Kitsune Sword Saint with an Estoc, get vulpine pounce, the crit feats and mobility 3 and just *rawr pounces on u >:3* every enemy while critting everything that stands in your way.
But she's also not evil or particularly malicious so it's your duty as a rulecuck to tardwrangle the wizard and in return she can tell you how magic shit works and make demons explode.
Regill is actually reasonable enough to take even if you're playing good, if only because he seems like he can control himself, he's not a moronic murderhobo, just an extremely ruthless lawtard
Then he starts with his shitty tests and that's when he gets more divisive
Still makes a million times more sense than Wenduag
>Dick a demon so hard that she remains celibate and kills those who would try to sleep with her all because she fell in love and remembers a version of you that never existed
>Nice.
Yeah, how nice for a person to be bound for an (relative) eternity to a memory of you instead of finding their happiness.
What a healthy attitude. It's not like a loving partner would want their partner to be as happy as possible and are not self-centered enough to think that only they could ever bring them happiness and be their strength.
What else could be expected from a thin-skinned, selfish Gankerirgin with no self-confidence.
he don't pretend to care about them more than they deserve. he is a hardworking chad who only cares about his farm, house and future family. women secretly deep inside want to be farmer's wifes, rising kids and have simple happiness.
>Nice.
Yeah, how nice for a person to be bound for an (relative) eternity to a memory of you instead of finding their happiness.
What a healthy attitude. It's not like a loving partner would want their partner to be as happy as possible and are not self-centered enough to think that only they could ever bring them happiness and be their strength.
What else could be expected from a thin-skinned, selfish Gankerirgin with no self-confidence.
>word vomit
its her choice to remain loyal to the love she once had, everything else you wrote is a reach with the intent to elicit a specific type of response >What else could be expected from a thin-skinned, selfish Gankerirgin with no self-confidence.
jeez, that's an even bigger reach lol
>its her choice to remain loyal to the love she once had
Considering that something romantic/good/nice is objectively wrong.
Living in the past is never a good thing. It's a sign of being unable to move on.
Also, there's a big difference between a human that might lose their spouse/lover after years/decades being in a loving relationships and then for a few more decades before dying, and an immortal succubus who can live for millennia.
I never blamed Arue for staying that way, even if I'd want to her to move on.
I meant morons like you. If you can't see how wrong it is to be happy about it then you're just self-absorbed homosexual.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also, there's a big difference between a human that might lose their spouse/lover after years/decades being in a loving relationships and then for a few more decades before dying, and an immortal succubus who can live for millennia.
or... get this... she experienced love and knows it's unlikely she'll experience that ever again with anyone in the abyss, given that as per game lore demons don't give a frick about each other >I meant morons like you. If you can't see how wrong it is to be happy about it then you're just self-absorbed homosexual.
zero self-awareness, my guy, no need for such hard projection
i can tell something's eating at you that you need to take care of
11 months ago
Anonymous
>or... get this... she experienced love and knows it's unlikely she'll experience that ever again with anyone in the abyss, given that as per game lore demons don't give a frick about each other
Nice cope.
There's no reasons the ruler of Alushinyrra wouldn't be able to find herself a lover, given that we fricking have two lilitus in a literal /u/ relationship.
Even if that wasn't the case, Arue was able to find a lover on the surface. What stops her from finding a lover again?
Nothing, it's just a shitty excuse you just came up with. >zero self-awareness, my guy, no need for such hard projection
Shitting on selfish homosexuals who want their lover to never find someone else even after their death because of how fragile their ego is, is not projection.
I bet you'd consider her finding happiness with someone else as getting NTR'd, you pathetic frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Even if that wasn't the case, Arue was able to find a lover on the surface. What stops her from finding a lover again?
again, per lore demons are incredibly selfish and it's nearly impossible to find love in the abyss
given that, per game lore, she's at least a thousand years old (iirc) and her tales involve her describing about how she'd get degraded and how she'd degrade others, i find it understandable why she'd not pursue anything and look back on her memory of the first person she fell in love with
>Shitting on selfish homosexuals who want their lover to never find someone else even after their death because of how fragile their ego is, is not projection.
woah, woah, woah, i dont remember saying anything about not wanting her to move on? youre reaching and projecting again, my guy
i also think its pathetic youre this self-righteous in your attempt to put yourself above others because you think you know what others think, comes off as you're incredibly insecure >I bet you'd consider her finding happiness with someone else as getting NTR'd, you pathetic frick.
the frick are you talking about, you reaching moron? either tone down your impotent hostility or i wont reply at all
If angels can fall, demons can ascend, it's not exactly unnatural. An aeon shouldn't give a shit about laws, only cosmic balance. Demons stay in the abyss, Azatas in Elysium
>Wouldn't an Aeon push her back towards being a demon
yes. at least this game's interpretation of them absolutely would. the "correct" aeon choice in chapter 4 for instance is to punish demons for trying to do good, because they're going against their nature.
Aeons are being of absolutes; being stuck in a mortal body means it has to navigate morality. There's no absolute ''truth'' to how an Aeons would act in this case
>Befriend someone >Help them on her quest instead of telling her to frick off (you should have killed her, or not allowed her to join you) >Wait specifically until her self esteem hits rock bottom >YWABAD
It's a betrayal of trust, especially for a LN character
11 months ago
Anonymous
someone
you don't have to befriend arueshalae to have her join or to do her questline.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Uh huh anon, someone who isn't friends with her would totally go around Drezen asking questions to the citizens or sidetracking their mission during the abyss to visit a cuck
11 months ago
Anonymous
someone
you don't have to befriend arueshalae to have her join or to do her questline.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, especially an Aeon
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you should have killed her, or not allowed her to join you
Says who? A lawful neutral character could very easily allow arueshalae to join the crusade as long as she proves useful, while still not trusting her on the grounds that she's a demon.
Wouldn't an Aeon push her back towards being a demon. A good demon is as abhorrent as an evil angel to an LN type.
Aeon redeem demons
Technically the "correct" Aeon choice be to either kill or banish her back to the abyss the moment you met her.
You can't actually be called a proper Aeon until at least act 5 though.
an aeon would immediately put her ass back where it belongs. the player character is some sort of weird mortal-aeon abomination though, and she's literally fricking immortal for some god-forsaken reason. so yeah, the closest you can do in-game is tell her to stop trying to defy nature.
She is a demon though. They don't die when they are killed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think she's pretty dead, especially because this was the last we saw her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Demons don't die when they are killed in Konosuba. Host is still alive. Just back in Hell. It is why he was only mildly perturbed. Arnes is alive too.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Host said he had extra lives. I don't think Arnes did.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Host had extra lives because he is a demon. Arnes is still alive. Just trapped in hell until somebody summons her. And Komekko the most powerful demon summoner is not exactly going to summon her.
Another false equivalence from Wendugays. Regil is fine, and a pragmatic good character has no issue taking him a long.
Regil may be evil, but he's fighting for a righteous cause, and his intentions are very clearly pure. He is an extremist, but he's willing to bend the knee and follow your orders, meaning that he'll never put your good character in a situation that compromises their morality.
>Another false equivalence from Wendugays
It's like they know their waifu can't stand on her own so they have to bring up other characters that are vaguely similar to her to try and make her look good
Stop replying to yourself because you're sad that Wendu has the best romance in the game.
Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers and worships devils. Your imaginary lawful good autist KC wouldn't take him for all the Hellknights in the world.
Guess you have to kill him, you won't be roleplaying unless you only pick options that align with your alignment after all
see
Another false equivalence from Wendugays. Regil is fine, and a pragmatic good character has no issue taking him a long.
Regil may be evil, but he's fighting for a righteous cause, and his intentions are very clearly pure. He is an extremist, but he's willing to bend the knee and follow your orders, meaning that he'll never put your good character in a situation that compromises their morality.
Another false equivalence from Wendugays. Regil is fine, and a pragmatic good character has no issue taking him a long.
Regil may be evil, but he's fighting for a righteous cause, and his intentions are very clearly pure. He is an extremist, but he's willing to bend the knee and follow your orders, meaning that he'll never put your good character in a situation that compromises their morality.
see
Stop replying to yourself because you're sad that Wendu has the best romance in the game.
Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers and worships devils. Your imaginary lawful good autist KC wouldn't take him for all the Hellknights in the world.
Stop replying to yourself because you're sad that Wendu has the best romance in the game.
Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers and worships devils. Your imaginary lawful good autist KC wouldn't take him for all the Hellknights in the world.
Stop replying to yourself because you're sad that Wendu has the best romance in the game.
Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers and worships devils. Your imaginary lawful good autist KC wouldn't take him for all the Hellknights in the world.
>Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers
He explains why. His reasons were cold, but rooted in logic and for the greater good. Moreover, if you recruit him, he swears to follow all of your orders and not to defy you, because he respects you and the authority that you command. >worships devils.
Nothingburger, unironically. There are even good hellknights.
Devil worship isn't even that bad in this setting, when compared to demon worship.
By the way, Regil doesn't worship the Devil, he worships the GODCLAW, which takes different aspects to follow from FIVE gods, four of which are good aligned (including Iomedae btw)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop arguing with them, seriously, they're moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your arguments against recruiting Wenduag for her mongrel army are >She has evil intentions.
Your argument for recruiting Regill for his Hellknight army is >He has good intentions.
But I'd arguing that wanting all of society to be a dystopian nikghtmare world of devil-worshiping lawgays is pretty evil.
>By the way, Regil doesn't worship the Devil, he worships the GODCLAW, which takes different aspects to follow from FIVE gods, four of which are good aligned (including Iomedae btw)
Did you not get the secret ending?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But I'd arguing that wanting all of society to be a dystopian nikghtmare world of devil-worshiping lawgays is pretty evil.
This is irrelevant. He's not attempting to do this at all. He's a man fighting against demons that want to murder everyone and then condemn their souls to the Abyss for all of eternity. >Did you not get the secret ending?
I've seen it. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Yes, he goes to rule over hell. But there's nothing wrong with that. People CHOOSE to go to hell. Demons FORCE people to go the Abyss.
Hell in pathfinder is just a law aligned plane of the afterlife. It's =/= to the Judeo-Christian interpretation of Hell
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's =/= to the Judeo-Christian interpretation of Hell
It kind of is, though not really from the Bible itself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It kind of is, though not really from the Bible itself. >It kind of is
Not really, no. An individual chooses to go to hell. A devil can't force you to go to hell, you have to sign away your soul to them. In Judeo-Christian interpretations, simply living a life of sin alone is enough to go to hell
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hell in Pathfinder is based on Judeo-Christian fanfiction that sprung up in the millennia following the Bible. Stuff like >devil having goat features >devil ruling hell >devil sitting on your shoulder, tempting you and offering contracts for your soul >hell being made of ironic punishments
Granted that last one is also present in Greek mythology as well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its also separated like territory in a mad max movie
11 months ago
Anonymous
the plot twist in Christian cannon is that Lucifer never stopped serving the lawful God. He punishes people because God had to give that job to someone. He NEEDS to play the part of bad guy and follow this law
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the plot twist in Christian cannon is that Lucifer never stopped serving the lawful God
citations needed.
If you're referring to the book of Job:
the israelites believed satan and lucifier were different entities. Satan was believed to be mankind's adversary and a judge, while Lucifier was the one associated with hell
11 months ago
Anonymous
as an LG God in the secret ending I genuinely like that Regill went to hell to put devils into shape, is not like he would boss around your turf or heaven. Is pretty hilarious to imagine he slapping his gigantic gnome wiener in Asmodeus table and saying "clean your room"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah, that was great. And anything that helps further Regill's dreams of the armies of order laying waste to the Abyss is automatically righteous.
Remember, succubi and incubi are one and the same. Their origin in myth comes from priests making up a bullshit story of shape changing, semen stealing Demons to explain to angry farmer sneed why his wife's son looks exactly like friar chuck
Which means all succubus hentai is gay ntr, since they'll turn in a man to plant your seed in some random b***h
>Remember, succubi and incubi are one and the same.
Jokes on you, this is my kink. Also, having someone lure me into sex to extract my seed and then proceed to impregnate some random woman with my seed is very hot.
That's like saying all werewolves are shit because they are based on plebs getting high from mold infested bred and seeing dirty, unwashed crazy guys with body hair.
99% of all succubi in function nowadays do not ever shift into a male and/or use semen gathered to impregnate females, especially as they consume the semen themselves.
Regill is actually LN not LE and no amount of homosexualry will convince me otherwise. No LE would choose a demotion in rank to reconcile people to fight for the common good
They would if that decision led to them being able to harm others in a lawful and organized way or they can see a believable way for them to harm others in such a way in the future.
>It's the consequences of an autist refusing to understand there are more choice besides blue or red
You're a fricking moron who has resorted to straw mans and moving the goal post, because you're fricking ass btfo in the previous thread. So now you're acting like a passive aggressive litte b***h, because your pee sized brain can't fathom the idea that you were wrong
Do you really not get that there's like four or five people arguing against you? You're literally the only recognizable person here, because you say the same thing over and over again. It's sad.
>Do you really not get that there's like four or five people arguing against you?
I don't care if there's five mentally ill wendugays in this thread, I'll take you all on, because you're all fricking moronic and need to be schooled
it's three.
One is you, you're the guy who once got mindbroken by the supposed evil Aruegays and had a melty like this one.
The other one is the autist that keeps pretending to understand alignment nuance (he doesn't).
And the other one is one autist that always types in lowercase letters, obsessed with moving the goalpost towards Arueshalae.
I can read you like a book bro.
>mindbroken by the supposed evil Aruegays
I like Arue well enough, but, yes, I do think most Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays. >The other one is the autist that keeps pretending to understand alignment nuance
You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid. >obsessed with moving the goalpost towards Arueshalae
Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu, while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done. There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival to Arue slaughtering and corrupting thousands of good and innocent people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival
Man, I don't even need to write
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11 months ago
Anonymous
>Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays.
Why would I be jealous of who you romanced in a video game? >not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid.
This...has nothing to do with Lawful Stupid. It has everything to do with you playing an evil character, while trying to claim that they're good >Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu
Yes. Because her crimes are numerous, and she shows no remorse or regret for her actions. And simply siding with her means you'll have to let her get away with a laundry list of crimes. >while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done
Arue shows remorse. Arue is on the path to redemption. Arue has been helping the crusades since before the game even fricking started. Arue is so good that a good diety fricking vouches for her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I do think most Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays
Wenduag's romance is written liek shit, the last thing I would be is jealous of it. >You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid
It has nothing to do with being lawful, but with being good. CG and NG wouldn't put up with her shit either. >Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu, while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done
I don't ignore anything, if she said that she was wrong and tried to repent then it would be fine, instead, she doubles down on her evil idiocy while the game still expects me to keep forgiving her and putting up with her so that I can "fix" her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Wenduag's romance is written liek shit, the last thing I would be is jealous of it.
No one who's played both romances can possibly think Arue's is better or even close to being as good as Wendu's. You can like Arue better, but her romance is terrible.
>she doubles down on her evil idiocy while the game still expects me to keep forgiving her and putting up with her so that I can "fix" her
Except for the Dyra murder, which is pushing it, her romance questline gives you a good explanation for everything she does or outright subverts it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>her romance questline gives you a good explanation for everything she does
It doesn't. And the flimsy reasons for why she does take too long to appear within the story.
No good character is going to forgive Wendu for her crimes against the mongrel people.
No good guy is going to lie on Lann and slander his name so that he can recruit Wendu.
No good guy is going to look the other way and let Wendu getting away with butchering three innocent people while under your watch.
You wanna know what an ACTUAL lawful character would do if they encountered Wendu?
?t=52
Fricking execute her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No good character is going to forgive Wendu for her crimes against the mongrel people.
It's not like she had a choice, and she did legitimately want to make her people stronger.
>No good guy is going to lie on Lann and slander his name so that he can recruit Wendu.
The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people. The second time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's the best for the crusade. Seems pretty reasonable.
>No good guy is going to look the other way and let Wendu getting away with butchering three innocent people while under your watch.
It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead. Those soldiers may not have deserved to die, but they weren't innocent, either.
>Robb Stark
Robb didn't execute him because MUH INNOCENT CHILDREN WERE KILLED. He executed him because he challenged his authority. Karstark directly went against his orders, and his soldiers wouldn't have respected him had he done any different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not like she had a choice
She literally did, see
>There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival
Man, I don't even need to write
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>The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people
You're right, too bad it's all a lie, and that she was just covering up Savamelekh and Hosilla's plan (and was planning on killing you at that) >The second time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's the best for the crusade
You're not a good character. Seethe cope and dilate all you want, no sane good character would want to fricking do that, fricking LANN a lawful neutral ruthless butthole doesn't want that. >It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead
A drunken brawl that ended with Wenduag boasting to everyone that she gets a free pass, a drunken brawl that expects you to frick her after she starts pushing the "le punish me master >:)" meme, absolutely ridiculous.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and she did legitimately want to make her people stronger.
Irrelevant. What she did was heinous. And being "misguided" isn't a fricking excuse. Are you going to go and defend those mentally ill people who shoot up public places, harming dozens of people? No. >The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people.
Totally! Yep! Lie on the righteous man, so Wendu can continue to sacrifice her people to demons! How heroic! What a true HERO you are. Oh, how you just radiate goodness! >b-but Wendu doesn't actually turn them into demons unless you let her
Your good character has no way of knowing that. You're letting her get away with a laundry list of crimes, so that she can do more crimes, because ???? >It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead.
Wendu started it. Wendu murdered them. Wendu expressed no remorse for her actions and bragged to everyone present that she regretted nothing. >MUH INNOCENT CHILDREN WERE KILLED.
Quite literally why he executed them. >He executed him because he challenged his authority
moronic take. If he were executing his lords for disobeying him. Then he would've executed Lord Tully for disobeying his orders and fumbling his plan to capture the mountain. And he would've executed or demoted Lord Bolton for sacrificing his men in sieges that he didn't even approve.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can't believe you homosexuals are putting this much effort in this discussion, but then again I know exactly where I am, carry on
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Heh.... why are you putting so much effort into this? autist? >He says while conveniently replying to the anti-Wenduaggay post but not the pro-Wendu ones
You're not fooling anyone man.
11 months ago
Anonymous
anon I really don't care about wenduag, since I killed her. I just don't think it's worth arguing that much about it, you are not going to convince the CE or NE people who romanced her that they shouldn't
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What she did was heinous
She let the demons make her people stronger. In her mind, it was a chance for them to seize the future. It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be.
>Your good character has no way of knowing that.
Your character can think to himself, "I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff, but I'm down for her bringing her people to the surface to serve under me." And she delivers on her promise.
>Wendu started it
They were talking shit about their commander (you).
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know she's still planning to betray you at that point in act 3 right, I wouldn't take anything she says as truth, the troops love you
11 months ago
Anonymous
She never outright wanted to betray you. She hates Savamalekh and wants to be out from under his thumb as well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>She never outright wanted to betray you.
She's literally only hanging out with you because she thinks you're stronger. She jumps from leader to leader, depending on who she thinks is stronger, with zero sense of loyalty.
Chief Sull -> Hostilla and Savamelekh -> (you) -> Savamelekh
b***h would probably backstab you for Deskaris if he accepted her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be. >forced cannibalism isn't heinous >damning your soul to the abyss isn't heinous >forcing people to partake in a ritual with a high chance of insanity isn't henious >murdering the people (some of which are literal CHILDREN) who refuse to participate isn't heinous >lying and slandering Lann's name after he catches you redhanded isn't heinous >murdering Dyra because knows how fricking vile you are isn't heinous >"I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff
By lying on a rightoeus man?
By overlooking all of what I listed above?
What good character is going to do that?! None. >And she delivers on her promise.
...after murdering three innocent people >They were talking shit about their commander (you).
And? That doesn't give you the right to MURDER them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>She let the demons make her people stronger. In her mind, it was a chance for them to seize the future. It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be
It absolutely is, any normal person would realize how fricking evil it is, and Wenduag even goes on step above that and mocks those who died because they weren't strong enough >Your character can think to himself, "I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff, but I'm down for her bringing her people to the surface to serve under me."
Wenduag joins you under the promise of giving you a cannibal army, the game allows you to backpedal in act 3, but right then and there in the prologue? Yes, you accept >They were talking shit about their commander (you)
You're right, when someone says means things about the commander, the correct course of action is to kill them, the boast that you killed them and that you'll get away with it, only for the supposedly good commander to do just that, yup
Wendu doesn't live in a fairy tale world. Her people are literally cursed, mutant cave dwellers who live by eating bugs. The only future for them is to become even stronger than they already are and earn their place through might. You're trying to judge her by your moral standards, not taking into account her culture and circumstances.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No sane mongrel would want to be Savamelekh's b***h, they literally only do the cannibal ritual because the alternative is death >You're trying to judge her by your moral standards
Clearly, the other mongrels are wrong. Lann is wrong, Sull is wrong, Dyra is wrong, all of them are wrong, only she can be right, because her dad died
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wendu's right because she is strong and really did lead the neathers into a better future, where they will have their own land and be respected for their prowess, if nothing else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The mongrels succeed because you pull out your dick and save everyone, killing Savamelekh
Here's the main difference though, Lann doesn't force them to become crazy cannibals, he doesn't go around getting his own people killed
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lann also doesn't have a realistic understanding of the challenges they'll face in the future. Wendu, meanwhile, does.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>She let the demons make her people stronger. In her mind, it was a chance for them to seize the future. It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be
It absolutely is, any normal person would realize how fricking evil it is, and Wenduag even goes on step above that and mocks those who died because they weren't strong enough >Your character can think to himself, "I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff, but I'm down for her bringing her people to the surface to serve under me."
Wenduag joins you under the promise of giving you a cannibal army, the game allows you to backpedal in act 3, but right then and there in the prologue? Yes, you accept >They were talking shit about their commander (you)
You're right, when someone says means things about the commander, the correct course of action is to kill them, the boast that you killed them and that you'll get away with it, only for the supposedly good commander to do just that, yup
11 months ago
Anonymous
what's so good about Wenduag romance? i did it as a Lich and she end up betraying me because ???
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing. He's just a mentally insane Wendugay who's been shilling his waifu for the last few hours.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You'd have killed her in the end anyways. Lich gets nopussy., bussy, or dick
11 months ago
Anonymous
because you are a Lich and you smell
well to be fair who can blame her after only getting a wiener made of bones
okay seriously, but why did she betray me? somehow Camellia and Arue(until you turn full lich or corrupt her) stays with me but she unironically betrayed me for Savamelkek. why would you betray a powerful lich who can animate demon generals into serving him?
11 months ago
Anonymous
homie YOU. GOT. NO. DICK
No woman, freak or not will want your ass
11 months ago
Anonymous
because you are a Lich and you smell
11 months ago
Anonymous
well to be fair who can blame her after only getting a wiener made of bones
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's robust. There are a lot of different activities. You get to sleep with her, yes, but you also >playfully spar with her >learn about her past >have drunken conversations about life and loyalty >play detective and figure out what she's doing >humiliate her in public >stay one step ahead of her >break through her tough exterior to see what she's really like underneath >help redeem her and her tribe
And you know what you're rewarded with? The most romantic scene in either game, where she cries over your comatose body after you ingest the poison. No other romance has a scene like that. It's legitimately heartfelt and touching.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The most romantic scene in either game, where she cries over your comatose body after you ingest the poison
Can you imagine a Camgay writing >How does that end? With Camellia stabbing you to death, so romantic
Or an Aruegay writing >How does that end? With Arueshalae level draining you to death, so romantic
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wenduag's scene ends with the two of you becoming soulmates and her promising to be a better person.
11 months ago
Anonymous
After she fricking poisoned you, almost got you killed, all under the logic of >NOOOOO YOU WILL NEVER BE LIKE ME! YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND! YOU NEED TO INJECT THIS POTENTIALLY LETHAL POISON MY LOVE! >and her promising to be a better person
Wow... it only took accepting her plans to turn the mongrels into cannibals, her killing two soldiers, and Dyra, but we did it!
11 months ago
Anonymous
And then you learn that Wendu has always been fighting an uphill battle: that poison basically makes you want to be evil, and both of you have to fight hard to resist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ah there it is, the usual "the poison did it" poison that Wenduag already overcame in act 4
Also remember that part after taking the poison that Lann started acting more evil?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>poison that Wenduag already overcame in act 4
Anon... When she disappeared after her quest she wasn't out partying.. >Lann
He's a half mongrel and a monk at that. Of course it doesn't as much of an effect on him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Anon... When she disappeared after her quest she wasn't out partying
Yes, she goes with Savamelekh, here is the thing though, there is no poison influence here, she is genuinely betraying you right here, and this is the part where you tell her that you KNOW what she is doing which is another respect flag
But that makes no sense if you're romancing her, because she has no intention of betraying you to begin with
11 months ago
Anonymous
>there is no poison influence here
Yes, there very much is. He has influence over every mongrel by default, and her having cannibalized makes his influence is even stronger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But somehow, Lann never had to resort to the same villainy that Wendu did to survive. Really makes you think.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cause he got enough protein serving as a catamite to the older mongrelmen
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lann is most definitely a stronger person than she is yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, there is not. She's not affected there, she's not affected in act 5, she betrays Savamelekh there with absolutely zero effort, she gets over it during her act 4 quest after you pass a skill check, frick's sake pay attention.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And Wendu, knowing this, made you drink it. How romantic!
11 months ago
Anonymous
When do you spar with her, I don't remember that, also half of that list is related to her respect counter and not exclusive to the romance
11 months ago
Anonymous
>also half of that list is related to her respect counter and not exclusive to the romance
If you ignored the non-romance-exclusive content for Arue, she wouldn't have a romance at all. >When do you spar with her
Chapter 4, as I recall.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Let me see >Areelu's lab camp scene >Wintersun camp scene >Jail quest >Brothel scene >Beggar scene >Romance only dream quest >Final quest and redemption
Plus >Vellexia scene (doesn't give points or anything, but it's there) >Demon scenes, both pre and post transformation
Nah, stop talking out of your ass
11 months ago
Anonymous
's lab camp scene
"COMMANDER I'M SORRY YOU SORRY MY EVIL THOUGHTS I'M SO EVIL PLEASE REJECT ME" >Wintersun camp scene
"COMMANDER I'M SO EVIL MAYBE I'M JUST IMAGINING MY REDEMPTION" >>Jail quest
"COMMANDER I THINK SO MANY EVIL THOUGHTS WHEN I'M AROUND YOU I HAVE TO GO TO JAIL FOR YOUR SAFETY"
scene
"NOOOO DON'T REMIND ME OF MY EVIL PAST I'M SUCH A FILTHY PERSON COMMANDER TASUKETE"
scene
i'll give you this one
only dream quest
"TEEHEE COMMANDER COME LOOK AT MY DREAMS OH NO MY EVIL PAST HAS CAUGHT UP TO ME I DON'T DESERVE TO DREAM BECAUSE I'M SO EVIL AND FILTHY"
quest and redemption
"NOOOO COMMANDER I'M EVIL AND FILTHY AND DESERVE TO BE UNHAPPY OH WAIT DESNA SAID IT'S OKAY SO I LOVE YOU"
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Talking about the number of romance related events >Starts seething about the content of them
I'm not even going to bother proving you wrong, you're defending this
>No one who's played both romances can possibly think Arue's is better or even close to being as good as Wendu's
It's written like shit, picking her over Lann is dumb, rewarding her with sex after she kill those guys and gleefully boasts to everyone that she'll get a free pass is dumb (and no it's not justified) giving her a free pass after she kills Dyra is dumb, watching her act like a bipolar schizo that constantly goes from loving you to wanting to betray you is dumb, all of this for such an obvious Viconia clone, that was written with being good in mind, so you can come in with your righteous dick and "fix" her, despite how little fricking sense it makes, it's terrible.
mess
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't have content >okay it does but it's the same in my head
Wendutards are beyond moronic
>content
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yup, content, and it doesn't contradict itself with one exception, a million times better than Wenduag's entire romance being a contradiction.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Having the same conversation with Arue ten times is not content.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I agree, but it's a good thing that doesn't happen
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't have content >okay it does but it's the same in my head
Wendutards are beyond moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no other romance does that
are we going to ignore or forget Arue legend scene? or how she will literally proclaim her love for you in front of everyone and even lower the will save for the profane gift. and this happens in main event btw, not in some side quest.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No one who's played both romances can possibly think Arue's is better or even close to being as good as Wendu's
It's written like shit, picking her over Lann is dumb, rewarding her with sex after she kill those guys and gleefully boasts to everyone that she'll get a free pass is dumb (and no it's not justified) giving her a free pass after she kills Dyra is dumb, watching her act like a bipolar schizo that constantly goes from loving you to wanting to betray you is dumb, all of this for such an obvious Viconia clone, that was written with being good in mind, so you can come in with your righteous dick and "fix" her, despite how little fricking sense it makes, it's terrible.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's why you make sure your character has 8 or less int and wis to make it in character
11 months ago
Anonymous
No. You need 3 int imo. To romancer her as a goodgay, you need to start with 5 int, then immediately run to kenaberes and have your intelligence drained until it's 3.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Clearly you need 3 int or 20+ int and wis to truly romance wendydo
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw my wife Valerie have the intellect of a troglodyte
Not sure if that's bad
11 months ago
Anonymous
It just means your children will be simple folk
11 months ago
Anonymous
girls are cute when they're moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
Valerie bros.. not like this
11 months ago
Anonymous
You'll have to house train your wife, keep her chained when she is in heat and before she's socialized so she doesn't eat the mail man. And she'll never learn how to use silverware
11 months ago
Anonymous
Valerie bros.. not like this
>tfw my wife Valerie have the intellect of a troglodyte
Not sure if that's bad
Just give her Boken's +2 to every stat potion, and she'll have average intelligence.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine her confusion as her intellect fades and her eyes turn dull and glassy once again
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's a permanent potion that can't be dispelled though. Hell, you could have boken make like 6 potions for her (you ARE the king afterall), and she'll be a genius
11 months ago
Anonymous
But it won't be Valerie. It'll be the potionm the real Valerie will be cowering in the back of her mind
11 months ago
Anonymous
That bothered me about Boken's potion, if there was some lore explanation like it had some drawback or was limited to one per person then that's one thing. But what's to stop Boken or a group of Alchemists from making more of them and ascending to godhood? No matter how rare the ingredients or difficult the process there's always ways to circumvent that in a world with magic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>limited to one per person
It is. You can't stack buffs of the same effect.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>have
Not just her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Man those examples suck. They make 12-17 all sound just kinda smart, then 18-19 is genius, then 20-21 is suddenly just 'highly knowledgeable, PROBABLY the smartest person many people know'
I always thought with D&D 3.5/PF that the best ways of understanding stats was that the strongest human in the world has a strength of 19 (18 plus 1 growth, no real human is Lv.8 for two growth points), or the smartest person in the world has 19 intellect, etc. 20 and over is in superhuman territory
11 months ago
Anonymous
No.
11 months ago
Anonymous
to clarify, the smartest person in our real world, obviously in the world of 3.5/PF there are humans with stats over 20 and levels over 8.
11 months ago
Anonymous
so Arueshalae is a genius?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and Octavia as well somehow
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not among succubi. She is on the short bus
11 months ago
Anonymous
>18 INT
yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
She's been alive for thousands of years but that explains her WIS more than INT. That said, mythical creature stats like Demons are less about their own merit and more about the power they draw from, which can boost everything including mental ability. The same way an Angel can divine knowledge they never actually learned.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw my wife Valerie have the intellect of a troglodyte
Not sure if that's bad
well it's pretty much fricking over Valerie chads..
11 months ago
Anonymous
Galfrey has 11 INT. HOWEVER she's over a century old, so she gets a +2 age bonus to wisdom. Her natty INT is actually 9.
She would be an absolute sex fiend though with her 20 con and 29 charisma
11 months ago
Anonymous
what is about blonde girls and 9 int?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ditzy bimbos. Not truly moronic, but cutely dumb and scatterbrained.
Based WenduCHAD. I eagerly await your next playthrough where you'll try and justify why a lawful good paladin should be able to romance Camellia, and butcher innocents with her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no he hit an interrupt. His paragon playthrough is ruined
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nice to see I've mindbroken you so hard, that you have to create an imaginary scenario in your head to cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah bro, I'm just roleplaying that I'm watching your letsplay
11 months ago
Anonymous
So exactly what I said? Utterly mindbroken. Sad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
See, roleplaying isn't that hard. You can do it, buddy.
I play as a Lawful/ Chaotic Neutral character who changed Alignment mid game to show his character arc. like how my Hellknight guy got turned from LN to LG because i picked Angel and because i romanced Arue or my CN barbarian going full CE murderhobo as a demon midgame
i know that's why for Legend i want CE to CN redemption for my character
This man has never even looked at the alignment of his choices, he just did what his character would've done
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No nenio must die because she is a lolrandom annoyance. And in a real game would be played by your dms annoying gf
>This man has never even looked at the alignment of his choices,
no because my character still acted Lawful, it's just that he becomes more compassionate as the game goes on.
Kino. but i was Larping more as a self-interested guy who only started fighting demon because they are strong fighters and because the pay to kill them was good so CN was more appropriate imo
This man has never even looked at the alignment of his choices, he just did what his character would've done
But she's also not evil or particularly malicious so it's your duty as a rulecuck to tardwrangle the wizard and in return she can tell you how magic shit works and make demons explode.
No nenio must die because she is a lolrandom annoyance. And in a real game would be played by your dms annoying gf
>why would a Hellknight turn good?
because i RP him became more Compassionate and forgiving as the game goes on when he becomes angel? still killed Wenduag tho because she is evil and show no sign of changing
>why would a Hellknight turn good?
because i RP him became more Compassionate and forgiving as the game goes on when he becomes angel? still killed Wenduag tho because she is evil and show no sign of changing
Hellknights can be any lawful. Pic related is in their leadership and lawful good.
There's very few situations where a LG character would be at odds with Regill as he is presented. He subordinates himself to you as an officer and so you don't even have him executing people without your say so.
It can be. The scaling is moronic and your expected to know the system to play it, but owlcat is moronic and can only create difficult by adding extra ac on everything
I've done all three of those, anon.
>mindbroken by the supposed evil Aruegays
I like Arue well enough, but, yes, I do think most Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays. >The other one is the autist that keeps pretending to understand alignment nuance
You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid. >obsessed with moving the goalpost towards Arueshalae
Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu, while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done. There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival to Arue slaughtering and corrupting thousands of good and innocent people.
>You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid.
only if you are into Build autism otherwise you will hit a wall and than you will think the game is shit because you didn't stack buffs and other abilities beforehand
>every time nenio tries to interact with pretty much anyone, especially other scientists, they just insult her
she's backer content and I'm 90% sure owlkek hate her and that's why everyone constantly dunks on her
>she's backer content
source?
Pretty sure she came out of that ratfolk /kitsune /whatever pool
Ratfolk alchemist, maybe vivisectionist, would have worked much better
No, I'm a knight commander with a war to win.
I only indulge people I like, and Nenio pissed me off from the moment she opened her fricking mouth.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're a desperate nobody in a conquered city when you first meet her. You told a skilled arcane caster to frick off in a situation where you need literally all the help you can get simply because you didn't like her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
She was interviewing cultists. She was either a traitor or a moron.
Besides I'm all the caster we need
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yet I bet you still recruited ember, who is just as if not more insane than her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. Ember is easily led and rather sweet. Nenio is an annoying b***h.
Owlcat uploaded the entire reddit website into an character creation AI and the result was that thing
>every time nenio tries to interact with pretty much anyone, especially other scientists, they just insult her
she's backer content and I'm 90% sure owlkek hate her and that's why everyone constantly dunks on her
>find her >tell her to frick off and never recruit her
Feels good to escape the perfidious redditor.
I would frick human form Nenio.
I read about Nenio before starting the game and saw that she is widely disliked. From reading their comments I could see why. They made her out to be this super genius scientist who bends reality to make npcs stand her.
Now that I'm playing the game with her in my party I think they misunderstand what her deal is. First of all she has high intelligence, but isn't particularly "smart" about things. She's a terrible scientist, since she chooses to forget about "experiments" that didn't yield and interesting results. Also all her "experiments" are a joke to begin with, speaking as someone who has done work in science. Every NPC interacting with her confirms my views that she is a joke to real scientists, and at best she should be pitied.
I do sort of empathize with her. She doesn't seem to realize it, perhaps due to low wisdom, but what she actually wants is not to do science and catalogue all of Golarion. She just loves the idea of puzzles and solving them. The sad thing is that it's all she is. Someone who solves puzzles. She neither realizes or fully embraces this. So in a way she is a tragic character and I pity her.
He helps the little guy and uses angel powers to keep him alive until we get to a proper turtle environment . If I find out along the way that he did chaotic shit once, I destroy him with righteous fury
Reign of winter only has the evil ice wolf who you can frick, and jade regent has the heiress who is just there in case there is a weeb who wants to become emperor of not Japan.
Skulls has the pirate b***h, the violinist halfing, the widowed milf...
She's just a witch. Should been a changeling changelings are cute and can turn into hags like their mommas
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okay seriously, but why did she betray me? somehow Camellia and Arue(until you turn full lich or corrupt her) stays with me but she unironically betrayed me for Savamelkek. why would you betray a powerful lich who can animate demon generals into serving him?
You didn't make the right dialogue choice or go far enough in her romance. If she respects or fears you it's safe, if she loves you it's safe. You had neither
I took him with me, and I was a lawful good guy. Sometimes Law beats """"""good"""""" Always, if it's a good law
Sometimes you'll just have to disappoint him. Either way, he's not incompatible.
Reminder that him killing his own wounded was absolutely a mercy. Demons would not be so hyperfocused on capturing enemy troops unless what was being done to the prisoners was enough to literally make a hellknight squeamish.
No, Vellexia is a c**t and if you don't entertain her, she turns you into furniture. Why would a fricking demon adopt someone? Xorges' mom doesn't count
Don't take oyakodon porn as canon
It's just her current larp. Before that she was flying naked all over the place and grabbing random demons just to let them fall to their death for shits and giggles.
God I love this crazy succuhag.
Is Power Attack worth it on Dual Wield / Shield Bashing builds? The damage boost from power attack doesn't seem like it's worth it for the first 5-10 levels if you're not two handing imo, especially with the penalties to attack.
Reminder that according to PF rules, you can lift your maximum load (highest value in heavy load range) over your head. It's your max overhead press weight. STR 21 would be the real world highest human by those standards and you can calculate your own STR to a precision you can't with other stats
I don't like the way the characters suck your wiener in the final act, it feels too forced
yeah KC is a big deal but the way they write the praises is so cringe inducing
What I find is you need sosiel, lann, nenio, ember and seelah on an lg playthrough or you don't have enough buffs and nukes.
You can drop lann and sosiel for a cleric merc and then you have a float spot for arue, ulbrig or regill.
20 crusader cleric angel cakewalks the game once you get a good weapon and divine power+eaglesoul.
Moreso once frightful aspect and shatter defenses starts working.
You just need to merge the angel and cleric spellbooks when prompted.
What? You literally said you're using a cleric angel, combine that with angel's already broken buffs, you don't need another cleric, just a domain bot, mostly for guarded earth, that can be easily done by worshipping erastil
Sosiel and a cleric Lann are useless if you play angel
You need an absolute ton of crusaders edges, magic weapons, magic vestments, death wards, and freedom of movements.
Ember can cover death wards because 4 is a pretty dead level for her, but then there's the other stuff.
Missing nenio a lot. Her stormbolts/icy prison/phantasmal killer + weird is too strong.
But then if you just have ulbrig griffin charge the backline I suppose it can work.
Something I'll frequently do with nenio is quicken rod mass dimension door into stormbolts with devouring lust, and then it's just cleanup.
And until that point shes very handy for selective grease/web/sirocco.
Loremaster is really good, broken some would say. Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster are okay, Stalwart Defender is fine for dips, Mystic Theurge isn't great buts it's fun for an Angel/Lich/Legend.
Nenio is such an annoying piece of shit character. What a waste of a slot. You have to go out of your to make a shit character stand out among so many shit characters.
Imagine being a Wizard virgin who has to learn his magic instead of casting it because you were born with it. imagine being limited by slots and imagine not being able to turn into a Dragon and get cool new wings as you level up
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. A wizard has better DC, better spell progression, is skilled in everything because INT, can use meta magic without eating his move slot, more feats, can use all arcane spells (that includes dragonkind) and to top it off schools have better bonuses than bloodlines. Wizardbros are out there becoming immortal, ruling countries and using raw autism to ascend to divinity while Sorcs will always just be mongoloid products of nepotism and deviancy.
>you will never be a Spontaneous caster
Good, Why would I ever want worthless dogshit?
When you only have about 4 spells you want to cast, you would really prefer to be spont just to be able to spam them out. You reach a point where you're only casting sirocco, icy prison and phantasmal killer. Maybe a chain lightning but thats what stormlords are for.
Also here's some free tech for you.
Use the jade triceratops statue and ride it.
Better yet be a sylvan sorc and get a dog.
Spell slots don't really matter in a game that has free resting and abundant casting, I would still rather be a Wizard for Schools and feats. In Kingmaker there's more arguments for extra spell slots but even then Wizard has access to better gear in the game with like Evil INT staff.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You kinda dont want to rest often in wotr because buffing is a pain in the ass before you have greater enduring and cl 25/26.
What you want to do is full buff and then march through the whole map.
When you only have about 4 spells you want to cast, you would really prefer to be spont just to be able to spam them out. You reach a point where you're only casting sirocco, icy prison and phantasmal killer. Maybe a chain lightning but thats what stormlords are for.
Also here's some free tech for you.
Use the jade triceratops statue and ride it.
Better yet be a sylvan sorc and get a dog.
more relevant than you will ever be INT Nerd. now be a good little dog and wait until i am done with my Succubus and other outside babe harem.
>t. copings sorcucks
You will never have a true mastery of the arcane arts. You will never be capable of unleashing magic in all it's forms.
You will never be anything more than the bastard children of dragons and various outsiders.
>clericscucks >have to prostate themselves before a fake god and receive his powers. >Oraclechads >are chosen by a powerful divine entity to have innate Divine casting powers because of his Chad looks. doesn't even have to bow before any god whatsoever
>be rewarded for your dedication and devotion with a full list of divine magic and bonuses based on the aspect of you deity you choose to embody the most
vs >get literally cursed by some unknown entity that intends to manipulate you into doing it's bidding instead of being upfront about it's expectations All that said, divine magic isn't real magic anyway.
None of the fricking curses were implemented right. Having that curse in particular is supposed to make you seen as a literal fricking monster, with it being a constant social issue.
The stagger from powerless is also not supposed to be able to be negated by a fricking fourth level spell.
It's fun but definitely unfinished
I've been doing all the content in the beta, and I like it but I feel that there needs more doctrines and fleshing out of character's backstories mechanically to make the characters feel more unique
Melee fricks hard and Abelard is godly tank if you build him right.
Your hybrid characters are all adepts though since the fighter doctrine is all about that melee. Leaders are most effective when shouting at others to fight better.
The damage hoses in act 1 are useless by act 3 while the weakest teammates in act 1 are the strongest in act 3
I hate this cuz there's no respec, my full auto marksman build is worthless but sniper Pascal obliterates everything with Wild Hunt
I wish I could discuss Pillars of Eternity here but the threads instantly die. When they get replies it's just a bunch of people starting fandom wars between other crpgs like pathfinders and D:OS. The first game also doesn't have any fanart. The second one does but I didn't like it as much. I guess I'm just outnumbered when it comes to what people value in a CRPG.
The builds have a lot more depth and the games kinda expect you to know what you're doing if you're playing on anything above normal. On normal you may still get your ass kicked here and there, specially in kingmaker, but things will eventually click if you take your time and READ. Read the skills you're picking for your characters when you're leveling up, read your enemies stats and shit to know why you're missing everything or why spells don't work. Will-o'-wisps will absolutely rape you if you don't know they are weak to magic missile for example. Kingmaker also has as doomclock mechanic so you can potentially frick up your run permanently by not doing things fast enough.
so it would be very out of character for a lawful evil character going for demon to take regill along?
What companions work well with the demon run? Story and gameplay wise?
mfw Wenduag talks all that shit in the cave in Act 3, but my KC one shot her on the first turn of combat.
Tempted to just kill her now and be done with it.
>Devils >a cucked society with torment-based economy which makes Devils be an untrustworthy party >not a high IQ society with a mutually beneficial contracts-based economy which makes Devils a trustworthy party >Asmodeus and his devils are so pathetic they have to act like Black folk and corporate execs when it comes to dealing with others >Devil Path is the worst path in the game (if you can even call it a path)
The absolute state when an ecchi series bordering on hentai has more interesting Devils than a universe with "complex" lore.
They only make unfair deals with the stupid and weak. If you're actually powerful enough they will ensure the deals are completely fair. (still check the fine print though)
>here you go boy, 10 % more power, (stronger than humans) >now you will get raped in Hell for a while, then become a wagie for that gay Asmodeus for eternity, have fun
only a moron will sign a contract like that
>Cavalier >Charge some dipshit with a long spear >He explodes in a shower of blood and viscera >Repeat until victory >Regularly deal 100+ damage from charges
Demons talk a lotta shit until their impaled on the end of a lance.
Truly, Desna favors the Cavalry.
Indeed, but it's not just the appeal of her adult persona.
Both her forms are Kiss-Shot, but I consider her adult form to be her true form. When it comes to her as a person, her e-girl form and persona should be secondary to her actual form. So it's also "right" not only appealing to prefer the adult form.
If you ever intend to play kingmaker you should play it first for at least a little while.
Wotr spoils you a lot with mythic feats and generally just being a much better game with a better visuals, story, companions, and puzzles.
Crusade is somehow less of a pain in the ass than kingdom as well.
WotR has all spells/feats/etc. from KM, plus a lot more. If you're not familiar with the setting, I would play KM first, just so you spend less time reading shit everytime you level up.
Death to pre combat buffs, I like the game and all but having to rest everytime my X/minutes per level buffs run out is bullshit.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal if buffs were party wide but a lot of them are single target and even with multiple buffbots (skald, cleric, alchemist) you'll run out of spell slots after the second run of buffing.
Also, bonus types need to be consolidated better, competence, morale and luck attack bonuses are spread all the fricking classes with no thought whatsoever.
Bards are the kings of morale and competence boosts thanks to good hope being better than bless and heroism right and competence being rare as frick
But then comes wizard with heroic invocation (+4) and skald and cleric with lethal stance and even better guarded hearth shitting on bards.
>having to rest everytime my X/minutes per level buffs run out is bullshit
main reason why i just switched to story difficulty, i get no satisfaction from tedium, and if i have to do tedious shit just to get enjoyment out of one of the main gameplay elements, then it's bad design to me personally
Angel and demon have most content, followed by lich /azata/aeon
Swarm/ devil/ GD? See if the dlc is good first.
>I heard they were improving some of the mythic paths in upcoming patch/DLC. >See if the dlc is good first.
Do we even know which DLC is supposed to fix/expand the paths and when it's coming out?
>Commander. I understand we've just fought our way free from Baphomet's daughter, escaped the demon lord himself and escaped the abyss >Yes, I know we left your angel guide there after Baphomet tore his heart out >I'm aware that more time then any of us expected has passed. That the queen banished you unlawfully and has since undone all the good work you did stabilizing the region >But you NEED to go and see the rest of the hellknights RIGHT NOW. You're being put on trial for the sin of being unwittingly gifted power >Oh, also I've ordered my squire to break the hellknight laws again, under pain of death. I'd like you to execute him for breaking the rules I forced him to break
This manlet frick was tolerable up until he demonstrates a complete lack of common sense. One of the first things I need to do upon getting back is coddle some buttholes who refuse to play nice with everyone else? >inb4 wendugay
I've never welcomed either of the mongrels into my party or the crusade at large
A true LG in that scenario might rationalise that you need all the help you can get in your campaign and that Regill does more good than harm under the right influence.
Never played the game before. But can I recruit an entire party of racist humans and crusade against everything in the name of humanity?
Or is it just the case of "we must accept furries in our post apocalyptic medieval world".
You can hire mercenaries, but since they're not real characters they mightnt be racists.
And if you really want to go full crusade you need to at least have the Gnome with you.
You lead a party of Nigs, gays, Furries and Manlets yes.
Being racist against... Other humans? Stupid!
You can kill most monsters you come across, including recruitable party members, though you'll need to suffer a couple of story characters you just can't kill (but can shittalk). Original NPC with their personalities don't subscribe to humanity numba wan philosophy, but you can just hire mercs that you can fully customize (but they won't have personalities and in-game quest)
Shame about humanity puritism. As like, I understand WHY they wouldn't add an arc like that into the game as ppl could interperte that as justification of "real world" racism. But I think thats bs as people should be smart enough to know the difference in humanity as a whole collective seeking dominance in a world where they're getting absolutely shat on.
You can kill most monsters you come across, including recruitable party members, though you'll need to suffer a couple of story characters you just can't kill (but can shittalk). Original NPC with their personalities don't subscribe to humanity numba wan philosophy, but you can just hire mercs that you can fully customize (but they won't have personalities and in-game quest)
>fall asleep next to arue >wake up >she wrapped her arms around you, straddles your hips with one leg, and uses her chest as her pillow, her wings wrap you both like a blanket >watch her cute sleeping face until she wakes up and blushes because she didnt realize she crept on top of you in her sleep
>a holy man
Isn't it the task of a holy man to provide help and counsel to those in need and lost in life, which Arue is?
There's nothing wrong with courting a reformed succubus which is genuine in her desire to change.
>thats so cute
good thing I'm a souless butthole who serves asmodeus and am thus immune to it
this succubus is too cute bros. how do i as a Crusader cleric resist her?
because i am a holy man and it feels weird that i am courting her even the halrun guy ask me about it
[...] i secretly want too but the mission comes first
this power cannot be acquired by good you must join our side
have you not seen the Areelu lab scene anon. she wants to have that Fire inside your eyes and wants to own you secretly. than take you out to a candlight dinner [spoiler]where she will proceed to frick your brains out. it also involves a lot of claw marks on your back [/spoiler]
I've been playing the game nothing but as a fighter and I've heard that Oracle or Cleric is better for angel, how true is it? because i don't feel like i am doing tons of damage to the enemies even with some buffs like haste and prayer
the only thing good about Oracle angel is the spontaneous spell and being able to get weapon focus and greater WF and improved crit in one reva and wolf pet thanks to Nature mystery. Crusader is better imo. but you should try Oracle if you hate memorizing spells(slots based)
Buffs get pretty stupid.
A martial cleric is gonna be stacking divine power and eaglesoul with shatter defences and frightful aspect, and that gets you to full bab equivalent, auto confirming criticals, +10 strength, a ton of ac saves and hp, and everything is shaken and flat footed.
And thats before the other standard stuff like crusaders edge and magic weapon.
The real power is that merging the spellbook with angel gives you a cumulative caster level, so you're preparing angel spells in your cleric slots.
Like ward from harm communal and fortress of faith.
Guns in pf are a bit fricky since mundane firearms originate all the way down in the mana wastes. And then star guns which are actual magical tech firearms are from arcadia.
I figure they'll do a rollup of extinction curse, AV and agents since they're all set on kortos.
Would spears be beneficial to them in such a small room with +10 people fighting in it?
I'd expect them to have at least some magical/ranged capabilities, and I could see one or two of them have spears, but I don't see anything wrong with them using swords.
i don't know dick about fighting with weapons but wouldnt having your shield up and poking from range while the wizard throws fireballs be better than swinging your sword while surrounded?
>back to back pathfinder threads for nearly 5 years at this point getting to bump limits >nearly every other RPG series is forgotten in comparison
Funny how this series became Ganker's darling
pure coincidence, i went camp>queen>areelu's writings in Iz so she survived (but i did raise terendelev as my eternal slave guardian)
also i had no idea you could get ciar 🙁
i played LG paladin and often took him with me. it was ok
Whats a good class for trickster run??
Rogue or Bard because Trickster is the giga-skill monkey
Any crit focused class with a pet.
16 vivi 4 different 1 level dips it is then
Sanctified Slayer of Gorum (strength based with a Greatsword) domains are Strength and bonus Animal (gotta ride a Mastodon into battle).
Kitsune Sword Saint with an Estoc, get vulpine pounce, the crit feats and mobility 3 and just *rawr pounces on u >:3* every enemy while critting everything that stands in your way.
Get that stick rammed up your ass then go on a funtime adventure with a party of Seelah, Ember, Sosiel, Lann, and Nenio.
Nenio is dangerously insane, no LG rulecuck paladin would stand her
But she's also not evil or particularly malicious so it's your duty as a rulecuck to tardwrangle the wizard and in return she can tell you how magic shit works and make demons explode.
Regill is actually reasonable enough to take even if you're playing good, if only because he seems like he can control himself, he's not a moronic murderhobo, just an extremely ruthless lawtard
Then he starts with his shitty tests and that's when he gets more divisive
Still makes a million times more sense than Wenduag
Aeon redeem demons
he does more than Redeem Demons
Unironically the best Arue ending for Aeon. Still for True Aeon this ending doesn't happen.
pretty sure you can get this without going full Renegade
It doesn't even factor into it, only your choices in the aeon quests do.
Not really, true aeon can ascend
>Dick a demon so hard that she remains celibate and kills those who would try to sleep with her all because she fell in love and remembers a version of you that never existed
Nice.
>help demon girl to redeem herself only to give her confidence to live alone as independent famer 'helper'
owlcats know that we like
Time to stop posting Greybor
>He doesn't like tragedykino
gay
>>He doesn't like tragedykino
>gay
No, I don't enjoy the idea of a person remaining bound to the past just to entertain a homosexual like you.
How does he do it?
he don't pretend to care about them more than they deserve. he is a hardworking chad who only cares about his farm, house and future family. women secretly deep inside want to be farmer's wifes, rising kids and have simple happiness.
>Nice.
Yeah, how nice for a person to be bound for an (relative) eternity to a memory of you instead of finding their happiness.
What a healthy attitude. It's not like a loving partner would want their partner to be as happy as possible and are not self-centered enough to think that only they could ever bring them happiness and be their strength.
What else could be expected from a thin-skinned, selfish Gankerirgin with no self-confidence.
>word vomit
its her choice to remain loyal to the love she once had, everything else you wrote is a reach with the intent to elicit a specific type of response
>What else could be expected from a thin-skinned, selfish Gankerirgin with no self-confidence.
jeez, that's an even bigger reach lol
>its her choice to remain loyal to the love she once had
Considering that something romantic/good/nice is objectively wrong.
Living in the past is never a good thing. It's a sign of being unable to move on.
Also, there's a big difference between a human that might lose their spouse/lover after years/decades being in a loving relationships and then for a few more decades before dying, and an immortal succubus who can live for millennia.
I never blamed Arue for staying that way, even if I'd want to her to move on.
I meant morons like you. If you can't see how wrong it is to be happy about it then you're just self-absorbed homosexual.
>Also, there's a big difference between a human that might lose their spouse/lover after years/decades being in a loving relationships and then for a few more decades before dying, and an immortal succubus who can live for millennia.
or... get this... she experienced love and knows it's unlikely she'll experience that ever again with anyone in the abyss, given that as per game lore demons don't give a frick about each other
>I meant morons like you. If you can't see how wrong it is to be happy about it then you're just self-absorbed homosexual.
zero self-awareness, my guy, no need for such hard projection
i can tell something's eating at you that you need to take care of
>or... get this... she experienced love and knows it's unlikely she'll experience that ever again with anyone in the abyss, given that as per game lore demons don't give a frick about each other
Nice cope.
There's no reasons the ruler of Alushinyrra wouldn't be able to find herself a lover, given that we fricking have two lilitus in a literal /u/ relationship.
Even if that wasn't the case, Arue was able to find a lover on the surface. What stops her from finding a lover again?
Nothing, it's just a shitty excuse you just came up with.
>zero self-awareness, my guy, no need for such hard projection
Shitting on selfish homosexuals who want their lover to never find someone else even after their death because of how fragile their ego is, is not projection.
I bet you'd consider her finding happiness with someone else as getting NTR'd, you pathetic frick.
>Even if that wasn't the case, Arue was able to find a lover on the surface. What stops her from finding a lover again?
again, per lore demons are incredibly selfish and it's nearly impossible to find love in the abyss
given that, per game lore, she's at least a thousand years old (iirc) and her tales involve her describing about how she'd get degraded and how she'd degrade others, i find it understandable why she'd not pursue anything and look back on her memory of the first person she fell in love with
>Shitting on selfish homosexuals who want their lover to never find someone else even after their death because of how fragile their ego is, is not projection.
woah, woah, woah, i dont remember saying anything about not wanting her to move on? youre reaching and projecting again, my guy
i also think its pathetic youre this self-righteous in your attempt to put yourself above others because you think you know what others think, comes off as you're incredibly insecure
>I bet you'd consider her finding happiness with someone else as getting NTR'd, you pathetic frick.
the frick are you talking about, you reaching moron? either tone down your impotent hostility or i wont reply at all
>person
demons are not people. didn't read the rest
Wouldn't an Aeon push her back towards being a demon. A good demon is as abhorrent as an evil angel to an LN type.
If angels can fall, demons can ascend, it's not exactly unnatural. An aeon shouldn't give a shit about laws, only cosmic balance. Demons stay in the abyss, Azatas in Elysium
>Wouldn't an Aeon push her back towards being a demon
yes. at least this game's interpretation of them absolutely would. the "correct" aeon choice in chapter 4 for instance is to punish demons for trying to do good, because they're going against their nature.
Making her give up requires properly doing her questline which means gaining her trust and betraying her later, an Aeon wouldn't do that.
Aeons are being of absolutes; being stuck in a mortal body means it has to navigate morality. There's no absolute ''truth'' to how an Aeons would act in this case
Making her give up just requires you to do her questline and pick the "there's no escaping your nature" options. There's no betrayal.
>Befriend someone
>Help them on her quest instead of telling her to frick off (you should have killed her, or not allowed her to join you)
>Wait specifically until her self esteem hits rock bottom
>YWABAD
It's a betrayal of trust, especially for a LN character
someone
you don't have to befriend arueshalae to have her join or to do her questline.
Uh huh anon, someone who isn't friends with her would totally go around Drezen asking questions to the citizens or sidetracking their mission during the abyss to visit a cuck
Oh, and I forgot to mention, especially an Aeon
>you should have killed her, or not allowed her to join you
Says who? A lawful neutral character could very easily allow arueshalae to join the crusade as long as she proves useful, while still not trusting her on the grounds that she's a demon.
The monad
Technically the "correct" Aeon choice be to either kill or banish her back to the abyss the moment you met her.
You can't actually be called a proper Aeon until at least act 5 though.
an aeon would immediately put her ass back where it belongs. the player character is some sort of weird mortal-aeon abomination though, and she's literally fricking immortal for some god-forsaken reason. so yeah, the closest you can do in-game is tell her to stop trying to defy nature.
Demon abuse until she accepts her true nature.
What's she from?
Is she okay?
>Is she okay?
Definitely not. She gets killed.
anime?
Boku no piko
She is a demon though. They don't die when they are killed.
I think she's pretty dead, especially because this was the last we saw her.
Demons don't die when they are killed in Konosuba. Host is still alive. Just back in Hell. It is why he was only mildly perturbed. Arnes is alive too.
But Host said he had extra lives. I don't think Arnes did.
Host had extra lives because he is a demon. Arnes is still alive. Just trapped in hell until somebody summons her. And Komekko the most powerful demon summoner is not exactly going to summon her.
Literally built and made for marriage/handholding
Before or after being re-corrupted?
Another false equivalence from Wendugays. Regil is fine, and a pragmatic good character has no issue taking him a long.
Regil may be evil, but he's fighting for a righteous cause, and his intentions are very clearly pure. He is an extremist, but he's willing to bend the knee and follow your orders, meaning that he'll never put your good character in a situation that compromises their morality.
>Another false equivalence from Wendugays
It's like they know their waifu can't stand on her own so they have to bring up other characters that are vaguely similar to her to try and make her look good
Stop replying to yourself because you're sad that Wendu has the best romance in the game.
Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers and worships devils. Your imaginary lawful good autist KC wouldn't take him for all the Hellknights in the world.
You anti-wendu morons sure are autistic.
Guess you have to kill him, you won't be roleplaying unless you only pick options that align with your alignment after all
but i like the guy tho, why should i kill him?
because you have to act as your Alignment dictates, there can be no room for player agency except being a soulless Alignment automation
see
see
He's getting mindbroken again
False equivalence.
>Regill kills wounded soldiers in their stretchers
He explains why. His reasons were cold, but rooted in logic and for the greater good. Moreover, if you recruit him, he swears to follow all of your orders and not to defy you, because he respects you and the authority that you command.
>worships devils.
Nothingburger, unironically. There are even good hellknights.
Devil worship isn't even that bad in this setting, when compared to demon worship.
By the way, Regil doesn't worship the Devil, he worships the GODCLAW, which takes different aspects to follow from FIVE gods, four of which are good aligned (including Iomedae btw)
Stop arguing with them, seriously, they're moronic
Your arguments against recruiting Wenduag for her mongrel army are
>She has evil intentions.
Your argument for recruiting Regill for his Hellknight army is
>He has good intentions.
But I'd arguing that wanting all of society to be a dystopian nikghtmare world of devil-worshiping lawgays is pretty evil.
>By the way, Regil doesn't worship the Devil, he worships the GODCLAW, which takes different aspects to follow from FIVE gods, four of which are good aligned (including Iomedae btw)
Did you not get the secret ending?
>But I'd arguing that wanting all of society to be a dystopian nikghtmare world of devil-worshiping lawgays is pretty evil.
This is irrelevant. He's not attempting to do this at all. He's a man fighting against demons that want to murder everyone and then condemn their souls to the Abyss for all of eternity.
>Did you not get the secret ending?
I've seen it. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Yes, he goes to rule over hell. But there's nothing wrong with that. People CHOOSE to go to hell. Demons FORCE people to go the Abyss.
Hell in pathfinder is just a law aligned plane of the afterlife. It's =/= to the Judeo-Christian interpretation of Hell
>It's =/= to the Judeo-Christian interpretation of Hell
It kind of is, though not really from the Bible itself.
>It kind of is, though not really from the Bible itself.
>It kind of is
Not really, no. An individual chooses to go to hell. A devil can't force you to go to hell, you have to sign away your soul to them. In Judeo-Christian interpretations, simply living a life of sin alone is enough to go to hell
Hell in Pathfinder is based on Judeo-Christian fanfiction that sprung up in the millennia following the Bible. Stuff like
>devil having goat features
>devil ruling hell
>devil sitting on your shoulder, tempting you and offering contracts for your soul
>hell being made of ironic punishments
Granted that last one is also present in Greek mythology as well.
Its also separated like territory in a mad max movie
the plot twist in Christian cannon is that Lucifer never stopped serving the lawful God. He punishes people because God had to give that job to someone. He NEEDS to play the part of bad guy and follow this law
>the plot twist in Christian cannon is that Lucifer never stopped serving the lawful God
citations needed.
If you're referring to the book of Job:
the israelites believed satan and lucifier were different entities. Satan was believed to be mankind's adversary and a judge, while Lucifier was the one associated with hell
as an LG God in the secret ending I genuinely like that Regill went to hell to put devils into shape, is not like he would boss around your turf or heaven. Is pretty hilarious to imagine he slapping his gigantic gnome wiener in Asmodeus table and saying "clean your room"
Oh yeah, that was great. And anything that helps further Regill's dreams of the armies of order laying waste to the Abyss is automatically righteous.
Killing Regill for no other reason than "he is evil" would be the epitome of lawful stupid.
Not if it says [lawful good] then it's the only way to roleplay
Is this the thread where we eventually have 826847 posts about how X alignment is not actually this and is actually that..?
Best companion. His eternal anger always makes me laugh.
BLEACHED
YWNBARP
The frick does RP stand for?
>Trickster KC is such a bro he reverses Regill's bleaching
The trickster KC would force people to roleplay according to their opposite alignment after genderswaping them for uh...laughs
Remember, succubi and incubi are one and the same. Their origin in myth comes from priests making up a bullshit story of shape changing, semen stealing Demons to explain to angry farmer sneed why his wife's son looks exactly like friar chuck
Which means all succubus hentai is gay ntr, since they'll turn in a man to plant your seed in some random b***h
>Remember, succubi and incubi are one and the same.
Jokes on you, this is my kink. Also, having someone lure me into sex to extract my seed and then proceed to impregnate some random woman with my seed is very hot.
That's like saying all werewolves are shit because they are based on plebs getting high from mold infested bred and seeing dirty, unwashed crazy guys with body hair.
99% of all succubi in function nowadays do not ever shift into a male and/or use semen gathered to impregnate females, especially as they consume the semen themselves.
Regill is actually LN not LE and no amount of homosexualry will convince me otherwise. No LE would choose a demotion in rank to reconcile people to fight for the common good
It'd what his character would do, chud
he is LE because he is ruthless and unforgiving. Worldwound would even turn a lawful good Hellknight(yes they do exist) into a Lawful Evil murderhobo
The hellknights have several orders with differing alignments
by that logic Lann is LE too, have you seen how much he suggests executions and imprisonments at the crusade table? I reckon more than Regill
Writers just don't care same as with the chaotic good paladin companion.
They would if that decision led to them being able to harm others in a lawful and organized way or they can see a believable way for them to harm others in such a way in the future.
>two bump-limit threads in the same day
>it will happen again with this one
I thought CRPG was a niche genre.
It's the consequences of an autist refusing to understand there are more choice besides blue or red
Neutral evil leaning lawful.
>It's the consequences of an autist refusing to understand there are more choice besides blue or red
You're a fricking moron who has resorted to straw mans and moving the goal post, because you're fricking ass btfo in the previous thread. So now you're acting like a passive aggressive litte b***h, because your pee sized brain can't fathom the idea that you were wrong
Do you really not get that there's like four or five people arguing against you? You're literally the only recognizable person here, because you say the same thing over and over again. It's sad.
>Do you really not get that there's like four or five people arguing against you?
I don't care if there's five mentally ill wendugays in this thread, I'll take you all on, because you're all fricking moronic and need to be schooled
it's three.
One is you, you're the guy who once got mindbroken by the supposed evil Aruegays and had a melty like this one.
The other one is the autist that keeps pretending to understand alignment nuance (he doesn't).
And the other one is one autist that always types in lowercase letters, obsessed with moving the goalpost towards Arueshalae.
I can read you like a book bro.
I've done all three of those, anon.
>mindbroken by the supposed evil Aruegays
I like Arue well enough, but, yes, I do think most Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays.
>The other one is the autist that keeps pretending to understand alignment nuance
You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid.
>obsessed with moving the goalpost towards Arueshalae
Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu, while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done. There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival to Arue slaughtering and corrupting thousands of good and innocent people.
>There's literally no comparing Wendu bending the knee for her own survival
Man, I don't even need to write
>Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays.
Why would I be jealous of who you romanced in a video game?
>not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid.
This...has nothing to do with Lawful Stupid. It has everything to do with you playing an evil character, while trying to claim that they're good
>Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu
Yes. Because her crimes are numerous, and she shows no remorse or regret for her actions. And simply siding with her means you'll have to let her get away with a laundry list of crimes.
>while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done
Arue shows remorse. Arue is on the path to redemption. Arue has been helping the crusades since before the game even fricking started. Arue is so good that a good diety fricking vouches for her.
>I do think most Wendu haters are jealous Aruegays
Wenduag's romance is written liek shit, the last thing I would be is jealous of it.
>You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid
It has nothing to do with being lawful, but with being good. CG and NG wouldn't put up with her shit either.
>Well it is hypocritical that you pile on Wendu, while ignoring all the horrible shit Arue admits to have done
I don't ignore anything, if she said that she was wrong and tried to repent then it would be fine, instead, she doubles down on her evil idiocy while the game still expects me to keep forgiving her and putting up with her so that I can "fix" her.
>Wenduag's romance is written liek shit, the last thing I would be is jealous of it.
No one who's played both romances can possibly think Arue's is better or even close to being as good as Wendu's. You can like Arue better, but her romance is terrible.
>she doubles down on her evil idiocy while the game still expects me to keep forgiving her and putting up with her so that I can "fix" her
Except for the Dyra murder, which is pushing it, her romance questline gives you a good explanation for everything she does or outright subverts it.
>her romance questline gives you a good explanation for everything she does
It doesn't. And the flimsy reasons for why she does take too long to appear within the story.
No good character is going to forgive Wendu for her crimes against the mongrel people.
No good guy is going to lie on Lann and slander his name so that he can recruit Wendu.
No good guy is going to look the other way and let Wendu getting away with butchering three innocent people while under your watch.
You wanna know what an ACTUAL lawful character would do if they encountered Wendu?
?t=52
Fricking execute her.
>No good character is going to forgive Wendu for her crimes against the mongrel people.
It's not like she had a choice, and she did legitimately want to make her people stronger.
>No good guy is going to lie on Lann and slander his name so that he can recruit Wendu.
The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people. The second time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's the best for the crusade. Seems pretty reasonable.
>No good guy is going to look the other way and let Wendu getting away with butchering three innocent people while under your watch.
It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead. Those soldiers may not have deserved to die, but they weren't innocent, either.
>Robb Stark
Robb didn't execute him because MUH INNOCENT CHILDREN WERE KILLED. He executed him because he challenged his authority. Karstark directly went against his orders, and his soldiers wouldn't have respected him had he done any different.
>It's not like she had a choice
She literally did, see
>The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people
You're right, too bad it's all a lie, and that she was just covering up Savamelekh and Hosilla's plan (and was planning on killing you at that)
>The second time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's the best for the crusade
You're not a good character. Seethe cope and dilate all you want, no sane good character would want to fricking do that, fricking LANN a lawful neutral ruthless butthole doesn't want that.
>It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead
A drunken brawl that ended with Wenduag boasting to everyone that she gets a free pass, a drunken brawl that expects you to frick her after she starts pushing the "le punish me master >:)" meme, absolutely ridiculous.
>and she did legitimately want to make her people stronger.
Irrelevant. What she did was heinous. And being "misguided" isn't a fricking excuse. Are you going to go and defend those mentally ill people who shoot up public places, harming dozens of people? No.
>The first time you lie it's because Wendu convinces you it's for the best for her people.
Totally! Yep! Lie on the righteous man, so Wendu can continue to sacrifice her people to demons! How heroic! What a true HERO you are. Oh, how you just radiate goodness!
>b-but Wendu doesn't actually turn them into demons unless you let her
Your good character has no way of knowing that. You're letting her get away with a laundry list of crimes, so that she can do more crimes, because ????
>It was a drunken brawl that left two soldiers dead.
Wendu started it. Wendu murdered them. Wendu expressed no remorse for her actions and bragged to everyone present that she regretted nothing.
>MUH INNOCENT CHILDREN WERE KILLED.
Quite literally why he executed them.
>He executed him because he challenged his authority
moronic take. If he were executing his lords for disobeying him. Then he would've executed Lord Tully for disobeying his orders and fumbling his plan to capture the mountain. And he would've executed or demoted Lord Bolton for sacrificing his men in sieges that he didn't even approve.
I can't believe you homosexuals are putting this much effort in this discussion, but then again I know exactly where I am, carry on
>Heh.... why are you putting so much effort into this? autist?
>He says while conveniently replying to the anti-Wenduaggay post but not the pro-Wendu ones
You're not fooling anyone man.
anon I really don't care about wenduag, since I killed her. I just don't think it's worth arguing that much about it, you are not going to convince the CE or NE people who romanced her that they shouldn't
>What she did was heinous
She let the demons make her people stronger. In her mind, it was a chance for them to seize the future. It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be.
>Your good character has no way of knowing that.
Your character can think to himself, "I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff, but I'm down for her bringing her people to the surface to serve under me." And she delivers on her promise.
>Wendu started it
They were talking shit about their commander (you).
You know she's still planning to betray you at that point in act 3 right, I wouldn't take anything she says as truth, the troops love you
She never outright wanted to betray you. She hates Savamalekh and wants to be out from under his thumb as well.
>She never outright wanted to betray you.
She's literally only hanging out with you because she thinks you're stronger. She jumps from leader to leader, depending on who she thinks is stronger, with zero sense of loyalty.
Chief Sull -> Hostilla and Savamelekh -> (you) -> Savamelekh
b***h would probably backstab you for Deskaris if he accepted her.
>It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be.
>forced cannibalism isn't heinous
>damning your soul to the abyss isn't heinous
>forcing people to partake in a ritual with a high chance of insanity isn't henious
>murdering the people (some of which are literal CHILDREN) who refuse to participate isn't heinous
>lying and slandering Lann's name after he catches you redhanded isn't heinous
>murdering Dyra because knows how fricking vile you are isn't heinous
>"I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff
By lying on a rightoeus man?
By overlooking all of what I listed above?
What good character is going to do that?! None.
>And she delivers on her promise.
...after murdering three innocent people
>They were talking shit about their commander (you).
And? That doesn't give you the right to MURDER them.
Wendu doesn't live in a fairy tale world. Her people are literally cursed, mutant cave dwellers who live by eating bugs. The only future for them is to become even stronger than they already are and earn their place through might. You're trying to judge her by your moral standards, not taking into account her culture and circumstances.
No sane mongrel would want to be Savamelekh's b***h, they literally only do the cannibal ritual because the alternative is death
>You're trying to judge her by your moral standards
Clearly, the other mongrels are wrong. Lann is wrong, Sull is wrong, Dyra is wrong, all of them are wrong, only she can be right, because her dad died
Wendu's right because she is strong and really did lead the neathers into a better future, where they will have their own land and be respected for their prowess, if nothing else.
The mongrels succeed because you pull out your dick and save everyone, killing Savamelekh
Here's the main difference though, Lann doesn't force them to become crazy cannibals, he doesn't go around getting his own people killed
Lann also doesn't have a realistic understanding of the challenges they'll face in the future. Wendu, meanwhile, does.
>She let the demons make her people stronger. In her mind, it was a chance for them to seize the future. It's not as heinous as you're making it out to be
It absolutely is, any normal person would realize how fricking evil it is, and Wenduag even goes on step above that and mocks those who died because they weren't strong enough
>Your character can think to himself, "I'm going to nix the flesh-eating stuff, but I'm down for her bringing her people to the surface to serve under me."
Wenduag joins you under the promise of giving you a cannibal army, the game allows you to backpedal in act 3, but right then and there in the prologue? Yes, you accept
>They were talking shit about their commander (you)
You're right, when someone says means things about the commander, the correct course of action is to kill them, the boast that you killed them and that you'll get away with it, only for the supposedly good commander to do just that, yup
what's so good about Wenduag romance? i did it as a Lich and she end up betraying me because ???
Nothing. He's just a mentally insane Wendugay who's been shilling his waifu for the last few hours.
You'd have killed her in the end anyways. Lich gets nopussy., bussy, or dick
okay seriously, but why did she betray me? somehow Camellia and Arue(until you turn full lich or corrupt her) stays with me but she unironically betrayed me for Savamelkek. why would you betray a powerful lich who can animate demon generals into serving him?
homie YOU. GOT. NO. DICK
No woman, freak or not will want your ass
because you are a Lich and you smell
well to be fair who can blame her after only getting a wiener made of bones
It's robust. There are a lot of different activities. You get to sleep with her, yes, but you also
>playfully spar with her
>learn about her past
>have drunken conversations about life and loyalty
>play detective and figure out what she's doing
>humiliate her in public
>stay one step ahead of her
>break through her tough exterior to see what she's really like underneath
>help redeem her and her tribe
And you know what you're rewarded with? The most romantic scene in either game, where she cries over your comatose body after you ingest the poison. No other romance has a scene like that. It's legitimately heartfelt and touching.
>The most romantic scene in either game, where she cries over your comatose body after you ingest the poison
Can you imagine a Camgay writing
>How does that end? With Camellia stabbing you to death, so romantic
Or an Aruegay writing
>How does that end? With Arueshalae level draining you to death, so romantic
Wenduag's scene ends with the two of you becoming soulmates and her promising to be a better person.
After she fricking poisoned you, almost got you killed, all under the logic of
>NOOOOO YOU WILL NEVER BE LIKE ME! YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND! YOU NEED TO INJECT THIS POTENTIALLY LETHAL POISON MY LOVE!
>and her promising to be a better person
Wow... it only took accepting her plans to turn the mongrels into cannibals, her killing two soldiers, and Dyra, but we did it!
And then you learn that Wendu has always been fighting an uphill battle: that poison basically makes you want to be evil, and both of you have to fight hard to resist.
Ah there it is, the usual "the poison did it" poison that Wenduag already overcame in act 4
Also remember that part after taking the poison that Lann started acting more evil?
>poison that Wenduag already overcame in act 4
Anon... When she disappeared after her quest she wasn't out partying..
>Lann
He's a half mongrel and a monk at that. Of course it doesn't as much of an effect on him.
>Anon... When she disappeared after her quest she wasn't out partying
Yes, she goes with Savamelekh, here is the thing though, there is no poison influence here, she is genuinely betraying you right here, and this is the part where you tell her that you KNOW what she is doing which is another respect flag
But that makes no sense if you're romancing her, because she has no intention of betraying you to begin with
>there is no poison influence here
Yes, there very much is. He has influence over every mongrel by default, and her having cannibalized makes his influence is even stronger.
But somehow, Lann never had to resort to the same villainy that Wendu did to survive. Really makes you think.
Cause he got enough protein serving as a catamite to the older mongrelmen
Lann is most definitely a stronger person than she is yes.
No, there is not. She's not affected there, she's not affected in act 5, she betrays Savamelekh there with absolutely zero effort, she gets over it during her act 4 quest after you pass a skill check, frick's sake pay attention.
And Wendu, knowing this, made you drink it. How romantic!
When do you spar with her, I don't remember that, also half of that list is related to her respect counter and not exclusive to the romance
>also half of that list is related to her respect counter and not exclusive to the romance
If you ignored the non-romance-exclusive content for Arue, she wouldn't have a romance at all.
>When do you spar with her
Chapter 4, as I recall.
Let me see
>Areelu's lab camp scene
>Wintersun camp scene
>Jail quest
>Brothel scene
>Beggar scene
>Romance only dream quest
>Final quest and redemption
Plus
>Vellexia scene (doesn't give points or anything, but it's there)
>Demon scenes, both pre and post transformation
Nah, stop talking out of your ass
's lab camp scene
"COMMANDER I'M SORRY YOU SORRY MY EVIL THOUGHTS I'M SO EVIL PLEASE REJECT ME"
>Wintersun camp scene
"COMMANDER I'M SO EVIL MAYBE I'M JUST IMAGINING MY REDEMPTION"
>>Jail quest
"COMMANDER I THINK SO MANY EVIL THOUGHTS WHEN I'M AROUND YOU I HAVE TO GO TO JAIL FOR YOUR SAFETY"
scene
"NOOOO DON'T REMIND ME OF MY EVIL PAST I'M SUCH A FILTHY PERSON COMMANDER TASUKETE"
scene
i'll give you this one
only dream quest
"TEEHEE COMMANDER COME LOOK AT MY DREAMS OH NO MY EVIL PAST HAS CAUGHT UP TO ME I DON'T DESERVE TO DREAM BECAUSE I'M SO EVIL AND FILTHY"
quest and redemption
"NOOOO COMMANDER I'M EVIL AND FILTHY AND DESERVE TO BE UNHAPPY OH WAIT DESNA SAID IT'S OKAY SO I LOVE YOU"
>Talking about the number of romance related events
>Starts seething about the content of them
I'm not even going to bother proving you wrong, you're defending this
mess
>content
Yup, content, and it doesn't contradict itself with one exception, a million times better than Wenduag's entire romance being a contradiction.
Having the same conversation with Arue ten times is not content.
I agree, but it's a good thing that doesn't happen
>it doesn't have content
>okay it does but it's the same in my head
Wendutards are beyond moronic
>no other romance does that
are we going to ignore or forget Arue legend scene? or how she will literally proclaim her love for you in front of everyone and even lower the will save for the profane gift. and this happens in main event btw, not in some side quest.
>No one who's played both romances can possibly think Arue's is better or even close to being as good as Wendu's
It's written like shit, picking her over Lann is dumb, rewarding her with sex after she kill those guys and gleefully boasts to everyone that she'll get a free pass is dumb (and no it's not justified) giving her a free pass after she kills Dyra is dumb, watching her act like a bipolar schizo that constantly goes from loving you to wanting to betray you is dumb, all of this for such an obvious Viconia clone, that was written with being good in mind, so you can come in with your righteous dick and "fix" her, despite how little fricking sense it makes, it's terrible.
That's why you make sure your character has 8 or less int and wis to make it in character
No. You need 3 int imo. To romancer her as a goodgay, you need to start with 5 int, then immediately run to kenaberes and have your intelligence drained until it's 3.
Clearly you need 3 int or 20+ int and wis to truly romance wendydo
>tfw my wife Valerie have the intellect of a troglodyte
Not sure if that's bad
It just means your children will be simple folk
girls are cute when they're moronic
Valerie bros.. not like this
You'll have to house train your wife, keep her chained when she is in heat and before she's socialized so she doesn't eat the mail man. And she'll never learn how to use silverware
Just give her Boken's +2 to every stat potion, and she'll have average intelligence.
Imagine her confusion as her intellect fades and her eyes turn dull and glassy once again
It's a permanent potion that can't be dispelled though. Hell, you could have boken make like 6 potions for her (you ARE the king afterall), and she'll be a genius
But it won't be Valerie. It'll be the potionm the real Valerie will be cowering in the back of her mind
That bothered me about Boken's potion, if there was some lore explanation like it had some drawback or was limited to one per person then that's one thing. But what's to stop Boken or a group of Alchemists from making more of them and ascending to godhood? No matter how rare the ingredients or difficult the process there's always ways to circumvent that in a world with magic.
>limited to one per person
It is. You can't stack buffs of the same effect.
>have
Not just her.
Man those examples suck. They make 12-17 all sound just kinda smart, then 18-19 is genius, then 20-21 is suddenly just 'highly knowledgeable, PROBABLY the smartest person many people know'
I always thought with D&D 3.5/PF that the best ways of understanding stats was that the strongest human in the world has a strength of 19 (18 plus 1 growth, no real human is Lv.8 for two growth points), or the smartest person in the world has 19 intellect, etc. 20 and over is in superhuman territory
No.
to clarify, the smartest person in our real world, obviously in the world of 3.5/PF there are humans with stats over 20 and levels over 8.
so Arueshalae is a genius?
Yes, and Octavia as well somehow
Not among succubi. She is on the short bus
>18 INT
yes.
She's been alive for thousands of years but that explains her WIS more than INT. That said, mythical creature stats like Demons are less about their own merit and more about the power they draw from, which can boost everything including mental ability. The same way an Angel can divine knowledge they never actually learned.
well it's pretty much fricking over Valerie chads..
Galfrey has 11 INT. HOWEVER she's over a century old, so she gets a +2 age bonus to wisdom. Her natty INT is actually 9.
She would be an absolute sex fiend though with her 20 con and 29 charisma
what is about blonde girls and 9 int?
Ditzy bimbos. Not truly moronic, but cutely dumb and scatterbrained.
>bonus to wisdom.
*wisdom and int
Behold, the effects of mass effect brain rot. It prevents the afflicted from actually roleplaying in any other game
You're not roleplaying, moron
+2 renegade points
Based WenduCHAD. I eagerly await your next playthrough where you'll try and justify why a lawful good paladin should be able to romance Camellia, and butcher innocents with her.
Oh no he hit an interrupt. His paragon playthrough is ruined
Nice to see I've mindbroken you so hard, that you have to create an imaginary scenario in your head to cope.
Nah bro, I'm just roleplaying that I'm watching your letsplay
So exactly what I said? Utterly mindbroken. Sad.
See, roleplaying isn't that hard. You can do it, buddy.
never doubt the concentrated amount of autism that alignment discussion can have
Us Kc fan will do literally anything to not play the game
*Oc
frick I fat fingered too soon again
what alignment is this?
Source?
You don't want to know. It's shit
>words words words
Left can't meme.
she do be making sense doe
Be a good person
i will Ember, I will.
Regill will be your best bro if you just pick all the Lawful options, he doesn't care if you wanna be a goody two shoes while you're at it too
Fun thing about roleplaying is you can do anything you imagine. Even romance Regil
I play as a Lawful/ Chaotic Neutral character who changed Alignment mid game to show his character arc. like how my Hellknight guy got turned from LN to LG because i picked Angel and because i romanced Arue or my CN barbarian going full CE murderhobo as a demon midgame
Peak redemption is Demon into legend with Arue romance
i know that's why for Legend i want CE to CN redemption for my character
>This man has never even looked at the alignment of his choices,
no because my character still acted Lawful, it's just that he becomes more compassionate as the game goes on.
I think CN into CG is better. Character is seduced by the power of the abyss but ultimately rejects it for love.
Kino. but i was Larping more as a self-interested guy who only started fighting demon because they are strong fighters and because the pay to kill them was good so CN was more appropriate imo
This man has never even looked at the alignment of his choices, he just did what his character would've done
No nenio must die because she is a lolrandom annoyance. And in a real game would be played by your dms annoying gf
i kneel Rolplaying anon
why would a Hellknight turn good? i thought they drill into their head that being good is a weakness and strays you farther from your duties
Nah, they have some good aligned hellknights, the mostly care about following orders not if you wash your hands or not after taking a shit
>why would a Hellknight turn good?
because i RP him became more Compassionate and forgiving as the game goes on when he becomes angel? still killed Wenduag tho because she is evil and show no sign of changing
Hellknights can be any lawful. Pic related is in their leadership and lawful good.
before anyone asks, of course I would
sex with hellknights centaurs
h-hot
There's very few situations where a LG character would be at odds with Regill as he is presented. He subordinates himself to you as an officer and so you don't even have him executing people without your say so.
Is this game good? I won a free copy from an anon the other day. I don't really like dungeons and dragons cringe.
It can be. The scaling is moronic and your expected to know the system to play it, but owlcat is moronic and can only create difficult by adding extra ac on everything
>You're the ones who keep saying "MUH LAWFUL GOOD HERO WOULD NEVER DO THIS," not realizing that not everyone's LG character is lawful stupid.
Preach
if you don't like dnd than I can't see you enjoying this, if anything is like dnd but a little more complex
No. Pathfinder is just a split of 3.5, polished a bit, then made moronic again by owlcats moronic balancing
only if you are into Build autism otherwise you will hit a wall and than you will think the game is shit because you didn't stack buffs and other abilities beforehand
Anyone whose played tabletop with a single dm with any fangs would know to buff up before a fight, never during.
i hate homosexuals because they are disgusting
just finished my first playthrough
Apparently I locked myself out of the secret ending because I killed the stupid fricking suture
Regill isn't even evil
He doesn't call his grandmother
What your KC do if he saw a turtle flipped over onto its back in the desert, that will die if it doesn't get help.
help him because all life is precious and worth protecting
Except Nenio
Not being able to sleep with Nenio and wake up with her fluffy tail wrapped around you is the worst sin the devs committed.
Owlcat uploaded the entire reddit website into an character creation AI and the result was that thing
>every time nenio tries to interact with pretty much anyone, especially other scientists, they just insult her
she's backer content and I'm 90% sure owlkek hate her and that's why everyone constantly dunks on her
At least she isn't a ratfolk. Skaven gays are the worst breed of furry
>she's backer content
source?
Pretty sure she came out of that ratfolk /kitsune /whatever pool
Ratfolk alchemist, maybe vivisectionist, would have worked much better
>find her
>tell her to frick off and never recruit her
Feels good to escape the perfidious redditor.
you aren't real pathfinder.
No, I'm a knight commander with a war to win.
I only indulge people I like, and Nenio pissed me off from the moment she opened her fricking mouth.
You're a desperate nobody in a conquered city when you first meet her. You told a skilled arcane caster to frick off in a situation where you need literally all the help you can get simply because you didn't like her.
She was interviewing cultists. She was either a traitor or a moron.
Besides I'm all the caster we need
Yet I bet you still recruited ember, who is just as if not more insane than her.
Yes. Ember is easily led and rather sweet. Nenio is an annoying b***h.
I would frick human form Nenio.
I read about Nenio before starting the game and saw that she is widely disliked. From reading their comments I could see why. They made her out to be this super genius scientist who bends reality to make npcs stand her.
Now that I'm playing the game with her in my party I think they misunderstand what her deal is. First of all she has high intelligence, but isn't particularly "smart" about things. She's a terrible scientist, since she chooses to forget about "experiments" that didn't yield and interesting results. Also all her "experiments" are a joke to begin with, speaking as someone who has done work in science. Every NPC interacting with her confirms my views that she is a joke to real scientists, and at best she should be pitied.
I do sort of empathize with her. She doesn't seem to realize it, perhaps due to low wisdom, but what she actually wants is not to do science and catalogue all of Golarion. She just loves the idea of puzzles and solving them. The sad thing is that it's all she is. Someone who solves puzzles. She neither realizes or fully embraces this. So in a way she is a tragic character and I pity her.
tl;dr: She is a pitiful intelligent fool.
Nenio is just Sheldon Cooper in a fursuit. Absolutely awful 1 note character.
He helps the little guy and uses angel powers to keep him alive until we get to a proper turtle environment . If I find out along the way that he did chaotic shit once, I destroy him with righteous fury
(Attack)(Evil) "I don't like you, die!"
I almost never picked evil options on my lich playthrough because of this, evil is portrayed as a cartoon villain
make delicious turtle soup
I want a skulls and shackles game dammit. It has some choice waifus. And Mr plug
if you want Waifus than wouldn't Reign of winter or Jade regent be better
Reign of winter only has the evil ice wolf who you can frick, and jade regent has the heiress who is just there in case there is a weeb who wants to become emperor of not Japan.
Skulls has the pirate b***h, the violinist halfing, the widowed milf...
How do you explain Ember? She clearly has some supernatural godlike shit going on right?
writer's pet. she breaks Canon more than once so they can showcase her mary-sue powers
She has the supernatural ownership of my heart and love and I would die for her. Theres your explanation nerd
She's just a witch. Should been a changeling changelings are cute and can turn into hags like their mommas
You didn't make the right dialogue choice or go far enough in her romance. If she respects or fears you it's safe, if she loves you it's safe. You had neither
yeah, she has a fricking crow on her shoulder who is from a a demi god in Heaven
>Ember is stronger Daeran
oh no Daeran, we lost again
>my KC has over 60 STR
fricking hell, i could lift anything
I took him with me, and I was a lawful good guy. Sometimes Law beats """"""good""""""
Always, if it's a good law
Sometimes you'll just have to disappoint him. Either way, he's not incompatible.
Everyone loves Ember.
Especially roasted and basted
my head between Ember's burnt thighs
what is the age of consent in mendev?
110
>short lived races can only procreate by rape
wtf I love mendev now
Wendu has 5 Charisma by the way
>20-21
>Kraken
>life of the party
I'd love to see it
Reminder that him killing his own wounded was absolutely a mercy. Demons would not be so hyperfocused on capturing enemy troops unless what was being done to the prisoners was enough to literally make a hellknight squeamish.
Demonic Oyakadon with Arue and Vallexia
is that's Vallexia? i didn't know she was a blonde because i didn't focus on her character model that much
yes. she actually took Arue under her wings and raised her in her mansion
My oldhag mistress so cute and young
>young
It's in the name, old hag.
why isn't her Armpits covered up?
Easy access
Succubus phermones and because KC is a armpitgay
breed all Succubus
roasties
Would cum on her cleavage
Would cum on her armpit
Both of them when i show them my Dick of Heaven
Demon only, angel boy.
demon is an option for white straight males while angel for non straight queers.
>she actually took Arue under her wings and raised her in her mansion
so is she kinda like her Step-mom?
No, Vellexia is a c**t and if you don't entertain her, she turns you into furniture. Why would a fricking demon adopt someone? Xorges' mom doesn't count
Don't take oyakodon porn as canon
It's just her current larp. Before that she was flying naked all over the place and grabbing random demons just to let them fall to their death for shits and giggles.
God I love this crazy succuhag.
if you want to. the game really doesn't go that far into their relationship t.bh
Stop arguing about Wenduag and start focusing on the fact if we threw a party, Valerie would have to sit at the troglodyte's table
Does Valerie know how to write or do math? Does she understand the concept of death
Is Power Attack worth it on Dual Wield / Shield Bashing builds? The damage boost from power attack doesn't seem like it's worth it for the first 5-10 levels if you're not two handing imo, especially with the penalties to attack.
Just finished the game. Every single ending text fricking sucked. I feel nothing.
Show other stat table so we can laugh at other party members
Daeran has 7 strength
Ember has 9
Nenio has 5
Tristian has 9
>Ember is more stronger than even Daeran
the fuk
He's a twink
>Ember could beat the shit out of degenerate gay in a fist fight
Love to see it
>TT Arue will literally break the bed and the ceiling due to her 20 STR
nice.
>Nenio is weaker than a fricking pixie
Imagine carrying her around the house looking for things to frick her on while she rambles science facts
>a common elephant is stronger than almost any being
show DEX table now
Con and wis to
>wis
Julibos and Regongar have 8
Nok Nok has 9
Camellia has 16 somehow
Wendu, Greybor, and Nenio have 12
Arue has 14
Ember and Regil both have 13
>Con
Valerie has 19
Regil and Amiri have 16
Camellia, Lann, Sosiel, Greybor, Wendu, and Seelah have 14
Octavia has 8
Jaethal and Tristan have 10
>able to stay awake for days on end
>troglodyte int
Death by snu snu
>Valerie
Built for being a monster broodmare.
>best girl troglodyte mogs we wuz paladins
based
>able to stay awake for days on end
KC is death than.
>virtually tireless
>mfw Arue had 26 CON once
>show DEX table now
>marilith shows up in the strength table
>balor shows up in the dex table
the frick
Reminder that according to PF rules, you can lift your maximum load (highest value in heavy load range) over your head. It's your max overhead press weight. STR 21 would be the real world highest human by those standards and you can calculate your own STR to a precision you can't with other stats
I love my cute virgin wife Galfrey
I finished both Pathfinder games alone.
I don't like the way the characters suck your wiener in the final act, it feels too forced
yeah KC is a big deal but the way they write the praises is so cringe inducing
Galfrey just got most of them killed. Of course they're happy to see you.
They barely care if you die, though.
exactly
my KC literally killed himself to close the wound and there isn't a single mention of me in other people's ending kek
Owlcat doesn't want to reward the cucks who actually chose to kill themselves.
Should have romanced someone
PF3 Jade regent SOON. I want to be culturally enriched
Hard to say what owlcat will do after Warhammer, probably a never ever for now
no, thats the worst fricking campaign
who the frick would want that trash
I aint babysitting some fricking little writer's pet c**t
>try to play this game
>feel like I fricked up character creation every time and give up
Should I just follow a build or something
just play as a crusader cleric or even Oracle. it;s the most braindead easy GISH build ever
What I find is you need sosiel, lann, nenio, ember and seelah on an lg playthrough or you don't have enough buffs and nukes.
You can drop lann and sosiel for a cleric merc and then you have a float spot for arue, ulbrig or regill.
20 crusader cleric angel cakewalks the game once you get a good weapon and divine power+eaglesoul.
Moreso once frightful aspect and shatter defenses starts working.
You just need to merge the angel and cleric spellbooks when prompted.
>Cleric angel
>Needs a cleric
oracuck, please
What? You literally said you're using a cleric angel, combine that with angel's already broken buffs, you don't need another cleric, just a domain bot, mostly for guarded earth, that can be easily done by worshipping erastil
Sosiel and a cleric Lann are useless if you play angel
You need an absolute ton of crusaders edges, magic weapons, magic vestments, death wards, and freedom of movements.
Ember can cover death wards because 4 is a pretty dead level for her, but then there's the other stuff.
in my current playthrough as a Angel it's actually
>Cleric merc with earth breaker
>Arue
>Regill
>Ulbrig
>Ember
>Daeran(waves mystery blaster)
Missing nenio a lot. Her stormbolts/icy prison/phantasmal killer + weird is too strong.
But then if you just have ulbrig griffin charge the backline I suppose it can work.
i always just cc the backline with Ember and Daeran can cast Icy prison just fine but yeah Nenio weird is too strong and op
Something I'll frequently do with nenio is quicken rod mass dimension door into stormbolts with devouring lust, and then it's just cleanup.
And until that point shes very handy for selective grease/web/sirocco.
what's the point of having prestige classes if they are so fricking shit
Flavor mostly. That doesn't translate well to videogame format though.
Some of them work for meme builds.
Not all prestige classes are assassin bro
Loremaster is really good, broken some would say. Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster are okay, Stalwart Defender is fine for dips, Mystic Theurge isn't great buts it's fun for an Angel/Lich/Legend.
Loremaster is supposed to have a higher feat tax. Even then it's still pretty good yeah
i believe
PF3 exists
Jade throne, let's fricking go!
>Dragonfrickers
qrd?
Is that where Apsu takes Iomedea for a vacation each year together with their son?
>Princess Mononke
Wolf knots?
sex with Nurah Dendiwhar
Nenio is such an annoying piece of shit character. What a waste of a slot. You have to go out of your to make a shit character stand out among so many shit characters.
if you're lawful of course you take him.
I keep hearing sorcerer is the best class?
Is that true?
yes. Azata sorcerer or Lich merged sorcerer are the most OP caster
best class for supporting trans right!
trans sisters are sorceress
Schizo woke up
In Kingmaker yes Sylvan Sorc is probably the best class. In wrath the best arcane casters are wizards.
in the first game it both fills a gap in the party and is very usefull.
second game you can do whatever really.
Yeah.
Wotr gives you very good companions like ember.
The companion roster is kingmaker is spotty.
only good characters in both games are min-maxed ones
Best class is Divination Wizard
No, sorcerers aren't real arcane casters.
Imagine being a Wizard virgin who has to learn his magic instead of casting it because you were born with it. imagine being limited by slots and imagine not being able to turn into a Dragon and get cool new wings as you level up
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. A wizard has better DC, better spell progression, is skilled in everything because INT, can use meta magic without eating his move slot, more feats, can use all arcane spells (that includes dragonkind) and to top it off schools have better bonuses than bloodlines. Wizardbros are out there becoming immortal, ruling countries and using raw autism to ascend to divinity while Sorcs will always just be mongoloid products of nepotism and deviancy.
lol stay coping Wizardkiddies. you will never be a Spontaneous caster like us Sorcererchad
>sorcuck actually thinks he's relevant
more relevant than you will ever be INT Nerd. now be a good little dog and wait until i am done with my Succubus and other outside babe harem.
>you will never be a Spontaneous caster
Good, Why would I ever want worthless dogshit?
Spell slots don't really matter in a game that has free resting and abundant casting, I would still rather be a Wizard for Schools and feats. In Kingmaker there's more arguments for extra spell slots but even then Wizard has access to better gear in the game with like Evil INT staff.
You kinda dont want to rest often in wotr because buffing is a pain in the ass before you have greater enduring and cl 25/26.
What you want to do is full buff and then march through the whole map.
Sis? Your buffbot?
When you only have about 4 spells you want to cast, you would really prefer to be spont just to be able to spam them out. You reach a point where you're only casting sirocco, icy prison and phantasmal killer. Maybe a chain lightning but thats what stormlords are for.
Also here's some free tech for you.
Use the jade triceratops statue and ride it.
Better yet be a sylvan sorc and get a dog.
>t. copings sorcucks
You will never have a true mastery of the arcane arts. You will never be capable of unleashing magic in all it's forms.
You will never be anything more than the bastard children of dragons and various outsiders.
Do I need to pass Evil checks for Lich ? I'm only at Act 1 but I'm still Neutral
You can frick around with whatever until the vescavors. Then you need to get the wand and take it to lost chapel.
Alright, I'm just worried I'll be locked out by not being sufficiently evil
I want to frick Arue's tight succubus pussy!
don't think you are ready for that
no i am ready and i will prove it by going balls deep in that succ
oh buy i am, ready and prime to go balls deep with my mythic dick in Mating press position of course
god that pic hits just right
minus the stupid ahegao face, hate that shit
>pic is "stupid ahegao face"
>yeah bro it hits just right
???
You have shit taste btw
yea theres a version of it without the ahegao face and it's way better than this moronic shit for virgins
Man you're jacking off to cartoon porn, you're in no position to cally anyone a virgin
>you're jacking off to cartoon porn
i dont
>you're in no position to cally anyone a virgin
cope, ahegao faces are for literal virgin weebs
go get laid
>OH FRICK YEAH THAT SHIT HITS JUST RIGHT
>C-Cartoon porn? N-No I don't fap to that
Right
yeah, the non-ahegao version is way better
and no, i dont jerk off to drawn porn
problem?
You do jack off to drawn porn, you won't convince anyone otherwise
Anyone who browses this website can never be Lawful good or Neutral good. all of you are just different variation of Chaotic
im flattered that you cant stop imagining me beating my meat
come and give me a kiss, my sweet
>clericscucks
>have to prostate themselves before a fake god and receive his powers.
>Oraclechads
>are chosen by a powerful divine entity to have innate Divine casting powers because of his Chad looks. doesn't even have to bow before any god whatsoever
>be rewarded for your dedication and devotion with a full list of divine magic and bonuses based on the aspect of you deity you choose to embody the most
vs
>get literally cursed by some unknown entity that intends to manipulate you into doing it's bidding instead of being upfront about it's expectations
All that said, divine magic isn't real magic anyway.
>chad looks
>when most oracle players pick wolf-scarred face as their curse
None of the fricking curses were implemented right. Having that curse in particular is supposed to make you seen as a literal fricking monster, with it being a constant social issue.
The stagger from powerless is also not supposed to be able to be negated by a fricking fourth level spell.
cam
Reminder that Arue is used goods and that's all she'll ever be
doesn't really mean much for shapeshifters
She can hide it
But she can't change what she is
>palace of incest and degeneracy
>no incest
>not even any degeneracy
fricking false advertising fricks
you say this but then use that as your portrait.
It's not my character
my KC still fricked her brains out
Stop discussing pathfinder games. Discuss RT and WH40k instead.
boring shit games
I'll be happy to discuss RT when it's finished.
It's fun but definitely unfinished
I've been doing all the content in the beta, and I like it but I feel that there needs more doctrines and fleshing out of character's backstories mechanically to make the characters feel more unique
How are the classes?
Are leaders stuck barking orders or are they meant to play as a hybrid?
Does melee works or is it only for tanking enemy meleers?
Melee fricks hard and Abelard is godly tank if you build him right.
Your hybrid characters are all adepts though since the fighter doctrine is all about that melee. Leaders are most effective when shouting at others to fight better.
Pathfinder > WH40k
Enough said.
The damage hoses in act 1 are useless by act 3 while the weakest teammates in act 1 are the strongest in act 3
I hate this cuz there's no respec, my full auto marksman build is worthless but sniper Pascal obliterates everything with Wild Hunt
I wish I could discuss Pillars of Eternity here but the threads instantly die. When they get replies it's just a bunch of people starting fandom wars between other crpgs like pathfinders and D:OS. The first game also doesn't have any fanart. The second one does but I didn't like it as much. I guess I'm just outnumbered when it comes to what people value in a CRPG.
The only good pillars discussion occurred on release. Now that the balance man has had his way with it it will forever be a meme.
balance man?
I've never played dnd before in my life and pillars of eternity is the only crpg I've played so far. How hard is it for me to get into pathfinder?
You haven't played ANY d20 knockoffs? I mean even stuff like kotor is technically a d20 knockoff.
The builds have a lot more depth and the games kinda expect you to know what you're doing if you're playing on anything above normal. On normal you may still get your ass kicked here and there, specially in kingmaker, but things will eventually click if you take your time and READ. Read the skills you're picking for your characters when you're leveling up, read your enemies stats and shit to know why you're missing everything or why spells don't work. Will-o'-wisps will absolutely rape you if you don't know they are weak to magic missile for example. Kingmaker also has as doomclock mechanic so you can potentially frick up your run permanently by not doing things fast enough.
40k is a shit setting. So is Pathfinder, but it's slightly less shit
so it would be very out of character for a lawful evil character going for demon to take regill along?
What companions work well with the demon run? Story and gameplay wise?
Cam, Daeran, Wendu, Woljif, Arue (un-brainwashed)
mfw Wenduag talks all that shit in the cave in Act 3, but my KC one shot her on the first turn of combat.
Tempted to just kill her now and be done with it.
I'm pretty sure her stats are bugged in that encounter. Not that she would be difficult even if she wasn't.
She's just completely crazy there. Even more than usually.
>Devils
>a cucked society with torment-based economy which makes Devils be an untrustworthy party
>not a high IQ society with a mutually beneficial contracts-based economy which makes Devils a trustworthy party
>Asmodeus and his devils are so pathetic they have to act like Black folk and corporate execs when it comes to dealing with others
>Devil Path is the worst path in the game (if you can even call it a path)
The absolute state when an ecchi series bordering on hentai has more interesting Devils than a universe with "complex" lore.
They only make unfair deals with the stupid and weak. If you're actually powerful enough they will ensure the deals are completely fair. (still check the fine print though)
>here you go boy, 10 % more power, (stronger than humans)
>now you will get raped in Hell for a while, then become a wagie for that gay Asmodeus for eternity, have fun
only a moron will sign a contract like that
You're correct. That's why that's a standard sample contract for weaklings and morons (your average soldier).
what crpgs allow you to import saves (other than BG and Pillars)?
>Cavalier
>Charge some dipshit with a long spear
>He explodes in a shower of blood and viscera
>Repeat until victory
>Regularly deal 100+ damage from charges
Demons talk a lotta shit until their impaled on the end of a lance.
Truly, Desna favors the Cavalry.
Should I play Kingmaker before this? If so is there anything I should know?
>Should I play Kingmaker before this?
You don't have to.
The games are independent campaigns.
No, WotR is better in every way. You can if you want though, it's still a good game but not needed.
Pirate kingmaker. Publisher fricked them and owlcat doesn't see a cent of the sales.
I actually got a free version on Epic.
fire for swarms
magic missiles for will-o-wisps
death ward for ghosts and shit
I personally liked kingmaker more than I did WoTR
>magic missiles for will-o-wisps
Stinking clouds for wisps. It's shuts them for a long.
>that arm
Is he made of spaghetti?
no, his arm is broken and she is tearing it off
Anon... that was but a silly jest.
Adult Kiss-shot > e-girl Kiss-shot
agreed
her adult persona is much more appealing
Indeed, but it's not just the appeal of her adult persona.
Both her forms are Kiss-Shot, but I consider her adult form to be her true form. When it comes to her as a person, her e-girl form and persona should be secondary to her actual form. So it's also "right" not only appealing to prefer the adult form.
If you ever intend to play kingmaker you should play it first for at least a little while.
Wotr spoils you a lot with mythic feats and generally just being a much better game with a better visuals, story, companions, and puzzles.
Crusade is somehow less of a pain in the ass than kingdom as well.
WotR has all spells/feats/etc. from KM, plus a lot more. If you're not familiar with the setting, I would play KM first, just so you spend less time reading shit everytime you level up.
Death to pre combat buffs, I like the game and all but having to rest everytime my X/minutes per level buffs run out is bullshit.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal if buffs were party wide but a lot of them are single target and even with multiple buffbots (skald, cleric, alchemist) you'll run out of spell slots after the second run of buffing.
Also, bonus types need to be consolidated better, competence, morale and luck attack bonuses are spread all the fricking classes with no thought whatsoever.
Bards are the kings of morale and competence boosts thanks to good hope being better than bless and heroism right and competence being rare as frick
But then comes wizard with heroic invocation (+4) and skald and cleric with lethal stance and even better guarded hearth shitting on bards.
10minutes and hours per level buffs are fine
>having to rest everytime my X/minutes per level buffs run out is bullshit
main reason why i just switched to story difficulty, i get no satisfaction from tedium, and if i have to do tedious shit just to get enjoyment out of one of the main gameplay elements, then it's bad design to me personally
story difficulty is just braindead, I rather use toybox to instant rest or auto extend all my spellbook.
Buffbot is a given of course
eh, i value my time too much and am too old to look up mods and install them and deal with all sorts of bullshit, so story difficulty for me
I WANT TO USE POISON OWLCAT. WHY CAN'T MY POISON BE POWERED BY MYTHIC JUCE.
How do I know which creature is evil?
enable inspect mode by pressing Y on your keyboard
Smile, the world's not ending just yet.
>the world's not ending just yet
I'm pretty sure reminding some people of that just ruined their day.
I'm almost done with my first playhthrough: demon->legend + arue run.
I heard they were improving some of the mythic paths in upcoming patch/DLC. What would Ganker recommend of the more complete paths?
Angel and demon have most content, followed by lich /azata/aeon
Swarm/ devil/ GD? See if the dlc is good first.
Alright, I'll lean towards angel then. Blood for Gorum!
>Gorum
Go sarenite bro. Praise the sun.
>I heard they were improving some of the mythic paths in upcoming patch/DLC.
>See if the dlc is good first.
Do we even know which DLC is supposed to fix/expand the paths and when it's coming out?
>Commander. I understand we've just fought our way free from Baphomet's daughter, escaped the demon lord himself and escaped the abyss
>Yes, I know we left your angel guide there after Baphomet tore his heart out
>I'm aware that more time then any of us expected has passed. That the queen banished you unlawfully and has since undone all the good work you did stabilizing the region
>But you NEED to go and see the rest of the hellknights RIGHT NOW. You're being put on trial for the sin of being unwittingly gifted power
>Oh, also I've ordered my squire to break the hellknight laws again, under pain of death. I'd like you to execute him for breaking the rules I forced him to break
This manlet frick was tolerable up until he demonstrates a complete lack of common sense. One of the first things I need to do upon getting back is coddle some buttholes who refuse to play nice with everyone else?
>inb4 wendugay
I've never welcomed either of the mongrels into my party or the crusade at large
A true LG in that scenario might rationalise that you need all the help you can get in your campaign and that Regill does more good than harm under the right influence.
chaotic evil demon or trickster?
Demon into legend + aru romance was very kino.
CE Trickster. Make the worldwound worse while getting some fat crits along the way.
Never played the game before. But can I recruit an entire party of racist humans and crusade against everything in the name of humanity?
Or is it just the case of "we must accept furries in our post apocalyptic medieval world".
You can hire mercenaries, but since they're not real characters they mightnt be racists.
And if you really want to go full crusade you need to at least have the Gnome with you.
Gnomes and Dwarfs I can vibe with. Its e*fs...
Being racist against... Other humans? Stupid!
Shame about humanity puritism. As like, I understand WHY they wouldn't add an arc like that into the game as ppl could interperte that as justification of "real world" racism. But I think thats bs as people should be smart enough to know the difference in humanity as a whole collective seeking dominance in a world where they're getting absolutely shat on.
It makes for good rp settings...
You lead a party of Nigs, gays, Furries and Manlets yes.
You can kill most monsters you come across, including recruitable party members, though you'll need to suffer a couple of story characters you just can't kill (but can shittalk). Original NPC with their personalities don't subscribe to humanity numba wan philosophy, but you can just hire mercs that you can fully customize (but they won't have personalities and in-game quest)
>fall asleep next to arue
>wake up
>she wrapped her arms around you, straddles your hips with one leg, and uses her chest as her pillow, her wings wrap you both like a blanket
>watch her cute sleeping face until she wakes up and blushes because she didnt realize she crept on top of you in her sleep
this succubus is too cute bros. how do i as a Crusader cleric resist her?
>how do i as a Crusader cleric resist her?
Why would you?
because i am a holy man and it feels weird that i am courting her even the halrun guy ask me about it
i secretly want too but the mission comes first
>halrun guy ask me about it
who cares what he says, frick the succ as holy crusader of Iomedae and put a holy baby inside her
>a holy man
Isn't it the task of a holy man to provide help and counsel to those in need and lost in life, which Arue is?
There's nothing wrong with courting a reformed succubus which is genuine in her desire to change.
>the mission comes first
the mission can't come, you and Arue, however, can
she wants, you, anon, grant her that wish
>The mission
forget the mission, frick the redeemed Succ pussy because it's this
tight
you don't. you indulge her in her passion
It is your sacred duty to Desna and her divine brothers and sisters to lovingly embrace the succ.
>thats so cute
good thing I'm a souless butthole who serves asmodeus and am thus immune to it
this power cannot be acquired by good you must join our side
frick off Devil cuck
i just did Arue prison before the queen arrived, did she really wanted to rape me and suck me dry just because i am that handsome?
>just because i am that handsome
No, you're marked by Desna and she can sense it.
wdymi?
yes.
have you not seen the Areelu lab scene anon. she wants to have that Fire inside your eyes and wants to own you secretly. than take you out to a candlight dinner [spoiler]where she will proceed to frick your brains out. it also involves a lot of claw marks on your back [/spoiler]
I've been playing the game nothing but as a fighter and I've heard that Oracle or Cleric is better for angel, how true is it? because i don't feel like i am doing tons of damage to the enemies even with some buffs like haste and prayer
>spoiler
the only thing good about Oracle angel is the spontaneous spell and being able to get weapon focus and greater WF and improved crit in one reva and wolf pet thanks to Nature mystery. Crusader is better imo. but you should try Oracle if you hate memorizing spells(slots based)
thnx, before the thread 404 is there any written build guide for this?
Buffs get pretty stupid.
A martial cleric is gonna be stacking divine power and eaglesoul with shatter defences and frightful aspect, and that gets you to full bab equivalent, auto confirming criticals, +10 strength, a ton of ac saves and hp, and everything is shaken and flat footed.
And thats before the other standard stuff like crusaders edge and magic weapon.
The real power is that merging the spellbook with angel gives you a cumulative caster level, so you're preparing angel spells in your cleric slots.
Like ward from harm communal and fortress of faith.
Which one should be next?
Iron gods for Gunslinger
Guns in pf are a bit fricky since mundane firearms originate all the way down in the mana wastes. And then star guns which are actual magical tech firearms are from arcadia.
I figure they'll do a rollup of extinction curse, AV and agents since they're all set on kortos.
Seems like the most comfy place to chill.
inb4 cannibals, monsters, undead liches, demonic sacrifice... are happening on the island
Which part of Golarion is the most chill where you could live idyllic life?
give me curse ot the crimson throne and an option to have sex with the queen
Why are all the guards women?
Imagine the smell?
evil queen is kinda nuts and wants a personal guard of 100% hot woman (who all recieve ritual scars to never be as pretty as the queen herself)
>having babymaking sex with the helmet and plate armor on
Based.
>hot female guards in plate armor
forget the queen because i want a harem of those!
I'm pretty sure the queen has plate armor of her own.
I can't imagine that not being the case.
those are just the extra bonus you get if you dick down the queen dummie
Seelah is in that story too? Is she like a Knight Errant that's in multiple stories ot something?
she is a Iconic just like Amiri. hopefully one day they add Seoni and make her romanceable
>has that cutout in her shield for a spear
>uses a sword
Would spears be beneficial to them in such a small room with +10 people fighting in it?
I'd expect them to have at least some magical/ranged capabilities, and I could see one or two of them have spears, but I don't see anything wrong with them using swords.
i don't know dick about fighting with weapons but wouldnt having your shield up and poking from range while the wizard throws fireballs be better than swinging your sword while surrounded?
>all female hot guards and hot queen that needs dicking
lease yes
S&S, but fun is illegal, so it won't happen.
>back to back pathfinder threads for nearly 5 years at this point getting to bump limits
>nearly every other RPG series is forgotten in comparison
Funny how this series became Ganker's darling
every other RPG series is forgotten in comparison
I predict BG 3 will suffer the same faith.
*fate
wth is wrong with me
Which one? To stay or to be forgotten?
To be forgotten.
That's why I greentexted
every other RPG series is forgotten in comparison
>mfw i was a lawful evil lich and redeemed arue but didnt raise galfrey as my slave warrior
feels weird
pretty sure she nope out after i become a lich and didn't romance anyone also why? why didn't you raise the hag up
pure coincidence, i went camp>queen>areelu's writings in Iz so she survived (but i did raise terendelev as my eternal slave guardian)
also i had no idea you could get ciar 🙁
I played Angel and had him with me for the whole playthrough. He did test my patience with his bullshit quests though.
New thread or are we done for now?
make one
the new thread because i woke up late and miss out on Wenduaggay cope 🙁
mummy's mask lads
imagine the sweat underneath all that see through garments (cause of desert heat or just general hornyness towards MC)
tell me all about the garments in the new thread will you 🙂