>years upon years, dragons have been built up to be these amazing, badass creatures >all of these hot dragon b***hes >finally get to do to the dragon isles >frick yes
>it's just a gay colony full of dragon rejects and cripples
>years upon years, dragons have been built up to be these amazing, badass creatures >all of these hot dragon b***hes >finally get to do to the dragon isles >frick yes
>it's just a gay colony full of dragon rejects and cripples
It's boring. And all of them are still focused on the issues they had in the past. Meanwhile players are fighting enemies with one trillionth of the power of J'Lor.
Dragons are awesome.
This shit isnt dragons. Its a bunch of fricking fursona's from a group of creatively bankrupt jackoffs coasting on other peoples work that they probably fricked over and out the buisness.
The fricking artstyle isnt even consistent.I fricking laughed when that fire guy turned into a Deathwing looking motherfricker with a giantass head and tiny body for a second.
>I fricking laughed when that fire guy turned into a Deathwing looking motherfricker with a giantass head and tiny body for a second.
Thats called a proto drake you fricking moron, theyve been around since WotLK
This, the OG protodrake design was actually good because they were given a sort of salamander fused with a T-rex look. When you start giving them more normal dragon like heads it looks funny.
The design still isn't great. The storm one was alright and looked like a protodrake, the ones with Deathwing like heads look silly.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They all look like proto drakes in their drake form what the hell are you on about
There is no deathwing head. It's a regular proto drakes except that it has glowing fiery horns attached
1 year ago
Anonymous
I personally would prefer they redoing the protodrake pose.
Those opened wing looks really bad, they should pose it like Seregios or Astalos from MH
This, the OG protodrake design was actually good because they were given a sort of salamander fused with a T-rex look. When you start giving them more normal dragon like heads it looks funny.
The guys in OPs video are the primal incarnates.
The plot is basically that when the Titans turned the Aspects from protodrakes into true dragons (which is explained in a book), a bunch of other Protodrakes with an IQ above 75 said "No" and rejected them.
They fused with the elements (Made a deal with Elemental lords I guess, nu-lore is vague) in order to match the aspects in power, though this really doesn't make sense at all.
They had a big war and then Deathwing submitted to the darkness Kingdom Hearts style to use Old god magic to seal them away.
I assume the reason they look like random noseless deviant art fursonas in the video is because being Proto-drakes, they can't shapeshift as good into shit like elves, tauren or humans like true dragons.
It's hard to care about WoW's storyline anymore with the reveal that the afterlives expansion with the Shadowlands. Especially considering how hard the Shadowlands expansion ended up shitting the bed conceptually
This too. Only interest dragon content was the Infinite Dragonflight/Bronze Dragons. Literally nothing else comes close to being mildly interesting
atlantis. which is to say, it doesn't exist. its only attestations are the 36 lessons and the commentaries on the mysterium xarxes, which is to say, it has no credible attestation
>Protodragons are now just dragons >Even though all previous canon says they were just moronic animals that could breath fire
Blizzard isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel anymore, they've carved through it.
I know you're giving this your all, but we both know you can' actually sing the praises of this drivel, which is why you're deflecting to normalizing how shit it is.
these arent protodragons
they are part of the aspects, alexstraza, ysera, nozdormu etc are exactly the same as them, they just agreed to be the titans b***h and get more powerful while enslaving the others
the only 'protodragon' around is galakrond, and he is currently missing underground somewhere
They are protodragons though? That anon is right. Granted arguing intelligence in a setting that has had god like animals with intelligence in the lore IS moronic. I mean in the setting pigs are pigs but then Agrammagan was a big boar god who could talk. It's really not that big of a deal to have a few demi-god level protodrakes act like intelligent while most of their species aren't sapient.
NTA, but protodrakes were already shown to be intelligent in Dawn of the Aspects, with the aspects being fairly intelligent before they got uplifted into Dragons. As you say, smart protodragons isn't new, it's just the majority are feral and dumb.
I was speaking more of how the Wild God cocnept allows for some species to ascend to a higher state of being.
We all know the book that Retconns Galakrond as the originator was Knaak getting revenge for blizzard fricking with his baby. Of course he'd make the Protodrakes Chimpanzee level intelligent rather than true beasts, he probably hated the idea that his Dragonflight children were originally dumb Wyverns.
I love how every single time, no matter the setting, people who use previously established lore to point out discrepancies are countered by posts explaining how they are wrong using writing that was published yesterday.
i dont get how im suppose to be excited of this lame plot? like all they did was digging some hole and told fire thing to dive in to it then they leaved the place.
I don't see why you would do a bajillion quests unless you cared about the world and its lore. Non-story gays must have the WORST goddamn time questing.
Dragons are proto-drakes that were given magical power and intelligence by dragons. In WotLK when they debued they were described as "Savage animal-ancestors of Dragons."
It's why they're called "Proto"dragons.
Cuz only you and another 30 players were actually enjoying classic TBC.
People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla ( that is also garbage, but in a less extent ) Wrath servers are already empty.
>People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla ( that is also garbage, but in a less extent ) Wrath servers are already empty.
Kek funniest shit of the whole classic debacle was the morons realising that Cata - Legion was the golden age of wow
>People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla
So sick of seeing this. TBC and WoTLK is still vanilla at heart but with more content. More of the original developers were still involved unlike now. Wrath classic doesn't even have dungeon finder, which is one of the things that would have brought me back to Classic for sure.
None of this is true, cute larp
Nobody says "best in the world" they say r1
Nobody would ever talk about AM title because its wholly unremarkable other than being dumb enough to have played 5s, especially if you were actually glad
sure thing gaylord, want me to say 100% instead? r1 is only used in terms of pvp rank, though i stopped playing in legion so i dont know if your gayspeak developed further
there's nothing wrong with mentioning AM, and yes 5s was a zerg fest, but I know for a fact I am better than you at this game in every conceivable way, but we're on Ganker and that doesn't matter in the slightest.
my point being: get better taste in a competitive skill based multiplayer games. running around with 24 morons trying to get server firsts was fun a long time ago, but it's time to move on.
Raiding isnt 25 man and hasnt been stuck to 25 since Wrath
Nobody cares about AM, nobody will ever care about AM, you mentioning it is a joke and makes it clear youre some rat 1500 player larping
Every single post you make is plainly obvious youre just making it up
I dont care if you dont believe me, but there's no achievement in WoW that deserves more respect that you can find in other games. it's an easy game for simpletons, simple as.
>Barely anyone who plays gives a shit
This, I've skipped through dialogues so hard in DF, it was unreal. Especially the centaurs with their meme-tier shit gave me the utter cringe. >Be respectful >Be respectful >Be respectful
FFXIV is dead. It never topped WOW: we have hard numbers that the only "peak" FFXIV ever reached was maybe a million players. If you think WOW ever went below 3 million: you're delusional. FFXIV players were only good at being loud and convincing the ill-informed that WOW "was dead" and their shit was better. But the numbers don't lie. No one watched FFXIV on twitch; meanwhile WOW is still one of the most popular games. And guess what? Every single influencer that went to FFXIV...is back to WOW and they're not looking back! Asmongold, Bellular, Preach, Nobbel etc etc...FFXIV is shit compared to WOW. The content speaks for itself.
FFXIV is fine on its own, but in a world where WOW and FFXIV exist there is 0 reason to play FFXIV.
I think it's really funny this is the least played race/gender combo. Trannies will b***h and moan about adding in "representation" but at the end of the day they'll pick Blood Elf 99% of the time over an ugly fat slob.
Always makes me think of this post. If female Kul'tiran's had even a fraction of the muscles that the men do they might have had something. But instead its just fat chicks.
>If female Kul'tiran's had even a fraction of the muscles that the men do they might have had something. But instead its just fat chicks.
Periodic reminder that they have models for musclewoman kultiran but they choose to not use them. They only need a few retouches on the face and it's done.
Kul'tirans really are just "fat humans, the race" to satiate the narcissism of unkempt slobby women.
>have to play through some of the worst content blizzard has ever produced (post-Legion) to unlock the based allied races. Frick the troon devs and dilator they rode in on
The fact that the game still has players is amazing to me, but I suppose you'll always have the loyal few that will keep playing regardless of how bad the game gets.
I tried playing Shadowlands when it first came out, got bored within a few days and dropped it, didn't even make it a week. The last time I had fun playing is when I tried making a level 1 from scratch and attempted to level it up through questing, think I got to level 60 something before getting bored. I'll admit it's kind of fun just to zone out and level a character by doing quests but you just get so bored of it after the first 50-60 levels.
Every now and again I get the "wow itch" but it's not as bad as it was in recent years. I know if I was to reinstall it I'd only play for a few days, if not a week and then uninstall it, and I gotta admit that I had more fun playing FFXVI. I was actually considering reinstalling FFXVI just to play Endwalker.
Because they're mentally insane and are prepared to blow most of their income on Diablo and World of Warcraft, especially when the new Diablo game releases this summer. It has a battlepass with like 80 hours of content and I believe people can pay money to complete it early or get other bonus stuff.
My larger point was that I simply found FFXVI to be more enjoyable than World of Warcraft, just overall. I lasted longer playing FFXVI then I did World of Warcraft.
shadowlands was actual garbage. just like you I dropped it after a couple of days. but I've been playing dragonflight daily for over a month now. game isn't good but atleast it's fun.
Eh, I COULD give it a try but I know myself too well, I just probably won't last a week before getting tired of it. I'd also have to fricking BUY Dragonflight, so you know gotta make that investment, and if I drop the game within a week then that's just money down the drain.
I'm not sure I'd put it that way. new shit coming out is always exciting but with their track record I would not recommend just jumping in based on hype. gotta wait and see. underground zone sounds terribe (possibly no mount). new raid could be cancer. next mythic season might be shit as well.
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I LITERALLY have never fricking been in a guild, I could have joined one but there are so many I had no real interest in joining a guild to begin with, seems like it's hard to find a guild and some guilds are like fricking cults. They take that shit seriously, you can get kicked out pretty easily if you're not serious about playing the game or if you miss "LE RAID NIGHT" though I imagine it'd be more fun if I had people to play with.
I'm sure if you go over to /vg/ they have a constant WoW thread up and you could probably find people to play with over there. I also never played on RP servers and I know those are pretty popular.
eh, every guild on the server is recruiting. there are also pugs going on at all times. yeah people suck ass but on normal the encounters are piss easy.
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basically this but at that point it's probably not even worth it. guilds come with a buy-in of time and being social. and if you're not even doing heroic, which a casual guild is probably not doing, then there's hardly a point.
>Quit WoW after a decade after the shitshow that was Systemlands >reactivated ffxiv account at stormblood and played all the way to the end of endwalker's first patch
It was a phenomenal experience. I regret ever wasting time in WoW past legion.
Hey me too, I logged into BFA one day and just thought to myself; nah. Alt-f4'd, uninstalled and never played again.
I too played BfA on the FIRST DAY it went live, and my god was it awful, I was so bored, and then I tried playing the first week Shadowlands went live and that was awful as well.
I haven't even attempted to play Dragonflight, honestly a bit scared simply because I should know better then to keep going back.
The irony is that apparently the game is in a really good place right now. World quests are well done, mythic+ is fun (heroics are an absolute cakewalk through), dragonflying is a great addition and adds a dynamic gameplay element to traveling and classes are fun to play.
But BfA+Shadowlands scared everyone away and people aren't coming back. Two bad expansions in a row and people aren't interested anymore. The game's population and overall engagement (ie Youtube, Twitch) is way down from what it used to be.
Blizzard did their part, they made a decent expansion. But people aren't coming back after two bad expansions, the scandal, the mass exodus to XIV, and just having their eyes opened in general that they don't need to play WoW anymore, there's a thousand other games to play.
I started playing again a couple weeks ago after some friends asked and the dragon flying is alright, and the questing was okay, but the game still suffers from the elitist idiots who push people away. There is literally nothing to do if you play wow casually.
Unfortunately that's been true since at least the original launch of Wrath. There's no escaping the elitist way people play this game.
The raider.io shit might be even worse than gearscore was.
I played XIV from 2012 to today and I gave Dragonflight a try when it came out for a month and I actually had a ton of fun playing Death Knight since I wanted to play something I thought was distinctly Warcraft from start to the some casual Mythic+ and trying the first wing of raid. Everything you said as a positive I 100% agree on but the thing that made me check out actually was raiding because the LFG and someone quitting and waiting to refill and wait for someone to travel to the boss area after every pull is an absolute fricking nightmare and I was told it was just always like this.
I left still pretty positive on wow and didn't regret my time with it.
Players generally liked Legion, but yes, if you think Legion was bad then it was four in a row.
I remember being pretty tuned out with the game at the time. The idea of a whole expansion where you only use one weapon was moronic in the context of a game like WoW, and then how the game handled players giving them up for BfA was very sloppy.
I'm told DF has no borrowed power, which sounds nice.
me and my group played through BFA and despite it being shit we had fun, but Shadowlands just killed everyones enjoyment and about 3 weeks in nobody was left. then the harassement shit happened. right now the only people i know who play WoW are just terminally ill. "its the best expansion this time we swear! its super fun, i just kicked a player for playing a low DPS class in Mythic+"
I would love for a new WoW game that fixed a ton of issues but im pretty sure Riots new MMO is going to fricking nuke WoW into the dirt
Who knows, the first two expansions ended with killing off the two most well known characters in the entire setting. Blizz was not planning anything out
It's kind of funny how Legion resorted to reviving one of them and going full apologist mode with him.
And then Shadowlands took the opposite approach and shat all over Arthas.
>Cutscene: >Arthas Menethil, surrounded by darkness, flanked by Valkyries or whatever >one is holding Frostmourne (I forget if Frostmourne was lost or if the nu-Kang has it; whatever, Valkyrie can have a generic angel sword instead) >being lead to an implied Oblivion >appropriate Arthas music plays as the grim procession marches on >the darkness gives way to a WoW landscape ravaged by Arthas' actions >finally, to the left is The Mouth of Hell, to the right The Gates of Oblivion (substitute whatever the WoW lore equivalent is of these concepts) >Arthas stops in his tracks, turns to the angel-like entites. >"No." >He grabs Frostmourne (or the sword, or whatever), kills the Valkyries >Marches towards the Gates of Hell >queue Title logo: "World of Warcraft: Hell to Pay"
There, an unrepentant Arthas through sheer force of will is going to claw his way back with a new army of the dead.
He was never 'corrupted', Sargeras didn't make him do it; damn it Jessie I did it for me. I liked it, I was good at it, and I was really... I was alive.
>No that's dumb
Yes but it's not transBlack person gay asexual otherkin.
Unironically, the only bad thing Arthas did was pick up Frostmourne, otherwise he was right in everything and even after he was getting mind-raped by Nerzhul and became the Lich King, he still kept the Scourge from killing everything. That troony Sylvanas simp over at blizzard needs to eat some dicks.
The real letdown was Jaina. She sawwhat happened in Heartglen and must have known that Arthas was right. There was no time to waste and the people who ate the grain were lost anyway, instead of backing him up and convince Uther she just stayed silent and then left.
>I know you just spent almost 3 years building to killing Arthas >BUT HE'S BACK BABY >cue "Born to be Bad" Epic Orchestral ver
It's dogshit, but you're right, it'd be better than literally everything we've gotten since WotLK.
Devs at the time planted the seed for a future villain in Bolvar, I mean that's what everyone assumed at the time, that we'd eventually get a Return of the Lich King type expansion. Then they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with the character for years until they decided, "Let's just torpedo all the potential we've squandered here to have not-Thanos be the grand mastermind."
It is going, the concept is great but more or less implemented well.
Still needs a lot pof polising Also before soemonee asks TW, yesterday there it was 7K+ on today it was 6.6k and blizzard cant shut it down
ascension was good when it was free pick, the forced draftmode/wildcard shit has ruined the game. one gay made a video about it and normies loved wildcard since they didnt have to think when making a build. since then devs only do wildcard servers since it makes the most money
ascension is also massively p2w. lead devs are nigs that will shadowban you from global chat for saying anything bad about the game or disagreeing with them. was fun making the devs remove our builds by nerfing every part of it(stealth has a timer/pom does less damage when used with pyroblast/combustion only lasts 30seconds) . no one plays in open world everyone just sits in town and spams bgs/dungeons z z z
But those weren't god and the devil, didn't you listen to J'Lor? There are even BIGGER ones that are behind everything and we need to unite to stop them eventually.
Sylvanas is a beautiful disaster.
I was in the lore forums being an autist all the way back in cata and I swear some of those homosexuals went on to become blizzard employees because the hate boner was immense and almost all their gay ideas became canon.
Nobody could fricking drop the "Warcrimes" in cataclysm and it spread like a malignant tumor into being the center focus of the plot for like THREE fricking expansions. Like holy frick imagine the surreal concept of Sylvanas being le supreme kekeku for entire expansions all because some people were asshurt that Blizz let the forsaken commit a micro-holocaust in Cataclysm?
1 year ago
Anonymous
people on the horde who decided they didnt want to be bad guys any more?
>"Let's have the characters dump exposition about what's going on right now in a way that even a drooling toddler can understand!" >Never lets them have any natural sounding conversations, not to mention any meaningful character moments
I hate it when they do this
I LITERALLY have never fricking been in a guild, I could have joined one but there are so many I had no real interest in joining a guild to begin with, seems like it's hard to find a guild and some guilds are like fricking cults. They take that shit seriously, you can get kicked out pretty easily if you're not serious about playing the game or if you miss "LE RAID NIGHT" though I imagine it'd be more fun if I had people to play with.
I'm sure if you go over to /vg/ they have a constant WoW thread up and you could probably find people to play with over there. I also never played on RP servers and I know those are pretty popular.
There are like thousands of casual guilds, and I'm an indecisive person, I know it doesn't matter, but it feels weird just jumping into a guild randomly.
It's amazing that you believe that and Blizzard still has such die-hard WoW fans. I figured most of them had moved on. We have more FFXIV threads on Ganker then WoW threads, come to think of it I never see WoW threads on here. You'd have to go to /vg/ to actively discuss it.
This seems so fricking bizarre to me, so does that mean you'll just have horde and alliance players in a guild together? So you can play alongside the opposing faction now? Kek
nothing wrong with that. expansion started with an npc saying:"don't bring your faction wars to the dragon isles". throughout the entirety of world of warcraft the alliance and horde overcoming their difference was one of the major plot points.
I just want to viciously frick Jaina's butthole until it's nothing but a gaping cum-filled crater
Yes it's world of getalongcraft now
You know just ignore the genocides and the other bullshit the horde has committed, blizzard certainly seems to have forgotten about it.
>Centaur smiles when he sees the three slam into the ground >Walks over, sees a fricking flaming slenderman in a cheap jumpscare >Horse steak, well done >Fyrakk turns into a meteor and slams into frozen ground >Rocky and Chilly walk off to do other shit while the trans dragons watch them
Not exactly a good cinematic. Fyrak looks like he's just some oh-so-wacky bad guy, unlike the other two who at least have some level of composure.
>"I am very powerful and relevant right now, and I will use [the thing] to do *dramatic pause* [that] *dramatic pause* [other thing]!!" >obligatory generic chorus orgasms in the background >"Time for those fools to receive our little....... *dramatic pause*...."surprise". (if you know what I mean) *wink wink nudge nudge*"
God damn, I love Blizzard writing
No. The dungeons they put on the rotation are usual dreadful. Jade Serpent, fricking really? Now we've got Vortex Pinnacle lined up which was never challenging just a pain in the ass. The expansion itself has mediocre dungeons like Brackenhide and Nokhud which are tedious dogshit of checking boxes till you can access the boss. I really miss the older dungeons where everything wasn't just an obvious collection of pulls and had some level of atmosphere
>Jade Serpent, fricking really?
Jade Serpent was completely fine >Now we've got Vortex Pinnacle lined up which was never challenging
good thing its getting tweaked? >Brackenhide and Nokhud which are tedious dogshit of checking boxes till you can access the boss
no tedious bullshit is light the torches in BRD, which youre going to jerk off because it was easy enough your shitter ass could manage it >I really miss the older dungeons where everything wasn't just an obvious collection of pulls
it always was
>Jade Serpent was completely fine
Come on. No. First boss is a waiting game for enough elementals to reduce the shield so you're just standing there. Second boss is either the stupid swap one which you have to wait for stacks to dissipate on so once again waiting or the laughably easy sun one. I will commend them on making the trash pulls unique. Third boss is your standard shit all over the floor one. Final has a stacking mechanic that's it. It's too easy and it's just dull overall.
>good thing its getting tweaked?
You'd have to redesign everything from the stupid electrical reflect fields, the downdraft on the second boss, the princes that spot you and feign death, the healing pool drakes, the malfunctioning breezes to speed you up. I could keep going. The dungeon was never properly designed it would need a complete overhaul which is not what Blizzard does with these.
>no tedious bullshit is light the torches in BRD, which youre going to jerk off because it was easy enough your shitter ass could manage it.
LOL and yet it was a BFA dungeon mechanic once again. I would never defend the design of that room in either instance.
>it always was
It was not. There are plenty of dungeons from classic through to Warlords that defied this basic copy paste method. It seems to be a Legion onward problem which hilariously coincides with the start of Mythic+
>First boss is a waiting game for enough elementals to reduce the shield so you're just standing there.
They removed this and redid the 2nd phase for m+
Didnt read the rest of your post, thanks for outing yourself as having no idea what youre talking about like every other dogshit moron in this thread
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They removed this and redid the 2nd phase for m+
No they didn't. The shield goes down in increments of 25%. The only difference was before it wouldn't go down until all four were dead. Don't fricking lie.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He literally does not have the shield or add spawns on m+ and never has
Why embarrass yourself like this? Why continue to speak when youre clearly outclassed
1 year ago
Anonymous
>wash away mechanic is not in there guys, I swear
fricking lmao kys
1 year ago
Anonymous
wash away is the beam attack you moronic fricking monkey
There is no shield and there are no adds
I would rather have some dungeon with meaningful and well placed trash packs you have to clear rather than a dungeon with a million trash packs where you can skip 70% of it.
what's wrong with skipping it ? also you can't skip even 50% in any wow dungeon
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because it dilutes the entire dungeon and turns it into
FF dungeon design
anyways. I hate skipping and I also hate a million trashpacks.
1 year ago
Anonymous
blizzard dungeons are quite literally somewhere in the middle, especially on m+ - you can't skip and you also don't have to clear everything
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then some gay starts screeching that you pulled the wrong pack and now the key is bricked
1 year ago
Anonymous
skill issue
1 year ago
Anonymous
>m+
At some point(rating) you do the exact same route on every dungeon which turns it to
FF dungeon design
regardless.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i don't understand what you want
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is what I want
I would rather have some dungeon with meaningful and well placed trash packs you have to clear rather than a dungeon with a million trash packs where you can skip 70% of it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
but you do, it's just that you don't have to kill them all...what the hell
1 year ago
Anonymous
he wants corridors with the same pattern of trash trash boss x3 he has in his game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>corridors
As said, after a certain rating you also have corridors sprinkled with the illusion that you could variate if you wanted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What he wants is that you prune the amount of trash that you reach exact 100% after killing them all, that's what I've understand.
1 year ago
Anonymous
wasn't that one of the main issues with D4 - that you had exactly that, where you had to kill every single mob in a dungeon to progress and people wanted it to be like WoW m+ with a percentage ?
criterion had bad execution, there was literally no point in it after you've cleared, it, it was a one and done thing. Even as a xivgay I recognize that they fricked it up. all they literally have to do is make it m+ style with a seasonal leaderboard like pvp, doesn't even need gear, it will be niche but people will at least interact with it
Is there some way I can just play a private instance of WoW where I get buffed to handle all content solo, and just re-experience the world without having to deal with shitty-ass Blizzard or their remaining dicksuckers?
I didn't check what the image was but the filename said it was important.
Look up a solo client. They're out there. Once you do, you can give yourself all professions and tweak yourself or NPCs more to your liking. No idea what you do if you're not a class that can heal, but I'm sure people have ideas.
Every single attempt at measuring FFXIV's raiding population indicates between 15% and 25% of the max level playerbase clears at least one relevant savage raid at any given time. Parsing culture is huge among FFXIV raiders too. Stop with the cope please.
Mythics are an awful idea that Blizzard only likes because they can just make one dungeon a patch and force you to run it fifty times. The only upside is it segregates poopsockers from the general population.
>TBC just copypastes assets over and over for dungeons >Wrath doesnt even pretend to tune them properly, just thrown together and shoveled out >MoP and WoD dont have a single dungeon post launch >in no expansion was dungeon class balance ever a consideration. Classes doing 5-6x others damage was commonplace before >suddenly m+ >tuning has to be tighter, far more iteration >mobs and bosses have to actually have mechanics and depth >multiple patch dungeons return >class balance in dungeons is far better
Objectively m+ has more work put into it than the past
>mobs and bosses have to actually have mechanics and depth
Oh frick right off. I can memorise routing and mechanics within completing the dungeon twice. These mechanics have been done over and over and over. I cannot name a single dungeon boss in dragonflight which is unique. I started laughing when Greywing in Azure Vault was a literal clone of the WoTLK Oculus boss complete with the ice bombs and everything.
>class balance in dungeons is far better
Holy shit they put out a MASSIVE 40% player health and enemy health buff just weeks before Dragonflight was launched. They have absolutely no idea what they're doing. The number of patches fricking around with class abilities and talents is absolutely unprecedented. Have you done a timewalking dungeon lately? You can pull every single trash pack from entrance to boss and survive. They don't balance anything.
>Holy shit they put out a MASSIVE 40% player health and enemy health buff just weeks before Dragonflight was launch
and it was fine >The number of patches fricking around with class abilities and talents is absolutely unprecedented
yes because theyre actually tweaking things to improve balance rather than letting classes be 3-4x stronger than others >Have you done a timewalking dungeon lately? You can pull every single trash pack from entrance to boss and survive. They don't balance anything.
Timewalking isnt endgame and is meant to be a joke because its open to leveling characters. Imagine being so desperate you try to drag timewalking into a m+ discussion
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and it was fine
It clearly wasn't because we've had about 20 class balance micropatches since then. Druid and Pally got some significant redesigns done and it wasn't even a major content patch.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it clearly was because the balance was still far above any other time in WoW
Why do you keep taking small tweaks to improve balance further as proof there is bad balance in the first place? Classic WoW had absolutely atrocious tank balance and it wasnt until TBC, 2 fricking years later, that they even gave pally a proper taunt
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Imagine being so desperate you try to drag timewalking into a m+ discussion
Oh so you don't do any other content. No wonder you're fricking brain damaged.
I'm so hyped for 10.1. inb4 some sheep bleets "Blizzdrone!" Frick off. I genuinely take it personal when people insult WoW. I've got 3 years /played in this game. When you insult it you're insulting me, so don't be surprised if I rightfully call you out on your shit. What do you play? XIV? ESO? New World?! There's a reason all those games are a footnote in the history of gaming while WoW has always been king.
What addition in the new patch are you guys looking forward to the most?
>DUDE I CAN'T WAIT TO RUN THE SAME DUNGEON AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BUT SLIGHTLY HARDER THIS TIME
>mythic+ has been a thing for 30 years
how is 2047 treating you
Repeating content, grinding, farming, etc
if you werent raging newbies (which we all know you are) you would know thats what MMOs have always been
the only difference is m+ actually has a modicum of difficulty which is why shitters cry about it nonstop
As if you constantly parroting "shitter" wasn't enough, this is a good post to tell me you're underage without saying you're underage. How someone who's only conceivable hobby is video games can have such shit takes on them is beyond me.
its objectively true, which is why youre deflecting
camping the same mob for 10 hours
chopping wood for 10 hours
grinding mobs for 10 hours
welcome to mmos
repeating raids is fun because you do it once or twice a week, there's only one of them you need to learn per content cycle, and the mechanics are varied and interesting, plus you're doing it with like 9-29 other people, which adds a social element and makes it so that any one mistake is often recoverable without a wipe
mythic+ has ten different dungeons each with ten actual mechanics plus three affixes, out of which you run the same 2-3 500 times a week, but you still have to learn all of them, the mechanics are all simple so that mouth breathers have something to do but since it's five people the individual responsibility is higher so that a single lapse wipes the group and sets you back immensely, they're timed so there's no social aspect
everything about mythic+ sucks balls and it was only tolerable in legion because it was new, the fact that it took over the entire game for multiple expansions is not unrelated to the massive exodus of people who enjoy raiding and don't want to feel forced into participating in this gay shit just to pull their weight in raids.
>repeating raids is fun because you do it once or twice a week
you can do m+ twice a week >there's only one of them you need to learn per content cycle
the complexity of an individual dungeon is far less than a raid >plus you're doing it with like 9-29 other people, which adds a social element
5 people is plenty enough to be social >and makes it so that any one mistake is often recoverable without a wipe
and theres the root of it, game too hard when you cant be carried
Plenty of mythic bosses can be wiped by one player. Party size has nothing to do with it, youre just only able to handle joke content
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you can do m+ twice a week
you can, but if you want to do mythic progression with a decent guild, you're forced to do it endlessly
>the complexity of an individual dungeon is far less than a raid
which is a detriment, i would rather have one piece of content to learn with interesting mechanics than ten pieces of shitty content with simple but overtuned mechanics
>5 people is plenty enough to be social
nobody is social in mythic+ because you're chasing a fricking timer. people are sometimes social in mythic zero in the first week, aka the system that isn't mythic+ so it's not relevant to my complaints.
>and theres the root of it, game too hard when you cant be carried
it's the other way around, i hate having a single person wipe the entire group with one mistake when i'm doing all my shit right. mistakes being punishable is fun, mistakes being fatal to the entire group isn't. i didn't say raids were perfect, god knows blizzard does this too much in mythic raids too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>you can, but if you want to do mythic progression with a decent guild, you're forced to do it endlessly
firstly youre obviously not a mythic raider so this isnt an issue for you
Second the vault has a cap >i would rather have one piece of content to learn
Im sorry you have a learning disability, but real raiders have to learn multiple bosses not just 1 >nobody is social in mythic+ because you're chasing a fricking timer
damn thats crazy guess raiding is totally asocial because of the enrage time
or maybe you can talk and dps at the same time? >i hate having a single person wipe the entire group with one mistake
so like I said youre obviously not a mythic raider
m+ deaths are all recoverable
1 year ago
Anonymous
i used to do mythic progression in legion, i don't anymore because i don't play retail anymore because it sucks balls, as evidenced by the lack of people playing it.
repeating raids is fun because you do it once or twice a week, there's only one of them you need to learn per content cycle, and the mechanics are varied and interesting, plus you're doing it with like 9-29 other people, which adds a social element and makes it so that any one mistake is often recoverable without a wipe
mythic+ has ten different dungeons each with ten actual mechanics plus three affixes, out of which you run the same 2-3 500 times a week, but you still have to learn all of them, the mechanics are all simple so that mouth breathers have something to do but since it's five people the individual responsibility is higher so that a single lapse wipes the group and sets you back immensely, they're timed so there's no social aspect
everything about mythic+ sucks balls and it was only tolerable in legion because it was new, the fact that it took over the entire game for multiple expansions is not unrelated to the massive exodus of people who enjoy raiding and don't want to feel forced into participating in this gay shit just to pull their weight in raids.
Hello friend 🙂
I think these guys are pointing out the fact that the amount of repetitions of the same content was limited due to said content only having one or two versions (difficulties), instead of whatever the number is today.
I'm ashamed to admit I played every wow expansion up to troonyflight and I probably would have played this one too if they didn't put homosexuals everywhere. I should really thank blizzard for making the game so fricking gay even a prior addict won't touch it
I don't understand PvP WoWtards that think it's great unironically. I knew back in TBC with the shitty balancing and lack of care from the devs PvP would never be good in WoW.
Not until they figure out a better gearing system. If you’re new to the game wow is a fricking nightmare of shit to learn. Not to mention all the guides you need to read to download and setup a ton of add ons just so you can even be considered to do more than lfr
>Preservation is the most fun healer to play.
With echo as mechanic? Yeah no. Devestation is literally spamming disintegrate and feather your breaths. They actually recommend you tap your breaths because rank 1 is the most efficient. It's silly.
>Apologize to the dragons, NOW.
Oh my god who the frick is running blizzard right now? how the frick is that place still up and running? its been years since i felt second hand embarrassment from watching something on the internet.
The best part about all this bullshit is that they constantly strawman about how the player is tied to the ground when the last three expansions gated the ever-loving frick out of flight.
>Ads so bad and condescending that not even chink mobile scam games would use them
There is no doubt in my mind that these ads scared away anyone that was even just mildly interested in the game. I hope whoever made this shit has been blacklisted from the vidya industry
Yeah, I don't know what exactly their thought process was. >If we talk down to the audience, they'll definitely buy our product!
It's so arrogant. Reprimanding users for daring to question the quality of the product they're consuming.
if it's that dead they really need to just consolidate all their servers, the server list is way too fricking long now and 90% of them are completely dead
They really don't wanna do that.
Shutting down servers is the most obvious way to tell people "our MMO is dying".
Blizzard would rather work on a way to make cross-server action possible than shutting down tons of empty servers.
The moment journos write articles about WoW killing off half its servers players will leave because no-one wants to be the last stuck in a dead MMO
Not enough players for factions. Same thing happened to Rift not long before it went f2p. WoWs currently at 760k active players and dropping. Very few servers were an even horde vs alliance split to begin with and its gotten worse as the playerbase sunk lower year on year. Its now reached the point some servers have one or two raiding guilds because thats most of the faction on that server due to low player count exaccerbating existing faction imbalance.
Like the battlepass thing this is another step in preparing for 11.0's f2p transition.
They recycled and reskinned models from Shadowlands. That thing on the right is the Winter Queen reskinned, the guy in the center is a reskinned version of a Maldraxxus NPC, etc..
It's kind of sad how low budget the biggest MMO has become
The designs themselves suck, but I like the idea of them all having different designs resembling the elements. It feels very anime. >Okay, Zoro is clearly gonna fight the lava Black person with the big sword. >Sanjis fire feet are gonna cook the ice dude. >AAAAAAAAAAnd the leader will get 1v1'd by /our captain/
They're not great, but they at least sort-of try. It's evident that the main cast really want to at least make something work even if they aren't perfect, and everything after 3.0 has been built around the main cast personally enjoying their own characters.
Red dragonflight - Alexstrasza sits in Valdrakken all day making a list of orcs that fricked her in Grim Batol.
Green dragonflight - Ysera's dead but we can bring her back. But she's still kind of dead.
Bronze dragonflight - If you spell Norzdormu backward then that's going to be me in the future. We told you this story in Cataclysm already but whatever. Also Chromie is trans btw.
Blue dragonflight - Malygos is dead and Kalec is a fricking homosexual. Let's just use mirror images of dead dragons because we have no one else.
Black dragonflight - Oh by the way our father had like a million superweapons and a personal army locked away in his vault and he never used because uhhhh
uhhhh. Old Gods?
>We told this story in Cataclysm
Bronze dragons are the most under developed of all dragons in the lore. It's not a fundamentally bad direction for Nozdomu to perserverate over since it still has to happen even though Cataclysm showed he would be defeated.
Dragon designs are meh and now they have a humanoid form. Why didnt the lightning one transform into his humanoid form? >that comment section
No way those are real people. Or is terminal wow brainrot really that bad?
They probably unironically didn't think about the idea of protodrakes taking on a "primitive" humanoid form until this patch. Dragons turning into humanoids is a DND thing, it unironically had very little lore other than Deathwings Prestor disguise before Cata.
They did make some changes. Less chores, less wasted times, M+ has many affixed nerved or within 3 weeks time outright removed. Less mandatory content, more optional.
From what I understand they really peeled back all the chores that were so egregious about the last two expansions and the game is now more about doing what you want to do when you want to, and there's good reasons to do stuff like world quests.
They also make you jump through far fewer hoops to play an alt. Supposedly.
Its baffling there are people that didnt realize what made classic/tbc/wrath enjoyable was the community + the novelty. They are terrible games with outdated gameplay, especially classic. I agree classic leveling felt more like an adventure than its now, but everything else is garbage.
Classic : Leveling
TBC : Nothing
Wrath : Its the end of one the most iconic character arcs in vidya ( Arthas )
Retail : Better combat, raiding, dungeons and PvP.
Honestly what the frick happened to WoW? How did it get so bad with the level of autism creep? Wasn't Sargeras suppose to be the universes defacto big bad? I haven't played since MoP but seeing the snippets of what it is now how did it get SO BAD? The shitty Warcraft movie is more coherent than this fricking moronic capeshit multoverse garbage it is now.
basically all the old heads retired and they got people like christie golden and steve danuser to do all the major writing and well it's a trainwreck
there was a leak a while back that afrasiabi had been doing most of the heavy lifting writing the game since WoD and when they got rid of him during the scandal they also had to scrub him from the game, which meant scrapping a lot of the writing work he had done for shadowlands, so it ended up as this half-baked moronic capeshit as they tried to replace his work with danuser's because danuser is a marvelhomosexual
but it doesn't matter really. if you're still playing this game, and this has been the case for a decade, you're not really paying attention to the story anymore. you know it's moronic. you don't care. it's not what you're there for.
You can see the outline of what shadowlands was meant to be. It was most likely intended to be an expansion on the scourge story, since the Legion origin of the scourge was always nonsensical and a weak tie in.
The LK's entire aesthetic doesn't even match (Does Arthas armor LOOK intended for a Dreadlord?).
Whatever it was, ended up becoming probably the worst shit in the lore as far as afterlives go.
>How did it get so bad
It was always bad, the lore always had too many cooks syndrome. It doesn't help that even the classic old guard devs like Metzen didn't really give a frick about lore consistency and rule-of-cooled it the entire way through.
People may disagree but the WoW Chronicles books that came out in Legion where the most concise WoW lore had ever gotten since the WoW RPG. It's a shame that they became retconned within the SAME expansion.
>Wasn't Sargeras supposed to be the universes big bad
He and the Void Lords are equal parts evil. If you're talking about these big dumb dragons, blizzards pulling a Lei Shin out of their ass, they aren't meant to be the same power level as former threats.
I still to this day, wonder how they ever let Afrasabi become the story lead. It had to be a general case of being the most senior member of the team when the last guy left, cause how he handled the story, burning through shit left and right for Legion and early BFA may have been "great" in the moment, but really fricked the games story department over as time moved on.
Never forgetti that Afrasabi basically killed Voljin off first chance he could, in such a lackluster way, so he could put Sylvanas in the warchief role and give her the same treatment he was pissed Garrosh got. All while deciding Varian was allowed to go out like a badass
What the frick are void lords? This is the moronic capeshit marvel autism I keep seeing everytime I look back at the husk of modern Warcraft. The absolute joke of breaking the Lich Kings crown opening up a portal to heaven but it isn't heaven and you have some literal who walking Hot Topic figurine that's supposedly the most powerful uber being ever made, holy shit how can grown adults look at this fricking shit past the storyboarf and think it's good and even worse go with it?
Black person the way they're storyboarded as being this machiavellian force that controls the scourge, the burning legion and the old gods that are somehow pets to them is absolutely fricking moronic. Warcraft died with the Lich King back at Icecrown Citadel.
>controls the scourge, the burning legion
Wat
When did they say this?
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's complaining about the Jailer, and for some reason confusing it with the void lords?
Even though the Jailers influence on both the Scourge and the Legion is more of a dreadlord retcon?
Dreadlord lore is that they originally corrupted Sargeras, thus in charge of the bulk of the Legion.
Sargeras then gets retconned to being already team fel before meeting the Dreadlords.
This is then later retconned that while the lore is the same and the Legion was behind the Scourge thanks to the Dreadlords, it just turned out the Dreadlords are working for Denathrius who gave them orders for the Jailer.
Dreadlord lore is a hot mess
1 year ago
Anonymous
Demon lore is a hot mess. The original idea of Sarg was he was a titan fighting demons and then got sick of his job, allowing the Eredar to convince him to join them.
Then this was changed to Dreadlords and Eredar, then just Dreadlords after the Draenei retcon in BC. Blizzard kept shilling the dreardlords likely because of their role in TFT since Eredar had the leader role in the base game.
The Nu Lore decided to say that Dreadlords aren't originally demons, but afterlife angels made by an afterlife robot. They got attacked by a naaru who caught them doing some still unknown "blasphemy" and were banished into the nether where they became demons only to keep serving Dad and manipulating the entire universe with their spies.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Demon lore is a hot mess.
This tbh.
If it wasn't for the retcons that happened around Demon Lore in WoD, or demon lore in general, I doubt we'd have ever reached the level of cosmic lore we're stuck with now.
The biggest mistake they ever made was saying all demons across all timelines are the same exact being back in WoD and then the mess of doubling down on you can't kill a demon properly unless it's in the Twisting Nether.
It just opened up an entire can of worms that hasn't been able to been shut since.
Now we've got the demon lore being adapted to try and justify all characters they wanna bring back with, when you die, you go back to the realm your being has the most connection with. Death, void, twisting nether, emerald dream, yada yada.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The WoD demon time shit is so stupid not even nu blizzard acknowledges it. It was a very last minute thing too, all of WoD plays off the alt time line including Alt Kil'jaden getting cucked by Archimonde due to the time alterations ruining his orc plan.
It doesn't make sense and is never mentioned again beyond explaining why archimonde is perma dead an alt Gul'dan.
You're confusing the Void Lords with Zovaal and Denathrius. They aren't void lords, they're afterlife robots. It was Zovaal who pulled the "I did fricking everything teh hee" thing and Denathrius who was made into "dad of all Dreadlords"
Trust me you're getting mad at something that was probably the old guards last breath into the franchise. Danuser has done NOTHING with the void lords at all outside of implying they can frick with the shadowlands and they might as well have been retconned/discarded from the lore for even gayer shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Any way you slice it it's pretty fricking moronic and I don't really care. It's just sad to see grown ass adults, well middle aged leftover women and furry trannies mostly thinking this fricking garbage is something that's good. The power creep is so moronic, childhood memories are just being defiled, you hate to see it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The only reason I'm defending it is because the WoW Chronicles were the most concise WoW lore had ever been.
They covered the world history (Both Azeroth and Draenor), explained most races, attempted to make sense of the magic system even if it kind of sucked, cleaned up redundancies (I.E Loa talking animals and Ancient Guardian talking animals were two different things before these book) and a bunch of other shit.
In my head cope, Chronicles is the official canon and a decent way to remember the WC series even if it got retconned immediately after.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i will never forgive them for finally getting my hands on all 3 books only to retcon stuff and backpedal on a lot of shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't get it, they did a bunch of shit people were curious about for years but not even Metzen gave a frick about.
Like Orcs. Where did they come from? Oh hey chronicles explains they have a common ancestry with ogres, which all descend from cool cyclops magma giant created by craftman titan when he briefly visited the world.
It explains how Orcs were the furthest removed from the Breaker kin and how they went from lowly cave peasants to a world power through cleverness and shamanism, because Ogre's had arcane magic (because they were titan creation descendants) but were too secretive about it and only their elites could use it.
It was all excellently done and really fleshed out shit the franchise had long missed. Why the FRICK did they retcon it all?
1 year ago
Anonymous
never forget
1 year ago
Anonymous
Explain whats wrong with it
1 year ago
Anonymous
The chronicles books was supposed to be the definitive lore books, but they retconned a lot of stuff claiming "it was just a PoV from the titans" and that the brokers in shadowlands had the more correct view of things, thus the books became outdated barely months after release
1 year ago
Anonymous
meant for
Explain whats wrong with it
1 year ago
Anonymous
But where does it state that the brokers version is more correct? Its just the brokers point of view (which is also subjective). And the map itself isnt even that different. Its just flipped a bit. Life and death are still opposite, order and disorder, light and shadow. Of course a broker author will write that HIS version is the correct one. Duh.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Danuser didn't like how the old team had this idea that the WC universe was born between two reality/forces of Void and Light, something that I swear was stated in a lore Dev post well before Chronicles.
Since he pulled 90% of shadowlands shit out of his ass, the Shadowlands shit was thus the new Cosmology. Ergo Life and Death are the new most important forces in the setting. Thats a pretty big change, the idea that WC reality sat between an Anu/Padomay type deal seemed pretty fricking important in the context of the Titans and the demons which were originally the two biggest forces aside from the Old Gods and the Light.
With shit like "the first ones" that sound like SUPER TITANS it just reeks of them pulling a Guildwars 2.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I feel like people over-look that they specifically mentioned Grimoire was a POV book, that was written from the POV of how the author saw shit.
There's still people seething about the joke about Tauren ancestry being hallucinations
1 year ago
Anonymous
Explain whats wrong with it
It's derivative and contradictory to a lot of shit implied about magic from BC, but it was better than nothing. The only thing that Irked me about it was Fel and Arcane being opposites.
In the old lore Fel was super arcane and all arcane came from demons, hence the NE rejection of all magic. They decided to deminish this, in BC arcane was made distinct but still nether related because of shit like netherstorm; it was just no longer guaranteed to corrupt you into demon shit.
The problem is, is if Arcane is magic magic then what makes fel different? They both seemingly do the same shit, fel just does it better but at a price.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It certainly was a switch from how they handled arcane and fel back in the day, yeah. It took a while to get used to the new interpretation of fel being pure sacrifice magic, but ultimately it isnt the ultimate deal breaker, i guess.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It never made sense for them to drum "magic bad" but give a sort of benevolence to the Well of eternity in the lore.
Once WoW started the Leylines mumbo-jumbo you can see where they decided to split the two concept. It also explained WHY demons go after arcane. Rather than have it be "because they eat it and are made of it" it became more of a "because they destroy it to make fel" sort of thing.
Even still, it was hapahzard after shit like Netherstorm of the Nexus showing arcane being unstable holes-punched-in-reality type shit and then go "it's order magic". Arcane had more reality busting stuff in its aesthetic compared to fel, which has been in "green fire attack" hell despite conceptually being more like arcane is portrayed especially in the early WC setting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
to be fair, some of the old arcane extensions from the corebooks was also pretty moronic back in the day. They didnt just went with regular addiction like you see it with the blood elves, but went even deeper and said that using too much arcane makes you grow a face on your stomach, turns your skin into porcelain or gives your a mental compulsion to cast illusions every day. And that just never fit into the whole game, with mages having their own mighty city state. We never saw any examples of dragon age level individual dangers simply by using magic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dalaran DID have a major problem with demon summoning and warlock conversions according to ingame books but yeah, you can't have a high society of mages in a setting that also makes magic a highly dangerous thing. Shit like Illidan or good warlocks already fits the niche they want with fel, not every mage has to fill that "grey warden" approach.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Fair, but thats a different issue. Having a number of mages going off the deep end and and delving into dark magic is as classic fantasy as it gets. But like with every story in that regard, those are the unhinged, the driven, the ambitious, the power hungry and the desperate. In a sense the new cosmology makes more sense, since you can have people study the arcane without living in fear that a wrong sneeze will turn them into an eldritch horror.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Which is why it works, aside from Night Elves. Night elves are a problem because their original cultural rejection of magic used to have weight. Now they look like morons, without even some sort of fervent religious fanaticism to give it a cultural flare like a muslim not eating pork.
Despite working better for the overall setting, it really diminishes the SHOCK AND RAGE or Illidan making another well.
Void lords have nothing to do with Shadowlands, and the story doesn't seem to refewrence them in any significant way recently afaik
They're the dudes who sent C'Thun from vanilla and the other old gods
>What the frick are the Void Lords?
The Old Gods are rip offs of the Old Ones in Cthulhu Mythos lore, like Cthulhu.
In the same Mythos there are being that span the universe rather than just a planet like how Cthulhu is on earth. These are the Outer Gods. Yogg-Sothoth which exists throughout time or Azathoth which is at the center of perfect chaos and is dreaming reality.
The Void Lords in WC lore seem to be the equivalent to Outer Gods and were created in the Legion expansion to give Sargeras a motivation that wasn't an abstract "nihilism" as earlier lore kept suggesting.
The idea behind them is they can't enter reality, so they throw their children, the old gods, around to worlds, to corrupt them. If the World is an unborn titan, it will become a dark titan that will let them through. So Sargeras decided to destroy worlds to prevent this from happening because under is reasoning a legion controlled universe is better than no universe.
The Voidlords have no been a major presence since their inception, as Danuser changed the plot to focus on his far more moronic "first ones" and other gay shit.
I must admit, I always imagined XIV were the coomers because they're weebs, but WoWgays seem to be waaaaaaaaay more outwardly cooming. >Panda ass (Pandass) >Futa Draenai >Made for BIG ORC wiener
etc.
WoW has always been a haven for degenerates like furries. Now watch as someone tries for the millionth time to claim Tauren and Draenei aren't furries.
whats there to actually do in wow if you dont want to raid? been kind of thinking of coming back after a very long time but i dont think i'll ever be able to deal with raiding autism
The same as there's always been, autistically grind for cosmetics and fluff items, and pvp.
If you're into that it's still a great game for it. The game is at its worst when there's nothing to do but raid, which is probably why people are bored with Classic WotLK right now.
If you like grindan there's a shit ton of random goals you can set, be it about dress-up, pets/mounts, or mercantilism. If you don't like grindan there's m+ which is dungeons that get increasingly more difficult as the rating goes up.
Cosmetics are fricking shit in wow though, nevermind texture on the body even, which ruins the whole thing on its own, but just sheer variety of what you can get is so incredibly lacking. Especially wotlk onwards when all the leveling gear rewards and random drops got standardized into few sets across armor types.
I agree, armor design got really uninspired after WotLK save for the odd standout here and there. Not to mention that they much pretty much stopped making armor that shows off skin altogether.
This facet of the game is probably the one thing about XIV that is objectively superior and I don't know why there has never been a concentrated effort to make armor less shitty looking.
ummm grinding cosmetics aren't to use them sweetie after all you can only wear one mount and one pet at a time, they're for ticking your AllTheThings checkboxes and showing off to your fellow sisters you've played the game for years and grinded up the 50 alts to throw them at the weekly lockouts
The same as there's always been, autistically grind for cosmetics and fluff items, and pvp.
If you're into that it's still a great game for it. The game is at its worst when there's nothing to do but raid, which is probably why people are bored with Classic WotLK right now.
If you like grindan there's a shit ton of random goals you can set, be it about dress-up, pets/mounts, or mercantilism. If you don't like grindan there's m+ which is dungeons that get increasingly more difficult as the rating goes up.
>motherfrickers are complaining about muh chronicle retcons when the incompetent Black folk working on this turd have been retconning shit since wc3
The lore and Story became utterly worthless with tbc with their asiatic and chink pandering
We know that homosexual, the point is WoW Chronicles was probably the one point where they had something. It was practically made to force consistency for their product.
So excuse us for being salty that it go ass rapped and ass raped arrogantly by another team.
the whole way they advertised the chronicles books was that it was the de-facto book of lore that was supposed to never be retconned
it got retconned literally not even a month after the first chapter came out with the Legion Argus raid.
>i know blizzard fricked up the last 49 times but BRO YOU DONT GET IT WOW IS SAVED BASED BLIZZARD FINALLY LISTENED AND IS GIVING US THE PATCH WE WANTED COME RESUB RIGHT NOW
What i gather from every blizzard and/or wow thread on Ganker : >blizzard.....LE BAD !!! >stop giving blizzard money because I don't like them so you also shouldn't !!! >WoW is OOOLLLD AND BAAAAD >dead game
My response is: why do you care so much ?
because they're stupidly successful, other companies think >let's copy what they're doing!
but the only reason they have any success at all is because they're trading on their increasingly tarnished marque
everybody in my office plays WoW, and they all fricking hate it.
how to i make my friends quit this price of shit game or sabotage them. over the past year they stopped playing everything else, don’t leave there house, wake up at 7 pm and play for 16 hours straight. They are sick in the head, i’ve seen better functioning heroine addicts. all they talk about is beating mythic razgard or some shit and i literally want to throw them in a mental asylum
you have to have stockholm syndrome if you still play wow, unironically
no one cares about dragons
>Champion Help us repopulate this dragon island. Oh by the way we're all gay-trans-pan-genderfluid asexuals.
I thought the dragons could no longer reproduce after losing their powers with Deathwing's death.
>years upon years, dragons have been built up to be these amazing, badass creatures
>all of these hot dragon b***hes
>finally get to do to the dragon isles
>frick yes
>it's just a gay colony full of dragon rejects and cripples
if it was a h-game then the concept might work
no one cares about WoW, it is a mutilated dead corpse played by milleniboomers that can't cope with the fact that their childhood is gone
It's boring. And all of them are still focused on the issues they had in the past. Meanwhile players are fighting enemies with one trillionth of the power of J'Lor.
everyone likes dragons
its a testament to blizzards ability to frick everything up that no one is interested in dragonflight
Dragons are awesome.
This shit isnt dragons. Its a bunch of fricking fursona's from a group of creatively bankrupt jackoffs coasting on other peoples work that they probably fricked over and out the buisness.
The fricking artstyle isnt even consistent.I fricking laughed when that fire guy turned into a Deathwing looking motherfricker with a giantass head and tiny body for a second.
>I fricking laughed when that fire guy turned into a Deathwing looking motherfricker with a giantass head and tiny body for a second.
Thats called a proto drake you fricking moron, theyve been around since WotLK
The concept of an evil protodragon faction that didn't like being mutated by titans isn't a terrible idea, but this is a terrible execution.
who cares, they still look fricking moronic, ART DIRECTION homosexualS,GET IT FRICKING RIGHT.
This, the OG protodrake design was actually good because they were given a sort of salamander fused with a T-rex look. When you start giving them more normal dragon like heads it looks funny.
That art direction came out in 2007 when they added T-Rex with wings in the first place
There is no reason to change that now when it's already canon
The design still isn't great. The storm one was alright and looked like a protodrake, the ones with Deathwing like heads look silly.
They all look like proto drakes in their drake form what the hell are you on about
There is no deathwing head. It's a regular proto drakes except that it has glowing fiery horns attached
I personally would prefer they redoing the protodrake pose.
Those opened wing looks really bad, they should pose it like Seregios or Astalos from MH
What is the name of this new protodrake?
The guys in OPs video are the primal incarnates.
The plot is basically that when the Titans turned the Aspects from protodrakes into true dragons (which is explained in a book), a bunch of other Protodrakes with an IQ above 75 said "No" and rejected them.
They fused with the elements (Made a deal with Elemental lords I guess, nu-lore is vague) in order to match the aspects in power, though this really doesn't make sense at all.
They had a big war and then Deathwing submitted to the darkness Kingdom Hearts style to use Old god magic to seal them away.
I assume the reason they look like random noseless deviant art fursonas in the video is because being Proto-drakes, they can't shapeshift as good into shit like elves, tauren or humans like true dragons.
Not true at all, the Dragonflights were very cool at one point
It's hard to care about WoW's storyline anymore with the reveal that the afterlives expansion with the Shadowlands. Especially considering how hard the Shadowlands expansion ended up shitting the bed conceptually
This too. Only interest dragon content was the Infinite Dragonflight/Bronze Dragons. Literally nothing else comes close to being mildly interesting
This. The dragon shit is the most boring wow lore and always has been.
i did care about dragons. i stopped caring when they inserted gay transracial dragons.
Furries and other mentally ill still care, nobody else plays MMOs these days.
werent mmorpg players always a bit sick in the head?
Be respectful
Be respectful
Show me your hands!
We're so fricking baby
>WoW IS BACK BABY
By Azura, By Azura, By Azura!
This is now an Elder Scrolls thread, N'wah
Oh great grand champion!
Let me polish your knob!
What is Lyg
atlantis. which is to say, it doesn't exist. its only attestations are the 36 lessons and the commentaries on the mysterium xarxes, which is to say, it has no credible attestation
>Protodragons are now just dragons
>Even though all previous canon says they were just moronic animals that could breath fire
Blizzard isn't even scraping the bottom of the barrel anymore, they've carved through it.
Whoa, must be the first time they retcon the lore.
When all you have left is the argument that it's been shit repeatedly to downplay it, you just know the game is too farm gone, even for drones.
>the four proto dragons hyper pumped with elemental energy arent just dumb animals????
>WTF, wow lore is dead and ruined forever
Ganker moment
>Scaled up proto-drake models
>compelling villians
>bro just trivialize things with green text lmao
Of course it's the moron with all those webms saved
He's right, it's literally just a large proto drake model
>bro just trivialize things with green text lmao
Like blizzard with those webms, right?
Someone post the rest of the webms, i want the shills to counter them.
This doesn't even make sense. Wouldn't land-based mortals be able to properly measure the land better than some translizards that travel in the air?
I know you're giving this your all, but we both know you can' actually sing the praises of this drivel, which is why you're deflecting to normalizing how shit it is.
these arent protodragons
they are part of the aspects, alexstraza, ysera, nozdormu etc are exactly the same as them, they just agreed to be the titans b***h and get more powerful while enslaving the others
the only 'protodragon' around is galakrond, and he is currently missing underground somewhere
They are protodragons though? That anon is right. Granted arguing intelligence in a setting that has had god like animals with intelligence in the lore IS moronic. I mean in the setting pigs are pigs but then Agrammagan was a big boar god who could talk. It's really not that big of a deal to have a few demi-god level protodrakes act like intelligent while most of their species aren't sapient.
NTA, but protodrakes were already shown to be intelligent in Dawn of the Aspects, with the aspects being fairly intelligent before they got uplifted into Dragons. As you say, smart protodragons isn't new, it's just the majority are feral and dumb.
The majority of them are still dumb animals. You got a few ones now charged with elemental magics being smart, thats it.
I was speaking more of how the Wild God cocnept allows for some species to ascend to a higher state of being.
We all know the book that Retconns Galakrond as the originator was Knaak getting revenge for blizzard fricking with his baby. Of course he'd make the Protodrakes Chimpanzee level intelligent rather than true beasts, he probably hated the idea that his Dragonflight children were originally dumb Wyverns.
I love how every single time, no matter the setting, people who use previously established lore to point out discrepancies are countered by posts explaining how they are wrong using writing that was published yesterday.
i dont get how im suppose to be excited of this lame plot? like all they did was digging some hole and told fire thing to dive in to it then they leaved the place.
i don't get why should anyone care about plot in mmo game?
Cope. Don't be salty that "your" game's story is a shitty shit frick-pile of schizoid marvel-like troony bait
rent free
I cared about the plot in The Secret World
I don't see why you would do a bajillion quests unless you cared about the world and its lore. Non-story gays must have the WORST goddamn time questing.
>MMORPG
>RPG
>HURRR WHO CARES ABOUT DA PLOT???
>redditfrog
>still playing WoW
>still giving them money
slit wrists
you frickers say this every wow patch and it just gets worse.
but go ahead. let's see how this is the one
Dragons are proto-drakes that were given magical power and intelligence by dragons. In WotLK when they debued they were described as "Savage animal-ancestors of Dragons."
It's why they're called "Proto"dragons.
>homosexualflight
wake me up when they announce classic+
Turtlewow already exists
why did they kill the classic tbc servers? i was actually enjoying the game again
Cuz only you and another 30 players were actually enjoying classic TBC.
People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla ( that is also garbage, but in a less extent ) Wrath servers are already empty.
>People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla ( that is also garbage, but in a less extent ) Wrath servers are already empty.
Kek funniest shit of the whole classic debacle was the morons realising that Cata - Legion was the golden age of wow
>Realizing.
Oh they haven't fully yet, they're still demanding classic+ even though it'd completely destroy the idea of what classic should be.
>People are started realizing Classic TBC and Wrath were garbage and going back to vanilla
So sick of seeing this. TBC and WoTLK is still vanilla at heart but with more content. More of the original developers were still involved unlike now. Wrath classic doesn't even have dungeon finder, which is one of the things that would have brought me back to Classic for sure.
because blizz only promised to keep classic wow servers up after. TBC, Wrath and anything else that comes after will be shutdown after it's done.
tbc fricking sucked man
are those troony dragons?
i urge you to take meds
woah, an underground zone?! I'm resubbing today!
>WoW IS BACK BABY
Anon, this isn't healthy. You need to let it go. You're in an abusive relationship.
Neither is seething, obsessing and being bitter about a game people claim they no longer play. Yet here we are
Holy fricking marvel.
Legion cinematics were better
Never cared about the shit story in WoW I'm just waiting for season 2 of the arena to start.
I'm tired of all the illiterate autistic c**ts on this board who don't have a fricking clue what makes a game good
The WoW storyline and RPG elements are extremely pozzed and fricked, but they've been fricked for about 15 years
Barely anyone who plays gives a shit, same as nobody gives a shit about the world-building of Tetris either
The mechanical gameplay is the best its ever been
Don't respond to my fricking post if you haven't actually played to a decent level
I don't want your shit < 50 percentile opinion on anything
Go play Skyrim c**t
>The mechanical gameplay is the best its ever been
Lmao playing a rotation simulator for gameplay
The rotation is tutorial-level shit. It's supposed to be so easy and easily-memorized that it's the equivalent of clicking the mouse in an FPS
You're just so shit at video games you never even passed the tutorial, and you're salty about it
Wowers don't play videogames
do you think mythic+ is actually good though
>Stop reminding me I'm in a uninteresting skinner box
I parsed 99%s and had the best in the world for DH during legion on Argus, I also had Gladiator/AM titles.
WoW is dogshit and if you play it you're a mental slave, simple as. There are a myriad of better games out there, competitive mutliplayer games, even.
(You) can't quit even if you wanted to. Don't kid yourself.
None of this is true, cute larp
Nobody says "best in the world" they say r1
Nobody would ever talk about AM title because its wholly unremarkable other than being dumb enough to have played 5s, especially if you were actually glad
sure thing gaylord, want me to say 100% instead? r1 is only used in terms of pvp rank, though i stopped playing in legion so i dont know if your gayspeak developed further
there's nothing wrong with mentioning AM, and yes 5s was a zerg fest, but I know for a fact I am better than you at this game in every conceivable way, but we're on Ganker and that doesn't matter in the slightest.
my point being: get better taste in a competitive skill based multiplayer games. running around with 24 morons trying to get server firsts was fun a long time ago, but it's time to move on.
Raiding isnt 25 man and hasnt been stuck to 25 since Wrath
Nobody cares about AM, nobody will ever care about AM, you mentioning it is a joke and makes it clear youre some rat 1500 player larping
Every single post you make is plainly obvious youre just making it up
I dont care if you dont believe me, but there's no achievement in WoW that deserves more respect that you can find in other games. it's an easy game for simpletons, simple as.
Define the word "Pozzed".
>Barely anyone who plays gives a shit
This, I've skipped through dialogues so hard in DF, it was unreal. Especially the centaurs with their meme-tier shit gave me the utter cringe.
>Be respectful
>Be respectful
>Be respectful
FFXIV is dead. It never topped WOW: we have hard numbers that the only "peak" FFXIV ever reached was maybe a million players. If you think WOW ever went below 3 million: you're delusional. FFXIV players were only good at being loud and convincing the ill-informed that WOW "was dead" and their shit was better. But the numbers don't lie. No one watched FFXIV on twitch; meanwhile WOW is still one of the most popular games. And guess what? Every single influencer that went to FFXIV...is back to WOW and they're not looking back! Asmongold, Bellular, Preach, Nobbel etc etc...FFXIV is shit compared to WOW. The content speaks for itself.
FFXIV is fine on its own, but in a world where WOW and FFXIV exist there is 0 reason to play FFXIV.
No one in this thread mentioned ffxiv but you. It makes you sound desperate
>don't play our game, bigot
>why aren't you playing our game, bigot
WoW Black folk are so pathetic.
>Blizzard reveals a decent looking cutscene
>OMG WOW IS BACK GUYS LOOK SO COOL!!!
>expansion that follows is mediocre
repeat
>mediocre
in the wowgay's dreams, they with a modern wow expansion could be mediocre
I'm still having fun with my thicc wife.
>thicc
That's fat. She is obese.
Do the Kul Tiran men upset you as well?
Fat men are funny. Fat women can be funny too but you're just misusing vernacular to conceal your degenerate fetish.
>The rotation is tutorial-level shit.
You're not helping your case.
>Fat women can be funny too
Women can't be funny.
This, women trigger me harder than anything in existence, the sooner we eradicate them and perfect cloning the better.
Looks like "she" has a wiener.
I think it's really funny this is the least played race/gender combo. Trannies will b***h and moan about adding in "representation" but at the end of the day they'll pick Blood Elf 99% of the time over an ugly fat slob.
Always makes me think of this post. If female Kul'tiran's had even a fraction of the muscles that the men do they might have had something. But instead its just fat chicks.
>If female Kul'tiran's had even a fraction of the muscles that the men do they might have had something. But instead its just fat chicks.
Periodic reminder that they have models for musclewoman kultiran but they choose to not use them. They only need a few retouches on the face and it's done.
Kul'tirans really are just "fat humans, the race" to satiate the narcissism of unkempt slobby women.
>I'm gonna make a blood elf, though
>thicc
that's fat and disgusting. get some some standards in your life moron. actually KYS instead. Now
""""""Thicc"""""" has always meant fat
She's just like me!
>Clothes/armors are still a layer of paint on your characters skin
>have to play through some of the worst content blizzard has ever produced (post-Legion) to unlock the based allied races. Frick the troon devs and dilator they rode in on
Is HC classic more popular than retail now? Retail gets no discussion anymore any views on youtube/twitch for it have fallen through the floor
not playing lgbtcraft
gameplay?
The fact that the game still has players is amazing to me, but I suppose you'll always have the loyal few that will keep playing regardless of how bad the game gets.
I tried playing Shadowlands when it first came out, got bored within a few days and dropped it, didn't even make it a week. The last time I had fun playing is when I tried making a level 1 from scratch and attempted to level it up through questing, think I got to level 60 something before getting bored. I'll admit it's kind of fun just to zone out and level a character by doing quests but you just get so bored of it after the first 50-60 levels.
Every now and again I get the "wow itch" but it's not as bad as it was in recent years. I know if I was to reinstall it I'd only play for a few days, if not a week and then uninstall it, and I gotta admit that I had more fun playing FFXVI. I was actually considering reinstalling FFXVI just to play Endwalker.
high player count is not the meta anymore with mmos. it's the number of active whales. Blizz has a that in quantity.
>Blizzard has tons of whales
Because they're mentally insane and are prepared to blow most of their income on Diablo and World of Warcraft, especially when the new Diablo game releases this summer. It has a battlepass with like 80 hours of content and I believe people can pay money to complete it early or get other bonus stuff.
My larger point was that I simply found FFXVI to be more enjoyable than World of Warcraft, just overall. I lasted longer playing FFXVI then I did World of Warcraft.
shadowlands was actual garbage. just like you I dropped it after a couple of days. but I've been playing dragonflight daily for over a month now. game isn't good but atleast it's fun.
Eh, I COULD give it a try but I know myself too well, I just probably won't last a week before getting tired of it. I'd also have to fricking BUY Dragonflight, so you know gotta make that investment, and if I drop the game within a week then that's just money down the drain.
yeah they roped me in with that extensive demo
I'm not sure I'd put it that way. new shit coming out is always exciting but with their track record I would not recommend just jumping in based on hype. gotta wait and see. underground zone sounds terribe (possibly no mount). new raid could be cancer. next mythic season might be shit as well.
eh, every guild on the server is recruiting. there are also pugs going on at all times. yeah people suck ass but on normal the encounters are piss easy.
basically this but at that point it's probably not even worth it. guilds come with a buy-in of time and being social. and if you're not even doing heroic, which a casual guild is probably not doing, then there's hardly a point.
>Quit WoW after a decade after the shitshow that was Systemlands
>reactivated ffxiv account at stormblood and played all the way to the end of endwalker's first patch
It was a phenomenal experience. I regret ever wasting time in WoW past legion.
>Every now and again I get the "wow itch"
I know that feel. But then I remember the one month I played BfA and it's simply gone.
Hey me too, I logged into BFA one day and just thought to myself; nah. Alt-f4'd, uninstalled and never played again.
I too played BfA on the FIRST DAY it went live, and my god was it awful, I was so bored, and then I tried playing the first week Shadowlands went live and that was awful as well.
I haven't even attempted to play Dragonflight, honestly a bit scared simply because I should know better then to keep going back.
The irony is that apparently the game is in a really good place right now. World quests are well done, mythic+ is fun (heroics are an absolute cakewalk through), dragonflying is a great addition and adds a dynamic gameplay element to traveling and classes are fun to play.
But BfA+Shadowlands scared everyone away and people aren't coming back. Two bad expansions in a row and people aren't interested anymore. The game's population and overall engagement (ie Youtube, Twitch) is way down from what it used to be.
Blizzard did their part, they made a decent expansion. But people aren't coming back after two bad expansions, the scandal, the mass exodus to XIV, and just having their eyes opened in general that they don't need to play WoW anymore, there's a thousand other games to play.
I started playing again a couple weeks ago after some friends asked and the dragon flying is alright, and the questing was okay, but the game still suffers from the elitist idiots who push people away. There is literally nothing to do if you play wow casually.
Unfortunately that's been true since at least the original launch of Wrath. There's no escaping the elitist way people play this game.
The raider.io shit might be even worse than gearscore was.
What is playing casually? You level up to max level and quit? There's hundreds of zones to quest in on alts, what casual content are you looking for?
I played XIV from 2012 to today and I gave Dragonflight a try when it came out for a month and I actually had a ton of fun playing Death Knight since I wanted to play something I thought was distinctly Warcraft from start to the some casual Mythic+ and trying the first wing of raid. Everything you said as a positive I 100% agree on but the thing that made me check out actually was raiding because the LFG and someone quitting and waiting to refill and wait for someone to travel to the boss area after every pull is an absolute fricking nightmare and I was told it was just always like this.
I left still pretty positive on wow and didn't regret my time with it.
Until Danuser and Ion are removed from the company I'm not coming back. And story-wise the game has been shit since Cata.
>Two
WoD was bad and Legion was only good on the patch it ended on, and by then the damage was done.
Players generally liked Legion, but yes, if you think Legion was bad then it was four in a row.
I remember being pretty tuned out with the game at the time. The idea of a whole expansion where you only use one weapon was moronic in the context of a game like WoW, and then how the game handled players giving them up for BfA was very sloppy.
I'm told DF has no borrowed power, which sounds nice.
me and my group played through BFA and despite it being shit we had fun, but Shadowlands just killed everyones enjoyment and about 3 weeks in nobody was left. then the harassement shit happened. right now the only people i know who play WoW are just terminally ill. "its the best expansion this time we swear! its super fun, i just kicked a player for playing a low DPS class in Mythic+"
I would love for a new WoW game that fixed a ton of issues but im pretty sure Riots new MMO is going to fricking nuke WoW into the dirt
>Riots new MMO
I can't wait for that shit to be filled with Black folk and trannies to appeal to the "modern audience"
Not only that, it will be more sterile than WoW so it doesn't offend anyone even remotely.
Realistically where was WoW even supposed to go after killing off its most iconic baddy?
literally anywhere but pandas and troony dragons
Who knows, the first two expansions ended with killing off the two most well known characters in the entire setting. Blizz was not planning anything out
It's kind of funny how Legion resorted to reviving one of them and going full apologist mode with him.
And then Shadowlands took the opposite approach and shat all over Arthas.
Arthas is a white male and Anduin is already filling that role so that's a nuh-uh in the diversity metter
>Cutscene:
>Arthas Menethil, surrounded by darkness, flanked by Valkyries or whatever
>one is holding Frostmourne (I forget if Frostmourne was lost or if the nu-Kang has it; whatever, Valkyrie can have a generic angel sword instead)
>being lead to an implied Oblivion
>appropriate Arthas music plays as the grim procession marches on
>the darkness gives way to a WoW landscape ravaged by Arthas' actions
>finally, to the left is The Mouth of Hell, to the right The Gates of Oblivion (substitute whatever the WoW lore equivalent is of these concepts)
>Arthas stops in his tracks, turns to the angel-like entites.
>"No."
>He grabs Frostmourne (or the sword, or whatever), kills the Valkyries
>Marches towards the Gates of Hell
>queue Title logo: "World of Warcraft: Hell to Pay"
There, an unrepentant Arthas through sheer force of will is going to claw his way back with a new army of the dead.
He was never 'corrupted', Sargeras didn't make him do it; damn it Jessie I did it for me. I liked it, I was good at it, and I was really... I was alive.
>No that's dumb
Yes but it's not transBlack person gay asexual otherkin.
Unironically, the only bad thing Arthas did was pick up Frostmourne, otherwise he was right in everything and even after he was getting mind-raped by Nerzhul and became the Lich King, he still kept the Scourge from killing everything. That troony Sylvanas simp over at blizzard needs to eat some dicks.
Arthas went full moron the moment he left stratholme.
Murdering the mercs and lying to his men was pretty bad. If he didn't know he was "in the wrong" he wouldn't have had to lie.
The real letdown was Jaina. She sawwhat happened in Heartglen and must have known that Arthas was right. There was no time to waste and the people who ate the grain were lost anyway, instead of backing him up and convince Uther she just stayed silent and then left.
>Arthas fails to explain the situation properly
>Uther fails to inquire why he's acting like this so suddenly
they both fricked up
Uther would absolutely know what the grain does, as he just saved Arthas's ass in the previous scenario from turned villagers.
He's just unwilling to face reality.
>I know you just spent almost 3 years building to killing Arthas
>BUT HE'S BACK BABY
>cue "Born to be Bad" Epic Orchestral ver
It's dogshit, but you're right, it'd be better than literally everything we've gotten since WotLK.
old gods so deathwing->azshara->n'zoth
then finishing off the legion with sargeras
end of development
Devs at the time planted the seed for a future villain in Bolvar, I mean that's what everyone assumed at the time, that we'd eventually get a Return of the Lich King type expansion. Then they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with the character for years until they decided, "Let's just torpedo all the potential we've squandered here to have not-Thanos be the grand mastermind."
>playing retoilet WoW
Come home, white man.
How's Duskhaven?
Amateur at best, incompetent at worst.
That's a shame, was going to look into it. Any specific issues stand out?
It is going, the concept is great but more or less implemented well.
Still needs a lot pof polising
Also before soemonee asks TW, yesterday there it was 7K+ on today it was 6.6k and blizzard cant shut it down
pve server?
I finally rolled a healer only to never see pugs looking for healers so I'm taking a break, great game though
Neat, how has this not been shut down though? And how predatory is their cash shop?
Charge and blink?
Why wouldn't you take blink on literally every character? short cooldown mobility that also breaks stuns, it's fricking busted.
>pay2win
That's a no lesbo.
ascension was good when it was free pick, the forced draftmode/wildcard shit has ruined the game. one gay made a video about it and normies loved wildcard since they didnt have to think when making a build. since then devs only do wildcard servers since it makes the most money
ascension is also massively p2w. lead devs are nigs that will shadowban you from global chat for saying anything bad about the game or disagreeing with them. was fun making the devs remove our builds by nerfing every part of it(stealth has a timer/pom does less damage when used with pyroblast/combustion only lasts 30seconds) . no one plays in open world everyone just sits in town and spams bgs/dungeons z z z
>WoW IS BACK BABY
Has he had any melties recently? They were the last bit of fun I had with WoW.
>i play with your mom lol
>peak blizzard body
if classic is so great why are they using modern addons?
this is the peak WoW body type, don't be jealous
wait was the south park dude based on a real person
iirc all of it was based on reports how Legacy of Steel raided in Everquest.
>not yet
that's literally the south park meme
>bunch of OC donut steel dragons
>you're supposed to take these as a serious threat
we've literally killed and beat both god and the devil in WoW
these dragons are a joke, it's the most forced non-story in the game's history
But those weren't god and the devil, didn't you listen to J'Lor? There are even BIGGER ones that are behind everything and we need to unite to stop them eventually.
> There are even BIGGER ones that are behind everything and we need to unite to stop them eventually.
this shit needs to fricking stop
>The game ends with the heroes of Azeroth fighting the concept of death
>somehow Sylvanas won
Sylvanas is a beautiful disaster.
I was in the lore forums being an autist all the way back in cata and I swear some of those homosexuals went on to become blizzard employees because the hate boner was immense and almost all their gay ideas became canon.
Nobody could fricking drop the "Warcrimes" in cataclysm and it spread like a malignant tumor into being the center focus of the plot for like THREE fricking expansions. Like holy frick imagine the surreal concept of Sylvanas being le supreme kekeku for entire expansions all because some people were asshurt that Blizz let the forsaken commit a micro-holocaust in Cataclysm?
people on the horde who decided they didnt want to be bad guys any more?
They will be forgotten so damn hard as the Jailer.
>Posts ugly MMO panda instead of hot MMO panda
Pic unrelated
I love pandas so much.
I want to squeeze those cheeks.
>"Let's have the characters dump exposition about what's going on right now in a way that even a drooling toddler can understand!"
>Never lets them have any natural sounding conversations, not to mention any meaningful character moments
I hate it when they do this
>Ahh, yes, yes. This is [Proper Noun's] [Thing].
>[Villain 3] devour [Thing]! Destroy other [Thing(s)] with [Thing]!!
"mortal....do .... the...thing...the....evil....be...stopped"
- t. every storypoint in wow ever
Still waiting for everquest-style timed progression servers. It's the only way old MMOs can be good.
I LITERALLY have never fricking been in a guild, I could have joined one but there are so many I had no real interest in joining a guild to begin with, seems like it's hard to find a guild and some guilds are like fricking cults. They take that shit seriously, you can get kicked out pretty easily if you're not serious about playing the game or if you miss "LE RAID NIGHT" though I imagine it'd be more fun if I had people to play with.
I'm sure if you go over to /vg/ they have a constant WoW thread up and you could probably find people to play with over there. I also never played on RP servers and I know those are pretty popular.
Lmao
What a piece of fricking shit this game has turned into
Warcraft my ass
There are like thousands of casual guilds, and I'm an indecisive person, I know it doesn't matter, but it feels weird just jumping into a guild randomly.
>casual guilds
>not a thing people only use for the perks
new Genshin patch has more hype and better gameplay/cinematics. I pity current WoW players.
It's amazing that you believe that and Blizzard still has such die-hard WoW fans. I figured most of them had moved on. We have more FFXIV threads on Ganker then WoW threads, come to think of it I never see WoW threads on here. You'd have to go to /vg/ to actively discuss it.
Yeah bro it's so popular they have to pull nonsensical cross faction bullshit out of their asses
Delusional troony
>Cross faction
This seems so fricking bizarre to me, so does that mean you'll just have horde and alliance players in a guild together? So you can play alongside the opposing faction now? Kek
nothing wrong with that. expansion started with an npc saying:"don't bring your faction wars to the dragon isles". throughout the entirety of world of warcraft the alliance and horde overcoming their difference was one of the major plot points.
get in line
Yes it's world of getalongcraft now
You know just ignore the genocides and the other bullshit the horde has committed, blizzard certainly seems to have forgotten about it.
I just want to viciously frick Jaina's butthole until it's nothing but a gaping cum-filled crater
She's for Orcs. Same as Tyrande.
Kys pathetic cuckold
COPE lorelet
>the mentally ill closet homosexual futa addict with his insane coomer headcanon is here
Jesus christ end yourself you pathetic abomination
Stay mad. Jaina and Tyrande will always protect Orcs.
Go back to /vg/ you disgusting subhuman mentally ill cuckold and roll around in the mud there with your fellow deranged dranny spammer
Keep seething alliancelet.
Your women belong to us and only proud Orcs can tame Tyrande's pussy.
FOR THE HORDE!!!!
ENTER
>Centaur smiles when he sees the three slam into the ground
>Walks over, sees a fricking flaming slenderman in a cheap jumpscare
>Horse steak, well done
>Fyrakk turns into a meteor and slams into frozen ground
>Rocky and Chilly walk off to do other shit while the trans dragons watch them
Not exactly a good cinematic. Fyrak looks like he's just some oh-so-wacky bad guy, unlike the other two who at least have some level of composure.
Man that looks so freaking cool; I can't wait boys. The new underground zone is looking incredible! I'm so stoked!!
How do I delete a post?
This is literally me. I look like this and I say this.
I'm trans I might add
MtFtM
>"I am very powerful and relevant right now, and I will use [the thing] to do *dramatic pause* [that] *dramatic pause* [other thing]!!"
>obligatory generic chorus orgasms in the background
>"Time for those fools to receive our little....... *dramatic pause*...."surprise". (if you know what I mean) *wink wink nudge nudge*"
God damn, I love Blizzard writing
Waiting for Wow Cataclysm
>WoW IS BACK BABY
I never thought I say this, but this looks worse than your gay little geckos
Holy cringe. Those cutscenes look like a cartoon for toddlers.
DF is worse than Shadowlands. I didn't think that was even possible
>M+
Boring as frick
Nothing will fix it
shitter alert
No. The dungeons they put on the rotation are usual dreadful. Jade Serpent, fricking really? Now we've got Vortex Pinnacle lined up which was never challenging just a pain in the ass. The expansion itself has mediocre dungeons like Brackenhide and Nokhud which are tedious dogshit of checking boxes till you can access the boss. I really miss the older dungeons where everything wasn't just an obvious collection of pulls and had some level of atmosphere
>Jade Serpent, fricking really?
Jade Serpent was completely fine
>Now we've got Vortex Pinnacle lined up which was never challenging
good thing its getting tweaked?
>Brackenhide and Nokhud which are tedious dogshit of checking boxes till you can access the boss
no tedious bullshit is light the torches in BRD, which youre going to jerk off because it was easy enough your shitter ass could manage it
>I really miss the older dungeons where everything wasn't just an obvious collection of pulls
it always was
>Jade Serpent was completely fine
Come on. No. First boss is a waiting game for enough elementals to reduce the shield so you're just standing there. Second boss is either the stupid swap one which you have to wait for stacks to dissipate on so once again waiting or the laughably easy sun one. I will commend them on making the trash pulls unique. Third boss is your standard shit all over the floor one. Final has a stacking mechanic that's it. It's too easy and it's just dull overall.
>good thing its getting tweaked?
You'd have to redesign everything from the stupid electrical reflect fields, the downdraft on the second boss, the princes that spot you and feign death, the healing pool drakes, the malfunctioning breezes to speed you up. I could keep going. The dungeon was never properly designed it would need a complete overhaul which is not what Blizzard does with these.
>no tedious bullshit is light the torches in BRD, which youre going to jerk off because it was easy enough your shitter ass could manage it.
LOL and yet it was a BFA dungeon mechanic once again. I would never defend the design of that room in either instance.
>it always was
It was not. There are plenty of dungeons from classic through to Warlords that defied this basic copy paste method. It seems to be a Legion onward problem which hilariously coincides with the start of Mythic+
>First boss is a waiting game for enough elementals to reduce the shield so you're just standing there.
They removed this and redid the 2nd phase for m+
Didnt read the rest of your post, thanks for outing yourself as having no idea what youre talking about like every other dogshit moron in this thread
>They removed this and redid the 2nd phase for m+
No they didn't. The shield goes down in increments of 25%. The only difference was before it wouldn't go down until all four were dead. Don't fricking lie.
He literally does not have the shield or add spawns on m+ and never has
Why embarrass yourself like this? Why continue to speak when youre clearly outclassed
>wash away mechanic is not in there guys, I swear
fricking lmao kys
wash away is the beam attack you moronic fricking monkey
There is no shield and there are no adds
>Shitting on BRD
Stop posting here, kid. Disgusting taste
FF dungeon design
I would rather have some dungeon with meaningful and well placed trash packs you have to clear rather than a dungeon with a million trash packs where you can skip 70% of it.
what's wrong with skipping it ? also you can't skip even 50% in any wow dungeon
Because it dilutes the entire dungeon and turns it into
anyways. I hate skipping and I also hate a million trashpacks.
blizzard dungeons are quite literally somewhere in the middle, especially on m+ - you can't skip and you also don't have to clear everything
Then some gay starts screeching that you pulled the wrong pack and now the key is bricked
skill issue
>m+
At some point(rating) you do the exact same route on every dungeon which turns it to
regardless.
i don't understand what you want
This is what I want
but you do, it's just that you don't have to kill them all...what the hell
he wants corridors with the same pattern of trash trash boss x3 he has in his game.
>corridors
As said, after a certain rating you also have corridors sprinkled with the illusion that you could variate if you wanted.
What he wants is that you prune the amount of trash that you reach exact 100% after killing them all, that's what I've understand.
wasn't that one of the main issues with D4 - that you had exactly that, where you had to kill every single mob in a dungeon to progress and people wanted it to be like WoW m+ with a percentage ?
Slop
>XIV shitter made this cope meme because Criterion was DoA.
lmao
criterion had bad execution, there was literally no point in it after you've cleared, it, it was a one and done thing. Even as a xivgay I recognize that they fricked it up. all they literally have to do is make it m+ style with a seasonal leaderboard like pvp, doesn't even need gear, it will be niche but people will at least interact with it
you have brain damage, severe brain damage
There's like 3 million daily XIV players. How is this turd still going, why haven't they all moved on to the better game?
Is there some way I can just play a private instance of WoW where I get buffed to handle all content solo, and just re-experience the world without having to deal with shitty-ass Blizzard or their remaining dicksuckers?
I didn't check what the image was but the filename said it was important.
Look up a solo client. They're out there. Once you do, you can give yourself all professions and tweak yourself or NPCs more to your liking. No idea what you do if you're not a class that can heal, but I'm sure people have ideas.
>automatic upload vs a ban if you are caught with mods.
Literally nobody gets banned for modding in FFXIV unless they talk about it ingame. FFXIV has no anticheat whatsoever.
Raiding is like 5% of xiv, Barry.
Every single attempt at measuring FFXIV's raiding population indicates between 15% and 25% of the max level playerbase clears at least one relevant savage raid at any given time. Parsing culture is huge among FFXIV raiders too. Stop with the cope please.
zombie simpsons in video game form
>modern simpsons in video game form
ftfy
Mythics are an awful idea that Blizzard only likes because they can just make one dungeon a patch and force you to run it fifty times. The only upside is it segregates poopsockers from the general population.
>more effort put into dungeons than ever before
>this is actually lazy because....uhh BLIZZARD BAD
ok moron
>more effort
>blizzard
what fricking parallel universe or fantasy land did you come from
>TBC just copypastes assets over and over for dungeons
>Wrath doesnt even pretend to tune them properly, just thrown together and shoveled out
>MoP and WoD dont have a single dungeon post launch
>in no expansion was dungeon class balance ever a consideration. Classes doing 5-6x others damage was commonplace before
>suddenly m+
>tuning has to be tighter, far more iteration
>mobs and bosses have to actually have mechanics and depth
>multiple patch dungeons return
>class balance in dungeons is far better
Objectively m+ has more work put into it than the past
>mobs and bosses have to actually have mechanics and depth
Oh frick right off. I can memorise routing and mechanics within completing the dungeon twice. These mechanics have been done over and over and over. I cannot name a single dungeon boss in dragonflight which is unique. I started laughing when Greywing in Azure Vault was a literal clone of the WoTLK Oculus boss complete with the ice bombs and everything.
>class balance in dungeons is far better
Holy shit they put out a MASSIVE 40% player health and enemy health buff just weeks before Dragonflight was launched. They have absolutely no idea what they're doing. The number of patches fricking around with class abilities and talents is absolutely unprecedented. Have you done a timewalking dungeon lately? You can pull every single trash pack from entrance to boss and survive. They don't balance anything.
>Holy shit they put out a MASSIVE 40% player health and enemy health buff just weeks before Dragonflight was launch
and it was fine
>The number of patches fricking around with class abilities and talents is absolutely unprecedented
yes because theyre actually tweaking things to improve balance rather than letting classes be 3-4x stronger than others
>Have you done a timewalking dungeon lately? You can pull every single trash pack from entrance to boss and survive. They don't balance anything.
Timewalking isnt endgame and is meant to be a joke because its open to leveling characters. Imagine being so desperate you try to drag timewalking into a m+ discussion
>and it was fine
It clearly wasn't because we've had about 20 class balance micropatches since then. Druid and Pally got some significant redesigns done and it wasn't even a major content patch.
it clearly was because the balance was still far above any other time in WoW
Why do you keep taking small tweaks to improve balance further as proof there is bad balance in the first place? Classic WoW had absolutely atrocious tank balance and it wasnt until TBC, 2 fricking years later, that they even gave pally a proper taunt
>Imagine being so desperate you try to drag timewalking into a m+ discussion
Oh so you don't do any other content. No wonder you're fricking brain damaged.
I'm so hyped for 10.1. inb4 some sheep bleets "Blizzdrone!" Frick off. I genuinely take it personal when people insult WoW. I've got 3 years /played in this game. When you insult it you're insulting me, so don't be surprised if I rightfully call you out on your shit. What do you play? XIV? ESO? New World?! There's a reason all those games are a footnote in the history of gaming while WoW has always been king.
What addition in the new patch are you guys looking forward to the most?
I hope your dam collapses and you starve, Chang
those elemental people look cringe
Because when you log in to the game there are people in it.
cope. Your OUTSIDE FACTORS do not matter.
Dragonflight is unironically pretty good but Shadowlands was such a frickup nobody plays anymore and the game is dead
As soon as the blue dragon zone lagged like crazy, I quit out of spite. I was already done with the gay storyline.
>DUDE I CAN'T WAIT TO RUN THE SAME DUNGEON AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BUT SLIGHTLY HARDER THIS TIME
hello you seem to be confused
this is how MMOs have been for 30 years
No they haven't moron
Repeating content, grinding, farming, etc
if you werent raging newbies (which we all know you are) you would know thats what MMOs have always been
the only difference is m+ actually has a modicum of difficulty which is why shitters cry about it nonstop
As if you constantly parroting "shitter" wasn't enough, this is a good post to tell me you're underage without saying you're underage. How someone who's only conceivable hobby is video games can have such shit takes on them is beyond me.
its objectively true, which is why youre deflecting
camping the same mob for 10 hours
chopping wood for 10 hours
grinding mobs for 10 hours
welcome to mmos
>repeating raids is fun because you do it once or twice a week
you can do m+ twice a week
>there's only one of them you need to learn per content cycle
the complexity of an individual dungeon is far less than a raid
>plus you're doing it with like 9-29 other people, which adds a social element
5 people is plenty enough to be social
>and makes it so that any one mistake is often recoverable without a wipe
and theres the root of it, game too hard when you cant be carried
Plenty of mythic bosses can be wiped by one player. Party size has nothing to do with it, youre just only able to handle joke content
>you can do m+ twice a week
you can, but if you want to do mythic progression with a decent guild, you're forced to do it endlessly
>the complexity of an individual dungeon is far less than a raid
which is a detriment, i would rather have one piece of content to learn with interesting mechanics than ten pieces of shitty content with simple but overtuned mechanics
>5 people is plenty enough to be social
nobody is social in mythic+ because you're chasing a fricking timer. people are sometimes social in mythic zero in the first week, aka the system that isn't mythic+ so it's not relevant to my complaints.
>and theres the root of it, game too hard when you cant be carried
it's the other way around, i hate having a single person wipe the entire group with one mistake when i'm doing all my shit right. mistakes being punishable is fun, mistakes being fatal to the entire group isn't. i didn't say raids were perfect, god knows blizzard does this too much in mythic raids too.
>you can, but if you want to do mythic progression with a decent guild, you're forced to do it endlessly
firstly youre obviously not a mythic raider so this isnt an issue for you
Second the vault has a cap
>i would rather have one piece of content to learn
Im sorry you have a learning disability, but real raiders have to learn multiple bosses not just 1
>nobody is social in mythic+ because you're chasing a fricking timer
damn thats crazy guess raiding is totally asocial because of the enrage time
or maybe you can talk and dps at the same time?
>i hate having a single person wipe the entire group with one mistake
so like I said youre obviously not a mythic raider
m+ deaths are all recoverable
i used to do mythic progression in legion, i don't anymore because i don't play retail anymore because it sucks balls, as evidenced by the lack of people playing it.
repeating raids is fun because you do it once or twice a week, there's only one of them you need to learn per content cycle, and the mechanics are varied and interesting, plus you're doing it with like 9-29 other people, which adds a social element and makes it so that any one mistake is often recoverable without a wipe
mythic+ has ten different dungeons each with ten actual mechanics plus three affixes, out of which you run the same 2-3 500 times a week, but you still have to learn all of them, the mechanics are all simple so that mouth breathers have something to do but since it's five people the individual responsibility is higher so that a single lapse wipes the group and sets you back immensely, they're timed so there's no social aspect
everything about mythic+ sucks balls and it was only tolerable in legion because it was new, the fact that it took over the entire game for multiple expansions is not unrelated to the massive exodus of people who enjoy raiding and don't want to feel forced into participating in this gay shit just to pull their weight in raids.
Hello friend 🙂
I think these guys are pointing out the fact that the amount of repetitions of the same content was limited due to said content only having one or two versions (difficulties), instead of whatever the number is today.
>mythic+ has been a thing for 30 years
how is 2047 treating you
It would be so easy to fix wow
I bet I could get half the playerbase back within 6 months on promises alone
I'm ashamed to admit I played every wow expansion up to troonyflight and I probably would have played this one too if they didn't put homosexuals everywhere. I should really thank blizzard for making the game so fricking gay even a prior addict won't touch it
Happy you managed to break away anon. Also kys for being a homosexual for so long though.
Cope barry
>Game is utterly dabbing on XIV after Square spent untolds amount of shilling it
Feels great
zivbucks malding hard at WoW still being a succesful MMO
>game has been shit for well over a decade
>people not only still pay for it, they're still actively complaining about it rather than moving on
>WoW PvP requires ski-
I don't understand PvP WoWtards that think it's great unironically. I knew back in TBC with the shitty balancing and lack of care from the devs PvP would never be good in WoW.
>RMP are some of the least played classes
Wew, wtf happened? Do you have infinite trinkets now or what judging by the most popular picks?
blizzard lost millions
she killed billions
Who the frick? You people are mentally ill
Imagine having anything related to Blizzard installed
Not even Diablo 2?
Pirated or pozzed?
Not until they figure out a better gearing system. If you’re new to the game wow is a fricking nightmare of shit to learn. Not to mention all the guides you need to read to download and setup a ton of add ons just so you can even be considered to do more than lfr
When is Classic (squared) coming out?
>Preservation is the most fun healer to play.
With echo as mechanic? Yeah no. Devestation is literally spamming disintegrate and feather your breaths. They actually recommend you tap your breaths because rank 1 is the most efficient. It's silly.
Who the frick are these things?
They were too fricking lazy and or inept to even animate the fricking centaur getting merked.
PUT DRAENEI IN OTHER GAMES
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Ah frick it, here its a compilation i found of those moronic ads.
>Apologize to the dragons, NOW.
Oh my god who the frick is running blizzard right now? how the frick is that place still up and running? its been years since i felt second hand embarrassment from watching something on the internet.
The best part about all this bullshit is that they constantly strawman about how the player is tied to the ground when the last three expansions gated the ever-loving frick out of flight.
>Ads so bad and condescending that not even chink mobile scam games would use them
There is no doubt in my mind that these ads scared away anyone that was even just mildly interested in the game. I hope whoever made this shit has been blacklisted from the vidya industry
Yeah, I don't know what exactly their thought process was.
>If we talk down to the audience, they'll definitely buy our product!
It's so arrogant. Reprimanding users for daring to question the quality of the product they're consuming.
>Cross Faction Guilds
What the frick are the point of factions now?
the game is probably too dead to support it now, same reason they made LFG cross faction. back in slands when it was also exceptionally dead
if it's that dead they really need to just consolidate all their servers, the server list is way too fricking long now and 90% of them are completely dead
They really don't wanna do that.
Shutting down servers is the most obvious way to tell people "our MMO is dying".
Blizzard would rather work on a way to make cross-server action possible than shutting down tons of empty servers.
The moment journos write articles about WoW killing off half its servers players will leave because no-one wants to be the last stuck in a dead MMO
they'll never merge servers because
>PR suicide
>characters with the same name
>guilds with the same name
It's to make Alliance playable, like 90% of all characters are horde nowadays
Not enough players for factions. Same thing happened to Rift not long before it went f2p. WoWs currently at 760k active players and dropping. Very few servers were an even horde vs alliance split to begin with and its gotten worse as the playerbase sunk lower year on year. Its now reached the point some servers have one or two raiding guilds because thats most of the faction on that server due to low player count exaccerbating existing faction imbalance.
Like the battlepass thing this is another step in preparing for 11.0's f2p transition.
The game itself is going troony.
Because some factions on some servers have like 4 players or so.
>Some dude at Blizzard still holds a death grudge against someone involved with making the Naga and refuses to make them playable to spite them
May death come to them soon so that Naga will finally be playable.
REPEAT AFTER ME
YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL DRAGON
YOU HAVE NO FOREARMS
YOU HAVE NO TITAN BLESSING.
YOU WILL NEVER LAY EGGS
This game is made for women now. The art direction makes that very obvious.
Same art direction as valorant.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO WHAT THE FRICK ARE THESE?
The protodragons can't turn into people too good.
Lady Katrana Prestor disguise kit no frills edition
They recycled and reskinned models from Shadowlands. That thing on the right is the Winter Queen reskinned, the guy in the center is a reskinned version of a Maldraxxus NPC, etc..
It's kind of sad how low budget the biggest MMO has become
Not sure I'd ever seen something with negative aesthetic before.
>We are le evil primal dragons who hate titans and mortals but we're still going to look like them doesn't have to animate the giant dragon forms
The designs themselves suck, but I like the idea of them all having different designs resembling the elements. It feels very anime.
>Okay, Zoro is clearly gonna fight the lava Black person with the big sword.
>Sanjis fire feet are gonna cook the ice dude.
>AAAAAAAAAAnd the leader will get 1v1'd by /our captain/
i really like them, especially fire boy
It's kind of sad seeing that poor wow engine continuing it's death march.
the first original concepts theyve had since draenei
Which one? All of the are reskins
Why exactly can Blizzard, to this day, despite making more money than any other company, at least TRY to make a trailer that is relatively exciting?
I just realized how insanely hard ffxiv is carried just by using british voice actors.
They're not great, but they at least sort-of try. It's evident that the main cast really want to at least make something work even if they aren't perfect, and everything after 3.0 has been built around the main cast personally enjoying their own characters.
Cinematics was the only thing other than music that nu-WoW still did relatively well. What the frick was this?
Clan Shikaar clan Nokhud zZzzzz the primalists Zzzzzz ummm Razageth's children oh oh and Deathwing
ORCED
Red dragonflight - Alexstrasza sits in Valdrakken all day making a list of orcs that fricked her in Grim Batol.
Green dragonflight - Ysera's dead but we can bring her back. But she's still kind of dead.
Bronze dragonflight - If you spell Norzdormu backward then that's going to be me in the future. We told you this story in Cataclysm already but whatever. Also Chromie is trans btw.
Blue dragonflight - Malygos is dead and Kalec is a fricking homosexual. Let's just use mirror images of dead dragons because we have no one else.
Black dragonflight - Oh by the way our father had like a million superweapons and a personal army locked away in his vault and he never used because uhhhh
uhhhh. Old Gods?
>We told this story in Cataclysm
Bronze dragons are the most under developed of all dragons in the lore. It's not a fundamentally bad direction for Nozdomu to perserverate over since it still has to happen even though Cataclysm showed he would be defeated.
The problem is again, execution.
Dragon designs are meh and now they have a humanoid form. Why didnt the lightning one transform into his humanoid form?
>that comment section
No way those are real people. Or is terminal wow brainrot really that bad?
They probably unironically didn't think about the idea of protodrakes taking on a "primitive" humanoid form until this patch. Dragons turning into humanoids is a DND thing, it unironically had very little lore other than Deathwings Prestor disguise before Cata.
I personally prefer that Primalist stay in dragon form.
Me too but the idea of them trying but sort of sucking at changing form is a little bit cool, even if the designs look like shit.
>the gay centaurs are in a cinematic now
Grim
Didn't they go to space on a gnome space ship in one of the expansions? Wow died a longggggggg time ago.
>WoW IS BACK BABY
This is just a cinematic
Did WoW change anything recently to make it more fun?
I was actually sort of hoping I would've actually gotten a response to this. So WoW hasn't changed anything worthwhile recently? That sucks
They did make some changes. Less chores, less wasted times, M+ has many affixed nerved or within 3 weeks time outright removed. Less mandatory content, more optional.
From what I understand they really peeled back all the chores that were so egregious about the last two expansions and the game is now more about doing what you want to do when you want to, and there's good reasons to do stuff like world quests.
They also make you jump through far fewer hoops to play an alt. Supposedly.
"game" for mentally ill
I know someone in real life with a wife and child and he chooses to play wow 7 hours a day. Their family won't last
Its baffling there are people that didnt realize what made classic/tbc/wrath enjoyable was the community + the novelty. They are terrible games with outdated gameplay, especially classic. I agree classic leveling felt more like an adventure than its now, but everything else is garbage.
Classic : Leveling
TBC : Nothing
Wrath : Its the end of one the most iconic character arcs in vidya ( Arthas )
Retail : Better combat, raiding, dungeons and PvP.
Is there any good art of the dragons at least?
Honestly what the frick happened to WoW? How did it get so bad with the level of autism creep? Wasn't Sargeras suppose to be the universes defacto big bad? I haven't played since MoP but seeing the snippets of what it is now how did it get SO BAD? The shitty Warcraft movie is more coherent than this fricking moronic capeshit multoverse garbage it is now.
basically all the old heads retired and they got people like christie golden and steve danuser to do all the major writing and well it's a trainwreck
there was a leak a while back that afrasiabi had been doing most of the heavy lifting writing the game since WoD and when they got rid of him during the scandal they also had to scrub him from the game, which meant scrapping a lot of the writing work he had done for shadowlands, so it ended up as this half-baked moronic capeshit as they tried to replace his work with danuser's because danuser is a marvelhomosexual
but it doesn't matter really. if you're still playing this game, and this has been the case for a decade, you're not really paying attention to the story anymore. you know it's moronic. you don't care. it's not what you're there for.
You can see the outline of what shadowlands was meant to be. It was most likely intended to be an expansion on the scourge story, since the Legion origin of the scourge was always nonsensical and a weak tie in.
The LK's entire aesthetic doesn't even match (Does Arthas armor LOOK intended for a Dreadlord?).
Whatever it was, ended up becoming probably the worst shit in the lore as far as afterlives go.
>How did it get so bad
It was always bad, the lore always had too many cooks syndrome. It doesn't help that even the classic old guard devs like Metzen didn't really give a frick about lore consistency and rule-of-cooled it the entire way through.
People may disagree but the WoW Chronicles books that came out in Legion where the most concise WoW lore had ever gotten since the WoW RPG. It's a shame that they became retconned within the SAME expansion.
>Wasn't Sargeras supposed to be the universes big bad
He and the Void Lords are equal parts evil. If you're talking about these big dumb dragons, blizzards pulling a Lei Shin out of their ass, they aren't meant to be the same power level as former threats.
I still to this day, wonder how they ever let Afrasabi become the story lead. It had to be a general case of being the most senior member of the team when the last guy left, cause how he handled the story, burning through shit left and right for Legion and early BFA may have been "great" in the moment, but really fricked the games story department over as time moved on.
Never forgetti that Afrasabi basically killed Voljin off first chance he could, in such a lackluster way, so he could put Sylvanas in the warchief role and give her the same treatment he was pissed Garrosh got. All while deciding Varian was allowed to go out like a badass
What the frick are void lords? This is the moronic capeshit marvel autism I keep seeing everytime I look back at the husk of modern Warcraft. The absolute joke of breaking the Lich Kings crown opening up a portal to heaven but it isn't heaven and you have some literal who walking Hot Topic figurine that's supposedly the most powerful uber being ever made, holy shit how can grown adults look at this fricking shit past the storyboarf and think it's good and even worse go with it?
Anon, void lords have been a thing since TBC. They were always supposed to be the big bad of void.
Black person the way they're storyboarded as being this machiavellian force that controls the scourge, the burning legion and the old gods that are somehow pets to them is absolutely fricking moronic. Warcraft died with the Lich King back at Icecrown Citadel.
>controls the scourge, the burning legion
Wat
When did they say this?
He's complaining about the Jailer, and for some reason confusing it with the void lords?
Even though the Jailers influence on both the Scourge and the Legion is more of a dreadlord retcon?
Dreadlord lore is that they originally corrupted Sargeras, thus in charge of the bulk of the Legion.
Sargeras then gets retconned to being already team fel before meeting the Dreadlords.
This is then later retconned that while the lore is the same and the Legion was behind the Scourge thanks to the Dreadlords, it just turned out the Dreadlords are working for Denathrius who gave them orders for the Jailer.
Dreadlord lore is a hot mess
Demon lore is a hot mess. The original idea of Sarg was he was a titan fighting demons and then got sick of his job, allowing the Eredar to convince him to join them.
Then this was changed to Dreadlords and Eredar, then just Dreadlords after the Draenei retcon in BC. Blizzard kept shilling the dreardlords likely because of their role in TFT since Eredar had the leader role in the base game.
The Nu Lore decided to say that Dreadlords aren't originally demons, but afterlife angels made by an afterlife robot. They got attacked by a naaru who caught them doing some still unknown "blasphemy" and were banished into the nether where they became demons only to keep serving Dad and manipulating the entire universe with their spies.
>Demon lore is a hot mess.
This tbh.
If it wasn't for the retcons that happened around Demon Lore in WoD, or demon lore in general, I doubt we'd have ever reached the level of cosmic lore we're stuck with now.
The biggest mistake they ever made was saying all demons across all timelines are the same exact being back in WoD and then the mess of doubling down on you can't kill a demon properly unless it's in the Twisting Nether.
It just opened up an entire can of worms that hasn't been able to been shut since.
Now we've got the demon lore being adapted to try and justify all characters they wanna bring back with, when you die, you go back to the realm your being has the most connection with. Death, void, twisting nether, emerald dream, yada yada.
The WoD demon time shit is so stupid not even nu blizzard acknowledges it. It was a very last minute thing too, all of WoD plays off the alt time line including Alt Kil'jaden getting cucked by Archimonde due to the time alterations ruining his orc plan.
It doesn't make sense and is never mentioned again beyond explaining why archimonde is perma dead an alt Gul'dan.
You're confusing the Void Lords with Zovaal and Denathrius. They aren't void lords, they're afterlife robots. It was Zovaal who pulled the "I did fricking everything teh hee" thing and Denathrius who was made into "dad of all Dreadlords"
Trust me you're getting mad at something that was probably the old guards last breath into the franchise. Danuser has done NOTHING with the void lords at all outside of implying they can frick with the shadowlands and they might as well have been retconned/discarded from the lore for even gayer shit.
Any way you slice it it's pretty fricking moronic and I don't really care. It's just sad to see grown ass adults, well middle aged leftover women and furry trannies mostly thinking this fricking garbage is something that's good. The power creep is so moronic, childhood memories are just being defiled, you hate to see it.
The only reason I'm defending it is because the WoW Chronicles were the most concise WoW lore had ever been.
They covered the world history (Both Azeroth and Draenor), explained most races, attempted to make sense of the magic system even if it kind of sucked, cleaned up redundancies (I.E Loa talking animals and Ancient Guardian talking animals were two different things before these book) and a bunch of other shit.
In my head cope, Chronicles is the official canon and a decent way to remember the WC series even if it got retconned immediately after.
i will never forgive them for finally getting my hands on all 3 books only to retcon stuff and backpedal on a lot of shit
I don't get it, they did a bunch of shit people were curious about for years but not even Metzen gave a frick about.
Like Orcs. Where did they come from? Oh hey chronicles explains they have a common ancestry with ogres, which all descend from cool cyclops magma giant created by craftman titan when he briefly visited the world.
It explains how Orcs were the furthest removed from the Breaker kin and how they went from lowly cave peasants to a world power through cleverness and shamanism, because Ogre's had arcane magic (because they were titan creation descendants) but were too secretive about it and only their elites could use it.
It was all excellently done and really fleshed out shit the franchise had long missed. Why the FRICK did they retcon it all?
never forget
Explain whats wrong with it
The chronicles books was supposed to be the definitive lore books, but they retconned a lot of stuff claiming "it was just a PoV from the titans" and that the brokers in shadowlands had the more correct view of things, thus the books became outdated barely months after release
meant for
But where does it state that the brokers version is more correct? Its just the brokers point of view (which is also subjective). And the map itself isnt even that different. Its just flipped a bit. Life and death are still opposite, order and disorder, light and shadow. Of course a broker author will write that HIS version is the correct one. Duh.
Danuser didn't like how the old team had this idea that the WC universe was born between two reality/forces of Void and Light, something that I swear was stated in a lore Dev post well before Chronicles.
Since he pulled 90% of shadowlands shit out of his ass, the Shadowlands shit was thus the new Cosmology. Ergo Life and Death are the new most important forces in the setting. Thats a pretty big change, the idea that WC reality sat between an Anu/Padomay type deal seemed pretty fricking important in the context of the Titans and the demons which were originally the two biggest forces aside from the Old Gods and the Light.
With shit like "the first ones" that sound like SUPER TITANS it just reeks of them pulling a Guildwars 2.
I feel like people over-look that they specifically mentioned Grimoire was a POV book, that was written from the POV of how the author saw shit.
There's still people seething about the joke about Tauren ancestry being hallucinations
It's derivative and contradictory to a lot of shit implied about magic from BC, but it was better than nothing. The only thing that Irked me about it was Fel and Arcane being opposites.
In the old lore Fel was super arcane and all arcane came from demons, hence the NE rejection of all magic. They decided to deminish this, in BC arcane was made distinct but still nether related because of shit like netherstorm; it was just no longer guaranteed to corrupt you into demon shit.
The problem is, is if Arcane is magic magic then what makes fel different? They both seemingly do the same shit, fel just does it better but at a price.
It certainly was a switch from how they handled arcane and fel back in the day, yeah. It took a while to get used to the new interpretation of fel being pure sacrifice magic, but ultimately it isnt the ultimate deal breaker, i guess.
It never made sense for them to drum "magic bad" but give a sort of benevolence to the Well of eternity in the lore.
Once WoW started the Leylines mumbo-jumbo you can see where they decided to split the two concept. It also explained WHY demons go after arcane. Rather than have it be "because they eat it and are made of it" it became more of a "because they destroy it to make fel" sort of thing.
Even still, it was hapahzard after shit like Netherstorm of the Nexus showing arcane being unstable holes-punched-in-reality type shit and then go "it's order magic". Arcane had more reality busting stuff in its aesthetic compared to fel, which has been in "green fire attack" hell despite conceptually being more like arcane is portrayed especially in the early WC setting.
to be fair, some of the old arcane extensions from the corebooks was also pretty moronic back in the day. They didnt just went with regular addiction like you see it with the blood elves, but went even deeper and said that using too much arcane makes you grow a face on your stomach, turns your skin into porcelain or gives your a mental compulsion to cast illusions every day. And that just never fit into the whole game, with mages having their own mighty city state. We never saw any examples of dragon age level individual dangers simply by using magic.
Dalaran DID have a major problem with demon summoning and warlock conversions according to ingame books but yeah, you can't have a high society of mages in a setting that also makes magic a highly dangerous thing. Shit like Illidan or good warlocks already fits the niche they want with fel, not every mage has to fill that "grey warden" approach.
Fair, but thats a different issue. Having a number of mages going off the deep end and and delving into dark magic is as classic fantasy as it gets. But like with every story in that regard, those are the unhinged, the driven, the ambitious, the power hungry and the desperate. In a sense the new cosmology makes more sense, since you can have people study the arcane without living in fear that a wrong sneeze will turn them into an eldritch horror.
Which is why it works, aside from Night Elves. Night elves are a problem because their original cultural rejection of magic used to have weight. Now they look like morons, without even some sort of fervent religious fanaticism to give it a cultural flare like a muslim not eating pork.
Despite working better for the overall setting, it really diminishes the SHOCK AND RAGE or Illidan making another well.
But they reconnected nothing about that?
Void lords have nothing to do with Shadowlands, and the story doesn't seem to refewrence them in any significant way recently afaik
They're the dudes who sent C'Thun from vanilla and the other old gods
>What the frick are the Void Lords?
The Old Gods are rip offs of the Old Ones in Cthulhu Mythos lore, like Cthulhu.
In the same Mythos there are being that span the universe rather than just a planet like how Cthulhu is on earth. These are the Outer Gods. Yogg-Sothoth which exists throughout time or Azathoth which is at the center of perfect chaos and is dreaming reality.
The Void Lords in WC lore seem to be the equivalent to Outer Gods and were created in the Legion expansion to give Sargeras a motivation that wasn't an abstract "nihilism" as earlier lore kept suggesting.
The idea behind them is they can't enter reality, so they throw their children, the old gods, around to worlds, to corrupt them. If the World is an unborn titan, it will become a dark titan that will let them through. So Sargeras decided to destroy worlds to prevent this from happening because under is reasoning a legion controlled universe is better than no universe.
The Voidlords have no been a major presence since their inception, as Danuser changed the plot to focus on his far more moronic "first ones" and other gay shit.
Man, Pandaren weren't exactly WoW's greatest moment. But they're miles better than the deviantart dragons they've come up with.
That one wind dragon is just an edited version of the winter queen..
I haven’t paid attention to WoW in years but are they still trying to put Cthulhu shit in the lore and make people give a shit
It sure is
why does it look like a disney movie?
Back to what? Being troony signalling homosexuals that have to replace women with fruit bowls to stop their urges to rape the employees?
This is just embarrassing
Why?
wow might be shit now and mmos might be fundamentally obsolete, but i still love night elf women
>but i still love night elf women
The few that are still left are mine so begone.
Kpop games!
nobody cares about your troony game
>>>/vg/
I must admit, I always imagined XIV were the coomers because they're weebs, but WoWgays seem to be waaaaaaaaay more outwardly cooming.
>Panda ass (Pandass)
>Futa Draenai
>Made for BIG ORC wiener
etc.
I wonder why that is.
WoW has always been a haven for degenerates like furries. Now watch as someone tries for the millionth time to claim Tauren and Draenei aren't furries.
whats there to actually do in wow if you dont want to raid? been kind of thinking of coming back after a very long time but i dont think i'll ever be able to deal with raiding autism
MOUNTS
MOGS
PETS
CHEEVOOOOOOOS
Cosmetics are fricking shit in wow though, nevermind texture on the body even, which ruins the whole thing on its own, but just sheer variety of what you can get is so incredibly lacking. Especially wotlk onwards when all the leveling gear rewards and random drops got standardized into few sets across armor types.
I agree, armor design got really uninspired after WotLK save for the odd standout here and there. Not to mention that they much pretty much stopped making armor that shows off skin altogether.
This facet of the game is probably the one thing about XIV that is objectively superior and I don't know why there has never been a concentrated effort to make armor less shitty looking.
ummm grinding cosmetics aren't to use them sweetie after all you can only wear one mount and one pet at a time, they're for ticking your AllTheThings checkboxes and showing off to your fellow sisters you've played the game for years and grinded up the 50 alts to throw them at the weekly lockouts
Pvp and killing the same rares over and over to get keys to then open up doors in a worthless vault
The same as there's always been, autistically grind for cosmetics and fluff items, and pvp.
If you're into that it's still a great game for it. The game is at its worst when there's nothing to do but raid, which is probably why people are bored with Classic WotLK right now.
If you like grindan there's a shit ton of random goals you can set, be it about dress-up, pets/mounts, or mercantilism. If you don't like grindan there's m+ which is dungeons that get increasingly more difficult as the rating goes up.
is m+ fun if im a shitter?
Stand around in Goldshire as a hyper-bull wienered negress while paypigs validate my existance.
every mmo in this list deserves to be moved AT LEAST one grade lower
>motherfrickers are complaining about muh chronicle retcons when the incompetent Black folk working on this turd have been retconning shit since wc3
The lore and Story became utterly worthless with tbc with their asiatic and chink pandering
We know that homosexual, the point is WoW Chronicles was probably the one point where they had something. It was practically made to force consistency for their product.
So excuse us for being salty that it go ass rapped and ass raped arrogantly by another team.
the whole way they advertised the chronicles books was that it was the de-facto book of lore that was supposed to never be retconned
it got retconned literally not even a month after the first chapter came out with the Legion Argus raid.
>the way
Doesn't Disney own the copyright for this?
>WoOoOow bro It LOOK SO GoOoOoOD
I bet people miss the sylvanas expansions now lmfao
>let's heckin' use Nelty to lure nostalgiatards, these fat nolifers can replay the same casual shit for a decade they will eat it!
ENTER
>disabled character using wheelchair
morons haven't seen a ret in the last 3 expansions
Which of these is best for grinding random shit in the overworld?
Guild Wars 2 and BDO.
are _______
>i know blizzard fricked up the last 49 times but BRO YOU DONT GET IT WOW IS SAVED BASED BLIZZARD FINALLY LISTENED AND IS GIVING US THE PATCH WE WANTED COME RESUB RIGHT NOW
Frick off and die.
Is New World any fun in PvP?
I want to shoot fantasy gimps with a musket.
What i gather from every blizzard and/or wow thread on Ganker :
>blizzard.....LE BAD !!!
>stop giving blizzard money because I don't like them so you also shouldn't !!!
>WoW is OOOLLLD AND BAAAAD
>dead game
My response is: why do you care so much ?
mental illness
Blizzard games are tantamount to pollution. Are you asking me to not care about the ecosystems in which I inhabit?
and how exactly ? what games did blizzard ruin outside their own ?
because they're stupidly successful, other companies think
>let's copy what they're doing!
but the only reason they have any success at all is because they're trading on their increasingly tarnished marque
everybody in my office plays WoW, and they all fricking hate it.
Where are the dogs
Up your ass you mentally ill zoophile
You know the Valve Artifact autist?
Well, I'm real similar to him in how Blizzard FRICKED UP custom games forever.
A new raid to save the gay frogs?
I think about the game literally every single day
>Retail and FFgays arguing about which loot hallway is better designed
lmao
Atleast FF doesn't make an illusion out of it while WoW pretends to have well designed dungeons.
>censoredshit
nah ill pass
how to i make my friends quit this price of shit game or sabotage them. over the past year they stopped playing everything else, don’t leave there house, wake up at 7 pm and play for 16 hours straight. They are sick in the head, i’ve seen better functioning heroine addicts. all they talk about is beating mythic razgard or some shit and i literally want to throw them in a mental asylum
call them homosexuals
>ctrl-f aberrus
>0 of 0
What the frick even is that? Never heard of it before
New raid that is not out yet, its gonna be released next month.
troony game
Here's your final boss bro
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