He was just trying to be a good father in a world that's gone to shit, but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute, his son was a moron, and he was surrounded by people he knew would leave him to be devoured alive if it was even remotely convenient for them to do so.
I may be misremembering, it's been ages since I played this, but I think she ends up fricking someone else.
Or maybe I'm getting mixed up with the TV show, I dunno
>but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
I don't remember that. His wife killed herself because their son was a moron and got bitten.
Ah, yeah, you guys are correct, I remember now. Yeah, honestly I can't really blame her. All that effort to keep your tard alive only for him to get chomped as soon as you turn your back for just a few minutes.
Literally nothing, he's a strong, family first kind of guy who understands that most people are looking out for themselves and probably won't go out of their way to protect his family who are complete strangers.
Kenny's a reliable and friendly guy who did nothing wrong. I find it funny how in the next season the writers tried really, really hard to make Kenny come off as more unhinged and make him out to be a 'bad guy' (not a villain or antagonist), but Kenny was such a beloved character and ironically the stuff he got really angry and obsessed about in season 2 are all things most of the playerbase agreed with and emphasized with given what happened to him in the previous season.
I may be misremembering, it's been ages since I played this, but I think she ends up fricking someone else.
Or maybe I'm getting mixed up with the TV show, I dunno
Katjaa's faithful and never cheated on him, unless I'm missing out on some side material or some shit.
>Huge, stocky, strong man has a fricking heart attack and you're locked in a room with him >He's going to turn and then you'll be in the room with a huge, stocky, strong zombie >"You don't know he would have been dead! People survive heart attacks through CPR all the time!"
I think that part is supposed to be unclear because his voice is nasally similar to how Walkers resurrect. And to be honest the games, comics, TV shows are never ever consistent on these things. I mean in the TV show the walkers are running and sprinting and have some weird sense of humor see glen nodding to a walker in season 1. After that they're slow and traditionally zombie like.
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the walkers in season 1 were weird as frick, in the first episode there's just some random zombie that is just following rick around and looking at him, not even trying to catch him or anything like it was curious about what was going on. wish they kept the walkers weird like that, would've made the show more interesting
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Yea Walkers were originally going to be more intelligent, like you said in season 1 you see them doing shit like using rocks to break open windows and climb up ladders. But when they swapped directors they scrapped that idea
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I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the approach because of budget reasons. You can't have distinctive zombies / fan favorite's because that means that you need to pay the extra's more. Basic cynical entertainment bullshit.
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Yea Walkers were originally going to be more intelligent, like you said in season 1 you see them doing shit like using rocks to break open windows and climb up ladders. But when they swapped directors they scrapped that idea
I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the approach because of budget reasons. You can't have distinctive zombies / fan favorite's because that means that you need to pay the extra's more. Basic cynical entertainment bullshit.
I think the best plot excuse a writer could come up with is that walkers deteriorate over time so their muscles would fall apart which is realistic to some degree but the problem is walkers newly made are also slow and dumb etc.
His logic was sound. The man was having a heart attack, there were strong odds he wasn't going to make it and the dude was huge so if he'd gotten back up they wouldn't be coming out unscathed. He was a bit hasty in his execution, but you can't fault his logic.
Literally nothing, he's a strong, family first kind of guy who understands that most people are looking out for themselves and probably won't go out of their way to protect his family who are complete strangers.
Kenny's a reliable and friendly guy who did nothing wrong. I find it funny how in the next season the writers tried really, really hard to make Kenny come off as more unhinged and make him out to be a 'bad guy' (not a villain or antagonist), but Kenny was such a beloved character and ironically the stuff he got really angry and obsessed about in season 2 are all things most of the playerbase agreed with and emphasized with given what happened to him in the previous season.
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Katjaa's faithful and never cheated on him, unless I'm missing out on some side material or some shit.
It was an incredibly forced conflict, but I honestly see what they were TRYING to do. Kenny and Jane represented two opposing philosophies. Kenny was all about family, attachments, the group, and loyalty. Jane was about self preservation, distance, guardedness, pragmatism. But it stumbled because Clem wouldn't be alive without Kenny's values, without people like him and Lee looking out for her.
Jane tried to manipulate everyone against Kenny and she got what she deserved.
He deserved it but considering Lee’s backstory, it is kind of the final Frick You to Larry trying to save him because he was so convinced you were a unrepentant murderer; it’s like you’re proving him wrong by trying to save him even though we have every reason to drop a block on his head in front of his screaming daughter
Old c**t was a huge butthole to Lee and Kenny, plus his daughter who is equally a c**t betrays you no matter what, Kenny was right. Frick them.
That is the point, the entirety of Lee's group were people who stood together for mere convenience, they never liked each other so Kenny didn't feel any remorse in killing the rude boomer c**t at the first opportunity that appeared. In retrospect it makes him kind of a c**t for expecting Lee to always care for his family without thinking twice
>In retrospect it makes him kind of a c**t for expecting Lee to always care for his family without thinking twice
He returns the favor if you do though, and that's part of what makes him so likable. You show him loyalty and he shows it back.
I’m pretty sure everyone was more or less cool with one another outside of Larry and Lily, I mean Kenny had that shit with Ben but outside of that they were more or less chill.
>I mean Kenny had that shit with Ben but outside of that they were more or less chill.
And that was because Ben was fricking useless and constantly endangering others, including children. Kenny never did anything wrong.
>I find it funny how in the next season the writers tried really, really hard to make Kenny come off as more unhinged and make him out to be a 'bad guy' (not a villain or antagonist), but Kenny was such a beloved character and ironically the stuff he got really angry and obsessed about in season 2 are all things most of the playerbase agreed with and emphasized with given what happened to him in the previous season.
i think season 2 suffered from multiple rewrites as it went on, see also the title cards that got changed
Season 2 suffered because every character had to treat the 12 year old girl as the responsible decision maker and then go along with everything as if it was perfectly rational for grown adults to be doing that. Luke should have been the MC.
I mean, Kenny shows how much of a good guy he is if in all of his endings, where he outright thanks Clem for shooting him or sacrifices himself for her.
I can emphasize with Kenny but the guy is still a ticking time bomb. He has way too much trauma to deal with which means that he's unrealiable. This is evident when he meets Clementine again and despite the heartfelt reunion he instantly goes back to being a brooding and paranoid butthole. Why? Because Clementine reminds him of everything that happened and that's why he constantly blows up when Clementine and the crew associated with her doesn't follow his every whim. Kenny was too far gone even if you see glimpses of his former self now and then.
>but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
What? Kat is one of the purest characters in the entire setting. Forget cheating, she doesn't even say anything bad about anyone besides Lilly.
The second game had amateur tier writing >russian guys show up out of nowhere trying to rob your group >in a setting where everyone is already on the edge because fricking zombies >everyone sides with Arvo and treats Kenny like a lunatic - even though it makes perfect sense to not trust any of them >everything about the baby and Jane with her hiding it and lying to Kenny saying he died >"YOOO WHAT THE FRICK KENNY GOT MAD AND ATTACKED ME AFTER I PROVOKED HIM DO YOU SEE THIS CLEM HE IS A LOONEY WE HAVE TO PUT HIM OUT OF HIS MISERY"
And then the devs seethe because most still side with Kenny at the end.
>And then the devs seethe because most still side with Kenny at the end.
Did they really seethe? They wrote Jane killing herself mere weeks after the ending in the very next game. Feels like an admission that Jane was an unstable c**t.
There was some interview where one of the devs went all like "ehh yeah strangely many sided with him". In reference to Kenny being hyper focused on finding the fort in the north. Which is funny cause they decided to make that fort actually real and therefore Kenny right. You could argue that betting all on this was still weird but at the end they decided to make it real.
He was a flawed, angry, but ultimately good person. He comes across as more of a prick in the first game then he does in the second though. I genuinely don't understand how you can play the second and think he's bad. >He yelled at Clem and is mean!
Yeah, he yelled at Clem after his new wife died and he was furious and grieving. He later apologised. He's genuinely the only person there who would die for Clem and does what's necessary to protect her. Reminder that he wanted to kill Arvo but no, all the other dipshits said he a good boi he dindu nuffin.
He's a dumb goober from the panhandles. If he had any sense at all he would have mercy killed his dimwit son and fat wife as soon as the world collapsed (himself too). He's a tragic loser destined to fail in a world he simply doesn't have the skills to survive in.
Plus he's wildly emotional. Can't control himself and yells like a hysterical woman. Who wrote a male character like that?
Lee and Kenny literally die for Clem. You can't get more loyal than this. Everyone else doesn't give shit about her or actively tries to frick her over. Fricking Jane commits suicide and leaves her alone after she found out that she got preggers from one her one-night stand.
>Hates Cannibals (This is proven right) >Hates crazy b***h (This is proven right) >Hates Ben (This proven right) >His family dies >Wants to find a boat (Finds one only loses it because of Lee letting the cancer gays know where they live) >Either gets mobbed by zombies saving a pregnant woman or mercy killing the gay who killed his family. >repeat him being based through season 2. >Every other gay in the group betrays you and steals all your shit to go die offscreen somewhere >Jane that EVIL b***h intentionally provokes him by basically telling him she just killed a baby. >"WOAH CLEMENTINE LOOK HOW ANGRY AND OUT OF CONTROL KENNY IS!" >"Woah look at this clem the baby's in this car! looks like that EVIL b***h was just trying to trick us eh?" (Not realising clem had just contemplated shooting him) >"THIS IS CRAZY KENNY THERE'S NO SAFE ZONE UP HERE!" >Immediately gets to safe zone after killing Jane. >Chill with staying in the outside world as long as clem and the baby get to the safe zone.
Is Telltale's Walking Dead S1 being so well written and engaging just a fluke or was there some major writing change? I don't like Season 2 and 3 for obvious reasons, I don't like The Wolf Among Us, but S1 of the Walking Dead was genuinely great.
Lee's still the coolest and one of the only well-written black guys from a non-Japanese game and the writing never hits you over the head with "le preachy black man" bullshit even though he's a character with real struggles (arrested for killing his cheating wife's lover) and faces racism (Larry and Kenny).
They could have easily written Kenny to be the unlikeable conservative hillbilly douchebag antagonist stereotype but the writing constantly plays him out as a great and loyal friend willing to die for his family and close friends and have your back if you treat him well.
Even unlikeable characters like Ben had redeeming qualities and I thought it was really cool in season 1 how if Ben fell off the roof, there's a possibility Kenny forgives him and climbs down to put him out of his misery and almost fricking dies for Ben, the guy who indirectly got his family killed.
Definitely a fluke. There's also the fact that TWD tends to get worse as it goes on because it relies increasingly on shock value and "who's gonna die next?!". Happened with the show and the game.
This is one thing that disappointed me with the game. The writers killed way too many good characters for absolutely no other reason than shock value. In a way, they killed so many good characters in the early season, the writers screwed themselves up, when you go to the later series, you find characters that are stereotypical LA tropes, shallow stoners and stacies that have nothing going for them and the only one you are invested in is Clem.
>faces racism (Larry and Kenny).
Larry knew that Lee was a murderer, and i only remember Kenny being racist in a single line from the motel part.
Observe the stark dichotomy between Larry's ideological commitment to survival and the sacrifice of the vulnerable, juxtaposed against his own physiological frailty stemming from a cardiac condition. In counterpoint, Kenny exercises judicious prudence in his reception of Larry's counsel, exemplified by the judicious handling of the salt block incident. The assertion is made that Larry, confronted with a similar scenario involving another individual on the floor, would act with unswerving alacrity.
This recurrent dialectic between Kenny and Larry, inaugurated in Season 1, Chapter 1, transmutes into subsequent seasons, encapsulating the dialectical struggles within Kenny vs. Larry, Kenny vs. Jane, Clem vs. Joan, and, in Season 4, the philosophical antithesis embodied by Clem vs. Lilly. The narrative complexity in Season 3 intricately interweaves multifaceted character dynamics within this overarching thematic framework.
Delving into the foundational equation propounded in Season 1, Episode 1, during the acrimonious exchange between Kenny and Larry regarding the expulsion of Duck, a discernible pattern emerges. Kenny, despite not embracing unmitigated idealism, exhibits pragmatic sagacity, particularly in matters concerning familial bonds and the well-being of progeny. His ethical stance subscribes to a deontological framework, prioritizing the protection of the innocent and the juvenile above self-interest.
The Season 3 prologue, wherein Clementine departs with Kenny, signifies his metamorphosis into a Passion bearer and martyr, voluntarily submitting himself to the ravenous clutches of walkers to secure the safety of Clem and AJ. In contradistinction, Jane's dogged adherence to a survivalist ethos culminates in the ultimate act of self-immolation. Her categorical repudiation of idealism and emphasis on self-preservation precipitates her tragic demise, conspicuously elucidated in her response to the revelation of her pregnancy.
i tried to read it mate, but this feels like chatGPT
First episode starts incredibly strong, but it kinda loses steam towards the end. Felt like the author of the original comics being extremely difficult to work with is part of the reason.
>was there some major writing change?
new writers, old writers leaving, constant rewrites, etc. hey, anyone remember that ~4 month gap between episodes one and two of the wolf among us?
Observe the stark dichotomy between Larry's ideological commitment to survival and the sacrifice of the vulnerable, juxtaposed against his own physiological frailty stemming from a cardiac condition. In counterpoint, Kenny exercises judicious prudence in his reception of Larry's counsel, exemplified by the judicious handling of the salt block incident. The assertion is made that Larry, confronted with a similar scenario involving another individual on the floor, would act with unswerving alacrity.
This recurrent dialectic between Kenny and Larry, inaugurated in Season 1, Chapter 1, transmutes into subsequent seasons, encapsulating the dialectical struggles within Kenny vs. Larry, Kenny vs. Jane, Clem vs. Joan, and, in Season 4, the philosophical antithesis embodied by Clem vs. Lilly. The narrative complexity in Season 3 intricately interweaves multifaceted character dynamics within this overarching thematic framework.
Delving into the foundational equation propounded in Season 1, Episode 1, during the acrimonious exchange between Kenny and Larry regarding the expulsion of Duck, a discernible pattern emerges. Kenny, despite not embracing unmitigated idealism, exhibits pragmatic sagacity, particularly in matters concerning familial bonds and the well-being of progeny. His ethical stance subscribes to a deontological framework, prioritizing the protection of the innocent and the juvenile above self-interest.
The Season 3 prologue, wherein Clementine departs with Kenny, signifies his metamorphosis into a Passion bearer and martyr, voluntarily submitting himself to the ravenous clutches of walkers to secure the safety of Clem and AJ. In contradistinction, Jane's dogged adherence to a survivalist ethos culminates in the ultimate act of self-immolation. Her categorical repudiation of idealism and emphasis on self-preservation precipitates her tragic demise, conspicuously elucidated in her response to the revelation of her pregnancy.
call me a pseud homosexual Idc. Deep/= Kino. Intellectuals sucks anyway because if you look at intellectual schools they are unironically homosexuals and pederasts. Kenny would Saltlick all of them.
>uses big fancy word in every sentance
omg, shut the frick up you annoying twit. It's not that deep. It was written by a Black person in China getting lashes. A chair is a chair, get over yourself.
call me a pseud homosexual Idc. Deep/= Kino. Intellectuals sucks anyway because if you look at intellectual schools they are unironically homosexuals and pederasts. Kenny would Saltlick all of them.
HOLY FRICK HOW CAN YOU GUYS BE SO AUTISTIC TO WHAT IS CLEARLY A FRICKING SHITPOST. THIS ISNT EVEN THE FIRST SHITPOST DONE IN THIS STYLE WITH THE PROFESSOR LEE MEME IMAGE. Fricking tourists man. It's literally a copy paste of an old meme but in this intentionally pseud style. All of you are Jane gays.
Kenny starts of as a coward who constantly screams "Muh Family" and how he is protecting them only to run away every time things get hot - forcing Lee to make all the tough decisions for the group.
Then his life gets fricked when Bens shenanigans result into his sons death and his wifes suicide. And at the end - atleast for most players - he gets a clear head and overcomes his fear and hate by giving Ben the mercy kill before zombies eat him alive. Finishing his character arc for that game.
In TWD S2 meanwhile Clem showing up again puts him into a difficult situation - he obviously moved on - atleast tried to - seeing that he found himself a new girlfriend - but Clem coming back shakes him up and reminds him of all the pain and suffering he went through in the second game and thanks to Carver and the morons that fill their current group things go south for him again which results into Kenny becoming more and more mentally unstable as the time goes on. Many people praise Kenny for his loyality towards Clem but this really isn't a sense of loyality he is feeling towards her - It's more like he is depending on her as she is the last person alive that he can truly connect to. He needs her more than she needs him at that point - All the actions he is taking - with good intentions - end up making life for him and her just more and more complicated. At the end one might say he is proven right cause Arvo and the other morons betray them by trying to steal the car - not to mention the whole Jane plan - but it really didn't need to be this way and it's unlikely the rest would have betrayed them if Kenny would have kept himself under control.
But that also isn't easy after all the shit he went through losing a wife, a girlfriend, a son and a best friend. The best argument Kenny "haters" got here is that other people suffered as well and didn't go as apeshit as he did. But not every person acts the same and we don't really know how much there truly is to every character.
Exactly. We emphasize but are also concerned for Kenny because of one thing: he's just a human like the rest of us. I personally think that people who think that kenny was purposefully "ruined" and "antagonized" in season 2 are wrong - I think he behaves exactly as most of us would. He's basically living out a horrible nightmare where the dead are rising and his family is dead and in the real world people do horrible things for a lot less.
He was such a good character in S1, shoehorning him into S2 was so shitty it almost ruined his character his only saving grace was the other cast members were somehow even more annoying than him
I really hate these 'muh feefees and hardships :(' zombie games. Zombies are for shooting and having a great time, not existential crisis and drama. The whole genre is ruined.
I fricking despise Kenny. He seems like the most bro-tier character until you disagree with him a single time. The most what have you done for me lately character ever written.
That's factually wrong. You can disagree with him multiple times without ruining your relationship with him.
I am sure you need to disagree on pretty much everything for him to frick off with the boat alone.
>Side with Kenny on everything but save Ben in the tower
Ben standing up for himself against Kenny was kino as shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-Qbgtpsp8
Spending the entire game fighting with Kenny makes the ending more kino. When they are trapped and getting drunk trying to unwind, Kenny and Lee would talk about how they would spend nights seething about the other for nothing.
>larry screeches about duck "being bitten" in the drugstore, tries to get him thrown out (and killed) >dies after suspicion of turning into a zombie after the heart attack
it's the little things that make you appreciate the first season more
>WTF IS KENNY'S PROBLEM
He needed to lose everything he had to finally wake up. Sad, but that's what it takes for a man to either ascend or fall. He persevered, so respect to him. His arc was the highpoint of the series beyond season 1.
I found Kenny's "death" to be far more sad than Lee's because of his character growth, that is, if you didn't let Ben die. Kenny going out of his way to put the person that indirectly got his family killed because he knew Ben's biggest fear was being eaten alive was pure kino.
He was just trying to be a good father in a world that's gone to shit, but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute, his son was a moron, and he was surrounded by people he knew would leave him to be devoured alive if it was even remotely convenient for them to do so.
>his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
What? I don't remember this at all.
I may be misremembering, it's been ages since I played this, but I think she ends up fricking someone else.
Or maybe I'm getting mixed up with the TV show, I dunno
You're definitely getting it mixed up with the TV show. It's Rick's wife who cheated.
Ah, yeah, you guys are correct, I remember now. Yeah, honestly I can't really blame her. All that effort to keep your tard alive only for him to get chomped as soon as you turn your back for just a few minutes.
You might be thinking of Rick's wife who really was a huge b***h.
I’m doin stuff Laurie, Thaaaaangs
She didn't cheat on him, unless you count her wanting to kill herself after her kid turned "cheating".
Of course I do. She'd rather go with Death than with her husband.
>but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
I don't remember that. His wife killed herself because their son was a moron and got bitten.
>his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
Average Gankerer shoving his cuck fetish where it doesn't belong.
>point out shitty behavior
>IT IS ACTUALLY YOU WHO ENGAGES IN THAT SHITTY BEHAVIOR
Stop fantasizing about cuckshit you mentally ill thridie.
Literally nothing, he's a strong, family first kind of guy who understands that most people are looking out for themselves and probably won't go out of their way to protect his family who are complete strangers.
Kenny's a reliable and friendly guy who did nothing wrong. I find it funny how in the next season the writers tried really, really hard to make Kenny come off as more unhinged and make him out to be a 'bad guy' (not a villain or antagonist), but Kenny was such a beloved character and ironically the stuff he got really angry and obsessed about in season 2 are all things most of the playerbase agreed with and emphasized with given what happened to him in the previous season.
Katjaa's faithful and never cheated on him, unless I'm missing out on some side material or some shit.
>who did nothing wrong.
>drops saltlick on your head
saltlick on your head
>Huge, stocky, strong man has a fricking heart attack and you're locked in a room with him
>He's going to turn and then you'll be in the room with a huge, stocky, strong zombie
>"You don't know he would have been dead! People survive heart attacks through CPR all the time!"
He actually takes a breath if you help with CPR, right before Kenny drops a saltlick.
Old c**t was a huge butthole to Lee and Kenny, plus his daughter who is equally a c**t betrays you no matter what, Kenny was right. Frick them.
I think that part is supposed to be unclear because his voice is nasally similar to how Walkers resurrect. And to be honest the games, comics, TV shows are never ever consistent on these things. I mean in the TV show the walkers are running and sprinting and have some weird sense of humor see glen nodding to a walker in season 1. After that they're slow and traditionally zombie like.
the walkers in season 1 were weird as frick, in the first episode there's just some random zombie that is just following rick around and looking at him, not even trying to catch him or anything like it was curious about what was going on. wish they kept the walkers weird like that, would've made the show more interesting
Yea Walkers were originally going to be more intelligent, like you said in season 1 you see them doing shit like using rocks to break open windows and climb up ladders. But when they swapped directors they scrapped that idea
I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the approach because of budget reasons. You can't have distinctive zombies / fan favorite's because that means that you need to pay the extra's more. Basic cynical entertainment bullshit.
I think the best plot excuse a writer could come up with is that walkers deteriorate over time so their muscles would fall apart which is realistic to some degree but the problem is walkers newly made are also slow and dumb etc.
His logic was sound. The man was having a heart attack, there were strong odds he wasn't going to make it and the dude was huge so if he'd gotten back up they wouldn't be coming out unscathed. He was a bit hasty in his execution, but you can't fault his logic.
It was an incredibly forced conflict, but I honestly see what they were TRYING to do. Kenny and Jane represented two opposing philosophies. Kenny was all about family, attachments, the group, and loyalty. Jane was about self preservation, distance, guardedness, pragmatism. But it stumbled because Clem wouldn't be alive without Kenny's values, without people like him and Lee looking out for her.
Jane tried to manipulate everyone against Kenny and she got what she deserved.
Larry was an butthole and deserved it
He deserved it but considering Lee’s backstory, it is kind of the final Frick You to Larry trying to save him because he was so convinced you were a unrepentant murderer; it’s like you’re proving him wrong by trying to save him even though we have every reason to drop a block on his head in front of his screaming daughter
I don't forget that Larry left me to die while Kenny picked me up. I remember that.
Because kenny says some racist thing ergo he must be LE BAD, even though Kenny and Lee friendship/hardships was one of the best part of the game
That is the point, the entirety of Lee's group were people who stood together for mere convenience, they never liked each other so Kenny didn't feel any remorse in killing the rude boomer c**t at the first opportunity that appeared. In retrospect it makes him kind of a c**t for expecting Lee to always care for his family without thinking twice
>In retrospect it makes him kind of a c**t for expecting Lee to always care for his family without thinking twice
He returns the favor if you do though, and that's part of what makes him so likable. You show him loyalty and he shows it back.
I’m pretty sure everyone was more or less cool with one another outside of Larry and Lily, I mean Kenny had that shit with Ben but outside of that they were more or less chill.
>I mean Kenny had that shit with Ben but outside of that they were more or less chill.
And that was because Ben was fricking useless and constantly endangering others, including children. Kenny never did anything wrong.
>I find it funny how in the next season the writers tried really, really hard to make Kenny come off as more unhinged and make him out to be a 'bad guy' (not a villain or antagonist), but Kenny was such a beloved character and ironically the stuff he got really angry and obsessed about in season 2 are all things most of the playerbase agreed with and emphasized with given what happened to him in the previous season.
i think season 2 suffered from multiple rewrites as it went on, see also the title cards that got changed
Season 2 suffered because every character had to treat the 12 year old girl as the responsible decision maker and then go along with everything as if it was perfectly rational for grown adults to be doing that. Luke should have been the MC.
I mean, Kenny shows how much of a good guy he is if in all of his endings, where he outright thanks Clem for shooting him or sacrifices himself for her.
I can emphasize with Kenny but the guy is still a ticking time bomb. He has way too much trauma to deal with which means that he's unrealiable. This is evident when he meets Clementine again and despite the heartfelt reunion he instantly goes back to being a brooding and paranoid butthole. Why? Because Clementine reminds him of everything that happened and that's why he constantly blows up when Clementine and the crew associated with her doesn't follow his every whim. Kenny was too far gone even if you see glimpses of his former self now and then.
ChatGPT got mixed up between the show and game lol
>but his wife turned out to be a cheating prostitute
What? Kat is one of the purest characters in the entire setting. Forget cheating, she doesn't even say anything bad about anyone besides Lilly.
Kenny was my buddy until the end and I refused to fight him on the train.
>first game was a great story all around
>every game after that is complete garbage
Fricking Telltale.
The second game had amateur tier writing
>russian guys show up out of nowhere trying to rob your group
>in a setting where everyone is already on the edge because fricking zombies
>everyone sides with Arvo and treats Kenny like a lunatic - even though it makes perfect sense to not trust any of them
>everything about the baby and Jane with her hiding it and lying to Kenny saying he died
>"YOOO WHAT THE FRICK KENNY GOT MAD AND ATTACKED ME AFTER I PROVOKED HIM DO YOU SEE THIS CLEM HE IS A LOONEY WE HAVE TO PUT HIM OUT OF HIS MISERY"
And then the devs seethe because most still side with Kenny at the end.
>And then the devs seethe because most still side with Kenny at the end.
Did they really seethe? They wrote Jane killing herself mere weeks after the ending in the very next game. Feels like an admission that Jane was an unstable c**t.
There was some interview where one of the devs went all like "ehh yeah strangely many sided with him". In reference to Kenny being hyper focused on finding the fort in the north. Which is funny cause they decided to make that fort actually real and therefore Kenny right. You could argue that betting all on this was still weird but at the end they decided to make it real.
Maybe they just expected Jane being a woman to be enough to win over players or some stupid shit like that.
Urban.
We were just, you know, urban?
He was a flawed, angry, but ultimately good person. He comes across as more of a prick in the first game then he does in the second though. I genuinely don't understand how you can play the second and think he's bad.
>He yelled at Clem and is mean!
Yeah, he yelled at Clem after his new wife died and he was furious and grieving. He later apologised. He's genuinely the only person there who would die for Clem and does what's necessary to protect her. Reminder that he wanted to kill Arvo but no, all the other dipshits said he a good boi he dindu nuffin.
I fricking hate Arvo so fricking much. Bonnie too.
This will always be the real canon ending of TWD game
I'm so glad Ganker never lets this die when it comes to the walking dead. Best fricking meme. Kenny and Lee are Messiac
>URBAN
Kenny's a redneck piece of shit that you can't count on when things get rough.
I remember their version of Heather sh3
He's a dumb goober from the panhandles. If he had any sense at all he would have mercy killed his dimwit son and fat wife as soon as the world collapsed (himself too). He's a tragic loser destined to fail in a world he simply doesn't have the skills to survive in.
Plus he's wildly emotional. Can't control himself and yells like a hysterical woman. Who wrote a male character like that?
Hey guys, is this the thread for people who did NOTHING wrong?
Oh wait, Kenny is here, never mind.
>Drilled oil
>Ran a slave camp
>Threw Indians off rooftops
Was he the most based character in season 2?
Lee and Kenny literally die for Clem. You can't get more loyal than this. Everyone else doesn't give shit about her or actively tries to frick her over. Fricking Jane commits suicide and leaves her alone after she found out that she got preggers from one her one-night stand.
>Hates Cannibals (This is proven right)
>Hates crazy b***h (This is proven right)
>Hates Ben (This proven right)
>His family dies
>Wants to find a boat (Finds one only loses it because of Lee letting the cancer gays know where they live)
>Either gets mobbed by zombies saving a pregnant woman or mercy killing the gay who killed his family.
>repeat him being based through season 2.
>Every other gay in the group betrays you and steals all your shit to go die offscreen somewhere
>Jane that EVIL b***h intentionally provokes him by basically telling him she just killed a baby.
>"WOAH CLEMENTINE LOOK HOW ANGRY AND OUT OF CONTROL KENNY IS!"
>"Woah look at this clem the baby's in this car! looks like that EVIL b***h was just trying to trick us eh?" (Not realising clem had just contemplated shooting him)
>"THIS IS CRAZY KENNY THERE'S NO SAFE ZONE UP HERE!"
>Immediately gets to safe zone after killing Jane.
>Chill with staying in the outside world as long as clem and the baby get to the safe zone.
Is Telltale's Walking Dead S1 being so well written and engaging just a fluke or was there some major writing change? I don't like Season 2 and 3 for obvious reasons, I don't like The Wolf Among Us, but S1 of the Walking Dead was genuinely great.
Lee's still the coolest and one of the only well-written black guys from a non-Japanese game and the writing never hits you over the head with "le preachy black man" bullshit even though he's a character with real struggles (arrested for killing his cheating wife's lover) and faces racism (Larry and Kenny).
They could have easily written Kenny to be the unlikeable conservative hillbilly douchebag antagonist stereotype but the writing constantly plays him out as a great and loyal friend willing to die for his family and close friends and have your back if you treat him well.
Even unlikeable characters like Ben had redeeming qualities and I thought it was really cool in season 1 how if Ben fell off the roof, there's a possibility Kenny forgives him and climbs down to put him out of his misery and almost fricking dies for Ben, the guy who indirectly got his family killed.
Definitely a fluke. There's also the fact that TWD tends to get worse as it goes on because it relies increasingly on shock value and "who's gonna die next?!". Happened with the show and the game.
This is one thing that disappointed me with the game. The writers killed way too many good characters for absolutely no other reason than shock value. In a way, they killed so many good characters in the early season, the writers screwed themselves up, when you go to the later series, you find characters that are stereotypical LA tropes, shallow stoners and stacies that have nothing going for them and the only one you are invested in is Clem.
I really like Kenny and Lee's relationship
Just because you are racist doesn't mean your best bro can't be black
>faces racism (Larry and Kenny).
Larry knew that Lee was a murderer, and i only remember Kenny being racist in a single line from the motel part.
i tried to read it mate, but this feels like chatGPT
it's a meme not a dissertation don't take it posts so seriously bro. Try lurking a bit moar
I personally think the Wolf is their best game.
First episode starts incredibly strong, but it kinda loses steam towards the end. Felt like the author of the original comics being extremely difficult to work with is part of the reason.
Someone solved the mystery on the first episode, so TT had to scramble and rewrite the entire game. That's why it's feels messy after awhile.
i thought the second episode got delayed because the author got mad that it violated his moronic canon or something.
I looked in it up, and you're right. I guess that was just fake news.
>was there some major writing change?
new writers, old writers leaving, constant rewrites, etc. hey, anyone remember that ~4 month gap between episodes one and two of the wolf among us?
Observe the stark dichotomy between Larry's ideological commitment to survival and the sacrifice of the vulnerable, juxtaposed against his own physiological frailty stemming from a cardiac condition. In counterpoint, Kenny exercises judicious prudence in his reception of Larry's counsel, exemplified by the judicious handling of the salt block incident. The assertion is made that Larry, confronted with a similar scenario involving another individual on the floor, would act with unswerving alacrity.
This recurrent dialectic between Kenny and Larry, inaugurated in Season 1, Chapter 1, transmutes into subsequent seasons, encapsulating the dialectical struggles within Kenny vs. Larry, Kenny vs. Jane, Clem vs. Joan, and, in Season 4, the philosophical antithesis embodied by Clem vs. Lilly. The narrative complexity in Season 3 intricately interweaves multifaceted character dynamics within this overarching thematic framework.
Delving into the foundational equation propounded in Season 1, Episode 1, during the acrimonious exchange between Kenny and Larry regarding the expulsion of Duck, a discernible pattern emerges. Kenny, despite not embracing unmitigated idealism, exhibits pragmatic sagacity, particularly in matters concerning familial bonds and the well-being of progeny. His ethical stance subscribes to a deontological framework, prioritizing the protection of the innocent and the juvenile above self-interest.
The Season 3 prologue, wherein Clementine departs with Kenny, signifies his metamorphosis into a Passion bearer and martyr, voluntarily submitting himself to the ravenous clutches of walkers to secure the safety of Clem and AJ. In contradistinction, Jane's dogged adherence to a survivalist ethos culminates in the ultimate act of self-immolation. Her categorical repudiation of idealism and emphasis on self-preservation precipitates her tragic demise, conspicuously elucidated in her response to the revelation of her pregnancy.
God twd was so kino
See? This is a diverse cast without making you puke
God how much the western artstyle fell
Pseud.
call me a pseud homosexual Idc. Deep/= Kino. Intellectuals sucks anyway because if you look at intellectual schools they are unironically homosexuals and pederasts. Kenny would Saltlick all of them.
So true anon
pseudo intellectual
>uses big fancy word in every sentance
omg, shut the frick up you annoying twit. It's not that deep. It was written by a Black person in China getting lashes. A chair is a chair, get over yourself.
HOLY FRICK HOW CAN YOU GUYS BE SO AUTISTIC TO WHAT IS CLEARLY A FRICKING SHITPOST. THIS ISNT EVEN THE FIRST SHITPOST DONE IN THIS STYLE WITH THE PROFESSOR LEE MEME IMAGE. Fricking tourists man. It's literally a copy paste of an old meme but in this intentionally pseud style. All of you are Jane gays.
shut up, you c**t.
go back
to your moms house? ok.
Kenny starts of as a coward who constantly screams "Muh Family" and how he is protecting them only to run away every time things get hot - forcing Lee to make all the tough decisions for the group.
Then his life gets fricked when Bens shenanigans result into his sons death and his wifes suicide. And at the end - atleast for most players - he gets a clear head and overcomes his fear and hate by giving Ben the mercy kill before zombies eat him alive. Finishing his character arc for that game.
In TWD S2 meanwhile Clem showing up again puts him into a difficult situation - he obviously moved on - atleast tried to - seeing that he found himself a new girlfriend - but Clem coming back shakes him up and reminds him of all the pain and suffering he went through in the second game and thanks to Carver and the morons that fill their current group things go south for him again which results into Kenny becoming more and more mentally unstable as the time goes on. Many people praise Kenny for his loyality towards Clem but this really isn't a sense of loyality he is feeling towards her - It's more like he is depending on her as she is the last person alive that he can truly connect to. He needs her more than she needs him at that point - All the actions he is taking - with good intentions - end up making life for him and her just more and more complicated. At the end one might say he is proven right cause Arvo and the other morons betray them by trying to steal the car - not to mention the whole Jane plan - but it really didn't need to be this way and it's unlikely the rest would have betrayed them if Kenny would have kept himself under control.
But that also isn't easy after all the shit he went through losing a wife, a girlfriend, a son and a best friend. The best argument Kenny "haters" got here is that other people suffered as well and didn't go as apeshit as he did. But not every person acts the same and we don't really know how much there truly is to every character.
Exactly. We emphasize but are also concerned for Kenny because of one thing: he's just a human like the rest of us. I personally think that people who think that kenny was purposefully "ruined" and "antagonized" in season 2 are wrong - I think he behaves exactly as most of us would. He's basically living out a horrible nightmare where the dead are rising and his family is dead and in the real world people do horrible things for a lot less.
>HOWS YOU GON PROTECT THEM RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
He was such a good character in S1, shoehorning him into S2 was so shitty it almost ruined his character his only saving grace was the other cast members were somehow even more annoying than him
I really hate these 'muh feefees and hardships :(' zombie games. Zombies are for shooting and having a great time, not existential crisis and drama. The whole genre is ruined.
I fricking despise Kenny. He seems like the most bro-tier character until you disagree with him a single time. The most what have you done for me lately character ever written.
That's factually wrong. You can disagree with him multiple times without ruining your relationship with him.
I am sure you need to disagree on pretty much everything for him to frick off with the boat alone.
>Side with Kenny on everything but save Ben in the tower
Ben standing up for himself against Kenny was kino as shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-Qbgtpsp8
>vernon's group
oh yeah, that was like the one thing that carried over into 400 days. god, fricking 400 days.
>calls lee a Black person to his face
>loved by fans anyways
how the FRICK did he get away with it?
Because his fans are racists. What is there not to get?
Spending the entire game fighting with Kenny makes the ending more kino. When they are trapped and getting drunk trying to unwind, Kenny and Lee would talk about how they would spend nights seething about the other for nothing.
>larry screeches about duck "being bitten" in the drugstore, tries to get him thrown out (and killed)
>dies after suspicion of turning into a zombie after the heart attack
it's the little things that make you appreciate the first season more
>WTF IS KENNY'S PROBLEM
He needed to lose everything he had to finally wake up. Sad, but that's what it takes for a man to either ascend or fall. He persevered, so respect to him. His arc was the highpoint of the series beyond season 1.
He was unironically the most sensible character most of the times, no matter the cost.
>Kenny meeting Lee again after he dies
I found Kenny's "death" to be far more sad than Lee's because of his character growth, that is, if you didn't let Ben die. Kenny going out of his way to put the person that indirectly got his family killed because he knew Ben's biggest fear was being eaten alive was pure kino.
clamentine
You now remember Janegays.
Jane was right. Frick Kenny in his dickhole.
>Jane was-ACK!