Would you reccomend a play through in 2023? I haven’t played them since release date.
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Would you reccomend a play through in 2023? I havent played them since release date.
not retro
They're just ports, not remasters or remakes. It's retro as it can get.
Yes but not those versions, they are unbelievably lazy ports that look bad and have input delay issues.
hd remasters are not retro
Not with that half assed collection
What's wrong with it?
Nothing really, it’s fine. Just don’t expect more than barebones effort from Konami and buy it on sale.
Yeah, they're good with the hd paint job. Have fun
Why do you come to a retro board to ask if we recommend playing retro games? Do you also go to Ganker asking if driving cars is a good idea?
Got it on my Switch. Just finished 2 and it's even better than I remember. Best looking PS2 game by far. Haven't played 3 since it first came out and am also having a blast, forgot how campy it is and the survival stuff is cool on higher difficulty.
It's probably the easiest way to get the games now on modern systems so I say go for it. Metal Gear 2 is also included and it rules, first time playing through it and it's crazy how modern feeling it is.
>On switch
What? Hey, going back to basics I guess. Is it worth it if I already have the Vita collection and mgs3ds?
I have them on my PC through other means but travel a lot for work so wanted to play them on planes. Honestly probably not worth it, the HD is nice but they're great looking games anyway.
I have it on Switch too, and just FYI each game is treated as a separate download which is stupid in my opinion. I wish they were all included under one main menu.
You're Ames, aren't you?
"My name's Jennifer!?"
I want to get it on Switch. I want to have each game as a separate download from the eshop since I heard the physical release just has you download most of it anyway. Is it okay to get the bundle, will each game actually be separate downloads, or is it better to get MGS1, MGS2, etc each seperately? I'm worried it will give me that "MGS Collection" thing instead of MGS1.
You purchase the collection as a bundle but each game is a separate download, yeah
Do you people realize it's half the fps on Switch as on PS2? It's the only console version of this collection that runs at 30 fps lmao, it's trash
I really don’t notice or care about that sort of thing most of the time.
It's literally running at half the frame rate as on the original console. It looks and feels terrible.
Eh, plays fine.
No, no it doesn't. Gameplay is actually affected as some visual effects like the rain and motion blur become different at 30 fps and much harder to see through, watch the DF video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PTnkQ7zrgII
Not to mention that you are running a 20+ year old game at HALF the framerate of what a console released in 1999 could muster... you have to be in absolute cope mode to find this acceptable.
I don’t know, I just like having them portable. I previously played MGS2 and Snake Eater on Vita without issue and I don’t think they ran at 60fps either.
I like them having portable, too, they run at 60 fps on the Deck. And it's 60 on Vita too.
having them*
Snake Eater on the Vita HD Collection doesn’t run at a locked 60fps. MGS2 targets 60 but often has drops.
Snake Eater on Vita is pretty much always a stable 30fps and tbh I think it plays fine.
MGS2 is the only game here that is 60 on PS2 so that's what I've been talking about
Shit the PS2 version of MGS2 is actually 60fps? I know it's interlaced but still, damn.
Not everyone gives a shit about framerates. I originally played these games on a 13" CRT made in the late 80s. Does it PLAY well? That's all some of us give a shit about.
The answer is exactly that it does not play well. And frame rate matters when you're producing half of what a 25 years old console produces. This isn't some stupid 120 fps vs 144 fps peesee gaming competition, it's about the fact that Switch is the only console that reproduces this 22 years old game in inferior quality compared to the original console.
Did you drop your boy panties and let Konami frick you in the ass after buying this half-assed collection? Literally the bare minimum they could've done was make MGS2 and MGS3 run at 60FPS on Switch. The Switch is slightly more powerful than the 360 and PS3 but weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One. MGS2 ran at 60FPS on the PS2. You can't tell me that MGS2 and MGS3 won't run at 60FPS on Switch. It's a pathetic attempt at shirking work by Konami since they put almost no effort into the collection.
As much as I love mgs, I agree. Konami should not be given money, anybody who bought this is actively paying for the demise and bastardization of the metal gear franchise. Do not go the way of the nintendrone my dear friends, fight the impulse to consume the product. Konami is using you to destroy what you love!
as if kojombo didn't shit the bed 20 years ago, metal gear was on a downward course since 1998
2022 is the last year I could recommend playing this in all good conscience.
I'm gonna play them all in 2024 for you, anon
Only 2, both 1 and 3 are too unpolished and 3 isn't even about 1/2 Snake
Big Boss is the genetic blueprint for Solid Snake. He's still voiced by David Hayter and has almost the exact same mannerisms. You're basically Snake.
Ignore MGS2 autists. They’re forever coping that Snake Eater is rightly more popular.
Is it? I feel like MGS2 is the one having the renaissance now due to AI and govt social media control
>OMG SO DEEP AND RELEVANT BRO
MGS2 is the video game equivalent of Fight Club.
That's not a very good comparison. More like the matrix mixed James bond.
I meant more like MGS2 is the game bro equivalent to film bros and Fight Club. But yes, I totally agree that The Matrix was clearly a strong influence.
Ohh yeah I can see that. Fight club was pretty cool, but got overown by midwits, similar to mgs2. But, I really think that the plot of mgs2 is just relevant and has been for a while. That's why it gets brought up and talked about. No idy fricking cares about fight club anymore.
Overblown* nobody*
Yeah. I think a lot of it is younger audiences not understanding that we completely understood the themes that MGS2 was getting at back in 2001 even though smartphones and social media weren’t around yet. It’s not like it went unnoticed at the time.
Kek, that's true. It was never lost on us what the Implications of gw were. It's always been a part of discussion, it wasnt until that one YouTube video something like "why mgs2 is the best video game". It blew up so fast and then that spurred on the age of 12 hour retrospectives. It's 100% that one mgs2 videos fault.
>No idy fricking cares about fight club anymore.
Kind weird because Fight Club themes are more predominant today than they were 20 years ago and the movie was years ahead of society's feminization.
I agree that fight club should be more talked about, but I don't see it. I'm also not on social media, so take that for what you will. Fight club is a good movie for guys in this feminizing times, but it's not gospel or anything. It's about mental illness.
Didn't Fight Club get a weird sequel where Tyler is actually a malevolent spirit that possesses people to do destructive things?
Yeah, in graphic novel form. Chuck Palahniuk went full moron.
Yes because Chuck Palahniuk was salty that the movie was better than the book, so he wrote it as a graphic novel to try and pull in movie-watchers and troll them. Problem being nobody gave a shit.
The movie's message is pretty much "make your own morality, stop being a slave to people who hate you" which is fantastic but every person who analyzes it seems to either think it's about why you should be a terrorist or why masculinity is evil and there's no in-between.
The "masculinity is evil" people also don't realize that people coming out of that movie loving Tyler was by design, another one of the movie's themes is about propaganda and the first half of that movie is basically a Tyler Durden propaganda flick.
Fight Club doesn't have any blonde twunks in form fitting sneaking suits like Raiden
not with that attitude
>Fight Club doesn't have any blonde twunks
You forgot about Angelface.
You're right, thanks. gonna jerk off to this tonight!
Glad I could help, anon.
Being gay is fine, but being into Leto? Gross.
I'm not into leto, actually, but if that Anon wants to see blonde twunks in Fight Club I'm happy to point him to the only one
Can’t argue with you there.
Leto atreides ii is the god emperor of the known universe. Leto atreides ii makes rokos basilisk look like a basic b***h. Take a seat, Black folk
Dune sucks.
And Fight Club is fantastic, idk what point you're trying to prove with that unless you're claiming midwits think liking them makes them intelligent (which is true but doesn't make the actual thing any worse)
Oh for sure. I think it’s mostly a result of this
Also: MGS2 wasn’t written in a bubble. Kojima definitely saw The Matrix, which in turn was inspired by anime like Ghost in the Shell.
Kojima himself is really into Ghost in the Shell IIRC.
If that were true, MGS3 wouldn't be the focus of a big remake. MGS3 is very well-remembered but didn't sell nearly as well as MGS2 did.
I just replayed the three (OG versions on an emulator) and it's definitely worth a replay after so long. You can even try the JP versions with JP VAs since you already know the story
It would be weird if the high IQ installment was the popular one. MGS3 is the simplest most action oriented out of all the MGS games. Even 5 filters normies because the story is just too confusing for them
>high IQ installment
See
He was cooler in MGS2, in snake eater he autistically larps as solid snake and only opens his mouth to talk about food like a woman.
I’ve read that both MGS2 and Snake Eater run at 30fps on Switch but 60 on PS5/SX
The short answer: Absolutely.
The long answer: Absolutely, but it depends on the platform and how you're going to play them. The Master Collection is pretty underwhelming, especially on PC and Switch. Personally think it's best to play the PS2 versions, and then the HD collection on PS3, followed by everything else. One exception being MGS1 on DuckStation with optional enhancements, it's like a dream.
what enhancements would you recommend?
Some versions of MGS3 have over the shoulder camera tho
The version of MGS3 in the collection has the free floating camera. Also git gud and learn how to sneak.
I’m pretty sure it’s the Subsistence version which lets you switch between the new third person camera or the original 2004 camera system at any time.
I'm playing MGS3 from the collection right now and it has a camera toggle like in Subsistence.
I would say skip 2.
It tries to be bad on purpose, but it's still a AAA Konami game so the whole thing comes across half-assed.
It has a message about critical thinking, but doesn't play to the strengths of the video game medium at all.
stfu
I'm a PC gay so I never played those games until recently
I liked MGS1 the best
It's basically MG2SS but with PS1 pushed to the very limit in terms of presentation, and it works surprisingly well
MGS3 on the other tries so much new things that aren't well suited for the leftover MG2SS heritage that it just doesn't feel organic
PS yet to try MGS2
also what I hate about the games is how kojimbaroo constantly steals player agency, eg the spoiler
you defeat liquid 4 fricking times, but he is still ok and dies to a virus?
like what the frick kojuju san?
Nah, just play the vr missions
1: yeah
2: if you skip the cutscenes
3: nah
First two games are fine but playing MGS3 again will make you realize it's actually a shitty game like 4
No, this slop was patient zero for movieshit
Kojima is a hack
Ironically when Kojima attempted to make a gameplay-forward MGS game in the form of Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain, it turned out to be repetitive open world shit with boring base building.
And even then he was ripping off a better game made by a different team.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
just emulate it if you can and upscale if you want too.
Yeah, but either play them all on PS1/PS2, emulate the originals, or emulate 1 and get the HD collection. The Master collection ports are garbage and while they're improving they haven't fixed the biggest issues with the games as far as I'm aware.
Oh, and play them in release order, not chronologically. It's better.
I can fistfight every MGS2 nuthugger in this thread.
At the same time.
I'd rent you my backyard to do it if I was allowed to watch for free
Dude, id watch this in your backyard and bring some beer.
Personally I think MGS aged like shit.