If Baldur's Gate 3 on the PS5 outsells Starfield on the Xbox will it be a massive failure and humiliation for Todd and Phil?
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If Baldur's Gate 3 on the PS5 outsells Starfield on the Xbox will it be a massive failure and humiliation for Todd and Phil?
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The child like mind of the snoytrannies
Some wild fantasies
Cute cope
Starfield will have 5 million players within a week, maybe even faster. Todd will not lose.
The first week maybe but the drop off will be huge
Singleplayer games always drop off hard after the first few weeks and everyone's finished no-lifing them.
And then mods will come out and it will stabilize into a fair sized population for a singleplayer game like most Bethesda games do.
This. Not sure why morons expect single player, story driven games to maintain their player base for years. This doesn't happen. Never has, never will. Not even Bethesda games do this, they usually lose over half their player base in a month and over 90% within a year.
This happened to Skyrim, Fallout 4, it will happen to Baldurs Gate 3 and it will happen to Starfield.
BG3 has multi-player however and way more story content than Starfield.
This is true, but it will still lose the majority of it's player base by the end of August.
If so there better be a noticeable drop-off in the next week because if people make it 40 hours in they're probably going for the full 100 hours and then rolling a new character after it.
Just in time for the PS5 release.
cant use mods for any other of bethesdas rpgs game pass versions, if starfield is the same then the drop off from game pass people who dont buy it will be pretty significant
Isn't that every game
If you don't mind, I collect all replies for the grand release date for Starfield and I really want your to be included, do you mind?
Microsoft are sending out Starfield to die. Released right after a genre defining game that is selling like mad. Not releasing it on PS5. Also day one game pass.
Just remember, Starfield hasn't been in steams top 5 sellers once and it's less than a month. Baldurs Gate 3 was top 1 or 2 position for a month before release.
It'll sell well, but it's not going to do Baldurs Gate 3 numbers purely because most people will play it on game pass for $1.
>Starfield hasn't been in steams top 5 sellers once
But that's not true at all. The frick kind of cope is this?
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W31/ - 20
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W30/ - 28
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W29/ - 39
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W28/ - 65
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W27/ - 57
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W26/ - 16
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W25/ - 8
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W24/ - 11 <== Starfield direct, game is on sale for the first time
>Steam
Yeah, you can quadruple those numbers if you want accuracy since most people will be either playing it on GamePass, or buying it from the Microsoft Store (since when you use the MS store, you can play it on both Xbox and PC for the same price).
This is like the homosexual MMO threads where people post steam numbers for FFXIV claiming only 2000 people are playing, when in reality everyone uses the game's own launcher.
>if you want accuracy
No you don't. Gamepass numbers are complete meme, and Microsoft store has 1/10 of steam's reach.
Imagine thinking more people will buy this game on Microsofts store than on Steam.
95% of the games sales will be on Steam, the other 5% split among whatever other platforms it is on. But most people will just get the $1 gamepass deal and play it that way.
Calling it now, it wont even top 4 million sales in it's first month. Which isn't bad but it's not going to be breaking any records.
I haven't bought a game from Steam since the day Microsoft announced the ability to buy a game on their store and be able to play it on both Xbox and PC.
Even though I play PC 90% of the time, one day I might want to play the game on console. Or I might be injured or sick and not be able to park at the desk. Or my nephews show up and want to game and they're sure as hell not touching my PC.
Not even trying to shill. MS shit (esp. GamePass) is just a good deal. I have no qualms supporting them. They're sure as hell doing more for consumers than Sony ever did.
You are literally a very, very small minority though. The vast majority of PC sales happen on Steam. Depending on what else it's available on, Steam usually accounts for 95-99.9% of PC sales.
>I
>https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W24/ - 11 <== Starfield direct, game is on sale for the first time
Starfield wasn't even able to be preordered for half of this week. This metric is moronic.
You're the one coping right now. I think the highest it has been is around 7th.
...its number 4 on my list idk what glue these dudes are sniffing
Your list is local to your country. Look at the global list next time.
My country is all that matters.
Global list is irrelevant its been consistently in top 5 since it was available in the US where its gonna sell overwhelming majority of its copies anyway.
massive bethesdrone cope
>All those sales from outside of America do not matter
>Only American money is even real, the rest of the world just uses pretend money that isn't worth anything anyway
This is a new level of cope.
>purely because most people will play it on game pass for $1.
Correct. Me and my friends will play it via gamepass, then torrent it in a year or so too mod the frick out of it.
Mods work on gamepass but not sciptextenders
Ah, I love anecdotal "evidence."
>Released right after a genre defining game that is selling like mad
You forget that BG3 changed its release date because it was scared of Starfield.
No, they changed the release date because it was ready to be released. Let's not make up cope stories right now.
You should instead spend your time thinking of a cope when Starfield is released and it's concurrent player count on Steam is half of BG3s.
You speak a lot of cope when the first thing out of your mouth was one. BG3 changed its release date to avoid Starfield. That's a fact.
didn't larian straight up said that they will release early because of starfield?
No. They said they're releasing it early so people have more time to play it. That is all.
Yeah, more time to play it because nobody would have had time to play it due to starfield.
>was ready to be released
>hotfix patch had to be released fixing 150 game breaking bugs
If you think 150 game breaking bugs is bad, just wait until Starfield is released. You aint seen shit.
>implying BG3 is anywhere near the scope of Starfield
The """scope""" of Starfield was already achieved by a homosexual INDIE STUDIO 7 years ago, and Starshit is looking like nothing more than a NMS rip down to the tacked-on planets to even the fricking kek-inducing ripoff of the crafting/extraction.
I love bg3 but yeah Larian definitely moved their release date for PC forward because Starfield and FFXVI where too competitive.
And their gamble paid off
. Game massively blew up and media can't shut the frick about it. Starflop wishes the same amount of attention this game is getting. And when starflop finally comes out, people will compare Todd's amazing quest, world and story design against BG3.
Scared? No. It's just a rational business decision to release your game in a way that it won't lose customers to direct competition.
pretty much this
and im not going to pay for Starfield too, and will play it after beating both BG3 and AC6. i don't feel any hype for some shitty Fallout 4 in space, im gonna try it, but my expectations are low
I'm pretty sure Scrotefield is built for GamePass sub inflation.
Hey So basically you're just gonna not play Starfield on PS5. I Know..... UGH I know... It's just that you're not gonna play it is all HAHAHAHAHRHAHAHA HARAHARHARH
Hey So basically you're just gonna not play Baldurs Gate 3 on Xbox. I Know..... UGH I know... It's just that you're not gonna play it is all HAHAHAHAHRHAHAHA HARAHARHARH
Imitation is the sincerest form of admitting you got buttblasted
and it's wrong too. should have said spiderman
>w-well what about xbox
>2023
Snoys are truly broken
Isn't this the part where you scream SNOY at me and say they're evil because they paid for Baldurs Gate 3 to not be on Xbox?
No, I just laugh because you're still fighting console wars in 2023. I bet you're called Carlos and have a tin roof.
I wouldn't be so sure of that…
>Also day one game pass.
Not buying this corporate slop then. Starfield and Bethesda can go frick themselves
>REEEEEEEE You can't make me play the same game for 1/70th the retail price REEEEEE corporate slooooooop REEEEEEEEEEEE
????????
but starfield is not even out yet
how can it be in top sellers?
Let's ignore the fact BG3 has been in beta for quite some time so surely people are more willing to preorder
>People got to play the game early and still wanted to buy it
Didn't they stop giving out demos for games because they mostly just harmed sales? Are Bethesda confident enough about Starfield that they'll give people a demo to play? (No)
Starfield is leaning on the epic launch hype with zoomer stars paid to play the game while having day one battlepass to milk people dry before they realize what kind of a buggy mess it is like most AAA garbage
Funny thing is, Baldurs Gate 3 is waking normies the frick up.
Baldurs Gate 3 is not only cheaper, but you're getting the entire game with a single purchase. Starfield is not only more expensive, but has preorder editions, preorder bonuses, paid head start, DLC, battle pass, gacha and more. You will literally have to pay hundreds of dollars over the years to get the full experience.
Baldurs Gate 3 is making normies realize AAA games are literally just corporate slop designed to milk them out of money. They can pay less for a longer, better experience.
>battle pass, gacha and more
Why make shit up? Kinda ruins whatever point you're trying to make.
>You can pay $69.99+ tip for a 10 hour long story in a janky ass, incomplete game that will come with 3 confirmed $29.99 DLC packs
>Or you can pay $59.99 for a 100+ hour long story with massive replayability and get the full experience at no additional cost
People are starting to wake up to AAA corposlop. Starfield will be a flop.
>Starfield will be a flop.
If everyone forgets about the value of BG3 in few weeks and flocks to consoom the next game the industry will never move forward. If on the other hand starfield doesnt sell that well and gets criticism for the dogshit they are trying to pull off the industry will look at this and we as gamers will get more value out of our games in the future. This is why I think starfield SHOULD flop for the betterment of literally everyone regardless of how you think of BG3
Todd will have no excuses for ES6 now.
He can become the God King of games if he makes BG3 in first person.
Starfield will be mid. It won't flop, but it won't be a massive success. It'll just be good enough.
you're going into deranged cope mode, take your meds
>Starfield is not only more expensive
Literally $1.
We're talking about sales though. Playing the game through game pass for $1 isn't a sale.
Baldurs Gate 3 has sold 10+ million now. To make that same profit with the $1 game pass deal, 600 million people would need to play Starfield. Somehow I do not think that is happening.
>We're talking about sales though. Playing the game through game pass for $1 isn't a sale.
The game is owned by Microsoft. It will NEVER leave GamePass. It's not like Yakuza or Persona where there's bound to be a time when it leaves/comes back the same way Netflix adds and removes stuff over time.
Starfield will be on GamePass forever. There is no reason to buy the base game initially. Later on, if you want DLC, you can buy the DLC and use it on the GamePass version without buying the main game. Starfield is basically free to Xbox players because no one has Xbox without GamePass.
And that is what we are saying. Starfield will not sell that well because of game pass. Microsoft however don't give a frick about sales because they don't need money. They just want as many people as possible using game pass and are willing to sacrifice games like Starfield for this to happen.
I've pre-ordered Starfield and doubt I'm the only one, I think you might be unpleasantly surprised if you think gamepass will stop people buying it that much
Starfield has consistently been lower than Baldurs Gate 3 on the steam global top seller list though. Highest it has been is 7th.
Baldurs Gate 3 hasn't left top 3 in over a month.
...that is because baldurs gate 3 is a released playable game for over 2 years, friend. many people have already beaten it a bunch of times in different permutations
No, it wasn't even the full game on early access and not many people played it then. Larian was only expecting 100,000 current players on Steam, not 800k, meaning it blew up recently.
>No
don't tell me "no" i just explained to you why you are wrong.
you people who think bg3 is somehow going to be bigger than a bethesda game are SMOKING CRACK.
once again, since you want to bravely state "no", DO YOU WANT TO PUT MONEY ON PLAYER NUMBERS?
WHY DOESN'T ANYONE WANT TO BET MONEY? YOU ARE ALL SO CERTAIN.
No. Baldurs Gate 3 was in early access, but only like 20% of the actual game was playable and before launch it hadn't been updated in about 8 months. It went from being like 70th in the top sellers, to in the top 3 consistently at around the start of July.
Which is impressive, because those sales it got 2 years ago do not count towards the global top sellers list now.
I don't care about Baldur's Gate 3, why bring it up?
They are both western RPGs releasing at around the same time. But are total opposite ends of the spectrum. One is turn based strategic combat with heavy story driven content and a lot of reactivity. The other is action based open world with more focus on exploration and freedom.
the young ones don't get that older users aren't interested in gamepass as a concept. they think it's the best thing since sliced bread, i mean, it has to sound really good to them
not a fan of "renting" though, and you can't mod gamepass games which are on microsoft's walled garden bullshit.
the game will have over 1 mil simultaneous users first weekend. Actually, over 1.25.
>Baldurs Gate 3 has sold 10+ million now. To make that same profit with the $1 game pass deal, 600 million people would need to play Starfield. Somehow I do not think that is happening.
You're thinking like a simpleton. The money for MS isn't in sales. Or even GamePass subs. The primary goal is getting people into the Microsoft ecosystem, which is worth more to them than game sales.
Besides that, piracy studies have proven than people who play shit for free end up buying it later fairly often. So day-1 or even year-1 sales might not be a burst, but it will add up over time.
You just can't make any comparison between BG3 and Starfield. The circumstances of each release are far too different.
But we can make comparisons and will. Baldurs Gate 3 has had over 800k concurrent players on Steam and topped 10 million sales on PC only.
When Starfield is released we will see how many concurrent players it has (but probably wont know sales figures because Microsoft).
>with zoomer stars paid to play the game
Nah. Streamers are going to play it regardless. They'd be moronic not to. It's the next big thing. They'd be leaving money on the table to ignore it. I'm sure Microsoft will be giving copies to top streamers. I have no doubt. But implying they wouldn't play it without a free copy is disingenuous.
Some of the managed contract streamers that work under a banner, like Hoe-girlve, will be exceptions since they don't get to decide what to play most of the time. But 99% of streamers are indie and can do whatever the frick they want.
Starfield is #1 in wishlists tho
>Released right after a genre defining game that is selling like mad.
>Genre defining
lolno. You're just re-hashing the buzz words you read in the review. It's nothing special
>selling like mad.
In the middle of a game draught. Not exactly something to brag about.
>In the middle of a game draught
Way to tell us all you don't play games. July, August and September are packed with game releases. Both AAA and smaller.
They HATED him for speaking the truth. Microsoft right now has zero faith in SF. Its going to bomb because it cost too much to make and still looks mediocre.
>Released right after a genre defining game
It really isn't genre defining, Mr. Zoom-Zoom. All they did is make a modern version of old-school CRPGs (when RPG still meant tabletop). The RPG genre is too wide anyway to have any genre defining game. Sub-genres matter a lot.
BG3 is not even in the same category as an RPG as Starfield and pretty much all other categories you would use to describe them are different.
Starfield is an adventure, action, rpg, sci-fi, fps/tps, open-world game in space. BG3 is a fantasy old-school RPG with party management.
>Starfield hasn't been in steams top 5 sellers once and it's less than a month
It's literally the 3rd best selling game on steam global sellers right now
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers
7th, which is the highest it has been.
which will climb with each day closer to release
Yeah sure it will. This close to release BG3 was top 1-2.
>Yeah sure it will. This close to release BG3 was top 1-2.
?
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GLOBAL top sellers. How new are you if you don't even know the Steam store by default shows you the top sellers relevant to you? (Usually based on your location)
That is global, idiot. You're just making shit up.
No it's not.
This website literally tracks the top position it was in the global sellers throughout the weeks.
https://steamdb.info/topsellers/2023W24/ #11
>Using some random unaffiliated website when Steam itself gives you the exact info
You really are desperate.
Steamdb just keeps a log of the information gathered from Valve.
Let me guess, it's proven accurate for everything else, but this one case right? Must be those SNOYS sabotaging the website to make Starfield appear lower on the list, right?
>it's proven accurate for everything else
source?
It literally just logs information gathered from the steam API. Show me evidence any information on the website is inaccurate.
Burden of proof is on you homie
Ok, I will look through the entire website and compare this to information given by Valve. If it all matches we'll agree it's accurate.
Just gimme a couple of years.
You've been in this thread for many hours ranting about Bethesda and sucking BG3's dick, I think you should take a break for your own well being.
Why the frick would it be highest today and not right when the presentation happened and the preorders went live.
My street fighter boys been crushing it lately.
No it's 3rd. I literally clicked global top sellers.
Screenshot it then. It's 7th.
moron
I'll give you a whole video instead. 2 minutes. Maybe you'll stop lying on the Internet.
Here you go. Global top sellers. 3rd best selling game. Are you still going to seeth?
Lariangays BTFO
Page must have updated within the last half an hour. Just refreshed and it's 4th now.
Baldurs Gate 3 is still higher though.
Let it go, you've been exposed as a liar twice in
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>I got caught lying on the Internet
>miraculously refreshing the page fixed it!
>a game which is already out and playable with hype around it is higher on the charts than a game which is an entire month away
Gee wiz
I cant believe a game that’s been released is higher than one that isn’t and can be rented for cheap
You need to use this website idiot https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers
Steam tailors the list based on the user viewing the list. If you're not logged out of Steam it's showing you a list suited to you.
Pic related is what my top sellers list looks like.
>2 free games
>a console
Still in 4th place.
Steams top seller list isn't based on sales. It's based on money generated. That means those two free games are making more money for Steam than Starfield. It also means Baldurs Gate is doing even better because it's $10 cheaper but still making more money than Starfield.
Cope harder.
Nope even if I press that link and then hide free to play games it still shows starfield as the 3rd best selling game
What? What drivel are you talking about.
>Genre defining
meds
>Starfield hasn't been in steams top 5 sellers once
it's #5 right now you mong
and even though I'm looking forward to starfield, I'm glad people remember TB's words of wisdom >don't preorder
Anon, there is simply no way that Baldur's Gate 3 will outsell Starfield.
I would be utterly astonished if that happened.
https://steamdb.info/stats/globaltopsellers/
dude
startfield is on goypass day 1
The board is being inundated by Tencent chinese farm shills to push BG3 so you are going to get a lot of bullshit about the game.
>ITS SHILLSSSS ITS ALL SHILSSSS IT CANT BE HAPPENING THIS GAME CANT BE POPULAR I AM GOTY I AM GOTY I AM GOTY
No, it is being inundated by the 10+ million people playing the game right now.
The only people who even talk about Starfield are paid Microsoft shills, and those threads get like 10 posts before dying.
For a game releasing in less than a month, no one is talking about it. Everyone has been talking about BG3 since the beginning of July.
Starfield will do well with normies, but will inevitably be a buggy, shallow mess as is typical of Bethesda games. It will sell well but not amazing.
Didn't they delay Starfield by almost a year because of Elden Ring? Imagine being so scared of losing GOTY to a small Japanese developer you delay your game by a fricking year.
Elden Ring came out in February 2022, Starfield was slated for November 2022. You're thinking of BOTW2 which was going to be a March 2022 release.
GOTY is announced in december. Starfield would have still lost to Elden Ring and they know it. So they delayed the game by a fricking year..
And now it's going to lose to Baldurs Gate 3. Maybe they'll delay the game by another year.
Developers aren't morons like Ganker. Avoiding a game is solely for sales reasons, not pointless awards.
Nintendo is the one who avoided starfield by delaying totk a year
They delayed it by a year because (in his delusion) Phil thought a Bethesda game could be polished on release if you just gave them more time.
The shooting looked better than of the first reveal at least. I wouldnt believe theyll be able to make that better
What is this new fantasy you've invented in your head? They delayed Starfield because of Elden Ring? LOL
The lengths of cope stargays reach for…
Dude, Starfield is going to mop the floor with bald gay 3. It's not even a contest.
The sales will be low on Xbox because 99% of people will get it with game pass you dumb frick.
Are we genuinely going to get hundreds of threads going "lolololol only 1,000,000 sales on Xbox GOLDFACE!" Jesus wept
Yes.
Yes we will.
The sales will be low on PC because it is also on PC game pass, and you can get that for $1.
It wont be a flop, but it wont sell nearly as well as it could have because a lot of people are just going to use game pass to play it. But Microsoft don't give a frick, they just want more people on game pass even if it means halving the sales of a game.
Yes.
The only people who talk about sales here are people who don't understand them. It's like women talking politics.
No one who owns a PS5 gives a shit about a WRPG, let alone one like Baldur's Gate. Goes the same for Xbox, too.
>Best selling pre-ordered game on PSN (in the US)
Going up against what?
>Stellar sales
By what metric?
Where are the actual numbers?
>By what metric?
Raw player numbers.
And what are those numbers you fricking monkey-brained dick-slurper
Are you fricking stupid?
Smash your head against a coral reef.
>toddtroon boiling
heh
Fifa, Madden, MK1, NBA, AC6, Spider-Man 2, CP2077 Phantom Liberty, COD. I just checked every regional store page and it's #1 and #2 everywhere and only losing to the latest Fifa game.
>beating both Madden and MK
CRPG chads we are so fricking back
>79.99
>99.99
>109.99
Do snoys really?
Why are snoys so salty about Starfield? I thought they have all those great games to play.
Seriously. Why do snoys rally behind 2 games that will be on Xbox (AC6 and BG3) and not FFXVI and Spider-Man 2?
He has to think of a bold advertising plan. A planet of jerking off bears is what the people want methinks.
Starfield is primed to ravage every last Snoy, Tendie and Bear fricking degenerate in T minus...
Is it bad that I'm more excited for all the mods that will undoubtedly be created than the game itself if Skyrim and Fallout 4 were anything to go by?
Nobody will cares about Bear Sex Gate 3 in 1 month time.
Feeling good man.
he's too short
>Baldur's Gate 3 on the PS5
Why the hell would you play CRPGs with a controller?
It looks gorgeous on a big TV, and you can play it splitscreen with your buddy/gf/dad/sibling.
ELDER SCROLLS 6 WILL BE GAME OF THE CENTURY
TODD BLESS
Starfield is day one on Gamepass, no one is going to buy it on Xbox
And it's PC sales will be much lower than expected.
People will cope and say it's day one game pass which is where everyone played it. Or they'll say it doesn't need to sell well because Microsoft money. Or they'll make up some story to try and justify how it's sales will be low.
>The virgin please buy us we suck
>The chad nah were good on our own
really inspires more confidence in a company
God I wish that were my penis he was holding
I have zero sympathy for Todd, he sold out to the devil, never trust Microsoft
if Todd hadn't tipped off MS about Sony trying to moneyhat Starfield it would be PS5 exclusive with extra gimped mods if any at all. that would have been terrible
perhaps, but then again it wouldn’t have had to run on Series S, I’d have taken the Snoy deal instead of compromising the whole game just like Baldurs Gate 3 is fricked on Xbox
Bethesda games have never run well on playstation, I'd take the Series S any day.
The game looks better than it did a year ago. If Bethesda took the deal the game would've been released 2 years ago and probably been another Fallout 4 or worse 76 mess.
>If Bethesda took the deal the game would've been released 2 years ago and probably been another Fallout 4 or worse 76 mess
>thinking it would take Snoys involvement for this to not just be another FO4/76 shitfest
some grade A copium your huffing their friendo, hope Todd pulls through for you
Forspoken.
Bethesdatroons already making excuses why their POS game won't sell
Love to see it
>If Baldur's Gate 3 on the PS5 outsells Starfield on the Xbox
isn’t this a 100% guaranteed thing though? I thought Starfield was free Day One on Xbox, who the frick is buying it on console LMAO. on PC sure it will sell, but they are quite literally giving it away on Xbox with a subscription fee, Todd and other big Bethesda suits must be absolutely fricking raging lol, imagine spending decades planning their space game only to have be the monthly slop…wow
quite literally the smart mans play is to watch the suckers who pay for early access and get it on Gamepass play for a while before purchasing, imagine ponying up for the latest fricking Bethesda slop, I’ll wait a few months till the mods have started rolling in
He'd be playing Baldur's Gate 3 himself.
Starshit is a Bethesda game, you pirate EVERY Bethesda game without fault?? It's the piracy game only usable for modding. Every single one of their titles are dogshit buggy messes filled with unfinished content.
Dude, have you even taken a peek into the Starshit /vg/ general? It's filled with thirsty homosexuals BEGGING for an update or any fricking news for Starshit and are getting nothing or seething about BG3. The only thing that was given recently as news was a pittance talking about fighting some animal outside of Not-Whiterun. A month before BG3 was when Bear Sex obliterated the internet.
>It's filled with thirsty homosexuals BEGGING for an update or any fricking news
This is how Bethesda does PR. Previous games have been the same way. They severely limit information available pre-release so hype hits the maximum right as the game hits the shelves.
I don't know if you guys remember, but CyberPunk was releasing content like 3 years before the game came out which led to endless amounts of bad press and complaints (pre-release, mind you. this was before the bugfest even became known). And the hype train itself blew its load a long time before pre-orders even opened up. Bethesda does the opposite, and CP2077 is a great example of why.
>CP2077
>the hype train blew its load early
You're completely moronic, one of the main issue with that game was the out-of-control hype and completely unrealistic expectations going unchallenged until release day.
So snoys really are just latching on fotm niche rpgs to cope with that all they have is onionman 2 this year?
>the third thread today anti-Starfield, this time done by BG3 trannies
why so much seething losers?
Why don't you make a Starfield threat then?
Oh wait, you've been trying for weeks and nobody even gives a frick about the game.
It’s not even made by BG3 trannies. These people were probably giving BG3 the same treatment before release. They live for being miserable on the internet desperately hoping for the next TORtanic like Baptists waiting for the rapture. They don’t play video games.
They're not BG3 troons, those guys are busy playing the game. It's snoys trying to create a fake rivalry because Starfield will never be on Playstation
The cope and delusion itt is astounding. Look, CRPGgays, we get that you are all excited that your nerdcore game is doing well but please calm down. You'd have to be insanely stupid to think it will outsell Starfield, either on PC or on consoles.
D&D's colorful fantasy characters and sex are more normie than NASA inspired shit.
>You'd have to be insanely stupid to think it will outsell Starfield, either on PC or on consoles.
>on PC
sure, Starfield will be yuge on PC
>on consoles
ummm, sweaty, its console not ‘consoles’, this is an Xbox exclusive, and its free on Gamepass. they are getting nowhere near BG3 equivalent sales on PS5 LOL
Bg is absolutely guaranteed to out sell starfield on console simply by virtue as no one outside mexico owns a xbox while the whole world owns a playstation.
mind if i screencap your post so when inevitably starfield flops,you will be humilliated?
>BG3 on the PS5
I would rather stick my dick in a fire ant's nest than play that game with a controler.
sonybros are becoming increasingly deranged, remember a couple of weeks ago when they were promising that Sony were going to buy Square Enix and Sega?
more like Xbots are losing their damn minds. for GOTY contender Tendies have ToTK, Snoys have BG3 because its essentially a timed exclusive and Xbox are now desperately hoping and coping that Todd delivered a game to rival both of these….if Starfeld is less than a 10/10 it is quite literally over, I mean that unironically, this board will shit and piss itself
>BG3
>exclusive
>the PS5 has so few games snoys now have to invent pretend-exclusives
BG3 is not releasing on Xbawks, though.
it will eventually, but the PS5 will get it first so you can brag about that if you want
That's because it's a game for trannies. Sony were the first to guarantee it comes out on PS5 because their fanbase can't get enough of troony sex.
>snoys having to rely on luck and random chance to get worthwhile exclusives
>snoys having to rely on luck and random chance to get worthwhile exclusives
random chance? luck? more like Phil Spencer cucking lil Toddy with the Series S but also inadvertently fricking over the port of BG3 in the process, LMAO, maybe if Xbox didn’t try to cater to all audiences and just made a console instead of making one weak as shit
ladies please, this desperation isn't a good look
>PS5 literally getting free timed execlusive deals without even trying to
>this is somehow desperation
Eh. Not really that. We're only 3 years into this gen and the series S is starting to hold back games from xbox due to Performance issues. In 2 years we'll either start to see a constant dely of 3rd party games from xbox or microsoft just betraying the 10 million series S users and telling them to wait while the series x gets the games.
>the series S is starting to hold back games
>meanwhile, games on the PS5:
>the Xbox Defense Force recruit reaches into his ‘Snoy deflection’ picture folder
absolutely pathetic, even more so than the fact they pay you in Gamepass subs
>the snoy cries out in pain as he strikes you
its kinda pathetic for sony bros to shill BG3 so hard, they have no games this year other than spider-man
>they have no games this year other than these two
Who tf cares about spiderman bro. Its a game for ten year olds. No one here is going to play spiderman, why even bring it up? This is a bg starfield thread.
whats that projected frame rate for Starfield on the ‘worlds most powerful console’ again?
30fps is just the marketing. In reality people saw alot of lagging and frame drops under 30 in game footage.
That's not even an Xbox thing. PlayStation said the same shit about this gen. Talking about 4k gaming at 60fps. No one actually believed that. The only way either system can come close to that is by neutering all the graphics options, and even then most can't break 1440p.
>topic about Starfield and BG3
>has to reach to other games to support his corporate overlords
you don’t have to do this anon, Phil won’t notice you
Don't worry guys, I'm not a shill. I agree with you that the Series S and PS5 are holding games back.
>the series S is starting to hold back games
This is a blatant lie from developers that don't want to optimize their shit or they just want to make excuses. These are the same games that people play on PC. I'll remind you that the average PC gamer has a PC that's weaker than the Series S. Not to mention SteamDeck and Switch.
This talking point about the Series S holding anything back is pure bullshit.
But developers have confirmed the Series S is holding back games. If developers are saying it, then I'm inclined to believe them over some random person on Ganker.
And no, you cannot just "optimize" everything. Optimization has limits otherwise they wouldn't have needed to release any console past the NES. It doesn't matter what magic you work, the NES cannot run a modern AAA game. Just like there are certain games the Series S simply cannot run regardless of how optimized they are.
>But developers have confirmed
Which ones? Who do they work for? Go find names. Because no respectable developer has ever mentioned it. The only ones ever mentioned by name are no-name indieshits. You've never heard Rockstar or SE or anyone else talk about Series S holding games back. 99% of articles just say "developers" and don't even say who.
Larian?
but due to Microsofts incompetence and hubris at pushing the Series S, BG3 is indeed a Sony console exclusive, probably for at least 6 months. feel free to correct me if I’m wrong
>console exclusive
Literally doesn't matter to anyone but snoys, non subhumans will be done with the game before it even releases on PS5
You're not wrong King. Sony got a timed execlusive deal without even paying for it. Based series S killing xbox.
>snoys thinking getting a PC game (where 90% of sales will be) on the PS5 for a few months before it releases on Xbox is a big win
getting sad now, you can do better than this
Nobody said that, those were bait posts to draw in xbot insults for yous.
Unfortunately Starfield will cash in on a dudebro auditory physically incapable of playing turn based game.
Dudebros refuse to let turn-based homosexuals hold the medium back with their spreadsheet gameplay.
Obviously it's going to outsell starfield on ps5 because it's free on xbox via gamepass. One copy sold on ps5 is still more than 0 on xbox.
Starfield RPG aspect will look like dogshit next to BG3.
Only hope is Todd learns lessons about player choice for Elder Scrolls 6
It will. I’m looking forward to having a good laugh at bethesdas expense.
>Baldurs Gate 3
>selling for $70 on PSN
>Starfeld
>selling for $0 on Gameass
so, can someone tell me how this dick measure contest is going to work? it appears one game is being sold as a product and the other is being offered as the latest slop free-of-charge on the Netflix of Vidya
The dick measuring contest for Lariangays is sales numbers and peak concurrent player count - BG3 is a successful product.
The dick measuring contest for Toddgays is total player counts and overall longevity - Starfield will be a successful cultural icon.
>Starfield will be a successful cultural icon.
This is some prime cope. Starfield will be forgotten faster than Fallout 4. At best, it'll influence the mechanics in TES6.
Fallout 4 is still going strong 8 years later.
It's really not. By this point Skyrim had tons and tons of mods, script extenders, overhauls and even an entire game made using it. People are even using Skyrim to remake Morrowind and Oblivion.
The biggest Fallout 4 mod is basically to remove settlement build limits and I think another adds minor survival elements. It has no remakes, overhauls or game changing mods though.
People honestly stopped giving any fricks about Fallout 4 a long time ago. It's just not very memorable.
Fallout 4 is less popular than Skyrim but it's still a very popular game that lots of people are still playing, learn to understand context
More people still play Skyrim than play Fallout 4.
Cause Skyrim was game of the decade, #8 best selling game of all time. The fact that Fallout 4 is only currently lagging behind by 4k players (14k Fallout vs 18k Skyrim) after 8 years shows that it's got good staying power. The only other singleplayer rpg to do the same is Witcher 3.
>People honestly stopped giving any fricks about Fallout 4 a long time ago. It's just not very memorable.
Fallout 76 is responsible for this, though. There's no reason to play Fallout 4 when Fallout 76 is out with constant content updates. It's a new world in the FO4 engine, complete with mods. It had a rough start, but when I played it 2 years ago it was fricking kino. I'd recommend it to anyone.
Played it recently, it's really fricking bad. Having everything perfectly level scaled to you is moronic, especially when you consider 90% of builds just are not viable at all (basically only stealth automatic bloody weapons are actually viable, everything else is straight up bad). It also cannot be modded and it's full of shit designed to nickel and dime you. Like the extremely limited storage and everything weighing a fricking ton, but if you buy a sub fee you get infinite scrap storage and your normal storage is increased.
>It also cannot be modded
FO76 can most definitely be modded.
Yeah but not with anything meaningful. Fallout 4 at least had mods to remove settlement build limits. Is that even possible in Fallout 76?
Only mods I've seen for Fallout 76 were graphical and mostly just changed the appearance of a weapon or piece of armor.
Did Fallout 76 always look this bad, or did you mod it to look like New Vegas?
>total player counts and overall longevity
BG3 wins both easily.
You'd be lucky to make a single choice at the end of Starfield that's as impactful as any in the first two hours of Baldur's Gate. And it will be basic shit like "BETRAY LE FACTION?" or "HELP LE DAD?" compared to slitting the throat of your companion after having sex with them.
>BG3 wins both easily.
Not really, Bethesda games have, really, really long lifespans. Baldur's Gate 3 will probably have some logevity too but I doubt many people will be playing it in a decade.
Have you played it? It makes Witcher 3 look like a linear on rails game. Normies will set the story to Easy mode and play it for the cutscenes and branching paths for years, hardcore gamers will minmax and play the mods.
>Have you played it?
Yes I've played it. I estimate that less than 20% of players will finish the main story, I don't see many normies tolerating the slow combat and obnoxious characters for several playthroughs, only a small number of people into CRPGs will do it.
>tolerating the slow combat
That's why they'll play on easy difficulty
it's still too slow for people who don't like turn based combat (90% of the people who bought BG3)
I think Larian said the PS5 UI will be different from the controller UI on PC, it could use some improvements.
>less than 20% finish the main story
So, according to trophies, just like every game ever.
>Modded Bethesda games have, really, really long lifespans
ftfy
And Bethesda has been making modding worse over the years. Fallout 4's modding scene is a fraction of Skyrim's, all while Bethesda is doing all they can to monetize the scene.
A few loud autists who never move on because of coomer mods isn’t really longevity, it just looks like that around here. Nobody talks about old bethesda games except the shutins who can’t play newer games anyway.
I actually wonder if BG 3 raised the bar too high for rpgs that it might hurt starfield perception now among critics and audience. I can already see the articles comparing the rpg elements in starfield to BG 3 and how lacking it's.
I wish that slop consoomers would at least demand better than garbage monetization (battle passes, micro transactions etc)
Yeah Baldur's gate unironicly killed starfield launch.
I actually wonder how scared are they of a buggy launch. They've gotten away with broken shit at launch for a long time, but fo76 got pretty shitty scores, and the many broken releases as of late has made people more critical of buggy shit, so a bugfest would likely dock a lot of points
That's why Phil pushed for delays and threw Microsoft's QA team at the game. For once we're going to see what a properly completed Bethesda game looks like.
DOS:2 has half the players Fallout 4 currently does so it definitely won't win on longevity. Further, getting the game on gamepass means that Starfield is going to be in the hands of way more players, furthering its cultural impact.
DOS2 doesn't have high budget cutscenes or a console friendly 3rd person camera.
>compared to slitting the throat of your companion after having sex with them.
why are BG3 such psychopaths?
>choices in BG3
a yeah, go left or right, kill the camp or defend it, kill your companion or let it live, so many choices. BG3 should play more games, oh wait , they don't, just spam it on /v and they go in BG3 and larp as a woman
>overall longevity
>BG3 wins easily.
You are an absolute crackhead.
Better go get started funding modders to actually make the game's content for you.
The day of games being ‘cultural icons’ is dead. Starfield will not have breadth of popularity or legs like skyrim, least of all because its drab scifi.
For sure, it just can't compare to Skyrim on popular appeal. However, it's still going to be a cultural icon in its own spheres.
It's going to be the king of space games for the next decade, easily.
>It's going to be the king of space games for the next decade, easily.
it doesn’t even have fricking interplanetary fricking landing and fricking takeoff, you click on a landing site homie, No Mans FRICKING Sky even has that shit, LMAO
And yet Starfield will still being king of space games. The lesser games will have their cope but they won't be able to compare on anything meaningful.
> cultural icon in its own spheres
Thats not how cultural icons work.
Sure it is. The best fighting games in the world fall behind normalgay games like COD, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, etc - even normified "fighting games" like smash bros do better - but they're still the top of their niche and have an impact on what the rest of the genre does. They're a cultural icon within their sphere.
Baldur's Gate 3 walked so Elder Scrolls 6 could fly.
which game is free on Gamepass again? must be real confident in it to be giving it away, guess they can recover the cost with the season pass and spacehorse DLC
It already is, because of the S
BG3 sold impressively well but there's no way it's going to beat a mainline Bethesda title.
Starfield isn't a mainline Bethesda franchise.
Todd's too rich to actually care
As long as he can tell lies and steal your money, that's all he needs
There are more black NPCs in the Starfield trailer than there are in the first 40 hours of Baldur's Gate
I haven't reached the big city yet though
And? What is the problem with that?
How bad are the refunds going to be when all those sn0ytards realize bg3 isn't like witcher 3 or skyrim?
nice try Xbot, last time I checked Div OS1+2 and the original Baldurs Gates were all on PSN, has this console exclusivity got your pay masters shook? surely Starfield is a 10/10 and nothing less, right?
snoys if you want to play Starfield get a PC or Xbox, you don't have to act so tsundere towards it
Xjeet, if you don’t want to play Starfield at 30fps and play BG3 before 2025 just buy a PC kneegrow
Hit a nerve huh?
>the absolute seethe
he got you
starfield is going to be huge and it is the only game I'm looking forward to
zoom zooms lapped up bg 3 because muh bear sex and the ability to frick anything and anyone, literally the biggest selling point of the game.
After one play through it will be forgotten, player numbers are already dropping hard.
Starfield will be kept alive with modders and expansions for years, this is an undeniable truth.
The only people seething about it are snoys and anons with 'gaming pcs' running ryzen 5 3600 tier cpus and 10 series Nvidia cards.
cope, this will unironically be the best game ever made
Good for you if you are excited but everything you said was wrong
>Yet another ashtray collector simulator
>Best game ever
>Because space
I’m just really not seeing it. Oh but the mods, yes the mods. Mhh hmm. Shit game on life support thanks to mods. A real success story.
collecting things is fun, like pokemon
>The only people seething about it are snoys and anons with 'gaming pcs' running ryzen 5 3600 tier cpus and 10 series Nvidia cards.
A PC with a 3600 and a RTX 1080 is unironically stronger than the PS5/XSX lmao.
>i-it's not as if I actually want you play you, baka!
>nobody talks about old Bethesda games
Holy cope, the approaching release is driving seethe and denial to critical levels
I see you coward. You think the skyrim threads here mean anything? Get a grip. Nobody who’s seen the sun in the last decade even remembers what a skyrim is. They think its another sex position in bg3, probably from a werehawk or harpie.
I'm playing Skyrim right now, it's fun
I am interested to see how it goes. From normie people like Kinda Funny, they hate the gameplay but love everything else about the game. I think that might be a fair sentiment for many people, but Starfield is a basic ass shooter so if they somehow nail the other parts it might beat BG3 for RPG of the year. Like BG3's dialog scenes aren't the best in class or even Witcher 3 tier, but they are easily above anything Bethesda has ever done. Starfield going back to stationary "stare into their soul" dialog where everyone doesn't move and it looks lifeless is kinda annoying.
Like in BG3, I see my co-op friend doing shit in the background and it makes the scene feel alive
who the frick plays games for the dialogue?
The people who play games in this genre?
storygays do not represent us RPGchads, they are filth
Why play these games specifically and not like Destiny, Borderlands if you want basic shooter but with loot? The world, the quests, the people etc not mattering so just go down and shoot stuff.
I bet BG3 on ps5 will SELL more than Starfield on Xbox. Because barely anyone will BUY Starfield, they’ll get it on gamepass.
>reduced to gamepass extra
Todd will cry
Microsoft wont release sales figures for Starfield but will release "player figures" and count it as a huge success because a lot of people got game pass for $1 to play it.
Yes, but, once they will complete the game they will cancel their subscription, surely that in itself can't be a "win" for the company, right?
Microsoft will still claim it as a success.
Yes, but I can also claim that BG was a flop, that in itself doesn't mean anything, to claim a success there has to be a success, what you end up with is let's say 100.000 players who spent $1 to play Starfield, that's $100.000 or even less considering that they will have to share that with Bethesda, am I getting this right? So you end up with somewhere around.. $80.000 in total compared to actual sales which if compare against Steam sales, let's say the same amount bought the game, that amounts to $4.200.000 after the Steam cut, so if $80.000 is a success compared to 4 million dollars, Microsoft doesn't have their priorities straight. And even then, MS themselves claimed that estimated PS5 sales would have been around 10 million copies, that is a lot of money to leave out just like that for some bitter rivalry. By fighting Sony, Microsoft harms itself and the companies that they own.
>Console war is a social construct my ass
Microsoft will claim something silly like over 20 million people played Starfield at launch. Which is impressive, but what Microsoft wont mention is that 90% of those people were playing it through game pass and a lot of those paid $1 for it.
Microsoft wont release sales figures and will just keep making outrageous claims about player count because they don't care about this game, just about what it can do for game pass.
Can companies technically make false claims about this? Let's say that every person who once pre-ordered the game, but then cancelled it, can they technically claim it as it was someone who played the game, even though he didn't.
Yes, there is no legal requirement to tell the truth about these kind of things.
If it ever goes on game pass it sure as frick won't be day 1. It probably won't be until it's near end of life and they've milked everyone for as much DLC as possible already and want to squeeze the last holdouts for that DLC cash too.
Starfield is already confirmed Day 1 on Gamepass, bro.
That's hella dumb
why is it dumb, it lets us play the game for free
Because most people would probably pay the $80 to have Todd rub his big meaty game all over their face. Giving it away free is guaranteed lost sales.
maybe it's dumb for bethesda but that's not our problem, whatever is good for consumers is good for me
What do sales matter? It's all about getting Todd's magnum opus into as many hands as possible. He managed to convince Microsoft to eat the cost for him, that magnificent liar.
things like starfield were always going to be on gamepass, that is the point of it.
services like this that give you old $15 games are perceived as having zero value by users.
>Todd's magnum opus
Todd’s? sorry sweaty, Starfield now belongs to Phil Spencer, Todd was ‘acquired’
when will Phil go on a diet? he's so fat and gross now
Is that Phil's child next to him on the stage? Good for the little fella.
>it lets us play the game for free
>not supporting Todd financially
yep, Todd deserves this to flop hard, laying down with filthy SlopPass welfare queens
Starfield is on gamepass day 1 fren, available for all
but it is on Gamepass Day One? thats why its such a laughing stock, its quite literally the monthly slop just like Scorn and Halo Infinite…I feel so fricking bad for Todd
Release was delayed because Phil Spencer wanted it completely ready and polished day 1, unlike cybershit, nms etc. Beth had another year to refine and fix shit. This is Phil's gift to players. I know snoys are used to paying full price for absolute dogshit like ff16 but releasing the base game day 1 on game pass is a good thing for MS, Beth and game pass users both on Xbox and PC.
cry more snoys, Todd and phil are saving gaming. The rage from snoys when you see just how good it is will be hilarious
Redfall was delayed too, anon. It guarantees nothing
The whole of Redfall confuses me. It doesn't seem to have gotten much focus from Microsoft's teams yet they delayed it anyway only to send it out to die in an unfinished state. They knew they had a bad game, some devs reportedly even asked Microsoft to just cancel the whole thing. Did they think whatever paltry amount it got on release would be worth the reputation hit? Was there some other delusional developer on the team that got in Phil's ear and swore up and down that it would be a sleeper hit? Just downright peculiar.
I feel like everyone in power of cancelling it was thinking "not my problem", it's really baffling. To make matters worse it was their first $70 release to make it look even more like a shameless cashgrab.
The weird thing about redfall to is that its not reduced, even in the sales it was still full price. Stuff like cyberpunk and fallout 76 that had a bad launch get reduced all the time,b ut for some reason they still think redfall is worth full price. YOu would think if a game does so badly on launvh they would knock a bit off to try and recoup some losses.
Sorry considering they wanted to push it as a multiplayer game and multiplayer games need a playerbase
Better to push it out and make back some money no matter how little, I guess.
They are owned by Microsoft, why wouldn't they put a flagship title on their premier service that they want people to subscribe to?
Did you say the same shit about Halo?
>Halo
>Flagship
Not anymore
>rpg of the year
top kek who gives a frick
starfield is going to be game of the decade
>snoys are so desperate they're adopting BG3 as "their" game
sad
todd is so handsome. he'll win goty for sure.
he looks like Frodo Baggins
I'm sorry miyazaki but your super niche mech kusoge doesn't stand a chance. better luck next year.
I'm serious Todd looks like a goddamn hobbit and I don't understand this board's weird obsession with him
He's got maxed out charisma and perfect game sense
how old are you? seriously? todd was huge inspiration for countless memes. I felt bad when he recently said he won't be making many more games because they take so much time. tes6 might be his last one.
creatives always say this, he will do the same work until 75+.
who knows but I doubt it. even kojima won't last much longer after ds2. these big several hundred million dollars projects take a lot of your mental and physical health.
False. every similar creator in art, film, writing, animation etc follows the same trajectory. every single one says they will stop and then works until they die
being rich and in control of other people does not take anything out of you. working hard with your body takes things out of you. calibrate your non working person expectations. it is simply 1000x harder to really work
>every single one says they will stop and then works until they die
sure in a way a lot of creators are gonna create until they die or burn out (phil fish) or become a sellout (notch), but in AAA space you're only one flop away from getting kicked in the butt and thrown into irrelevancy. will cliffyB ever get another chance at big budget project? probably not.
>he won't be making many more games
God I wish
Bethesda develops shitty RPGs so it would be well deserved.
sci-fi games are harder to nail than regular fantasy
it will flop
>shut versus shit
Nah I'm good, find something else to bicker over
IM ONLY HUMAN AFTER ALL
DONT PUT THE BEAR IN ME
I love Space
I love Bethesda games
I am looking forward to Starfield
snoys I hope you take care of Ganker and make good quality threads while we are off exploring the universe
>snoys are now counting a multiplat game as a win for the ps5
>one that's already out on PC and won't be on PS5 for a month
Can they stoop any lower?
Isn't Starfield a multi platform game?
Starfield is a multiplat since it's on PC and Xbox, but ever since it was revealed that it wasn't coming to PS5 snoys have been treating it as an Xbox exclusive due to sour grapes.
Compare this to BG3 which is already out on PC, and coming out on PS5 next month, and xbox as well eventually
But if Starfield was to come out on PS, it would still end up being compared to BG, right? These are some of the most anticipated games that happen to share a genre in a way.
Possibly, but you're ignoring the fact that the OP of this thread is worded SPECIFICALLY as an Xbox vs PS5 hypothetical.
I think that we should leave consoles out of it, because they by themselves are just the hardware and focus on the thing that matter, the games.
>I think that we should leave consoles out of it
exactly what Phil believes
1.) GamePass. Sales numbers will be abysmal because Starfield is a Day-1 release on GamePass. For both PC and Xbox. Which leaves PS5 as the only platform where people are required to buy it.
2.) Not like PS5 users have anything else to play.
>Sales numbers will be abysmal
want to bet money? i'm very serious
you guys keep saying this but nobody wants to bet money, that's really strange. aren't you sure of what you said?
>want to bet money? i'm very serious
Yeah, I would. And I say that as someone that bought the $99 premium version of Starfield a month ago. There's no way more than 25% of people that play it are going to buy it instead of using GamePass.
Mind you, that's fine. That is Microsoft's goal. To expand their ecosystem, not sell copies. They'll get their money back with MTX and DLC over the next decade, which isn't covered by GamePass.
>Yeah, I would.
ok what's your over/under? are we going by steam players or what?
I says it beats BG3's first weekend with its first weekend, by at least 25% max players. that's right over 1 mil simultaneous
you stopped talking? you were serious though? you don't wanna bet money?
This. Also you know people here are going to be posting Steam charts about Starfield even though everyone is playing it on GamePass. The same way they post Steam numbers about FFXIV when 95% of FFXIV players don't use Steam because FFXIV has its own launcher. You can see this coming a mile away. Screencap this.
Todd still has another six editions of Skyrim to sell you before caring about Starfield sales.
Not even Phil Spencer gives a shit about Xbox anymore, Snoy. Your war is over.
>Starfeld making them seethe
>BG3 making them seethe
Bethesda has too much away in the industry for AA developers to take their rpg crown when they've been hyping this game for years. Whether bg3 deserves it over starfield or not, I don't see it happening unless starfield happens to get goty and there's too much competition this year to assume that
If you played either of these games you really need to frick off.
I think the big problem people will see really early on when comparing them is the dialog. The zoomed in on face, really static scenes have not aged well in past games and they do not look good in Starfield. When the character models done in BG3 look better than Starfield, something went wrong
nobody plays Bethesda games for the dialogue or facial animations, you're idiots trapped in your own bubbles and unable to understand the appeal of different types of games
>plays
Its still a shit ton of the game though. Getting quests, finding out extra info to learn side paths, codes, where to find X or secondary ways to complete quests. No one launches a brand new Bethesda game and skips all the dialog with spacebar
>uhhh I totally do
Kind of nuts. Bethesda hires more people than Larian, has a massive budget and is backed by fricking Microsoft, but somehow made an objectively uglier game.
I know Bethesda have never actually made a good looking game and their animations have always been laughable, but it's kind of obvious people are starting to realise Bethesda just isn't all that anymore.
Larian has more employees than Bethesda
That is wrong. Larian has 400 and Bethesda 1149.
Larian only started with 100 employees AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BETA, and throughout the development of the game had over 400+ developers and branched into 4 continents due to people buying the game and funding them.
Bethesda is a AAA studio with massive funding and has Microsoft money, NO EXCUSE.
I don't want Starfield to be like Baldur's Gate 3, I don't care about sophisticated facial animations or bear sex
That is fine. But why do Bethesda insist on making the characters the center of your screen during dialog if they're going to half ass their faces and facial animations?
God, that makes bethesda sound more shit than ever after all their past success.
Bethesda had 100 employees when Starfield's development began and merged with three other studios due to Zenimax shenanigans. It still has a couple dozen less employees, especially since some parts of the studio are focused on mobile gaming and Fallout 76.
This is false again.
Bethesda Game Studios has at least 420 employees as of 2021. But these are just one division of Bethesda Softworks, which currently employs 1149 people.
Bethesda Game Studio had over 100 people working on Skyrim, and have increased in size since then.
>Bethesda Game Studios has at least 420 employees as of 2021
And Larian has 450, so I'm right.
Bethesda hires 1149 people though.
How is 450 more than 1149??
Bethesda Softworks isn't a development studio, moron.
>NO EXCUSE.
how much money do you want to bet on player numbers? I keep hearing talking but i don't see betting
are any 18+ here?
>umm ackshully Bethesda Austin isn't BGS so it doesn't count but all these other Larian studios do count
You don't know how many people are working on Starfield, and I imagine with 76s skeleton crew updates BGS Austin is working on Starfield too
this is meaningless. nobody who plays the games cares about it. the same presentation is fine
it's like you try as hard as you can not to acknowledge that people want bethesda games just as they are. and they are several of the top selling games of all time
you're a "pattern recognizer" right, i bet you call yourself that. lol
>If Baldur's Gate 3 on the PS5 outsells Starfield on the Xbox will it be a massive failure and humiliation for Todd and Phil?
nope, 2 different kind of gamers
Todd is like the Nolan of games, people will buy it anyway
I'm not reading a single word you said you mass replying Black person
hey look he finally stopped reddit spacing lol
I literally don't know what reddit spacing even means. Maybe someone who uses reddit like you can explain it to me?
I'm kind of amazed how a moronic fricking word like reddit spacing gained traction at all, but because it has reddit attached to it for some morons they think it makes them win/shut down conversations, they just use it nonchalantly and without knowing why.
it's usually a sign of low quality posts from outsiders, shills and newbies
in this case the reddit spacer is pretty much an admitted sony shill
Reddit spacing tends to be associated with low quality posts. Same with people that never capitalize their posts, it's just something I've noticed
Do we even know if the ">400" employee count for BGS doesn't include the other studios like Austin and Dallas? I've always felt like that's where all that expansion has come from. Seems like the main Maryland has grown but not by that much.
The number comes from a video talking about Bethesda joining Microsoft.
>On behalf of the over 420 developers across all our studios in Montreal, Austin, Dallas, and Rockville...
So yea the growth clearly came from Zenimax merging them into one entity.
>bethesda game
>flopping
Lay off the HRT pills, sissies
Every bethesda game has sold a gorillion copies since 2002
Yeah man, Red Fall sold billions.
Bethesda Game Studios, moron
Redwall was developed by Arkane
Arkane is a division of Bethesda.
It's a subsidiary of ZeniMax Media. Bethesda Softworks, its publisher, is also a subsidiary of ZeniMax. You could say they're siblings at best.
Arkane is a division of Bethesda Softworks. When you play Red Fall the Bethesda logo appears.
bethsoft isn't the same as BGS, moron.
So you will admit the Russian team that works for Larian is not actually Larian studios then and do not count towards Larians total employee count?
dunno how that's relevant, but I don't know enough about Larian to make a call. Bethsoft is a publisher, not a games studio btw
What Russian team? Their website says they have Canadian, Belgian, Irish, English, Spanish, and Malaysian offices.
They use to have a Russian team. Guess they fired them all since the war in Ukraine and all that happened.
Yes, Bethesda Softworks publishes Arkane's games, that's why the logo appears. Arkane is still not a division of Bethesda Softworks, they're connected through their mutual parent company ZeniMax.
>Sci-fi vs fantasy
>Shooter vs crpg
They appeal to different niches even if they're both WRPGs, it'll be fine.
Not a single normalgay knows what bg3 even is. Only terminally online trannies care.
Regular joes know about starfield though
Anecdotal, but my normie friends who love Skyrim and Fallout weren't even aware Starfield existed let alone that it was a Bethesda game until I told them about it
Anecdotal too, but I've noticed there isn't much discussion about Starfield anywhere.
It's trailer has low views on Youtube (Armored Core 6 got more in a few days). I'm not getting recommended shit about it on Youtube or any other website I visit. Threads about it die on Ganker after like 10-20 replies. It's barely been in the Steam top sellers since it was purchasable on Steam.
Crazy how far Bethesda have fallen. Guess that is what happens when you spend a decade rereleasing the same game instead of making the sequel people want.
>360 replies
>91 unique IP
lmao at shazamtrannies
Todd Howard objectively created the best RPGs of our time. BG3 will be forgotten in a year.
No because Sci-Fi is a far bigger nerd genre than fantasy is, unless you're Star Wars of course. Naturally Starfield isn't going to appeal to as many people
I haven't seen people play Starfield. Not even Ganker. I saw a few threads back then about fishing and cooking?
Dragon dildos are exactly what Starfield needs to pull in the bear-fricker audience that loves BG3.
Thankfully for Todd though, he doesn't even need to put that shit in there because someone else will mod it in either way... still, might hurt the console attraction.
People are really delusional if you think Todd will fail. I don’t think you realize how starved people are for the classic open-world RPG experience that only Todd can deliver.
I wonder why people care so much.
Honestly I keep forgetting that Starfield even exists. Bethesda hasn't been on my radar for years now because I don't have goldfish memory, and I haven't forgiven them for Fallout 76.
Sadly, most of Ganker were too young to remember the release of Fallout 76.
It's gonna be amusing to see everyone shocked and surprised once more that a Bethesda game releases in a broken and unplayable mess, again.
Didn't you hear. Starfield is perfect, Phil had it delayed by a year so they could fix all the bugs. It will definitely for real this time be 100% bug free.
True!
I have good expectations about this one, they actually had a QA team.
The same QA team that worked on Red Fall? Or Halo Infinite? Or the many other Microsoft games that were buggy, half baked messes at release?
No one anywhere worked on Redfall
Bethesda have never released a game that wasn't a broken, buggy mess at launch that took years to fix. And Microsoft have a history of not knowing what makes a game good or what players even want and have on many occasions allowed complete messes to be released.
I am not hopeful for Starfield.
Skyrim and Fallout 4 were perfectly playable at launch and the narrative that you need fan patches is bogus.
Infinite was completely playable at launch. The issues came with updates, which is irrelevant given 343 is a completely different team.
Now how about Forspoken, TLOU1, or Ratchet & Clank?
Outright lie. Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 4 worked well on launch.
>I am not hopeful for Starfield.
I can see why, you can't even play it.
Halo Infinite was also one huge turd. And all the past Elder Scrolls games had massive, game breaking bugs at launch. As did Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4.
I'm old enough to remember the releases of all of these games.
Morrowind had a massive amount of crashes and tons of graphical glitches. One particularly funny glitch was some sort of rounding error with carrying weight. The more you played the less accurate it became until you could randomly gain or lose hundreds of carrying capacity. Some people reported having negative carrying capacity while others had hundreds extra.
Oblivion has the obligatory crashes and a lot of weird graphical glitches. But it had bad navmesh issues and NPCs would often get stuck inside of walls and be inaccessible which made interacting with them impossible, it also had seemingly random FPS drops to single digits.
Fallout 3 had many of the same bugs as Oblivion since they were made using the same engine and Bethesda never fixed any of the bugs in Oblivion.
Skyrim had crashes and problems with only using 4GB. It also had a lot of broken quests and where certain things just didn't happen and you'd have to use the console to fix them. Including the main story.
Fallout 4 likewise had crashes and graphical issues. It also had a lot of issues with quests not working properly and again, without consoles you could get hard locked out of even the main story. (I personally remember the part where you talk to Nick and Piper just not working, the NPCs were always busy and since you couldn't ever interact with them progressing the story was impossible)
But tell me Bethesda release games in a fine state. I fricking dare you. I still have my original copy of Morrowind on disk. Don't make me try reinstall it just to show you how bad it was.
Skyrim also had problems with it's navmesh and really bad FPS drops. There was that one Forsaken cap with a spider stuck in a tent and if you got close enough for it to load in, the game would go crazy trying to calculate a route for the spider out of the tent but it couldn't. So even on the best PCs of the time (and on consoles) your FPS would literally drop to 1 and the game would probably crash.
Skyrim had several areas like this at launch. Literally entire areas of the game world were inaccessible because of NPCs being unable to calculate pathing routes.
>Literally entire areas of the game world were inaccessible because of NPCs being unable to calculate pathing routes.
Surely since it was played by so many people on release there would be some evidence of this right? Can you show where this was happening and was such a big issue?
No, he can't. Bugs in Bethesda games are far and few between.
Skyrim’s NPCs cheat and teleport if they’re needed for a quest so I doubt it’s an issue with the nav meshes.
http://www.gamesas.com/big-framerate-problems-when-close-dead-crone-rock-t194728.html
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/615803-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/61098725
Two different posts stating the same issue of a spider in a tent causing the FPS to tank and the game to crash. As well as many other people confirming it to be an issue.
That's one place. What about those other big ones you mentioned? Entire areas of the game world being inaccessible?
No. It is two areas. Dead Crone Rock and Hags Rock Redoubt. And yes, this is literally making an entire area inaccessible.
But this bug could happen in any area where an enemy was set to spawn in a tent and the levelled scaling made that enemy too big to get out of the tent (spider was just the most common one).
>Well ok it didn't actually happen anywhere else
>But it could have!!!
So much for "literally entire areas of the game world"
Could also happen in Snap Leg Cave. Another area that essentially became inaccessible. I'm sure if you google you could find even more locations it could happen, but that is 3 just off the top of my head.
Not sure why you're trying to deny this wasn't an issue. Multiple people reporting it in multiple locations on multiple platforms. Literal single digit FPS and an almost guaranteed crash if you go to certain areas in the game. What more do you need exactly?
It wasn't an issue for me, therefore it wasn't important. Maybe those guys need to stop playing on playstation.
It wasn't an issue for you because you were like 3 when Skyrim was released and didn't get to play it until long after the bug was fixed.
>random assumption
Cope with your shitstation
I presented all the evidence needed to confirm there was a game breaking bug in Skyrim at launch. Your counter is "well I never saw it so it doesn't exist".
How about you shut the frick up?
>I presented all the evidence needed
Anecdotal evidence, it's as weak as you are and thus immediately dismissed.
>It's not evidence because I say it's not
So you're just admitting you'll never be satisfied? Do you want me to go and interview everyone who has ever played the game or something? The bug is so common it's even included on the Skyrim wikis.
I think I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this infact was a bug in Skyrim at release and was game breaking. When your Starfield is unplayable and crashes every 5 minutes, don't come complaining to Ganker would you? It's just anecdotal and Starfield works on my machine.
>beyond a reasonable doubt
With anecdotal evidence? Lmao that's not how it works.
>Witness statements from multiple people all corroborating the same thing are anecdotal
I don't think you know what the word "anecdotal" means. I'll play Starfield on game pass for $1, and with the $69 I save by not buying it, I'll buy you a dictionary.
>Posts on a forum are witness statements
You're punching way above your weight class, kid. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Everyone's laughing.
Cry about it, sonygay
Oh, now I get it. More paid Microshills. Yes Bethesda is great and perfect, Starfield will be game of the year, decade, century and eternity. All hail microsoft. All hail phil.
God, sonygays are pathetic.
>Everyone I don't like is a FRICKING SNOY
Mentally deranged or paid my Microsoft to post here? Can't decide.
>It recoils when confronted, "I've been found out!"
cry more sonyboy
>How about you shut the frick up?
I was a pretty chad 3 year old, playing Skyrim at launch and not having any issues.
Go ahead. Reinstall it, homosexual. Bethesda games have historically worked well.
There was nothing wrong technically with halo infinite. It ran like a dream on mid level PCs and xbox series consoles I think up to 120 fps too. The problems that game had wasn't with gameplay or performance but with content. It was barebones and lacked features which were standard with 6th and 7th gen halos like split screen and forge.
Redfall is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Microsoft let arkane do their thing instead of cancelling the game. Turned out the game was shit and people are saying it should have been cancelled. But if they cancelled it everyone would be saying Microsoft are evil for cancelling a game. It's hopefully the last of the baggage that game with zenimax that started pre acquisition.
Why are the Sony fanboys in this thread so butthurt about starfield? I thought they all had RTX 4090s or similar to be able to play xbox games like they've been claiming for years now
Even a 4090 wont run Starfield with a consistent FPS. People here actually think it will run at 30fps on Xbox.
It wasn’t the case for the gay station releases but that was Sony’s fault for making a bad console
Bethesda games run better on PC because they games tend to have cpu bottlenecks.
snoys are deranged, very vindictive, don't handle competition well
homies went through a lot to get that PS5.
todd would have to add gay alien bear sex to save starfield
with jet packs
Its funny how Bethesda games went from the biggest shit ever to getting absolutely dogpiled by better games now. Skyrim was once the biggest thing ever
now:
>Gets BTFO'D by the Witcher 3
>BOTW raises the bar of open world games
>Elden Ring becomes the new standards for open world RPGs
>BG3 raises the RPG standards even more right before Starfield releases
>Nobody is interested in Starfield as todds innovations are just adding more bloat to his skyrim reskin
Todd is finished after this
Two more weeks until Bethesda collapses
When the camera zoomed in on the NPC's face just like Oblivion I knew it was all over.
That's when I knew SOUL was back on the menu.
>snoys claiming bg3 as their game because of a slight delay in the xbox release
>just so they can have a goty competitor to rival nintendo's totk and xbox's starfield
the absolute state
none of them will even play BG3, snoys don't like CRPGs, it's driven purely out of resentment because they don't get Starfield on PS5
Starfield is literally confirmed to be an embarrassing Flop. No one serious considers it a GOTY.
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In Skyrim on launch if you looked around at the right angle you could guarantee a crash, it happened basically every 30 minutes when playing. The carriage actually could never complete as it would bug out and it took like a week for it to be fixed. The main quest was glitched and no one could actually finish it without console commands.
lies
I bought Skyrim at launch and don't remember this, personally I completed the main quest with no issues, never used console commands
Got a free premium copy with my AMD CPU
Get to play it 5 days early and shit
>Mentally deranged or paid my Microsoft to post here? Can't decide.
>this thread
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Can Indians even afford a PC good enough to play Starfield? Doesn't it require a fricking SSD to even run?
Probably, at least it will send Bethesda into panic mode to shit out ES6 faster but I feel like its just gonna suffer as a result
sonysisters our response???
?
The guy he's responding to is a developer for BG3.
He's calling a dev for BG3 a fricking xbot.
I see, what a homosexual
>still manages to win by default
the best move is to do nothing as MS continues to fail
It's worked for over 20 years. Why would Sony change now?
Because no one likes PS5 and their exclusives.
No because he is already being paid.
Who cares Baldur's Gate 3 sucks and so does Starfield, god RPG kiddies are annoying little shit go watch porn or something to get your rocks off
Do you get to Baldur's Gate very often? What am I saying of course you don't.
Starfield removed Ukrainian cosmonauts.
Larian HAD TO MOVE dates in order to not compete with Bethesda, not the other way around. Even they know that they can't compete with Todd's magnum opus. The game sold around 1 million copies on PC, it will sell even less on PS5. Meanwhile Starfield will sell 1 million on Xbox alone and 5 million overall in its first month minimum.
Baldurs Gate 3 has sold over 10 million in less than a week. The frick you smoking?
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