Wtf is going on at GW HQ
Like there's obviously something as these guys aren't pictured at all in the books or anything, they clearly planned to use the current now-AoS Night Goblins in both games but then decided not.
Do you think different studio managers are really in some kind of schism and desperate to show they're selling kits?
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I prefer these Night Goblins, they're more racist.
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The answer is that GW doesn't want people to play both games with one army because they think (wrongly) this will increase sales. In reality the people who play TOW will look at the cheaper TOW models and the more expensive AoS models and avoid AoS like the plague because secondaries only have so much dough to throw around. This will only undermine AoS in the long run by having competition between model ranges.
I should mention again GW doesn't see it this way- they think they can get people to buy the same army twice. The intelligent thing to do would be to let people use both armies in both games as this would increase the playerbase for both games, which is important in a game where you need to find people at your LGS to play with.
Ironically people who really want to play AoS and TOW will probably still use these guys, maybe with that AoS loonboss model too, so the goal will fail.
>Ironically people who really want to play AoS and TOW will probably still use these guys, maybe with that AoS loonboss model too, so the goal will fail.
Yeah despite most of the console wars b***hing I see on /tg/, out in the wild usually if I see someone with a ToW army they're also playing AoS. Especially using AoS models with converter movement trays if there's an overlap between the two games.
>and the more expensive AoS models
For every one that is a better deal there is another that is the same price or WORSE
>12 battle pilgrims for $80 or 10 Steelhelms for $55
>2 common trolls for $40 versus 3 troggs for $60
>5 mounted yeomen for $75 versus 5 freeguild cavaliers for $65
>3 Ushtabi for $80 versus 3 Necropolis Stalkers for $60
Not even including the """""expert kit""""" resin models (of which TOW has a bunch) because those being stupid expensive isn't surprising. There is like a 50/50 chance of that night goblin box being a worse deal than the "new" (still WHFB vintage) shootas and stabbas.
>>3 Ushtabi for $80 versus 3 Necropolis Stalkers for $60
Ushabti are literally metal plus they're cool.
The concept for ushtabi is cool, but those models are not. You are fricking cracked if you think metal is anything thats ideal to work with btw.
They are cool.
Frick you c**t Necro stalkers are gay and ushabti are cool.
bro they are pure dogshit, looks like a chewed up chicken bone.
I also think think Necropolis Stalkers are cool because they resemble Asura deity's , a good portion of OBR seems to be a mix of persian/hindu themes and its cool to see that on undead skeletons.
>OBR seems to be a mix of persian/hindu themes
But they don't. They look like rest of AoS, generic cartoonish fantasy but without sex appeal
Okay moron
>3 Necropolis Stalkers for $60
They look like ass though.
Aesthetics are subjective, the point is that they are charging $20 more for the same size unit (both number of models and physical size) made out of a more fiddly material.
>necropolis stalkers
Weeeeeeew. I’m looking at the bonereapers range right now and there is no way anyone plays this. This is the ugliest overall army theme/aesthetic execution I have ever seen in any game.
>what if we mixed undead, samurai, tyranids and romans
>and made each of the four constituent parts as ugly as possible
>and the mix as discordant as possible
That's basically entire point of AoS.
Some people do really like that army, though usually they express enthusiasm about the weird bone construct things, rather than the multiple model units.
>the weird bone construct things
Those things are cool.
Nope
I dunno man, if you don't see appeal of that model, there's nothing I can say to convince you.
I don't even want to defend the AoS, I don't play it. But for me, most of its factions is appealing to like 15% of population. Those things are super specific and you have to have niche fantasies to enjoy them.
Although if you like any of AoS factions, you REALLY like it, it speaks to you.
Mate, if you like models that look like they are made from mashed potatoes, thats okay, but you are just being a moronic b***h right now
Let's be honest, if that model had been released in 2010 with a Khemri banner on its back and entirely too many bandages, we would be posting that picture with the caption "SOVL SOVL SOVL" on the daily.
The things we love and loved about WHFB are weird and have been weird for a ton of people forever, and they think it's shit as much as we think theirs is. There's rarely objective truth on these matters, and I'm of the mind this could be a fine addition to the mortuary cult's constructs. Them getting toys doesn't prevent us from having ours, the re-emergence of WHFB is proof enough.
>Let's be honest, if that model had been released in 2010 with a Khemri banner on its back and entirely too many bandages, we would be posting that picture with the caption "SOVL SOVL SOVL" on the daily.
no, I'd still call it ugly because it looks like shit, constructs made of random bones are specifically more gay and less threatening than actual skeletons
>2010
Don't be a moron, SOVL died with 6th edition. I bet you liked robohorse.
>Arguing with ttw secondaries
Anon, they don't own a single fricking model
>if you don't enjoy literal garbage, you're a secondary!
Top argument.
Oof, did that one hit close?
actual skeletons would be cooler
>Those things are cool
Lol
Lmao even
If you posted the other sphinx I could agree with you, but most tomb kings concepts are shit.
>pic unrelated
i like this but it looks more like warmachine kinda
Very far from WarmaHordes' aesthetic, which is even more "Heroic" than Warhammer's shtick, usually bulkier to boot. If you squinted, I guess it could pass for the weird child of an Everblight Dragonspawn and Gatorman beast
Well, recycling the dead is the theme of that unit.
>my codpiece is a guy who picks up trash!
lmao this model sucks
How do people even take this game seriously?
The same type of people who shitted their pants about He-Man
Reminds me of the 2003 He-man line with amazing sculpts bombing and it getting replaced with an overpriced nostalgia line neckbeards shat their pants over.
He-man is such a weird property. Basically Sonic the Hedgehog for Xennials.
Didn't that bomb because Mattel kept on shoving He-Man into every box they could or something?
It's a toy game for adults, honestly I have no idea either.
>Cherry-picks literal worst model in the range.
-picks literal worst model in the range.
->
I have no idea which one you are saying is the worst, they are both so terrible that your point is impossible to discern
Obr are a cool faction, too bad there are no ranged units yet besides the catapult.
Looks like what you'd see from any chaos model, especially back in the day.
The Immortis Guards is the much better looking variant of that kit, and OBR look fricking amazing on the field, arrayed in formations with their infantry, cavalry and monsters. They also have THE best model GW has released for AoS (In my opinion, only Archaon beats it from WHFB, and even that is fricking close call. It's better than everything in 40k ever released) in Katakros.
The new tyranids look odd
Ha. But for real though I feel like we mostly dodged a bullet with the new Nid range for tenth. The screamer killer looks like complete ass, and holy frick what were they thinking with Deathleaper, but overall most of the remakes look okay.
These would make a decent kit base to bash some YuVath bone construct models for a niche 40k collection or FFG RPG miniatures
That's all I got
I fail to see the problem here, tbh. Those minis have big heads, are easy and fast to paint. Also this: lol.
You can always buy AoS kit, which is also old WFB kit if I recall correctly if you preffer and base minis on squares.
Ahahahahaha
These are awful
Imagine buying anything from these shitc**ts in 2024
The banana bows look silly but the spear/shields and overall aesthetic is way better than AoS goblins
the whole point is that they aren't AoS goblins
they are still originally WHFB kits, they resurrected the EVEN OLDER gobbo kit just to prevent overlap
>coping this hard
The AOS goblins suck nuts also
It sucks from the perspective that if and when I buy the smegmar night goblins GW will take it that I'm buying them for AoS.
consider not having the unhinged mentality of a teenager with a games console
I want to agree with you anon, but GW seems to have already drawn a line in the sand. I really want to see TOW succeed, so it sucks that buying the night goblins I like more won't support TOW. Since GW very clearly just allocates support based on sales.
"Plastic kit from 1998" is usually a strong candidate for what the worst version of any GW model kit is, closely followed by something from the mid 2000s.
I prefer the giant israelite noses and tooth filled grins of the older ones.
>shroomchad
vs.
>nightjak
>Do you think different studio managers are really in some kind of schism and desperate to show they're selling kits?
It's not a conspiracy theory, it's literally the corporate structure. GW specialist design studios and mainline Citadel have different balance sheets and profits and budgets and revenues and are assigned resources internally based on their individual performance. So yes, GW doesn't want people buying AoS kits to use in TOW because that means those profits are incorrectly assigned to AoS, not TOW. Kill Team escapes this because both games under the same team, so they can intentionally promote synergy and release new 40k kits under the guise of a Kill Team and either way the money goes to the same people internally.
It's also why everything for 30k was squatted recently in 10th, even brand new plastic kits. Because internally 30k under specialist design studios and 40k is mainline and 40k management was mad that the 30k balance sheet was being inflated by people buying a bunch of 30k shit to use in 40k that they never saw a dollar of (even if the overall company makes a profit either way)
it's dumb but GW are a dumb company who gets away with anything because they've got a monopoly
>it's dumb but GW are a dumb company who gets away with anything because they've got a monopoly
Also because, looking at all of the times Privateer shot themselves in the foot when they were hot, it's likely these insipid decisions are just a natural result of being a minis company
>GW
>Spartan Games
>Warmachine MK3 era
>Spartan Games
>Wyrd's The Other Side/Malifaux balancing
>Spartan Games
>TTCombat
>Spartan Games
I'm missing some more examples, but that does track.
The warmahordes frickup is really something special when you think back to how much fricking clout and presence they had, arguably the last serious competitor gw ever had to my knowledge (though irrc one of the star wars games was doing really well some time after)
X-wing apparently committed suicide with its 2nd edition
>committed suicide
Nah, it was simply too niche to grew past one edition.
It's still quite a miracle that they managed to dethrone 40k with such niche game
Aside from the upgrade card israelitery, it's basically impossible to do a Star Wars game better than X-Wing so I wouldn't really call it niche.
According to the FLGS owner, Legion is selling better for them than X-wing ever did. Which is odd since I saw plenty of X-wing players in the shop then and hardly any Legion players now.
Maybe its because everyone bought it off Amazon before Asmodee started blocking 30% off sales. I have to wonder if a large part of the edition suicide isn't just the rules change but combining it with a price increase when people only tolerated the original prices by buying at a discount.
The Warmahordes frickup isn't even the worst thing they've done when you consider they managed the impossible and broke into the Japanese game market with Monsterpocalypse and then tossed it all in the trash out of jealousy.
>pp stops selling monpoc
“Must have been out of jealousy”
- smoothbrain mongoloid
It was though. The guy who runs PP is a fricking douchebag, it's VERY well documented. Even when MonPoc was doing well back in 1st edition all of the profit it was making was just rammed into the main games instead. MonPoc has always been the passion project of two guys in a back room of the studio, and the fact that it sold well made the WMH side of things absolutely seethe.
That they brought it back is a testament to just how fricked PP were with WMH at the time. Although even now it still can't catch a break it seems (Looks at the absolutely fricking dumpsterfire that was the Mythic Games Kickstarter.)
What did TTCombat do?
>because they've got a monopoly
A monopoly on what? Because if you meant that they have a monopoly on the on TTWGs than you are an absolute moron that deserves all the suffering you get. There are numerous other TTWGs out there that GW has no control over.
They don't literally have a monopoly, but one could argue they have one on catering to the very specific brand of autistic manchildren that will buy nothing but official space marines and will never buy outside of GW, which is a pathetically large slice of the consumerbase.
IF this is true then the company is absolutely fricking doomed, nothing can survive that level of moronation, it's like Nazi bureaucracy levels of fricked up
I guess you've never worked in an office for a slightly big company. These kind of feuds are quite common. Hell, Academia is the same.
Microsoft will shut down an internal tool that works perfectly and replace it with a broken piece of shit with half the features because the internal team in charge of the tool needs to ship new product to be considered successful.
Sadly not true. The company will keep chugging along a long as it make money overall. What it changes is the way funds are allocated internally, meaning they'll keep making blunders.
Do you have a single source to back that up?
>Wtf is going on at GW HQ
Complete confusion.
Wtf?? Based rerelase if true. Old clanrats next? Monke rats are still cooler than the otters we have now
This is your brain on contrarianism.
nah the old mutant rats looked like they could actually take something in a fight. Extremely posable sculpts too just hampered being stuck on tiny square bases. They're great for AoS since its a skirmish game plus you can get em for cheap en masse 2nd hand. Obviously If you hate the sculpt then whatever but I don't think they're irredeemable by any means. Also the newest clanrat sculpts that were just previewed for 4th ed AoS look nice as well.
>nah the old mutant rats looked like they could actually take something in a fight.
So, they failed to properly represent clanrats?
I miss the old clanrats and already have too many to get the new ones it would throw off the aesthetic. If they re-release the old ones, impossible to actually position in rank and file due to tails, I will buy a couple boxes like a moron
What the frick will they do with the shields?
Is that a new sprue?
It can't be the old one, because it has weird transfers instead of the embossed moon
Did they just NOT use part of the sprue for this picture?
Good question
I prefer these ones. They have more exaggerated features and expressions.
Yeah they look crazier.
Suppose they're doing the battlin business units thing? But that killed sears like 30 years ago. Who would even?
This is good in the long run since it means they can use every army
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I bought this kit before it was shitcanned and liked it, happy to see it return.
What's the problem? Now you have two choices of night gobbies to buy
TOW is openly built on nostalgia, they are rereleasing a lot of particularly old sculpts and kits to follow that impulse
O&G players proved they would pay for this shit.
Orcs aren't supposed to be sexy, goblins are supposed to look like shit unironically.
does getting this night goblin kit mean that we will get the free company kit? it was sooooo good.
>they clearly planned to use the current now-AoS Night Goblins in both games but then decided not.
The departments are in a pissing match. They each get budgets based on their kits selling, so when someone buys a kit from a different game, the department heads lose their frickin minds.
were the end times fun?
These are maybe the second worst models GW ever did. The contemporary hunchback chaos warriors are the worst. Nobody liked these even then
Why so? I like the big grinning faces. The other goblins look spiteful.
Bonereapers are a Waacgay army, they're not for Timmy.
By this I mean nobody likes the look of them, even people who collect them
I'm pretty sure Timmy is gonna wanna like to take a morghast or two
Will they also re-release the 6th edition plastic chaos warriors?
I hope so, I love the new warriors but ranking them up beyond the first row would be an insurmountable pain in the ass, plus both the new and old sculpts scale pretty well together so it would be nice to have the options
GW has always had schizophrenic management. But then they've been on a weird anti-dovetail kick when it seems like cross system compatibility would move a lot more models
I think it's grown out of the increasing size of their model range resulting in more and more severe logistical issues. Now they want to keep track of what exactly is selling so they can focus on it and that's causing them to do weird counterproductive stuff like simultaneously producing 2 versions of the same kit with one just being a worse version of the other.
Well, there go my hopes for a Skull Pass reprint.
frick men. I don't know if i miss 2006 or if I just miss being 15
Everything's been cursed since 2009. We had it good back in the mid 00's.
>haloBlack folk
It's mostly missing being 15. World was smaller at that age, we found contentment in more achievable things, everything was simpler. Now we're all slowly turning into Howard Beale and deliberately ruin our and everyone's childhood and treasured memories for dopamine on a forum where half of the people have erectile dysfunction and make their day by arguing in the void about how they're against this or that.
Be 15 every occasion you have. Simple pleasures are what joy is built upon.
from what rob and others have said, there is an internal battle between specialist games and the main studio due to how the spreadsheets work internally.
if ToW puts night goblins in the game, but they are bought and fielded using the AoS package box, then the revenue from the sale shows up entirely on the main studios revenue report and not the specialist games studio report, so every crossover box directly hurts the perception of how well specialist games is performing on the companies revenue reports.
because of this, the specialist design studio, who's lead supposedly has some sway with the higher ups, has been clawing away models like beasts of chaos and forcing exclusive kit releases anywhere they can (expect to see the cities of sigmar elves and dwarves reboxed with squares and removed from AoS soon)
basically asinine petty Hatfield and McCoys squabbling brought about by shitty internal revenue tracking and non-communicating departments and accounting.