Steam isn't bette, shovelware and furrys games are everywhere in steam. Itch.io at lest has people who tried to make a game, steam fee of $100 is not something you just give up.
Not many. It was pretty crappy tbf. I had fun making it though, and the process of "finishing" it for itch and an /agdg/ demo day was really useful.
Going beyond the editor and building for a prod deployment, having menus and pausing and a score system, getting sound in, and even getting some playtesting feedback were all things I'd never done before when tinkering with other prototypes.
I come from an era where amateur indie games where free. I can't stand indies let alone pay for them, they're all effortless and or without variety in gameplay, they all just bore me after 15 minutes simply because i grew up playing AAA games that are simply better due to more budget.
Indie games aren't hard, they are just inconsistent and poorly designed and you're just getting used to literal garbage while thinking it's difficulty.
Without a second thought, however when I think "indie games" I think of the ones I have on steam. Itch is fine as a platform but I usually go to itch for the kind of stuff I would play on school computers back in the 2000s, not legitimate, full fledged, full length experiences.
>when I think "indie games" I think of the ones I have on steam.
Indies on steam are not different from the one on itch.io, in fact usually these also get released on both. Itch.io or steam they are still the same indies. I don't understand what you mean by saying "only on steam" because the concept is the same.
What I mean is a lot of indie games on itch.io are lower in quality compared to the ones in steam. Sure, there's crossover, hell, there's even games you can only get on itchio that are really fun, like Snap The Sentinel, First Cut, Anodyne Fan Remake, the original Hypnagogia, etc. and it's also a nice place to get certain porn games, but itch has a worse tagging system than steam so you're completely inundated with youtuber bait horror games when trying to search for other genres. For example, I want to search "Atmospheric" and "Adventure" but exclude other tags like "Horror" and "NSFW" so I can find stuff like Summer in Mara or Kinoko, so my general impression of itchio is less of a legitimate site to get games from, and more of a modern day equivalent of a flash game website, where you'll find gems but also lots of shovelware. Steam also has shovelware, but has better filtering options for shovelware.
The difference between itch.io and steam is that in order to put a game on steam you have to pay a fee while on itch.io is completely free.
This doesn't mean the quality of an indie game on steam is different from the ones on itch.io.
Sure usually indies on steam are more prone to be of a little bit more effort but even steam has complete garbage and it's just less because there's a paywall.
>Sure usually indies on steam are more prone to be of a little bit more effort but even steam has complete garbage and it's just less because there's a paywall.
Like I said, there's shovelware on steam too, the problem isn't just the shovelware, it's the bad tagging system itchio has. You can't exclude tags easily, only include them.
But tags don't decide the quality of a game anyway.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They don't on their own, but between being able to filter out and filter in tags, especially being able to hide the horror tag since it's 90% youtube bait, and being able to hide individual games the way I can click the "Ignore" button on steam, would really help with decluttering the store for me and help me chip my way towards the quality games that are on itch.
9 months ago
Anonymous
But this way you would miss the good horror games or literally any other genre you decide to filter.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but I might not always be in the mood for horror games, sometimes I want to play cozy light hearted stuff like irori and A Short Hike. And being able to hide individual games would help me get to the good games in any genre.
It's a basic tagging system I'm asking for dude, steam has include and exclude, even websites literally dedicated to porn like f95zone have include and exclude, I'd like to just see some QoL and cleanup options on my end is all so I can quickly zero in on a specific mood I want from a game. If you force certain shit upon me I'm not going to be happy to see it in that moment, thus I want to be able to exclude it, at least temporarily.
Once again, I reiterate, I simply want to be able to exclude/include tags and hide/unhide individual games. I don't care in the moment that there's "good horror games", your average shit on itch.io looks like babby's first slenderman and I just want to be rid of it. Also, these are BASIC ass shopping features, even IRL. When I go into a store that has every kind of product, I can go straight to a "section" of the store that has what I'm looking for, like the video game section of a best buy, or the food area of a wal mart. Why can't I go to a "section" of itch.io while shopping around?
I know itchio can have some stinkers on it but holy fricking shit I hope you are not seriously implying the AAA industry has any advantage other than graphical fidelity and a marketing budget. I'll take someone accidentally making a bad game over someone intentionally putting malicious design into their game the way someone like blizzard or ubisoft does any day.
Not only Indie games games have lower effort graphics but they just lack contents, an indie game has just one or two gimmick that very slowly spread through all the game giving you the illusion of variety but in reality they are very repetitive. Quality of a videogame shouldn't be just what you see but also the quality of what you're playing and the gameplay variety that gives you to keep you interested for longer.
Being a gamer is knowing that one must play both good AND bad games to have a reasonably calibrated bar for quality. No, reading reviews and watching youtube videos about it doesn't count.
Being a gamer also means being capable of understanding what makes videogame good also as a product beyond the simple surface level.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>has just one or two gimmick that very slowly spread through all the game giving you the illusion of variety but in reality they are very repetitive.
but enough about AAA games
9 months ago
Anonymous
AAA games usually give you other than visual variety, from various detailed scenery and cutscenes, they also gives you variety in gameplay, giving you different types if gameplay spread trough the entire game that changes the mood. You don't get this in indies. With indie games you can play the first 30 minutes and you've basically seen everything.
9 months ago
Anonymous
ah, it's an ESL. I almost argued with this thing
9 months ago
Anonymous
>from various detailed scenery and cutscenes
I don't care, I want gameplay I enjoy, also cutscenes are a drawback not a boon >giving you different types if gameplay spread trough the entire game that changes the mood
No, it gives you a checklist of like 12 mission types to do over and over and over and over again in different locations, which isn't a problem unto itself, indie games do this too, the problem is you're pretending AAA games don't do it. Not a single fricking AAA game I've played post-2017 stacks up to something I've played recently like, say, CrossCode, Deadeye Deepfake Simulacrum, or Trepang2 for me for example.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't care, I want gameplay I enjoy
Frick off with this meme phrase, you're basically playing indie games that gives you gameplay over anything else because they can't afford cutscenes but the gameplay is just repetitive levels over levels that gets progressives more moronic exactly like in 1980 and even those have better gameplay than uninspired indies of today.
>No, it gives you a checklist of like 12 mission types to do over and over and over and over again
I don't know what AAA games you play but maybe you're referring to open world videogames like GTA or far cry.
While yeah they give you checklist, because videogames are basically checklist to do every single time, there's no videogame that doesn't give you a checklist.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You wanna know what gave me "visual variety, from various detailed scenery", where I "can play the first 30 minutes and you've basically seen everything."? Destiny.
Destiny is the worst fricking game I ever played. It's not just an AAA game, it's like THE quintessential AAA game, it's "varied" in that it has a little bit of every kind of the problems a majority of AAA games have right now. I will take indie games over Destiny any day.
It's not a meme to hate AAA games, you frickers actively, continually abuse the trust of people every time you release a game in a rushed state with bugs that make it unplayable, grind that can be skipped with microtransactions, false promises that either fail to materialize entirely or require a several year long roadmap to fulfill and by that time people move on, include Denuvo DRM which gets in between me and the game I purchased while causing performance issues, and abuse your employees behind the scenes, then you have the gall to gaslight the frick out of your players on social media about all the problems in your game, either downplaying them or pretending they don't exist to begin with, and we literally have to REVIEW BOMB you to get you to notice how much these things piss people off collectively because you ban anyone on your official forums who criticize you and the only way we can get the message through to you that we hate what you do to your games is to make a public spectacle out of it.
The average indie game I play does not do anything approaching this shit to me, and it usually costs 20-40 bucks giving me something I can actually enjoy from start to finish.
In any case, go frick yourself. Enjoy your last (You) from me. Don't bother replying to me, I'm not interested in what you have to say.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're getting confused with games as a services, i was actually talking about videogames that have a set length from A to B without trying to be 10+ years loot boxes selling machines. That's completely different types of games.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>implying indie devs have the budget to do games as a service >implying that AAA games that are set length from A to B are any better (just look at the shitshow that was TLOU Part II)
you're moronic
9 months ago
Anonymous
>just look at the shitshow that was TLOU Part II
The problem i have with TLOU part 2 is that it's a creatively bankrupt game that despite having very good writing it sold purely on the momentum of zombie apocalypse when it was a very popular and trending theme thanks to TV series like the walking dead and lean more towards a film audience.
That's the only complain i have but as a videogame stand point you have to admit that it's stunning, a technician masterpiece. I want videogames like tlou but i want them to be more videogames than movies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>AAA games >visual variety >variety in gameplay
lol, lmao even
9 months ago
Anonymous
this pic is moronic once you realize that theres multiplayer games mixed into this.
Being a gamer is knowing that one must play both good AND bad games to have a reasonably calibrated bar for quality. No, reading reviews and watching youtube videos about it doesn't count.
90% of the games I played every year are indies. The other 9% is Japanese. This year's 1% turned out to Baldur's Gate 3 because people wouldn't shut up about it.
I already do. The only AAA game I played the last decade was Days Gone because I got tricked into thinking that it would be a badass game by the looks of it.
Last year they gave a frickton of games for a minimum of 10€ for ukraine, Anyway, for little and cute games i recommend Caloreload, Tankgal and fairysong. Red trees, lavender and kaima for rpgmaker games. The Telwynium looks cool as frick but i never even started it
Do nintendo games count as AAA? Because if not those i never played AAA, at most after years on an emulator, most of them give me motion sickness anyway
Not when most indie games are crap like most of the games hosted at Itch.io.
Steam isn't bette, shovelware and furrys games are everywhere in steam. Itch.io at lest has people who tried to make a game, steam fee of $100 is not something you just give up.
It would be super easy, barely an inconvenience
How many people have played YOUR crappy games?
I've only uploaded games made for game jams, but I think this is pretty decent.
it's been out for a year. I should probably make another one
Not many. It was pretty crappy tbf. I had fun making it though, and the process of "finishing" it for itch and an /agdg/ demo day was really useful.
Going beyond the editor and building for a prod deployment, having menus and pausing and a score system, getting sound in, and even getting some playtesting feedback were all things I'd never done before when tinkering with other prototypes.
I only have one unfinished game from years ago that I posted in /agdg/ demo days.
I got 4000 downloads on a game that has topped a couple tags for 3 years
Without a doubt
already do that
I come from an era where amateur indie games where free. I can't stand indies let alone pay for them, they're all effortless and or without variety in gameplay, they all just bore me after 15 minutes simply because i grew up playing AAA games that are simply better due to more budget.
So what are the controls? Play and pause?
Indie games aren't hard, they are just inconsistent and poorly designed and you're just getting used to literal garbage while thinking it's difficulty.
what a raw, visceral cope
Sorry that you haven't been able to identify when a game dev actually cares about making a game
Without a second thought, however when I think "indie games" I think of the ones I have on steam. Itch is fine as a platform but I usually go to itch for the kind of stuff I would play on school computers back in the 2000s, not legitimate, full fledged, full length experiences.
>when I think "indie games" I think of the ones I have on steam.
Indies on steam are not different from the one on itch.io, in fact usually these also get released on both. Itch.io or steam they are still the same indies. I don't understand what you mean by saying "only on steam" because the concept is the same.
What I mean is a lot of indie games on itch.io are lower in quality compared to the ones in steam. Sure, there's crossover, hell, there's even games you can only get on itchio that are really fun, like Snap The Sentinel, First Cut, Anodyne Fan Remake, the original Hypnagogia, etc. and it's also a nice place to get certain porn games, but itch has a worse tagging system than steam so you're completely inundated with youtuber bait horror games when trying to search for other genres. For example, I want to search "Atmospheric" and "Adventure" but exclude other tags like "Horror" and "NSFW" so I can find stuff like Summer in Mara or Kinoko, so my general impression of itchio is less of a legitimate site to get games from, and more of a modern day equivalent of a flash game website, where you'll find gems but also lots of shovelware. Steam also has shovelware, but has better filtering options for shovelware.
The difference between itch.io and steam is that in order to put a game on steam you have to pay a fee while on itch.io is completely free.
This doesn't mean the quality of an indie game on steam is different from the ones on itch.io.
Sure usually indies on steam are more prone to be of a little bit more effort but even steam has complete garbage and it's just less because there's a paywall.
>Sure usually indies on steam are more prone to be of a little bit more effort but even steam has complete garbage and it's just less because there's a paywall.
Like I said, there's shovelware on steam too, the problem isn't just the shovelware, it's the bad tagging system itchio has. You can't exclude tags easily, only include them.
But tags don't decide the quality of a game anyway.
They don't on their own, but between being able to filter out and filter in tags, especially being able to hide the horror tag since it's 90% youtube bait, and being able to hide individual games the way I can click the "Ignore" button on steam, would really help with decluttering the store for me and help me chip my way towards the quality games that are on itch.
But this way you would miss the good horror games or literally any other genre you decide to filter.
Yes, but I might not always be in the mood for horror games, sometimes I want to play cozy light hearted stuff like irori and A Short Hike. And being able to hide individual games would help me get to the good games in any genre.
It's a basic tagging system I'm asking for dude, steam has include and exclude, even websites literally dedicated to porn like f95zone have include and exclude, I'd like to just see some QoL and cleanup options on my end is all so I can quickly zero in on a specific mood I want from a game. If you force certain shit upon me I'm not going to be happy to see it in that moment, thus I want to be able to exclude it, at least temporarily.
Once again, I reiterate, I simply want to be able to exclude/include tags and hide/unhide individual games. I don't care in the moment that there's "good horror games", your average shit on itch.io looks like babby's first slenderman and I just want to be rid of it. Also, these are BASIC ass shopping features, even IRL. When I go into a store that has every kind of product, I can go straight to a "section" of the store that has what I'm looking for, like the video game section of a best buy, or the food area of a wal mart. Why can't I go to a "section" of itch.io while shopping around?
I rarely play triple A these days. I don't play "indi" though, depending on how you define the term
Frick no. That place is like the hardcore underground gay piss club of store fronts.
>itch
With a silent b.
I havent touched AAA in a literal decade
Because you're probably a poorgay that only has a shitty laptop for gaming and think that alone makes you a PC gamer.
Holy projection
Imagine saying to be a gamer and just play the lowest common denominator for a decade and being proud of it.
but enough about AAA
I know itchio can have some stinkers on it but holy fricking shit I hope you are not seriously implying the AAA industry has any advantage other than graphical fidelity and a marketing budget. I'll take someone accidentally making a bad game over someone intentionally putting malicious design into their game the way someone like blizzard or ubisoft does any day.
Not only Indie games games have lower effort graphics but they just lack contents, an indie game has just one or two gimmick that very slowly spread through all the game giving you the illusion of variety but in reality they are very repetitive. Quality of a videogame shouldn't be just what you see but also the quality of what you're playing and the gameplay variety that gives you to keep you interested for longer.
Being a gamer also means being capable of understanding what makes videogame good also as a product beyond the simple surface level.
>has just one or two gimmick that very slowly spread through all the game giving you the illusion of variety but in reality they are very repetitive.
but enough about AAA games
AAA games usually give you other than visual variety, from various detailed scenery and cutscenes, they also gives you variety in gameplay, giving you different types if gameplay spread trough the entire game that changes the mood. You don't get this in indies. With indie games you can play the first 30 minutes and you've basically seen everything.
ah, it's an ESL. I almost argued with this thing
>from various detailed scenery and cutscenes
I don't care, I want gameplay I enjoy, also cutscenes are a drawback not a boon
>giving you different types if gameplay spread trough the entire game that changes the mood
No, it gives you a checklist of like 12 mission types to do over and over and over and over again in different locations, which isn't a problem unto itself, indie games do this too, the problem is you're pretending AAA games don't do it. Not a single fricking AAA game I've played post-2017 stacks up to something I've played recently like, say, CrossCode, Deadeye Deepfake Simulacrum, or Trepang2 for me for example.
>I don't care, I want gameplay I enjoy
Frick off with this meme phrase, you're basically playing indie games that gives you gameplay over anything else because they can't afford cutscenes but the gameplay is just repetitive levels over levels that gets progressives more moronic exactly like in 1980 and even those have better gameplay than uninspired indies of today.
>No, it gives you a checklist of like 12 mission types to do over and over and over and over again
I don't know what AAA games you play but maybe you're referring to open world videogames like GTA or far cry.
While yeah they give you checklist, because videogames are basically checklist to do every single time, there's no videogame that doesn't give you a checklist.
You wanna know what gave me "visual variety, from various detailed scenery", where I "can play the first 30 minutes and you've basically seen everything."? Destiny.
Destiny is the worst fricking game I ever played. It's not just an AAA game, it's like THE quintessential AAA game, it's "varied" in that it has a little bit of every kind of the problems a majority of AAA games have right now. I will take indie games over Destiny any day.
It's not a meme to hate AAA games, you frickers actively, continually abuse the trust of people every time you release a game in a rushed state with bugs that make it unplayable, grind that can be skipped with microtransactions, false promises that either fail to materialize entirely or require a several year long roadmap to fulfill and by that time people move on, include Denuvo DRM which gets in between me and the game I purchased while causing performance issues, and abuse your employees behind the scenes, then you have the gall to gaslight the frick out of your players on social media about all the problems in your game, either downplaying them or pretending they don't exist to begin with, and we literally have to REVIEW BOMB you to get you to notice how much these things piss people off collectively because you ban anyone on your official forums who criticize you and the only way we can get the message through to you that we hate what you do to your games is to make a public spectacle out of it.
The average indie game I play does not do anything approaching this shit to me, and it usually costs 20-40 bucks giving me something I can actually enjoy from start to finish.
In any case, go frick yourself. Enjoy your last (You) from me. Don't bother replying to me, I'm not interested in what you have to say.
You're getting confused with games as a services, i was actually talking about videogames that have a set length from A to B without trying to be 10+ years loot boxes selling machines. That's completely different types of games.
>implying indie devs have the budget to do games as a service
>implying that AAA games that are set length from A to B are any better (just look at the shitshow that was TLOU Part II)
you're moronic
>just look at the shitshow that was TLOU Part II
The problem i have with TLOU part 2 is that it's a creatively bankrupt game that despite having very good writing it sold purely on the momentum of zombie apocalypse when it was a very popular and trending theme thanks to TV series like the walking dead and lean more towards a film audience.
That's the only complain i have but as a videogame stand point you have to admit that it's stunning, a technician masterpiece. I want videogames like tlou but i want them to be more videogames than movies.
>AAA games
>visual variety
>variety in gameplay
lol, lmao even
this pic is moronic once you realize that theres multiplayer games mixed into this.
Being a gamer is knowing that one must play both good AND bad games to have a reasonably calibrated bar for quality. No, reading reviews and watching youtube videos about it doesn't count.
Only if I got an exception for fighting games.
No, just no
site would be great if it wasn't for all the lgbtq garbage polluting it
Easily. Most AAA games are shit and cost too much.
Both AAA and indie games are mostly garbage
I already do, excepting pre-2014 AAA. Feels good man.
>indies
No
>independent games
Maybe
I already am, kind of. The only AAA game I bought in decades was monster hunter: world, which I enjoyed greatly.
But I only play AA games
90% of the games I played every year are indies. The other 9% is Japanese. This year's 1% turned out to Baldur's Gate 3 because people wouldn't shut up about it.
My favourite indie game is league of legends
I used to play flash games all the time. there were a lot of trash on sites like addicting games and kongregate
i already do
I haven't bought a AAA game in a decade.
I already do. The only AAA game I played the last decade was Days Gone because I got tricked into thinking that it would be a badass game by the looks of it.
Fine with only indies, lots of options to pick from
Also what are good games on itch.io? You can also shill me your game if it's free
>OFF
You might like Ruza. A bit rough around the edges, but a fun game nonetheless.
https://stroj.itch.io/ruza
Last year they gave a frickton of games for a minimum of 10€ for ukraine, Anyway, for little and cute games i recommend Caloreload, Tankgal and fairysong. Red trees, lavender and kaima for rpgmaker games. The Telwynium looks cool as frick but i never even started it
I'll play neither. 2000s medium budget games only
if you're going to post unsatisfying webms at least post a follow up with a Black person getting hit by a bus or something.
I don't remember the last time I played an AAA game.
Do nintendo games count as AAA? Because if not those i never played AAA, at most after years on an emulator, most of them give me motion sickness anyway
>Do games from one of the largest vidya corporations count as AAA?
Mario games don't feel like the usual AAA hyper realistic slop so idk, i meant it that way