It wont do either everyone will buy it then leave again after a month or two and go right back to b***hing like usual. WOWcucks dont have the balls to actually leave they just cry a hell of a lot.
I left after WotLK, came back for Legion because my buddies were on, and then left and haven’t even thought about going back considering how awful the game looks now.
>Flying at start means people will burn through any content >Only 4 zones >Even less endgame content
They're literally banking on furries afking to jack off over the dragon NPCs.
the only cool thing about it is the new flight mechanics but its limited to the expansion areas unless you play the gay scalie race
more shitty borrowed power trash they worked so hard on only to bin it next expac
>but its limited to the expansion areas unless you play the gay scalie race
this shits moronic. the gay lizards prove that the new flying doesn't break any old area but they won't let everyone do it.
If you’re not trolling that’s so fricking dumb, reminds me of demon hunters and their movement that is like 10x better than any other class because reasons
I don't think this one will have borrowed power so that's good. The flight is only for those zones now, but they said they hope players will enjoy it enough that they ask for it for the rest of the world. I try to go into these with an open mind and make my own decisions once I play it, but this does look like an anemic expansion. Hopefully they are mainly bringing things up to date, but it is coming out in like five months or less. That's not much time for testing and feedback.
Game has been in maintenance mode for how many years by now? Six? Eight? The entirety of BfA and Shadowlands were filler,they threw everything under the bus now, titans, Legion, old gods, etc. thaty why they are having to make up cringe OCs now who have akshually been controlling everything all along.
Gameplay is also dogshit, with only literal sunk cost addicts still holding out, but due to the way psychology works, these whales purchasing every single zero effort cash shop minipet, mount and other shit are never going to leave and as long they have a couple thousand of these, a couple dozen thousand oldgays and sweaty raiders who doesnt know any better games to play and a couple hundred thousand seasonal losers who by the new expansion pack and play for like two weeks before realizing its shit, its profitable and they can keep it going with minimal crews of interns.
This isn't the blizzard of the early 2000s, trying to sell you a flagship product based on their most popular IP, like Mercedes-Benz directly trying to sell you an S-class with guarantees, warranty, customization and everything. Its some neighborhood Honest Joe's trying to sell you a jalopy that is turning 20 in two years and been through so many owners and repairs that barely if anything of the original one remains.
>Game has been in maintenance mode for how many years by now?
None? Because your 13 year old coomer brain doesn't know what maintenance mode is, where there is NO development on a game, and the c**ts at Blizzard are throwing all of their workers at this shitshow game, even buying a third party developer studio to pitch in.
Would you like to post more crap from your rotted brain where you fundamentally don't understand a phrase?
it'll be okay but boring since all they're doing is bringing old systems back and giving professions a small touchup.
the expansion after this is the one where we see if they actually bother doing anything cool and gamechanging
>BUT DEWD THEY ARE TOTALLY BRINGING BACK STUFF NOW AND MAKE THEM GOOD,
How many FRICKING times did we hear that, marketer-kun? I vividly remember all that WoD shilling going on, how the "game is going back to its roots" and "will be just like BC!" among all the promised revamps and rollbacks.
And of course, it was fricking shit. Shit in ways that people fresh off the street would have immediately told you, but actiblizz was unable or unwilling to address.
>the expansion after this is the one where we see if they actually bother doing anything cool and gamechanging
LOL, no. Not with Ion Hazzac**t in charge. He's incapable of taking risks.
>new race are literal troony lizards >BODY TYPE A BODY TYPE B >new talent trees are an abomination >no new content that hasn't already be done before >will piss off mount collectors (half the playerbase) by restricting you to 1 dragon >no borrowed power so all classes will be bland >profession gear will make the game more p2w through wow tokens
it's kill
we will all have to wait for Legion private servers to enjoy peak wow again
>Body type A, body type B >Voice: male, voice: female
You cant make this shit up.
>no borrowed power so all classes will be bland
Wow, its like a cow getting zapped by the electric fence again and again until it almost learned something.
>profession gear will make the game more p2w through wow tokens
moronic take. Professions mattering again is one of the very very few good decisions they have made. It would have almost worked if they came up with it ten years ago, too little, too late now. Also, "p2w" literally doesnt fricking matter at all, they have GDKPs, boosting, sellruns, etc. due to goblins sitting literal millions of gold and sometimes releasing it back to the economy. Basically every MMO is P2W now because of the social environment changing, it takes about 10 minutes of googling to find a chinese or russian dude willing to sell you fake currency or boost you in any random fricking obscure MMO with two hundred players, or buy complete accounts, keys, gear, whatever. The vidya grey economy is too well established now to design around.
This. I’ve always wondered though, WHY does Blizzard hate it’s casual playerbase so much? They have to have the metrics that show 95% of people never even touch a Heroic raid, right? Why don’t they add in more casual friendly shit?
Because in their heads, forcing EVERYONE to do the same content, farming the same raids, going through the same motions every day somehow equalizes the sweaty raider with the keyboard turning hunter. Its like some fricked up vision of e-communism
Are MMOs just not relevant anymore? Or is Blizzard that incompetent? Classic had a little something for everyone. You could be a Profession guy, farming and making shit, even crafted gear was in demand. You could be a raider, or a PvP rank grinder. There was a sense of community, and even casuals could find their niche.
Now, it’s literally just all about raiding. That’s it. Just raiding and M+. There’s nothing there for shitters.
Because casuals have the tendency to just let go and find other games and hobbies if they're bored. And I don't mean that in a negative way, not every casual is a noob. They just don't get as addicted to the grind, they might buy the expansion at start and then drop it 2 months later to not return for next 2 years. I knew a warrior like this from my guild, the guy was like a top 5 warrior on our realm according to logs and m+ if he was actually trying but he just cba once the game boiled down to raidlogging and often went MIA for 6-12 months.
From a Blizzard's perspective these players aren't good for business, they prefer addicted apes who will stay subbed forever, preferably bad enough to shill out tokens and buy boosting services for CE, +15 and PvP titles. Blizzard ideas and game design makes perfect sense the moment you assume every decision boils down to extracting maximum amount of cash from players.
Look at WOTLK. That had plenty to keep casual shitters entertained and subbed, even if they weren’t hardcore. Are zoomers just not into MMOs?
>Look at WOTLK. That had plenty to keep casual shitters entertained and subbed, even if they weren’t hardcore. Are zoomers just not into MMOs?
Wotlk didn't have the competition in form of MOBAs and battle royales which do basically the same thing but better when it comes to quick in and out competitive gameplay that's suited to your personal ability via matchmaking.
WoW is still (barely) an RPG so getting some pity rewards from LFR, normal and hc because you're not good enough to "get the real thing" never feels good. Casuals don't play a different champion in normals or gold of league of legend, they get the same feeling of accomplishment as a diamond or challenger player. This isn't the case with MMORPGS with difficulty levels where you're constantly reminded by presence of others that you're not good enough to get that cool mount or title (while paying the same amount of cash as CE groups) - It's a terrible design flaw.
>You cant make this shit up.
also you can use a male voice in a female body, so gross. it doesn't even make sense either because if transgenders could, they would just turn into male or female. not exist as an abomination. it doesn't even make sense in wow because there's magic.
bot farming won't be an issue, they'll timegate the shit out of certain materials so only about 1/3rd to 1/5th of an item is made with bot farmable materials
the only issue will be that people can't farm leather/herbs/ores to sell for good money. But you can just buy a token to remedy that problem
Furries got in the door with BfA. It was over, then. When you start appealing to that degenerate crowd, it's over.
Although I will concede that the BfA furry class isn't as fricking creepy as this new one. But they openly have trannies in their videos now, so I expect some wierdo in a fox costume for the dev videos for the release of this new clown car expansion.
Continuous slow death. All normal and functioning human beings left WoW years ago including casuals, normies, humans with friends and hobbies, grown ups and people who aren't mentally ill (yes, the bar is that low).
The mentally ill addicted paypigs and third worlders who keep making money on boosting and selling glad titles will keep playing this lgbtq+ friendly mess until Blizzard gets dissolved or they all die. But there's ZERO new blood in modern WoW.
This. I’ve always wondered though, WHY does Blizzard hate it’s casual playerbase so much? They have to have the metrics that show 95% of people never even touch a Heroic raid, right? Why don’t they add in more casual friendly shit?
What? In what world is a casual going to do mid-high M+ keys, if they even touch mythic dungeons at all? Unless you mean WoW is doing something like XIV’s NPC companions for dungeons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
mythic+ isn't content
2 years ago
Anonymous
agree, it's the laziest cancer that has ever been implemented into wow
Because casuals have the tendency to just let go and find other games and hobbies if they're bored. And I don't mean that in a negative way, not every casual is a noob. They just don't get as addicted to the grind, they might buy the expansion at start and then drop it 2 months later to not return for next 2 years. I knew a warrior like this from my guild, the guy was like a top 5 warrior on our realm according to logs and m+ if he was actually trying but he just cba once the game boiled down to raidlogging and often went MIA for 6-12 months.
From a Blizzard's perspective these players aren't good for business, they prefer addicted apes who will stay subbed forever, preferably bad enough to shill out tokens and buy boosting services for CE, +15 and PvP titles. Blizzard ideas and game design makes perfect sense the moment you assume every decision boils down to extracting maximum amount of cash from players.
Casuals never stuck around
Even at its peak of cultural popularity most players weren't even hitting cap before quitting, never mind staying there for an extended time
It'll be a lot better for me. I used to frick around with random builds in vanilla and BC. The talents were more fun back then because there were genuinely more choices. Looking like there is a frickload of choice in Dragonflight. So I'm sure I'll enjoy experimenting with different things.
Why do people keep falling for this?
Why do people not remember Blizzard's constant failures, broken promises, and lies?
Why do people refuse to see the cycle for what it is: a 'redemption'-based marketing scheme that makes money by luring customers back with promises of a 'return to the good old days'?
You're being played like a damn fiddle, stop falling for it. Go play something better, like Baba Is You, or some shit.
>Be Blizz >Frick up last expansion >Promise that we will do better >Make expansion full of shitty stuff >Get called out in the alpha >"Don't worry it's working as intended" >Shit goes live >People hate it >"Fix it" in the last patch >Promise to listen and do better next expansion >NPCs cheer
Because, bear with me for this one, the competition is EVEN worse. MMOs as a genre just disappeared into a swamp of autism and clamoring for the dregs of mankind, openly and desperately begging for whales to show up, offering lordship over the autismos for any thick wallet. The entire genre is like that, worse than gacha these days, all korean grindan shit. The old western MMOs of the 90s are super fricking gone, they are almost mythical at this point, the brief renaissance WoW brought in the 00s is also gone, all the clones are fricking DEAD so only eternal grindan and korean cashgrabs remain.
Besides, the internet has moved on. the concept of an MMO isnt as interesting or special when everyone is 24/7 online on a gorillion social media simultaneously. The magic and mystique surrounding them 20-30 years ago is long, long gone.
WoW continues to be the Lich King of the genre, sitting rotting on its throne, kept alive by necroing more and more versions of classic, but never really replaced or going away, cause as long there are 4-5 thousand autismos out there, maintaining a server for them is profitable.
WoW will never die.
If Guild Wars 2 can still get expansions, WoW will get expansions for another 10 years.
There is no need to revive it because it will never die.
>Wanted playable dragon for the longest time in WoW since I started playing when I was 13 >It gets in >The design sucks and isn't the big beefy dragon I wanted >plus the game has gone to shit
Damn shame. I need my playable dragon fix.
I don't give a frick. The only tolerable way to play is in a premade and I can't be bothered anymore spending every sunday evening for 2 years doing the same shit.
I keep hearing the term maintenance expansion, and I hope it is. The game is almost 20 years old and it needs a lot of work to get it more up to date. Just a fast refresh of an expansion that lasts like a year and a half.
They were on the right track with timewalking dungeons and raids. They should just give players the ability to scale down in level to the zone/content. Not sure why this hasn't happened yet.
It really doesn't make sense. They have a better lore explanation than most to be going back in time. I just want to do some old dungeons I enjoyed every once and awhile, it doesn't even have to be a source of cutting edge gear or anything. Just level me down and put me in a group with current level 20 alts or new players, if those exist.
Yeah, like I said, it's not a good source of current tier gearing. Come up with some other rewards for it, transmogs, etc. Or just because it's fun. The game turning into a loot treadmill is what has made it suck. It's all about gear now.
>You cant make this shit up.
also you can use a male voice in a female body, so gross. it doesn't even make sense either because if transgenders could, they would just turn into male or female. not exist as an abomination. it doesn't even make sense in wow because there's magic.
This is what I dont fricking get. Even if we accept the premise of wanting to be a woman as legit, then why on earth they would want to be a gangled, misshapen horror? Why not just roll a female character then?
Cause then they don't get the attention they believe they deserve, and they're subconsciously incapable of not grasping this and can't roll what they believe themselves to be cause they're aware on some level they aren't.
Kek, you can't make it up. Microsoft can't take over fast enough. The franchise is too valuable just to leave to these troons that don't even like the game or its fans.
>The franchise is too valuable
not any more, if they actually made money they'd be able to hire a QA team instead of having the players playtest everything (and then ignore all the feedback, lmao)
They still make money hand over fist. They're paying the diversity hires a fraction of what a capable person would get I'll bet. And the IP is valuable even if it isn't being used to full capacity right now. WoW was a literal money printer from like 2004 to 2010.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WoW was a literal money printer
key word: was
people like the idea of playing wow more than actually playing it, the servers are ghost towns.
Just...why is it always the "trying too hard" e-girl look that they go for? You're a 36 year old MtF trans woman. You can't pull of the look of a 22 year old OF model. You just look silly.
WoW died after wrath and was in decline because that's all we wanted to see. We had Illidan and we finished out lich kings saga which was what every warcraft 3 player wanted. Nobody gave a shit about dragons, pandas, more orcs, or any of that shit. It was just the legion and Arthas. Once he was out of the picture the game was done for
>playing for the story
Anyway, they are (were) capable of pulling together other bits of unrelated lore and even making new lore, like Yogg'Saron and Ulduar, which is one of the best raids of all time. The story was good, but it really came down to the raid being fun and great bosses.
What a contrarian opinion. Name ten better WoW raids. I'll wait. Since I know you won't, I'll list some others that demonstrate the point I was making
Karazhan
ZA
ZG (though Hakkar had been introduced previously)
Kara is utter fricking dogshit
It's so fricking boring and a slog to get through
This is just moronic nostalgia posting.
Better raids:
Firelands
ToT
SoO
BRF
HFC
EN
NH
ToS
Antorous
Battle of Dazaralor
And these aren't even close. Ulduar gets utterly mogged by all of them and probably still beaten by T11, 14, Highmaul & Nathria
EN is crap and firelands is a fricking brown field
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon keep in mind that for a wow player, raid quality = amount of times world first raiders died on bosses.
Doesn't matter that they themselves never did the raid, it's a quality raid if the last boss took 500+ pulls.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And that brown field had bosses that completely blow Ulduar away
anon keep in mind that for a wow player, raid quality = amount of times world first raiders died on bosses.
Doesn't matter that they themselves never did the raid, it's a quality raid if the last boss took 500+ pulls.
Yeah dude ToT is on every actual raiders list because Ra-den was such a huge challenge right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ulduar is superior to FL in every way. What an absolutely terrible take.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rag alone mogs all of Ulduar wrathbaby
2 years ago
Anonymous
Whatever, anon. You're ignoring my original point that they don't have to kill off or include some well known characters to make a good raid tier. Throne of Thunder is a great example too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The original post literally said its about having good bosses which Ulduar is surpassed many times over by most subsequent tiers
WoW has has many literal who bosses that nobody ends up caring about because the gameplay is the only thing that matters in a raid in the end. Coasting by on style on works on classic boomers
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay, fine well I chose another on your list, ToT, so you must agree that was a great raid even though it had zero basis in the established lore. Even Blizz recognized they were killing off their greatest characters too quickly in BC with Kael'thas. The difference is they had writing and development talent back then and now they don't. If they can replace the diversity hires they've made over the years and get some actual talent that appreciates the game and its fan base and doesn't want to just force their homosexual pedo agenda down everyone's throat, maybe the game can be good again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>so you must agree that was a great raid even though it had zero basis in the established lore.
Sure, but not because of who Lei Shen or how he was written is or whatever. Hes just generic bad guy. Lei Shen could be swapped to LIGHTNING HAKKAR or something and the raid still would have been just as good, nobody gave a shit about Lei Shen as a character. >Even Blizz recognized they were killing off their greatest characters too quickly in BC with Kael'thas
Except they went right into Arthas the next expac so clealy not >The difference is they had writing and development talent back then
TBC is an absolute fricking mess writing wise, so no. Massive retcons across the board, villain batting Kael and Illidan(retconned again later), the whole avatar of the sunwell and kalecgos shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, that's my point. You don't need an Illidan or Arthas or Kael'Thas to have a great raid tier because ultimately it comes down to the encounters and the overall feel of the raid. ToT and Isle of Thunder were great experiences even if Lei Shen wasn't all that interesting himself, the story was compelling enough. >Except they went right into Arthas the next expac so clealy not
There are interviews which prove you wrong. The ball was in motion and they said themselves that no one expected WoW to gain the popularity that it did. I never said the writing was perfect back in the early days (and they recognized and admitted this with Kael) but they weren't wasting time trying to shoehorn everything to fit their social agenda. They were just trying to make a fun game and I think they did. Vanilla, TBC and wrath were some of the best times I have had in vidya.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The writing has always been shit, since Vanilla, but because the game was actually fun, and not full of aspergers and angry neckbeards. Even Kaplan said at one of the early Blizzcon panels that they were "design a game, not a fricking novel."
You could ignore the shitty writing and recons and all that, because getting online with friends in your guild and shooting the shit and having fun on vent during a raid made up for it.
Now, wow is a solo experience, because even in guilds nobody talks to each other. You're just an NPC to other players, and you treat other people like NPCs. Epeen has always been a thing with gaming, but WoW catered to it so hard, that's all that's left playing, tryhards like Asmondgoblin. You know Blizzard is feeling a little desperate when they actually allow Asmondgoblin to talk to the devs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
at first wow scarcely had a story, there's places and you go to them and adventure there, then it becomes capeshit in wotlk
2 years ago
Anonymous
>because getting online with friends in your guild and shooting the shit and having fun on vent during a raid
Theres nothing stopping you from doing this
On the contrary, with an actually relevant dungeon endgame theres more to do with your friends than pre-legion WoW ever had
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hey dude wanna play troonycraft? >no
well shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Theres nothing stopping you from doing this
Well, other than nobody I know actually still playing wow, sure.
And, the assumption that I'll ever have the Blizzard launcher on my computer ever again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's hard to find a good guild, wow is full of misanthropic losers
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the story was compelling enough
I dont think anyone could actually tell you the isle of thunder story >There are interviews which prove you wrong.
Words in retrospect mean nothing, they rolled out Arthas as the very next boss. The only character theyve ever actually sat on is Azshara
And you keep saying Kael as if Illidan and KJ werent just as egregious. And Vashj. TBC was just a nonstop trainwreck from any sort of writing perspective but people DONT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT LORE >They were just trying to make a fun game and I think they did. Vanilla, TBC and wrath were some of the best times I have had in vidya.
All the delusions people have had about Vanilla and TBC were quickly dispelled by classic, same will happen for wrath soon. You were just a kid and enjoyed being a kid and socializing on the internet. Under even the slightest bit of scrutiny the gameplay falls apart
2 years ago
Anonymous
IoT and Zandalari alliance against the Pandaren was good
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You were just a kid and enjoyed being a kid and socializing on the internet.
This. By the time Wrath came out, people in my office I had no clue gamed at all were playing WoW. Then Cata drove them all away.
WoW was huge because few other games had the social aspect - anyone under 20 has no clue what it was like back then. It was babbies first social game for millions of people. That was the appeal. My guild kept me playing up through Wrath, period. They're still friends, even though they quit during cata.
Preach said it best, don't play modern wow unless you have real life friends playing, or can make friends easily and can find a guild that actually communicates. Otherwise, don't bother, because it's a hellacious experience for a casual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The issue is that the gameplay is so much more smoother than all the other tab target mmorpgs. Just hopped back in, just to level some chars, which is one of the few things I still enjoy about retail. Will quit after a few weeks and then get back into wc3.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And what the frick do you do in wrath without friends or a guild
just run your 1 chore heroic a day for 5 months to get a few pieces of gear?
Wrath had NOTHING to do, people just had lower standards or for normalgays 0 standards as always but WoW was popular at the time
The fact that you still think there was any gameplay aspect holding up Wrath means you really dont understand, it was ENTIRELY the social scenario of early internet chat + being part of the current popular scene normies flock to every few months. The video game equivalent of Stranger Things
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're very angry considering how fricking wrong you are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Please tell me what Wrath has to do that retail doesnt
really could use a good laugh
You can even run the same raid on 4 modes a week like ToGC because that dogshit was such a homerun
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's still going, folks, lol. And he's still so wrong, he's changing the definition of wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not a ton of troony homosexual content >no body type 2 shit >content is simple enough to be completed with a pick up group allowing for guilds to feel confident when recruiting >economy while still invested with bots is no where as near fricked as current wow is >rep is as simple as throwing on a tabard and finding 4 mother frickers to grind with
modern wow sucks Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
so no actual content that makes wrath any less boring than retail lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not a ton of troony homosexual content >no body type 2 shit
literally not gameplay
is simple enough to be completed with a pick up group allowing for guilds to feel confident when recruiting
People pug heroic raids and +20 keys in retail. >economy while still invested with bots is no where as near fricked as current wow is
susanexpress sends their regards >rep is as simple as throwing on a tabard and finding 4 mother frickers to grind with
The only relevant rep in Wrath was sons and it didnt have a tabard. You also cant grind oracles at all
If you want to grind a red drake you can do that on retail too since thats about all a tabard was good for
2 years ago
Anonymous
>heroic raids
so where does the best gear come from?
2 years ago
Anonymous
the version you cant pug, just like wrath 🙂
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you want to grind a red drake you can do that on retail too since thats about all a tabard was good for
Cringe, just wait till timewalking and buy the rep
2 years ago
Anonymous
That gameplay is almost fifteen years old now. Yeah if you're judging it by modern standards there are going to be glaring flaws, but at the time vanilla, TBC and a lot of wrath were 9.5/10. And a lot of normies did just want to see how the story played out, particularly Arthas. It was obviously a mistake to burn through almost all the good characters from the established lore, and they admitted it. But my point is that it wasn't a huge problem up until recently since they seem incapable of creating any semblance of a coherent story, interesting character or narrative for the expansion (SL was much worse than even BfA, and DF seems like it's going to set the bar even lower). In the past they could just asspull a Yogg'Saron or Lai Shen, design a good raid around it and players were happy.
When did you start playing? Are you sure you played these when they were current? Anyway, most people disagree with you, and many on your list also prove my point. ToT had zero basis in lore, and was incredible.
Hit enter before I listed ToT, which is a prime example. Zero lore around a newly created Thunder King and the raid and island were fricking fantastic, both from a story and mechanics standpoint.
WoW would have been a legendary game if it maintained the design philosophy behind Ulduar. The move to 4 different preset difficulties was what ultimately killed the raiding scene for casuals.
It's just a last ditch effort to squeeze money out of people
The new profession system is made so that people will have to buy gold to get anywhere. Much like the legendary system in shadowlands people are going to spend millions of gold on making stuff before the expansion is over. The market is going to be controlled by people with multiple accounts and dozens of characters, all leveled with boosts.
The dragon-people intro area is kind of fun. They start off with a gliding mechanic that isn't brain dead. Decent abilities, although not very hard hitting. I could see it attracting a lot of new players.
>my brother was a hardcore WoW player, had almost every collector's edition and had never uninstall WoW in his entire life >yesterday he told me that he uninstalled wow and will not get the newest expansion's CE
Holy shit I never thought this game would come
You have to REALLY frick it up if a wowgay like my brother stops being interested in wow
It will limp along. There's enough sunken cost no-lifers to keep it going. They're even getting the ass chapped streamers back in. But that incompetent c**t Hazzanexcuse is still running the clown car, so frick that noise. And, after Diablo Immoral, frick that company.
Seriously, fricking Preach. Takes a stand on Blizzard being a shitpile...and now he's back in. Fricking WoW addiction, it's like they figured out how to embed cocaine into the client.
I once hope MS would save it, but they should just sell off most of the IP and keep the data centers.
It's going to be marketed as a "return to form" and "wow is back!!!!" to get a ton of suckers back in as well as the youtube grifters who were """"""done""""""" with WoW
Probably going to start off with higher numbers than SL but go back down again as everyone realizes nothing has really changed from battle for azerite to sneedolands to scalieflight
>story is dogshit, following after Shadowlands, and continues the down trend in quality we've been seeing since BfA, resulting in even less player satisfaction, retention, etc.
Or
>story is essentially a soft-reboot that handwaves the colossal mound of shit that was Shadowlands, effectively ignoring the metaphysical nonsense the previous expansion introduced and focusing on a completely new plot
Which itself has two branching paths: >new story is totally shit, resulting in the aforementioned reduction of player satisfaction, etc.
Or
>new story is actually enjoyable, resulting in player growth
The tl;dr is that WoW is fighting an uphill battle against itself. If the development team (and I mean the entire development team, writing staff included) can't get their shit together, the game is doomed. The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode, so if that's actually true, then their dealing with a full deck of cards stacked against them. Only time will really tell, but given that 2/3 possibilities are shit, it's not looking good.
Read what I wrote again: >The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode, so if that's actually true, then their dealing with a full deck of cards stacked against them.
If they are in maintenance mode (which is unlikely but that's irrelevant to what I said), then the development will be more difficult than it already is. Whether or not maintenance mode is true, they still need to contend with the development choices made in the previous expansions, resulting in development that will be difficult.
>The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode
Anyone who believes that a game still having a massive dev team, company focus, and is selling expansions is in "maintenance mode" is literally moronic. Even bringing it up as a laughable rumor is fricking moronic, and doesn't serve any point being attempted because it's such a fricking moronic idea.
Read what I wrote again: >The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode, so if that's actually true, then their dealing with a full deck of cards stacked against them.
If they are in maintenance mode (which is unlikely but that's irrelevant to what I said), then the development will be more difficult than it already is. Whether or not maintenance mode is true, they still need to contend with the development choices made in the previous expansions, resulting in development that will be difficult.
Of all the things I said that's what you attack? It's the least important part, and I said it was a rumor, not a fact.
This is the first expansion I won't touch since I skipped Cata. In fact I can''t wait to call my dumb friends Black folk when they try to drag me into this horseshit. >Imagine hating what this game has become so much that you are willing to risk friendships if people DARE to suggest you play it together
yep, blizzard lives in my head rent free idc
Neither. Why does everything have to be an extreme. It will see a huge jump at launch then fall off when the grind starts and people finish the story and get to max level. Same as always.
People will buy as always, and tbhb 4 weeks in as always.
Blizzard will have gotten your money for buying the expansion and be happy with that, then leave the loyal blizzgay paypigs wait 6 months before the first content patch.
WoW is the marvel cinematic universe of gaming. It's just a soulless corporate product with a new addition every 2-3 years to keep the cattle coming back.
Revival.
As long as Blizzard actually learned their fricking lesson this time and can just let people play the game modes they enjoy, it'll be a 9/10 expansion.
Like it or not, WoW's core gameplay is still the best in the genre. Final Trantasy is only fun if you're a parseBlack person, GW2 still has a long way to go, ESO is alright if you like the animation cancelling thing but otherwise shit.
Because at the moment it seems like it IS the case >no forced grinds >no secondary progression >master loot back >crafting allows you to get bis gear now
I can find very little wrong with the current state of things
and they can easily do that to the crafting for example, just wait
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>crafting is timegated and a grind
so like literally always?
Cloth lockouts, Alchemy lockouts, BoP raid mats, needing to burn through dozens of shitty items leveling that just got vendored or DE'd instantly
2 years ago
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Now just add some shitty daily quest zone that drops specific mats you can't get anywhere else and yeah you're starting to get it
2 years ago
Anonymous
sounds like a crafter problem, all I need to do is farm gold for commissions
2 years ago
Anonymous
they're soulbound so you have to farm them yourself, other people can craft the item for you though
you want that bis item that increases your dps by a ton, right?
2 years ago
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RAID drops are soulbound, yes, so all I actually need to do outside of raid is farm gold for commissions
2 years ago
Anonymous
raid drops are only 1/3rd of what you need
the daily farm they will inevitably add will give you another 1/3rd
and then there's random crafting materials you get off the AH for the final 1/3rd
Look forward to it
2 years ago
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>source: my ass
2 years ago
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Yes
2 years ago
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Surely you have some proof of this and aren't just spewing shit out of your ass.
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they haven't added it yet, just wait
they fricked up everything people liked in previous alphas and they're not going to buck the trend
>As long as Blizzard actually learned their fricking lesson this time and can just let people play the game modes they enjoy, it'll be a 9/10 expansion.
And somehow they still always end up being released unfinished in WoW’s case.
Dragonsward is going to be the most content starved “expansion” in the game’s history.
>Kill >Revive
It will do neither, and I'm not sure why people always talk about WoW and it's expansions with such high stakes. WoW will never reach the same kind of cultural relevance that it had 12 years ago. Dragonflight will come out, hopefully provide some hours of entertainment, and that's ok.
Neither. Blizzdrones will never stop defending it but it will never recover those who weren't braindead enough not to recognize this garbage for what it is.
Just...why is it always the "trying too hard" e-girl look that they go for? You're a 36 year old MtF trans woman. You can't pull of the look of a 22 year old OF model. You just look silly.
I intend to play dragonlands regardless of what Ganker says because the combat and gameplay in WoW is always fun as long as it doesnt involve vehicle combat
who even gives a frick about these world first raid races anyway? blizzard has been chasing a nonexistent esports crowd for a decade now and the best they can manage is getting 200k views on their israelitetube channel
Like every expansion, it'll increase subs for 3 months. Then they will drop off again, briefly increasing with each large content patch for a month. It's a cycle thats been going on since the "tuning" patch after Cata because heroics were "too hard" for all the casuals that joined during Wraths massive ad campaign.
"smooth combat" is the new "grizzly hills music is goat"
too many people keep repeating it that it has to be a streamer meme or a line from the paid shill advertising material
It is as welcoming as it has ever been, it introduces mechanics and abilities very well, and theyve pruned so much i doubt even a moron could get overwhelmed. There's a few different ways you can level, through an island or choosing one of the previous expansions.
>what's the new player experience like?
It is fricking terrible and that's why the game doesn't get many new players.
Your first ten levels are spent doing a handcrafted, one-of-a-kind tutorial that came out in 2020. Then you go do content from one of the worst expansions that the game ever had for the next 50 levels. There aren't going to be that many people around and there's no reason to interact with anyone else anyways during regular leveling. Then you hit that expansion's level cap and have to drop everything you are doing to go to the new expansion (none of the story threads you experience will be resolved because they were all endgame content, which doesn't scale and can't be done solo) for your last ten levels.
Then once you hit cap in the new expansion, you have to start grinding quests that introduce you to systems from the first patch of the expansion. Once you've done enough of those, all of those systems will be discarded and you will instead have to do more quests to learn the systems of the second patch. And then once you've done enough of those, all of those will be discarded so you can be introduced to the third set of systems from the newest patch.
And then, once you've done that, you can start doing dungeons and raids. Except, if you try to do any dungeons, you will be subject to verbal abuse from other players unless you know exactly how to perform the mechanics. This goes doubly for raids, but you can only really do the current raid, because nobody runs the other ones after they stop being current, not even ones from the same expansion.
I would bet probably 80% of the remaining playerbase are people who played it from 2004-10 when these problems weren't as apparent and who are now blinded by nostalgia
>but you can only really do the current raid
The current raid is only a couple of token purchases away. Nobody tries to do the content anymore, it's all paid boosting. Even the President of Blizzard does it openly.
Retail WoW is a bunch of raging try hard buttholes who buy AOTC so they can gatekeep and sneer at people in pugs. If there's any decent guilds left, they don't go near the rest of the game, and other players. Even the World First Race players buy tokens to buy AH gear to game the system. Like, 20K worth. Which they pay back with boosting.
Seriously it's so shit no matter when you join in on the expansion
If you start right as it comes out half the systems are broken as frick and boring because they need content stretched out
If you join late it is usually no longer broken but now you have to navigate through the dozen or so currencies, reps, and zones from previous patches that are now completely worthless before you can actually start with current stuff
Shadowlands has been a massive flop and Blizz knows it. I wouldn't be surprised if they just pretend it never happened and reference it as sparingly as possible from now on. They already removed some dialogue about it in the beta.
It's shocking to me Ion is still there - ironically, the sexual abuse scandal and aftermath might have saved his ass. Danuser, i can't explain - they fired Kosak from the team for WOD and his writing, but Danuser still has a job?
Any other studio, the higher ups would have cleared the decks for the failure at the level of Shadowlands, but some creepy frickers HAD to steal breast milk.
And, they have Diablo Immoral to prop the company up, for a while. I haven't heard any numbers in a while, but the whales showed up, as expected.
Amazon's MMO is still there, so who the frick knows what could actually kill a game like WoW.
>he higher ups would have cleared the decks for the failure at the level of Shadowlands
it literally had record breaking sales
stop believing shit you read on Ganker
2 years ago
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It has a "fastest selling" record which is literal meaningless pilpul market speak to make it look appealing
2 years ago
Anonymous
it means that they had a ton of sales at launch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it means it outsold other expansions during a small and arbitrary window before the game's launch
2 years ago
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>it literally had record breaking sales
Day one sales, lol. You fricking WOW addicted pathetic c**t.
2 years ago
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And? Is wow somehow unique in having online sales? Its popularity is still clearly dwarfing many games including every other mmo
>Almost destroys the entire afterlife, tries to help a guy destroy the universe for the luls >Don't kill him, stick his soul in a sword and leave it under an unsecured, open air heat lamp
Nah don't you understand? The end of Dragonflight will have Murozond connect Azeroth to parallel Azeroth (Draenor timeline) because Murozond is betraying the titans.
So he's planning to rescue Sargeras by bringing Parallel Medivh to the main timeline. Since there's only one Sargeras that means that by bringing Parallel Medivh (possessed by Sargeras like he was in the past) he finds a way to break his main body away from the titan prison.
Boom. that's the next expansion. Parallel Azeroth, Sargeras bad guy.
it's still canon that there's only one legion and only one titan pantheon across timelines. there is no alternate azeroth.
AU's are just figments that pop up occasionally and eventually fade when left undisturbed.
look at all the fricking addicts lol
wow has been shit since the end of vanilla and carried on for almost 20 years now because of it
every expansion has sucked ass and yet you're going to buy the new one like a bunch of crackheads lol
eat shit raid homosexuals and parse troons
Just another nail in the coffin.
How many nails does a coffin need? Jesus there’s been so many at this point, can hardly see the wood at all anymore.
You need a nuke more than nails for that
WoW is too big to just die off instantly, just like CoD, give it time.....all things end one way or another
Ask the WoW cult of sunk cost.
it's not a coffin it's a nail bomb
It wont do either everyone will buy it then leave again after a month or two and go right back to b***hing like usual. WOWcucks dont have the balls to actually leave they just cry a hell of a lot.
Yup and this is exactly why Blizzard are increasing it's price up front because they already know it's going to flop kek
I left after WotLK, came back for Legion because my buddies were on, and then left and haven’t even thought about going back considering how awful the game looks now.
Game's been dead for years now. Just move on.
>Flying at start means people will burn through any content
>Only 4 zones
>Even less endgame content
They're literally banking on furries afking to jack off over the dragon NPCs.
alexstrasza becomes an unlikable dyke because that's all blizzard can write
>alexstraza
>bringer of life
>has sex all the time to reproduce
>dyke
yeah, I dont believe you anon
she's already getting covered up like sylvanas, you know it's coming
I don't know how to tell you, but this expansion already said her incest love to her sister 100 time more powerful than her straight relationship. L
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/A_Token_of_Lost_Love
It's fricking true lol
The troon writers will make it so she learns to trib babies out instead
They gave her a deep husky voice in the cinematic, OPs pic makes her look like a man. Its already in the cards.
>he doesn't know about alex X ysera
oh no no no
Frick Alextraza, she had one job and she fricked it up. You people only like her because shes got big dragon milkers.
You think yourself smart for realizing that?
A women has no inherent value beyond her milkers, not even a dragonqueen.
I've been out of the PC gaming scene for so long, but I feel like there are fewer and fewer people who like spending hours sitting at a KB+M.
This game has been out for like 15 years and Blizzard had zero interest in making any sort of controller support
I will play a Goblin assasin rogue
the only cool thing about it is the new flight mechanics but its limited to the expansion areas unless you play the gay scalie race
more shitty borrowed power trash they worked so hard on only to bin it next expac
>but its limited to the expansion areas
Jesus fricking Christ, Blizzard.
>but its limited to the expansion areas unless you play the gay scalie race
this shits moronic. the gay lizards prove that the new flying doesn't break any old area but they won't let everyone do it.
how could it break anything more than the current unlimited noclip flying
If you’re not trolling that’s so fricking dumb, reminds me of demon hunters and their movement that is like 10x better than any other class because reasons
>more shitty borrowed power trash they worked so hard on only to bin it next expac
please no
please god no
I don't think this one will have borrowed power so that's good. The flight is only for those zones now, but they said they hope players will enjoy it enough that they ask for it for the rest of the world. I try to go into these with an open mind and make my own decisions once I play it, but this does look like an anemic expansion. Hopefully they are mainly bringing things up to date, but it is coming out in like five months or less. That's not much time for testing and feedback.
it's dead on arrival
Game has been in maintenance mode for how many years by now? Six? Eight? The entirety of BfA and Shadowlands were filler,they threw everything under the bus now, titans, Legion, old gods, etc. thaty why they are having to make up cringe OCs now who have akshually been controlling everything all along.
Gameplay is also dogshit, with only literal sunk cost addicts still holding out, but due to the way psychology works, these whales purchasing every single zero effort cash shop minipet, mount and other shit are never going to leave and as long they have a couple thousand of these, a couple dozen thousand oldgays and sweaty raiders who doesnt know any better games to play and a couple hundred thousand seasonal losers who by the new expansion pack and play for like two weeks before realizing its shit, its profitable and they can keep it going with minimal crews of interns.
This isn't the blizzard of the early 2000s, trying to sell you a flagship product based on their most popular IP, like Mercedes-Benz directly trying to sell you an S-class with guarantees, warranty, customization and everything. Its some neighborhood Honest Joe's trying to sell you a jalopy that is turning 20 in two years and been through so many owners and repairs that barely if anything of the original one remains.
>Game has been in maintenance mode for how many years by now?
None? Because your 13 year old coomer brain doesn't know what maintenance mode is, where there is NO development on a game, and the c**ts at Blizzard are throwing all of their workers at this shitshow game, even buying a third party developer studio to pitch in.
Would you like to post more crap from your rotted brain where you fundamentally don't understand a phrase?
it'll be okay but boring since all they're doing is bringing old systems back and giving professions a small touchup.
the expansion after this is the one where we see if they actually bother doing anything cool and gamechanging
>BUT DEWD THEY ARE TOTALLY BRINGING BACK STUFF NOW AND MAKE THEM GOOD,
How many FRICKING times did we hear that, marketer-kun? I vividly remember all that WoD shilling going on, how the "game is going back to its roots" and "will be just like BC!" among all the promised revamps and rollbacks.
And of course, it was fricking shit. Shit in ways that people fresh off the street would have immediately told you, but actiblizz was unable or unwilling to address.
>And of course, it was fricking shit
After classic that makes sense because it was just like TBC
>the expansion after this is the one where we see if they actually bother doing anything cool and gamechanging
LOL, no. Not with Ion Hazzac**t in charge. He's incapable of taking risks.
>new race are literal troony lizards
>BODY TYPE A BODY TYPE B
>new talent trees are an abomination
>no new content that hasn't already be done before
>will piss off mount collectors (half the playerbase) by restricting you to 1 dragon
>no borrowed power so all classes will be bland
>profession gear will make the game more p2w through wow tokens
it's kill
we will all have to wait for Legion private servers to enjoy peak wow again
>Body type A, body type B
>Voice: male, voice: female
You cant make this shit up.
>no borrowed power so all classes will be bland
Wow, its like a cow getting zapped by the electric fence again and again until it almost learned something.
>profession gear will make the game more p2w through wow tokens
moronic take. Professions mattering again is one of the very very few good decisions they have made. It would have almost worked if they came up with it ten years ago, too little, too late now. Also, "p2w" literally doesnt fricking matter at all, they have GDKPs, boosting, sellruns, etc. due to goblins sitting literal millions of gold and sometimes releasing it back to the economy. Basically every MMO is P2W now because of the social environment changing, it takes about 10 minutes of googling to find a chinese or russian dude willing to sell you fake currency or boost you in any random fricking obscure MMO with two hundred players, or buy complete accounts, keys, gear, whatever. The vidya grey economy is too well established now to design around.
Because in their heads, forcing EVERYONE to do the same content, farming the same raids, going through the same motions every day somehow equalizes the sweaty raider with the keyboard turning hunter. Its like some fricked up vision of e-communism
Are MMOs just not relevant anymore? Or is Blizzard that incompetent? Classic had a little something for everyone. You could be a Profession guy, farming and making shit, even crafted gear was in demand. You could be a raider, or a PvP rank grinder. There was a sense of community, and even casuals could find their niche.
Now, it’s literally just all about raiding. That’s it. Just raiding and M+. There’s nothing there for shitters.
Look at WOTLK. That had plenty to keep casual shitters entertained and subbed, even if they weren’t hardcore. Are zoomers just not into MMOs?
>Look at WOTLK. That had plenty to keep casual shitters entertained and subbed, even if they weren’t hardcore. Are zoomers just not into MMOs?
Wotlk didn't have the competition in form of MOBAs and battle royales which do basically the same thing but better when it comes to quick in and out competitive gameplay that's suited to your personal ability via matchmaking.
WoW is still (barely) an RPG so getting some pity rewards from LFR, normal and hc because you're not good enough to "get the real thing" never feels good. Casuals don't play a different champion in normals or gold of league of legend, they get the same feeling of accomplishment as a diamond or challenger player. This isn't the case with MMORPGS with difficulty levels where you're constantly reminded by presence of others that you're not good enough to get that cool mount or title (while paying the same amount of cash as CE groups) - It's a terrible design flaw.
>You cant make this shit up.
also you can use a male voice in a female body, so gross. it doesn't even make sense either because if transgenders could, they would just turn into male or female. not exist as an abomination. it doesn't even make sense in wow because there's magic.
>Professions mattering again
Only if Blizz takes proper care of bot farming.
bot farming won't be an issue, they'll timegate the shit out of certain materials so only about 1/3rd to 1/5th of an item is made with bot farmable materials
the only issue will be that people can't farm leather/herbs/ores to sell for good money. But you can just buy a token to remedy that problem
>Legion
Abhorrent taste
Legion was pretty fun anon, and while the lore was kind of a retread it was still better than anything since mop or after
>Illidan is the magic prophecy child and can 1v1 sargeras for eternity
Stop
Furries got in the door with BfA. It was over, then. When you start appealing to that degenerate crowd, it's over.
Although I will concede that the BfA furry class isn't as fricking creepy as this new one. But they openly have trannies in their videos now, so I expect some wierdo in a fox costume for the dev videos for the release of this new clown car expansion.
Continuous slow death. All normal and functioning human beings left WoW years ago including casuals, normies, humans with friends and hobbies, grown ups and people who aren't mentally ill (yes, the bar is that low).
The mentally ill addicted paypigs and third worlders who keep making money on boosting and selling glad titles will keep playing this lgbtq+ friendly mess until Blizzard gets dissolved or they all die. But there's ZERO new blood in modern WoW.
This. I’ve always wondered though, WHY does Blizzard hate it’s casual playerbase so much? They have to have the metrics that show 95% of people never even touch a Heroic raid, right? Why don’t they add in more casual friendly shit?
if anything blizzard panders to solo players too much
constantly adding timegated grinds to unlock a mount recolor isn't good solo player content.
With what though? WQs that are over in 30 minutes? LFR that takes a literal day to actually get into? Pet battles? There’s just… no fricking content.
You’re right, but that’s also killing the game and driving people away.
like the 1-5 player instances they keep adding, literally the only thing withheld from solo players is AOTC mounts
What? In what world is a casual going to do mid-high M+ keys, if they even touch mythic dungeons at all? Unless you mean WoW is doing something like XIV’s NPC companions for dungeons.
mythic+ isn't content
agree, it's the laziest cancer that has ever been implemented into wow
the game is made by raiders (like Ion) for raiders. The casuals are just paying to keep the game running while the raider chads do the real content
Because casuals have the tendency to just let go and find other games and hobbies if they're bored. And I don't mean that in a negative way, not every casual is a noob. They just don't get as addicted to the grind, they might buy the expansion at start and then drop it 2 months later to not return for next 2 years. I knew a warrior like this from my guild, the guy was like a top 5 warrior on our realm according to logs and m+ if he was actually trying but he just cba once the game boiled down to raidlogging and often went MIA for 6-12 months.
From a Blizzard's perspective these players aren't good for business, they prefer addicted apes who will stay subbed forever, preferably bad enough to shill out tokens and buy boosting services for CE, +15 and PvP titles. Blizzard ideas and game design makes perfect sense the moment you assume every decision boils down to extracting maximum amount of cash from players.
Picture unrelated?
Yep. I just really, really like Gothic 2.
They add in tons of casual shit and massive amounts of welfare. Raids are the only challenging thing in game.
Yet it doesn’t help at all. Are people just not interested in WoW as a whole?
Casuals never stuck around
Even at its peak of cultural popularity most players weren't even hitting cap before quitting, never mind staying there for an extended time
Because the senior devs are wizard level neckbeards, duh.
Always were.
Nobody cares about your gay, furry, troony zombie ip Blizzard. Try facebook thats more your target age group now.
I'd frick the dragon and the human in that pic.
A new golden era for WoW begins with Dragonflight. The best days are ahead of us.
It'll be a lot better for me. I used to frick around with random builds in vanilla and BC. The talents were more fun back then because there were genuinely more choices. Looking like there is a frickload of choice in Dragonflight. So I'm sure I'll enjoy experimenting with different things.
Its literally just a game for furries now. I mean second life is still around so...
Why do people keep falling for this?
Why do people not remember Blizzard's constant failures, broken promises, and lies?
Why do people refuse to see the cycle for what it is: a 'redemption'-based marketing scheme that makes money by luring customers back with promises of a 'return to the good old days'?
You're being played like a damn fiddle, stop falling for it. Go play something better, like Baba Is You, or some shit.
The fact that Ion Hazzanexcuse and Steve 'the Hack" Danuser still being employed there means they haven't learned a god damned thing.
It's similar to battered wife syndrome anon. Except it's cringe cause they pay for it.
>Be Blizz
>Frick up last expansion
>Promise that we will do better
>Make expansion full of shitty stuff
>Get called out in the alpha
>"Don't worry it's working as intended"
>Shit goes live
>People hate it
>"Fix it" in the last patch
>Promise to listen and do better next expansion
>NPCs cheer
JUST DIE, ALREADY
WHY ARE YOU TRYING SO HARD TO LIVE?
Because, bear with me for this one, the competition is EVEN worse. MMOs as a genre just disappeared into a swamp of autism and clamoring for the dregs of mankind, openly and desperately begging for whales to show up, offering lordship over the autismos for any thick wallet. The entire genre is like that, worse than gacha these days, all korean grindan shit. The old western MMOs of the 90s are super fricking gone, they are almost mythical at this point, the brief renaissance WoW brought in the 00s is also gone, all the clones are fricking DEAD so only eternal grindan and korean cashgrabs remain.
Besides, the internet has moved on. the concept of an MMO isnt as interesting or special when everyone is 24/7 online on a gorillion social media simultaneously. The magic and mystique surrounding them 20-30 years ago is long, long gone.
WoW continues to be the Lich King of the genre, sitting rotting on its throne, kept alive by necroing more and more versions of classic, but never really replaced or going away, cause as long there are 4-5 thousand autismos out there, maintaining a server for them is profitable.
There are currently sub 1m subs to WoW.
There are more people paying for single western hentai games monthly than the most popular MMO of all time.
The game is dead. Tranoids are dead. Black folk cannot breathe. The israelites games are up.
>There are currently sub 1m subs to WoW.
source?
Neither. The game is a zombie already, all it is doing now is continuing to shamble on.
WoW will never die.
If Guild Wars 2 can still get expansions, WoW will get expansions for another 10 years.
There is no need to revive it because it will never die.
Gw2 survives on a larger cash shop and no sub fee.
WoWs sub fee makes it the most expensive games every single year.
We all saw the video comparing retail populations to classic TBC populations. NO ONE plays retail anymore and WoW is dead
>NO ONE plays retail anymore and WoW is dead
sauce
>We all saw the video comparing retail populations to classic TBC populations
i didnt, share that shit
Early morning Redridge had such an unique atmosphere.
I'm pretty sure they didn't even use the right lighting algorithms in classic 2019 like they did in vanilla 2005.
Hots 2.0 vibes
Except HotS was atleast a good game.
If LGBTPEDO+ was an expansion, it would be Dragonflight. There is nothing to return to anymore. WoW is completely butchered and dead. Move on
>Wanted playable dragon for the longest time in WoW since I started playing when I was 13
>It gets in
>The design sucks and isn't the big beefy dragon I wanted
>plus the game has gone to shit
Damn shame. I need my playable dragon fix.
Wait until its playable private server and some modder have the guts to do it
I don't give a frick. The only tolerable way to play is in a premade and I can't be bothered anymore spending every sunday evening for 2 years doing the same shit.
I keep hearing the term maintenance expansion, and I hope it is. The game is almost 20 years old and it needs a lot of work to get it more up to date. Just a fast refresh of an expansion that lasts like a year and a half.
i hate how WoW has been designed since Wotlk. Only the current patch matters and because of that you never really have any content to do.
They were on the right track with timewalking dungeons and raids. They should just give players the ability to scale down in level to the zone/content. Not sure why this hasn't happened yet.
it would be so easy to bring back an old raid every tier to supplement the tier i don't understand why they don't use timewalking more
It really doesn't make sense. They have a better lore explanation than most to be going back in time. I just want to do some old dungeons I enjoyed every once and awhile, it doesn't even have to be a source of cutting edge gear or anything. Just level me down and put me in a group with current level 20 alts or new players, if those exist.
problem is the old dungeons arent as mechanically difficult as the new so it would be too easy to grind gear in MC or BWL for modern WoW players
Yeah, like I said, it's not a good source of current tier gearing. Come up with some other rewards for it, transmogs, etc. Or just because it's fun. The game turning into a loot treadmill is what has made it suck. It's all about gear now.
make the ilvl a little lower, also tweak the encounters a bit so it's not exactly the same
Gonna stay in the muddle, cant kill this shit unless some high ceo that owns it close it or the entire office burn to the ground with all inside
Classic era is comfy but solved. Retail is a gay dead moronic gear treadmill game
Record sales followed by record user drop off. This will keep happening until Blizzard joins the rest of the dead studios owned by Activision.
More like Microsoft
Sneedolands killed the game, all Dragonflight will do is bury it
its still the biggest MMO in the world
More players than FF14?
At this point I'm looking forward to Microsoft taking over WoW.
Hopefully it kills it. I'm a 15 year WoW veteran and I'm just so completely turned off from the game at this point because of the idpol shit.
This is what I dont fricking get. Even if we accept the premise of wanting to be a woman as legit, then why on earth they would want to be a gangled, misshapen horror? Why not just roll a female character then?
That's what I do, I'd rather kms than act like the sort of people that want this shit.
Cause then they don't get the attention they believe they deserve, and they're subconsciously incapable of not grasping this and can't roll what they believe themselves to be cause they're aware on some level they aren't.
>female draenei with male draenei laugh
>actually any female player character with the male's voice
jesus fricking christ why do they have to absolutely frick over this game's basics and themes to suit their agenda
>female draenei with the family israeliteels /silly voice line
...based?
didn't they remove that one?
Yeah, they cut almost every /flirt line and all of the dirty joke lines too.
Because they went on a hiring spree to replace the Cosby Suite moron devs, and replaced them with 4th wave feminists and literal trannies.
This is who designs WoW now, an ugly dude with lemons in a training bra.
Kek, you can't make it up. Microsoft can't take over fast enough. The franchise is too valuable just to leave to these troons that don't even like the game or its fans.
>The franchise is too valuable
not any more, if they actually made money they'd be able to hire a QA team instead of having the players playtest everything (and then ignore all the feedback, lmao)
They still make money hand over fist. They're paying the diversity hires a fraction of what a capable person would get I'll bet. And the IP is valuable even if it isn't being used to full capacity right now. WoW was a literal money printer from like 2004 to 2010.
>WoW was a literal money printer
key word: was
people like the idea of playing wow more than actually playing it, the servers are ghost towns.
Just...why is it always the "trying too hard" e-girl look that they go for? You're a 36 year old MtF trans woman. You can't pull of the look of a 22 year old OF model. You just look silly.
that Frankenstein can't pull off a human look let alone anything else.
I don't care why. There's plenty of gasoline and matches for them and furries.
why can't body type 2 be topless?
>your wow account has been suspended indefinitely
wtf i'm cis now
You should have been turned off a long ass time ago from the game being a shitty timegate grind.
>posing the question as if there's even a chance it won't be irredeemable shit
Black person
It won't kill WoW but it won't revive it.
Each expansion is like taking something out of a box and repacking it in another.
how do you kill that which has no life?
WoW died after wrath and was in decline because that's all we wanted to see. We had Illidan and we finished out lich kings saga which was what every warcraft 3 player wanted. Nobody gave a shit about dragons, pandas, more orcs, or any of that shit. It was just the legion and Arthas. Once he was out of the picture the game was done for
>playing for the story
Anyway, they are (were) capable of pulling together other bits of unrelated lore and even making new lore, like Yogg'Saron and Ulduar, which is one of the best raids of all time. The story was good, but it really came down to the raid being fun and great bosses.
Ulduar isn't even top 10, just babies first Wrath raid
I wonder if its shill bots or discord trannies are continously trying to push this kind of shit.
What a contrarian opinion. Name ten better WoW raids. I'll wait. Since I know you won't, I'll list some others that demonstrate the point I was making
Karazhan
ZA
ZG (though Hakkar had been introduced previously)
Kara is utter fricking dogshit
It's so fricking boring and a slog to get through
This is just moronic nostalgia posting.
Better raids:
Firelands
ToT
SoO
BRF
HFC
EN
NH
ToS
Antorous
Battle of Dazaralor
And these aren't even close. Ulduar gets utterly mogged by all of them and probably still beaten by T11, 14, Highmaul & Nathria
EN is crap and firelands is a fricking brown field
anon keep in mind that for a wow player, raid quality = amount of times world first raiders died on bosses.
Doesn't matter that they themselves never did the raid, it's a quality raid if the last boss took 500+ pulls.
And that brown field had bosses that completely blow Ulduar away
Yeah dude ToT is on every actual raiders list because Ra-den was such a huge challenge right?
Ulduar is superior to FL in every way. What an absolutely terrible take.
Rag alone mogs all of Ulduar wrathbaby
Whatever, anon. You're ignoring my original point that they don't have to kill off or include some well known characters to make a good raid tier. Throne of Thunder is a great example too.
The original post literally said its about having good bosses which Ulduar is surpassed many times over by most subsequent tiers
WoW has has many literal who bosses that nobody ends up caring about because the gameplay is the only thing that matters in a raid in the end. Coasting by on style on works on classic boomers
Okay, fine well I chose another on your list, ToT, so you must agree that was a great raid even though it had zero basis in the established lore. Even Blizz recognized they were killing off their greatest characters too quickly in BC with Kael'thas. The difference is they had writing and development talent back then and now they don't. If they can replace the diversity hires they've made over the years and get some actual talent that appreciates the game and its fan base and doesn't want to just force their homosexual pedo agenda down everyone's throat, maybe the game can be good again.
>so you must agree that was a great raid even though it had zero basis in the established lore.
Sure, but not because of who Lei Shen or how he was written is or whatever. Hes just generic bad guy. Lei Shen could be swapped to LIGHTNING HAKKAR or something and the raid still would have been just as good, nobody gave a shit about Lei Shen as a character.
>Even Blizz recognized they were killing off their greatest characters too quickly in BC with Kael'thas
Except they went right into Arthas the next expac so clealy not
>The difference is they had writing and development talent back then
TBC is an absolute fricking mess writing wise, so no. Massive retcons across the board, villain batting Kael and Illidan(retconned again later), the whole avatar of the sunwell and kalecgos shit
Yeah, that's my point. You don't need an Illidan or Arthas or Kael'Thas to have a great raid tier because ultimately it comes down to the encounters and the overall feel of the raid. ToT and Isle of Thunder were great experiences even if Lei Shen wasn't all that interesting himself, the story was compelling enough.
>Except they went right into Arthas the next expac so clealy not
There are interviews which prove you wrong. The ball was in motion and they said themselves that no one expected WoW to gain the popularity that it did. I never said the writing was perfect back in the early days (and they recognized and admitted this with Kael) but they weren't wasting time trying to shoehorn everything to fit their social agenda. They were just trying to make a fun game and I think they did. Vanilla, TBC and wrath were some of the best times I have had in vidya.
The writing has always been shit, since Vanilla, but because the game was actually fun, and not full of aspergers and angry neckbeards. Even Kaplan said at one of the early Blizzcon panels that they were "design a game, not a fricking novel."
You could ignore the shitty writing and recons and all that, because getting online with friends in your guild and shooting the shit and having fun on vent during a raid made up for it.
Now, wow is a solo experience, because even in guilds nobody talks to each other. You're just an NPC to other players, and you treat other people like NPCs. Epeen has always been a thing with gaming, but WoW catered to it so hard, that's all that's left playing, tryhards like Asmondgoblin. You know Blizzard is feeling a little desperate when they actually allow Asmondgoblin to talk to the devs.
at first wow scarcely had a story, there's places and you go to them and adventure there, then it becomes capeshit in wotlk
>because getting online with friends in your guild and shooting the shit and having fun on vent during a raid
Theres nothing stopping you from doing this
On the contrary, with an actually relevant dungeon endgame theres more to do with your friends than pre-legion WoW ever had
>hey dude wanna play troonycraft?
>no
well shit
>Theres nothing stopping you from doing this
Well, other than nobody I know actually still playing wow, sure.
And, the assumption that I'll ever have the Blizzard launcher on my computer ever again.
it's hard to find a good guild, wow is full of misanthropic losers
>the story was compelling enough
I dont think anyone could actually tell you the isle of thunder story
>There are interviews which prove you wrong.
Words in retrospect mean nothing, they rolled out Arthas as the very next boss. The only character theyve ever actually sat on is Azshara
And you keep saying Kael as if Illidan and KJ werent just as egregious. And Vashj. TBC was just a nonstop trainwreck from any sort of writing perspective but people DONT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT LORE
>They were just trying to make a fun game and I think they did. Vanilla, TBC and wrath were some of the best times I have had in vidya.
All the delusions people have had about Vanilla and TBC were quickly dispelled by classic, same will happen for wrath soon. You were just a kid and enjoyed being a kid and socializing on the internet. Under even the slightest bit of scrutiny the gameplay falls apart
IoT and Zandalari alliance against the Pandaren was good
>You were just a kid and enjoyed being a kid and socializing on the internet.
This. By the time Wrath came out, people in my office I had no clue gamed at all were playing WoW. Then Cata drove them all away.
WoW was huge because few other games had the social aspect - anyone under 20 has no clue what it was like back then. It was babbies first social game for millions of people. That was the appeal. My guild kept me playing up through Wrath, period. They're still friends, even though they quit during cata.
Preach said it best, don't play modern wow unless you have real life friends playing, or can make friends easily and can find a guild that actually communicates. Otherwise, don't bother, because it's a hellacious experience for a casual.
The issue is that the gameplay is so much more smoother than all the other tab target mmorpgs. Just hopped back in, just to level some chars, which is one of the few things I still enjoy about retail. Will quit after a few weeks and then get back into wc3.
And what the frick do you do in wrath without friends or a guild
just run your 1 chore heroic a day for 5 months to get a few pieces of gear?
Wrath had NOTHING to do, people just had lower standards or for normalgays 0 standards as always but WoW was popular at the time
The fact that you still think there was any gameplay aspect holding up Wrath means you really dont understand, it was ENTIRELY the social scenario of early internet chat + being part of the current popular scene normies flock to every few months. The video game equivalent of Stranger Things
You're very angry considering how fricking wrong you are.
Please tell me what Wrath has to do that retail doesnt
really could use a good laugh
You can even run the same raid on 4 modes a week like ToGC because that dogshit was such a homerun
He's still going, folks, lol. And he's still so wrong, he's changing the definition of wrong.
>not a ton of troony homosexual content
>no body type 2 shit
>content is simple enough to be completed with a pick up group allowing for guilds to feel confident when recruiting
>economy while still invested with bots is no where as near fricked as current wow is
>rep is as simple as throwing on a tabard and finding 4 mother frickers to grind with
modern wow sucks Black person
so no actual content that makes wrath any less boring than retail lol
>not a ton of troony homosexual content
>no body type 2 shit
literally not gameplay
is simple enough to be completed with a pick up group allowing for guilds to feel confident when recruiting
People pug heroic raids and +20 keys in retail.
>economy while still invested with bots is no where as near fricked as current wow is
susanexpress sends their regards
>rep is as simple as throwing on a tabard and finding 4 mother frickers to grind with
The only relevant rep in Wrath was sons and it didnt have a tabard. You also cant grind oracles at all
If you want to grind a red drake you can do that on retail too since thats about all a tabard was good for
>heroic raids
so where does the best gear come from?
the version you cant pug, just like wrath 🙂
>If you want to grind a red drake you can do that on retail too since thats about all a tabard was good for
Cringe, just wait till timewalking and buy the rep
That gameplay is almost fifteen years old now. Yeah if you're judging it by modern standards there are going to be glaring flaws, but at the time vanilla, TBC and a lot of wrath were 9.5/10. And a lot of normies did just want to see how the story played out, particularly Arthas. It was obviously a mistake to burn through almost all the good characters from the established lore, and they admitted it. But my point is that it wasn't a huge problem up until recently since they seem incapable of creating any semblance of a coherent story, interesting character or narrative for the expansion (SL was much worse than even BfA, and DF seems like it's going to set the bar even lower). In the past they could just asspull a Yogg'Saron or Lai Shen, design a good raid around it and players were happy.
dishonest post
When did you start playing? Are you sure you played these when they were current? Anyway, most people disagree with you, and many on your list also prove my point. ToT had zero basis in lore, and was incredible.
Hit enter before I listed ToT, which is a prime example. Zero lore around a newly created Thunder King and the raid and island were fricking fantastic, both from a story and mechanics standpoint.
WoW would have been a legendary game if it maintained the design philosophy behind Ulduar. The move to 4 different preset difficulties was what ultimately killed the raiding scene for casuals.
It's just a last ditch effort to squeeze money out of people
The new profession system is made so that people will have to buy gold to get anywhere. Much like the legendary system in shadowlands people are going to spend millions of gold on making stuff before the expansion is over. The market is going to be controlled by people with multiple accounts and dozens of characters, all leveled with boosts.
It will probably be better than the previous 2 expansions, but that's saying nothing.
It will be slightly more well received than them because it will be ever so slightly better, which will just about keep the game afloat.
Which sucks.
Revive unless you are one of those radical /misc/ transphobes
wotlk was an unbalanced mess
nobody leveled in grizzly hills
the raids were complete garbage due to the lockout system
The dragon-people intro area is kind of fun. They start off with a gliding mechanic that isn't brain dead. Decent abilities, although not very hard hitting. I could see it attracting a lot of new players.
>Will it kill the game
it's already dead, only mentally the mentally ill keep playing
>my brother was a hardcore WoW player, had almost every collector's edition and had never uninstall WoW in his entire life
>yesterday he told me that he uninstalled wow and will not get the newest expansion's CE
Holy shit I never thought this game would come
You have to REALLY frick it up if a wowgay like my brother stops being interested in wow
wow is not warcraft never was never will be
the sooner you accept that fact the better off we will be
It will limp along. There's enough sunken cost no-lifers to keep it going. They're even getting the ass chapped streamers back in. But that incompetent c**t Hazzanexcuse is still running the clown car, so frick that noise. And, after Diablo Immoral, frick that company.
Seriously, fricking Preach. Takes a stand on Blizzard being a shitpile...and now he's back in. Fricking WoW addiction, it's like they figured out how to embed cocaine into the client.
I once hope MS would save it, but they should just sell off most of the IP and keep the data centers.
>kill
no
>revive
no
it will be the same it always is
it will spike to millions
it will fade back to 1.x million
it will repeat this until you die
It's going to be marketed as a "return to form" and "wow is back!!!!" to get a ton of suckers back in as well as the youtube grifters who were """"""done""""""" with WoW
Probably going to start off with higher numbers than SL but go back down again as everyone realizes nothing has really changed from battle for azerite to sneedolands to scalieflight
>Probably going to start off with higher numbers than SL
doubt
One of two things will happen:
>story is dogshit, following after Shadowlands, and continues the down trend in quality we've been seeing since BfA, resulting in even less player satisfaction, retention, etc.
Or
>story is essentially a soft-reboot that handwaves the colossal mound of shit that was Shadowlands, effectively ignoring the metaphysical nonsense the previous expansion introduced and focusing on a completely new plot
Which itself has two branching paths:
>new story is totally shit, resulting in the aforementioned reduction of player satisfaction, etc.
Or
>new story is actually enjoyable, resulting in player growth
The tl;dr is that WoW is fighting an uphill battle against itself. If the development team (and I mean the entire development team, writing staff included) can't get their shit together, the game is doomed. The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode, so if that's actually true, then their dealing with a full deck of cards stacked against them. Only time will really tell, but given that 2/3 possibilities are shit, it's not looking good.
Why would they hire 100 new devs for a game about to go into maintenance mode?
Read what I wrote again:
>The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode, so if that's actually true, then their dealing with a full deck of cards stacked against them.
If they are in maintenance mode (which is unlikely but that's irrelevant to what I said), then the development will be more difficult than it already is. Whether or not maintenance mode is true, they still need to contend with the development choices made in the previous expansions, resulting in development that will be difficult.
>The rumor mill is that WoW is on maintenance mode
Anyone who believes that a game still having a massive dev team, company focus, and is selling expansions is in "maintenance mode" is literally moronic. Even bringing it up as a laughable rumor is fricking moronic, and doesn't serve any point being attempted because it's such a fricking moronic idea.
See
Of all the things I said that's what you attack? It's the least important part, and I said it was a rumor, not a fact.
You had no reason to bring it up, like I said. You're wallowing in moronation when you didn't have a reason to.
>gets less content added in an expansion than other games get in a single content patch
>not in maintenance mode
Anon never happened
Oh, look, the moron is doubling down.
This is the first expansion I won't touch since I skipped Cata. In fact I can''t wait to call my dumb friends Black folk when they try to drag me into this horseshit.
>Imagine hating what this game has become so much that you are willing to risk friendships if people DARE to suggest you play it together
yep, blizzard lives in my head rent free idc
Have you considered taking your meds?
Yes and I decided that it won't be needed.
You're wrong and clearly too unhinged to make that decision yourself
It won't do either. WoW won't die dramatically like people here hope it will just slowly decline until it stops being updated.
why are evokers considered a "hero class" if there were no evokers in wc1/2/3
modern wow devs don't know the difference between evoker and invoker from dota
Neither. Why does everything have to be an extreme. It will see a huge jump at launch then fall off when the grind starts and people finish the story and get to max level. Same as always.
this game is only good for porn and has been for over a decade.
This, I'm just concerned that this new expac is only going to invigorate furshit artists instead of inspiring elf/human/draenei porn artists.
xiv won because it captures the zoomer and boomer demographic
zoomers dont care about worlo wawa
People will buy as always, and tbhb 4 weeks in as always.
Blizzard will have gotten your money for buying the expansion and be happy with that, then leave the loyal blizzgay paypigs wait 6 months before the first content patch.
reminder that ffxi, a game released before wow, is getting more content updates than wow.
The problem with DF to me is that while there's nothing outrageous bad like Covenants or Azerite, what... IS there?
It will make a comeback but it will be a comeback filled with transexual abominations that will play Body Type 2.
Hope you guys are ready for that.
Why can't body type 2 be topless?
it will be probably better than BFA and SL, but nothing more than that. No way can they reach Legion levels again.
But Legion was just an rng shitfest that BFA already matched (with more fricking rng)
>loved wow in high school
>can only play wow part of the weekend now
Just
go back to >>>/vg/
WoW is the marvel cinematic universe of gaming. It's just a soulless corporate product with a new addition every 2-3 years to keep the cattle coming back.
Revival.
As long as Blizzard actually learned their fricking lesson this time and can just let people play the game modes they enjoy, it'll be a 9/10 expansion.
Like it or not, WoW's core gameplay is still the best in the genre. Final Trantasy is only fun if you're a parseBlack person, GW2 still has a long way to go, ESO is alright if you like the animation cancelling thing but otherwise shit.
>As long as Blizzard actually learned their fricking lesson
you know this isn't the case, why did you even bother typing out the rest
Because at the moment it seems like it IS the case
>no forced grinds
>no secondary progression
>master loot back
>crafting allows you to get bis gear now
I can find very little wrong with the current state of things
people liked torghast in alpha too
didn't stop them from fricking it up
they fricked it up by making it into a forced and heavily timegated grind
and they can easily do that to the crafting for example, just wait
>crafting is timegated and a grind
so like literally always?
Cloth lockouts, Alchemy lockouts, BoP raid mats, needing to burn through dozens of shitty items leveling that just got vendored or DE'd instantly
Now just add some shitty daily quest zone that drops specific mats you can't get anywhere else and yeah you're starting to get it
sounds like a crafter problem, all I need to do is farm gold for commissions
they're soulbound so you have to farm them yourself, other people can craft the item for you though
you want that bis item that increases your dps by a ton, right?
RAID drops are soulbound, yes, so all I actually need to do outside of raid is farm gold for commissions
raid drops are only 1/3rd of what you need
the daily farm they will inevitably add will give you another 1/3rd
and then there's random crafting materials you get off the AH for the final 1/3rd
Look forward to it
>source: my ass
Yes
Surely you have some proof of this and aren't just spewing shit out of your ass.
they haven't added it yet, just wait
they fricked up everything people liked in previous alphas and they're not going to buck the trend
>As long as Blizzard actually learned their fricking lesson this time and can just let people play the game modes they enjoy, it'll be a 9/10 expansion.
>Body 1 Body 2
>Learned their lesson
You can play free on the ptr for any game type they currently have up. Don't give them money.
how will dragonlands be ready by december?
even shitty KMMO studios start developing expansions before the preceding one launches
And somehow they still always end up being released unfinished in WoW’s case.
Dragonsward is going to be the most content starved “expansion” in the game’s history.
>Kill
>Revive
It will do neither, and I'm not sure why people always talk about WoW and it's expansions with such high stakes. WoW will never reach the same kind of cultural relevance that it had 12 years ago. Dragonflight will come out, hopefully provide some hours of entertainment, and that's ok.
Neither. Blizzdrones will never stop defending it but it will never recover those who weren't braindead enough not to recognize this garbage for what it is.
considering they had cool models for humanoid dragon type race but picked what amounts to a fursuit, it's just another massive blunder by neoblizz
wow is just a long lesson in greed and content creep
also it provides a great reason to gatekeep the frick out of homosexuals as they ruin every single hobby they touch.
yeah 12 million players are gonna come back to run the shit boring hamster wheel for sure
Because trannies are porn addicts who try to dress like the girlfriend they always wanted.
My bad, meant to reply to this post
I intend to play dragonlands regardless of what Ganker says because the combat and gameplay in WoW is always fun as long as it doesnt involve vehicle combat
>tab target
>fun
loving every laugh
>Game is so bad now that one of the top two raid teams just quit in the middle of the race
who even gives a frick about these world first raid races anyway? blizzard has been chasing a nonexistent esports crowd for a decade now and the best they can manage is getting 200k views on their israelitetube channel
They're the most sycophantic players of the game and were in paid sponsorship deals to do the race
And even then they said nah frick this
Like every expansion, it'll increase subs for 3 months. Then they will drop off again, briefly increasing with each large content patch for a month. It's a cycle thats been going on since the "tuning" patch after Cata because heroics were "too hard" for all the casuals that joined during Wraths massive ad campaign.
"smooth combat" is the new "grizzly hills music is goat"
too many people keep repeating it that it has to be a streamer meme or a line from the paid shill advertising material
have you played 14? wow is smooth as butter compared to that shit
explain what makes one smooth and the other not
You don't notice server ticks in wow, and they are very obvious in ff14.
people wanted noticeable server ticks back in classic
streamer cancer did and it was a huge mistake
E-celebs ruin everything
idk the animations in 14 just feels snappy
I always found it jarring the the move animation =/= move effect. One of the reasons I don't play it
I want to try WoW in the next expansion, what's the new player experience like?
It is as welcoming as it has ever been, it introduces mechanics and abilities very well, and theyve pruned so much i doubt even a moron could get overwhelmed. There's a few different ways you can level, through an island or choosing one of the previous expansions.
like playing a subpar pozzed AA RPG with a bunch of bots, mouth breathers and troonys
All older content is obsolete so don't expect to find people to help you level up
>what's the new player experience like?
It is fricking terrible and that's why the game doesn't get many new players.
Your first ten levels are spent doing a handcrafted, one-of-a-kind tutorial that came out in 2020. Then you go do content from one of the worst expansions that the game ever had for the next 50 levels. There aren't going to be that many people around and there's no reason to interact with anyone else anyways during regular leveling. Then you hit that expansion's level cap and have to drop everything you are doing to go to the new expansion (none of the story threads you experience will be resolved because they were all endgame content, which doesn't scale and can't be done solo) for your last ten levels.
Then once you hit cap in the new expansion, you have to start grinding quests that introduce you to systems from the first patch of the expansion. Once you've done enough of those, all of those systems will be discarded and you will instead have to do more quests to learn the systems of the second patch. And then once you've done enough of those, all of those will be discarded so you can be introduced to the third set of systems from the newest patch.
And then, once you've done that, you can start doing dungeons and raids. Except, if you try to do any dungeons, you will be subject to verbal abuse from other players unless you know exactly how to perform the mechanics. This goes doubly for raids, but you can only really do the current raid, because nobody runs the other ones after they stop being current, not even ones from the same expansion.
how does this game even have a playerbase
I would bet probably 80% of the remaining playerbase are people who played it from 2004-10 when these problems weren't as apparent and who are now blinded by nostalgia
>but you can only really do the current raid
The current raid is only a couple of token purchases away. Nobody tries to do the content anymore, it's all paid boosting. Even the President of Blizzard does it openly.
Retail WoW is a bunch of raging try hard buttholes who buy AOTC so they can gatekeep and sneer at people in pugs. If there's any decent guilds left, they don't go near the rest of the game, and other players. Even the World First Race players buy tokens to buy AH gear to game the system. Like, 20K worth. Which they pay back with boosting.
WoW totally isn't pay to win, wink wink.
Seriously it's so shit no matter when you join in on the expansion
If you start right as it comes out half the systems are broken as frick and boring because they need content stretched out
If you join late it is usually no longer broken but now you have to navigate through the dozen or so currencies, reps, and zones from previous patches that are now completely worthless before you can actually start with current stuff
weird how they're keeping BFA for new players then skipping SL and sending you straight to DF, i assume they're just too lazy to update it
Shadowlands has been a massive flop and Blizz knows it. I wouldn't be surprised if they just pretend it never happened and reference it as sparingly as possible from now on. They already removed some dialogue about it in the beta.
It's shocking to me Ion is still there - ironically, the sexual abuse scandal and aftermath might have saved his ass. Danuser, i can't explain - they fired Kosak from the team for WOD and his writing, but Danuser still has a job?
Any other studio, the higher ups would have cleared the decks for the failure at the level of Shadowlands, but some creepy frickers HAD to steal breast milk.
And, they have Diablo Immoral to prop the company up, for a while. I haven't heard any numbers in a while, but the whales showed up, as expected.
Amazon's MMO is still there, so who the frick knows what could actually kill a game like WoW.
>he higher ups would have cleared the decks for the failure at the level of Shadowlands
it literally had record breaking sales
stop believing shit you read on Ganker
It has a "fastest selling" record which is literal meaningless pilpul market speak to make it look appealing
it means that they had a ton of sales at launch.
No it means it outsold other expansions during a small and arbitrary window before the game's launch
>it literally had record breaking sales
Day one sales, lol. You fricking WOW addicted pathetic c**t.
And? Is wow somehow unique in having online sales? Its popularity is still clearly dwarfing many games including every other mmo
shadowlands was brilliant, sorry you couldn't grasp it.
is it possible to be a cuck without playing WoW?
Yes, you can be a cuck without playing wow
It will be the same as it has been the previous expansions.
neither
Dragonflight will save WoW and WotLK Classic will BURY ff14
As someone that doesnt want to frick lizards, there is absolutely nothing in this expac that excites me.
Nah, WoW just made its first likeable character. No way it dies now.
>Almost destroys the entire afterlife, tries to help a guy destroy the universe for the luls
>Don't kill him, stick his soul in a sword and leave it under an unsecured, open air heat lamp
Nah don't you understand? The end of Dragonflight will have Murozond connect Azeroth to parallel Azeroth (Draenor timeline) because Murozond is betraying the titans.
So he's planning to rescue Sargeras by bringing Parallel Medivh to the main timeline. Since there's only one Sargeras that means that by bringing Parallel Medivh (possessed by Sargeras like he was in the past) he finds a way to break his main body away from the titan prison.
Boom. that's the next expansion. Parallel Azeroth, Sargeras bad guy.
sargeras isnt the villain though. he is trying to help us fight a greater evil
it's still canon that there's only one legion and only one titan pantheon across timelines. there is no alternate azeroth.
AU's are just figments that pop up occasionally and eventually fade when left undisturbed.
a lot of bells and whistles to announce maintenance mode
There, I fixed BFA.
Now everyone remembers it fondly.
>Blizzard
>Having the talent to make new animations/races
Hohohohohoho
look at all the fricking addicts lol
wow has been shit since the end of vanilla and carried on for almost 20 years now because of it
every expansion has sucked ass and yet you're going to buy the new one like a bunch of crackheads lol
eat shit raid homosexuals and parse troons