And the last of it, to my knowledge.
Of all the lines I enjoy the first one posted, Wicked Things, the most. They all play very well together though and the worldbuilding has that /tg/ spark of 'we clearly should have stopped hours ago, but lets keep going and see where we end up'
Enjoy.
One more after this.
Not sure what you'd call core but the rest of it is definitely a war between goth, industrial punk, and hair metal.
And the last of it, to my knowledge.
Of all the lines I enjoy the first one posted, Wicked Things, the most. They all play very well together though and the worldbuilding has that /tg/ spark of 'we clearly should have stopped hours ago, but lets keep going and see where we end up'
Enjoy.
Former employees said that it's a guessing game where you email designs to corporate and hope. Not much feedback on why a design is not approved; for example, one of the heresy sculptors sculpted a squad with no helmets, all bare heads. They got sent back and he was told to give them helmets, now he believes that corporate doesn't like bare heads. The result is that he no longer attempts to sculpt bare heads at all, bare heads become scarce. There's no communication so the sculptors are trying to figure out what corporate likes based on what gets approved so certain design elements like squads with bare heads get shelved.
>guessing game >no feedback
if the design is not fit for children and does not reflect current cultural trends and diversity its not getting approved by nu-james
also that former sculptor who made a model of Fuegan as a passion project and got shutdown so hard that he left shortly after
Former employees said that it's a guessing game where you email designs to corporate and hope. Not much feedback on why a design is not approved; for example, one of the heresy sculptors sculpted a squad with no helmets, all bare heads. They got sent back and he was told to give them helmets, now he believes that corporate doesn't like bare heads. The result is that he no longer attempts to sculpt bare heads at all, bare heads become scarce. There's no communication so the sculptors are trying to figure out what corporate likes based on what gets approved so certain design elements like squads with bare heads get shelved.
it's litterally the community, space marines players shouting at every xenos players that they are not wanted in the hobby because "muh filthy xenos scum for da empra xD', (particularly eldar and tau players) in turn they don't participate in the hobby, wich decrease sales, wich decrease GW's interest to release new xenos models, wich in turn increase space marine model production wich fuel the toxic space marine community
> go extreme in one direct, bare heads > management says no > FINE I GUESS ILL NEVER SCULPT ANOTHER BARE HEAD!!!!!
Thus sculptor is a fricking idiot. Hey jackass, it's space marines, or one of their fricking deveriatives. Noone wants only bare heads. Literally EVERY other set of alternative heads for marines ever produced is a set of heads AND bare heads.
No shit they said no. Skin scares paintlets. It's LITERALLY a reason why marines are the biggest faction.
How many sets of BARE HEADS ONLY do you think they will therefore sell?
Frick me. How can the sculptor be so fricking tone deaf to the audience of his own fricking product.
You've completely missed the fricking point, the heads are just one example of how the design team and corporate silos push the aesthetic of the game in certain directions.
Pretty sure these were done post FW dissolution after Bligh. Whoever was left was intermingled with the normal design team and most things went digital. Those wolves are not hand sculpted, and almost certainly done by the same people who work on 40k.
This happened with the launch of AOS >Design the keeper of secrets to have a mechanic where an attacking model may add any amount of attacks when fighting it in close combat, but if it ever rolls a triple 6 all attacks miss, representing the unit falling to temptation. >Management likes this and asks for similar designs
"Quick, management wants minigames for every army. Make it so that dwarf players must wear a fake beard and drink all the time." >Management wants less focus on competitive balance to attract new players
"No points, all Ballance is out the window, everyone gets to play whatever they want"
If a gi Joe unit makes it into melee combat with a cobra unit it is automatically destroyed and the cobra army must make full run moves towards the nearest table edge
Old school designs have them pintle mounted, not welded to a bumper moron. And i've probably been playing 40k since before you were born, i doubt there are that many 53 year olds around here..
Basically what I was going to post. The vehicles all look like rush jobs.
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That's a great example of the other guy's point because even though on the model that hull weapon is fixed in position it at least looks like a functioning hull mount that can traverse and change elevation
Fun fact, anon: Early M4 Shermans had, on top fo the ball mounted machine gun for the hull machine gunner, a twin set of fixed machine guns the driver would operate and aim by turning the tank left and right (and remember, a tank can turn on the stop, a wheeled vehicle has some problems doing the same). Guess which machine guns were dropped from the final version (as well as from the M3 Lee) for being dumb as frick?
All the Chimera hull guns are on a mount that can be turned. That's why they got that canvas covering, to stop dust and crap from getting into the working bits, like how some tanks have cavas covering on the mantlet for the same reason.
Would the fixed guns on the space marine bikes make you happier? The cannon on the vindicator? The bright lances on eldar skimmers? The underslung guns on the land speeders? 40k has a ton of vehicles that could only aim their guns by steering
Bad argument. Fixed guns make sense for things fast enough to confidently move towards the thing they're shooting and break off fighter jet style. It does not make sense for large low to the ground vehicles whose primary goal is not fast attack.
>Would the fixed guns on the space marine bikes make you happier?
The ones attached to the handlebars that turn? >The cannon on the vindicator?
Casemate guns can still traverse. >The bright lances on eldar skimmers?
The one mounted on the manned turret on a Wyper or Wave Serpent? >The underslung guns on the land speeders?
The ones that are shown to be able to traverse?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm still not sure it's a good idea to put a flamethrower on something as fast as a landspeeder.
>fixed guns on bike
The bike is firing where it is pointing you absolute moron, it couldn't be otherwise, same with any fast vehicle where the gun is aimed like a fighter plane >landspeeders
These obviously traverse and are aimed by the gunner, how the frick is that not immediately obvious? I first saw a landspeeder when I was seven and knew what it did >the vindicator
A massive assault gun that has to remain in place to fire has no need to traverse either. Are your parents brother and sister or something anon? Do you also think the tracks are stationary because they don't move?
Fun fact, anon: Early M4 Shermans had, on top fo the ball mounted machine gun for the hull machine gunner, a twin set of fixed machine guns the driver would operate and aim by turning the tank left and right (and remember, a tank can turn on the stop, a wheeled vehicle has some problems doing the same). Guess which machine guns were dropped from the final version (as well as from the M3 Lee) for being dumb as frick?
All the Chimera hull guns are on a mount that can be turned. That's why they got that canvas covering, to stop dust and crap from getting into the working bits, like how some tanks have cavas covering on the mantlet for the same reason.
Not every tank can do this, and Shermans could not.
Besides, not every sherman model had these, and later models certainly had not. Sticking machine guns onto every tank was an american early war doctrine that lead to nowhere.
Basically what I was going to post. The vehicles all look like rush jobs.
Hi newbie. Hull weapons are a staple of 40k design.
That's a great example of the other guy's point because even though on the model that hull weapon is fixed in position it at least looks like a functioning hull mount that can traverse and change elevation
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Warhammer DAoT tech never had a "faux-futurism" aesthetic until the AdMech debacle. We already knew what DAoT tech looked like before - it looked like the existing 40K model line, because most of the vehicles that already existed were STC designs and so *were DAoT tech*.
All this NASA-meets-Iron Giant wank is garbage for zoomzoom homosexuals.
Try again zoomzoom gaygoid mcgee, I started out with 4th Ed WHFB and I wasn't even a cool enough teenager to take a break for a booze and b***hes phase. You and your shitty taste are repulsive to grogs, pseudogrogs, neogrogs, pretty much everyone who's not a broccoli-headed living advertisement for allowing abortion.
>Whats going on
Typical fricking Nu-GW being so fricking outta touch with their player base and internet culture they dont understand contextand nuance of a joke/gag.
I garun-fricking-te you, what happen was some moron that browses reddit at work all day was the one who suggested they bring squats back and model them after DRG. Failing to fricking realize that A) squats for the most part were just a meme not an actual request. and B) the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
GW is just fricking outta touch with the player base that actually got them to where they are today, and the cracks in pandering to the masses who have the attention span of a fricking lobotomized chipmunk is starting to show.
HH is basically proof that the old guard that want the in depth rules and granular detail of the game, and the grim dark griddyness of the orignal setting are the ones going to be spending big fricking bucks on their products when they give them what they want. For christ sake look at the HH page on GWs sites, whats outta stock? Mk4 and Mk3 the multi pose models and they have been outta stock since HH launched, Drop pods, Kratos, Deimos rhino, special weaons upgrades.
All the old school shit is selling so fast they cant fricking keep up with it.
GW is dethatched from reality and their marketing base, and this ugly fricking model is proof of it.
Squats seem to be GW returning to the old Men of Stone lore.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Men_of_Stone
Essentially genetically engineered "clones" made by DAOT supercomputers which imo, is genuinely a great take on the faction, way better than what the og squats were.
Only fricking homosexuals wanted the gay biker manlets from mars back.
Og squats were fricking trash, and got canned for a reason. Their aesthetics were utter fricking garbage and only homosexuals with zero aesthetic tastes would have ever liked them.
They were trashed because they did not work outside of epic.
Their entire mechanic was meconized trains and vehicles which works fine in epic, but fails in 40k.
These things are some of the most ugly fricking models i have seen for 40k and thats saying a lot considering we still have the Khorne berzerkers in 40k still.
I fully expect this line to flounder very very quickly, fricking quicker then sister did because just like sisters, GW does not realize that most people actually dont want squats they just think they are lol funny space dwarves.
And nobody wanted those gay space bikers back because they looked like fricking trash in epic as well.
If you ever liked the original squats you are a homosexual who probably takes it up the ass at the local biker club.
Do you really think it’s impossible to have a vehicle heavy faction in 40k what are you even saying
You are a minority of a minority why are you acting like GW changing Squats from a literal joke is some grand conspiracy? Relax they’re just toys
>These things are some of the most ugly fricking models i have seen for 40k and thats saying a lot considering we still have the Khorne berzerkers in 40k still.
Murder Bunnies are adorable though
I would like some heavy industrial armored “trains” to make an appearance at some point.
Especially if they are trackless and powered by electromagnet psify gibberish.
ESPECIALLY if they are GSC.
Almost every new release looks like dog shit; literal sci-fi stock images, bland and interchangeable between this game or that. You couldn't even describe what is unique about nu-squats.
also that former sculptor who made a model of Fuegan as a passion project and got shutdown so hard that he left shortly after
The guy that did Perturabo as well. Many such cases.
The OG squats were fricking moronic and only contrarian homosexuals pretend that there was anything good in the homosexual boomer bikers in space aesthetic the Squats had.
The current space race/nasapunk dwarves look is way better. The only aspect where they really suck thus far are the faces on the squats. The female faces are horrid, and even the male faces are rather shit imo.
Also the helmets having little eyes looks goofy, it would be better if they were just dome like things or some shit.
>The female faces are horrid
As they should be. >even the male faces are rather shit
Nah they look pretty good. >Also the helmets having little eyes looks goofy
Nah
>Failing to fricking realize that A) squats for the most part were just a meme not an actual request.
No, people actually want squats, the specialist games sculpts are fantastic >the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
This is correct, I don't know what half this shit is but it's not fricking space dwarfs
> the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
Pretty much, I would have got some quilted jacket lasgun guys made in the necromunda dwarf style, even some trikes just cos they are silly, but this shit? lmao not a fricking chance
>Gonna make my Squats into a mixture of Starcraft Terrans and asteroid miners.
Gonna make my Squats into a Pygmy army, I'll print Tyrone's head for all of them, try and stop me.
Weren't the Pygmies bald in their final incarnation? The originals that weren't complete racist caricatures did have some hair, but the second, more infamous versions were all hairless.
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that are at all original: Chaos (except Beastmen, who are Broo, and Khorne Daemons, who are generic), Skaven, the idea of big burly stupid and green Orcs.
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that Blizzard didn’t steal: Chaos, Skaven.
The only remotely original thing Blizzard stole from WFB was their Orc aesthetic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What about steampunky tech like tanks and gyrocopters, and widespread use of primitive gunpowder weapons? Was this done in fantasy before WFB?
>Marines
Judge Dreed comics > tyranids
Aliens >plus warhammer fantasy shit
Elric of Melniboné, D&D, Tolkien, Conan, WoT etc....
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not sure if trolling but tyranids kinda are unique. Even drawing on other stuff (like most things)they're not a straight copy of anything.
They're xenomorphs+arachnids+dinosaurs that lean hard into the tech side of biotech.
It's not 100% gws idea but they've ended up with something relatively distinct and novel in scifi.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>tyranids kinda are unique.
the concept of organic guns is, although you can see different animals/bugs launching poison spores and other shits and I think I've seen claws with the hormagaunt shape too. Most of the base army >Hormagaunt, Termagant, Warriors, Ravener, are literally Aliens with that shit, and you have the Rippers too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
organic guns were taken from HR Giger's works, just like many other things
2 years ago
Anonymous
example of an organic gun in Giger's works please? All I can remember is picrel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't find an easy example right now, but I'd swear i've seen Giger paintings mixing guns with alien biomechanic aesthetics
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean technically he painted mostly penises and giant tubes or veganas. This is in line with the rape themes in alien and tyranids shooting alien goo out of penis guns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
example of an organic gun in Giger's works please? All I can remember is picrel.
I can't find an easy example right now, but I'd swear i've seen Giger paintings mixing guns with alien biomechanic aesthetics
I mean technically he painted mostly penises and giant tubes or veganas. This is in line with the rape themes in alien and tyranids shooting alien goo out of penis guns.
still here. Still waiting
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA but does this count? Probably closest I could find of a giger biologic/metal gun fuse. Honestly the only other explicit gun I could find is.. A very realistic pump shotgun. I don't personally have a horse in this race, I'm just trying to help.
Sardaukar, arachnids and tolkien. Dilate was correct answer to your zoomer speak right?
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that are at all original: Chaos (except Beastmen, who are Broo, and Khorne Daemons, who are generic), Skaven, the idea of big burly stupid and green Orcs.
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that Blizzard didn’t steal: Chaos, Skaven.
The only remotely original thing Blizzard stole from WFB was their Orc aesthetic.
>Things in Warhammer Fantasy that are at all original: Chaos
Moorwiener.
Yeah, I love them when helmeted. Without they look terrible and I think it's the lack of beards. I might cast the helmet repeatedly or just green stuff some massive beards. Not sure yet.
With Space Marines I see more of a medieval knight than anything else, save for Heinlein's power armor. These guys are more akin to modern astronauts and the how the 50s envisioned the World of Tomorrow. And their society really reminds me of a Philip K. Dick novel.
I wish their armour had more greeble on them. Even basic old marines have a little paneling and plugs and such on them. Simple diamond stitch on their clothes would help associate them more with Squats. Just little stuff like that.
The left and right of that picture look nothing alike. What am I supposed to see? The hose from mouth to suit being a beakie? The different visors being the same? Pauldrons being round therefore shoulders?
I wish their armour had more greeble on them. Even basic old marines have a little paneling and plugs and such on them. Simple diamond stitch on their clothes would help associate them more with Squats. Just little stuff like that.
but I would love to see more retro scifi art being made into minis. I don't care if some guy carbon copies art from a 70's magazine and manufactures them I just want that old art style on the board
I have not felt the same burning hatred /40kg/ and others on /tg/ have felt for the squataan
While it is massively gay that the biker dude squats have been made a minor necromunda faction while the new nasapunk votaan take their place as a proper army, I'm mostly enjoying the new models
Not quite ideal but maybe if the necromunda ones keep getting models there'll be enough to combine with some votan conversions to make a throwback squat 500-1k point list or something with relatively minor effort
Is this the thread where people pretend that they totally cared about the literal gay midget space bikers that GW killed because nobody cared about them?
Stop complaining chud. It is deboonked that thry look like shit. Listen to the experts.
>its their chosen profession
All this comment did was remind us the designers are bad at their job and are too blind to realize it. Yeah it may be your "chosen profession" but people choose careers that they aren't good at then they quit. A snide comment doesn't change the fact not everyone is cut out for the profession they seek
>Power Miners just upped the aesthetic and felt even more 40k to me.
Now if we're talking about 40k looking themes, then Nexo Knights deserves a mention. The concept art isn't exactly subtle about the inspiration.
You know that meme about your parents not getting you something you want because you have the knock off at home? If there was a 40k lego set, this would be the 40k legos at home.
Oh yeah actually, the extra bulk on those vehicles (as compared to older lines) would be perfect for making tabletop models. Time to learn how to make 3d models I guess, I want to make sqauts inspired by generations of lego
>Power Miners just upped the aesthetic and felt even more 40k to me.
Now if we're talking about 40k looking themes, then Nexo Knights deserves a mention. The concept art isn't exactly subtle about the inspiration.
Nexo knights released when I was not really keeping up with lego anymore, so I never knew what it really was. That concept art almost makes me sad I missed out on it
Anon are you having a stroke? I never said anything looked like shit. I'm just overly nostalgic for the aesthetic of lego kits from my childhood.
Also not gonna spend money on GW frick that, I'll just proooont
I think the problem is deeper than that. Every faction in 40k tries to have its own basic form language, and most of the "classic" ones are already taken. To simplify: Imperium is rivets and hard angles, Chaos is the same but with spikes, Orks is uneven and ramshackle, Eldar is oval and smooth, Deldar is oval and spiky, Necrons are geometric shapes etc. Every new faction needs to invent its own style. GSC and Mechanicus are technically part of the Imperium (or at least their gear are), so it's okay to have overlap there. But squats with their new background need to look different from that and also not too alien. So they have this style that looks to be somewhere between Tau and Imperium in terms of design language.
Thank you, this is the point where I can objectively say people at /tg/ are terribly biased towards nostalgia factor no matter how much verbal abuse and mental gymnastics they are going to throw at this comment.
As for the new design, I find it ok, I believe larger wheels would have favoured, but it certainly looks better than the taurox and slightly more reasonable than the chimera in terms of mobility although it's still bad in terms of an IFV.
As a general rule GW models could be nice, except they often make some terrible frickup which are visually or mechanically annoying, is not like we can't fix it but people are not always in the mood to kitbash stuff.
I mean, if it took that post to tell you that, you're very new. Transparent orange chainsaws have been a board staple since quite possibly before you were born.
Seems like GW decided to give Squ-, I mean Votann an astronaut aesthetic, like this reminds me of a moon rover and other models made me think of them as astronauts, even the terran marine ones, so that's what is going on with this line
Kinda weird, but gotta make armies recognizable I suppose
>squats were known for bikes and buggies >dwarfs are known for mining and using tools (like axes, picks and hammers) as weapons
So what does GW do? Give bikes, buggies and mining tools as weapons to Genestealer Cultists, and make space dwarfs into manlet Tau humans. Should've just used them as Demiurg Tau auxiliaries and let the stunties rest in pieces.
GW wanted to do something with squats. FW goes and makes squats in Necromunda. GW gets so fannyflustered they remake the squats into votann and declare the necromunda squats a separate species.
>GW gets so fannyflustered they remake the squats into votann and declare the necromunda squats a separate species.
I'd say it's more race than species, anon.
>Lightyear toys selling so poorly they have to sell then as Warhammer minis
I mean, fricking bravo on how huge the profit margin will be at that point, but it's a little too obvious isn't it?
Are you gays really going to make a dozen crybaby tantrum threads with every new squat release? You honestly deserve your homosexual Beardaxe McBeardbeard maymay tricycle faction getting monkey paw butchered if you're going to piss and shit like this over every single model.
Present day 12 y/os are drugged out of their minds and unable to formulate thoughts unacceptable to their overlords. This stuff is approved by committee based on sales trends, and Votann NASApunk aesthetic is reflective of the current treatment of science as a new religion.
Are these random strawmen of generic disenfranchised concern your only means of communication? Because nothing you say seem to have any correlation with what is being discussed, you're just letting your misguided anxieties spew loosely like some sort of incontinent boomer cartoonist.
Actually that might be the problem, we can't teach kids to properly understand and apply scientific thinking and the scientific method, so we just tell them trust it instead.
You pretty much have to just trust at some point, because nobody can get deep enough on to every field to have the neccessary background information to understand the explanation. So we have millions of people that have misremembered surface level explanations they learnt sometimes decades ago, which they then trust more than the experts on field. There is lots to criticize in pop science and poor science journalism, but too often laymen engaging in "scientific thinking" just disbelieve for no good reason.
Actually that might be the problem, we can't teach kids to properly understand and apply scientific thinking and the scientific method, so we just tell them trust it instead.
was also hitting on is "peer reviewed studies" where bias can easily be passed as fact. For examples on bias in studies, look at "health" studies and who they are funded by. The studies on Covid vaccine efficacy were funded by you guessed it, covid vaccine manufacturers who have a lot riding on a positive review. On that same rabbit hole, the news stations reporting on and effectively advertising these vaccines are also funded by the same vaccine manufacturers. >TL:DR When you interpret information, understanding the motivations for why the information is being provided is key. >Ex: Games Workshop says their paints are the best for Warhammer 40,000 miniatures. Is that truly because they believe that these paints are the best product for painting miniatures? Or are they trying to sell you overpriced paint to net themselves a profit? Understanding what motivates Games Workshop to advertise their paints helps bring additional understanding to their statements when in reality they are fully aware they purposely use faulty paint containers different from every other miniature paint to dry out your paints sooner and thus sell more overpriced paint.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're ironically suppressing information that Covid brain damages many of the people it infects. Apparently a lot of people have developed a form of psychosis in the past year or two which explains why everyone thinks Joe is coming to personally smell their hair at any moment. >"Oh Jeff was right about you... Get over here!"
I hate dwarves (not matter how much GW tries to tone their dwarfishness down it will never be enough for me) but I like astronauts and robots so nu-Squats are leaving me pretty conflicted
Though I have to wonder how finished the model is, when they only showed it from one side and the front left wheel is a copy and paste of one of the right wheels.
Those aren't on a casemate, and you're ignoring a point many people have grought up in this thread: Ground vehicle. Horne is a skimmer, it flies. Fixed guns on a chopper or a fighter work. Fixed guns on a ground vehicle, even on a tracked one, not so much. Best you can find is the Swedish s-tank (and to some extend that one experimental German twin-gun thing, though I believe that only locked the traverse, not elevation), and that was the main gun, around which the whole tank was built. You can't do that on a wheeled vehicle, especially one when it's not even the main gun. You fall into the same problem as the early M3s and 4s, as the driver is strafing the enemy with machine gun fire, he's throwing off everyone else's aim.
They could've fixed it literally by putting the guns even on a little turret, like on the Tau Devilfish or Pirahna. Or don't put fixed nose machine guns on your damn car and put them on a pintle up top, where the top dome is. If you want to keep the dome, put them on a bomber style domed turret.
Even if you don't have the driver swerving left and right to spray bullets the fixed guns could only hit someone standing still on a perfectly flat recently mown lawn. Quite absurd it ever was put into production. It's terrible that GW keep doing it and people somehow keep defending it. This squat thingie us the ugliest vehicle since the taurox as well which doesn't help.
I think the aiming is the lesser problem than the damage that driving offroad is going to inflict on the barrels. Little (and not so little) stones, dirt, etc, all getting into them.
What I don't get is the roll cage. What is it supposed to do? Looks like it wouldn't protect the wienerpit anyway.
Still looking awesome. Wonder if it will be usable in gorkamunda.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As well as any collision or uneven terrain smashing them to bits. It's just very silly
I get what they're trying to go for, since nu-squats actually have some kind of STC's their tech is meant to look a little more advanced and high tech than the imperium's, the problem is they're very inconsistent with it >Looking at you hover trike
Hover trike makes sense if they kept to the original lore of squat homeworlds covered in metal sand "seas" that shredded the frick out of tires. It doesn't mesh with the Sagitaur having wheels though.
Maybe they intend LoV to be a return to Oldhammer marines with small flying vehicles and big ground vehicles. Only instead of Landspeeder, Rhino, Land Raider it's Landspeeder, Razorback, Land Raider.
You people aren't thinking of a 5-10 year business plan. They're shooting their load on the tech DRG dwarves first because it's the riskier design. Then they're doubling down on the bait by releasing "real Squats" via Necromunda but not in the classic style people claim to want. This is the New Coke marketing formula where they're using the hype to pump sales and if the ruse works they can bank roll it into a double dip with a "proper Squat" 40k army down the line.
Considering how old the squat lore is, everything else has changed dramatically as the tone of the game has shifted. Why shouldn't the squats? Just because you want the theme to match up with DeepRockGalactic so you can meme all your squat characters names as Karl
Maybe, can you tell me what is the common aesthetic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Helmet, padding...
Seriously, get new glasses, granpa.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Glasses over the helmet
Helmet is more a firefight
Padding doesnt go over the arms
They mini is taller, goddamnit, its more a short human
Laser rifle
Beard size
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you on a spectrum perchance?
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA, but I think you might be being disingenuous saying that there is no aesthetic link between the classic Squat design and the Necromunda squat redesign shown in
The original Necromunda model that started the Squat revival proved that the old aesthetic still works with modern sculpting.
>People keep crying about Squats >That one faction that GW dropped because they felt it looked like nothing but stupid toys >GW releases Squats >They look like nothing but stupid toys
You expected something different?
Yes. The original squats had a sort of viking/ancestor worship thing going on, lots of intricately decorated gear that set them apart from all the other armies. These squats look more like slightly shorter Primaris in style.
It's strange they haven't copied the old helmets, aside from the necromunda guy. It's the one element of the old squats that stands out very clearly, especially now that the imperial guard have moved away from it.
>People whining about Squats having a NASApunk aesthetic >The same people use terms like Zoomer to refer to it
I like it, it's a unique aesthetic that fits in with the connection to engineering and technology being at the core of their design. It also has tons of room to allow more dwarfy designs to be put onto the machines by yourself if you want to hobbycraft them.
..Is that the issue? Are all these people complaining so devoid of actual imagination they see something designed with a blank canvas and they complain about it? My only issue is the lack of Scout-like bomber jacket Dorfs so I can make a roughneck army.
Jesus Christ you people are idiots. It's clearly based on this kind of vehicle, just like their base infantry is clearly wearing a spacesuit. They're Void dwellers. The visual motif they're going for is quite clear and they're obviously trying to downplay the Dwarves in space element.
Ah, yes, the famous NASA armoured combat car. >they're obviously trying to downplay the Dwarves in space element.
Yeah, why do you think people hate it?
You'd think you'd expect the universally negative reactions you get by now.
Go "battle" your boogeyman offscreen in the sec8 shithole you fill with pissbottles.
Complete homosexual.
I don't dislike it. It looks better than something like the Taurox,at least. Though it feels to me more like an Admech explorator vehicle than a space dwarf one.
Though it seems the look they're going for with the new Squats is space-miners, who also happen to be dwarves, instead of going all-out on the dwarf part. Which is why I think a lot of people are disappointed with the models. When GW said they were bringing back the Squats, a lot of people wanted updated sculpts of the old-school models, or WHFB dwarves with power-axes and bolters, not fairly generic looking armored space suit guys who just happen to be shorter than average and have a few runes or other viking elements on a few models.
This thread mostly reminds me of how I used to refer to it as "Rock Raiders Syndrome" when younger people have intense nostalgia for what you considered as when a franchise turned to shit.
See also 7th/8th edition WFB. Or post(1986)-movie Transformers like Rodimus Prime.
Vibe seems to be retro space exploration aesthetics with some dwarf stuff attached. The comparisons to old LEGO space stuff are pretty apt because the designs in that theme were kind of ambiguous as to whether they were exploration or combat vehicles.
Imagine giving a shit about the official GW product.
Print, proxy, and kitbash.
>has six wheeles
>all of them are fixed facing forward
what a shit design
I mean, GW doesn't have any idea on how weapons work and yet they are designing a wargame. Why did you think their vehicle logic would be better?
this to be fair. Least we remind ourselves of every other flying metal box that really shouldnt.
Can you explain this to me?
I swear I don't work at GW, I'm just ignorant.
differential steering is a thing
of all the silly things in 40k to pick on its that?
Its not a fricking tank.
Yes and?
Differential steering isn't just a tank thing.
Its also not a lawnmower.
You sure? The Titans are repurposed Vaccuum bots after all.
Well considering its not the imperium, I'm sure its not repurposed garbage yeah.
I'm pretty sure they're going for a retro-future kind of feel for the Squats. I mean, those wheels are not too far off from what the rover has.
Your car has a differential ya dingus. When you turn a corner the inside and outside wheel don’t travel the same distance
yeah frick cars
This would make a really cool toy
You wouldn't happen to have the core rulebook at hand as well, would you?
Seconded
This is literally the only time on Ganker that I have seen a pdf
a handful of boards can post pdfs
tg got the ability to when moot was still around
/tg/ has had pdf support for years at this point.
Not what I expected to post when I came into this thread, but I'm happy to see others discover this one. Core and more incoming
One more after this.
Not sure what you'd call core but the rest of it is definitely a war between goth, industrial punk, and hair metal.
And the last of it, to my knowledge.
Of all the lines I enjoy the first one posted, Wicked Things, the most. They all play very well together though and the worldbuilding has that /tg/ spark of 'we clearly should have stopped hours ago, but lets keep going and see where we end up'
Enjoy.
Thank you.
i love it, thanks
Feels like they have three different designers with different ideas for what the aesthetic is.
Former employees said that it's a guessing game where you email designs to corporate and hope. Not much feedback on why a design is not approved; for example, one of the heresy sculptors sculpted a squad with no helmets, all bare heads. They got sent back and he was told to give them helmets, now he believes that corporate doesn't like bare heads. The result is that he no longer attempts to sculpt bare heads at all, bare heads become scarce. There's no communication so the sculptors are trying to figure out what corporate likes based on what gets approved so certain design elements like squads with bare heads get shelved.
>guessing game
>no feedback
if the design is not fit for children and does not reflect current cultural trends and diversity its not getting approved by nu-james
Touch grass
also that former sculptor who made a model of Fuegan as a passion project and got shutdown so hard that he left shortly after
>former sculptor who made a model of Fuegan as a passion project
Gareth Nicolas?
i think yeah
why the frick do they hate Eldar
it's litterally the community, space marines players shouting at every xenos players that they are not wanted in the hobby because "muh filthy xenos scum for da empra xD', (particularly eldar and tau players) in turn they don't participate in the hobby, wich decrease sales, wich decrease GW's interest to release new xenos models, wich in turn increase space marine model production wich fuel the toxic space marine community
> go extreme in one direct, bare heads
> management says no
> FINE I GUESS ILL NEVER SCULPT ANOTHER BARE HEAD!!!!!
Thus sculptor is a fricking idiot. Hey jackass, it's space marines, or one of their fricking deveriatives. Noone wants only bare heads. Literally EVERY other set of alternative heads for marines ever produced is a set of heads AND bare heads.
No shit they said no. Skin scares paintlets. It's LITERALLY a reason why marines are the biggest faction.
How many sets of BARE HEADS ONLY do you think they will therefore sell?
Frick me. How can the sculptor be so fricking tone deaf to the audience of his own fricking product.
Space wolves are the only chapter who dislikes helmets because they prefer their natural senses over their helmets'.
Everyone who is not a xenos should have one
I still wonder what the frick was going on in the head of whoever gave them upside down bolters.
You've completely missed the fricking point, the heads are just one example of how the design team and corporate silos push the aesthetic of the game in certain directions.
Pretty sure these were done post FW dissolution after Bligh. Whoever was left was intermingled with the normal design team and most things went digital. Those wolves are not hand sculpted, and almost certainly done by the same people who work on 40k.
What a shame. They look wonderful
Completely missing the point. Are you lead poisoned or something?
Shut up snivelling paypig
This happened with the launch of AOS
>Design the keeper of secrets to have a mechanic where an attacking model may add any amount of attacks when fighting it in close combat, but if it ever rolls a triple 6 all attacks miss, representing the unit falling to temptation.
>Management likes this and asks for similar designs
"Quick, management wants minigames for every army. Make it so that dwarf players must wear a fake beard and drink all the time."
>Management wants less focus on competitive balance to attract new players
"No points, all Ballance is out the window, everyone gets to play whatever they want"
I don't mind this one, but jesus the Squat aesthetic is all over the fricking place.
Not really.
It's practical space exploration gear marked with marked with boomer traditionalist trappings like melee weapons and runic filigree.
It's half moronic instead of full moronic of regular 40k
It's literally just midget Vaulters.
*random concern trolling*
*homosexual*
You feeling attacked?
Is that why you're simping for a trash game you automatically defend crom any criticisms at all?
(SPOILER ALERT)
GW will never notice you and they will never give you a $1 discount off your $100 outdated tactical marines or a gold star.
*loud dicksucking noises mixed with faint sobbing*
This legitimately looks like a GI Joe toy. Maybe a set where Cobra and Joe fight over the moon.
COBRALALALALALALALALALALA~!!
Yes based department? You’re gonna want to see this
>vets are Crimson Guard
>Normal dudes in blue
frickin based bro. 10/10 would play against
>Cobra/GI Joe tabletop
OH YES
>show rules
Nobody dies, all shots miss but hit objects or weapons.
If a gi Joe unit makes it into melee combat with a cobra unit it is automatically destroyed and the cobra army must make full run moves towards the nearest table edge
Bit insulting to the gi Joe toys man
that's cool as shit
It looks leagues better than space marine vehicles
Those are definitely Orks camouflaging as spass marines
Except ork vehicles actually look good
I can't wait for the orange chainsaws.
My brother in christ, translucent orange chainswords would be selling like hot nuns on Sunday morning, cause it's an awesome idea
Dangerously b
ased.
Frick, now I want an army of these dudes.
Paint skitarii in this color scheme, with 3d-printed visors and weapons from translucent orange plastic. The results would be close enough.
how will warhammer recover
I swear, if they had only given the Taurox wheels, it would be a pretty decent model.
Taurox, Numarines, AdMech hover tank and now these moronic bolters. What is with them making models with guns that literally can't be aimed or used?
Shit, the guns on the taurox blow the doors off if you fire them. .
Hi newbie. Hull weapons are a staple of 40k design.
Old school designs have them pintle mounted, not welded to a bumper moron. And i've probably been playing 40k since before you were born, i doubt there are that many 53 year olds around here..
that shit has been fixed in place for over 25 years. quit pretending GW was ever not moronic
Wait you think the chimera heavy bolter is supposed to be fixed in place? How fricking stupid are you?
Would the fixed guns on the space marine bikes make you happier? The cannon on the vindicator? The bright lances on eldar skimmers? The underslung guns on the land speeders? 40k has a ton of vehicles that could only aim their guns by steering
Bad argument. Fixed guns make sense for things fast enough to confidently move towards the thing they're shooting and break off fighter jet style. It does not make sense for large low to the ground vehicles whose primary goal is not fast attack.
>Would the fixed guns on the space marine bikes make you happier?
The ones attached to the handlebars that turn?
>The cannon on the vindicator?
Casemate guns can still traverse.
>The bright lances on eldar skimmers?
The one mounted on the manned turret on a Wyper or Wave Serpent?
>The underslung guns on the land speeders?
The ones that are shown to be able to traverse?
I'm still not sure it's a good idea to put a flamethrower on something as fast as a landspeeder.
>fixed guns on bike
The bike is firing where it is pointing you absolute moron, it couldn't be otherwise, same with any fast vehicle where the gun is aimed like a fighter plane
>landspeeders
These obviously traverse and are aimed by the gunner, how the frick is that not immediately obvious? I first saw a landspeeder when I was seven and knew what it did
>the vindicator
A massive assault gun that has to remain in place to fire has no need to traverse either. Are your parents brother and sister or something anon? Do you also think the tracks are stationary because they don't move?
>The cannon on the vindicator
based off real world vehicle used in WW2 you moronic c**t-shit
Fun fact, anon: Early M4 Shermans had, on top fo the ball mounted machine gun for the hull machine gunner, a twin set of fixed machine guns the driver would operate and aim by turning the tank left and right (and remember, a tank can turn on the stop, a wheeled vehicle has some problems doing the same). Guess which machine guns were dropped from the final version (as well as from the M3 Lee) for being dumb as frick?
All the Chimera hull guns are on a mount that can be turned. That's why they got that canvas covering, to stop dust and crap from getting into the working bits, like how some tanks have cavas covering on the mantlet for the same reason.
>(and remember, a tank can turn on the stop
Not every tank can do this, and Shermans could not.
Besides, not every sherman model had these, and later models certainly had not. Sticking machine guns onto every tank was an american early war doctrine that lead to nowhere.
Basically what I was going to post. The vehicles all look like rush jobs.
That's a great example of the other guy's point because even though on the model that hull weapon is fixed in position it at least looks like a functioning hull mount that can traverse and change elevation
The bolters on the Sagitaur look like they can at least rotate, though not far.
dont forget that moronic scout dread walker thing
Feels like they're trying to do AT-43 or Maschinen Krieger adjacent designs in an attempt to give them different design language.
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At the very least it looks like it can drive 100 feet without falling apart like most warhammer vehicles do
Wait, but that's rad. Reminds me of some of the middle-era Lego Space vehicles.
I'm all for the NASA-design cues, sets them apart from the other faction while still retaining the faux-futurism that warhammer DAoT Trch has
Warhammer DAoT tech never had a "faux-futurism" aesthetic until the AdMech debacle. We already knew what DAoT tech looked like before - it looked like the existing 40K model line, because most of the vehicles that already existed were STC designs and so *were DAoT tech*.
All this NASA-meets-Iron Giant wank is garbage for zoomzoom homosexuals.
The only people who say shit like Zoomzoom are people who came over to /tg/ when Dawn of War came out.
Aka literal newbies.
Try again zoomzoom gaygoid mcgee, I started out with 4th Ed WHFB and I wasn't even a cool enough teenager to take a break for a booze and b***hes phase. You and your shitty taste are repulsive to grogs, pseudogrogs, neogrogs, pretty much everyone who's not a broccoli-headed living advertisement for allowing abortion.
How do you say JOHN MADDEN in squattish?
Urist Madden
Nice reference btw
>Whats going on
Typical fricking Nu-GW being so fricking outta touch with their player base and internet culture they dont understand contextand nuance of a joke/gag.
I garun-fricking-te you, what happen was some moron that browses reddit at work all day was the one who suggested they bring squats back and model them after DRG. Failing to fricking realize that A) squats for the most part were just a meme not an actual request. and B) the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
GW is just fricking outta touch with the player base that actually got them to where they are today, and the cracks in pandering to the masses who have the attention span of a fricking lobotomized chipmunk is starting to show.
HH is basically proof that the old guard that want the in depth rules and granular detail of the game, and the grim dark griddyness of the orignal setting are the ones going to be spending big fricking bucks on their products when they give them what they want. For christ sake look at the HH page on GWs sites, whats outta stock? Mk4 and Mk3 the multi pose models and they have been outta stock since HH launched, Drop pods, Kratos, Deimos rhino, special weaons upgrades.
All the old school shit is selling so fast they cant fricking keep up with it.
GW is dethatched from reality and their marketing base, and this ugly fricking model is proof of it.
They're modelled after the admech DAOT shit like the kastellans not after DRG moron
Squats seem to be GW returning to the old Men of Stone lore.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Men_of_Stone
Essentially genetically engineered "clones" made by DAOT supercomputers which imo, is genuinely a great take on the faction, way better than what the og squats were.
Lmao no, it’s shit and no one cares about lore if the minis are trash
Only fricking homosexuals wanted the gay biker manlets from mars back.
Og squats were fricking trash, and got canned for a reason. Their aesthetics were utter fricking garbage and only homosexuals with zero aesthetic tastes would have ever liked them.
They were trashed because they did not work outside of epic.
Their entire mechanic was meconized trains and vehicles which works fine in epic, but fails in 40k.
These things are some of the most ugly fricking models i have seen for 40k and thats saying a lot considering we still have the Khorne berzerkers in 40k still.
I fully expect this line to flounder very very quickly, fricking quicker then sister did because just like sisters, GW does not realize that most people actually dont want squats they just think they are lol funny space dwarves.
And nobody wanted those gay space bikers back because they looked like fricking trash in epic as well.
If you ever liked the original squats you are a homosexual who probably takes it up the ass at the local biker club.
Anon the word projection is bandied about a lot but I can literally smell your internet history from here, just accept your true nature
Do you really think it’s impossible to have a vehicle heavy faction in 40k what are you even saying
You are a minority of a minority why are you acting like GW changing Squats from a literal joke is some grand conspiracy? Relax they’re just toys
>These things are some of the most ugly fricking models i have seen for 40k and thats saying a lot considering we still have the Khorne berzerkers in 40k still.
Murder Bunnies are adorable though
I would like some heavy industrial armored “trains” to make an appearance at some point.
Especially if they are trackless and powered by electromagnet psify gibberish.
ESPECIALLY if they are GSC.
> sisters
> flounder
The sister starter bundle alone made enough for pay for the entire fricking line.
>I fully expect this line to flounder very very quickly, fricking quicker then sister did
That is probably the largest concentration of pure, unrefined copium I've seen this year.
Sister sales are second only to space marines despite far fewer boxes and shelf space. Wtf are you on about?
Almost every new release looks like dog shit; literal sci-fi stock images, bland and interchangeable between this game or that. You couldn't even describe what is unique about nu-squats.
The guy that did Perturabo as well. Many such cases.
Anon pls its ok, show me on this doll where bad man put his hand on you.
moron everyone who wanted squats back wanted that aesthetic back, cos that’s the only squat aesthetic there was
The OG squats were fricking moronic and only contrarian homosexuals pretend that there was anything good in the homosexual boomer bikers in space aesthetic the Squats had.
The current space race/nasapunk dwarves look is way better. The only aspect where they really suck thus far are the faces on the squats. The female faces are horrid, and even the male faces are rather shit imo.
Also the helmets having little eyes looks goofy, it would be better if they were just dome like things or some shit.
>The female faces are horrid
As they should be.
>even the male faces are rather shit
Nah they look pretty good.
>Also the helmets having little eyes looks goofy
Nah
Better a homosexual biker boomer than a slack-jawed NASA homosexual.
>Failing to fricking realize that A) squats for the most part were just a meme not an actual request.
No, people actually want squats, the specialist games sculpts are fantastic
>the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
This is correct, I don't know what half this shit is but it's not fricking space dwarfs
> the squats that people actually wanted were the biker train dwarfs not this fricking DRG ripoff.
Pretty much, I would have got some quilted jacket lasgun guys made in the necromunda dwarf style, even some trikes just cos they are silly, but this shit? lmao not a fricking chance
Kino, that's what. Gonna make my Squats into a mixture of Starcraft Terrans and asteroid miners.
>Gonna make my Squats into a mixture of Starcraft Terrans and asteroid miners.
Gonna make my Squats into a Pygmy army, I'll print Tyrone's head for all of them, try and stop me.
Weren't the Pygmies bald in their final incarnation? The originals that weren't complete racist caricatures did have some hair, but the second, more infamous versions were all hairless.
do it you fricking pussy, I know you won't.
So you're gonna do nothing at all with them?
Imma make em into Terran Marines, so mostly just modify their helmets a bit.
Lol. I hope DRG re looking at suing them. But i guess GW will get away with stealing yet another product.
Who?
I think they mean Deep Rock Galactic, some indie game about space dwarf miners.
at this point blizzard and gw ripping off one another is symbiotic
With the helmets they will look breddy good. Ya can paint them gritty... I am gonna do that.
How are these not Terran dudes from Starcraft? That middle bottom picture couldn't be more similar to their armor and helmets. What a shitty update.
Look here new hoe, StarCraft is literally a hard ripoff of 40k, same with warcraft stuff. They're not both ripping each other off
Please do tell me what Blizzard stole from GW that GW hadn't already stolen from somewhere else.
Marines n tyranids plus warhammer fantasy shit, cope harder if that's your homosexual ass defense.
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that are at all original: Chaos (except Beastmen, who are Broo, and Khorne Daemons, who are generic), Skaven, the idea of big burly stupid and green Orcs.
Things in Warhammer Fantasy that Blizzard didn’t steal: Chaos, Skaven.
The only remotely original thing Blizzard stole from WFB was their Orc aesthetic.
What about steampunky tech like tanks and gyrocopters, and widespread use of primitive gunpowder weapons? Was this done in fantasy before WFB?
The Dark Tower maybe?
>Marines
Judge Dreed comics
> tyranids
Aliens
>plus warhammer fantasy shit
Elric of Melniboné, D&D, Tolkien, Conan, WoT etc....
Not sure if trolling but tyranids kinda are unique. Even drawing on other stuff (like most things)they're not a straight copy of anything.
They're xenomorphs+arachnids+dinosaurs that lean hard into the tech side of biotech.
It's not 100% gws idea but they've ended up with something relatively distinct and novel in scifi.
>tyranids kinda are unique.
the concept of organic guns is, although you can see different animals/bugs launching poison spores and other shits and I think I've seen claws with the hormagaunt shape too. Most of the base army >Hormagaunt, Termagant, Warriors, Ravener, are literally Aliens with that shit, and you have the Rippers too.
organic guns were taken from HR Giger's works, just like many other things
example of an organic gun in Giger's works please? All I can remember is picrel.
I can't find an easy example right now, but I'd swear i've seen Giger paintings mixing guns with alien biomechanic aesthetics
I mean technically he painted mostly penises and giant tubes or veganas. This is in line with the rape themes in alien and tyranids shooting alien goo out of penis guns.
still here. Still waiting
NTA but does this count? Probably closest I could find of a giger biologic/metal gun fuse. Honestly the only other explicit gun I could find is.. A very realistic pump shotgun. I don't personally have a horse in this race, I'm just trying to help.
Sardaukar, arachnids and tolkien. Dilate was correct answer to your zoomer speak right?
>Things in Warhammer Fantasy that are at all original: Chaos
Moorwiener.
>green Orcs.
Green Goblin from Spider-Man.
>Skaven
The Rats from James Herbert?
Don't forget to cope
As weird as it sounds, I don't have a problem with this. They look like Astronauts from old school science fiction.
Yeah, I love them when helmeted. Without they look terrible and I think it's the lack of beards. I might cast the helmet repeatedly or just green stuff some massive beards. Not sure yet.
So do old smace marines, but Armored Trooper VOTANNS don't look anything like them.
With Space Marines I see more of a medieval knight than anything else, save for Heinlein's power armor. These guys are more akin to modern astronauts and the how the 50s envisioned the World of Tomorrow. And their society really reminds me of a Philip K. Dick novel.
I wish their armour had more greeble on them. Even basic old marines have a little paneling and plugs and such on them. Simple diamond stitch on their clothes would help associate them more with Squats. Just little stuff like that.
>look guys I matched the poses so that means they look the same
lol
No the dorfs look way more like those than the beakies do, just with squatter proportions.
The left and right of that picture look nothing alike. What am I supposed to see? The hose from mouth to suit being a beakie? The different visors being the same? Pauldrons being round therefore shoulders?
Ok, explain how Votanns are anything like modern space suits. Big helmet and tank on the back? Woo...
Personally I prefer old squat look like this
but I would love to see more retro scifi art being made into minis. I don't care if some guy carbon copies art from a 70's magazine and manufactures them I just want that old art style on the board
I have not felt the same burning hatred /40kg/ and others on /tg/ have felt for the squataan
While it is massively gay that the biker dude squats have been made a minor necromunda faction while the new nasapunk votaan take their place as a proper army, I'm mostly enjoying the new models
Not quite ideal but maybe if the necromunda ones keep getting models there'll be enough to combine with some votan conversions to make a throwback squat 500-1k point list or something with relatively minor effort
Is this the thread where people pretend that they totally cared about the literal gay midget space bikers that GW killed because nobody cared about them?
huh...must be the only thing from votann that I like how it looks
Same feel
Jesus, I didn't think I'd be feeling this much nostalgia over this.
Fricking loved legos.
You take that back, you butthole. Ice Planet was cool as frick, and if the Votann actually looked like that, I might just buy an army.
Ice planet was pathetic, you just was young and your incel heart connects lego with better times
>your incel heart connects lego with better times
My childhood was not a better time, so that definitely isn't the case.
Trips of truth, legos had options before now its p2f crap.
>Ice planet was pathetic
t.
Holy frick anon you had better turn down the valve a bit, your copium is beginning to leak all the way into my room.
Twll me with a clear conscience i am wrong and you fricks aren't just nostalgic.
Cause the amount of copium from oldhammer gays is sad
Bit more like picrel to me.
Rock Riders had Squat feels
How hard could it be to make 3d sculpts of rock raiders stuff? I absolutely loved the vidya as a kid, it'd be amazing to field them in 40k
Man I loved Rock Raiders
>its their chosen profession
All this comment did was remind us the designers are bad at their job and are too blind to realize it. Yeah it may be your "chosen profession" but people choose careers that they aren't good at then they quit. A snide comment doesn't change the fact not everyone is cut out for the profession they seek
Power Miners just upped the aesthetic and felt even more 40k to me.
Shame, Squats could have been handled to me more rugged and cool.
>Power Miners just upped the aesthetic and felt even more 40k to me.
Now if we're talking about 40k looking themes, then Nexo Knights deserves a mention. The concept art isn't exactly subtle about the inspiration.
Those are literal fricking orks, One has a power klaw!
They even have a fricking night goblin and their Ork symbol.
yup. Top left dude here is straight up wearing a chaos jump pack.
Bottom right is straight up just a bloodletter with a flamerthrower, and the lich and vampire look straight out of warhamer fantasy
even worse, they have top knots!
>Infinitely cooler than 40K
kek how does that feel, manchildren?
You know that meme about your parents not getting you something you want because you have the knock off at home? If there was a 40k lego set, this would be the 40k legos at home.
Damn South Park you start up stole that design
Wait, South Park stole that design? When?
Olde episode when Hippies invade south park.
Before it got so fricking political
Oh yeah actually, the extra bulk on those vehicles (as compared to older lines) would be perfect for making tabletop models. Time to learn how to make 3d models I guess, I want to make sqauts inspired by generations of lego
Nexo knights released when I was not really keeping up with lego anymore, so I never knew what it really was. That concept art almost makes me sad I missed out on it
Stop complaining chud. It is deboonked that thry look like shit. Listen to the experts.
Anon are you having a stroke? I never said anything looked like shit. I'm just overly nostalgic for the aesthetic of lego kits from my childhood.
Also not gonna spend money on GW frick that, I'll just proooont
That's just even more embarassing
Squats are in a hard place because the 'Stealer Cult took the miner theme and they can't just be spess dorfs
Too bad they made starcraft.
Eh, Starcraft was rednecks in space, which sort of fits their older aesthetic.
I do want more orange transparent chainsaw shit though.
I think the problem is deeper than that. Every faction in 40k tries to have its own basic form language, and most of the "classic" ones are already taken. To simplify: Imperium is rivets and hard angles, Chaos is the same but with spikes, Orks is uneven and ramshackle, Eldar is oval and smooth, Deldar is oval and spiky, Necrons are geometric shapes etc. Every new faction needs to invent its own style. GSC and Mechanicus are technically part of the Imperium (or at least their gear are), so it's okay to have overlap there. But squats with their new background need to look different from that and also not too alien. So they have this style that looks to be somewhere between Tau and Imperium in terms of design language.
based M-Tron
The only thing to rival the Orange Transparent Chainsaw is the Neon Green Laser Beam.
Thank you, this is the point where I can objectively say people at /tg/ are terribly biased towards nostalgia factor no matter how much verbal abuse and mental gymnastics they are going to throw at this comment.
As for the new design, I find it ok, I believe larger wheels would have favoured, but it certainly looks better than the taurox and slightly more reasonable than the chimera in terms of mobility although it's still bad in terms of an IFV.
>better than taurox
>better than chimaera
>better than go kart
>better than hover tank
>you are still complaining
As a general rule GW models could be nice, except they often make some terrible frickup which are visually or mechanically annoying, is not like we can't fix it but people are not always in the mood to kitbash stuff.
I mean, if it took that post to tell you that, you're very new. Transparent orange chainsaws have been a board staple since quite possibly before you were born.
Why is transparent orange so cool?
aeiou
Seems like GW decided to give Squ-, I mean Votann an astronaut aesthetic, like this reminds me of a moon rover and other models made me think of them as astronauts, even the terran marine ones, so that's what is going on with this line
Kinda weird, but gotta make armies recognizable I suppose
>squats were known for bikes and buggies
>dwarfs are known for mining and using tools (like axes, picks and hammers) as weapons
So what does GW do? Give bikes, buggies and mining tools as weapons to Genestealer Cultists, and make space dwarfs into manlet Tau humans. Should've just used them as Demiurg Tau auxiliaries and let the stunties rest in pieces.
GW wanted to do something with squats. FW goes and makes squats in Necromunda. GW gets so fannyflustered they remake the squats into votann and declare the necromunda squats a separate species.
FW is GW, brainlet
Different departments, dipshit. From a business sense it's competition and wasted resources. Its the toaster vs vacuum story.
>GW gets so fannyflustered they remake the squats into votann and declare the necromunda squats a separate species.
I'd say it's more race than species, anon.
>Lightyear toys selling so poorly they have to sell then as Warhammer minis
I mean, fricking bravo on how huge the profit margin will be at that point, but it's a little too obvious isn't it?
This unironically makes me think of those onions bottles.
We fisher price now
Are you gays really going to make a dozen crybaby tantrum threads with every new squat release? You honestly deserve your homosexual Beardaxe McBeardbeard maymay tricycle faction getting monkey paw butchered if you're going to piss and shit like this over every single model.
It's part of GW's marketing to ensure every warhammer community post gets its own thread
12 y/o me loved these aesthetics, so maybe this is cool with present day 12 y/os
Present day 12 y/os are drugged out of their minds and unable to formulate thoughts unacceptable to their overlords. This stuff is approved by committee based on sales trends, and Votann NASApunk aesthetic is reflective of the current treatment of science as a new religion.
granpa forgot to take his pills again
let him rant against his fantasies, it's all he has
simp ass Black person.
>NOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THINGS! JUST EAT THE BUGS GOY!
Are these random strawmen of generic disenfranchised concern your only means of communication? Because nothing you say seem to have any correlation with what is being discussed, you're just letting your misguided anxieties spew loosely like some sort of incontinent boomer cartoonist.
>science as a new religion.
Not with the shit funding we give schools.
Actually that might be the problem, we can't teach kids to properly understand and apply scientific thinking and the scientific method, so we just tell them trust it instead.
You pretty much have to just trust at some point, because nobody can get deep enough on to every field to have the neccessary background information to understand the explanation. So we have millions of people that have misremembered surface level explanations they learnt sometimes decades ago, which they then trust more than the experts on field. There is lots to criticize in pop science and poor science journalism, but too often laymen engaging in "scientific thinking" just disbelieve for no good reason.
I agree to a degree, but I think what anon
was also hitting on is "peer reviewed studies" where bias can easily be passed as fact. For examples on bias in studies, look at "health" studies and who they are funded by. The studies on Covid vaccine efficacy were funded by you guessed it, covid vaccine manufacturers who have a lot riding on a positive review. On that same rabbit hole, the news stations reporting on and effectively advertising these vaccines are also funded by the same vaccine manufacturers.
>TL:DR When you interpret information, understanding the motivations for why the information is being provided is key.
>Ex: Games Workshop says their paints are the best for Warhammer 40,000 miniatures. Is that truly because they believe that these paints are the best product for painting miniatures? Or are they trying to sell you overpriced paint to net themselves a profit? Understanding what motivates Games Workshop to advertise their paints helps bring additional understanding to their statements when in reality they are fully aware they purposely use faulty paint containers different from every other miniature paint to dry out your paints sooner and thus sell more overpriced paint.
They're ironically suppressing information that Covid brain damages many of the people it infects. Apparently a lot of people have developed a form of psychosis in the past year or two which explains why everyone thinks Joe is coming to personally smell their hair at any moment.
>"Oh Jeff was right about you... Get over here!"
I hate dwarves (not matter how much GW tries to tone their dwarfishness down it will never be enough for me) but I like astronauts and robots so nu-Squats are leaving me pretty conflicted
This image is the best feeling this range gives me
arent these guys supposed to be using super advanced artifact tech.
they should bascially be custode dwarfs
Holy damn. Creeks and Crawdads. I have a fricking playtest copy of that thing.
Wasn’t expecting to see that today.
do you frickers REALLY need to make a thread for every new model previewed?
REEAALLY?
The article says it transports people.
Where is the entry/exit for the transported unit
On the back of the model.
Though I have to wonder how finished the model is, when they only showed it from one side and the front left wheel is a copy and paste of one of the right wheels.
the only israelite involved in GW is Abnett and he isn't involved in anything outside of novels
>Starcraft Marines
>Mass Effect vehicles
what next?
That little Halo flyer. Not the Pelican transport, but the gunship that can fit dudes sitting on the sides.
>Casemate guns
The Hornet?
Ignore the greentext, I forgot I looked it up.
My gun knowledge is severely lacking
Those aren't on a casemate, and you're ignoring a point many people have grought up in this thread: Ground vehicle. Horne is a skimmer, it flies. Fixed guns on a chopper or a fighter work. Fixed guns on a ground vehicle, even on a tracked one, not so much. Best you can find is the Swedish s-tank (and to some extend that one experimental German twin-gun thing, though I believe that only locked the traverse, not elevation), and that was the main gun, around which the whole tank was built. You can't do that on a wheeled vehicle, especially one when it's not even the main gun. You fall into the same problem as the early M3s and 4s, as the driver is strafing the enemy with machine gun fire, he's throwing off everyone else's aim.
They could've fixed it literally by putting the guns even on a little turret, like on the Tau Devilfish or Pirahna. Or don't put fixed nose machine guns on your damn car and put them on a pintle up top, where the top dome is. If you want to keep the dome, put them on a bomber style domed turret.
Even if you don't have the driver swerving left and right to spray bullets the fixed guns could only hit someone standing still on a perfectly flat recently mown lawn. Quite absurd it ever was put into production. It's terrible that GW keep doing it and people somehow keep defending it. This squat thingie us the ugliest vehicle since the taurox as well which doesn't help.
I think the aiming is the lesser problem than the damage that driving offroad is going to inflict on the barrels. Little (and not so little) stones, dirt, etc, all getting into them.
What I don't get is the roll cage. What is it supposed to do? Looks like it wouldn't protect the wienerpit anyway.
Still looking awesome. Wonder if it will be usable in gorkamunda.
As well as any collision or uneven terrain smashing them to bits. It's just very silly
The falcon?
I get what they're trying to go for, since nu-squats actually have some kind of STC's their tech is meant to look a little more advanced and high tech than the imperium's, the problem is they're very inconsistent with it
>Looking at you hover trike
Hover trike makes sense if they kept to the original lore of squat homeworlds covered in metal sand "seas" that shredded the frick out of tires. It doesn't mesh with the Sagitaur having wheels though.
Maybe they intend LoV to be a return to Oldhammer marines with small flying vehicles and big ground vehicles. Only instead of Landspeeder, Rhino, Land Raider it's Landspeeder, Razorback, Land Raider.
You people aren't thinking of a 5-10 year business plan. They're shooting their load on the tech DRG dwarves first because it's the riskier design. Then they're doubling down on the bait by releasing "real Squats" via Necromunda but not in the classic style people claim to want. This is the New Coke marketing formula where they're using the hype to pump sales and if the ruse works they can bank roll it into a double dip with a "proper Squat" 40k army down the line.
You know New Coke cost the CCC the war, right?
Ugly as shit models
Bloated ruleset
Gameplay slower than death by cancer
Outrageously expensive
Won’t be buying, sorry not sorry
I blame some of the squat dislike on gw's terrible paintjob.
Its entirely based on the fact that they have no dwarven runes, almost no beards, and they don't fit their old motif at all.
With the exception of the original models that were released in the board game they are not Squats, they're some troons bastardized fan fic.
It's disgusting when the dogshit designs of AoS dwarves looks more like squats than what the actual squat models look like.
Considering how old the squat lore is, everything else has changed dramatically as the tone of the game has shifted. Why shouldn't the squats? Just because you want the theme to match up with DeepRockGalactic so you can meme all your squat characters names as Karl
Now I'm seeing complaints they look too much like DRG, and complaints they dont look enough like it.
This is why you dont ask fans shit.
The original Necromunda model that started the Squat revival proved that the old aesthetic still works with modern sculpting.
Are the older style squats still part of the canon or have they been retconned completely?
>old aesthetic
where?
Are you blind?
Maybe, can you tell me what is the common aesthetic?
Helmet, padding...
Seriously, get new glasses, granpa.
Glasses over the helmet
Helmet is more a firefight
Padding doesnt go over the arms
They mini is taller, goddamnit, its more a short human
Laser rifle
Beard size
Are you on a spectrum perchance?
NTA, but I think you might be being disingenuous saying that there is no aesthetic link between the classic Squat design and the Necromunda squat redesign shown in
>Shoulder mounted equipment
>Nice beard
>Padded clothing
>Dem shades
The influences seem readily apparent, and it feels like you have to be intentionally nitpicky to say they aren't.
Can we just take a moment of silence for what could have been
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I want to smash them with a hammer.
Post minis
Bitter shill, many such cases, sad!
You're the one shilling, though
Your virgin arms couldn't lift the hammer.
Even then, chad squats > your hammer.
I really fricking hate that aesthetic. It looks so fricking moronic.
I'm pretty sure you can still find gay leatherdaddy midget porn on the internet, anon.
Guessing this is OOP?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Grendl-Grendlsen-Squat-Bounty-Hunter-2018
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ragnir-Gunnstein-Squat-Ammojack-2019
looks like a kids RC car
>People keep crying about Squats
>That one faction that GW dropped because they felt it looked like nothing but stupid toys
>GW releases Squats
>They look like nothing but stupid toys
You expected something different?
Yes. The original squats had a sort of viking/ancestor worship thing going on, lots of intricately decorated gear that set them apart from all the other armies. These squats look more like slightly shorter Primaris in style.
It's strange they haven't copied the old helmets, aside from the necromunda guy. It's the one element of the old squats that stands out very clearly, especially now that the imperial guard have moved away from it.
It's a shame, the big pilot-visor aesthetic is great.
Are you purposefully lying or just moronic? Because these squats have that shit too, and their design style is very different from primaris.
>lots of intricately decorated gear
which is conveniently absent in your picture
>that guy has a mask and horns!
then the decorations on the heavy armours of votann count too
>4
obviosuly mexicans derisnged it op you frick
Seems 50-60s NASA style.
>stls
>People whining about Squats having a NASApunk aesthetic
>The same people use terms like Zoomer to refer to it
I like it, it's a unique aesthetic that fits in with the connection to engineering and technology being at the core of their design. It also has tons of room to allow more dwarfy designs to be put onto the machines by yourself if you want to hobbycraft them.
..Is that the issue? Are all these people complaining so devoid of actual imagination they see something designed with a blank canvas and they complain about it? My only issue is the lack of Scout-like bomber jacket Dorfs so I can make a roughneck army.
Jesus Christ you people are idiots. It's clearly based on this kind of vehicle, just like their base infantry is clearly wearing a spacesuit. They're Void dwellers. The visual motif they're going for is quite clear and they're obviously trying to downplay the Dwarves in space element.
Ah, yes, the famous NASA armoured combat car.
>they're obviously trying to downplay the Dwarves in space element.
Yeah, why do you think people hate it?
I think it looks cool. Apart from fixed front feels and twin heavy bolters.
What do anons think it should've looked like? Is Forge Father Hultr more like it?
I only have one real complaint, where the frick is the staring column?
The only people interested in votan armies in my FGS are going to use the AoS steampunk dwarves and convert/print whatever can't be counted as.
You'd think you'd expect the universally negative reactions you get by now.
Go "battle" your boogeyman offscreen in the sec8 shithole you fill with pissbottles.
Complete homosexual.
I don't dislike it. It looks better than something like the Taurox,at least. Though it feels to me more like an Admech explorator vehicle than a space dwarf one.
Though it seems the look they're going for with the new Squats is space-miners, who also happen to be dwarves, instead of going all-out on the dwarf part. Which is why I think a lot of people are disappointed with the models. When GW said they were bringing back the Squats, a lot of people wanted updated sculpts of the old-school models, or WHFB dwarves with power-axes and bolters, not fairly generic looking armored space suit guys who just happen to be shorter than average and have a few runes or other viking elements on a few models.
It's just a rehash of the old trukk
Looks a lot better like this
polishing a turd is wasted effort
The back turret window thing needs to go and the gun should be centered and tidied up
some blue is missing.
Choo-choo!
atvs are really annoying with their oversaturation lately and i thought the nusquats would have a giant bulky tank
It's their fast attack transport, they'll still have a giant bulky tank
this actually looks really fricking cool.
but
it doesn't look like a WH40K vehicle...
I love models I can proxy with a 15 dollar Tonka Truck or a Lego spaceman set from 2012.
looks inspired by real life rovers. Me gusta.
Bringing back Squats would be a good move (for once) on GW's part. Much better than NuCrons, primaris, and other bad lore.
*Happy Van Saar noises*
It just needs a few spider legs.
Orange mixed with glazing medium should result in trans-orange, right? Will it look good on windows?
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Yknow I've never seen it tried but I might give it a go on an ork bommer i've got sitting around and find out
Trans orange are real orange!
Orange, man. Bad.
Orange lives matter!
Fuegan Orange (Or whatever the contrast color is)would work as well.
This thread mostly reminds me of how I used to refer to it as "Rock Raiders Syndrome" when younger people have intense nostalgia for what you considered as when a franchise turned to shit.
See also 7th/8th edition WFB. Or post(1986)-movie Transformers like Rodimus Prime.
Vibe seems to be retro space exploration aesthetics with some dwarf stuff attached. The comparisons to old LEGO space stuff are pretty apt because the designs in that theme were kind of ambiguous as to whether they were exploration or combat vehicles.
Impractical gun placements and front wheels unable to steer aside, I actually like it. I just never really like dwarves so whatever.