Can't believe I'm seeing it, but WoW is really dying.
www.mmo-champion.com/content/11695-Patch-10-2-PTR-Build-51239
WoW will give you ai teammates in dungeons
Can't believe I'm seeing it, but WoW is really dying.
www.mmo-champion.com/content/11695-Patch-10-2-PTR-Build-51239
It's *been* dying for a while. AI assisted dungeons is just another nail in the coffin (but probably not the last one.
The MMO genre, like RTS before it, just isn't a viable model anymore.
You are reading this all wrong, this is just a new feature to impress shareholders there are no issues with dungeon queues
>The MMO genre, like RTS before it, just isn't a viable model anymore.
What's changed? Why aren't MMOs as successful as they used to be?
He's talking out of his ass. Even shitty MMOs tend to make their money back. The problem is that since WoW came out in 2004 the standard for MMO success became like 15 million concurrent players or some nonsense like that.
Peak EQ had concurrent player counts in the hundreds of thousands and it was considered a wild success at the time. For some reason though, WoW numbers are considered the baseline and if you can't get those, everyone considers your game a failure.
Suits consider it a failure. As a player as long as you can find a party within half minute you're good to go.
It's probably has to do with money mismanagement, a single player game even with MP tackled on has pretty much only an initial development cost and then most of money is profit after launch with only a handful of devs left fixing bugs/correcting balance, for MMOs it's different, you need active jannies that monitor the game, you need to constantly develop and launch content, you need people specialized in managing the networks both hardware and software wise, there's a lot of maintenance to do and the game shifted in a meta both pve and pvp that is competitive so you need to keep balancing classes accordingly.
Actual w; you don't have to interact with fricking wow players.
It does contradict the MMO part of the game, no? Then again, I haven't played in 7 years so who knows how bad the community has become.
Worse than you think.
MMORPG's haven't had you work with people in like 15 years. They're basically all just games that you solo while other people stand near you for 99.99% of the game, then do like 2 dungeons with a team
>Not having to interact with people IN A FRICKING MASSIVE MULTIPLE ONLINE RPG IS A WIN GUYS!!
the absolute fricking state of zoomers, jesus christ.
you already don't
>wow players
Who?
lol they have so much pride that they rather add AI to a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE rpg than to make it free and try to get cosmetic bucks.
Blizzard may legitimately die in our lifetime.
Seriously, who would spend $15 a month when so many highly populated games exist for fricking micro-transactions notwithstanding
>lol they have so much pride that they rather add AI to a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE
No one b***hes when FFXIV does this, and that's more single-player than an MMO.
I know nothing about FF14. Spare me the MMOslop war autism.
>I know nothing about FF14. Spare me the MMOslop war autism.
Well now you know, AI controlled companions have been a thing for years in mmos
Guild wars factions does it
FFXI does it
(But it didn't destroy the MMO portion of those games)
FFXIV does it, but I can't consider it an MMO when most of it's content is geared toward a single player experience.
WoW starts to do it and it's suddenly a problem, which I don't understand.
Nobody complains when FFXIV does this, BECAUSE it's more single-player than an MMO.
When WoW does this, they complain because they see it as WoW becoming more single-player than an MMO.
Guild Wars 1 and FFXI are basically dead games at this point, they both have sequels so NPC's are required for people to do the content
Because WoW is full of losers whose only joy in life is flexing on dps meters to random pugs and this means they no longer have even that.
>WoW starts to do it and it's suddenly a problem
It factually is when it didn't depend on it until now. If I still played WoW I wouldn't want anything to do with that shit because I don't play a MMO to play a singleplayer game with bots.
Again, I don't know or give a frick about other MMOs because I'm scrutinizing WoW on its own. Just because some other game some other time in history did something it doesn't suddenly make it good that WoW is doing it too. So pipe down with the comparisons.
>So pipe down with the comparisons
MAKE ME!
You can remove that first M, now. Hell, let’s just remove both.
Its dead already.
DPS AI? For what purpose? That's the role there's no shortage of
DPS is easy to get going through NPCs, healing too, both can just follow you around and attack what you're attacking, like hunter pets. Tanks meanwhile would have to lead the group, which can be a bit more annoying to get going just right.
End of the day adding DD AI is fricking stupid and isn't going to change shit, since everyone and their mother plays brain dead DPS
it's just pseudo torghast at that point, you could delete the AI DPS and lower HP and it would be the same thing
I don't understand, how can I play a dungeon if I don't have the constant tension about getting ready to kick off with the Ruskie tank who can't use a defensive for the life of him?
Shut up b***h boy healer, we pull when I say we pull.
for me it was applying for a pug raid as a healer but fully.specced ret paladin and then starting to dps bosses and rolling on every piece of gear i could
noatrilius was so much fun
frick mandate of heaven clique though
>t. auralsects
>gays are gay
I recall a night elf male warrior named "Protisgay".
Is that you?
Now if only I can raid with AIs, THEN it will be a good game.
Imagine unironically thinking playing with other players in MMOs in the year of our zoomers two thousand fricking twenty three is good.
Must be one of the shitters that still keeps on failing mechanics after 6 fricking hours.
probably because the game is so unhealthy nobody is doing N or H which looks really bad to leveling players, interesting to see what roles it does, kind of a twist on DPS only scenarios which everyone hated, but blizzard is always trying non-radiational dungeon formats so it could be interesting
>those new mounts
why do they keep pleasing the furry transexual manchildren, the new content since shadowlands has all been fairy-doggo-pupper reddit tier disney garbage, holy shit they're out of touch, welp, i guess that's what happens when half of your devs are diversity hires who care more about making the game appeal to diaper wearing, deviant art drawing, r/gaming browsing virgin 30 year old poly homosexuals.
>why do they keep pleasing the furry transexual manchildren, the new content since shadowlands has all been fairy-doggo-pupper reddit tier disney garbage
Who the hell do you think is still paying blizzard to play modern world of warcraft? I bet you're one of those cucks giving them money to play a 20 year old game.
I would rather play with AI than with people. AI is consistent and won't need to take breaks. AI won't make dumb ass mistakes. AI won't b***h and moan.
>AI is consistent and won't need to take breaks. AI won't make dumb ass mistakes. AI won't b***h and moan.
But you will
moron
>AI won't make dumb ass mistakes.
At best, it'll make the same mistakes consistently.
WoW would unironically be better now if you had 4 AI teammates and had to gear them like your character. Who the frick wants to interact with the current WoW players?
yeah we'll call them garrison followers
at that point you might as well just play on a private server ,or host your fricking own, full of bots
you can do that shit with pservers these days actually
I couldn't care less about WoW, but the idea of AI teammates and opponents is something I really wish for it to happen. Imagine a fighting game where the AI has varying levels of competency and difficulty that isn't simply about how often it reads your inputs, but rather"reacts" to what you're doing and adjust its game plan accordingly.
Will they be announcing this at Blizzcon?
Is this AI-generated content?
Definitely, hands are fricked up
That's not much different than doing dungeons in 2023 with "real" players.
I've been saying for years they should retool Classic and create a single-player version where people can actually relive their 2005 memories away from the modern tryhards and chats full of gold seller and level boost spam.
>"b-but that's against the spirit of an mmo!"
b***h the modern WoW player violates the spirit of the entire rest of the fricking game. There's all this content that nobody wants to even touch because it's not optimal according to some spreadsheet they looked up online. The game's playerbase is cancer and it needs to be cut out. It can't be saved, but the game can.
No one wants to play a single-player version of classic. Classic is literally only fun if you get to randomly run into other humans and have unpredictable interactions with them.
Outside of that, it's a boar killing simulator.
>Retail will now give you shit that PRIVATE LOCALLY HOSTED SERVERS HAD FOR YEARS
fricking hilarious, gotta love the irony. i guess the game continues to die out, starving of players that can be bothered to play dungeons
please show me one private server that had the functionality of ai companions that could do mythic dungeons
homie this is just Scenarios again wtf are you talking about? the game is dying but don't lie about shit
>AI has been a normal part of videogames for decades
>now its suddenly an issue
ITS A MMO, HEAVILY BASED AROUND TALKING TO AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE
if I want to play a offline RPG I'll play one, not fricking WoW, you dumb zoomer KEKBlack persontroonyDICKSUCKER
You've clearly never played retail wow.
Wow players might as well be npcs already, nothing changes except now you interact with less brownoids
>WoW
>Communicating without gold
>HEAVILY BASED AROUND TALKING TO AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE
I just queue up solo shuffle in the main city, never talk to anyone in the match and just play the game. They even added a ping system so i can just use that instead of talking to anyone, it's pretty great.
Imagine thinking wow players talk to each other, lmaoing at ur life
Dudes where have you been? This shit died in wotlk, where solo playing became the norm. These people who cry now how mmos died would give out their kidney even for a minimal convenience to minmax and get +5dps.
They behaved like NPCs for years anyway. As for AI, 50% of the playerbase are chinkbots anyway.
>Massively Multiplayer Online
>Only ever travel between 3 zones
>AI for dungeons so you never have to interact with actual people
I guess the game is still online? You're 1/3 nice job, blizzard.
>itt a lot of morons crying about interacting with people being removed from the game
>when Mythic+ has been in the game for years already
shut the frick up
watch the video
beep boop the proper path
do the skips or get kicked
The proper path doesn't even really exist now. It did in Brackenhide, but it just meant you went to the swamp on the right. Mob count dictates pathing more than anything else and most of the dungeons made you kill 90% of mobs to get mob count, so moot point.
>do the skips or get kicked
The worst skip in the game was Uldaman, at the end. You'd skip the last 2 snake guards by hopping on the wall.
Nobody does hard skips in anything below 25s. And anybody good enough to do 25s+ doesn't b***h and moan about skipping or hugging a wall.
Only morons hard stuck in 14s b***h and moan about what better players are doing in harder dungeons.
I've never once watched a video for M+ dungeons or raids. I have Keystone Master and Keystone Hero every single season except the very first M+ season in Legion. I even have Challenge Mode appearances from WoD.
The first 2 weeks I learn with the community; we wipe, learn debuffs, figure out which trash is deadliest. Hotfixes go out and change some of the dynamic, so 3rd week is for slightly relearning.
As for raids I go into Normal first week. One shot every boss except 2-3, wipe a few times. Learn the fight.
Then I immediately go into Heroic. I have AOTC going back since they implemented that in what, MoP?
And I have a couple CEs from Legion and BFA.
Only morons, lazy people, or women need to watch videos to defeat hard content. I'm 3.2k io and I brute forced my way there in fricking pugs.
Wait, so the game doesn't get to be called an MMORPG anymore. It's now just an always online single player RPG.
Will they talk to me ? You know unlike the human bots playing with me usually ?
You haven't done Mythic+.
I don't even know what that is.
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>[stream of addon warning vomit]
>fricking morons
>player has left the group
>gg
>player has left the group
>player has left the group
>player has left the group
peak socialization right here
They figured out that the worst thing about WoW is the players
Yup I'm sure WoW is dying this time just like you homosexuals have been saying for the last 19 years. But this time, this time i'm sure your right.
>damage control by literally replacing players with bots
>i-it's not actually dying
lmao homosexual
its not dead tho
you can LITERALLY log in right now therefore its WINNING tigerblood best MMO still cry about it xivdoomtroonydoomdoomydoomtroony
riftbros.. we finally won
Where does it say AI team mates you stupid fricking Black person
At this point you might as well do what I'm doing and use the WoW Single Player Project. You pick what version of the game you want to use. Install a modded client. And you populate a server with bots that play the game similar to real players. You can either invite them to your party or spawn in your alts as party members. And you control them similar to CRPGs like Baldur's Gate. It's pretty comfy. The bots are unironically more talkative and social than actual retail players. AND THEY FRICKING PLAY THEIR ROLE!
you just gave me the biggest nostalgia boner for the .hack// games
god damnit, i always wanted an actual game that did that shit.
Bro I just wanted to play a game with people who would play the game too and talk to me but this simple thing has become so impossible that we need to populate whole servers with bots now...
I'm not playing MMO's to talk to people or make friends. I'm there for the pvp.
>I'm not playing MMO's to talk to people
Yeah I know. Nobody is. You're all sociopaths.
hope youre not playing WoW then, even blizz has told your kind to FOAD.
Got my mistweaver to 2400 in solo shuffle yesterday. I really like WoW pvp.
>still playing WoW
>solo shuffle
>monk
weve found 'em boys.
the most moronic person.
Why do you care so much about what someone is playing? Why does this "dead" game make you so butthurt and worried?
>butthurt and worried
homie im making fun of you
the frick your moron ass smokin
lol
But you sound angry and not like you are having a good time at all. But hey whatever helps you sleep & cope at night
The most moronic player plays BM Hunter.
Mistweaver monk was at least really good the previous patch but BM have been shit in all content for years and looking at the next patch, it's not going to change.
Idiots still play it and still cry about it on the forum everyday
That's cool i'm gonna keep playing games i enjoy. Maybe you can find something you enjoy in your jaded life, maybe.
>when the damage control accidently's twice
ruhroh riscord roonies, roo rot rusted.
I think you are having a stroke, you should calm down.
but thats my secret cap
im alwsyf f afein g st toke
this is how i have to play escape from tarkov now since theres so many cheaters and the game doesnt work online on linux
>the game doesnt work online on linux
why not? i thought the anti-cheat had linux compat or something
it does but the devs wont enable it or some shit
Playing SPP WotLK with your own customized party is absolute soul. You can tweak everyone to fill whatever niche you want and they all manage their own gear and talents without you having to micromanage. You just give them a console command to spec into a particular build. You can even edit an ini file to make custom builds they auto spec into if that's what you want. I upped the stats of raid stuff so it's a bit more challenging and frick me I'm having so much fun. It feels like how I remember Wrath being before minmaxing autists ruined it.
Still the most popular MMO 🙂
It's been "dying" since 2008 according to Gankereddit though
>playing with ai instead of trannies
uhh wow bro...we are so back...this will save the game
If AI dungeon companions means a game is dead them XIV died a long time ago
Well well well, dps troons spent years being uppity that they were the most important and hardest role, yet they are the first to be automated with ai.
I always knew you morons were basically subhuman robots compared to us tank Chad's or even the healbawds.
Now we have no need for you morons, and it's not like you can play real roles like tank or heal so you have no place in the world anymore. Good fricking riddance. Rest in piss.
elite DPS is the most value, shitter DPS is the least valuable
>welfare class gay talking shit
Healing is the hardest roll but tanking is just so mouth breathers can feel included
i'm always amazed to see tanks who can't monitor their debuffs and do a tank swap in the current year, it's got to be like half of them
>tank swap
theres nothing that says "we couldnt think of how to make two of your dumb asses useful" than
1: lul adds at random
2: Debuff for +X% damage, swap pls!
Even the good tanks are just shitty players it's a joke of a role and the good tanks will tell you this even
it doesn't help small casual raids are a dead format totally replaced by m+ so tanks can't learn anything normally
How the frick is healing hard? Healing is only hard if you run with brain dead homosexuals in PuGs, if you actually play with even semi competent players, it's the easiest role in the game with the least responsibility. All you have to do with a decent group when you're the healer is react to predictable damage, it's brain dead simple. Healing is only hard when your group is constantly fricking up.
its also the hardest role to prog on. but the initial time and effort investment pays off the most of all the roles
LFG dungeons are a joke why are you all making fun of dps for this? Call me when AI can do M+15
Based. Next we will get AI healers in solo shuffle
FFXIV implemented this years ago just saying
yeah we all know xiv is a singleplayer game
How do you use it though? I played through the base game and had to play the dungeons normally. There was no indication that you could do them single player with bots.
They added trusts for Shadowbringer dungeons when Shadowbringers came out. Everything after ShB has trust support. For older stuff, they started piecemeal adding trust support for dungeons starting in like 6.1 and now they've got everything up to Shadowbringers. A few dungeons had to be changed to make them work for AI parties.
It didn't really affect things much though because trusts are much slower at doing the dungeon than humans so most people just opt to do dungeons with humans. The main beneficiaries are MSQ andys (who aren't going to play the MMO parts anyway) and people trying to finish the MSQ for the first time who play outside of peak hours.
I mean, the dungeons are so brain dead that you may as well have them so you don't need to spend a half hour in queue. They're purely tank and spank with 0 need to think.
I personally wish they let you do it for mythic+ up to a certain tier so I could just do them instead of spending an hour assembling a group of randums only for it to be wasted because they can't understand basic mechanics.
Are there any good modern MMOs put there that has healers?
I like playing healers. DPS is boring.
>Are there any good modern MMOs
no
no. for real. it's impossible in modern internet. that's why shooters got a revival, there isn't a cookie cutter or solved solution to everything in there.
but can the bots ERP
this is the most important part
and nothing will change, dungeons play like with bots since legion no matter who is in your party
M+ trained players that socializing is a waste of time, this is the inevitable outcome
well thats one way to solve the cancerous m+ playerbase problem
There have been raid/dungeon bots that worked fairy well developed by amateurs for free for a decade in the single players projects of wow, blizz is just ripping off decades old tech yet again.
>20 year old hotbar tab target spin off of a long dead rts series from the 1990's is dying
Oh no! think of the people in their mid 40's with better things to do now!
it's not dying, that's the problem.
That's nice. AI companions in MMOs have existed for 20 years in a ton of games. I played WoW with parties of "AI companions" 15 years ago using glider and multiple clients. It's about time they caught up.
legion mage tower was the most fun I had in wow
>Roles: 1-5 damage
This is a scenario, not a dungeon. It's likely for questing/story and nothing else.
Didn't Wowgays make fun of FFXIV for doing this exact shit
Adding AI companions has been possible when running private servers for years
HC classic worth going back for?
No, it's a pointless game, on top of that recently there was a prolonged server-wide lag that killed about 20% of the population.
If they adapted wow to a death=delete experience in a similar but more depth like ascension wow did then it could have merits, but simply playing a simplified vanilla with no death is moronic.
MMOs in general aren't very popular in NA or EU. The MMOs that are popular here are heavily marketed themepark WoW-clones that lose 90% of their playerbase once the next big game releases.
The people that actually play MMOs are from South America, Middle East, Russia or Central Asia. They play sandbox PvP MMOs that promote playing with friends.
>paying a monthly subscription to play a single player game