Would Pokémon be better if it returned to 2D?
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no
gen 5 was trash
Gen 5 was terrible because it leaned into 3D too much and those shitty "breathing" sprites in battles were sickening.
why are zoomers so desperate to rewrite history? is it because they never got to experience pokemon at its best? bw mogs every other gen without even trying and goes back for more with bw2. nothing else in the series holds up to the quality of those games.
>why are zoomers so desperate to rewrite history?
Yeah, why are they?
>don't like shit game that came out in 2010
>y-you're the zoomer!
lol shut up, zoomie
you literally don't even count as human lmao
>why are zoomers so desperate to rewrite HIIISTORRRYYYY DUCKTALES WOO-OOO
>EVERYDAY THEY'RE OUT THEIR MAKING
>DUCKTALES
>WOO-OOO
fpbp
>some children had been unable to compeletthe games
Man he's just making up shit to justify his own evil. I fricking hate this guy
I can believe it. My wife ended up giving up on Platinum because she kept getting lost on Victory Road.
>why are zoomers so desperate to rewrite history?
I don't remember them getting that well received at release. And the comparatively low sales support me.
>low sales support
BW sold 15 million and B2W2 sold just as well as Platnoum despite the DS being on its death bed
imagine having 180 millions ds consoles out there AND the 3DS and still flopping lol. gen 5 was a mistake
boomer cope, the ds pokemon games were the only good ones with crystal being an honorable mention
You clearly have no idea how the market works. DS piracy and emulation were in a fairly good state by then too. If you're brining up poor attachment rates, then even Red and Blue flopped by your logic
A friend of mine keeps getting lost on victory road in Black so it is clear the bar for morons wasn't low enough at that point. Unfortunately as Pokemon grew, it was only inevitable that they were gonna dumb it down more for brainlets.
Funnily enough, "diversity" is the one thing I think they've done consistently well as they usually stick to the true demographics of the real world places their regions are based off of, Unova so far had the most blacks, which is consistent with NYC, if anything Kalos had less blacks than real life France, Alola is equal times assorted brown people and pink-skinned blonds just like Hawaii and Paldea is for the most part populated by short, swarthy, vaguely arabesque people just like Spain.
I never minded the blacks in Unova as it makes sense for the region. It's one of the few rare times I agree with the diversity meme. Also, some of the hottest girls in the franchise are from Unova. Elesa, Skyla, Hilda, Rosa, etc...
There's nothing wrong with having different cultures in games. The issue is SJWs using token characters to infect games as their political mouthpieces. Pokemon is a bad game as it's literally made for toddlers, but it's universal and anyone can play it while feeling included. The characters are relatively normal, so skin color is something you could care less about. In comparison think about someone mentioning their skin color every 5 seconds and how they are completely different from the other characters becuase of their unique experiences, then skin color becomes a predominent factor of a character's entire persona.
Sauce on the character on the right? Also what is this image implying?
>Sauce on the character on the right? Also what is this image implying?
It's from one of the King of Fighters. The original gif is used to shit on indie games and how unconventional they can sometimes look compared to AAA studios. When in reality the gif on the left is just some art by a random guy instead of being from a game. There are genuinely anons that go AAA > indie.
thanks for the insight. Man, I just realized the time I used to enjoy fighting games. KoF was it, now it's been years since I've actively enjoyed playing a fighting game. I'll likely never play one again, they are just so hard to get entertained by.
>some art by a random guy
>genuinely anons that go AAA>indie
Indie games can have good graphics, even if done by one person. Example: Stardrew Valley.
I don't care about AAA or Indie, I only care if the game is good.
>Indie games can have good graphics, even if done by one person. Example: Stardrew Valley.
Boy howdy you are NOT ready to learn how many morons on Ganker pretend stardew valley looks objectively bad
Okay how about Terraria? Maybe that's more up their ile
Terraria genuinely did look middling to bad overall, at least until they started to redo the worst sprites.
Even then a huge chunk of Ganker hates Terraria's sprites. Doesn't help that it's relentlessly shilled, SPECIFICALLY in comparison to Breath of the Wild, by one of Ganker's most notorious shitposters.
Honestly some of the Turner's designs weren't that bad. People give the guy way too much shit for gen 5
Turner is just the guy veeepeee blames when they see some design decision they don't like
He's done a good amount of designs that people generally like but Muh vanilluxe and Muh gaijin drown it out. During the SV news cycle a lot of veepee were blaming a bunch of designs like the Tandemaus line and Scovillian on him before we knew any of the artists.
Marlin is White though, he's just tan. Hence his sexy tan lines.
>Fine points on the left
>BLACKS AND COLORED PEOPLE ARE BAD! I SWEAR GUYS! on the right
Black and white was based on shartmerica
of course they need brown mutts in it
it explains the moron-proofed map and ugly foodmons too. frick shartnova
There's only 1 line of food mons, go stick a diglett dildo up your ass
Yes but just not how they handled it in gen 5
Yawngay thread. Report and hide.
No one knows or cares what that is. You’re more of a fool of whatever you’re trying to make that person appear to be.
>some of yawngay's favourite images
>it's a massive list of incomprehensible links which can't be pasted and would take fricking ages to type out
>....on an image
If only there was a better solution for displaying images on a larger image. Nope, better include all the links.
Yes
fixed
kek you can see the exact point they started getting lazy with gen 5
At the very least they animated the spriter. Nowadays they simply reuse assets and animations from gen 6.
gen 5 was animated and same hardware so it made sense.
I don’t know what to believe anymore, my life is a lie
I'm willing to cut them some slack on gen 4-5 and 6-7 since they're on the same hardware
But going from 3DS to switch and not changing anything is just unacceptable
Gen 5 was fine because it actually had them animated a bit.
I miss Pikachu's gen 3 hop. The "one foot up" pose was really iconic back then.
>2023
>still no good pokemon clone
Pogchamp tree
looks more like a blown-out butthole
DQ Monsters is decent
Cassette Beasts is good. You just have to get over the twee aesthetic
Aside from the troony agenda, then yeah, cassete beasts is good
No Pokeclone will ever feel as good to play as Touhou Puppet Dance Performance which is a damn shame. My only complaints gameplaywise stem from it being a Touhou fangame (ie bst not really mattering as a gameplay balancing mechanism other than in pvp).
Wait, it got a new update or what? Last I saw it it only got characters up to lolk
Thats a fanmod done by some westerners, its not that bad.
I think the original creator is on hiatus or something
TPDP is very unintuitive, even for people who are familiar with the base series. They took a few steps backwards from the romhacks which had a much better and consistent type system.
For example, in Pokemon, you can look at a Charmander and tell that it is easily a fire type because of its firey tail. In the Touhoumon romhacks, you can tell Cirno is an Ice type because she is an ice fairy, or Momiji is a Beast type because she is a wolf tengu. The romhacks use an alternate chart, which takes time to learn, but is fairly consistent.
TPDP takes this one step further. Use a fire move against Cirno, the Ice fairy? Frick you, its not very effective because Ice no longer exists and Cirno is a water type now. You also have a bunch of other abstract types to memorize like "Void" and "Warped", which you can't often tell a puppet's type based off appearance or familiarity with Touhou lore alone.
When a Touhou puppet evolves in the romhack, she usually retains her typing through most of her forms. Sometimes you have a typing change, but nothing too drastic, like Momiji who wields a sword going from Beast to Beast/Steel. In TPDP, almost every puppet has an alternate evolution that radically changes her typing like Toyohime going from Water/Earth to Nature/Light.
TPDP's map is pretty bad too. Especially in the early game, it has a major case of "Go from point A to B, fight everyone you cross eyes with along the way." There are a few moments where the map intentionally fricks with you, like giving you the bike, then making you walk through the entire SDM which is 10 times the size of the human village (can't bike indoors) or the moment in Hell where you follow Orin and she leads you back in a giant circle.
there can't be a good pokemon clone simply because of the fact Nintendo won the marketing race in the 80s early. You can make a superior clone but good luck making it popular with the kids and making toys worldwide.
>80s
90s actually, but your point is still valid
>You can make a superior clone
This has never happened.
we had one way back in 1998, zoomie
Absolutely based. This series is my crack cocaine.
As long as people like pic related exist Pokemon clones will never be popular
He's unironically correct. Games like Temtem are ultimately just budget Pokemon, you can lie to yourself but you will go back to Pokemon because you are still playing Pokemon, just a version of it without any of the iconic designs or with poor gameplay changes to try and fail to differentiate the game.
You have to genuinely make your game different. I think Palworld might not come out due to all the shit it's promising but at least it looks vastly differently from Pokemon and has an identity of its own. SMT and Dragon Quest Monsters are also turn based rpgs but they still play differently enough, look at this shit
that's literally Pokemon.
I'm sorry but if I'm playing Pokemon but with a shitty tumblr artstyle and designs that're trying to hard to capture what makes Pokemon's so popular while avoiding outright copyright infringement, then I'd rather just play Pokemon
And no, before you say anything, I've enjoyed plenty of other Monster Catchers, Digimon, Yo-Kai Watch, Jade Cocoon, Spectrobes, etc. It's just that this recent wave of shitty not-Pokemon indies isn't worth anyone's time, money, or effort
If only Digimon and Shin Megami Tensei could get more traction. Not cute enough, I guess.
That's not it.
Digimon can't get any traction because it lacks any consistency, the shows range from great (Adventure, Tamers) to meh (Savers, Appmon) to truly miserable (Xros Wars, Tri, 2020), the games jump all over the place with wildly different genres and the general tone of the franchise was never established so one day you have a cute little romp through the fantasy digital world and the next it's a macabre visual novel about people getting murdered, there's no pattern to follow and no reason why someone who liked the previous show, game or movie would think the next one will be just as good.
For SMT it's even simpler, it has no western appeal, too much demonic imagery.
Digimon being the way it is is the reason it's still alive, if it had followed the same path as Pokemon it'd just be Pokemon 2.0 without Nintendo behind it. I think two things played a role on Digimon's "failure":
1. It wasn't created as a game in the first place unlike Pokemon, so it couldn't do what Pokemon did with having a main series and spin-offs doing experimental shit.
2. Bandai making their own console. They should've partnered with Sony and made Digimon clash with Pokemon that way, maybe that would've helped them have a coherent vision on what they wanted for the franchise.
The current problem though is that Bamco doesn't invest enough on the games, Cyber Sleuth's success will go to waste if the next Story game isn't given enough resources.
Incorrect
Fossil Fighters 2 was peak. Then they had to make 3 moronic.
I think 3 got fricked because of some Chinese company and a half baked racing game already in the works
I enjoyed Coromon to be honest, for what it was. But it doesnt have enough content nor does it have enough Coromon. It needed a lot more but it was a good budget indie pokemon clone I enjoyed their take on the combat system to be honest.
they all frick up at least one of these things
>good monster designs
>balanced enough to play with your favorites instead of having a deliberate power creep of early game shitmons o endgame rape beasts
>monsters aren't disposable assets you're constantly fusing/breeding away so you can actually grow attached to a core team you slowly build up
smt and persona are better than pokemon
Coromon is the ONLY good Pokemon clone.
Xenomon is too cringe chuuni shit
Casette Beast is tumblr troony garbage, also very jank
Yes. 3D is evidently too much for Game Freak to handle.
>too much to handle
50,000,000 copies sold
Most successful gen of all time
Too much to handle my ass
Prease understand, it is a small teamof deveropers.
It's more like HD is too much for Game Freak to handle. The 3DS games were good from a technical standpoint.
Why are you guys still replying to Yawngay in 2023?
>Would Pokémon be better if it returned to 2D?
No.
Gamefreak doesn't have the talent to make good looking 2D. Just look how bad and soulless the games have looked since XY. It's all low effort.
Pokemon will not be good until the franchise sees a massive decline in sales that makes they put effort into development
Pokemon would be better if Game Freak was completely eradicated and a new development team was in charge. I'd put those buttholes at Tose in charge since they already have experience making monster taming games.
Sexo with the trainer fighting a Buneary
I don't think most people who are arguing in good faith think that gen 4/5 Pokémon is the peak of pixel art more that the games had way more of a coherent visual style back then compared to now where SWSH and SV look starkly different but incredibly boring at the same time.
the recent pokemon games visuals look like the licensed anime shovelware games of the early 2000s
>bad 2D mixed with bad 3D
>sprites that aren't even scaled consistently in battle
>coherent visual style
lol
lmao
>pic rel
looks worse
Yeah, this is part of it. Gen 6 and 7 I could stomach- they didn't use the camera smartly, especially during battle, but they looked at least competent. Even if some Pokemon were slaughtered, some were animated decently as well. The performance issues were absolutely abominable though, I don't think anyone with a functioning brain can defend that.
Gens 8 and 9 are downright jarring. The more fidelity Game Freak is given access to, the more their inability to make use of that visual fidelity becomes apparent.
>I don't think anyone with a functioning brain can defend that
I can defend it because the games actually look good, unlike gen 5 which has performance issues AND looks like shit
No, Pokemon has a laundry list of problems now and going back to 2D is unlikely to fix any of them to any meaningful degree. 3D is not the problem, but everything surrounding Gamefreak, TPC, and the Pokemon brand itself is.
I'm literally suffering from a sprained/sore anus just from shitting wrong for the past few days, please don't post this stuff anon. I'm just trying to past the time and enjoy the thread.
>Goldenrod in its true form as a disgusting gaudy japslop shithole
Based tbh.
Pokemon should be 400gb in size and contain full animations for every single Pokemon. And the Pokemon should fricking fight each other in real time and use strategies that you trained them to do in reaction to certain situations. We should be playing games that are fricking unbelievable with how much money they get
Not how capitalism works anon.
Make a surprise mega smash hit? Well, next time you get less money to make more money with the sequel. That way line goes up next quarter and we (the execs) all get bonuses :^).
what ive noticed is since the release of the iphone, a lot of companies even remotely related to tech have followed its business model. why waste time fine tuning one game when you know your business is going to release a successor in 18 months time? may as well hold some features back for the next game
Pokemon would be better if it was taken away from Gamefreak.
DON'T YOU FOOLS GET IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY DONT HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE IP. POKEMON HAS MADE THE FINANCIAL EQUIVALENT OF THE BRITISH MONARCHY. THE PROFITS OF GENERATIONS OF PLUNDERING AND COLONIZATION ARE COMPARABLE TO DRAWINGS OF MONSTERS IN YOUR LITTLE VIDEO GAME, PLUSHIES, AND CARDS. GAMEFREAK HAS NO REASON TO LISTEN TO YOUR MEWLING ABOUT THE ART STYLE OR THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR PRODUCT BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY AND YOU OR YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP YOURSELF AND OTHERS FROM DOING SO. THE SNAKE IS EATING IT'S OWN TAIL, BROTHERS. YOU ARE ALL GRASPING TO FALSE HOPE THAT SOME DAY THEY WILL WAKE UP AND REALISE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT FORTH EFFORT TO CREATE A GOOD PRODUCT BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN. STOP WITH THE CONSTANT THREADS, YOUR NOSTALGIA WON'T BRING THE LOVE BACK, YOU WON'T EVER CATCH MEWTWO FOR THE FIRST TIME AGAIN, YOU WON'T SHARE RUMORS THAT YOU CAN ENCOUNTER MEW IF YOU MOVE THE TRUCK, THE GRAPHICS WERE ALWAYS SHIT, THE GAMEPLAY HAS BEEN THE SAME THE ENTIRE TIME. NO NEW MECHANIC HAS CHANGED HOW THE GAME HAS BEEN PLAYED AT IT'S CORE UNLESS YOU COUNT THE DEAD RANGER SERIES. GAMEFREAK WILL NEVER CARE AND THEY BARELY DID TO BEGIN WITH, PLEASE POST GARDEVOIR AND BLAZIKIN PORN.
No king rules forever my son.
it would be better if mr john nintendo took his giant wiener and fricked Masuda in his anus until his butthole is left permanently gaped and shit just falls from his ass at all times where he is now forced to wear a diaper like a fricking moronic homosexual
Thanks for your smut fanfic but how does this improve the game?
Same energy as this gif.
There isnt even anything wrong with the left one. Its just a style that some really hate. I honestly like the thin one pixel arms. Just not a fan of the huge legs.
Right is a rotoscoped 3D model which lacks the touch ups and details that I would expect it to have.
Left is just trash
I would kill a child for a b***h like the one on the left
Minus her arms which look kinda weird to me for some reason idk
even the 2d games always took steps back for seemingly no reason. I don't know why people keep trying to avoid the obvious that gamefreak is just a shitty developer that got lucky and would have bankrupted 20 years ago if not for that
no
current gf can't do 2d anymore
Seems like AI should be able to do pixel art pretty easily
At the moment, AI makes worse pixel art than literally any human artist. That won't be the case for long, though.
>That won't be the case for long, though.
Yes it will.
These threads are just the same guy posting the same shit over and over again.
if by "same guy" you mean the same unovagay who keeps insisting his games are good, then yeah.
he's called yawngay and he was so desperate to believe that people hated kalos because of "the pokemon cycle" that seeing unova continue to rise in popularity without kalos following completely broke him.
Of course
the people who make these threads have never played pokemon before, hate the series, and organize raids on discord
mods let these threads up because they're paid to do nothing
Yes, unequivocally, with the caveat that it has to be pure 2D in the vein of gen 3. No gen 4/5 supplemental 3D, none of the pokemon animations at battle start either..
pokemon was never good you were just 8 years old
the world wide phenomena was awesome and youngins will never know that feel
They already do with PARPnite, Ganker just hates it because they didn't grow up with it
this, unironcially. the games are designed so you can never lose
Hell yeah. The 3D models, particularly for the older Pokemon, look so dull to me. They don't really have interesting animations, and the colors don't really stick out like they did before. One case that annoys me is Typhlosion. It looks so dumb without its fire mane activated. It makes sense that it would turn it off outside of battle, but the fact that it doesn't have that during battles outside of attack animations really bugs me.
I don't know if I'd say that it should have stayed with the 2D sprites, but I certainly prefer that over the dull 3D sprites.
For me it's how every flying Pokémon's model was absolutely fricked due to those pointless sky battles in gen 6. Apparently they've fixed some of them now but it was moronic how most flying types were in a flying position like 2ft off the ground
I want a more stylized 3D game, pic related.
That looks pretty cool.
Alternatively, pic related
Wild pokemon should be relatively rare if they're going to be in the overworld. You're not going to run into a new mammal/bird every 5 steps irl. It was like that due to hardware limitations.
>t. city slicker
Unironic soul. I miss watercolors so bad.
Jesus that looks fricking terrible. Absolutely forced tryhard nostalgia pandering LOOK AT MEEEEE garbage. I like the artstyle but for the love of god keep it 2d.
hahah this stupid homosexual bumped the thread!!! everyone laugh at him
It COULD be good, but their 2D art is trash, so fan stuff will always look better.
I am happy that companies like Inti Creates exists.
I largely agree but imo the pixel art seen in fan reinterpretations strikes me as overdesigned
Is there any way Nintendo can realistically fire Gamefreak and prevent them from making Pokemon games? Did Colosseum require Gamefreaks approval?
It's not that I love GameFreak's sprites, it's that I really hate GameFreak's 3D.
Also gen 5 looked like complete ass even back then. The animation of the battle sprites was absolute dogwater.
I like game freak's 3D circa stadium - battle revolution.
Or was that literally all HAL's work?
Correction. I hate their mainline 3D.
Gamefreak quite literally had nothing to do with Colosseum/BR/Pokemon XD. Thats why so many people want Gamefreak to be fired. Literally another dev could take up the Pokemon mantle and do it way better. Nintendo could hire one of their internal studios to do it and any one of them would mog Gamefreak tenfold. Monolith Soft Pokemon would be a billion dollar generating game quite literally.
>Monolithsoft Pokemon
For some reason I can imagine a lot of people being pissed off about this more than anything.
Like, everyone who's currently praising/defending Pokemon would either have to hate it or look like a fricking moronic brand wienerslurper. There's no two ways around it. You'd either have to try and defend your honor by saying "no, I actually DIDN'T want content, writing, or competent visuals, things were fine how they were" or realize gens 6-9 were absolute unmitigated trash.
That's pretty much it. The second a dev with any modicum of talent gets their hands on the main series the Pokemon fanbase is gonna absolutely shatter. Whether it leads to some actual standards in the current fanbase is hard to say, but it would be worth seeing the initial meltdown.
>good dev makes good Pokemon game
>it's not a fangame
>it's not in any way tiny, everything Game Freak did that they were praising is here
>the balance is better without nearly as many arbitrary removals
>the visuals are better
>the performance is better
>the writing is better
>there is literally zero excuse to dislike it... unless your loyalty to Game Freak is so great you're willing to come out and say you preferred when the games were shit
>at least 10% of the current Pokemon fanbase does just that and gets rightfully BTFO'd
God, I hope I live to see it.
The only way it's happening is after the old homosexuals at GF that were there since it's inception die and even then I wouldn't hold my breath. Oh, that homosexual Ishihara needs to die too.
Never going to happen. Masuda himself said that a quality pokemon would make people want higher standards for the next one. In laymans terms they'd reallise they'd been eating trash this whole time.
The series literally thrives off it's own mediocrity.
The sad thing is that this could easily be avoided if Gamefreak just hired more people. Just for comparison, GF is around 300 people with yearly releases. CoD games leapfrog between 3 companies to keep the yearly release while having a higher quality standard, with each of these companies being around 300. Honestly I don't even blame the devs, it's the higher ups who actively refuse to expand. Whoever made the N64 visuals probably has an impressive looking portfolio but he'll have little to no time to do better.
You have no problem not realizing Gen 5 is absolute unmitigated trash, so I don’t think they’ll have any issues.
>Gamefreak quite literally had nothing to do with Colosseum/BR/Pokemon XD
No wonder all three of those games were absolutely terrible.
>Or was that literally all HAL's work?
Yes, at least for Stadium 1 and 2. Genius Sonority copied the work HAL did then did the gen 3 Pokemon
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I feel like a modern pokemon game could look like the top images with half the budget of the 3d slop they currently make.
Gen 5 was the last good gen but it was the beginning of serious decline in art quality, and quality in general
What I love about people who shit on Past Gens like Gen 5 or Gen 2 is that they really don't have a defense for the shitty 3D models.
They just hate all Pokemon, it seems. There's no one who thinks Gen 6 or beyond is peak pokemon, just either the entire franchise is bad or it peaked Gen 5 or sometime before it.
It peaked at 2. 5 was the mark that the series will never be good again.
I think Arceus is the best pokemon game ever made fite me
Kind of yeah. They should implement some sort of multi player zones where players can inhabit to exclusively battle. Perhaps giving crazy perks to people who can transfer DS era pokemon to switch? Idk perhaps imbalanced but it can already be done so wtf. Idk, im just a lone 2DChad and no FRICK poke mmo shit is ass.