>We can never truly go back bros
wait for ai to be able to analyze classic videos from back in the day and emulate those players in your own local private server in a few years
What good would that do? You're not the same as you were back then.
If you're like me you you have 15-20 years of MMO experience and close to 30 years of playing video games, a brief history playing in esports, a short stint in speedrunning. Your problem solving skills, your mechanical skills, your team communication skills, your leadership skills are all orders of magnitudes more evolved and refined now. You can pick up any game and play single player on the hardest difficulty and never feel daunted since you know it's just a matter of time until you learn the pattern of things and start solving the game. You can pick up any multiplayer game and know that if you just keep practicing you will eventually reach the top ranks and play among the best. There is next to nothing that is truly new to you.
Why delude yourself thinking you will ever have the same experience as you did when you were a kid?
for those that miss the experience since they cant simulate the same game environment, they will get it again, and for those that wont be helped by that like you larp about, you should have found many other things in life to do by now and viewed your past as done and finished
I like the same things I liked when I was a kid. Being smarter and more experienced doesnt make me unable to immerse myself. The problem is that we just have no outlet for these things. Internet has changed, and so have mmo players. Simply playing old games is not going to work, it needs to be a new experience. How it can be done I dont know exactly, but I dont really see anyone trying either. Since wow ever single mmo has been focused only on competitive endgame
There's only one engine i can think of that could MAYBE create a world in depth enough and that's the engine Star Citizen is using. Imagine a medieval fantasy MMO with a map larger than the largest single planet game before it by an order of magnitude or 2.
There just aren't many talented developers anymore. There's people that are good at showing up and dealing with work outlined for them, but nothing that screams LA CREATIVIDAD. That's why people shit their pants over games like ER and BG3. You only get one so often. Now take that principle into the mmo genre. Whens was the last actual slapper MMO? Final Fantasy only got popular because WoW is insanely dogshit in the present. Gw2 lost ark archeage bdo etc, all dead noone gives a frick and filled with junk labeled as a video game experience.
There would need to come a studio with a good vision and the freedom of restrictions from answering to a board of investors. And that's just not likely because all these morons work out of CALI and think the rest of the world should care they make 100k and are basically homeless.
>There just aren't many talented developers anymore. There's people that are good at showing up and dealing with work outlined for them, but nothing that screams LA CREATIVIDAD.
It's because no one with actual talent wants to work at a company like Blizzard, where upper management will treat you like shit and you'll be paid well below industry standard. You could instead go work for a tech firm for significantly more money and better conditions, while the losers, interns and low level code monkeys work at Blizzard where they're treated as disposable resources. Even if a talented person would voluntarily work for Blizzard, there's no way they could actually achieve anything there because it's a company that's been run by suits for the past 20 years, not by developers or anyone who gives a shit about vidya.
Isn't that part of what makes it special? Cherish those memories. I have unforgettable memories from RO, WOW, and Minecraft (when it was first shilled here by botch in 2008ish)
>find my old vanilla WoW screenshots >see my school friends' characters >one of them died IRL long ago, the other is a depressed alcoholic >we were so happy then >literally fricking cry
Maybe I should just delete them. It gives me a sickly feeling to know it's all gone and never coming back.
The only way to get a game like Vanilla wow is to make a world so large and deep in terms of lore and exploration that it's basically impossible to collect everything about the game before it becomes out dated from new content. That'd basically require AI proc gen that's not terrible and is actually capable of making decent quests with minimal Dev input. This doesn't necessarily require something insanely deep (just think of all the shit in Skyrim you still don't know about) but adding another layer based off interactions can go a long way to surprising people even years down the line.
It'd also of course require the devs to not bow to pressure to simplify stuff and get rid of things that are unique in the spirit of streamlining the game so people can get to the endgame because they think that's the end all be all
its really funny to read threads like this. Peoples fondest memories of wow seem to always be tied to open world interaction, yet the game has been raidlog simulator since 2007. I think that tells you everything about the state of the genre
Burning Crusade was kinda bad for the game yeah, arguably ESO probably has the most active world due to having everything scale to the player. Also since the gear cap is CP160 even base game stuff is still relevant to some builds and even gear released several years ago can be BiS for certain builds, if world scaling was better to the point where you actually feel like you get stronger all throughout the leveling process instead of getting weaker from basically level 1 until you hit max and then FINALLY getting stronger (barring the first 5 minutes of getting new skills) it'd be great.
ESO also doesn't have a raid finder i'm pretty sure so those are still limited to either guilds or if you just want a clear paying people to carry you. End of the day though the world of ESO does feel more alive because you actually see people leveling and what not because even once you hit Level 50 there's a shit ton of more experience you need to get before you stop getting stronger.
>Peoples fondest memories of wow seem to always be tied to open world interaction
Most people that say this in MMO nostalgia threads never seem to understand why. The golden era of MMOs (whether you played WoW, RS, RO or something else) was not a part of ingenious game design that simply has never been replicated since, it was a byproduct of that time period's internet. Meeting people online was still a novelty and so was going from AoE2 lobbies with 4-8 people in them to worlds with HUNDREDS of players. Combine this with the fact that you were still a relatively happy teenager and that's the real reason why it was so much fun to play games with other people back in the day.
People don't know what they actually want, no long term thinking capability, re4remake comes out after 15 years of hoyp buildup, nobody cares and is memoryholed in a week
>always be tied to open world interaction
You can still do it, it's just that it isn't forced in the same way. Give people a choice and they'll just mindlessly chase the number go up carrot on the stick. You have to FORCE people to play the game in a fun way.
>You have to FORCE people to play the game in a fun way.
true. You need to save people from themselves otherwise they will optimize the fun out of the game. Its even worse in games with variety of content like mmos because top poopsockers will put pressure on the rest of the playerbase. But we all know how it went with blizzard
https://www.azerothcore.org/catalogue.html#/details/646926161
you can summon bot versions of characters you make or randomly generated bots that populate areas based on parameters you set. i'll be able to run dungeons with characters i made and gear them up appropriately, it's very cool.
that's why going the azcore route is better because you compile everything yourself, there's no risk and you can customize the modules/db fully.
but honestly the "risk" is just Blizzshills spreading FUD about anything that doesn't involve helping their israelite daddy bobby kotick get a new yacht. there has literally never ever in all of recorded history ever been a single recorded instance of someone being "hacked" because they downloaded a single player WoW repository.
https://www.azerothcore.org/wiki/installation start with this. it's genuinely worth it. running my own 100% local private server where i set the rules and rates for everything. slowly leveling out individual characters i'll run through dungeons to gear up. it's really fun.
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>go to site >Uses Mangos like every private server did at least 10 years ago
So there's no chance of it actually being good
Thanks for ruining my hopes anon
As far as I know there has only been a single case of a proven miner (which ran only while the repack was running) and it was immediately detected and the owner was told to remove it or have all his shit taken down for good. It was a project completely unrelated to Azerothcore, which is open source, as are all its modules, so the likelihood of an extremely high profile module like playerbots having malware hidden somewhere is incredibly low.
I firmly believe the reason classic's magic can't be recaptured is that the modern era of information sharing is too powerful
Youtube, streaming, wowhead, warcraftlogs, and whatever other technologies and resources make information about the game far too ubiquitous. There is nothing to learn and nothing to discover inside the game anymore.
Its like going into a custom D&D campaign completely blind with no access to anything about it.
Versus going into that same custom D&D campaign having been provided with everything the DM will be using.
>what panic button will they press next?
Most definitely it will be "rush out the remaining phases asap so we can kill SoD and roll out the next season sooner"
>We can never truly go back bros
wait for ai to be able to analyze classic videos from back in the day and emulate those players in your own local private server in a few years
That will never happen in our lifetime
not spoonfeeding you, sorry kiddo
That's actually one of the possible uses of AI that will be genuinely possible in the next few years. It will be wonderful.
What good would that do? You're not the same as you were back then.
If you're like me you you have 15-20 years of MMO experience and close to 30 years of playing video games, a brief history playing in esports, a short stint in speedrunning. Your problem solving skills, your mechanical skills, your team communication skills, your leadership skills are all orders of magnitudes more evolved and refined now. You can pick up any game and play single player on the hardest difficulty and never feel daunted since you know it's just a matter of time until you learn the pattern of things and start solving the game. You can pick up any multiplayer game and know that if you just keep practicing you will eventually reach the top ranks and play among the best. There is next to nothing that is truly new to you.
Why delude yourself thinking you will ever have the same experience as you did when you were a kid?
for those that miss the experience since they cant simulate the same game environment, they will get it again, and for those that wont be helped by that like you larp about, you should have found many other things in life to do by now and viewed your past as done and finished
>Why delude yourself thinking you will ever have the same experience as you did when you were a kid?
Because a man can dream
I like the same things I liked when I was a kid. Being smarter and more experienced doesnt make me unable to immerse myself. The problem is that we just have no outlet for these things. Internet has changed, and so have mmo players. Simply playing old games is not going to work, it needs to be a new experience. How it can be done I dont know exactly, but I dont really see anyone trying either. Since wow ever single mmo has been focused only on competitive endgame
There's only one engine i can think of that could MAYBE create a world in depth enough and that's the engine Star Citizen is using. Imagine a medieval fantasy MMO with a map larger than the largest single planet game before it by an order of magnitude or 2.
>Sign into old school Runescape and get scammed by an AI impersonation offering to trim my black armor
Hmm... questionably sovl, I'll allow it
There just aren't many talented developers anymore. There's people that are good at showing up and dealing with work outlined for them, but nothing that screams LA CREATIVIDAD. That's why people shit their pants over games like ER and BG3. You only get one so often. Now take that principle into the mmo genre. Whens was the last actual slapper MMO? Final Fantasy only got popular because WoW is insanely dogshit in the present. Gw2 lost ark archeage bdo etc, all dead noone gives a frick and filled with junk labeled as a video game experience.
There would need to come a studio with a good vision and the freedom of restrictions from answering to a board of investors. And that's just not likely because all these morons work out of CALI and think the rest of the world should care they make 100k and are basically homeless.
>There just aren't many talented developers anymore. There's people that are good at showing up and dealing with work outlined for them, but nothing that screams LA CREATIVIDAD.
It's because no one with actual talent wants to work at a company like Blizzard, where upper management will treat you like shit and you'll be paid well below industry standard. You could instead go work for a tech firm for significantly more money and better conditions, while the losers, interns and low level code monkeys work at Blizzard where they're treated as disposable resources. Even if a talented person would voluntarily work for Blizzard, there's no way they could actually achieve anything there because it's a company that's been run by suits for the past 20 years, not by developers or anyone who gives a shit about vidya.
>Slaughtering farmers by the dozen with a group of 5 in Hillsbrad Fields
Can you say "rape" in modern retail?
yea
>We can never truly go back bros.
the human experience is finding another adventure into the unknown
Isn't that part of what makes it special? Cherish those memories. I have unforgettable memories from RO, WOW, and Minecraft (when it was first shilled here by botch in 2008ish)
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>find my old vanilla WoW screenshots
>see my school friends' characters
>one of them died IRL long ago, the other is a depressed alcoholic
>we were so happy then
>literally fricking cry
Maybe I should just delete them. It gives me a sickly feeling to know it's all gone and never coming back.
outside of those people's moms or whatever you're the only person that thinks of them positively. maybe you can channel that somehow.
The only way to get a game like Vanilla wow is to make a world so large and deep in terms of lore and exploration that it's basically impossible to collect everything about the game before it becomes out dated from new content. That'd basically require AI proc gen that's not terrible and is actually capable of making decent quests with minimal Dev input. This doesn't necessarily require something insanely deep (just think of all the shit in Skyrim you still don't know about) but adding another layer based off interactions can go a long way to surprising people even years down the line.
It'd also of course require the devs to not bow to pressure to simplify stuff and get rid of things that are unique in the spirit of streamlining the game so people can get to the endgame because they think that's the end all be all
Post some of your favourite classic WoW videos
And remember goys, push it to the limit
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>2006
Holy shit. Impressive video, especially considering they were playing with the handicap of being Alliance.
its really funny to read threads like this. Peoples fondest memories of wow seem to always be tied to open world interaction, yet the game has been raidlog simulator since 2007. I think that tells you everything about the state of the genre
Burning Crusade was kinda bad for the game yeah, arguably ESO probably has the most active world due to having everything scale to the player. Also since the gear cap is CP160 even base game stuff is still relevant to some builds and even gear released several years ago can be BiS for certain builds, if world scaling was better to the point where you actually feel like you get stronger all throughout the leveling process instead of getting weaker from basically level 1 until you hit max and then FINALLY getting stronger (barring the first 5 minutes of getting new skills) it'd be great.
ESO also doesn't have a raid finder i'm pretty sure so those are still limited to either guilds or if you just want a clear paying people to carry you. End of the day though the world of ESO does feel more alive because you actually see people leveling and what not because even once you hit Level 50 there's a shit ton of more experience you need to get before you stop getting stronger.
>Peoples fondest memories of wow seem to always be tied to open world interaction
Most people that say this in MMO nostalgia threads never seem to understand why. The golden era of MMOs (whether you played WoW, RS, RO or something else) was not a part of ingenious game design that simply has never been replicated since, it was a byproduct of that time period's internet. Meeting people online was still a novelty and so was going from AoE2 lobbies with 4-8 people in them to worlds with HUNDREDS of players. Combine this with the fact that you were still a relatively happy teenager and that's the real reason why it was so much fun to play games with other people back in the day.
People don't know what they actually want, no long term thinking capability, re4remake comes out after 15 years of hoyp buildup, nobody cares and is memoryholed in a week
>always be tied to open world interaction
You can still do it, it's just that it isn't forced in the same way. Give people a choice and they'll just mindlessly chase the number go up carrot on the stick. You have to FORCE people to play the game in a fun way.
>You have to FORCE people to play the game in a fun way.
true. You need to save people from themselves otherwise they will optimize the fun out of the game. Its even worse in games with variety of content like mmos because top poopsockers will put pressure on the rest of the playerbase. But we all know how it went with blizzard
I got sick of raiding fast and just became an altoholic.
i've been running a personal private server and playing with 'bots' made up of characters i registered and having a lot of fun
Same except I don't use any bots, I just make small modifications for fun and never play
what do the bots do, just act as AI party members? can they do dungeons and raids?
https://www.azerothcore.org/catalogue.html#/details/646926161
you can summon bot versions of characters you make or randomly generated bots that populate areas based on parameters you set. i'll be able to run dungeons with characters i made and gear them up appropriately, it's very cool.
I've looked into this and tutorial videos as well, someone mentioned the risk of miners/malware hidden in the repacks and I lost all interest
that's why going the azcore route is better because you compile everything yourself, there's no risk and you can customize the modules/db fully.
but honestly the "risk" is just Blizzshills spreading FUD about anything that doesn't involve helping their israelite daddy bobby kotick get a new yacht. there has literally never ever in all of recorded history ever been a single recorded instance of someone being "hacked" because they downloaded a single player WoW repository.
https://www.azerothcore.org/wiki/installation start with this. it's genuinely worth it. running my own 100% local private server where i set the rules and rates for everything. slowly leveling out individual characters i'll run through dungeons to gear up. it's really fun.
>go to site
>Uses Mangos like every private server did at least 10 years ago
So there's no chance of it actually being good
Thanks for ruining my hopes anon
>1 WoW Token has been deposited to your account
As far as I know there has only been a single case of a proven miner (which ran only while the repack was running) and it was immediately detected and the owner was told to remove it or have all his shit taken down for good. It was a project completely unrelated to Azerothcore, which is open source, as are all its modules, so the likelihood of an extremely high profile module like playerbots having malware hidden somewhere is incredibly low.
you do realise that mob will never die unless someone goes to blasted and finds its stone
>just when i finally found a comfy raid guild classic released
Nostalrius was fricking amazing. It's retailgays that are the problem (and streamer culture)
Classic is not the same because the true blizzard is gone.
I firmly believe the reason classic's magic can't be recaptured is that the modern era of information sharing is too powerful
Youtube, streaming, wowhead, warcraftlogs, and whatever other technologies and resources make information about the game far too ubiquitous. There is nothing to learn and nothing to discover inside the game anymore.
Its like going into a custom D&D campaign completely blind with no access to anything about it.
Versus going into that same custom D&D campaign having been provided with everything the DM will be using.
wrong
I have good memories from Classic, it wasn't the same but I still found it to be just as enjoyable.
SoD is already so dead they're doubling exp to level cap, what panic button will they press next?
>what panic button will they press next?
Most definitely it will be "rush out the remaining phases asap so we can kill SoD and roll out the next season sooner"
when will someone mod in "trusts" on private servers like what were in ff11 so you can still do party stuff solo?
why don't you do it instead of begging for others to? anyway, just play retail, they added trusts there
suck my dick