Wow takes place in a world named after the main continent of warcraft 1, Azeroth, which is the southern part of the larger landmass now called the eastern kingdoms composed by Lordaeron, Quel'Thalas and Azeroth.
FFXIV takes place in the region of Eorzea, which is located in the western bit of the large northern landmass called Aldenard, which is neighbored by the supernation of Garlemald, in Ilsabard, and the western side of the continent called Othard, also fractured in lesser countries like Eorzea. Scholars have a really bad time trying to decide what name to call the world from time to time.
>named after the main continent of warcraft 1, Azeroth,
Reminder Blizzard literally stole the name Azeroth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires_of_Azeroth
No it's good thing, blizzard are at their best when they shameless steal. What fricked them over was that they were the big dogs and there was nowhere to look for "inspiration".
It's Etheirys to the Scions who are probably the only people on the planet that know it's called that. To 99.99% of the planet it's still called Hydaelyn.
In 1.0 most of the planet didn't even know the planet had a name at all. That was all spread by Scion newsletters in the 5 years between 1.0 and ARR. Everyone will use Etheirys by 7.0.
And the gameplay, and the way the game is displayed, the ui, the way players interact with enemies and allies, collectibles, 'dungeons', the trinity based gameplay and so much more.
And despite having a great thing to copy they couldn't nail down why WoW feels great to play or interesting class design or go beyond what WoW doesn't do. Just disappointment.
>And the gameplay, and the way the game is displayed, the ui, the way players interact with enemies and allies, collectibles, 'dungeons', the trinity based gameplay and so much more.
Why do FFXIV players pretend WoW stole all of this, but ignore the fact that FFXIV stole it even more shamelessly than WoW did?
FFXIV players think WoW is just an Everquest clone. they've never actually played Everquest, though. FFXIV is far more of a WoW clone than WoW is an Everquest clone. Pic related.
WoW is what happens when you take a game like Everquest and splice in the rarity system from Diablo.
t. Used to play Evercrack for 2 years on and off when it first came out
WoW made things more casual compared to EverQuest, like not deleting your gear if you fail to recover your corpse, which respects the player’s time.
FFXIV made things more casual compared to WoW, like allowing you to teleport anywhere and fall damage doesn’t kill you. Thus respecting the player’s time.
WoW developers routinely show their contempt for the concept of respecting the player’s time. They don’t allow you to fly until a year into the expansion + make you do pointless rep grinds for it. Also, the covenant system was clearly broken but they refused to fix it for so long because muh roleplaying experience.
FFXIV continues to streamline the player experience as much as possible, whereas WoW just makes things more moronic because they know you’ll slurp up their slop regardless.
"respecting players time" is only an issue if your game sucks and is not fun to play. mmos can "waste" your time as long as the moment to moment experience is fulfilling. modern mmos are shit and unfun games that shower you with milestones to complete to keep you engaged.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Moment to moment gameplay is significantly more fun in WoW, to be fair. Moment to moment gameplay in FFXIV is reading text boxes and doing 1/4th of your single target rotation before the mob in the purple circle dies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This anon gets it. Grinding and tedium can be fun if the gameplay that it involves is fun and engaging. It only becomes an issue when the game, at its core, is not fun. "Streamlining" is just the developer's round-about way of admitting that certain aspects of their game are not fun or engaging.
When Valheim was the FOTM, no one b***hed about transporting goods - which sounds tedious, because it was involved and required navigating terrain or the seas - or better yet building roads and ship ways to make transport easier.
Today's MMORPGs are just shit games at their core with no real novelty because every other genre does the tidbits of gameplay that MMORPGS offer better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>tedium can be fun
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ffxiv player crumbles under the weight of the concept of having to play the game to be rewarded
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ffxiv player
ffxiv has plenty of tedium tho
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is doing the same mindless daily quest for a month really good gameplay, blizzdrone?
To say WoW invented collectibles is very silly. And WoW did not invent tab targetting, if that's what you mean by "the way players interact with enemies and allies".
WoW didn't invent collectibles, but it was the first MMO to feature collectibles as casual content. The difference between TBC and Wrath in terms of collecting as a playstyle is massive, and FFXIV only iterates on those concepts that wrath introduced.
>in addition to this, WoW invented transmog, which is also a concept that FFXIV shamelessly copied.
I fricking wish FFXIV would shamelessly copy Blizzard's transmog system.
Some aspects like a glamour plates are great, but the collection part of XIV's transmog system is fricking atrocious and in dire need of an overhaul.
2 years ago
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>I fricking wish FFXIV would shamelessly copy Blizzard's transmog system.
They shamelessly copied it with an objectively worse iteration lol
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>wowbuck going to try this shit again
don't even bother, theres WAY more trans wowgays and they've infested every level of WoW from the playerbase up to the devs
2 years ago
Anonymous
>theres WAY more trans wowgays
ffxiv players actually believe this lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
cope
Isn't Quin69 a big wowhead and FF14 hater?
Yes, hes the moron that bought a level boost and story skip, went into a raid, died because he didn't know any mechanics, quit, then started making up stories about getting death threats
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then started making up stories about getting death threats
Why does everyone do this?
"kys" isn't a fricking death threat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the difference is wow is ran by trannies
xiv is played by trannies (wow too)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, if Trans Lives Matter then how come 42% of Trans people are killed by Trans people?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If it's objectively worse then it's not a shameless copy you fricking moron. A shameless copy would at least be as good.
XIV with WoWs responsiveness in gameplay would be incredible. It's a shame that a game with a decent combat system is shackled the abysmal fight and class design
>XIV with WoWs responsiveness in gameplay would be incredible.
not really. XIV would still have boring as frick AoE, boring as frick utility, boring as frick movement abilities, etc. you'd still be doing 99% single target rotations for all gameplay.
Yeah which is an improvement over WoW's absolutely god fricking awful class rotations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you even read my post? You didn't address anything I said and just repeated the same FFXIV moron talking point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the AoE rotation is so boring
It's boring in WoW too >the utility is so bad
It's been homogenized to shit in WoW too >you just do your single target rotation
Just like in WoW >boring as frick movement abilities
I'll give you that really only DRG and NIN have interesting movement mechanics
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can tell how fricking terrible you are at WoW just from reading this post.
I've played both games extensively and prefer XIV more overall but its pointless to try talking about the combat in this game with the community.
People here have been so thoroughly brainwashed by playing this game and nothing else for too long and do not realize just how fricking laggy shit feels compared to nearly every other MMO on the market. Half the challenge of mastering your rotation in XIV is playing around the shittiest engine you'll ever see in a MMO and garbage arbitrary animation lock that, for example, won't allow you to go over double weaving, or has some meme shit interaction with server ticks.
That's not even going into just how unbelievably shit of a job the devs have been doing since Shadowbringers with job "design", it's like they're intentionally running eveything into the ground for no reason except perhaps making their own balancing work easier. They want every job within each role to be the exact same 2 mins looping soulless garbage so none will be excluded ever and everyone will be happy and smile forever (it's moronic because 1.people never get excluded based on their job in XIV and 2.even with good balancing people in this game feverishly obsess over negligible 2% DPS differences between jobs played 100% optimally on a training dummy). The XIV devs, in a game in which you can be ANY job on the SAME CHARACTER, decide to make EVERY JOB the same. Do you realize how unbelievably moronic that is?
Last time I checked in Legion, WoW was better by virtue of not having all this shit baked into it, this is how fricking low the bar is set. But that also applies to shovelware asiaticshit MMO. This is just how bad XIV combat is. Don't bother.
>they couldn't nail down why WoW feels great to play
WoW is the defintion of a sinking ship
literally nobody in the last 5 years started playing wow, it was exclusively people who played it in the past continuing to play because they've spent so much time and money on it
anduin breaking free of zovaal's control was some pretty cheeky shit. though i feel it would have been better if Varian and Saurfang hadn't said anything
>it would have been better if Varian and Saurfang hadn't said anything
Absolutely, that was the cheekiest shit. But the light works in mysterious ways and it wouldn't be farfetched for a sufficiently light-connected person to break free of control. Tirion prayed to the light while encapsulated in fricking ice and it gave him the power to break free and reckbomb Arthas.
>it also stole PotD
Torghast is far more similar to Nephalem Rifts in Diablo than it is to PotD. >and level-sync which it didn't even do properly
No, it does it better, because you actually get to play your class instead of having half your buttons taken away.
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
So you're claiming that Nephalem rifts copied PotD? Are you joking, or do FFXIV players actually believe this? >So it's completely fricking pointless.
Not sure how you made that leap.
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
do ffxiv players think ffxiv invented procedurally generated dungeons and that all blizzard's attempts at making them are just copies? i don't know what to make of how stupid your argument here is.
Fact remains that PotD came first. Cope.
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nice backpedalling
None of this is an argument.
2 years ago
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neither are
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
So you're claiming that Nephalem rifts copied PotD? Are you joking, or do FFXIV players actually believe this? >So it's completely fricking pointless.
Not sure how you made that leap.
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
do ffxiv players think ffxiv invented procedurally generated dungeons and that all blizzard's attempts at making them are just copies? i don't know what to make of how stupid your argument here is.
The only thing I'll give you is removing buttons for level sync is dumb. Doing anything under Lv.70 in FFXIV puts me to sleep.
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
do ffxiv players think ffxiv invented procedurally generated dungeons and that all blizzard's attempts at making them are just copies? i don't know what to make of how stupid your argument here is.
Rifts >PotD would've come a year earlier.
do ffxiv players think ffxiv invented procedurally generated dungeons and that all blizzard's attempts at making them are just copies? i don't know what to make of how stupid your argument here is.
We traveled to another dimension in WoW in TBC years before Shadowbringers
We traveled to another planet to deal with the big bad in Legion which came out years before Endwalker
We traveled to an asian themed area in Mists of Pandaria which came out years before Stormblood
We traveled to an icy land and dealt with dragons in Wrath of the Lich King and Cataclysm years before Heavensward
i'm reminded of the legion in game cutscene in which your player meets Xe'ra and you're floating in space. i can't find the example as all i get is 'rejection of the gift' but it was very much reminiscent of the echo awakening in the player character early in ARR in 2013
Xe'ra wanted to purify Illidan of his demonic form and make him lightforged and he just blew her up with his eye lasers. I don't recall anyone nuking Hydaelyn.
thats not the cutscene i'm referring to. its part of the class quest chain in legion, where you go find a chunk of naaru and store it in your hall, eventually you rebuild xe'ra and she zaps your conciousness away into outer space where she talks to you
not i specifically said its NOT the 'rejection of the gift' cinematic
Yeah I know the one you're talking about. So talking to an otherworldly figure while floating in space is the exclusive use of FFXIV and has never been done in any kind of media before ever? Neat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so if it happened first in ffxiv its derivative of wider media, but if it happened in wow first its derivative of wow. gotcha
2 years ago
Anonymous
No. I never claimed FFXIV stole story elements from WoW. I'm just saying WoW specifically DIDN'T steal them from FFXIV. My point is the whole thing is a silly argument in the first place. If someone wants to come up with a very specific example then I would be open to hearing it though. Maybe there is something in Dragonflight that is a beat for beat knock off of something in Heavensward. I don't know.
I really don't care for this WoW-XIV rivalry. Didn't YoshiP once straight up say that back when they were desperately trying to fix the game, they did take a lot of inspiration from WoW and looking at the system that worked in it and that they were thankful? Why are the fanbases to at each other's throats when even the devs show this much respect to each other?
Fanboys. We're both plagued by incompetant devs and will gladly point out the others flaws instead of admitting our own game is flawed and asking the devs to fix it.
>Didn't YoshiP once straight up say that back when they were desperately trying to fix the game, they did take a lot of inspiration from WoW and looking at the system that worked in it and that they were thankful?
Yes, YoshiP publicly admits it's a WoW clone and the players still deny it lol
>fan of media X makes media Y >diehard fans of X hate media Y because they see it as a derivative upstart >diehard fans of Y hate X because they see it as old and busted and past its time
MANY such cases
>every class with buffs did different things >now all buffs are +stam or +5% to all stats >classes had skills that existed almost purely for class feel, more of them were even added with glyphs >all of those were stripped out to be replaced with 'spam meter builder, then push meter spender'
this moron is really pretending classes were more fun to play in wrath lol
2 years ago
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>shill trying this hard to defend all classes in wow being mindless grey mush
2 years ago
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If classes are mindless now, what does that make Wrath classes, which are objectively easier to play optimally?
2 years ago
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>talk about class flavor and fantasy >hurr durr dey ez to play
moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what braindead means, anon. Old WoW classes were hilariously shallow and simple.
2 years ago
Anonymous
shill-kun
learn to read
we are talking about CLASS FANTASY AND FLAVOR
2 years ago
Anonymous
What class flavor has been removed, exactly? Mages still blink and time warp. Rogues still stealth. Hunters still tame pets. Druids still shapeshift. Shamans still use totems, etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>faction locked classes, horde getting paladins was a big deal to the point that BE paladins lore reasoning was a major part of the faction's story >now anyone can be a paladin if you look at the sun or like dinosaurs >hunters pets felt like pets having loyalty and liking different foods >now they may as well be robots >ranged weapons using ammo >now all ranged weapons just magically generate arrows and bullets out of thin air >ranged weapons had minimum ranges >mixing your own poison as rogues >stealth being a skill you could get better at to sneak better
2 years ago
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So you're saying they got rid of a bunch of annoying, unfun bullshit, while keeping all of the actually fun class flavor. Sounds good to me.
2 years ago
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>moron praising making the game dumber and more bland
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all of the weird shit surrounding hunters was becasue they were designed as the solo class, you didn't get many groups because you had literally nothing to offer and instead you had all these minigames to deal with
but then they designed everything in the game about raiding so they had a class that was just kind of shit at it, so they had to adjust hunter
this was the same reason why warrior being blatantly the best tank for raids in vanillia almost made sense, paladin/shaman/druid had a way easier time leveling but then hey made leveling less and less of an issue so it just became parts of your class kit you never used
MoP was peak class design then Legion came and fricked what was left after WoD by turning them nearly all of them into the same build meter spend meter class. And I doubt DF fixed that despite going back and trying to redo talent trees
2 years ago
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Legion destroyed classes. The fact that there are people that praise that expansion's lore and design blows my mind.
>I hate fricking alts
Why? WoW collectibles are all account-wide, so it doesn't matter. Leveling in WoW is faster than leveling an alt jobs in FFXIV too.
except gearing more than one class in ff is cancer due to upgrade mats and raid token costs for weapons
gearing one class every 8th week on average unless your static is feeling generous is so garbage
please yoshida reduce weapon costs to 4 tokens and let us use first floor tokens on upgrade mats
>you can access any ultimate with any ilevel
You can access Mythic with any ilvl, but FFXIV players still screech like banshbees about WoW geargating. Next?
2 years ago
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i don't see anyone complaining about wow gearing in this thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
So are you blind, or just illiterate?
2 years ago
Anonymous
link the post for me then?
also, this discussion is about BiS in ffxiv being for parsing purposes and glamour, please stay on topic
2 years ago
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i guess he left. oh well. i wanted to know what else i can do with bis other than clear raids faster and show off in limsa
After finally giving 14 a try it's alright I guess even if I've almost completely tuned out everything that isn't the main story and my class quests. Fun for what it is though I guess.
FF14's world building seems more genuine.
In WoW the planet is called Azeroth, which is also the name of the titan soul within it, Also the name for the kingdom of Azeroth, and then there's Azeroth the continent.
In FF14 Eorzea is the name of a geopolitical region on the Aldenard continent opposing the forces of Garlemald which resides on the Ilsabard continent.
The planet is called Hydaelyn by the people of Eorzea, but the ancients called it Etheirys.
>FF14's world building seems more genuine.
What does that mean? 90% of FFXIV's world is hidden behind invisible walls and you only hear about it in exposition dumps. In WoW you can actually explore the entire game world.
So you prefer the planet also sharing its name with a continent, and a kingdom on that continent? >Hello there, I'm from the planet earth. I live in the nation of earth on the continent of earth.
>So you prefer the planet also sharing its name with a continent, and a kingdom on that continent?
I'd take that over invisible walls, yeah. This is a video game after all.
Dude, world building means the lore and setting, not the actual explorable world. Besides, what makes the most sense? Being able to fly across an entire continent in minutes, or limiting exploration to certain key areas?
How does the size of the eastern kingdom even make sense with the size of Kul Tiras in one of the later expansions?
>Dude, world building means the lore and setting, not the actual explorable world.
There's no reason it can't mean both in an interactive video game. >Besides, what makes the most sense? Being able to fly across an entire continent in minutes, or limiting exploration to certain key areas?
I don't really care.
played wow since classic and XIV since 1.0
worst expansion for XIV was easily stormblood, its opening and focus on ala mhigo made it a slog to suffer through.
WoW's worst expansion is a three way tie between warlords, BFA, or floplands. Though cata had the worse change in the game by destroying the classic world and replacing it with the way worse new one
I wish Blizzard would have given you the option to experience both the old and new versions of the zones, makes no sense to give you plotlines that depend upon having played through prior zones that are now inaccessible.
A lot of other MMO have done way better jobs of integrating new content into old areas.
It's not "supposed" to look bad, it just looks bad. The lighting, washed out colors, no anti-aliasing, etc, all contribute to it looking outstandingly terrible.
>It looks fine for a Playstation 3 MMO.
It looks worse than a game from 2004, I'm afraid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
whatever fits your narrative
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you say so
2 years ago
Anonymous
hey look, actual color design. why don't ffxiv artists do that?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>color design
HAHAHAHAHA
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, an important game design element XIV sorely lacks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>waaahhhhh where are the neon blue furry otherkin!!!!!! why doesn't every zone have a shitty filter over it!!!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>waaahhhhh where are the neon blue furry otherkin!!!!!
The nonbinary fairies are on the First, little fella.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not blue >not a furry >not otherkin
sorry to burst your bubble, but wow is the LGBTQ+ game
2 years ago
Anonymous
stated at all times that is clearly a she, at no point they sugest gender ambiguity lmao, is literally an elf with wings with no weird shit on her but nice cope, you could pick a different race to make that point if you actually knew what you are talking about
2 years ago
Anonymous
If your going to post WoW examples next time, use actual good locations. The one you posted was garbage
2 years ago
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He can't because the last time WoW had good looking zones was 2008
it's better because it has no invisible walls or loading screens, it's not even a contest
very true. but in the first place if you're playing these games for their open world in 2022 you're doing it wrong
which is such a sad thing to have to say. what happened to mmos being centered around the open world? wow happened, i know
2 years ago
Anonymous
Was nice playing Vanilla Classic and feeling that world mattering again. Never again though I suppose. Maybe Riot MMO will see how bad unrestricted TPs, flying mounts and 90% instance based gameplay are?
2 years ago
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>but in the first place if you're playing these games for their open world in 2022 you're doing it wrong
Yeah, nobody has claimed that the only reason to play WoW is the objectively superior open world. It is one of the reasons to play it, though.
2 years ago
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there's no reason to play wow in 2022.
unless you're playing classic vanilla/tbc/wrath on a private server because you never got to in its heyday.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there's no reason to play wow in 2022.
Of course there is, it's one of the only good tab target games left, especially for raiding.
2 years ago
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modern wow raids are difficult, but god are they boring. i can't imagine playing any expac past pandaria even just to raid.
2 years ago
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>modern wow raids are difficult, but god are they boring.
WoW raids are significantly more fun than FFXIV raids for me. FFXIV raids feel more like an exercise in rote memorization.
2 years ago
Anonymous
fair enough, to each their own i suppose.
i still wish there was something better than either, they both feel lackluster in their own way i just prefer ff's all in all.
2 years ago
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>what happened to mmos being centered around the open world? >wow happened, i know
WoW was one of the first mmos to even have an open world, you complete moron. Even Everquest 99 has FFXIV-style loading screens between areas.
2 years ago
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>WoW was one of the first mmos to even have an open world
Moron >Even Everquest 99 has FFXIV-style loading screens between areas.
Open world doesn't mean it doesn't have loading screens. Open world refers to the huge, consistent world that's open to explore as you please.
2 years ago
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>Open world refers to the huge, consistent world that's open to explore as you please.
Which MMOs barely had before WoW, yeah. EQ areas are fricking tiny and broken apart by loading screens lol
2 years ago
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You're not understanding. Open world has nothing to do with loading screens, it refers to the persistent, explorable world. Loading screens do not factor into it.
2 years ago
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>open world >loading screen between continents >modern wow has mandatory flight paths that disguise loading times
2 years ago
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>between continents
No, between literal adjacent areas. Please actually play EQ before spreading misinformation about it.
2 years ago
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i was talking about world of warcraft in all 3 greentexts, comprehensionkun
2 years ago
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>one of the first to even have an open world
WHAT
IS
ASHERON'S CALL
The open world MMO that took LITERAL DAYS TO TRAVERSE.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you not know what "one of" means?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Suck my pyreal sliver, b***h.
2 years ago
Anonymous
wow was the first to have a *seamless* (or nearly so) open world, you neanderthal. first open world? lmfao.
and yes, the game is still responsible for the popularization of endlessly instanced + auto-matchmaking content making people stand around in hub cities all day. ffxiv is just as guilty but it's simply aping wow. all modern mmos suck for this reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't miss standing around pasting "lfg" into chat. You can tell me I actually do and it was better, but I don't and no it wasn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Get a new image. You post this exact same image every time people talk about old MMO mechanics and you need to cope about how they were actually awful because you're an arrogant homosexual and couldn't make friends.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Last time I saw it posted was somebody asking which FF14 world they should pick and somebody posted something about pitbulls in response to it, there seems to be mental illness surrounding this image
2 years ago
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You sure that was the last time you posted it? Because you seem to have posted it other times since then. Maybe that one post just sticks out in your mind for some reason. Maybe because you're the most readable poster on Ganker?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Last time I saw it posted >starts trawling through archives for when exactly it was posted >accuses me of being whoever it is he's stalking
Like I said, mental illness surrounds this image
2 years ago
Anonymous
You try this exact same thing literally every time I call you out. You feign ignorance and then the next day you bring it back up which just confirms I was correct. Why even play this game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
(You) have legit problems, holy shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person we went through this exact same routine when I called you out in the Live A Live thread and it lived rent free in your head so loudly that you had to randomly bring it up in a FFXIV thread. You're a legitimate basket case. Go find a pitbull thread to post in and then scream at other people for posting off-topic when they respond to you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what the frick any of this you're talking about is, I see a pitbull mention though so I guess I've correctly marked a crazy? Get a tripcode so I can filter your stupid ass ez, or I guess I can just filter "pitbull" as one of your trigger words
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know exactly what I'm talking about. I know you do, and you'll confirm it when you bring it back up next time I call you out. It's really not hard to pick you out of a thread when you use the exact same images and the exact same copypasted responses on every single topic and the exact same smug, arrogant, holier than thou attitude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ggez
2 years ago
Anonymous
You try this exact same thing literally every time I call you out. You feign ignorance and then the next day you bring it back up which just confirms I was correct. Why even play this game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's either a dyed-in-the-wool schizo or he's a janny with a vendetta and the ability to see IPs. Not sure which is funnier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't need to see IPs to notice you, moron. You're an autist that can't stray from your pre-progammed responses.
2 years ago
Anonymous
"Pre-programmed responses" is hilarious coming from somebody that scans arch.b4k.co for pictures he recognizes and screams about LaL and pit bulls.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You forgot your favorite image
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're missing the point. content should be something you run into in the open world while somehow interacting with it. not something you wait in a city to form a group for then skip over the open world one way or another.
the leveling experience in wow gets this, max level was alright at first but only got worse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>content should be
Frick off, dude, placing it in the open world doesn't make it any more or less vapid than queueing for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're right, content just sucks actually and we should all stop playing video games entirely
seriously though, what the frick was your point here? lmfao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes it does, dungeon entrances are one of the most fun places for emergent WPVP. WoW completely killed that open world dynamic when they introduced the LFG tool.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>WPVP
EW
NO
WORLD PVP SUCKS DOG TURDS
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only if you hate the idea of being mildly inconvenienced in any way like a baby. WoW has plenty of those players, to be fair.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>noooo let me kill you and every quest giver in the zone for hours ur a baby if you don't let me HOW DARE YOU CALL FOR HELP FROM HIGH LEVEL CHARACTERS THAT NOT FAIR
2 years ago
Anonymous
>describes one of the funnest parts about wpvp (calling in high lvl characters and getting larger battles started) >frames it as a bad thing
lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
You and everybody else in the thread knows people hate WPVP because of gankers and gank squads
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gankers are rarely an actual issue. I played on a highly contested pvp server during OG classic and I only got ganked like once or twice a week. Most people just mind their own business. Ganking isn't even all that big a deal and can lead to interesting, emergent situations involving server politics. This dynamic is what makes mmos fun, not DDR against simon says bosses.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interesting, emergent situations like "XxSeph1r07hXx : frick off gank Black person"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Being reductive is ok as long as you recognize it doesn't have any actual impact on the validity of my argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Server politics as cited can be pretty handily shorn down to "frick off, gankBlack person" and "no lol"
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the mental midget way to look at it, I suppose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to ascribe nuance to something that is not nuanced at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your argument is flawed when 90% of wpvp is just people at level cap sitting in the lowest possible contested zone to kill people who can't fight back until they stop playing
2 years ago
Anonymous
>your argument is flawed when 90% of wpvp is just people at level cap sitting in the lowest
your premise is flawed when that's not 90% of wpvp lol. that's just all you engaged with because you were too focused on 10 boar ass quests to do anything else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>10% makes things miserable for lowies >wtf why did wpvp die
why indeed
2 years ago
Anonymous
It died because blizzard killed it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not DDR against simon says bosses.
Hard disagree, then best genre of videogames is rhythm games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
People levy the DDR complaint a lot but what the frick else are you seriously supposed to do in a WoW-like format? There's not much wiggle room for any other kind of mechanic that isn't movement, picking up/placing down/interacting an object, or whacking an add instead of the boss for a while. It's one of those allpurpose non-complaints that's designed to complain without really complaining about anything specifically.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but what the frick else are you seriously supposed to do in a WoW-like format?
Nothing, it's one of the reasons the WoW format is cancer that's holding back the genre.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Until we can make ARPGs or full-on action games work in a multiplayer online format with the kind of high player count expected of an MMORPG I don't think anything's actually being held back. Closest was Dragon's Dogma Online so far, and I guess Monster Hunter kinda counts but not really.
2 years ago
Anonymous
MMO combat should be treated like puzzles that can be overcome through player creativity and group planning. The focus should be on rewarding creative group play. Give each class a huge set of tools with niche applications and design battles in such a way that people don't feel the need to go in with specific loadouts but can essentially look at who's available and say "okay, how can we win with what we have?"
2 years ago
Anonymous
The game you're describing doesn't exist
2 years ago
Anonymous
It does, actually.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This seems more in the vein of ascribing features to FFXI that it doesn't have, the closest job to your description is Blue Mage and the way it's built you can't actually run in and jack-of-most-trades anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the closest job to your description is Blue Mage
I wasn't describing any job, I was describing the combat system in general. Blue mage is incredibly versatile but no more so than jobs like RDM, NIN, DNC, or SCH. >This seems more in the vein of ascribing features to FFXI that it doesn't have
It's literally exactly how my group approaches encounters. We look at who's around and what we can do and puzzle out how to win.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh wow you might make someone mad and trigger a guild war wow so interesting...
Yeah no I think I'll stay with my scripted instance boss routines that never change. That's actual interesting gameplay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>world pvp is heckin based!!!!! >why yes I am an undead rogue who spends 19 hours a day in lakeshire and hides from anyone that is within 20 levels of me
2 years ago
Anonymous
>content should be something you run into in the open world while somehow interacting with it
No thanks,
>you wait in a city to form a group for then skip over the open world one way or another.
Yes, that's what I want.
Yes it does, dungeon entrances are one of the most fun places for emergent WPVP. WoW completely killed that open world dynamic when they introduced the LFG tool.
>Yes it does, dungeon entrances are one of the most fun places for emergent WPVP
Oh, you're one of 'those' people. Go back to playing your dead open world PvP games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No thanks, >Yes, that's what I want.
why?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because I don't want 'emergent gameplay' when I wanted to go do a dungeon with my guild-mates. I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because I don't want 'emergent gameplay'
we know, FFXIV players want to be lead down the dopamine railroad. i just personally think that's boring.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You gonna respond to the rest of the post champ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's the same response either way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon. >we know, FFXIV players want to be lead down the dopamine railroad. i just personally think that's boring.
Seems completely unhinged in response to the latter statement
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon.
Because you don't like MMOs, you've just latched onto them for some reason. Sharing the world with other people is literally the basis for MMOs as a genre.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sharing a world with other players doesn't mean they should be able to prevent me from playing the game.
>Because you don't like MMOs, you've just latched onto them for some reason.
I love MMO's because they are a persistent online world were other players can gather and do content together. They get regular updates, and even expansions every 2-3 years. No singleplayer game can provide that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sharing a world with other players doesn't mean they should be able to prevent me from playing the game.
Interacting with others is the game. It's like if you were playing D&D and encountered some rival group of bandits on the way to a dungeon. That's the appeal, that situations like that can organically happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
autist argues that other players preventing you from interacting with the game is the real game
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interacting with others IS the game. That was the point of MMOs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah and ignoring the actual stage which you do it on is missing part of the point
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's like if you were playing D&D and encountered some rival group of bandits on the way to a dungeon.
and you'd call your DM a giant homosexual when the random bandits were 10 levels above you
2 years ago
Anonymous
In an MMO you call your guild for help and trigger a guild war that creates constant, unpredictable content for months. But for you it's not content if it wasn't implemented by the devs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>guild war >for months
This isn't EVE, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In an MMO you call your guild for help and trigger a guild war that creates constant, unpredictable content for months.
But that's not what I wanted to play for 'content'. I wanted to go to the dungeon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Might I suggest Shin Megami Tensei?
2 years ago
Anonymous
NOOOO "ROCKS FALL EVERYONE DIES" IS GREAT STORYTELLING THE HERO'S JOURNEY IS FRAUGHT WITH PERIL
2 years ago
Anonymous
But they are not bandits, they are players, and the only thing they want to do is prevent me from playing the game. My goal is to go to the dungeon, not 'play' with them. I see no 'appeal', I only see a waste of time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But that LITERALLY IS THE GAME. That's the point, and that's why I say you don't actually like MMOs. You don't want organic situations, you don't want conflict between players, you don't want to actually deal with other people who might waste your time. What you want is to beat up npcs and get equipment. You want a singleplayer RPG.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You want a singleplayer RPG.
Please name a singleplayer RPG that gives a persistent online world were other players can gather and do content together. They get regular updates, and even expansions every 2-3 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>getting blocked from progressing your character, like, IS the game
And there's a reason you''re not a developer for these games
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fight a months long war to get access to a dungeon >finally push your enemies back and get access >get inside and find a new sword
Just admit you don't want an adventure, you want to see number go up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>months long war >to get access to a dungeon
Holy shit, what? Anybody reasonable would have given up on the game within a day of that bullshit, or even called in a GM.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're co-opting the term MMO to fit your definition. Just because that's an aspect a lot of MMOs had doesn't somehow make that it's definition. Going out to eat at a resturaant doesn't mean I want to be forced to sit at a table with random strangers to eat my meal with. Participating in the construct of society doesn't somehow mean you're forced to be social. Christ, this is Ganker, that should need to be explained.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it isn't. You're unambiguously saying that you hate being mildly inconvenienced. FFXIV players hate any and all friction in games, it's a known thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Some homosexuals loitering outside a dungeon and making sure people can't go in isn't "a mild inconvenience" no matter how many times you say it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Some homosexuals loitering outside a dungeon and making sure people can't go in isn't "a mild inconvenience"
No, that's exactly what it is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No matter how many times you say it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're kind of proving my point here, about how FFXIV players hate any and all friction. In your mind it's a huge deal when a normal person would probably just brush it off, or use some ingenuity to come out on top. You can just kill him, or get past him before he kills you. It's not even hard, at least in WoW.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Writing the other guy's memoirs for him and pretending they're real isn't an argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a normal person would probably just brush it off
A 'normal person' would either quit the game or never play the game in the first place. There is a reason every open world PvP MMO is dead or dying. 'Normal People' don't want to play those MMO's.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>play a genre centered around emulating a giant D&D game with a persistent shared world where you gather allies and make friends to overcome problems >shit your pants and cry because you don't want to make friends or you can't because you act like a Black person or explore or overcome danger you just want to get rewards
If you think FFXIV has a bad community but WoW doesn't, then you're clearly biased. The fact that you "fricking hate" the FFXIV community, but didn't mentions WoW's speaks volumes. Like most of this thread, you're just desperate to shit on FFXIV.
>If you think FFXIV has a bad community but WoW doesn't, then you're clearly biased.
WoW has plenty of problems with its community, I never claimed they were perfect. The FFXIV community is far, far worse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The FFXIV community is far, far worse
Explain. Your typing pattern leads me to believe you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Explain.
What's to explain? You can see the way FFXIV players react to minor criticisms of their game in every tangential community. WoW doesn't have that problem in the slightest. >you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
I am that guy, and they do look bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no bias here at all
2 years ago
Anonymous
>morons constantly lie and make up shit to try make their sinking trashfire look better and distract from the constant troony shit and rape going on with the devs >people correct the lying >"SEEE LOOK HOW BAD AND INSECURE THEY ARE HAHAHAH"
2 years ago
Anonymous
correct the lying
It's not lying, I literally posted images showing how bad the game looks and FFXIV players still deny it lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This feels like a deliberate falseflag at this point to make WoWgays look dumb as bricks
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FFXIV thing worse because it just is okay
of fricking course
2 years ago
Anonymous
see
>Explain.
What's to explain? You can see the way FFXIV players react to minor criticisms of their game in every tangential community. WoW doesn't have that problem in the slightest. >you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
I am that guy, and they do look bad.
>Explain.
What's to explain? You can see the way FFXIV players react to minor criticisms of their game in every tangential community. WoW doesn't have that problem in the slightest. >you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
I am that guy, and they do look bad.
Everyone pushing for this gay inclusion doesn't remember there were gay NPCs in the game as far back as vanilla. Kinelory and Quae were in the Arathi Highlands in 1.0. And in Wrath there was that night elf camp in Dragonblight where the girls were all flirting with each other.
Now they are just going out of their way to make it blatant and cram it down everyone's throats that the mentally ill evolutionary dead-ends exist in this fantasy world.
He purchased a boost, jumped into raids, and then called the game shit when he failed.
If someone wants to criticize a game, that's fine. But I honestly have more respect for the people who have never touched the game and call it troony shit than I do this disingenuous prick. At least those people are being honest about it.
FFXIV players criticize the game all the time, what are you talking about?
The official FFXIV forums are mostly players b***hing about shit. Of course all you're going to find on twitter is fake positivity trannies engaging in mob tactics because that's most of twitter's userbase in general.
>FFXIV players criticize the game all the time, what are you talking about?
True, there's a list of approved criticisms, but you aren't allowed to deviate from that script.
>yes xiv players criticise the game, but they dont criticise it the way i want them to so its invalid
you're a buck broken little queer and it shows
2 years ago
Anonymous
>yes xiv players criticise the game, but they dont criticise it the way i want them to so its invalid
This isn't what I wrote. Read my post again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You didnt specify any criticism of XIV that would be 'not allowed' for XIV players to bring up because you're disengenuous.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You didnt specify any criticism of XIV that would be 'not allowed' for XIV players to bring up
Whenever I talk about how bad FFXIV questing is FFXIV players respond with lies about how it's the same as WoW questing except with a better story. Is that a good example or do you want more?
2 years ago
Anonymous
FFXIV questing being bad is subjective based on how much you enjoy the more story/dialogue focused quests. Moreover everyone gave shit to questing during SB for being one of the worst examples of it in the game with multiple quests being to walk someplace and talk to someone and that being the quest. So you're wrong we've established that for a fact.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FFXIV questing being bad is subjective based on how much you enjoy the more story/dialogue focused quests.
No, it's objectively bad for multiplayer mmo gameplay. It's designed like a single player VN and barely accommodates multiplayer at all apart from dungeons. If you try to play with a friend, most of the time you will be following waypoints and watching movies in silence together.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats subjective.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which part? > It's designed like a single player VN and barely accommodates multiplayer at all apart from dungeons.
This isn't subjective, this is how the game functions, even if you like it. >If you try to play with a friend, most of the time you will be following waypoints and watching movies in silence together.
This is also objectively how the game works, even if you like it.
All of this is actively unaccommodating of multiplayer gameplay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can skip cutscenes if it really bothers you that much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow, so then I can mindlessly follow waypoints with my friend and every 5 hours I might get to press 2 buttons of my rotation against a mob in a purple circle before it dies. Amazing!
2 years ago
Anonymous
And yet, its better than WoW so it must be doing something right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>its better than WoW
Questing sure as frick isn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your right it isn't worse, they don't force you to collect 2561 bear asses for a ring to progress the story in XIV
I don't even really care about some back line guy that got injured more than magic in this world can solve being bound to a wheelchair. It makes sense. War sucks and people get maimed and badly injured. It's when you add the combat wheelchair like they did in D&D that I feel the line is crossed.
>Play both games >WoW players call FFXIV players shit >Point out how WoW players can also shit with examples >"Shut up ZIVtroony" >FFXIV players call WoW players shit >Point out how FXIV players can also be shit with examples >"Shut up WoWdrone"
You're all fricking terrible and deserve eachother.
This. I don't deny that FFXIV has it's share of trannies in the playerbase, but what fricking game doesn't? Even 40K with all of it's grimdark testosterone bullshit has trannies trying to force their way in every now and again.
But WoW is infected from the top down.
I also love when WoW players called FFXIV a furry game because of anime catgirls and eventually Hrothgar yet they have >Tauren >Worgen >Pandaren >Vulpera
And now scaly trans dragons. But like, genuine scaly trans dragons and not what people memed Au'ra to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
WoW playrs are the best at projecting their own failures onto others
Half of those posts are FFXIV players shitting on WoW players. You can literally read the thread to see it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have been in this thread for a while. It's the same schtick. First you attack the gameplay, then failing that you attack the visuals, and failing that you're now attacking the community. You do this same shit in every fricking FFXIV thread. Next you'll bring up the optional cash shop.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>First you attack the gameplay, then failing that you attack the visuals, and failing that you're now attacking the community.
Yeah, these are the 3 pillars of bad game design that FFXIV is founded on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he admits it
fricking lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
he's stopped hiding because everyone knows his post style
2 years ago
Anonymous
barry doesnt post anymore but there are a dozen copycats
What are the odds that blizzard will actually attempt to reclaim their MMO king status? Regardless of how anyone feels about it, XIV objectively hold the MMO spotlight at the moment. Will they throw more money and devs at it to steal back their spot, or will they just keep milking the already-trapped and run the brand recognition as far as it'll go?
After hardcore raiding in WoW for 16+ years I enjoy the simplicity in FFXIV's gearing system. You get the piece that's better you do more damage. No spreadsheets or simulations need to be run on how this trinket combined with this necklace and that legendary item with those gems and enchants makes it 0.1% better than this other combination and if you do it wrong you don't get a group.
I'm of a similar mind. I've long since burned out on it.
It wasn't even that bad in the past. It used to be "This boss drops this tinket and this boss drops this trinket. You should try to get these"
But then it turned into
"Okay this boss drops this trinket and this boss drops this trinket, but you want the titanforged versions and you need to pair them with this piece of armor that interacts with the borrowed power system. Also that spec you're playing is bad right now play this other spec you don't like or you're out of the raid. Now go grind out Mythic Plus and try to get these specific stats that have a chance to randomly appear but only on this boss starting at this key level"
They did finally get rid of war/titanforging with Shadowlands but the looming cancer of M+ ever remains. Now instead of just raiding to get the gear if you're not pushing the hardest keys in a clique you get passed up for the people that nolife run M+ for 4 hours a day seven days a week for the chance of an upgrade and a drop from the vault.
>people arguing about shitty rotations, shitty graphics, and whatever gay shit they spew out when both games suffer from the same dog shit problems as the other one does
You are all homosexuals for arguing over which shitty mmo is worse when in reality they both suck wiener for the same reason. So just play them and shut the frick up or just have a nice day
WoW requires alts if you want to play different classes and so everyone uses alts. FFXIV lets you play every class on one character and only the sweatiest diapergays use alts so they can manipulate gear distribution.
/wowg/ has a fair amount of people who haven't even played the game in years just to shitpost there, along with some refugees from /xivg/ who unironically talk about XIV more there than in /xivg/ which is just an ERP/groomer general
I've wanted to start for a while now because I like the idea of just making whatever character I want for RP purposes, but I sure as frick don't want another subscription and neither do I want to become a slave to the gold sub redeem. Maybe I'll just start a free account and find some funny niche to fit into.
I'll confess, I watched stuff like tileman and swampletics and the fact that you can still progress and succeed under such heavy restrictions was what interested me.
Oh yea snowflake and self imposed restrictions make the game SO interesting. I restarted my character to make an Ironman to change how I play and view the game. I quit my main who was like total lvl 1885 or so ~80 days played or so for fresh.
WoW has significantly more gameplay variety among its objectively larger amount of specs too. FFXIV barely has any classes and they still all feel the same lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>every single dps is a two button builder spender rotation with a different coat of paint >dood theres so much variety!!!!
Healers are the only truly varied role in WoW
2 years ago
Anonymous
Here come the lies.
Enjoy having whatever spec you main being made unviable for no reason other than Ion is moronic next expansion. Every class in XIV is viable if you say otherwise its a genuine skill issue.
>Enjoy having whatever spec you main being made unviable
All specs are viable, the idea they're not is made up.
Here are some stats from the past 2 weeks:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All specs are viable, except when they werent, like shaman healer
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All specs are viable
Correct, and the link I posted demonstrates that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All specs are viable, the idea they're not is made up. >Here are some stats from the past 2 weeks: >https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29/
Wowie, look what happens when I put 95th percentile data
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do FFXIV players think you need to be in the 95th percentile to clear raids?
Do FFXIV players not know what "viable" means?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you clear a raid at 1th percentile, it's because you got carried by the other 80-90th percentile players in your group for the dps checks.
Source : personal experience dying repeatedly in a fight and still clearing because of other players
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you clear a raid at 1th percentile
Good thing no one is talking about clearing raids at the 1th percentile lmao.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Good thing no one is talking about clearing raids at the 1th percentile lmao.
You implied it by presenting the total boxplot instead of the top player performance, you're implying that you don't take into account variations of performance vs overall group performance
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You implied it
No I didn't. I wouldn't expect anyone playing at the 1st percentile to be able to clear raids on any class in either game.
>they probably think this isn't enough to clear sepulcher lol. ff players are funny.
You realize that's AFTER being fully geared from the mythic raid itself, right?
>You realize that's AFTER being fully geared from the mythic raid itself, right?
Ah yes, the Demo warlocks got fully geared by not clearing the raids. >inb4 muh boosties
No, plenty of them actually clear.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, but wow community does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ret's actually good
Dang, too bad it took years after I quit for it to finally happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>32k dps
they probably think this isn't enough to clear sepulcher lol. ff players are funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they probably think this isn't enough to clear sepulcher lol. ff players are funny.
You realize that's AFTER being fully geared from the mythic raid itself, right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
why is demo lock bad I love summoning shit nether portal is cool
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but you're literally using pre-patch data, which is never balanced because they implement changes centred around the upcoming expansion at a time where current expansion mechanics (legendaries/borrowed power) are still effective. This causes all sorts of ridiculous combinations and outlandish DPS. It's a short period of time between expansions so people can get used to the changes, balance is not the main objective.
Use any of the other filters (i.e, the not horrendously disingenuous ones) and you'll see the disparity is considerably smaller.
why is demo lock bad I love summoning shit nether portal is cool
It was the best warlock spec by miles until pre-patch, this guy is just cherry picking
2 years ago
Anonymous
Enjoy having whatever spec you main being made unviable for no reason other than Ion is moronic next expansion. Every class in XIV is viable if you say otherwise its a genuine skill issue.
2 years ago
Anonymous
19 combat + 11 non combat + 1 blue boy is not 'barely any'. I will grant that all the crafters and btn/mnr are identical, but that's still 23.
it's really hilarious to me how even the most ardent of blizzdrones don't defend them anymore, but wowbucks are still desperately slurping at the final nuggets of shit from blizzard
how do they not notice they're finally alone in their delusion
the relationship between WoW and FFXIV reminds me a lot of my own relationship problems I went through. When I was in college I met this girl that sat next to me in one of my classes. We were both in the same major too. Naturally I got her phone number and would try to talk to her but she would barely respond much if at all, sometimes taking hours to respond to my texts and she would never hangout with me when I invited her to do things either. Later on a friend of mine in the class that is 6ft6 showed me the text messages she was sending him. Shit like >o tall friend, I dont like my current boyfriend because I prefer tall guys >o tall friend will you come to the party and pick me up? I got a little drunk xD
I realized at that point she was a roastie prostitute and sort of ignored her. About 4 years after we graduated I ran into her because we both landed jobs at the same company.
>hey anon do you remember me?
she had gotten pretty fat, like maybe 240lbs since we had graduated. She talked to me a bit and invited me to lunch. When I met with her she told me about how her baby daddies were all shit and how she hates how flaky and uncommitted men are. I promptly said it was her fault that she got pumped and dumped and is just a nasty bawd and then I made the waiter split our bill and I left. She actually started crying after I did that and said she is not a prostitute she just made a mistake and the bad men tricked her. I called her a moron and I left the restaurant.
Everything is troony shit, because trannies are just groomed autistic men, and most video games are for autists, them playing war games of all things explain a lot, things no real women ever will
I've tried 3 times to play FF14, but the story is just awful. It's also very stupid that "You can pair any two classes for cool combos!" Guild Wars style mechanic gets dropped for 'YOU MUST TAKE RANGER + [whatever the thing is] TO GET BARD OR ELSE'
Dude you're describing cross-class which hasn't been in the game for over five years. You're also describing multiple class requirements for jobs which haven't been in the game for over five yeras.
>Zelda takes place in Hyrule
>GTA Vice City takes place in Vice City
care to explain?
Wow takes place in a world named after the main continent of warcraft 1, Azeroth, which is the southern part of the larger landmass now called the eastern kingdoms composed by Lordaeron, Quel'Thalas and Azeroth.
FFXIV takes place in the region of Eorzea, which is located in the western bit of the large northern landmass called Aldenard, which is neighbored by the supernation of Garlemald, in Ilsabard, and the western side of the continent called Othard, also fractured in lesser countries like Eorzea. Scholars have a really bad time trying to decide what name to call the world from time to time.
>named after the main continent of warcraft 1, Azeroth,
Reminder Blizzard literally stole the name Azeroth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fires_of_Azeroth
Reminder Square Enix literally stole the name Eorzea
>using an old word no one uses anymore is the same as explicitly stealing from another piece of media
l o l
No it's good thing, blizzard are at their best when they shameless steal. What fricked them over was that they were the big dogs and there was nowhere to look for "inspiration".
wait til you find out what the entire final fantasy franchise has been calling their summons
Etheirys, we have the name now. The whole star is called Etheirys.
Named after its riches resource: Aether.
only gays call it by that name, the planet is, and shall forever be known as Hydaelyn
It's Etheirys to the Scions who are probably the only people on the planet that know it's called that. To 99.99% of the planet it's still called Hydaelyn.
In 1.0 most of the planet didn't even know the planet had a name at all. That was all spread by Scion newsletters in the 5 years between 1.0 and ARR. Everyone will use Etheirys by 7.0.
It was the jailmaster that teleported the elves to vahalla
>WoW had to literally steal FFXIV story to stay relevant
Care to explain?
What story did they steal? Generic fantasy motifs that could be in anything?
I'm guessing OP is trying to point out that Azeroth and Eorzea both... Use the same vowels and a Z and R.
And the gameplay, and the way the game is displayed, the ui, the way players interact with enemies and allies, collectibles, 'dungeons', the trinity based gameplay and so much more.
And despite having a great thing to copy they couldn't nail down why WoW feels great to play or interesting class design or go beyond what WoW doesn't do. Just disappointment.
>And the gameplay, and the way the game is displayed, the ui, the way players interact with enemies and allies, collectibles, 'dungeons', the trinity based gameplay and so much more.
Why do FFXIV players pretend WoW stole all of this, but ignore the fact that FFXIV stole it even more shamelessly than WoW did?
FFXIV players think WoW is just an Everquest clone. they've never actually played Everquest, though. FFXIV is far more of a WoW clone than WoW is an Everquest clone. Pic related.
WoW is what happens when you take a game like Everquest and splice in the rarity system from Diablo.
t. Used to play Evercrack for 2 years on and off when it first came out
WoW made things more casual compared to EverQuest, like not deleting your gear if you fail to recover your corpse, which respects the player’s time.
FFXIV made things more casual compared to WoW, like allowing you to teleport anywhere and fall damage doesn’t kill you. Thus respecting the player’s time.
WoW developers routinely show their contempt for the concept of respecting the player’s time. They don’t allow you to fly until a year into the expansion + make you do pointless rep grinds for it. Also, the covenant system was clearly broken but they refused to fix it for so long because muh roleplaying experience.
FFXIV continues to streamline the player experience as much as possible, whereas WoW just makes things more moronic because they know you’ll slurp up their slop regardless.
>FFXIV continues to streamline the player experience as much as possible
and FFXIV players unironically think this is a good thing lmao
XIV's selling point is that it's the MMO for people who like JRPGs but dislike MMOs.
"respecting players time" is only an issue if your game sucks and is not fun to play. mmos can "waste" your time as long as the moment to moment experience is fulfilling. modern mmos are shit and unfun games that shower you with milestones to complete to keep you engaged.
Moment to moment gameplay is significantly more fun in WoW, to be fair. Moment to moment gameplay in FFXIV is reading text boxes and doing 1/4th of your single target rotation before the mob in the purple circle dies.
This anon gets it. Grinding and tedium can be fun if the gameplay that it involves is fun and engaging. It only becomes an issue when the game, at its core, is not fun. "Streamlining" is just the developer's round-about way of admitting that certain aspects of their game are not fun or engaging.
When Valheim was the FOTM, no one b***hed about transporting goods - which sounds tedious, because it was involved and required navigating terrain or the seas - or better yet building roads and ship ways to make transport easier.
Today's MMORPGs are just shit games at their core with no real novelty because every other genre does the tidbits of gameplay that MMORPGS offer better.
>tedium can be fun
>ffxiv player crumbles under the weight of the concept of having to play the game to be rewarded
>ffxiv player
ffxiv has plenty of tedium tho
Is doing the same mindless daily quest for a month really good gameplay, blizzdrone?
To say WoW invented collectibles is very silly. And WoW did not invent tab targetting, if that's what you mean by "the way players interact with enemies and allies".
WoW didn't invent collectibles, but it was the first MMO to feature collectibles as casual content. The difference between TBC and Wrath in terms of collecting as a playstyle is massive, and FFXIV only iterates on those concepts that wrath introduced.
in addition to this, WoW invented transmog, which is also a concept that FFXIV shamelessly copied.
also the duty finder (dungeon matchmaking) was a WoW idea.
WoW took "transmog" from guild wars 2's transmute system.
>in addition to this, WoW invented transmog, which is also a concept that FFXIV shamelessly copied.
I fricking wish FFXIV would shamelessly copy Blizzard's transmog system.
Some aspects like a glamour plates are great, but the collection part of XIV's transmog system is fricking atrocious and in dire need of an overhaul.
>I fricking wish FFXIV would shamelessly copy Blizzard's transmog system.
They shamelessly copied it with an objectively worse iteration lol
>wowbuck going to try this shit again
don't even bother, theres WAY more trans wowgays and they've infested every level of WoW from the playerbase up to the devs
>theres WAY more trans wowgays
ffxiv players actually believe this lmao
cope
Yes, hes the moron that bought a level boost and story skip, went into a raid, died because he didn't know any mechanics, quit, then started making up stories about getting death threats
>then started making up stories about getting death threats
Why does everyone do this?
"kys" isn't a fricking death threat.
the difference is wow is ran by trannies
xiv is played by trannies (wow too)
Oh yeah, if Trans Lives Matter then how come 42% of Trans people are killed by Trans people?
If it's objectively worse then it's not a shameless copy you fricking moron. A shameless copy would at least be as good.
when will WoWcucks understand that they lost
>builder spendercraft
>interesting class design
Wowbucks stay losing lmao
>why WoW feels great to play
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>WoW feels great to play
XIV with WoWs responsiveness in gameplay would be incredible. It's a shame that a game with a decent combat system is shackled the abysmal fight and class design
>XIV with WoWs responsiveness in gameplay would be incredible.
not really. XIV would still have boring as frick AoE, boring as frick utility, boring as frick movement abilities, etc. you'd still be doing 99% single target rotations for all gameplay.
Yeah which is an improvement over WoW's absolutely god fricking awful class rotations.
Did you even read my post? You didn't address anything I said and just repeated the same FFXIV moron talking point.
>the AoE rotation is so boring
It's boring in WoW too
>the utility is so bad
It's been homogenized to shit in WoW too
>you just do your single target rotation
Just like in WoW
>boring as frick movement abilities
I'll give you that really only DRG and NIN have interesting movement mechanics
I can tell how fricking terrible you are at WoW just from reading this post.
>no argument
I've played both games extensively and prefer XIV more overall but its pointless to try talking about the combat in this game with the community.
People here have been so thoroughly brainwashed by playing this game and nothing else for too long and do not realize just how fricking laggy shit feels compared to nearly every other MMO on the market. Half the challenge of mastering your rotation in XIV is playing around the shittiest engine you'll ever see in a MMO and garbage arbitrary animation lock that, for example, won't allow you to go over double weaving, or has some meme shit interaction with server ticks.
That's not even going into just how unbelievably shit of a job the devs have been doing since Shadowbringers with job "design", it's like they're intentionally running eveything into the ground for no reason except perhaps making their own balancing work easier. They want every job within each role to be the exact same 2 mins looping soulless garbage so none will be excluded ever and everyone will be happy and smile forever (it's moronic because 1.people never get excluded based on their job in XIV and 2.even with good balancing people in this game feverishly obsess over negligible 2% DPS differences between jobs played 100% optimally on a training dummy). The XIV devs, in a game in which you can be ANY job on the SAME CHARACTER, decide to make EVERY JOB the same. Do you realize how unbelievably moronic that is?
Last time I checked in Legion, WoW was better by virtue of not having all this shit baked into it, this is how fricking low the bar is set. But that also applies to shovelware asiaticshit MMO. This is just how bad XIV combat is. Don't bother.
Didn’t read, but you’re wrong. Shut up b***h
>they couldn't nail down why WoW feels great to play
WoW is the defintion of a sinking ship
literally nobody in the last 5 years started playing wow, it was exclusively people who played it in the past continuing to play because they've spent so much time and money on it
i didnt know wrath of the lich king released after shadowbringers
anduin breaking free of zovaal's control was some pretty cheeky shit. though i feel it would have been better if Varian and Saurfang hadn't said anything
>it would have been better if Varian and Saurfang hadn't said anything
Absolutely, that was the cheekiest shit. But the light works in mysterious ways and it wouldn't be farfetched for a sufficiently light-connected person to break free of control. Tirion prayed to the light while encapsulated in fricking ice and it gave him the power to break free and reckbomb Arthas.
it also stole PotD and level-sync which it didn't even do properly
>it also stole PotD
Torghast is far more similar to Nephalem Rifts in Diablo than it is to PotD.
>and level-sync which it didn't even do properly
No, it does it better, because you actually get to play your class instead of having half your buttons taken away.
copium
You forgot to make arguments.
samegay
>still no argument
Scared.
whatever helps you cope
you know this is bullshit
>Nephalem Rifts
PotD would've come a year earlier.
>it does it better, because you actually get to play your class instead of having half your buttons taken away
So it's completely fricking pointless.
Rifts
>PotD would've come a year earlier.
So you're claiming that Nephalem rifts copied PotD? Are you joking, or do FFXIV players actually believe this?
>So it's completely fricking pointless.
Not sure how you made that leap.
Fact remains that PotD came first. Cope.
None of this is an argument.
neither are
The only thing I'll give you is removing buttons for level sync is dumb. Doing anything under Lv.70 in FFXIV puts me to sleep.
nice backpedalling
Rifts
>PotD would've come a year earlier.
do ffxiv players think ffxiv invented procedurally generated dungeons and that all blizzard's attempts at making them are just copies? i don't know what to make of how stupid your argument here is.
You're actually fricking moronic if you think PotD is analogous to torghast
have a nice day whitey
We traveled to another dimension in WoW in TBC years before Shadowbringers
We traveled to another planet to deal with the big bad in Legion which came out years before Endwalker
We traveled to an asian themed area in Mists of Pandaria which came out years before Stormblood
We traveled to an icy land and dealt with dragons in Wrath of the Lich King and Cataclysm years before Heavensward
What story did WoW steal, exactly?
i'm reminded of the legion in game cutscene in which your player meets Xe'ra and you're floating in space. i can't find the example as all i get is 'rejection of the gift' but it was very much reminiscent of the echo awakening in the player character early in ARR in 2013
Xe'ra wanted to purify Illidan of his demonic form and make him lightforged and he just blew her up with his eye lasers. I don't recall anyone nuking Hydaelyn.
thats not the cutscene i'm referring to. its part of the class quest chain in legion, where you go find a chunk of naaru and store it in your hall, eventually you rebuild xe'ra and she zaps your conciousness away into outer space where she talks to you
not i specifically said its NOT the 'rejection of the gift' cinematic
Yeah I know the one you're talking about. So talking to an otherworldly figure while floating in space is the exclusive use of FFXIV and has never been done in any kind of media before ever? Neat.
so if it happened first in ffxiv its derivative of wider media, but if it happened in wow first its derivative of wow. gotcha
No. I never claimed FFXIV stole story elements from WoW. I'm just saying WoW specifically DIDN'T steal them from FFXIV. My point is the whole thing is a silly argument in the first place. If someone wants to come up with a very specific example then I would be open to hearing it though. Maybe there is something in Dragonflight that is a beat for beat knock off of something in Heavensward. I don't know.
I'd love a xiv/wow crossover.
I really don't care for this WoW-XIV rivalry. Didn't YoshiP once straight up say that back when they were desperately trying to fix the game, they did take a lot of inspiration from WoW and looking at the system that worked in it and that they were thankful? Why are the fanbases to at each other's throats when even the devs show this much respect to each other?
Fanboys. We're both plagued by incompetant devs and will gladly point out the others flaws instead of admitting our own game is flawed and asking the devs to fix it.
>Didn't YoshiP once straight up say that back when they were desperately trying to fix the game, they did take a lot of inspiration from WoW and looking at the system that worked in it and that they were thankful?
Yes, YoshiP publicly admits it's a WoW clone and the players still deny it lol
ship of Theseus
>fan of media X makes media Y
>diehard fans of X hate media Y because they see it as a derivative upstart
>diehard fans of Y hate X because they see it as old and busted and past its time
MANY such cases
if wow would just take the ffxiv system of you can do everything on one character it would dominate every game.
I hate fricking alts
i fricking hate them
and they always incentivize that playstyle.
frick you i WANT MY TIME
That sounds like a terrible idea, how the frick does a warrior suddenly just switch to mage or some shit
Class fantasy would be broken
>wow
>class fantasy
>after every class has been gutted of all flavor
>after every class has been gutted of all flavor
This is completely made up, btw.
>every class with buffs did different things
>now all buffs are +stam or +5% to all stats
>classes had skills that existed almost purely for class feel, more of them were even added with glyphs
>all of those were stripped out to be replaced with 'spam meter builder, then push meter spender'
this moron is really pretending classes were more fun to play in wrath lol
>shill trying this hard to defend all classes in wow being mindless grey mush
If classes are mindless now, what does that make Wrath classes, which are objectively easier to play optimally?
>talk about class flavor and fantasy
>hurr durr dey ez to play
moron
That's what braindead means, anon. Old WoW classes were hilariously shallow and simple.
shill-kun
learn to read
we are talking about CLASS FANTASY AND FLAVOR
What class flavor has been removed, exactly? Mages still blink and time warp. Rogues still stealth. Hunters still tame pets. Druids still shapeshift. Shamans still use totems, etc.
>faction locked classes, horde getting paladins was a big deal to the point that BE paladins lore reasoning was a major part of the faction's story
>now anyone can be a paladin if you look at the sun or like dinosaurs
>hunters pets felt like pets having loyalty and liking different foods
>now they may as well be robots
>ranged weapons using ammo
>now all ranged weapons just magically generate arrows and bullets out of thin air
>ranged weapons had minimum ranges
>mixing your own poison as rogues
>stealth being a skill you could get better at to sneak better
So you're saying they got rid of a bunch of annoying, unfun bullshit, while keeping all of the actually fun class flavor. Sounds good to me.
>moron praising making the game dumber and more bland
all of the weird shit surrounding hunters was becasue they were designed as the solo class, you didn't get many groups because you had literally nothing to offer and instead you had all these minigames to deal with
but then they designed everything in the game about raiding so they had a class that was just kind of shit at it, so they had to adjust hunter
this was the same reason why warrior being blatantly the best tank for raids in vanillia almost made sense, paladin/shaman/druid had a way easier time leveling but then hey made leveling less and less of an issue so it just became parts of your class kit you never used
Anon if your idea of class flavor is just aoe dps buffs, go find a TBC pserver and pick up a shaman.
MoP was peak class design then Legion came and fricked what was left after WoD by turning them nearly all of them into the same build meter spend meter class. And I doubt DF fixed that despite going back and trying to redo talent trees
Legion destroyed classes. The fact that there are people that praise that expansion's lore and design blows my mind.
>Black person wants to play 1 character
>only then talks about class fantasy
Frick off
every class has been gutted of all flavor
meanwhile FFXIV jobs have never had any flavor whatsoever beyond Bard performances.
>I hate fricking alts
Why? WoW collectibles are all account-wide, so it doesn't matter. Leveling in WoW is faster than leveling an alt jobs in FFXIV too.
except gearing more than one class in ff is cancer due to upgrade mats and raid token costs for weapons
gearing one class every 8th week on average unless your static is feeling generous is so garbage
please yoshida reduce weapon costs to 4 tokens and let us use first floor tokens on upgrade mats
bis is for parsing reasons only. raid weapons are glamours
>bis is for parsing reasons only
You need it to even access ultimates on week 1, moron.
you can access any ultimate with any ilevel. its just not optimal. optimal == mandatory.
next?
>you can access any ultimate with any ilevel
You can access Mythic with any ilvl, but FFXIV players still screech like banshbees about WoW geargating. Next?
i don't see anyone complaining about wow gearing in this thread
So are you blind, or just illiterate?
link the post for me then?
also, this discussion is about BiS in ffxiv being for parsing purposes and glamour, please stay on topic
i guess he left. oh well. i wanted to know what else i can do with bis other than clear raids faster and show off in limsa
>endwalker ruined summoner, all you do is spam ruin 3 now
meanwhile old summoner
I'm kind of glad dot mage is gone now but its a shame the designers were to lazy to give nu-SMN an actual rotation.
all jobs are getting dumbed down
even dragoon got dumbed down
nobody brings it up though lol
Does really anyone likes door bosses?
I don't have an issue with door bosses, but it's fricking stupid that the timer doesn't reset when you get to the door phase.
door boss?
WoW is long dead corpse that is somehow still shuffling on.
FFXIV just isn't that fun to play.
I'm not going to play either of them again.
the FFXIV planet is called Etheyrys though
True, they did retcon it into that for sure.
*Hydaelyn
That's the Ancient name. The current name is Hydaelyn. Also sometimes called the Source when in reference to other shards.
Soup
Really can't wait for Dragonflight release to shit all over final trannasty shitwalker
FF defence force has been picking up lately since prepatch
lol
Better than afk sitting in town all day
thats just a meme but you are going to pretend theres not cities full of afks in wow? lmao
lol
I've played both WoW and FF14 and both of these webms make me chuckle.
do wow raids really have promt telling you what to do?
I wish XIV didn't have their healers so homogenized and gated the most interesting job in the game from practically all the content.
you'll press your 1 button and love it, goy.
How hairy is her pussy?
After finally giving 14 a try it's alright I guess even if I've almost completely tuned out everything that isn't the main story and my class quests. Fun for what it is though I guess.
>lord of the rings takes place in middle earth
>harry potters takes place in hogwarts
its over WoWbros.................
FF14's world building seems more genuine.
In WoW the planet is called Azeroth, which is also the name of the titan soul within it, Also the name for the kingdom of Azeroth, and then there's Azeroth the continent.
In FF14 Eorzea is the name of a geopolitical region on the Aldenard continent opposing the forces of Garlemald which resides on the Ilsabard continent.
The planet is called Hydaelyn by the people of Eorzea, but the ancients called it Etheirys.
>FF14's world building seems more genuine.
What does that mean? 90% of FFXIV's world is hidden behind invisible walls and you only hear about it in exposition dumps. In WoW you can actually explore the entire game world.
So you prefer the planet also sharing its name with a continent, and a kingdom on that continent?
>Hello there, I'm from the planet earth. I live in the nation of earth on the continent of earth.
>So you prefer the planet also sharing its name with a continent, and a kingdom on that continent?
I'd take that over invisible walls, yeah. This is a video game after all.
Dude, world building means the lore and setting, not the actual explorable world. Besides, what makes the most sense? Being able to fly across an entire continent in minutes, or limiting exploration to certain key areas?
How does the size of the eastern kingdom even make sense with the size of Kul Tiras in one of the later expansions?
>Dude, world building means the lore and setting, not the actual explorable world.
There's no reason it can't mean both in an interactive video game.
>Besides, what makes the most sense? Being able to fly across an entire continent in minutes, or limiting exploration to certain key areas?
I don't really care.
XIV and WoW friends, tell me your most hated expansion and how bad it shaped the game.
played wow since classic and XIV since 1.0
worst expansion for XIV was easily stormblood, its opening and focus on ala mhigo made it a slog to suffer through.
WoW's worst expansion is a three way tie between warlords, BFA, or floplands. Though cata had the worse change in the game by destroying the classic world and replacing it with the way worse new one
I wish Blizzard would have given you the option to experience both the old and new versions of the zones, makes no sense to give you plotlines that depend upon having played through prior zones that are now inaccessible.
A lot of other MMO have done way better jobs of integrating new content into old areas.
>worst story/questing and characters
>best dungeons/bosses and post content
stromblood is weird
stormblood is my most hated and endwalker i thought was pretty boring but not terrible
For being the "finale" it sure didn't feel like it.
I've never played WoW because everything in the game looks like hot garbage. WoW is proof that people generally have shit taste.
>I've never played WoW because everything in the game looks like hot garbage.
Not half as garbage as everything in FFXIV looks, thankfully.
>WoW took "transmog" from guild wars 2's transmute system.
This isn't true, WoW added transmog in Cataclysm, which was years before GW2 even launched.
is that supposed to look particularly bad?
It's not "supposed" to look bad, it just looks bad. The lighting, washed out colors, no anti-aliasing, etc, all contribute to it looking outstandingly terrible.
i didn't ask whether it actually is bad or not i asked if you thought it was supposed to look bad
>FFXIV players pretending the game looks good again
lmao. not even filters can save it.
It looks fine for a Playstation 3 MMO.
You've been desperately trying this angle for years.
>It looks fine for a Playstation 3 MMO.
It looks worse than a game from 2004, I'm afraid.
whatever fits your narrative
if you say so
hey look, actual color design. why don't ffxiv artists do that?
>color design
HAHAHAHAHA
Yes, an important game design element XIV sorely lacks.
>waaahhhhh where are the neon blue furry otherkin!!!!!! why doesn't every zone have a shitty filter over it!!!!
>waaahhhhh where are the neon blue furry otherkin!!!!!
The nonbinary fairies are on the First, little fella.
>not blue
>not a furry
>not otherkin
sorry to burst your bubble, but wow is the LGBTQ+ game
stated at all times that is clearly a she, at no point they sugest gender ambiguity lmao, is literally an elf with wings with no weird shit on her but nice cope, you could pick a different race to make that point if you actually knew what you are talking about
If your going to post WoW examples next time, use actual good locations. The one you posted was garbage
He can't because the last time WoW had good looking zones was 2008
>lookmomIposteditagain
it's an autistic shitposter who has posted that image since ShB released
he's posted it about 5-6 times this weekend alone
XIV seems to attract some real nutcases that weren't around until WoW started dying badly
I'm pretty sure it's the FFXV sperg.
>>I've never played WoW because everything in the game looks like hot garbage.
>Not half as garbage as everything in FFXIV looks, thankfully.
Lol I don't even have to noclip out of bounds to make FFXIV look like dogshit like you did here.
>clip out of bounds
thats the average view from hyjal just with the N64 fog turned off
No it isn't, you can literally see Sulfurion's Spire way the frick down there. Stop making shit up.
SOVL
>1080p
Is this a console screenshot or a potato PC screenshot? It doesn't look nearly this bad on my machine.
whoa this picture made me nostalgic in a way I rarely ever am.
I've never played WoW and I wish XIV's world was more like this.
this looks incredible
this looks like dogshit
i play ffxiv because modern day wow is dogshit (and i already played the old expacs on release) though
The only people who argue that WoW's playable game world is worse than FFXIV's have had their minds rotted by the cult.
amazing generic forest
post another forest that looks like that lol
anon this uses a completely different color scheme and completely different types of trees. are you moronic?
it's better because it has no invisible walls or loading screens, it's not even a contest
very true. but in the first place if you're playing these games for their open world in 2022 you're doing it wrong
which is such a sad thing to have to say. what happened to mmos being centered around the open world? wow happened, i know
Was nice playing Vanilla Classic and feeling that world mattering again. Never again though I suppose. Maybe Riot MMO will see how bad unrestricted TPs, flying mounts and 90% instance based gameplay are?
>but in the first place if you're playing these games for their open world in 2022 you're doing it wrong
Yeah, nobody has claimed that the only reason to play WoW is the objectively superior open world. It is one of the reasons to play it, though.
there's no reason to play wow in 2022.
unless you're playing classic vanilla/tbc/wrath on a private server because you never got to in its heyday.
>there's no reason to play wow in 2022.
Of course there is, it's one of the only good tab target games left, especially for raiding.
modern wow raids are difficult, but god are they boring. i can't imagine playing any expac past pandaria even just to raid.
>modern wow raids are difficult, but god are they boring.
WoW raids are significantly more fun than FFXIV raids for me. FFXIV raids feel more like an exercise in rote memorization.
fair enough, to each their own i suppose.
i still wish there was something better than either, they both feel lackluster in their own way i just prefer ff's all in all.
>what happened to mmos being centered around the open world?
>wow happened, i know
WoW was one of the first mmos to even have an open world, you complete moron. Even Everquest 99 has FFXIV-style loading screens between areas.
>WoW was one of the first mmos to even have an open world
Moron
>Even Everquest 99 has FFXIV-style loading screens between areas.
Open world doesn't mean it doesn't have loading screens. Open world refers to the huge, consistent world that's open to explore as you please.
>Open world refers to the huge, consistent world that's open to explore as you please.
Which MMOs barely had before WoW, yeah. EQ areas are fricking tiny and broken apart by loading screens lol
You're not understanding. Open world has nothing to do with loading screens, it refers to the persistent, explorable world. Loading screens do not factor into it.
>open world
>loading screen between continents
>modern wow has mandatory flight paths that disguise loading times
>between continents
No, between literal adjacent areas. Please actually play EQ before spreading misinformation about it.
i was talking about world of warcraft in all 3 greentexts, comprehensionkun
>one of the first to even have an open world
WHAT
IS
ASHERON'S CALL
The open world MMO that took LITERAL DAYS TO TRAVERSE.
Do you not know what "one of" means?
Suck my pyreal sliver, b***h.
wow was the first to have a *seamless* (or nearly so) open world, you neanderthal. first open world? lmfao.
and yes, the game is still responsible for the popularization of endlessly instanced + auto-matchmaking content making people stand around in hub cities all day. ffxiv is just as guilty but it's simply aping wow. all modern mmos suck for this reason.
I don't miss standing around pasting "lfg" into chat. You can tell me I actually do and it was better, but I don't and no it wasn't.
Get a new image. You post this exact same image every time people talk about old MMO mechanics and you need to cope about how they were actually awful because you're an arrogant homosexual and couldn't make friends.
Last time I saw it posted was somebody asking which FF14 world they should pick and somebody posted something about pitbulls in response to it, there seems to be mental illness surrounding this image
You sure that was the last time you posted it? Because you seem to have posted it other times since then. Maybe that one post just sticks out in your mind for some reason. Maybe because you're the most readable poster on Ganker?
>Last time I saw it posted
>starts trawling through archives for when exactly it was posted
>accuses me of being whoever it is he's stalking
Like I said, mental illness surrounds this image
You try this exact same thing literally every time I call you out. You feign ignorance and then the next day you bring it back up which just confirms I was correct. Why even play this game?
(You) have legit problems, holy shit
Black person we went through this exact same routine when I called you out in the Live A Live thread and it lived rent free in your head so loudly that you had to randomly bring it up in a FFXIV thread. You're a legitimate basket case. Go find a pitbull thread to post in and then scream at other people for posting off-topic when they respond to you.
I have no idea what the frick any of this you're talking about is, I see a pitbull mention though so I guess I've correctly marked a crazy? Get a tripcode so I can filter your stupid ass ez, or I guess I can just filter "pitbull" as one of your trigger words
You know exactly what I'm talking about. I know you do, and you'll confirm it when you bring it back up next time I call you out. It's really not hard to pick you out of a thread when you use the exact same images and the exact same copypasted responses on every single topic and the exact same smug, arrogant, holier than thou attitude.
ggez
He's either a dyed-in-the-wool schizo or he's a janny with a vendetta and the ability to see IPs. Not sure which is funnier.
I don't need to see IPs to notice you, moron. You're an autist that can't stray from your pre-progammed responses.
"Pre-programmed responses" is hilarious coming from somebody that scans arch.b4k.co for pictures he recognizes and screams about LaL and pit bulls.
You forgot your favorite image
you're missing the point. content should be something you run into in the open world while somehow interacting with it. not something you wait in a city to form a group for then skip over the open world one way or another.
the leveling experience in wow gets this, max level was alright at first but only got worse.
>content should be
Frick off, dude, placing it in the open world doesn't make it any more or less vapid than queueing for it.
you're right, content just sucks actually and we should all stop playing video games entirely
seriously though, what the frick was your point here? lmfao.
Yes it does, dungeon entrances are one of the most fun places for emergent WPVP. WoW completely killed that open world dynamic when they introduced the LFG tool.
>WPVP
EW
NO
WORLD PVP SUCKS DOG TURDS
Only if you hate the idea of being mildly inconvenienced in any way like a baby. WoW has plenty of those players, to be fair.
>noooo let me kill you and every quest giver in the zone for hours ur a baby if you don't let me HOW DARE YOU CALL FOR HELP FROM HIGH LEVEL CHARACTERS THAT NOT FAIR
>describes one of the funnest parts about wpvp (calling in high lvl characters and getting larger battles started)
>frames it as a bad thing
lol
You and everybody else in the thread knows people hate WPVP because of gankers and gank squads
Gankers are rarely an actual issue. I played on a highly contested pvp server during OG classic and I only got ganked like once or twice a week. Most people just mind their own business. Ganking isn't even all that big a deal and can lead to interesting, emergent situations involving server politics. This dynamic is what makes mmos fun, not DDR against simon says bosses.
Interesting, emergent situations like "XxSeph1r07hXx : frick off gank Black person"
Being reductive is ok as long as you recognize it doesn't have any actual impact on the validity of my argument.
Server politics as cited can be pretty handily shorn down to "frick off, gankBlack person" and "no lol"
That's the mental midget way to look at it, I suppose.
I'm not going to ascribe nuance to something that is not nuanced at all.
your argument is flawed when 90% of wpvp is just people at level cap sitting in the lowest possible contested zone to kill people who can't fight back until they stop playing
>your argument is flawed when 90% of wpvp is just people at level cap sitting in the lowest
your premise is flawed when that's not 90% of wpvp lol. that's just all you engaged with because you were too focused on 10 boar ass quests to do anything else.
>10% makes things miserable for lowies
>wtf why did wpvp die
why indeed
It died because blizzard killed it.
>not DDR against simon says bosses.
Hard disagree, then best genre of videogames is rhythm games.
People levy the DDR complaint a lot but what the frick else are you seriously supposed to do in a WoW-like format? There's not much wiggle room for any other kind of mechanic that isn't movement, picking up/placing down/interacting an object, or whacking an add instead of the boss for a while. It's one of those allpurpose non-complaints that's designed to complain without really complaining about anything specifically.
>but what the frick else are you seriously supposed to do in a WoW-like format?
Nothing, it's one of the reasons the WoW format is cancer that's holding back the genre.
Until we can make ARPGs or full-on action games work in a multiplayer online format with the kind of high player count expected of an MMORPG I don't think anything's actually being held back. Closest was Dragon's Dogma Online so far, and I guess Monster Hunter kinda counts but not really.
MMO combat should be treated like puzzles that can be overcome through player creativity and group planning. The focus should be on rewarding creative group play. Give each class a huge set of tools with niche applications and design battles in such a way that people don't feel the need to go in with specific loadouts but can essentially look at who's available and say "okay, how can we win with what we have?"
The game you're describing doesn't exist
It does, actually.
This seems more in the vein of ascribing features to FFXI that it doesn't have, the closest job to your description is Blue Mage and the way it's built you can't actually run in and jack-of-most-trades anything
>the closest job to your description is Blue Mage
I wasn't describing any job, I was describing the combat system in general. Blue mage is incredibly versatile but no more so than jobs like RDM, NIN, DNC, or SCH.
>This seems more in the vein of ascribing features to FFXI that it doesn't have
It's literally exactly how my group approaches encounters. We look at who's around and what we can do and puzzle out how to win.
Oh wow you might make someone mad and trigger a guild war wow so interesting...
Yeah no I think I'll stay with my scripted instance boss routines that never change. That's actual interesting gameplay.
>world pvp is heckin based!!!!!
>why yes I am an undead rogue who spends 19 hours a day in lakeshire and hides from anyone that is within 20 levels of me
>content should be something you run into in the open world while somehow interacting with it
No thanks,
>you wait in a city to form a group for then skip over the open world one way or another.
Yes, that's what I want.
>Yes it does, dungeon entrances are one of the most fun places for emergent WPVP
Oh, you're one of 'those' people. Go back to playing your dead open world PvP games.
>No thanks,
>Yes, that's what I want.
why?
Because I don't want 'emergent gameplay' when I wanted to go do a dungeon with my guild-mates. I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon.
>Because I don't want 'emergent gameplay'
we know, FFXIV players want to be lead down the dopamine railroad. i just personally think that's boring.
You gonna respond to the rest of the post champ?
Yeah, it's the same response either way.
>I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon.
>we know, FFXIV players want to be lead down the dopamine railroad. i just personally think that's boring.
Seems completely unhinged in response to the latter statement
>I find no enjoyment from my time being interrupted and wasted because some other group of players is preventing me from going into the dungeon.
Because you don't like MMOs, you've just latched onto them for some reason. Sharing the world with other people is literally the basis for MMOs as a genre.
Sharing a world with other players doesn't mean they should be able to prevent me from playing the game.
>Because you don't like MMOs, you've just latched onto them for some reason.
I love MMO's because they are a persistent online world were other players can gather and do content together. They get regular updates, and even expansions every 2-3 years. No singleplayer game can provide that.
>Sharing a world with other players doesn't mean they should be able to prevent me from playing the game.
Interacting with others is the game. It's like if you were playing D&D and encountered some rival group of bandits on the way to a dungeon. That's the appeal, that situations like that can organically happen.
autist argues that other players preventing you from interacting with the game is the real game
Interacting with others IS the game. That was the point of MMOs.
yeah and ignoring the actual stage which you do it on is missing part of the point
>It's like if you were playing D&D and encountered some rival group of bandits on the way to a dungeon.
and you'd call your DM a giant homosexual when the random bandits were 10 levels above you
In an MMO you call your guild for help and trigger a guild war that creates constant, unpredictable content for months. But for you it's not content if it wasn't implemented by the devs.
>guild war
>for months
This isn't EVE, anon
>In an MMO you call your guild for help and trigger a guild war that creates constant, unpredictable content for months.
But that's not what I wanted to play for 'content'. I wanted to go to the dungeon.
Might I suggest Shin Megami Tensei?
NOOOO "ROCKS FALL EVERYONE DIES" IS GREAT STORYTELLING THE HERO'S JOURNEY IS FRAUGHT WITH PERIL
But they are not bandits, they are players, and the only thing they want to do is prevent me from playing the game. My goal is to go to the dungeon, not 'play' with them. I see no 'appeal', I only see a waste of time.
But that LITERALLY IS THE GAME. That's the point, and that's why I say you don't actually like MMOs. You don't want organic situations, you don't want conflict between players, you don't want to actually deal with other people who might waste your time. What you want is to beat up npcs and get equipment. You want a singleplayer RPG.
>You want a singleplayer RPG.
Please name a singleplayer RPG that gives a persistent online world were other players can gather and do content together. They get regular updates, and even expansions every 2-3 years.
>getting blocked from progressing your character, like, IS the game
And there's a reason you''re not a developer for these games
>fight a months long war to get access to a dungeon
>finally push your enemies back and get access
>get inside and find a new sword
Just admit you don't want an adventure, you want to see number go up.
>months long war
>to get access to a dungeon
Holy shit, what? Anybody reasonable would have given up on the game within a day of that bullshit, or even called in a GM.
You're co-opting the term MMO to fit your definition. Just because that's an aspect a lot of MMOs had doesn't somehow make that it's definition. Going out to eat at a resturaant doesn't mean I want to be forced to sit at a table with random strangers to eat my meal with. Participating in the construct of society doesn't somehow mean you're forced to be social. Christ, this is Ganker, that should need to be explained.
No it isn't. You're unambiguously saying that you hate being mildly inconvenienced. FFXIV players hate any and all friction in games, it's a known thing.
Some homosexuals loitering outside a dungeon and making sure people can't go in isn't "a mild inconvenience" no matter how many times you say it.
>Some homosexuals loitering outside a dungeon and making sure people can't go in isn't "a mild inconvenience"
No, that's exactly what it is.
No matter how many times you say it.
You're kind of proving my point here, about how FFXIV players hate any and all friction. In your mind it's a huge deal when a normal person would probably just brush it off, or use some ingenuity to come out on top. You can just kill him, or get past him before he kills you. It's not even hard, at least in WoW.
Writing the other guy's memoirs for him and pretending they're real isn't an argument.
>a normal person would probably just brush it off
A 'normal person' would either quit the game or never play the game in the first place. There is a reason every open world PvP MMO is dead or dying. 'Normal People' don't want to play those MMO's.
>play a genre centered around emulating a giant D&D game with a persistent shared world where you gather allies and make friends to overcome problems
>shit your pants and cry because you don't want to make friends or you can't because you act like a Black person or explore or overcome danger you just want to get rewards
this is literally just a generic garry's mod sandbox map
Uh, actually, the world of Final Fantasy XIV is called "Hydaelyn," or "Etheirys".
Only wow is dumb enough to name five separate entities the same thing
Azeroth is a planet. Eorzea is a continent. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
>tfw enjoy both WoW and FFXIV
You're a bunch of manchildren.
I enjoy both games too, I just really fricking hate FFXIV players.
>I enjoy both games too
Doesn't sound like it. Both games have shit communities for different reasons.
>Doesn't sound like it.
Why? Does the concept of raising criticism of a game I enjoy confuse you like it does with FFXIV players?
If you think FFXIV has a bad community but WoW doesn't, then you're clearly biased. The fact that you "fricking hate" the FFXIV community, but didn't mentions WoW's speaks volumes. Like most of this thread, you're just desperate to shit on FFXIV.
>If you think FFXIV has a bad community but WoW doesn't, then you're clearly biased.
WoW has plenty of problems with its community, I never claimed they were perfect. The FFXIV community is far, far worse.
>The FFXIV community is far, far worse
Explain. Your typing pattern leads me to believe you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
>Explain.
What's to explain? You can see the way FFXIV players react to minor criticisms of their game in every tangential community. WoW doesn't have that problem in the slightest.
>you're the same guy spamming FFXIV images trying to convince people they look bad.
I am that guy, and they do look bad.
no bias here at all
>morons constantly lie and make up shit to try make their sinking trashfire look better and distract from the constant troony shit and rape going on with the devs
>people correct the lying
>"SEEE LOOK HOW BAD AND INSECURE THEY ARE HAHAHAH"
correct the lying
It's not lying, I literally posted images showing how bad the game looks and FFXIV players still deny it lmao.
This feels like a deliberate falseflag at this point to make WoWgays look dumb as bricks
>FFXIV thing worse because it just is okay
of fricking course
see
It literally is just that.
Ignore this moron.
Trips of truth.
Can you show me the current high end raid for WoW please? Watching P8S for the music is making me curious.
>I consoooom more products so I'm better
So, we're resorting to this now?
>I am that guy
Thanks, we're done here.
>Thanks, we're done here.
FFXIV players often flee from arguments when they're scared, I'm used to it.
You are a homosexual for playing FF14 and you are not part of my fricking WoW community. Frick off, troony
WoWgays are genuinely unhinged bucks and it shows
>new WoW expansion coming
>desperate shitting in FFXIV
every time
>desperate shitting in FFXIV
is everyone constipated?
I was so constipated two nights ago that I my hemorrhoids started bleeding.
Talk about WoW.
Miguel, my husband, I love him sooo much I suck and frick and drink his cum, oh bring me 3 bear pussies by the way I need them for reasons
Everyone pushing for this gay inclusion doesn't remember there were gay NPCs in the game as far back as vanilla. Kinelory and Quae were in the Arathi Highlands in 1.0. And in Wrath there was that night elf camp in Dragonblight where the girls were all flirting with each other.
Now they are just going out of their way to make it blatant and cram it down everyone's throats that the mentally ill evolutionary dead-ends exist in this fantasy world.
>the mentally ill evolutionary dead-ends exist in this fantasy world.
MAGA players?
Who cares about story, which game has the sweatiest lore?
FFXIV has the better lore. Unfortunately it's one of the game's only redeeming qualities.
>If it's objectively worse then it's not a shameless copy you fricking moron. A shameless copy would at least be as good.
Why?
FFXIV players are very intolerant.
He purchased a boost, jumped into raids, and then called the game shit when he failed.
If someone wants to criticize a game, that's fine. But I honestly have more respect for the people who have never touched the game and call it troony shit than I do this disingenuous prick. At least those people are being honest about it.
>If someone wants to criticize a game, that's fine.
not if the game is FFXIV lmao.
FFXIV players criticize the game all the time, what are you talking about?
The official FFXIV forums are mostly players b***hing about shit. Of course all you're going to find on twitter is fake positivity trannies engaging in mob tactics because that's most of twitter's userbase in general.
>FFXIV players criticize the game all the time, what are you talking about?
True, there's a list of approved criticisms, but you aren't allowed to deviate from that script.
>yes xiv players criticise the game, but they dont criticise it the way i want them to so its invalid
you're a buck broken little queer and it shows
>yes xiv players criticise the game, but they dont criticise it the way i want them to so its invalid
This isn't what I wrote. Read my post again.
You didnt specify any criticism of XIV that would be 'not allowed' for XIV players to bring up because you're disengenuous.
>You didnt specify any criticism of XIV that would be 'not allowed' for XIV players to bring up
Whenever I talk about how bad FFXIV questing is FFXIV players respond with lies about how it's the same as WoW questing except with a better story. Is that a good example or do you want more?
FFXIV questing being bad is subjective based on how much you enjoy the more story/dialogue focused quests. Moreover everyone gave shit to questing during SB for being one of the worst examples of it in the game with multiple quests being to walk someplace and talk to someone and that being the quest. So you're wrong we've established that for a fact.
>FFXIV questing being bad is subjective based on how much you enjoy the more story/dialogue focused quests.
No, it's objectively bad for multiplayer mmo gameplay. It's designed like a single player VN and barely accommodates multiplayer at all apart from dungeons. If you try to play with a friend, most of the time you will be following waypoints and watching movies in silence together.
Thats subjective.
Which part?
> It's designed like a single player VN and barely accommodates multiplayer at all apart from dungeons.
This isn't subjective, this is how the game functions, even if you like it.
>If you try to play with a friend, most of the time you will be following waypoints and watching movies in silence together.
This is also objectively how the game works, even if you like it.
All of this is actively unaccommodating of multiplayer gameplay.
You can skip cutscenes if it really bothers you that much.
Wow, so then I can mindlessly follow waypoints with my friend and every 5 hours I might get to press 2 buttons of my rotation against a mob in a purple circle before it dies. Amazing!
And yet, its better than WoW so it must be doing something right.
>its better than WoW
Questing sure as frick isn't.
your right it isn't worse, they don't force you to collect 2561 bear asses for a ring to progress the story in XIV
the funniest part is where he called the story shit
WHERE
WERE
THE
HEALS?
Isn't Quin69 a big wowhead and FF14 hater?
the guy has 69 in his name so I don't know why anyone takes him seriously
Which community let's me call someone a homosexual without getting perma-banned? That one is better.
Dragonflight is full of gay dragons, including gay frogs and gay centaurs.
remember when virtually every centaur was an enemy because they were literal satanspawn
I don't even really care about some back line guy that got injured more than magic in this world can solve being bound to a wheelchair. It makes sense. War sucks and people get maimed and badly injured. It's when you add the combat wheelchair like they did in D&D that I feel the line is crossed.
>entire thread calling FFXIV players bad
>no criticism of WoW players whatsoever
what are the odds
>Play both games
>WoW players call FFXIV players shit
>Point out how WoW players can also shit with examples
>"Shut up ZIVtroony"
>FFXIV players call WoW players shit
>Point out how FXIV players can also be shit with examples
>"Shut up WoWdrone"
You're all fricking terrible and deserve eachother.
>WoW players call FFXIV players shit
>Point out how WoW players can also shit with examples
>"Shut up ZIVtroony"
See this a lot.
>FFXIV players call WoW players shit
>Point out how FXIV players can also be shit with examples
>"Shut up WoWdrone"
Never seen this.
Depends on the mood of the thread. This is definitely a "Shut up ZIVtroony" thread.
wowbucks calling any other game a troony game while their game has troony npcs, troony players, and troony devs will never not be funny
This. I don't deny that FFXIV has it's share of trannies in the playerbase, but what fricking game doesn't? Even 40K with all of it's grimdark testosterone bullshit has trannies trying to force their way in every now and again.
But WoW is infected from the top down.
I also love when WoW players called FFXIV a furry game because of anime catgirls and eventually Hrothgar yet they have
>Tauren
>Worgen
>Pandaren
>Vulpera
And now scaly trans dragons. But like, genuine scaly trans dragons and not what people memed Au'ra to be.
WoW playrs are the best at projecting their own failures onto others
>>"Shut up WoWdrone"
>Never seen this.
There are two examples of "wowbuck" in this very thread.
after 200 posts of seething and pathetically trying to shit on XIV
and 200+ shitting on FFXIV players
Half of those posts are FFXIV players shitting on WoW players. You can literally read the thread to see it.
I have been in this thread for a while. It's the same schtick. First you attack the gameplay, then failing that you attack the visuals, and failing that you're now attacking the community. You do this same shit in every fricking FFXIV thread. Next you'll bring up the optional cash shop.
>First you attack the gameplay, then failing that you attack the visuals, and failing that you're now attacking the community.
Yeah, these are the 3 pillars of bad game design that FFXIV is founded on.
>he admits it
fricking lmao
he's stopped hiding because everyone knows his post style
barry doesnt post anymore but there are a dozen copycats
>the community is "bad game design"
XD
2/200 how awful
poor wow players
What are the odds that blizzard will actually attempt to reclaim their MMO king status? Regardless of how anyone feels about it, XIV objectively hold the MMO spotlight at the moment. Will they throw more money and devs at it to steal back their spot, or will they just keep milking the already-trapped and run the brand recognition as far as it'll go?
imagine still supporting Blizzard lol
a company that actively hates you
After hardcore raiding in WoW for 16+ years I enjoy the simplicity in FFXIV's gearing system. You get the piece that's better you do more damage. No spreadsheets or simulations need to be run on how this trinket combined with this necklace and that legendary item with those gems and enchants makes it 0.1% better than this other combination and if you do it wrong you don't get a group.
I'm of a similar mind. I've long since burned out on it.
It wasn't even that bad in the past. It used to be "This boss drops this tinket and this boss drops this trinket. You should try to get these"
But then it turned into
"Okay this boss drops this trinket and this boss drops this trinket, but you want the titanforged versions and you need to pair them with this piece of armor that interacts with the borrowed power system. Also that spec you're playing is bad right now play this other spec you don't like or you're out of the raid. Now go grind out Mythic Plus and try to get these specific stats that have a chance to randomly appear but only on this boss starting at this key level"
I don't have time for that shit anymore.
They did finally get rid of war/titanforging with Shadowlands but the looming cancer of M+ ever remains. Now instead of just raiding to get the gear if you're not pushing the hardest keys in a clique you get passed up for the people that nolife run M+ for 4 hours a day seven days a week for the chance of an upgrade and a drop from the vault.
why is this shitty thread even still up
it's anti ffxiv
if it was anti wow it would've been pruned
>people arguing about shitty rotations, shitty graphics, and whatever gay shit they spew out when both games suffer from the same dog shit problems as the other one does
You are all homosexuals for arguing over which shitty mmo is worse when in reality they both suck wiener for the same reason. So just play them and shut the frick up or just have a nice day
Good game
au ra are all so fricking ugly
you are gay
I'm so sorry
nah lizards all have fricked up faces
i'm pretty sure au ra females only have one good face
This autist is the only cute Au Ra in the entire game.
Cats won again.
>bimbo
>chink
>no brain
>poop face
You lost.
Femras have at least 3 good faces, which is more you can say about any other race.
That's fem viera and even that one face is debatable.
I just love Viera so much.
In art they look great. In game they look like shit.
All Auri women are queens
downey face
sauce
sprouts are cute
FFXIV still think their shitty weeb game brought down WoW? lmao
Blizzard brought down WoW. We've said for more than a decade now, no game can kill WoW but WoW.
WoW hasn't been brought down, that's just the mantra they repeat like zombies in order to feel validated.
WoW requires alts if you want to play different classes and so everyone uses alts. FFXIV lets you play every class on one character and only the sweatiest diapergays use alts so they can manipulate gear distribution.
Even if it were the case that all WoW players raided on alts, which it isn't, these numbers still prove that the game isn't close to being dead.
They're not made up numbers, they're figures from FFlogs/WoWlogs. Kihra owns and operates both sites.
>FFlogs/WoWlogs
and that is their source?
Yes, and it corroborates closely with the figures presented by the luckybancho census.
https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurvey_en.htm
Have you seen the census survey? It's really not that different from kirha's figures.
>FFlogs/WoWlogs
Where do they get their numbers from?
>FFLogs
>not using the Lucky Bancho census data which is far more accurate
lmao
luckybancho shows fewer characters than kirha does lol
I remember you posting in this in another thread and admitting those numbers are made up because there's no official source.
Why are WoWgays so obsessed with FFXIV?
I went to the WoW general, and they just talk about FFXIV.
They've been mind broken for the past year and a half over there. Should have been there during summer last year kek.
Because WoW is dead and Blizzard is preparing to rape the corpse some more so all they can talk about is The Good Ole Days and seething about XIV
/wowg/ has a fair amount of people who haven't even played the game in years just to shitpost there, along with some refugees from /xivg/ who unironically talk about XIV more there than in /xivg/ which is just an ERP/groomer general
No they don't, they talk about something called OG. idk what that is but it sounds fun
>tfw playing OSRS and not caring about both of these garbage MMOs
Don't think you're in the clear boy.
that entire newspost is fake though something similar happened in runescape 3
I've wanted to start for a while now because I like the idea of just making whatever character I want for RP purposes, but I sure as frick don't want another subscription and neither do I want to become a slave to the gold sub redeem. Maybe I'll just start a free account and find some funny niche to fit into.
Yea just give the free stuff a try. I will say members access is 1000x better, but you can still scratch some of that itch in f2p.
I just love the questing/writing in runescape along with the world itself. So nostalgic I can't get enough.
I'll confess, I watched stuff like tileman and swampletics and the fact that you can still progress and succeed under such heavy restrictions was what interested me.
Oh yea snowflake and self imposed restrictions make the game SO interesting. I restarted my character to make an Ironman to change how I play and view the game. I quit my main who was like total lvl 1885 or so ~80 days played or so for fresh.
I haven't looked back once.
>WoW now takes place in Eorzea
>FFXIV now takes place in Azeroth
What changes?
both games would be better
face 4 moonie bros report in
Dragonflight looks genuinely fricking terrible.
I don't know why anyone can still like Blizzard.
Sunk cost fallacy
>muh mounts muh mogs muh cheevos i cant quit i cant just give them up dood
Unironically yes
I quit wow for OG, and there I do not feel the same anxiety over having to grind to get the mounts or the pets.
In a way it's a failure, it's not as addicting as WoW.
It's a combination of trannies, addicts, and hardcore raiders.
This tells you everything you need to know.
>Ion jokes around with the players
>FFXIV players get so offended steam shoots out of their ears
Well I know which community is more autistic now.
>Ion tells the players not to play a certain subclass (And tells them he wont be fixing said subclass)
>WoWbucks clap and continue to sub to the game
>still more raid viable specs in WoW than there are total jobs in FFXIV even after Ion tells people to not play demo
kek
>having spec bloat that is unbalanced and unviable is good because...........because it just is!
WoW has significantly more gameplay variety among its objectively larger amount of specs too. FFXIV barely has any classes and they still all feel the same lol
>every single dps is a two button builder spender rotation with a different coat of paint
>dood theres so much variety!!!!
Healers are the only truly varied role in WoW
Here come the lies.
>Enjoy having whatever spec you main being made unviable
All specs are viable, the idea they're not is made up.
Here are some stats from the past 2 weeks:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29/
>All specs are viable, except when they werent, like shaman healer
>All specs are viable
Correct, and the link I posted demonstrates that.
>All specs are viable, the idea they're not is made up.
>Here are some stats from the past 2 weeks:
>https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29/
Wowie, look what happens when I put 95th percentile data
Do FFXIV players think you need to be in the 95th percentile to clear raids?
Do FFXIV players not know what "viable" means?
If you clear a raid at 1th percentile, it's because you got carried by the other 80-90th percentile players in your group for the dps checks.
Source : personal experience dying repeatedly in a fight and still clearing because of other players
>If you clear a raid at 1th percentile
Good thing no one is talking about clearing raids at the 1th percentile lmao.
>Good thing no one is talking about clearing raids at the 1th percentile lmao.
You implied it by presenting the total boxplot instead of the top player performance, you're implying that you don't take into account variations of performance vs overall group performance
>You implied it
No I didn't. I wouldn't expect anyone playing at the 1st percentile to be able to clear raids on any class in either game.
>You realize that's AFTER being fully geared from the mythic raid itself, right?
Ah yes, the Demo warlocks got fully geared by not clearing the raids.
>inb4 muh boosties
No, plenty of them actually clear.
No, but wow community does.
>Ret's actually good
Dang, too bad it took years after I quit for it to finally happen.
>32k dps
they probably think this isn't enough to clear sepulcher lol. ff players are funny.
>they probably think this isn't enough to clear sepulcher lol. ff players are funny.
You realize that's AFTER being fully geared from the mythic raid itself, right?
why is demo lock bad I love summoning shit nether portal is cool
Not that anon, but you're literally using pre-patch data, which is never balanced because they implement changes centred around the upcoming expansion at a time where current expansion mechanics (legendaries/borrowed power) are still effective. This causes all sorts of ridiculous combinations and outlandish DPS. It's a short period of time between expansions so people can get used to the changes, balance is not the main objective.
Use any of the other filters (i.e, the not horrendously disingenuous ones) and you'll see the disparity is considerably smaller.
It was the best warlock spec by miles until pre-patch, this guy is just cherry picking
Enjoy having whatever spec you main being made unviable for no reason other than Ion is moronic next expansion. Every class in XIV is viable if you say otherwise its a genuine skill issue.
19 combat + 11 non combat + 1 blue boy is not 'barely any'. I will grant that all the crafters and btn/mnr are identical, but that's still 23.
Everything you need to know is here
WoW will never have biofem clothes fly off on their own when the antagonist smirks.
literally fricking who
Do YOU make biofem clothes fly off on their own when you smirk?
what's with the fake crying
>feels like shit for letting down millions of people
>fake crying
autist
does wow have girls only servers?
yes
I wonder if they do a screening
it says ALL in capital letters so i presume we have a Bumble like situation
Uhm it's type2 here, girl or woman is problematic.
>girls only
>probably 90% are trannies
>Girls only
>ALL women are welcome
There are no real women in that server.
im pretty sure it's just one sperg desperate to shit on FFXIV in this thread
keeps going on about muh community
There are a few people that don't like it and no one really cares but Barry is in league of his own, both XIV and YoshiP live rent free in his head.
Why is barry like this
He's mentally ill, and not just in a meme way, but clinically. Just like ACgay for example.
post your xiv/wow characters
enough fricking shitflinging pls
I am the OSRS skiller
And here's my FFXIV char.
Okay
SEX
Representing for the keeper bros. All 10 of us.
Postan'
How come Clouds Bike has the highest mount speed in the game while this one doesn't?
Because one costs real money and the other is a grind reward.
Interesting.
whats the coolest sam sword
the wooden stick from gold saucer
The boken
Law's Order Katana (non glowing ver.)
>(non glowing ver.)
Limp dick confirmed
Halonic Friar or Nightsteel iirc
Gordian Katana, Seiryu's Rippled Katana, Manderville Katana
Abyssos Katana
it's really hilarious to me how even the most ardent of blizzdrones don't defend them anymore, but wowbucks are still desperately slurping at the final nuggets of shit from blizzard
how do they not notice they're finally alone in their delusion
hmm
hmmmmmmmm
I see the word wow used a lot, not referring to the game.
kek
desperate
>Oh you want to push high M+?
>Sorry sweetie only one group comp is allowed, you can go back to your casual runs or level and gear up an alt 🙂
>DH 0.5%
Why are they so low?
Can get better damage and required utility from other classes. That’s the gist of why any class is never taken
Job gauges were truly the worst addition to XIV.
Frick Stormblood.
Hey Barry, are you off your meds again?
>thread inching closer to limit
>shitposting getting lazier
Just spam lewd post and kill it now
nothing kills threads faster than lalafell
correct
sauce
OC, I haven't posted it anywhere besides friends.
Catbox it.
Catbox has never and is seemingly still not working for me, tried VPNs, I've never gotten it to work.
try anonfiles
That worked, thanks
https://anonfiles com/C2q0meFfyb/h5_png
the relationship between WoW and FFXIV reminds me a lot of my own relationship problems I went through. When I was in college I met this girl that sat next to me in one of my classes. We were both in the same major too. Naturally I got her phone number and would try to talk to her but she would barely respond much if at all, sometimes taking hours to respond to my texts and she would never hangout with me when I invited her to do things either. Later on a friend of mine in the class that is 6ft6 showed me the text messages she was sending him. Shit like
>o tall friend, I dont like my current boyfriend because I prefer tall guys
>o tall friend will you come to the party and pick me up? I got a little drunk xD
I realized at that point she was a roastie prostitute and sort of ignored her. About 4 years after we graduated I ran into her because we both landed jobs at the same company.
>hey anon do you remember me?
she had gotten pretty fat, like maybe 240lbs since we had graduated. She talked to me a bit and invited me to lunch. When I met with her she told me about how her baby daddies were all shit and how she hates how flaky and uncommitted men are. I promptly said it was her fault that she got pumped and dumped and is just a nasty bawd and then I made the waiter split our bill and I left. She actually started crying after I did that and said she is not a prostitute she just made a mistake and the bad men tricked her. I called her a moron and I left the restaurant.
frick FF14,
I just resubbed to xiv, wasn't Alphies mommy a weekly quest now?
Yes and she directly asks you for something sexy to wear so she can rail her husband in it
Where is she? I saw no quest markers in not-athens
Well-dressed Attendant NPC next to Agora, X:12.6, Y:9.7
Hmh, ok. I might have picked it up. Thanks anon
yes, for crafter/gatherer.
why is fordola so cute
Both are the same troony shit.
Everything is troony shit, because trannies are just groomed autistic men, and most video games are for autists, them playing war games of all things explain a lot, things no real women ever will
trying to meme "troony" into a non-specific term for Anybody I Don't Like didn't work
what MMO do chads play?
>mmo shit-flinging thread just left up
why even have a rule about "post quality"?
Because Ganker is way too big to actually be reasonably moderated and splitting it up into six or seven daughter boards + Ganker itself didn't work.
I've tried 3 times to play FF14, but the story is just awful. It's also very stupid that "You can pair any two classes for cool combos!" Guild Wars style mechanic gets dropped for 'YOU MUST TAKE RANGER + [whatever the thing is] TO GET BARD OR ELSE'
They don't even have that anymore you just level archer to get bard.
Dude you're describing cross-class which hasn't been in the game for over five years. You're also describing multiple class requirements for jobs which haven't been in the game for over five yeras.
class arr filter at work
t. guy who read a single hot take click bait 2.0 ARR review and decided to run with it
Bro that's my wife. Piss off.
why are you using 5+ year old bait
why is nanamo so hot
OW MY butthole
HOT
Can you be this based in WoW?
Genuinely curious as I've never played it.
It got popular at a time where I wasn't playing vidya.