for which game? Torna is about the Aegis War that eventually leads to Mythra sealing herself away and Torna being killed. Future Redeemed I haven't played either but I'm pretty sure it's about the creation of the City. Also Rex is the most chaddest Nintendo character now https://youtu.be/SjMk4xDXlvM?si=wCD6orJU4huOuTvE&t=161
You just need to buy it from the Eshop (expansion pass) and it becomes a selectable option on the game’s main menu. It’s a totally separate campaign from the main game, and you can play it at any point, but I would recommend playing it after you beat the main story of 3. It relies heavily on your knowledge of that game’s events
>the third game. so how do you play it, where do you start, what happens, how long is it
>You just start it from the main menu, it's a standalone campaign >What happens
It's set a few hundred years before 3 just after the destruction of the original City and further explains why Z wanted N to do it, he wanted to stop Alvis from taking the survivors, the people who were created within Aionios, and taking them to a new world using Origin and destroying Aionios in the process.
The game opens with 20-something Shulk and Rex fighting Alvis alongside Z, a fight they turn out to have lost, then it jumps to the aftermath of N destroying the first city, N's great-grandson Matthew is working with a chick called A to find the survivors from the city, they run into two colonies destroying each other and rescue Nikol (Kevesi, Shulk's son) and Glimmer (Agnian, Pyra's daughter) and remove their flame clocks, Glimmer then escapes and is found by Shulk and Reyn's daughter Panacea, but she idiotically calls up Moebius and gets everyone attacked by the past consul W, Rex shows up with Zeke's daughter Linka and saves everyone, then Shulk brings them all to the original Colony 9 where they meet Riku (And he pretty much confirms that he's Kino's son) and start making preparations to go to Prison Island to confront Alvis again; on the way there they meet with Matthew's sister Na'el near Raguel Bridge but she has gone completely nihilistic and hates Agnus and Keves and is being used by Alvis as a conduit (Like Pyra with Rex) to destroy the old worlds and move on with the city's people and Origin to a new planet, N shows up and tries to kill Na'el/Alvis to protect the endless now but Matthew stops him, then we're shown that N never wanted to kill his son (Ghondor) back in the city but rather Alvis used Na'el to manipulate him emotionally into jumping in front of N's sword; everyone goes up to Prison Island and into Origin, there's a massive infodump that essentially makes both Xenosaga and Xenoblade X (And possibly Xenogears) canon to the Xenoblade world, everyone fights Alvis, he dies but it turns out he was only half of Alvis and A is his other half and her, Shulk and Rex become the new avatars of the world in place of Ontos, which allows Z to seize full control of Origin. In the final scene we see the aftermath of the final battle in 3, the two worlds are slowly separating but they suddenly become one.
Haremshit unironically poisoned the well, and then they didn’t even bother doing anything with it from a storytelling perspective other than jerking off all the fat weebs in their game that was supposed to convince to talk to an IRL woman. It’s cancer.
Yes it was barely represented in the games and didn't do anything with it. Hence fandoms are cancer because you're overblowing an issue where there was none.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Introducing elements and not doing anything with them is bad storytelling. Bad storytelling that only exists to cater to the worst parts of the fandom and gets them to start acting worse, while flying in the face of what you wanted to tell them in your story, is creatively bankrupt.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're seething over an image that exists in the final game's epilogue. There can be no bad storytelling because there is no story telling for it. It doesn't fly in the face of anything. It's an Easter egg that has no bearing on the central characters and the story being told.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>bring Rex back in the DLC >Nia and their descendants ultimately mean nothing to his role in the story
Oh, whoops! Is it inconvenient for you when I bring up the DLC they clearly planned ahead of time?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nia isn't represented in future redeemed so yes she doesn't mean anything to its story. His descendant is a character motivator but only one of them is represented which is inconvenient for your harem argument because again, it isn't represented.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If we introduce stuff regarding the main characters to appeal to the segment of the fandom that sees the game as nothing more than a masturbation aide, it’s fine so long as we just don’t address it otherwise.
Nah. It’s one of 3’s many narrative failings.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, you're inserting issues where there are none. We've already clarified how the harem aspect played no aspect in Xeno3's narrative or DLC.
>Game is literally "marry and reproduce" the game >Rex gets picture at the very end of the game showing him doing that x3 >This ruins the franchise and goes against the theme
???
3 months ago
Anonymous
No Rexgay is gonna get with one woman, let alone three. You know damn well why it’s there. It’s for the people who are still very afraid of real life and need the fantasy where multiple supermodel women suck their dick for having the basic qualities of having a job and human decency.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I like Rex and have a loving girlfriend. You’re having a meltie over a very small minority of the fanbase
3 months ago
Anonymous
Projecting too hard unhinged anon. It's just an image used as a nod to people who played the previous game
3 months ago
Anonymous
See
>bring Rex back in the DLC >Nia and their descendants ultimately mean nothing to his role in the story
Oh, whoops! Is it inconvenient for you when I bring up the DLC they clearly planned ahead of time?
3 months ago
Anonymous
See
Nia isn't represented in future redeemed so yes she doesn't mean anything to its story. His descendant is a character motivator but only one of them is represented which is inconvenient for your harem argument because again, it isn't represented.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Married with 2 children and a 3rd on the way. Meanwhile you're seething over an image.
>Haremshit unironically poisoned the well
that started with XC1 anon, or do you think it's normal for science geek Shulk to be the lead in a love triangle between two smoking hot babes?
Why do redditors love Xenoblade so much? Most of these homosexuals hate anything "too anime" or "weeb" and yet these threads are always filled with them. Because let's not lie to ourselves, every single dubgays are r*ddit tourists >dubgays get the rope
Is it because of the meme shitty britbong dub?
>newbie
i too make assumptions about anons based on how badly they fricked me in the ass
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that shitty banter to move the goalpost
You're a dubgay on Ganker, you cannot have a bigger redflag than that, you're a moronic tourist with shit tastes. There's nothing else that you can say that can change this fact
3 months ago
Anonymous
you're out here calling me a dubgay when i haven't even mentioned the dub, you don't even read the posts you reply to.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Do you need to when it's obvious? Or are you trying again to be a smartass, you stupid frick?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he admits it
well, no further point to this then. anyway, only problem with 2 was the gacha system. no idea why they thought that would be a good idea, especially considering the wildly varying usefulness of rare blades.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>only problem with 2 was the gacha system. no idea why they thought that would be a good idea, especially considering the wildly varying usefulness of rare blades. >most bland, uninspired, copy-pasted take
Sasuga redditBlack person. And no, the gacha system was definitely not a mistake, like you said, most of the rare blades all have a varying usefulness. The RNG of the gacha system gives the game a lot of replayability and different playthroughs depending of the rare blade you get. Just go back to r*ddit already with your shitty low quality posts
>maybe they want to make a "sequel" or start a new trilogy based on that missing character
No thank you
Rex's family already got plenty of spotlight in both 3 and FR
>XC3 >"the heroine was actually Rex's kid all along!" >XC4 >"the hero was actually Rex's kid all along!"
What a dumb idea.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, these are morons you draw in with haremshit. People who now think the franchise needs to focus solely on the one “speshul” character that they use for jerk-off fodder.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nips love those kind of snowflake characters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>People who now think the franchise needs to focus solely on the one “speshul” character
But 3 already has plenty of that, why do they need more?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because they whale for all the expensive toys, and keep the game alive in public discourse by not shutting the frick up about the porn on Twitter. Don't be surprised if 4 relapses into more Rexwank because they left themselves an out to do so.
I know Rex is the highlight of this moment, but I love Matthew dude, he's so cool, the way he takes care of Nikol and Glimmer despite barely knowing them is great
Shame he didn't get a whole game
Honestly in a way I'm kinda shocked that FR wasn't what Xenoblade 3 was, and I respect Xenoblade 3 a lot for not being a super fanservicey story from mashing the worlds of 1 and 2 together
Torna would have been even better as a full experience too,it had such a strong party and seeing Malos at his peak was kino
I think XB3's biggest failing was in its advertising showing the Mechonis Sword posed over the Urayan titan. There was concept art somewhere of an alternate cover spread showcasing the ferronises instead
3 months ago
Anonymous
Definitely, like they're both fairly significant locations but the specific posing of them really made the scale of the war between Agnus and Keves feel a lot grander
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, like they were casualties in the war.
I think it would have done more for XB3's reception if they leaned more on the ferronises and kept the fusion of Alrest and Mechonis/Bionis a secret along with the Queens' appearances
you missed the entire shitstorm about whether or not 3 blew it by being so different
Anyone else feel like 2's world could've been an entire series? I like 3 a lot but a game with a new set of titans, blades, drivers, and all that would be peak, a true 2 sequel.
Hell even an expanded version of Torna that has more story beats and adds 2-3 more titans to explore would be amazing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
See I agree that there was a lot of cool things they could have done with that world, but despite it not being my favourite in the trilogy by any means, I appreciate that 3 didn't lean on heavy nostalgia
Yeah, like they were casualties in the war.
I think it would have done more for XB3's reception if they leaned more on the ferronises and kept the fusion of Alrest and Mechonis/Bionis a secret along with the Queens' appearances
There's some great potential iconic images with the Ferronis's too, like the Ferronis's "bleeding" after Noah/Mio destroy the Flame Clocks and it's thematically fitting too as if you're engaging with that world a lot, you'll be freeing a lot of people. Then the inclusion of the various races in the party can be what hints at a connection to 1 and 2
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Then the inclusion of the various races in the party can be what hints at a connection to 1 and 2
Exactly
And also, the Ferronises are the 'Titans' of XB3. They're the overwhelming god-like entities that dictate the lives of the people who live with them, for good or ill.
the third game. so how do you play it, where do you start, what happens, how long is it
If you care even a little about the trilogy Future Redeemed is a must. For a nostalgia gay like me that played first xc on wii IT was the most fun i had.
I mostly want a port so I don't have to keep my Wii U hooked up for one fricking game. I still play X semi-regularly. Might just emulate it at this point.
despite some of the anime cringe and coom 2 had the most soul to me at least and by far the best soundtrack and story beats but 1 and 3 were also pretty cool. 2+Torna is my number 1 spot with 3 and 1 interchangeable at 2
i feel like whichever one you play last will be the weakest to you. I know a few people who played 2 -> 3 -> 1 and felt 1 was by far the worst, but people who played 1 first felt it was by far the best.
I’m pretty skeptical of whether or not we’ll get something from them. I have a feeling we’re in a gap year from them, seeing as we’ve gotten so much from them in the last three.
If we get anything, it definitely won’t be Xeno, which I’d be perfectly fine with (Baten Kaitos 3 please). I just wanna see what they’re capable of on Nintendo’s new hardware. If any team is capable of flexing it, it’s them
A very slow battle system at the start. Be sure to upgrade your arts often (and buy art manuals once they start appearing in the shop) to speed it up.
Also don't play only Shulk, in XC1 every character plays completely different, and one of the others may fit your playstyle more.
>5 games, only the first one is memorable and good. >2nd game is remembered for the two breedable swords. >3rd game is only remembered for the eroge harem ending. >X is so forgettable even OP forgot to include it in pic.
Xenoblade is a good example of a series where you should just stop after the first game and go off with dignity.
im not saying the shitposter you responded to is correct, but that part of the vga's is so popular because Flute Guy went absolutely crazy. They brought him back for the next vga's. and im sure its precisely because he became a meme.
Just a reminder that Iwata was the reason 1 actually had a flowing Beginningn-Middle-End story. Because he forced Monolith to actually finish work on assets for the core plot they had first rather than let things go off the rails because Takahashi had a great idea for a twist or side-story part way through development.
The reason these games are niche is because no working man in their late 20s and over has the time to play single-player games that demand thousands of hours.
I didn't like XC3's class system, I hope the next Xenoblade doesn't just try to throw so much shit into its mechanics that doesn't amount to anything meaningful.
I think XC2 is a good midway point, characters have a defined role by their signature blade but there's still a strong amount of flexibility.
Anyone else feel like 2's world could've been an entire series? I like 3 a lot but a game with a new set of titans, blades, drivers, and all that would be peak, a true 2 sequel.
Hell even an expanded version of Torna that has more story beats and adds 2-3 more titans to explore would be amazing.
Better to explore more facets of a world you’ve established, than throw the entire world into a meat grinder because you’re desperate to tie it into a Bible fanfic you’ve been desperately clinging onto and retconning all your stories for for the past two and a half decades.
>3 gives Rex an eroge harem >all of his descendants are super important to the plot in both 3 and FR >the MC is obsessed with his daughter >"waaaahhhhh it's not a real sequel to 2!!!"
why are 2gays like this?
>hurrr just do the same shit every time
no
Its just the resident Ganker XC2 schizogooner. This is the third thread within 24h. Just let him be or he will use your replies to desperately keep the thread alive.
You could do an insane amount of shit in Alrest. The spin-off potential was definitely there.
But once the Blade System got reworked thanks to Klaus and titans all simultaneously dead off to form the new landmass, you would have had to change a lot of how the characters interact.
>3 gives Rex an eroge harem >all of his descendants are super important to the plot in both 3 and FR >the MC is obsessed with his daughter >"waaaahhhhh it's not a real sequel to 2!!!"
why are 2gays like this?
In that anon’s case probably because he liked the game for reasons other than just being his sex fantasy. 3 was a fricking boring world, the game effectively just feels like one long filler arc for knuckledraggers who will clap because they recognize familiar things.
Then do something in that changed world. Y’know all that potentially interesting stuff and major changes to the world powers that were just told all happened offscreen in less than decade in XC3.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Then do something in that changed world
Why? Their story is done.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Apparently it wasn’t because the entire world turned into a Japan-themed one-world government within the span of a few years to suit 3’s narrative.
3 months ago
Anonymous
because the world they created for 2 had limitless potential and throwing it out was a waste.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, 3 in general was a mistake, including the harem. Nia should've stay cucked
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but yeah that harem thing was weird and forced. I'd even prefer if they kept Rex with his original model instead of Rex-chad.
And isn't 3 in the same setting? Or are you counting it as not the same setting because it doesn't have your waifu?
Kys virgin homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
It’s a shittier version of 1 and 2’s settings with a drab story that drags on. The entire game is a filler arc to justify perfect works with its ending.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s a shittier version of 1 and 2’s settings
ITs the same setting, its a sequel
3 months ago
Anonymous
A sequel that is ashamed at being a sequel, while also being ashamed at trying to be its own thing. How aren’t you getting this? 3’s biggest downfall is a lack of identity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>just the mechanics
XC3 uses the same mechanics aside from gacha trash
How is Aionious the same setting as Alrest? No drivers/blades, no titans, no cloud sea, no core crystals, no Praetorium, no flesheating/bladeeating, etc. It's an entirely different story with flame clocks, ferronises, ouroboros, moebius, and all the rest of this shit. You can't say it's a pure continuation of 2's world.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You can't say it's a pure continuation of 2's world.
It literally is. Your god Takahashi decided this is the best route for the world, just like he decided to give your favorite MC his eroge harem. Either accept it all or accept none of it
3 months ago
Anonymous
i accept that Takahashi decided to take the story in that direction, but it's NOT 2's world anymore and has a ton of it's own ideas, all I said is I'd be interested in seeing a sequel to 2 that did more with the preexisting elements, rather than replacing them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
well your god Takahashi decided it wasn't needed
3 months ago
Anonymous
And everything you said is explained. Just play the game. If you have a problem with anything, bring it up with Alvis
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 ISN'T the same setting? I know it stings, but think critically for a moment.
Aionios is some weird bastardized fusion of the worlds of 1 and 2 without either of their charm. It's actually insane how boring they mananged to make things like Valak Mountain or the Leftherian Archipleago.
The people of 3 are also generally different, with us only seeing 5 characters return in this game because they couldn't decide between making the game feel like a proper sequel or cutting enough references so that some poor idiot could play it alone without playing the first two and not be completely lost. And they failed in both regards.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hey I agree with you, 3 is a shitshow
But thats a problem with writting. The fusion, universes sort of fighting against each other, Origin and someone hijacking it by themselves were fine. How they connected the dots is what made it an horrible experience
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ok FF troony
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice try but everyone knows the only ones advocating for 2 sequel are the trannies (and the virgin schizo)
has nothing to do with the characters, just the mechanics. For all I care they can have an entirely new cast and not even mention the Aegis, I just want to explore on top of big ass monsters again, and I thought the rare blade system was fun even if other people hated it.
it's weird because 3 is as much a sequel to 2 as 2 is a sequel to 1: not in a literal sense and more in a thematic sense (with some plot elements crossing or carrying over).
I think with Xenosaga, Takahashi isn't really keen to do long stories that require previous entries to make sense. It just limits the audience and also means that he can't tell a full story and has to drag it out more.
What's clear with Xenoblade, at least to me, is that Takahashi's storytelling and production chops have developed a lot because he's gotten better at finishing stories within the budget and timeframe he's given and telling them through characters rather than exposition.
Each Xenoblade game feels like a complete story, and (at least after 1) you get the sense that he's also gotten better about weaving and re-interpreting elements from previous games to become part of the scaffolding of a larger meta narrative without sacrificing each game's own story.
Like, FR has a lot that is missed if you didn't play 1, 2 and 3 but, at its core, you still get a pretty strong narrative of a brother trying to save his sister from the despair she's experienced and restoring her faith in building a future
3 ISN'T the same setting? I know it stings, but think critically for a moment.
Aionios is some weird bastardized fusion of the worlds of 1 and 2 without either of their charm. It's actually insane how boring they mananged to make things like Valak Mountain or the Leftherian Archipleago.
The people of 3 are also generally different, with us only seeing 5 characters return in this game because they couldn't decide between making the game feel like a proper sequel or cutting enough references so that some poor idiot could play it alone without playing the first two and not be completely lost. And they failed in both regards.
So what? You wanted Avengers Endgame Xenoblade edition?
they needed to do either make 3 feel like it's own unique thing or a culmination of 1 and 2, trying to do both at once without committing just leaves it feeling confused.
I didn't want Avengers Endgame:Xenoblade Edition, but I would have taken it over what we got. I wanted a world were the shit we did would have lasting effects. I wanted to see more characters than what we did, and not have their mere presense be a point of confusion. I wanted them to acknowledge previous events and characters with more than meta jokes and saying >Gee, I sure wish SHE was around. HER help would be great right now.
Even though I kinda hate Future Redeemed was a prequel story, it's still closer to what I actually wanted from 3 narratively.
I also wanted a party that didn't bore me to sleep. Noah, Mio and Sena can all take a lap.
I'd go for that. Maybe even go back further than the events of Torna and explore the other titan(s) that Malos took down, explore places like Judicium, maybe there are other space elevators to explore, stuff like that
it clearly only included sidequest gates because it wanted to pad the length out and make it feel more worthwhile, if they fleshed it out and added content to the story more organically that stuff would hopefully be cut.
I don't buy that. Every game it was said the original universe was destroyed by being separated in two. I guess you can make a point about Nia and Klaus not being as fully knowledgeable as they think they are about what happened, but Alvis while still in control of the conduit also said that. If new earth ends up being lost jerusalem, there will be something else going and not going back to the old universe which shouldn't exist anymore
>Every game it was said the original universe was destroyed by being separated in two.
No, it's only Earth (Lost Jerusalem) who was separated in two, that's why it became forbidden territory.
Future Redeemed proved Xenoblade happens in the same universe as Xenosaga
Not only Earth. In the first episode of Xenosaga, chaos says that an area with a diameter of 100 million light years has been transferred to the imaginary number domain.
So it's either:
1. KOS-MOS, saga is canon and numbered XC caught up to the saga timeline
2. Deus, gears is canon, or at least an alternate gears where Deus makes it to Lost Jerusalem
3. Elma, X is canon, or at least an alternate X where Elma came to warn a newly re-fused 1-2 Earth
I still feel like KOS-MOS is the most sensible option.
I assume you didn't play 3's DLC. Spoilers obviously, but the worlds do eventually merge together again, but this time "correctly". After that, we see a blue comet land in the new world, which people think is KOS-MOS from Saga.
Wtf... doesn't this delete absolutely everyone on both worlds? That's no good ending at All!
3 months ago
Anonymous
We don't see what's happening really so we can't say for sure, but based on what Melia and Nia say during the game, it shouldn't be.
The original crash was going to fully wipe both worlds. They created Origin not to prevent the crash, but rather to recreate the worlds after the fact exactly how they were before it.
Despite this, they still mention that the worlds are destined to meet each other again, and based on their words, we can kind of assume the second meeting should be more "peaceful" than the first, as in the people don't get killed during it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no, everyone is stored in origin, you can argue that the people from the city are fricked but iirc even they are recorded in a diferent part
3 months ago
Anonymous
>even they are recorded in a diferent part
Maybe, but it's unlikely that 100% of the same people will meet and frick again, since their circumstances will be very different.
They hinted hard that the world that Xenoblade 2 takes place on is the Earth that goes missing in Xenosaga. That's why the Radio has a vector logo on it.
>a newly re-fused 1-2 Earth
Didn't the 3rd game end with the worlds splitting again?
I assume you didn't play 3's DLC. Spoilers obviously, but the worlds do eventually merge together again, but this time "correctly". After that, we see a blue comet land in the new world, which people think is KOS-MOS from Saga.
They hinted hard that the world that Xenoblade 2 takes place on is the Earth that goes missing in Xenosaga. That's why the Radio has a vector logo on it.
For all the "worlds" and merging and what have you, I still like how heavily implied that XCX's Mira world is actually purgatory or outright Hell. Everyone is literally dead. The humans, the aliens, the beasts, all coming to Mira after their death, thinking they can leave. But they can't and they don't even know how much time has gone by, if any at all, or if time even matters any more. The only person who knows differently, and is thoroughly enjoying himself, is pic related (his name is an anagram) and how he's keeping it all to himself.
Cool, hope we get more Xeno figures announced. I’d like some for the male characters, or at least a few Pop Up Parades. I don’t have enough money to afford the fancier scales; most I can do is the occasional figma or nendoroid
Threads like this really illustrate how right 3’s narrative was in critiquing humanity’s inability to let go and how those hangups corrupt what we used to love, Jesus Christ.
How so many of you people missed the point is totally beyond me
We all get the point, it's not exactly subtle. It's just not a good story. The setting and premise is sorta interesting but it's ruined because everything revolves around Noah and Mio the 2 most boring leads ever.
>It's just not a good story
And thats almost universaly agreed, the one thing XB, XB2 and XBXgays agree on. But advocating for XB2-2 because XB3 didn't have a good story doesn't make sense. That anon should just come straight and say its because its his taste instead of trying to sell it on rationalization as basis.
Anyone else feel like 2's world could've been an entire series? I like 3 a lot but a game with a new set of titans, blades, drivers, and all that would be peak, a true 2 sequel.
Hell even an expanded version of Torna that has more story beats and adds 2-3 more titans to explore would be amazing.
>You should learn to let go. My game is super smart.
Will Takahashi learn to let go? Because from FR’s ending, I absolutely do not believe he is capable of what he wants to preach to his fanbase.
I think that’s part of it too though. That’s why Noah throws his sword away at the ends, it’s very clearly meant to be some part of Takahashi being finally comfortable letting go of Perfect Works now that he’s finally gotten to finish a multi work project like this from start to end.
The whole point is being willing to find closure and move on is as much an issue for Takahashi (which he finally feels he’s done with XB3/FR) as it is for the players
>which he finally feels he’s done with XB3/FR
Did he tell you that personally?
3 months ago
Anonymous
well, let's see; there's that and there's the end of future connected which shows the two worlds merged as one, finally - and then shows kosmos headed towards earth with that blue glint
3 months ago
Anonymous
>source: trust me bro
Yeah okay moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No but most authors dont explicitly state the subtext of their works because then it just becomes text. So you’d have the reject the concept that Xenoblade can have subtext to say that the only meaning in the game is what’s outright explicitly stated
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's a lot of words to say "I made it up"
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if you parse any subtext from a work, you made it up
Critical reading skills and literacy are at an all time low, I see
3 months ago
Anonymous
>getting this mad about your own headcanon
kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not mad, I’m just asking if you believe games (and Xenoblade specifically) are capable of having subtext?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are those goalposts heavy?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, we’re starting with how you differentiate between someone’s head canon and subtext because, if all subtext is head canon to you, then there’s no discussion to be had at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're pretending to know Takahashi's intentions as if you know the guy personally. That's all I was saying. Get over yourself pseud
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not pretending to know but I’m putting forth an interpretation behind why Takahashi has the story the way it is based on both his own development history and the story’s events.
I’m not saying I have a psychic connection to Takahashi, just that the events of the story seem suggest a particular intent on his part. People find this to be an interesting part of art criticism, trying to parse the underlying intended meaning of a work
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nta, but maybe he just want to do mecha kino?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh that’s absolutely there but I think when people talk about perfect works, they’re referring to the broader space opera plot rather than just mechs
Like takahashi’s future projects will for sure include mecha kino too
3 months ago
Anonymous
>just that the events of the story seem suggest a particular intent on his part.
His intent is just to bring back muh
xenosaga
3 months ago
Anonymous
>His intent is just to bring back muh
xenosaga
god I fricking wish
Then why end FR on the future tie-in tease? Clearly the old fricker hasn't let go, but just wants to force his audience to. He's a hack, who doesn't actually stand for what he's preaching in his work.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>future tie in tease
You mean the blue light that’s falling towards the new interlinked world?
Just want to make sure I know what you’re referring to
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, I dare you fricking tell me that isn't just set-up to tie in the new world to another Xeno game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It isn't, that'd be dumb
3 months ago
Anonymous
Get ready to suck my dick when you're absolutely fricking wrong.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m sure it’ll be relevant to something down the road but as far as Takahashi trying to manifest this grand space opera story that’s lived in his head rent free, I think he’s done with that.
There’ll probably still be some resemblance between any future works to elements in Gear or Saga but that’s just what his pool of inspirations is.
Whatever he makes in the future will almost definitely keep the Xeno prefix but it’ll be towards a different goal, a different core narrative or idea than how the past Xeno titles have mostly been retries at this idea he’s clearly been fixated on.
And I dont even know if he’ll be taking as much of a hands on role or be the scenario writer. He might just start handing off subsequent projects to whatever protégés he has at Monolith Soft
My only point is I doubt the future Xeno projects will be handled with the intent to execute on Perfect Works and its various episodes as much
3 months ago
Anonymous
You know how he could've done that a lot easier? Jus made 3 it's own new story and world worth investing in rather than this slog amalgam, that can't decide whether it's a sequel or it's own thing, dragging behind it's predecessors telling us to move on from them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 functionally was though. I’ve seen a solid number of people who started with 3 and loved it without feeling too lost on anything >can't decide whether it's a sequel or it's own thing
It’s as much as sequel as 2 is. Literally the same complaints were leveraged at 2 on launch, with people complaining that it’s only redeeming qualities were its callbacks to 1
3 months ago
Anonymous
>who started with 3
Yeah, there's the fricking problem. The game was billed as this grand conclusion, but also wanted to play starting point for beginners. So it kind of fricking blows at being a conclusion, and arguably the stories it wanted to 'conclude' didn't need it. Of course people who started with 3 aren't going to be disappointed with how much of it is just hollow, shameless imitation of what came before.
>H-hey guys! Forget about those other games! Take this new thing where we awkwardly mesh them together but also we're doing our own thing okay?? Yes, we're vaguely incorporating the other games but don't ask questions about the continuity! Just pay attention to this on its OWN okay? But also look remember these guys from the last games??
Considering the entire game is just a build-up to a tease of pushing Xenosaga and potentially Xenogears into it, Monolith’s insistence that people need to “let go and embrace an uncertain future” is absolute horseshit. And I’m tired of 3gays trying to pretend that it isn’t.
It's not. Those are just fun references.
Note how they all happen in the "stuck in the past, can't let go" dimension that gets ultimately rejected by the cast.
Perfect theme execution.
Light at the end coming to Earth is Elma arriving ahead of Xenoblade X events.
>Moebius are a group of shallow evil neets who just want to laze around forever >Fans of xenoblade on Ganker want the franchise to just be more of the same
MonolithSoft is just that good. Even when half the staff is forced to work in Zelda mines.
Can't wait to see how they'll make use of Switch 2. Maybe the rumored action game in not that far off.
Then Xenoblade X2.
Then Xenoblade 4
>Started the series with emulating the original on Wii when it released in English in 2011 >It became one of my favorite games ever >Bought a WiiU for X, really liked it >Bought a Switch in fall 2017 to get 2 upon release >Thought it was mid as frick >Wasn't that excited for 3 but got it because it looked good in it's direct and the reviews were better than 2 >Thought it was absolutely fantastic >MFW the DLC was rad as frick
2 has a lot working against it as a game, issues 3 does not have.
>Extremely poor technical performance, being straight up unplayable on handheld with it's 3DS-tier resolutions during gameplay. >No visual character customization unless you buy DLC and 90% of that is pallet swaps. >Awful pacing issues, the game becomes a slog during several portions like chapter 4, early chapter 3, chapter 2 to an extent. It doesn't really start to get good until Morag joins the party. >You basically only have 4 party members as Tora is gimped until chapter 8, but the third and fourth members don't join until chapter 5. >Significant portions of the game are locked behind a fricking gacha system. >Many poorly explained gameplay/combat systems. The lack of any sort of in-game guide or tutorial you can look at like 1 had is absolutely baffling for a game that has more things going on.
There's also the surprisingly poor QOL, time wasting gatcha mechanics for rare blades, and worse characterizations for major characters including both party members and especially villains.
2 is easily the most uneven game in the main trilogy and even its DLC campaign suffers from gatelocking via sidequests. There's a lot of things I enjoy about it, but it's for sure the worst of the three even if it's still a very enjoyable game and does a good few things better than the other two.
3 has some issues 2 doesn't have, but it's by far the better game and feels the best to play. Monolith Soft always impresses me with how much they seem to learn with each game.
Yeah, you definitely haven't been in enough threads. Hell, I'd argue most people on the internet like 3 more than 2 because they think 3 is more mature and less "anime cringe".
I like 2 more because I think in every area except gameplay, it's better. And even then, it's got a couple things over on 3.
Yes, definitely. If you haven't played any of them I'd suggest starting with 1, but if you already have then 2 is a great follow up. Combat is a little different as it builds on that of the original, but honestly I think it's the best in the series. Be aware that the the game combat doesn't open up until you get a full party of 3, but unfortunately starts you with 1, then 2 characters until chapter 3(?). They did that so you would get the basics down but if you played the first your skills will transfer and you'll be begging for a full party.
(me)
To add to this, it's always good to start with the first one in these kind of scenarios since they always end up adding or changing things to be more interesting as the series progresses, so if you start with the first 1 you'll go in fresh and won't be disappointed wondering "why don't they have this new feature that was in the 3rd game".
X was the worst. Locking half your party for the whole game, most of the classes were shit, and it took too long to give you the big robot you saw on the cover of the game which is why you bought it in the first fricking place and by the time you got one you probably fell off a cliff and LOST IT because duh, you didn't have insurance.
Do you mean the literal connections, or just thematic ones?
If it's the first, then I think you're looking for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc-3KrXyaAs
I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of crazy bullshit they can do with new hardware. Hopefully that action game they're working on isn't too far off.
I don't see them getting much more advanced. I'd rather they stay the same but get rid of the fricking fluid resolution that turns the entire game into a blurry fussy mess the second action happens.
You think people will complain when 4 will only acknowledge the contruction of Origin and how two worlds became one, but without any mentions of 3's and FR's parties?
I think Aionios is more fun to explore while Alrest is generally more interesting to learn about.
Aionios is, itself, a space that is actively having its history scrubbed away. That's why maintaining records and history is so important for The City. They actually remember the lives of those who have come before as well as have a founding myth that forms part of their identity.
The City embodies the basic premise of needing to move towards the future, even if that involves backtracking at times out of the dead end you found yourself in
But it is shown rather than told. The design of everything in the city is more akin to scrap metal than the cleanly uniform and manufactured designs you see for colony soldiers.
My entire spiel about the City just now is something is never explicitly stated, it’s something I observed from the juxtaposition of the City’s culture to that of the colonies. Monica never says “we’re different because we keep track of our history and past”
>Monica never says “we’re different because we keep track of our history and past”
One of their first missions ends with you going to their memorial stone and she literally tells you that. Lmao
No she doesn’t. Not in the main story or her hero quest. She and Travis explain what the practice even is and even draw parallels to offseeinf but they dont actually state the thematic significance of it because there’s some basic respect for the audience having bare-minimum pattern recognition. Like, Monica and Travis never highlight the lack of history and erasure of the past within the colonies when they talk about their own practices and rituals
3 months ago
Anonymous
>but they dont actually state the thematic significance of it
Yeah no shit moron. It's still incredibly obvious to anyone who has an ounce of media literacy, it isn't subtle at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
My point is that it's still showing (and not telling) given that it's left to the viewer to parse it.
Even obvious subtext is still subtext. The intent is to communicate to the viewer using all the parts of the buffalo, so to speak
3 months ago
Anonymous
>given that it's left to the viewer to parse it.
It really isn't. There's only one possible interpretation
3 months ago
Anonymous
Subtext isn't meant to be open to interpretation as much as it's meant to be something for the reader to put together on their own.
Subtext isn't the same as ambiguity. They can overlap but there's often an intended interpretation of certain elements of a story by the author that's meant to be arrived at
3 months ago
Anonymous
Still isn't that difficult to piece together
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, I wasn't claiming it was. But that it is left to be pieced together at all means it's shown, not told.
I wasn't trying to suggest it's super clever, or even that it was subtext. Just that it was a nice juxtaposition between The City and the colonies/kingdoms
>literally everyone is caught in an endless cycle of death and rebirth >WAAAAHHH!! MY SUFFERING IS UNIQUE AND THAT MEANS I GET TO KILL EVERYONE!!
N is such a drama queen homosexual
Noah didn't lose anything, he immediately gets Mio back when the worlds reset.
Pretty weird that the only two party members who joined the bad guys side are also the only ones who get rewarded at the end.
Technically, everyone gets rewarded, the worlds fusing means that Noah and Mio get to meet again, but also Lanz and Sena and Eunie and Taion, plus all the heroes like Kite and Juniper and even the characters from FR like Nikol and Glimmer and Panacea and Linka.
The only ones who got fricked sideways were the city's people whpnare now stuck in the wther waiting hundreds or even thousands of years to be born, so yeah, sorry Shania.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>fusing means that Noah and Mio get to meet again, but also [headcanon]
3 months ago
Anonymous
Black person, what the frick else do you think happens? Noah and Mio get their own lottle planet and everyone else just fricks off? No, obviously the worlds fusing means everyone can mingle with everyone, and because the wjole theme of these games is bonds and shit they'll obviously meet again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We don't know if anyone else will meet again besides Noah and Mio. Anything else is speculation and headcanon
3 months ago
Anonymous
Except that the ending hints at it very heavily, otherwise the city's people can't be born.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>game series is pro-freewill >now requires specific people marry and have children in a pre-determined fashion
Origin was a mistake.
3 was a mistake.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not required but it's going the happen. A major idea at the end is that everyone will restablish the bonds they had in Aionios. And for a lot of those people those bonds involve fricking and having kids.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It logistically cannot happen for all people. Take Jansen for example, he'll never get to shoot his shot with Monica because his brother won't be killed by Moebius. And there's an NPC in the city who says his girlfriend only started shacking up with him becuase her husband died in the war. They'll never get together in the new world either because there's no war.
And that's just 2 examples. The city existed for 1000s of years
3 months ago
Anonymous
This. I don't get why that's so hard to grasp. And people acting like everything is predetermined are moronic. It goes against the very conclusion Shulk fought for, for fricks sake.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The only thing established about the Origin is that it would house the souls of everyone from the worlds of Bionis/Mechonis and Alrest so they could be reborn in the new world. For all we know, it could function like the Lifehold Core from X and the souls would just be implanted into fresh new bodies.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>For all we know, [headcanon]
3 months ago
Anonymous
Serious question, are you moronic? Do you not understand what "for all we know" means? Can't you put two sentences together and understand a basic idea of "the game doesn't explain how it works"?
3 months ago
Anonymous
The game doesn't explain it because even the writers knew it doesn't make any fricking sense.
It's just a lazy excuse to return everyone to normal humans (just like the City) so they can go back to muh space opera in the next game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Except that X now canonically happened at the same time as Klaus running his experiment, so we already have a branch timeline where everyone can be regular humans (And a bunch of creepy aliens)
3 months ago
Anonymous
Monolith already used a device with a similar function in a previous game, which was the whole point of the comparison. How fricking moronic are you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>misunderstands that part of what made the Lifehold actually good and compelling was the moral grey of whether or not those people could truly be considered the same ones who lived on Earth
3 gays need to stop talking like their magic “Save the Future Children” device is anything like an actual interesting moral choice in X.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>make moronic assumption about predestination, when it's never established how the Origin would revive people >when the only point of reference in the series shows that you can revive people without any autistic order of "x has to be related to y in z way" >moves the goal post and calls it le bad while ignoring the fact that whole dilemma in X is destroyed in 5 seconds by Elma and everyone present immediately accepts it
So this is what room temperature IQ looks like, impressive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>We don’t know how Origin will revive people!
They weren’t magically in the world at the end of 3. So you tell me how it works, fricko.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>NPC A and NPC B have a child >suddenly [headcanon] dictates that this soul stored inside a deus ex machina megacomputer should replace their newborn's soul by a soul stored inside that shit
Very good, surely the parents will accept that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
People still have memories of their time in Aionios. Even if a war isn't happening in their minds a war and everything that ensued from it still did. So "they'll never get together because no war" is moot
3 months ago
Anonymous
>People still have memories of their time in Aionios
You don't know that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
We literally do. X confirms that the reincarnation process doesn't delete memories. Several characters retain memories of past lives,Moebius get all their past memories, and it's the same device Origin that's recreating both worlds and all it's inhabitants.
>it’ll just happen and work out, okay?
Hack writing excuse.
You see it happen in Aionios. Ashera, Joran, Ethel and Cammuravi.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You see it happen in Aionios. Ashera, Joran, Ethel and Cammuravi
And it’s hack shit there. Pre-destination is not compatible with the themes of Xenoblade.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not predestination. People have memories of their past lives and those memories influence them. Considering 2 makes a thing about how shitty it is to lose memories after reincarnation effectively maming in impossible to reconnect with your past life this is perfectly in line.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>People have memories of their past lives
No they don't. That defeats the entire purpose of the happy ending in 3.
Every kid will need therapy if they have 1000 years of war memories in their head.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ashera's story already covers this. Eunie's story covers this. Noah and N's story covers this. Even Joran's arc covers this.
It absolutely is you fricking wienermuncher.
It's as much predestination as you posting on Ganker again today because you remembered Ganker exist and that you posted their before.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Things work differently inside Aionios. We don't know if those memories will carry over in the real world.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The same device Origin is being used. We're told that Origin records a bunch of data and recreates shit based on that data. The only reason people have memories is because Origin recording ecerything that happens in Aionios and recreating soldiers based on the most recent data. The same data used to recreate both worlds at the end of the game. Noah hesring the off-seer theme is proof of this.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't matter, things work differently in Aionios. Aging is altered in Aionios so no reason they couldn't alter stuff like memory retention
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are people who will absolutely not end up with the same partners under complete free will due to the lack of a war forcing it. The game itself shows this. You’re a fricking moron if you think Origin will just magically 100%.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The game itself literally doesn't show this. Ethel at birth escapes her pod and finds Cammuravi again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Ethel at birth escapes her pod and finds Cammuravi again
She doesn't "find" him he's literally right there when she pops out moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's not. You have to go on a goose chase for her and Cammuraci joins because he ants to find the mysterious escapee. Even if you want to ignore that, Ashera, Noah, even Eunie.
Doesn't matter, things work differently in Aionios. Aging is altered in Aionios so no reason they couldn't alter stuff like memory retention
X already states that they try to wipe their memories when they exit the pods but some remain. You can't argue Moebius is giving soldiers memories of thsir past lives when X explicitly states they do the opposite.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Cammuraci joins because he ants to find the mysterious escapee
That happens during the war. It will be different during peace time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It absolutely is you fricking wienermuncher.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>it’ll just happen and work out, okay?
Hack writing excuse.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Noah and Mio meeting again is also headcanon what are you on about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not. Flute plays at the end
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because Noah hears a flute Noah and Mio meet again. But anyone else is headcanon because they aren't confirmed to hear a flute? You serious?
3 months ago
Anonymous
He hears the flute and disappears. There is nothing else it could be hinting at. No one else gets anything like that
3 months ago
Anonymous
Him dissapearing is headcanon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, you can watch the ending and see he disappears after the bird flies in front of the camera
3 months ago
Anonymous
You just missed him fading into the crowd.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, watch it again
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nikol comes back just so Glimmer can slap his ass again
He's so lucky bros
3 months ago
Anonymous
They are canonically not a couple. They founded separate Houses in the City which means they married other people.
3 months ago
Anonymous
what will he think of his mothers in law
3 months ago
Anonymous
They aren't his mother's in law because they aren't a couple.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rex's family is pretty liberal so they're probably gonna ara ara him a lot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Calm down cuckgay.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh degeneracy > you degeneracy
this fandom needs a hole in the head
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nikol won't date Glimmer so no they won't
3 months ago
Anonymous
The real reaction would be seeing how Rex manages to have 3 wives at the same time, when Mithra alone should be enough to milk him dry every day.
What JRPGs do well, Xenoblade does better than nearly all of its competition:
Character writing, ensemble dynamics, storytelling-through-gameplay, spectacle and thematic depth, indulgent character designs and setpieces
They're not the best games
>Gears is 26 years old >SE is in financial suicide regarding FFXVI
Takahashi better think of something. I know he's approaching in his 60s, but god let him acquire it. I wonder if there'll be an Xeno announcement in the direct. XenoTrigger would be nice. He did work on CT.
XC3 was kinda that. CT is about time, CC is about dimensions, XC3 makes time/space stop and creates a new world/reality with that. So basically Chrono Break.
>XC2
Dogshit.
The mc was awful
The harem anime tropes, anime meme faces and comedy were garbage
The combat was just no strategy nuke spamming
The story was boring as shit for 95% of the game and only got good in the end because it connected itself to the first game
Environments became shit after Uraya (Leftherian looked ok aesthetically but was cramped as shit and had not interesting major settlements) >XC3 and future redeemed
Dogshit.
It took XC1 and XC2's good ending and ruins them by making everyone (who isn't dead) in their worlds have to kill each other for 1000 years
The environments look boring and generic compared to 1 and 2 despite being a mashup of both
The story is vague as shit and the ending makes the whole thing pointless since it retcons itself
The actual story and ending is sold to you via a paid DLC a year later and it retcons the game ending since everyone hated it
It character assassinates the God who helped you in the first game by retconning his lore to make him a generic villain
Then make another half of him that's a nonbinary troony who's the good side where the evil guy side we all knew gets killed off
It lazily attaches this series to a dead franchise right at the end of the DLC
Are these characters actually supposed to be androgynous/non-binary or is it another case of it being vague in the Jap version and the troon localizers insert their headcanon and edit the wikis?
Its the japs being vague about it.
It's kinda funny because to determine that Jupiter is non binary they went into the code for the characters and since Juniper was a different number than the other girls they determined that she was non binary, surprise surprise her voice actor is also non binary,
When it came to A on the other hand since she splits from Alvis they also went into the code, but her code explicit puts A with the other girls but they decided to ignore that little fact, the wiki now says her gender is Unspecified
With Yuzuriha/Juniper it turned out a couple other characters of undisputed gender where coded the same (2 if I recall, as opposed to male 0 and female 1) but naturally that’s not considered relevant by the ones who insist on the non-binary angle
With Yuzuriha/Juniper it turned out a couple other characters of undisputed gender where coded the same (2 if I recall, as opposed to male 0 and female 1) but naturally that’s not considered relevant by the ones who insist on the non-binary angle
It's ridiculous how far they desperately stretch for "representation", but I guess pointing that out makes me a bigot.
you've got rex's comment about the nature of ontos of course, but like with the code supporting a being a girl, and alvis being a man, it's like i dont really need anyone to overtly tell me a's a girl when that was clearly the intention
>Juniper
Japan never mentions Juniper by pronouns
Localizers don't either, use a neutral they before the party meets Juniper because they legitimately didn't know who was attacking them
Twittards say that this means Juniper is non binary, English voice actor says "Yeah" because she didn't know either
Because the gender is coded as 2 (Nevermind the fact that Ethel was also a 2) they used it to "strengthen" their argument >A
Never mentioned with pronouns at all in game. For japan they dont use pronouns like english does and for English it didn't naturally come up since characters don't usually talk about A in the third person
Because of this the social media accounts didn't use pronouns either
morons misinterpret Rex's talk about the trinity cores to mean A is gender neutral (Ontos can be either, Alpha is male and referred to as 'He' multiple times, meaning it would only make sense for A to be female or there'd be an imbalance)
They conveniently discard the code argument by the way since A is written as a 1
They conveniently ignore the idea of Anima and Animus, no way would Takahashi put a reference like THAT into any of his games
tl;dr: The Twitter cabal only looking for what they want to see and blocking out any form of reason, average internet dissenter won't say shit because you know these types so the wiki compromised. Rare time it wasn't the localizers' fault, sort of
after finishing playing the DE I wanted to see how the original wii version looked like out of curiosity and by god it looks horrible, but I don't understand why it looks like that, the xenosaga 3 designs were decent
PS2 and Wii aren't that far apart in terms of hardware power, and Xenosaga 3 put more focus on the character rendering with smaller explorable environments. Xenoblade 1 had huge explorable environments, especially for a console like the Wii. It was the right choice for gameplay but the graphics quality had to suffer for it.
Unironically, if Monolith okay'd a Xenoblade gacha, letting them get more popularity, I could see girls like Perun, Theory, Praxis, Zenobia, Newt, and Harold all getting figs.
>a fricking FIGMA
I'm beyond mad, what a wasted opportunity. I hope it means if she sells well to normalgays buying jointshit, it means a scale down the line, but alas I just know it means the exact inverse.
>What went so right?
It's permanent end is what went right. Now we can finally move on from this shitty pocket dimension to X/Saga universe on switch 2
Unless it is X 2, then I don't want more Xenoblade. I've had enough and I didn't even bother playing 3. If the only thing Monoliftsoft can do is rehash gears shit from 25 years ago then that is pretty pathetic.
The only Xenoblade I'd be maybe okay getting a sequel is X.
Other then that, I agree. I'm sick of everything being tied together in the most moronic ways they could think up. I didn't like XB2 being connected to XB1, and I don't like XB3 for that same reason.
I wish they made figures of the villains. I want a Jin figure to go alongside my Sephiroth one and I'd sooner buy a Malos or N figure than a Rex or Noah one.
Between Xenoblade, help on building BOTW, supporting other Nintendo projects, Nintendo acquiring Monolith is probably one of the most important things they've done. Funny that it happened because Monolith just begged Nintendo to free them from Bandai.
Genuinely, I think Monolithsoft are some of the devs I respect most at the moment. How they manage to do what they do with the given hardware, put out pretty high quality games and still support all these other projects is a wonder.
I'm replaying Xenoblade X since I haven't touched it since like 2016 and I'm just wondering why I haven't played it more like the others.
>Nintendo in general have excellent tard wranglers
This, the death of Iwata was a massive tragedy for Pokemon fans since he was the only person keeping GameFreak somewhat competent, without him they went full moron.
>he was the only person keeping GameFreak somewhat competent
Nice cope, but he wasn't. Game Freak was never a competent studio, they just got a free pass because of hardware limitations for handhelds leading to lower expectations. The cracks started to appear the second they had to go 3D, then the house of cards completely collapsed with the Switch and people expecting them to deliver Pokemon of the Wild.
Oh, I know this, but they were also incredibly inept at 2D, Iwata was famously the one who came in and fixed their spaghetti code for Pokemon Red and Green and essentially got the game to work with the Gameboy at all, and he remained a big part of Pokemon game development up until gen 5, then he got sick and couldn't work with them anymore from gen 6 forward.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Iwata takes too much credit for GS, sure he did compressed game to fit more stuff, but besides that GF did rest.
He did far more for stadium games.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That rumor was already proven to be bullshit. Iwata helped them by using a code that made the game slightly faster to make battles smoother, but increased the size of the game file.
Lads... We're got getting a Xenosaga collection are we? I downloaded them all to emulate but I think i'll give it one more direct before I just go ahead and finally play them
Honestly I haven't played xenogears or xenosaga because I'm afraid of a remake or remaster coming out while I'm playing them, it happened to me with chrono cross
Xenogears is 100% never getting remastered or remade because the fans would never accept Square Enix trying to use (Or even worse, continue) the franchise without Takahashi at the helm and he despises SE so it's extremely unlikely he'll ever collaborate with them, he didn't even bother trying to include anything from Xenogears in the radio segment in Future Redeemed, so I guess you can go ahead and play that, you'll easily discover it is essentially a beta for Xenoblade 3.
I would hold off on Xenosaga for now even if I don't think they'll do a direct port of it, they're most likely remaking it and including stuff from Xenoblade X.
There's some things that would make it hard for a direct port of Xenosaga to work as part of the Xenoblade world, like the fact that in Xenosaga they explicitly state aliens do not exist in that universe but they do in X, which the radio in FR also makes canonic.
I'd be more inclined to believe they're making a full remake of saga that's more compatible with blade's lore.
A full remake would be cool, idk maybe I should just go ahead and play them as is and if that happens then at least I'll be able to enjoy the comparisons of before/after
A full remake would be cool, idk maybe I should just go ahead and play them as is and if that happens then at least I'll be able to enjoy the comparisons of before/after
now that they are successful and have more experience i hope they try to tell the xenosaga story again, i love xenoblade but i love the sci-fi part of xenosaga too, there are almost no good sci-fi JRPGs
I heard rumours of them working on a full X remake, it'd be cool if they use it as a springboard for the Xenosaga remakes, after all, X is essentially what happened before Xenosaga in the Perfect Works timeline.
This.
I really love how the characters in Xenoblade are essentially middle-ages humans surrounded by crazy futuristic lost tech and they just sort of accept it as magic.
It's kind of great how they aren't completely clueless as they have mechs and shit, but you can really tell they aren't as advanced as they were before Klaus's experiment. It's a pretty interesting take ngl, and also makes me wonder what would happen when you take people with that sort of mindset and then put them back into the Xenosaga timeline.
I think it'd be a good niche to go back too as well in terms of being on Nintendos platforms, like if Zelda's staying open world that's another big open fantasy game to compete with
yeah, I was between 2 and 3 for my favorite game but although I enjoyed playing 3 more, 2 is still favorite just because of where the story goes in the second half
I don't think anybody has lost with Bayo but Nintendo, Sega gets a piece of the cake without having to do anything and Platinum get all the funding they need to make the games, Nintendo are the ones left to absorb the costs when a Bayo game flops.
>Nintendo are the ones left to absorb the costs when a Bayo game flops.
which hasn't happened since Nintendo got involved. Bayo 2 & 3 were both million sellers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
How about Origins? Wonderful game that nobody touched, it's almost criminal.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but Origins probably wasn't picked up on much because it was just too different from typical Bayo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Platinum really mishandled that one, releasing it right after 3 made it look like an afterthought when everything i've heard about it makes it sound like a fantastic game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I agree, and it being a prequel yet releasing AFTER 3 also fricked that game up, all the necessary context for both faeries and Cereza's relationships with Luka and Cheshire is hidden in Origins.
I think Bamco would be partial to selling the rights for Xenosaga to Nintendo given how badly their last few games have bombed, Nintendo and Bamco have always had a good relationship, they were even making Metroid Prime 4 before Retro took over the project, and they allowed Takahashi to include stuff from Xenosaga in Xenoblade 2 and 3.
Melia is just a stronger character and people naturally gravitate towards her, she's far more emotionally complex, her story involves themes of sacrifice and duty, she's fallible but tries so hard it's hard to not get invested in her and when she finally becomes the queen she's essentially become a paragon of virtue.
On the other hand Fiora is very one-note, she essentially just exists to be Shulk's wife, she doesn't even attempt to get close to anyone else in the party, even Reyn and Dunban have very little screen time with her and she never truly connects with Sharla, Riki or Melia, even her storyline revolves around Shulk in some manner (Shulk is Zanza's vessel, she is Meyneth's), she's just whatever.
Makes sense, Mio is pretty much just a plot device.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Mio is fine, but she's designed to appeal to japanese men, she's the quintessential jap waifu, quiet, reserved, self-sacrificial, a bit somber.
Eunie directly appeals to us westoids because we like our women feistier.
3 months ago
Anonymous
helps that her dub va fricking killed the role too, i can generally play xenoblade either way, but i dont know if i'd want to play xenoblade 3 without kitty archer as eunie
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think 2 is the only game I prefer in japanese, not even because I personally dislike the english VA's (Not even Rex's) but because of the dismal direction and lip syncing.
With 1 you have the stellar work of Adam Howden and Jenna Coleman and in 3 you have Harry McEntire as both Noah and N and yes, Kitty Archer as Eunie, and honestly it was incredibly endearing to hear Matthew use so many weird words I have never heard and talk endlessly about beans.
At this point the english voices with lots of accents from all over the commonwealth is just the flavor of the franchise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i could even be fine with bad lip syncing with better direction, that'd have sorted out the few issues i had with rex's too because while i was generally fine with him in most scenes, stuff like "join me" needed a lot more oomph for the moment it was
David Menkin as Malos makes me forgive it though
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This is what people consider a "good" dub
i can't even tell if you people are baiting anymore, Eunie's awful irish accent made me switch the voices so fricking fast it's not even funny.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Eunie isn't irish, she's wienerney.
3 months ago
Anonymous
even worse!
3 months ago
Anonymous
I played both, and 3 feels pretty dry in Japanese, the dub adds a lot more of personality to each character.
1 had the same issue, and some choices seem really odd when you compare versions, like Norio Wakamoto not really being a good fit for Metal Face's personality. Then you have Adam Howden's performance completely mogging JP Shulk.
The only game where I can safely say the Japanese version is superior is 2, and only because the main cast, minus minge cat, is really that fricking bad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
isn't Agnes in general glorious imperial nippon and Keves her majesty's royal bongland?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No. You frickers see two opposing factions and think one must be bong and one must be jap.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Keves is more germanic in style, or just westoid in general, you can even see this in their fashion, like Melia's queen dress and Zeon's jacket.
Melia is just a stronger character and people naturally gravitate towards her, she's far more emotionally complex, her story involves themes of sacrifice and duty, she's fallible but tries so hard it's hard to not get invested in her and when she finally becomes the queen she's essentially become a paragon of virtue.
On the other hand Fiora is very one-note, she essentially just exists to be Shulk's wife, she doesn't even attempt to get close to anyone else in the party, even Reyn and Dunban have very little screen time with her and she never truly connects with Sharla, Riki or Melia, even her storyline revolves around Shulk in some manner (Shulk is Zanza's vessel, she is Meyneth's), she's just whatever.
I think the gameplay has truly peaked with 3, the battle system is a perfected version of 2 with some small nods to 1 to make it work with the plot, the hero system is much better than blades, the classes are a party-wide implementation of X, the exploration aspect has also never been better and the character writing is stellar and literally nobody is left behind unlike 1 and 2 where characters like Dunban and Morag feel relatively underdeveloped.
My two gripes with 3 have to do with the overall world design and the story; I know that the world is meant to resemble Ouroboros but compared to the titans of 1 and 2 and even planet Mira it's kinda bland so i hope we come back to something more unique in the next game; and the story felt a little barebones compared to how epic and grand 1 and 2 were, I know that this was meant to highlight the characters more but why do we need to choose? I want a lovable cast AND a great story with lots of twists and turns.
I agree with a lot of this. Sena got shafted a little bit, but compared with the outliers in past parties, she's still always right there in the party interactions. The battle system is right where it needs to be, at least as far as this style goes.
I think exploration isn't nearly as good as X, but in many ways that was the main point in that game and I like the main series more linear but open story style, while still keeping things around at all times that can kick your ass. Like for instance you can run into Colony Iota, who will kick your ass at that point in the game or the usual end game leveled enemies. FR on the other hand managed to one up its base game in exploration by tying in character upgrades with exploration.
One huge improvement that I don't see mentioned often is the sidequests. The implementation of them, there being multiple colonies to get them from, and the way they work the world in felt more fun and meaningful than 1 and 2, which had elements of that, but fell flat in making them at all enjoyable. DE's QoL was clearly a step in the right direction that led to 3.
3 also led to huge advances in character models to the point where they now look better in-game than their official art. It's a new high for anime style art in gaming.
I also agree that 3's world lacked the big fantastical zones of 1 and 2 and I'd like to see that creativity. It's obviously still there but ironically the less important areas in 3 wound up being the more interesting ones. I do think stuff like the entire Cadensia was an extremely fresh concept though.
I hope Xenoblade or something continues from Monolith Soft and I hope they get some extra power for the next game. 2 actually had better visuals than 3, but it had issues so 3 instead key aspects and then took a different route to look better on average. The entire series on Switch is just too low resolution for its own good and it really shows in DE for instance when you're looking at vistas.
I was constantly expecting some cheeky references to the older games, as characters stopped to notice how strange some of the things in the world are, like giant hands and other body parts, a fricking sword and a weird whale monster mountain. I even had this scenario where Taion would jump in with the "ackshually, that's just apophenia", but it never happened. What a waste.
They do that a little but it'd be kinda absurd for them to do that all the time given this is the world they inhabit so to them it is mundane until an outsider makes them notice it, the fanservice is there for us, when you leave Keves Castle and a naturalistic rendition of Sword Valley starts playing it's for the benefit of the player, not the characters.
>bunch of leakers all confirmed at the same time that the switch 2 will have BC and possibly the option for enhancement patches
i hope monolith does that for 1DE, 2 and 3
If Future Connected was really a teaser for a remake of Xenosaga, Xenoblade Saga or Episode IV, would you be ok if it had a full turn-based combat?
Personally I really enjoyed Episode III’s gameplay.
Not saying they will change the usual Xenoblade combat, but I’d enjoy if they did for the next few games.
No, I think Xenosaga is Xenosaga and Xenoblade is Xenoblade, it's great to play around and drop little hints of a connection here and there but don't modify the core essence of either series for the sake of fanservice.
are the games too imbalanced? you don't have to minmax to just beat the games, but I do and by the time I reach the final bosses in 1 and 2, I just one-hit killed them.
i feel like they pretty much did all they could with Xenoblade's battle system. You can only get so far with the iterative changes we got after each game.
I think it's time they shake things up for Xenoblade 4, though I'm not sure how, while still keeping its Xenoblade identity.
>Lost Jerusalem is literally Earth. >Kos-Mos is sent out to find it. >A mysterious blue light falls to Earth after the end of 3.
She's coming back, isn't she? Also, the fact that the chabged Alvis into a brown chick with grey hair is interesting, A looks a lot like Kos-Mos.
>Even if she does it's not going to be "Shulk and Rex go to space with KOS-MOS" or whatever stupid crap people on Ganker are expecting
Where and when I have read something like that, again
Xenoblade 2's DLC was ShulkxElmaxKos-Mos fanfic. So it's safe to say the main story will alude to previous games at most then DLC will go into overdrive.
But more seriously, everything is honestly open for the craziest shit.
The most logical thing from a financial standpoint is to do it like XC3 though, a story and a cast made for people that will play this entry as their first game to the franchise. It keeps things fresh and accessible. At the detriment of old timers, as it was for XC3 yet again. It has its + and its -
Or y’know just do something new entirely with connections being tangential at most for loregays, instead of trying to have it both ways like 3 and just making the narrative equivalent of room temp water.
I would have agreed with you if FR ended at the fight against Alvis and that's it, closure of the trilogy. But that's not how it went, it had more, and they made a point to put that "more" upfront.
So as it is, they'll have to expand on what they teased.
If you don't want the narrative to go the way XC3 did (which I can understand and agree with you, it was detrimental to its story), and if Takahashi really wants to connect to Saga (or X for all i care), then just put the Xenoblade trilogy to pause, and dedicate the next 3 games to a complete nex arc with its set of characters. Which could very well be remaking Xenosaga (or X-2 and X-3) for a few games, and then connect it again properly (so we're looking at Xenoblade 7 here) with the original trilogy.
That's a grand plan though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they'll have to expand on what they teased.
What the frick are you even talking about
you just reminded me that I never bought the DLC
what was that "brand new original story scenario"? can you explain
for which game? Torna is about the Aegis War that eventually leads to Mythra sealing herself away and Torna being killed. Future Redeemed I haven't played either but I'm pretty sure it's about the creation of the City. Also Rex is the most chaddest Nintendo character now https://youtu.be/SjMk4xDXlvM?si=wCD6orJU4huOuTvE&t=161
the third game. so how do you play it, where do you start, what happens, how long is it
You just need to buy it from the Eshop (expansion pass) and it becomes a selectable option on the game’s main menu. It’s a totally separate campaign from the main game, and you can play it at any point, but I would recommend playing it after you beat the main story of 3. It relies heavily on your knowledge of that game’s events
>the third game. so how do you play it, where do you start, what happens, how long is it
>You just start it from the main menu, it's a standalone campaign
>What happens
It's set a few hundred years before 3 just after the destruction of the original City and further explains why Z wanted N to do it, he wanted to stop Alvis from taking the survivors, the people who were created within Aionios, and taking them to a new world using Origin and destroying Aionios in the process.
It's about 20-25 hours long.
The game opens with 20-something Shulk and Rex fighting Alvis alongside Z, a fight they turn out to have lost, then it jumps to the aftermath of N destroying the first city, N's great-grandson Matthew is working with a chick called A to find the survivors from the city, they run into two colonies destroying each other and rescue Nikol (Kevesi, Shulk's son) and Glimmer (Agnian, Pyra's daughter) and remove their flame clocks, Glimmer then escapes and is found by Shulk and Reyn's daughter Panacea, but she idiotically calls up Moebius and gets everyone attacked by the past consul W, Rex shows up with Zeke's daughter Linka and saves everyone, then Shulk brings them all to the original Colony 9 where they meet Riku (And he pretty much confirms that he's Kino's son) and start making preparations to go to Prison Island to confront Alvis again; on the way there they meet with Matthew's sister Na'el near Raguel Bridge but she has gone completely nihilistic and hates Agnus and Keves and is being used by Alvis as a conduit (Like Pyra with Rex) to destroy the old worlds and move on with the city's people and Origin to a new planet, N shows up and tries to kill Na'el/Alvis to protect the endless now but Matthew stops him, then we're shown that N never wanted to kill his son (Ghondor) back in the city but rather Alvis used Na'el to manipulate him emotionally into jumping in front of N's sword; everyone goes up to Prison Island and into Origin, there's a massive infodump that essentially makes both Xenosaga and Xenoblade X (And possibly Xenogears) canon to the Xenoblade world, everyone fights Alvis, he dies but it turns out he was only half of Alvis and A is his other half and her, Shulk and Rex become the new avatars of the world in place of Ontos, which allows Z to seize full control of Origin. In the final scene we see the aftermath of the final battle in 3, the two worlds are slowly separating but they suddenly become one.
>muh Rex
Unironically killed this fandom to appeal to gooners who just wanna self-insert and fap all day.
The character is fine and well developed. Fandoms are always cancer.
Haremshit unironically poisoned the well, and then they didn’t even bother doing anything with it from a storytelling perspective other than jerking off all the fat weebs in their game that was supposed to convince to talk to an IRL woman. It’s cancer.
Yes it was barely represented in the games and didn't do anything with it. Hence fandoms are cancer because you're overblowing an issue where there was none.
Introducing elements and not doing anything with them is bad storytelling. Bad storytelling that only exists to cater to the worst parts of the fandom and gets them to start acting worse, while flying in the face of what you wanted to tell them in your story, is creatively bankrupt.
You're seething over an image that exists in the final game's epilogue. There can be no bad storytelling because there is no story telling for it. It doesn't fly in the face of anything. It's an Easter egg that has no bearing on the central characters and the story being told.
>bring Rex back in the DLC
>Nia and their descendants ultimately mean nothing to his role in the story
Oh, whoops! Is it inconvenient for you when I bring up the DLC they clearly planned ahead of time?
Nia isn't represented in future redeemed so yes she doesn't mean anything to its story. His descendant is a character motivator but only one of them is represented which is inconvenient for your harem argument because again, it isn't represented.
>If we introduce stuff regarding the main characters to appeal to the segment of the fandom that sees the game as nothing more than a masturbation aide, it’s fine so long as we just don’t address it otherwise.
Nah. It’s one of 3’s many narrative failings.
Again, you're inserting issues where there are none. We've already clarified how the harem aspect played no aspect in Xeno3's narrative or DLC.
>Game is literally "marry and reproduce" the game
>Rex gets picture at the very end of the game showing him doing that x3
>This ruins the franchise and goes against the theme
???
No Rexgay is gonna get with one woman, let alone three. You know damn well why it’s there. It’s for the people who are still very afraid of real life and need the fantasy where multiple supermodel women suck their dick for having the basic qualities of having a job and human decency.
NTA but I like Rex and have a loving girlfriend. You’re having a meltie over a very small minority of the fanbase
Projecting too hard unhinged anon. It's just an image used as a nod to people who played the previous game
See
See
Married with 2 children and a 3rd on the way. Meanwhile you're seething over an image.
It’s disgusting you married two children.
>Haremshit unironically poisoned the well
that started with XC1 anon, or do you think it's normal for science geek Shulk to be the lead in a love triangle between two smoking hot babes?
post breasts
> An MC so poorly received they had to retcon him from the ground up into a GigaChad completely devoid of his original self
LOL no, there's not a single thing natural about his character development.
>retcon
Nah, he simply grew up since then
>why does a young teenager grow into an adult that physically resembles his ancestor
He was already a giga chad at the end of 2. In future redeemed his body grew to reflect his age.
The only self inserts in 2 are Tora and maybe Zeke if you're a sex haver.
Absolute bullshit and you know it
Keep seething bro
Xenoblade 2 won
>purposedely leaving XB sales out
KEK
You sold worse than the first game
The Wii version sold less than a million.
Still sold 600k more than 2
Stay mad kek
XB2 sold over 2 million.
And XB sold over 3 million
>Rex is the most chaddest Nintendo character
true
Why do redditors love Xenoblade so much? Most of these homosexuals hate anything "too anime" or "weeb" and yet these threads are always filled with them. Because let's not lie to ourselves, every single dubgays are r*ddit tourists
>dubgays get the rope
Is it because of the meme shitty britbong dub?
the scenes just aren't the same in Japanese sorry
Yes they're garbage, don't act like you aren't a moronic dubgays.
>describes redditors as the opposite of anons
In what world?
>dubgays get the rope
remember this, newbie
>newbie
i too make assumptions about anons based on how badly they fricked me in the ass
>that shitty banter to move the goalpost
You're a dubgay on Ganker, you cannot have a bigger redflag than that, you're a moronic tourist with shit tastes. There's nothing else that you can say that can change this fact
you're out here calling me a dubgay when i haven't even mentioned the dub, you don't even read the posts you reply to.
Do you need to when it's obvious? Or are you trying again to be a smartass, you stupid frick?
>he admits it
well, no further point to this then. anyway, only problem with 2 was the gacha system. no idea why they thought that would be a good idea, especially considering the wildly varying usefulness of rare blades.
>only problem with 2 was the gacha system. no idea why they thought that would be a good idea, especially considering the wildly varying usefulness of rare blades.
>most bland, uninspired, copy-pasted take
Sasuga redditBlack person. And no, the gacha system was definitely not a mistake, like you said, most of the rare blades all have a varying usefulness. The RNG of the gacha system gives the game a lot of replayability and different playthroughs depending of the rare blade you get. Just go back to r*ddit already with your shitty low quality posts
>why do redditors love xenoblade?
>describes redditors as the opposite of anons
>claims that xenothreads are full of redditors
uh huh.
>Future Redeemed
I beaten it and I was never told what happened to mythra's child. not a single hint. I haven't 100% so maybe there is hope?
well Ganker what happened to that child?
Never mentioned or hinted at.
Last chance for it is in the XC3 artbook, where there could maybe be some concept art of it.
damn really? maybe they want to make a "sequel" or start a new trilogy based on that missing character
>maybe they want to make a "sequel" or start a new trilogy based on that missing character
No thank you
Rex's family already got plenty of spotlight in both 3 and FR
>XC3
>"the heroine was actually Rex's kid all along!"
>XC4
>"the hero was actually Rex's kid all along!"
What a dumb idea.
Again, these are morons you draw in with haremshit. People who now think the franchise needs to focus solely on the one “speshul” character that they use for jerk-off fodder.
Nips love those kind of snowflake characters.
>People who now think the franchise needs to focus solely on the one “speshul” character
But 3 already has plenty of that, why do they need more?
Because they whale for all the expensive toys, and keep the game alive in public discourse by not shutting the frick up about the porn on Twitter. Don't be surprised if 4 relapses into more Rexwank because they left themselves an out to do so.
I know Rex is the highlight of this moment, but I love Matthew dude, he's so cool, the way he takes care of Nikol and Glimmer despite barely knowing them is great
Shame he didn't get a whole game
both Torna & FR could've easily been full titles and they'd probably be some of the best games in the series.
Honestly in a way I'm kinda shocked that FR wasn't what Xenoblade 3 was, and I respect Xenoblade 3 a lot for not being a super fanservicey story from mashing the worlds of 1 and 2 together
Torna would have been even better as a full experience too,it had such a strong party and seeing Malos at his peak was kino
I think XB3's biggest failing was in its advertising showing the Mechonis Sword posed over the Urayan titan. There was concept art somewhere of an alternate cover spread showcasing the ferronises instead
Definitely, like they're both fairly significant locations but the specific posing of them really made the scale of the war between Agnus and Keves feel a lot grander
Yeah, like they were casualties in the war.
I think it would have done more for XB3's reception if they leaned more on the ferronises and kept the fusion of Alrest and Mechonis/Bionis a secret along with the Queens' appearances
you missed the entire shitstorm about whether or not 3 blew it by being so different
See I agree that there was a lot of cool things they could have done with that world, but despite it not being my favourite in the trilogy by any means, I appreciate that 3 didn't lean on heavy nostalgia
There's some great potential iconic images with the Ferronis's too, like the Ferronis's "bleeding" after Noah/Mio destroy the Flame Clocks and it's thematically fitting too as if you're engaging with that world a lot, you'll be freeing a lot of people. Then the inclusion of the various races in the party can be what hints at a connection to 1 and 2
>Then the inclusion of the various races in the party can be what hints at a connection to 1 and 2
Exactly
And also, the Ferronises are the 'Titans' of XB3. They're the overwhelming god-like entities that dictate the lives of the people who live with them, for good or ill.
That's a stretch.
If you care even a little about the trilogy Future Redeemed is a must. For a nostalgia gay like me that played first xc on wii IT was the most fun i had.
X port never ever
>Tfw don't need a port because I'm one of the twelve people that played it on Wii U
And even if they ever remaster it, it still won't look and work as good as on PC, so it's really pointless.
Or worse, they may change the artstyle.
Good. We know they are finally capable of doing Tanaka’s art justice now.
XCX used to be fun on Ganker. We enjoyed it and each other's company.
I mostly want a port so I don't have to keep my Wii U hooked up for one fricking game. I still play X semi-regularly. Might just emulate it at this point.
despite some of the anime cringe and coom 2 had the most soul to me at least and by far the best soundtrack and story beats but 1 and 3 were also pretty cool. 2+Torna is my number 1 spot with 3 and 1 interchangeable at 2
i feel like whichever one you play last will be the weakest to you. I know a few people who played 2 -> 3 -> 1 and felt 1 was by far the worst, but people who played 1 first felt it was by far the best.
1 has the worst gameplay, only a few delusional anons actually dispute that. So playing it after the others makes it feel like a slog.
Mogged final fantasy so hard they can't even, remake a game properly
Ready for the next MS game next month?
Yep. It’s a Fire Emblem Three Houses JRPG. Fodlan given full environments.
I’m pretty skeptical of whether or not we’ll get something from them. I have a feeling we’re in a gap year from them, seeing as we’ve gotten so much from them in the last three.
If we get anything, it definitely won’t be Xeno, which I’d be perfectly fine with (Baten Kaitos 3 please). I just wanna see what they’re capable of on Nintendo’s new hardware. If any team is capable of flexing it, it’s them
isn't Baten Kaitos a Namco property?
>Baten Kaitos 3 please
Monado: Beginning of the World was already 'legally distinct' Baten Kaitos 3.
Everything after XB1 is dogshit
Nintendo gave them a budget but also made sure they didn't try to do anything moronic.
Read the interviews Takahashi or some other Monolith high up did. Nintendo rejects a shitload of their pitches.
>What went so right?
Being released on the Nintendo Wii with spectacular world exploration.
I didn't play the rest. Except XCX; also supreme world exploration.
ADVENTURE!
I bought a Wii U for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Smash Bros., and XCX.
Loved 'em. XCX was fantastic fun to explore and collect.
I love Elma!
Same.
What do you mean? Series peaked with X and 3 is by far the most linear Xenoblade.
Did Future Redeemed get a physical release?
Sadly no.
Nothing, game was ass. JRPGS that concentrate one the main char gameplay and reduce your team control to suggestions are garbage.
LADS
so I finished the second and the third game. I still haven't played the first one. what should I expect?
A very slow battle system at the start. Be sure to upgrade your arts often (and buy art manuals once they start appearing in the shop) to speed it up.
Also don't play only Shulk, in XC1 every character plays completely different, and one of the others may fit your playstyle more.
Expect a similar rollercoaster ride but with less mechanics being the first game. It's the most balanced of the series.
>It's the most balanced of the series.
Lol, lmao even.
>5 games, only the first one is memorable and good.
>2nd game is remembered for the two breedable swords.
>3rd game is only remembered for the eroge harem ending.
>X is so forgettable even OP forgot to include it in pic.
Xenoblade is a good example of a series where you should just stop after the first game and go off with dignity.
I'm sure the most replayed segment of the 2022 game awards is because of the games eroge harem ending and not it's stellar musical score
im not saying the shitposter you responded to is correct, but that part of the vga's is so popular because Flute Guy went absolutely crazy. They brought him back for the next vga's. and im sure its precisely because he became a meme.
True
Just a reminder that Iwata was the reason 1 actually had a flowing Beginningn-Middle-End story. Because he forced Monolith to actually finish work on assets for the core plot they had first rather than let things go off the rails because Takahashi had a great idea for a twist or side-story part way through development.
what's the fifth game
>he hasn’t played Xenoblade 0
You’ve been spared, that’s the worst one.
>Xenoblade 0
Klauschads, let's go home...
Wouldn’t Xenoblade 0 just be Saga collection with a post credits scene showing Klaus
Didn’t like Xenoblade 3 on release but I enjoy it now. Takahashi is a genius.
Didn’t like Xenoblade 3 on release and I still don't like it. Takahashi is a hack.
The reason these games are niche is because no working man in their late 20s and over has the time to play single-player games that demand thousands of hours.
>thousands of hours
I 100% the game at 80hrs and took my time. Not sure where you're getting thousands from
a 100% playthrough of 1 + FC, 2 + Torna, X, 3 + FR is easily over a thousand hours
Nah I 100% all those and have about 500 hours
>500 hours
thats still crazy. The average Call of Duty campaign is 3 hours or less
Sure they're long games. Probably the longest I've spent on a franchise that's not Monster Hunter.
Xenoblade 1 takes 120 hours to 100%
It's not possible to 100% Xenoblade 2
Xenoblade 3 takes 180 hours to 100%
I'm still waiting bros.
I didn't like XC3's class system, I hope the next Xenoblade doesn't just try to throw so much shit into its mechanics that doesn't amount to anything meaningful.
I think XC2 is a good midway point, characters have a defined role by their signature blade but there's still a strong amount of flexibility.
Anyone else feel like 2's world could've been an entire series? I like 3 a lot but a game with a new set of titans, blades, drivers, and all that would be peak, a true 2 sequel.
Hell even an expanded version of Torna that has more story beats and adds 2-3 more titans to explore would be amazing.
>hurrr just do the same shit every time
no
Better to explore more facets of a world you’ve established, than throw the entire world into a meat grinder because you’re desperate to tie it into a Bible fanfic you’ve been desperately clinging onto and retconning all your stories for for the past two and a half decades.
>retconning
Are you forgetting that Xenoblade 2 was the game that established the multiverse shit in the first place?
Its just the resident Ganker XC2 schizogooner. This is the third thread within 24h. Just let him be or he will use your replies to desperately keep the thread alive.
At least 1 and 2 had cool towns and regions.
3 was just crappy military encampments everywhere.
XC2 is basically Granblue Fantasy meets Xeno.
A series with this setting would be cool.
You could do an insane amount of shit in Alrest. The spin-off potential was definitely there.
But once the Blade System got reworked thanks to Klaus and titans all simultaneously dead off to form the new landmass, you would have had to change a lot of how the characters interact.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of room for more in 2's world.
>3 gives Rex an eroge harem
>all of his descendants are super important to the plot in both 3 and FR
>the MC is obsessed with his daughter
>"waaaahhhhh it's not a real sequel to 2!!!"
why are 2gays like this?
In that anon’s case probably because he liked the game for reasons other than just being his sex fantasy. 3 was a fricking boring world, the game effectively just feels like one long filler arc for knuckledraggers who will clap because they recognize familiar things.
3 is dogshit but "just do 2 again" isn't the answer.
You can do a story in the same setting without having it be “same story again”.
XC2's world is completely changed by the end.
Then do something in that changed world. Y’know all that potentially interesting stuff and major changes to the world powers that were just told all happened offscreen in less than decade in XC3.
>Then do something in that changed world
Why? Their story is done.
Apparently it wasn’t because the entire world turned into a Japan-themed one-world government within the span of a few years to suit 3’s narrative.
because the world they created for 2 had limitless potential and throwing it out was a waste.
Yeah, 3 in general was a mistake, including the harem. Nia should've stay cucked
NTA but yeah that harem thing was weird and forced. I'd even prefer if they kept Rex with his original model instead of Rex-chad.
And isn't 3 in the same setting? Or are you counting it as not the same setting because it doesn't have your waifu?
Kys virgin homosexual
It’s a shittier version of 1 and 2’s settings with a drab story that drags on. The entire game is a filler arc to justify perfect works with its ending.
>It’s a shittier version of 1 and 2’s settings
ITs the same setting, its a sequel
A sequel that is ashamed at being a sequel, while also being ashamed at trying to be its own thing. How aren’t you getting this? 3’s biggest downfall is a lack of identity.
How is Aionious the same setting as Alrest? No drivers/blades, no titans, no cloud sea, no core crystals, no Praetorium, no flesheating/bladeeating, etc. It's an entirely different story with flame clocks, ferronises, ouroboros, moebius, and all the rest of this shit. You can't say it's a pure continuation of 2's world.
>You can't say it's a pure continuation of 2's world.
It literally is. Your god Takahashi decided this is the best route for the world, just like he decided to give your favorite MC his eroge harem. Either accept it all or accept none of it
i accept that Takahashi decided to take the story in that direction, but it's NOT 2's world anymore and has a ton of it's own ideas, all I said is I'd be interested in seeing a sequel to 2 that did more with the preexisting elements, rather than replacing them.
well your god Takahashi decided it wasn't needed
And everything you said is explained. Just play the game. If you have a problem with anything, bring it up with Alvis
3 ISN'T the same setting? I know it stings, but think critically for a moment.
Aionios is some weird bastardized fusion of the worlds of 1 and 2 without either of their charm. It's actually insane how boring they mananged to make things like Valak Mountain or the Leftherian Archipleago.
The people of 3 are also generally different, with us only seeing 5 characters return in this game because they couldn't decide between making the game feel like a proper sequel or cutting enough references so that some poor idiot could play it alone without playing the first two and not be completely lost. And they failed in both regards.
Hey I agree with you, 3 is a shitshow
But thats a problem with writting. The fusion, universes sort of fighting against each other, Origin and someone hijacking it by themselves were fine. How they connected the dots is what made it an horrible experience
Ok FF troony
Nice try but everyone knows the only ones advocating for 2 sequel are the trannies (and the virgin schizo)
has nothing to do with the characters, just the mechanics. For all I care they can have an entirely new cast and not even mention the Aegis, I just want to explore on top of big ass monsters again, and I thought the rare blade system was fun even if other people hated it.
>just the mechanics
XC3 uses the same mechanics aside from gacha trash
it's weird because 3 is as much a sequel to 2 as 2 is a sequel to 1: not in a literal sense and more in a thematic sense (with some plot elements crossing or carrying over).
I think with Xenosaga, Takahashi isn't really keen to do long stories that require previous entries to make sense. It just limits the audience and also means that he can't tell a full story and has to drag it out more.
What's clear with Xenoblade, at least to me, is that Takahashi's storytelling and production chops have developed a lot because he's gotten better at finishing stories within the budget and timeframe he's given and telling them through characters rather than exposition.
Each Xenoblade game feels like a complete story, and (at least after 1) you get the sense that he's also gotten better about weaving and re-interpreting elements from previous games to become part of the scaffolding of a larger meta narrative without sacrificing each game's own story.
Like, FR has a lot that is missed if you didn't play 1, 2 and 3 but, at its core, you still get a pretty strong narrative of a brother trying to save his sister from the despair she's experienced and restoring her faith in building a future
Tbh, the quality of those stories are still inferior to what he used to do. Btw, the man himself fill this way.
*feel this way.
Meds here I come.
So what? You wanted Avengers Endgame Xenoblade edition?
they needed to do either make 3 feel like it's own unique thing or a culmination of 1 and 2, trying to do both at once without committing just leaves it feeling confused.
I didn't want Avengers Endgame:Xenoblade Edition, but I would have taken it over what we got. I wanted a world were the shit we did would have lasting effects. I wanted to see more characters than what we did, and not have their mere presense be a point of confusion. I wanted them to acknowledge previous events and characters with more than meta jokes and saying
>Gee, I sure wish SHE was around. HER help would be great right now.
Even though I kinda hate Future Redeemed was a prequel story, it's still closer to what I actually wanted from 3 narratively.
I also wanted a party that didn't bore me to sleep. Noah, Mio and Sena can all take a lap.
Wanna give e a quote on that?
I'd go for that. Maybe even go back further than the events of Torna and explore the other titan(s) that Malos took down, explore places like Judicium, maybe there are other space elevators to explore, stuff like that
Torna padded the main story beats with a bunch of bullshit side questing so no. Would’ve preferred it shorter
it clearly only included sidequest gates because it wanted to pad the length out and make it feel more worthwhile, if they fleshed it out and added content to the story more organically that stuff would hopefully be cut.
I thought 3 was good but not as good as 2, is Future Redeemed worth checking out?
Yeah
Sure, it’s the good part of 3
You've been visited by the Three Queens of Xenoblade.
Sexy sword ladies will be unto you, but only if you reply with a dedication of love to the most popular characters in all of Xenoblade.
No way, gay.
reminder:
~~*HE*~~'s coming
I don't buy that. Every game it was said the original universe was destroyed by being separated in two. I guess you can make a point about Nia and Klaus not being as fully knowledgeable as they think they are about what happened, but Alvis while still in control of the conduit also said that. If new earth ends up being lost jerusalem, there will be something else going and not going back to the old universe which shouldn't exist anymore
We will see anyway. Its a super robot based JRPG, so it will be fun no matter what direction it takes.
>implying playable mechs in XC4
>Every game it was said the original universe was destroyed by being separated in two.
No, it's only Earth (Lost Jerusalem) who was separated in two, that's why it became forbidden territory.
Future Redeemed proved Xenoblade happens in the same universe as Xenosaga
Not only Earth. In the first episode of Xenosaga, chaos says that an area with a diameter of 100 million light years has been transferred to the imaginary number domain.
I actually really, really like the retcon that Kalus is responsible for Lost Jerusalem's disappearance. It ties everything up nicely.
So it's either:
1. KOS-MOS, saga is canon and numbered XC caught up to the saga timeline
2. Deus, gears is canon, or at least an alternate gears where Deus makes it to Lost Jerusalem
3. Elma, X is canon, or at least an alternate X where Elma came to warn a newly re-fused 1-2 Earth
I still feel like KOS-MOS is the most sensible option.
>a newly re-fused 1-2 Earth
Didn't the 3rd game end with the worlds splitting again?
I assume you didn't play 3's DLC. Spoilers obviously, but the worlds do eventually merge together again, but this time "correctly". After that, we see a blue comet land in the new world, which people think is KOS-MOS from Saga.
Where the frick do worlds merge together again? Are you pulling my leg here?
Post-credits cutscene.
Starts around 3:40.
Wtf... doesn't this delete absolutely everyone on both worlds? That's no good ending at All!
We don't see what's happening really so we can't say for sure, but based on what Melia and Nia say during the game, it shouldn't be.
The original crash was going to fully wipe both worlds. They created Origin not to prevent the crash, but rather to recreate the worlds after the fact exactly how they were before it.
Despite this, they still mention that the worlds are destined to meet each other again, and based on their words, we can kind of assume the second meeting should be more "peaceful" than the first, as in the people don't get killed during it.
no, everyone is stored in origin, you can argue that the people from the city are fricked but iirc even they are recorded in a diferent part
>even they are recorded in a diferent part
Maybe, but it's unlikely that 100% of the same people will meet and frick again, since their circumstances will be very different.
>delete
Nope. Flute in the last scene.
They hinted hard that the world that Xenoblade 2 takes place on is the Earth that goes missing in Xenosaga. That's why the Radio has a vector logo on it.
Play Future Redeemed
Albedo is the best villain in the Xeno series.
For all the "worlds" and merging and what have you, I still like how heavily implied that XCX's Mira world is actually purgatory or outright Hell. Everyone is literally dead. The humans, the aliens, the beasts, all coming to Mira after their death, thinking they can leave. But they can't and they don't even know how much time has gone by, if any at all, or if time even matters any more. The only person who knows differently, and is thoroughly enjoying himself, is pic related (his name is an anagram) and how he's keeping it all to himself.
patiently waiting to see my wife's painted figure later today
Is WonFes today?
yeah, should start in 6 hours or so
Cool, hope we get more Xeno figures announced. I’d like some for the male characters, or at least a few Pop Up Parades. I don’t have enough money to afford the fancier scales; most I can do is the occasional figma or nendoroid
I wish it was easier to talk about those games without those one or two schizos obsessed with the harem ending.
They got a new generation of inexperienced children into thinking they are the greatest JRPGs ever. That's pretty impressive and sad.
I hope the new Xenoblade 3 artbook won't be a april fool.
Threads like this really illustrate how right 3’s narrative was in critiquing humanity’s inability to let go and how those hangups corrupt what we used to love, Jesus Christ.
How so many of you people missed the point is totally beyond me
We all get the point, it's not exactly subtle. It's just not a good story. The setting and premise is sorta interesting but it's ruined because everything revolves around Noah and Mio the 2 most boring leads ever.
>It's just not a good story
And thats almost universaly agreed, the one thing XB, XB2 and XBXgays agree on. But advocating for XB2-2 because XB3 didn't have a good story doesn't make sense. That anon should just come straight and say its because its his taste instead of trying to sell it on rationalization as basis.
but the original poster said that he liked 3
>You should learn to let go. My game is super smart.
Will Takahashi learn to let go? Because from FR’s ending, I absolutely do not believe he is capable of what he wants to preach to his fanbase.
It’s not “let go” but “dont stay stuck”
>don't stay stuck
>is stuck on making Perfect Works work no matter how moronic it gets and how much shit he has to retcon
I think that’s part of it too though. That’s why Noah throws his sword away at the ends, it’s very clearly meant to be some part of Takahashi being finally comfortable letting go of Perfect Works now that he’s finally gotten to finish a multi work project like this from start to end.
The whole point is being willing to find closure and move on is as much an issue for Takahashi (which he finally feels he’s done with XB3/FR) as it is for the players
>which he finally feels he’s done with XB3/FR
Did he tell you that personally?
well, let's see; there's that and there's the end of future connected which shows the two worlds merged as one, finally - and then shows kosmos headed towards earth with that blue glint
>source: trust me bro
Yeah okay moron.
No but most authors dont explicitly state the subtext of their works because then it just becomes text. So you’d have the reject the concept that Xenoblade can have subtext to say that the only meaning in the game is what’s outright explicitly stated
That's a lot of words to say "I made it up"
>if you parse any subtext from a work, you made it up
Critical reading skills and literacy are at an all time low, I see
>getting this mad about your own headcanon
kek
I’m not mad, I’m just asking if you believe games (and Xenoblade specifically) are capable of having subtext?
Are those goalposts heavy?
No, we’re starting with how you differentiate between someone’s head canon and subtext because, if all subtext is head canon to you, then there’s no discussion to be had at all
You're pretending to know Takahashi's intentions as if you know the guy personally. That's all I was saying. Get over yourself pseud
I’m not pretending to know but I’m putting forth an interpretation behind why Takahashi has the story the way it is based on both his own development history and the story’s events.
I’m not saying I have a psychic connection to Takahashi, just that the events of the story seem suggest a particular intent on his part. People find this to be an interesting part of art criticism, trying to parse the underlying intended meaning of a work
Nta, but maybe he just want to do mecha kino?
Oh that’s absolutely there but I think when people talk about perfect works, they’re referring to the broader space opera plot rather than just mechs
Like takahashi’s future projects will for sure include mecha kino too
>just that the events of the story seem suggest a particular intent on his part.
His intent is just to bring back muh
xenosaga
>His intent is just to bring back muh
xenosaga
god I fricking wish
Then why end FR on the future tie-in tease? Clearly the old fricker hasn't let go, but just wants to force his audience to. He's a hack, who doesn't actually stand for what he's preaching in his work.
>future tie in tease
You mean the blue light that’s falling towards the new interlinked world?
Just want to make sure I know what you’re referring to
Yes, I dare you fricking tell me that isn't just set-up to tie in the new world to another Xeno game.
It isn't, that'd be dumb
Get ready to suck my dick when you're absolutely fricking wrong.
I’m sure it’ll be relevant to something down the road but as far as Takahashi trying to manifest this grand space opera story that’s lived in his head rent free, I think he’s done with that.
There’ll probably still be some resemblance between any future works to elements in Gear or Saga but that’s just what his pool of inspirations is.
Whatever he makes in the future will almost definitely keep the Xeno prefix but it’ll be towards a different goal, a different core narrative or idea than how the past Xeno titles have mostly been retries at this idea he’s clearly been fixated on.
And I dont even know if he’ll be taking as much of a hands on role or be the scenario writer. He might just start handing off subsequent projects to whatever protégés he has at Monolith Soft
My only point is I doubt the future Xeno projects will be handled with the intent to execute on Perfect Works and its various episodes as much
You know how he could've done that a lot easier? Jus made 3 it's own new story and world worth investing in rather than this slog amalgam, that can't decide whether it's a sequel or it's own thing, dragging behind it's predecessors telling us to move on from them.
3 functionally was though. I’ve seen a solid number of people who started with 3 and loved it without feeling too lost on anything
>can't decide whether it's a sequel or it's own thing
It’s as much as sequel as 2 is. Literally the same complaints were leveraged at 2 on launch, with people complaining that it’s only redeeming qualities were its callbacks to 1
>who started with 3
Yeah, there's the fricking problem. The game was billed as this grand conclusion, but also wanted to play starting point for beginners. So it kind of fricking blows at being a conclusion, and arguably the stories it wanted to 'conclude' didn't need it. Of course people who started with 3 aren't going to be disappointed with how much of it is just hollow, shameless imitation of what came before.
Ganker schizos haven't played the game
>H-hey guys! Forget about those other games! Take this new thing where we awkwardly mesh them together but also we're doing our own thing okay?? Yes, we're vaguely incorporating the other games but don't ask questions about the continuity! Just pay attention to this on its OWN okay? But also look remember these guys from the last games??
Considering the entire game is just a build-up to a tease of pushing Xenosaga and potentially Xenogears into it, Monolith’s insistence that people need to “let go and embrace an uncertain future” is absolute horseshit. And I’m tired of 3gays trying to pretend that it isn’t.
It's not. Those are just fun references.
Note how they all happen in the "stuck in the past, can't let go" dimension that gets ultimately rejected by the cast.
Perfect theme execution.
Light at the end coming to Earth is Elma arriving ahead of Xenoblade X events.
>it’s ackshully nawt, it’s actually throwing everything aside and telling you to move on for this OTHER thing they made previously
Xenoblade X2 is next.
Yes, thanks for smashing 1 & 2’s unique worlds into rubble and telling me to move on for something else older that I also already played.
If you're old enough to understand the message they're telling you to grow up and stop playing games for 12 year olds
Okay. You first. Take the corporate wiener out of your mouth and stop defending the game.
I got the fricking message, we're just saying the delivery sucked ass.
It was needlessly convoluted and boring, which is a feat in of itself.
>Moebius are a group of shallow evil neets who just want to laze around forever
>Fans of xenoblade on Ganker want the franchise to just be more of the same
FF16 lost
XC3 lost
Oyakodon
All shite. Tendies defending this shows how bad the system really is desperate.
Only 2 is OK at best and even then it has a lot going against it
LUDO
They managed to take your average pedobait coomer JRPG and dumb it down enough for nintendo fans to enjoy
but enough about persona
MonolithSoft is just that good. Even when half the staff is forced to work in Zelda mines.
Can't wait to see how they'll make use of Switch 2. Maybe the rumored action game in not that far off.
Then Xenoblade X2.
Then Xenoblade 4
>Started the series with emulating the original on Wii when it released in English in 2011
>It became one of my favorite games ever
>Bought a WiiU for X, really liked it
>Bought a Switch in fall 2017 to get 2 upon release
>Thought it was mid as frick
>Wasn't that excited for 3 but got it because it looked good in it's direct and the reviews were better than 2
>Thought it was absolutely fantastic
>MFW the DLC was rad as frick
probably one of the first people on Ganker i've encountered that thinks 3 is better than 2. Most people on Ganker love 2 and think 3 was a letdown.
I don't think you read enough threads then, opinion is a lot more mixed on 2v3 than you think.
2 has a lot working against it as a game, issues 3 does not have.
>Extremely poor technical performance, being straight up unplayable on handheld with it's 3DS-tier resolutions during gameplay.
>No visual character customization unless you buy DLC and 90% of that is pallet swaps.
>Awful pacing issues, the game becomes a slog during several portions like chapter 4, early chapter 3, chapter 2 to an extent. It doesn't really start to get good until Morag joins the party.
>You basically only have 4 party members as Tora is gimped until chapter 8, but the third and fourth members don't join until chapter 5.
>Significant portions of the game are locked behind a fricking gacha system.
>Many poorly explained gameplay/combat systems. The lack of any sort of in-game guide or tutorial you can look at like 1 had is absolutely baffling for a game that has more things going on.
There's also the surprisingly poor QOL, time wasting gatcha mechanics for rare blades, and worse characterizations for major characters including both party members and especially villains.
2 is easily the most uneven game in the main trilogy and even its DLC campaign suffers from gatelocking via sidequests. There's a lot of things I enjoy about it, but it's for sure the worst of the three even if it's still a very enjoyable game and does a good few things better than the other two.
3 has some issues 2 doesn't have, but it's by far the better game and feels the best to play. Monolith Soft always impresses me with how much they seem to learn with each game.
Yeah, you definitely haven't been in enough threads. Hell, I'd argue most people on the internet like 3 more than 2 because they think 3 is more mature and less "anime cringe".
I like 2 more because I think in every area except gameplay, it's better. And even then, it's got a couple things over on 3.
everything after 1 and 2 the only problem with 1 was the endgame content ramping up like 20 levels outta nowhere, and 2's fricking gacha mechanic.
Nothing. Good series.
Is 2 and 2dlc worth buying? I've got the others already but not sure if I should play
Yes, definitely. If you haven't played any of them I'd suggest starting with 1, but if you already have then 2 is a great follow up. Combat is a little different as it builds on that of the original, but honestly I think it's the best in the series. Be aware that the the game combat doesn't open up until you get a full party of 3, but unfortunately starts you with 1, then 2 characters until chapter 3(?). They did that so you would get the basics down but if you played the first your skills will transfer and you'll be begging for a full party.
Not enough time to play them. They were dirt cheap
Start with the remake of 1 if you have it.
(me)
To add to this, it's always good to start with the first one in these kind of scenarios since they always end up adding or changing things to be more interesting as the series progresses, so if you start with the first 1 you'll go in fresh and won't be disappointed wondering "why don't they have this new feature that was in the 3rd game".
absolutely if you liked the others.
>X, the only good game in the series, isn't even pictured
>no chronicles X
kys
X was the worst. Locking half your party for the whole game, most of the classes were shit, and it took too long to give you the big robot you saw on the cover of the game which is why you bought it in the first fricking place and by the time you got one you probably fell off a cliff and LOST IT because duh, you didn't have insurance.
I don't understand people saying they hate 3 for being so unlike its predecessors.
Those just like the entire trilogy+X?
i remember when homies got mad at the xeno 1 remake because it "looked too anime" instead of looking like shit like it did on the wii.
Can someone direct me to where I can autism read the lore connections for Xenosaga and Xenoblade please.
Do you mean the literal connections, or just thematic ones?
If it's the first, then I think you're looking for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc-3KrXyaAs
Is it a controversial opinion to want the interlinks to return in a new way?
Xenoblade worlds are so beautifuly crafted. I love Monolithsoft.
I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of crazy bullshit they can do with new hardware. Hopefully that action game they're working on isn't too far off.
I don't see them getting much more advanced. I'd rather they stay the same but get rid of the fricking fluid resolution that turns the entire game into a blurry fussy mess the second action happens.
Anyone know if there's a way to remove these white lines in Ryujinx? Are they a problem on Yuzu?
You think people will complain when 4 will only acknowledge the contruction of Origin and how two worlds became one, but without any mentions of 3's and FR's parties?
>implying it will acknowledge the contruction of Origin and how two worlds became one
I just hope they don't reinclude chain attacks.
Xenoblade 3 was pozzed and censored
Xenoblade 3 was sexist and uncensored
maternity
>those shitty covered up swimsuits
Disgusting, Moral crusaders won.
why didn't you list xc1 dlc too Black person
XC1DE looks better than what I remembered.
It's amazing how they managed to create a world as boring as Aionios after how beautiful and soulful Alrest was.
I think Aionios is more fun to explore while Alrest is generally more interesting to learn about.
Aionios is, itself, a space that is actively having its history scrubbed away. That's why maintaining records and history is so important for The City. They actually remember the lives of those who have come before as well as have a founding myth that forms part of their identity.
The City embodies the basic premise of needing to move towards the future, even if that involves backtracking at times out of the dead end you found yourself in
>That's why maintaining records and history is so important for The City.
Ever heard of "show don't tell"?
But it is shown rather than told. The design of everything in the city is more akin to scrap metal than the cleanly uniform and manufactured designs you see for colony soldiers.
My entire spiel about the City just now is something is never explicitly stated, it’s something I observed from the juxtaposition of the City’s culture to that of the colonies. Monica never says “we’re different because we keep track of our history and past”
>Monica never says “we’re different because we keep track of our history and past”
One of their first missions ends with you going to their memorial stone and she literally tells you that. Lmao
No she doesn’t. Not in the main story or her hero quest. She and Travis explain what the practice even is and even draw parallels to offseeinf but they dont actually state the thematic significance of it because there’s some basic respect for the audience having bare-minimum pattern recognition. Like, Monica and Travis never highlight the lack of history and erasure of the past within the colonies when they talk about their own practices and rituals
>but they dont actually state the thematic significance of it
Yeah no shit moron. It's still incredibly obvious to anyone who has an ounce of media literacy, it isn't subtle at all
My point is that it's still showing (and not telling) given that it's left to the viewer to parse it.
Even obvious subtext is still subtext. The intent is to communicate to the viewer using all the parts of the buffalo, so to speak
>given that it's left to the viewer to parse it.
It really isn't. There's only one possible interpretation
Subtext isn't meant to be open to interpretation as much as it's meant to be something for the reader to put together on their own.
Subtext isn't the same as ambiguity. They can overlap but there's often an intended interpretation of certain elements of a story by the author that's meant to be arrived at
Still isn't that difficult to piece together
Again, I wasn't claiming it was. But that it is left to be pieced together at all means it's shown, not told.
I wasn't trying to suggest it's super clever, or even that it was subtext. Just that it was a nice juxtaposition between The City and the colonies/kingdoms
Just doing the final battle against Z. Up to the very last stage. NIa and Melia do their cutscene attacks and i regain control.
One attack. The battle just ends.
Weird glitch. But made the final battle easy i guess lol Kinda feels like a cop out though but frick that battle is just so fricking long.
felt like the story for 3 was so interesting and weird and then Z just falls on his fricking face as "I am just...LE BAD!!!"
2 > 1 > 3
Future Redeemed > Torna > Future Connected
I won't hear it any other way
X > 2 > Future Redeemed > Torna > 3 > 1 > Future Connected
I didn't include X because I feel like its cheating and not canon to the trilogy but this seems like a correct ranking as well
This is the first time ever I see someone on here with the correct opinion.
Nintendo reined in Takahashi's autism hard enough that he was forced to produce a functioning, fun game first before going crazy with the lore.
Life is shit, bros...
BUT WE HAVE MIOOOOOOO
I just keep telling myself at least I'm not in an endless cycle of a doomed romance to cope
>literally everyone is caught in an endless cycle of death and rebirth
>WAAAAHHH!! MY SUFFERING IS UNIQUE AND THAT MEANS I GET TO KILL EVERYONE!!
N is such a drama queen homosexual
that's why our noah is based and redpilled tearing it all down, still losing his catgirl gf mind you, but he actually did it the madlad
The implication at the end is that their parting is only temporary, and they'll meet each other again. N was just a dumb, impatient cuck.
more like he was afraid of having to try again. Worth remembering he and M fought against Z at least a couple of times and got turbo fricked
i dont doubt it, especially with that recent questionnaire having "i hope mio and noah meet in the new world" as a default answer lmao
Noah didn't lose anything, he immediately gets Mio back when the worlds reset.
Pretty weird that the only two party members who joined the bad guys side are also the only ones who get rewarded at the end.
Technically, everyone gets rewarded, the worlds fusing means that Noah and Mio get to meet again, but also Lanz and Sena and Eunie and Taion, plus all the heroes like Kite and Juniper and even the characters from FR like Nikol and Glimmer and Panacea and Linka.
The only ones who got fricked sideways were the city's people whpnare now stuck in the wther waiting hundreds or even thousands of years to be born, so yeah, sorry Shania.
>fusing means that Noah and Mio get to meet again, but also [headcanon]
Black person, what the frick else do you think happens? Noah and Mio get their own lottle planet and everyone else just fricks off? No, obviously the worlds fusing means everyone can mingle with everyone, and because the wjole theme of these games is bonds and shit they'll obviously meet again.
We don't know if anyone else will meet again besides Noah and Mio. Anything else is speculation and headcanon
Except that the ending hints at it very heavily, otherwise the city's people can't be born.
>game series is pro-freewill
>now requires specific people marry and have children in a pre-determined fashion
Origin was a mistake.
3 was a mistake.
It's not required but it's going the happen. A major idea at the end is that everyone will restablish the bonds they had in Aionios. And for a lot of those people those bonds involve fricking and having kids.
It logistically cannot happen for all people. Take Jansen for example, he'll never get to shoot his shot with Monica because his brother won't be killed by Moebius. And there's an NPC in the city who says his girlfriend only started shacking up with him becuase her husband died in the war. They'll never get together in the new world either because there's no war.
And that's just 2 examples. The city existed for 1000s of years
This. I don't get why that's so hard to grasp. And people acting like everything is predetermined are moronic. It goes against the very conclusion Shulk fought for, for fricks sake.
The only thing established about the Origin is that it would house the souls of everyone from the worlds of Bionis/Mechonis and Alrest so they could be reborn in the new world. For all we know, it could function like the Lifehold Core from X and the souls would just be implanted into fresh new bodies.
>For all we know, [headcanon]
Serious question, are you moronic? Do you not understand what "for all we know" means? Can't you put two sentences together and understand a basic idea of "the game doesn't explain how it works"?
The game doesn't explain it because even the writers knew it doesn't make any fricking sense.
It's just a lazy excuse to return everyone to normal humans (just like the City) so they can go back to muh space opera in the next game.
Except that X now canonically happened at the same time as Klaus running his experiment, so we already have a branch timeline where everyone can be regular humans (And a bunch of creepy aliens)
Monolith already used a device with a similar function in a previous game, which was the whole point of the comparison. How fricking moronic are you?
>misunderstands that part of what made the Lifehold actually good and compelling was the moral grey of whether or not those people could truly be considered the same ones who lived on Earth
3 gays need to stop talking like their magic “Save the Future Children” device is anything like an actual interesting moral choice in X.
>make moronic assumption about predestination, when it's never established how the Origin would revive people
>when the only point of reference in the series shows that you can revive people without any autistic order of "x has to be related to y in z way"
>moves the goal post and calls it le bad while ignoring the fact that whole dilemma in X is destroyed in 5 seconds by Elma and everyone present immediately accepts it
So this is what room temperature IQ looks like, impressive.
>We don’t know how Origin will revive people!
They weren’t magically in the world at the end of 3. So you tell me how it works, fricko.
>NPC A and NPC B have a child
>suddenly [headcanon] dictates that this soul stored inside a deus ex machina megacomputer should replace their newborn's soul by a soul stored inside that shit
Very good, surely the parents will accept that.
People still have memories of their time in Aionios. Even if a war isn't happening in their minds a war and everything that ensued from it still did. So "they'll never get together because no war" is moot
>People still have memories of their time in Aionios
You don't know that.
We literally do. X confirms that the reincarnation process doesn't delete memories. Several characters retain memories of past lives,Moebius get all their past memories, and it's the same device Origin that's recreating both worlds and all it's inhabitants.
You see it happen in Aionios. Ashera, Joran, Ethel and Cammuravi.
>You see it happen in Aionios. Ashera, Joran, Ethel and Cammuravi
And it’s hack shit there. Pre-destination is not compatible with the themes of Xenoblade.
It's not predestination. People have memories of their past lives and those memories influence them. Considering 2 makes a thing about how shitty it is to lose memories after reincarnation effectively maming in impossible to reconnect with your past life this is perfectly in line.
>People have memories of their past lives
No they don't. That defeats the entire purpose of the happy ending in 3.
Every kid will need therapy if they have 1000 years of war memories in their head.
Ashera's story already covers this. Eunie's story covers this. Noah and N's story covers this. Even Joran's arc covers this.
It's as much predestination as you posting on Ganker again today because you remembered Ganker exist and that you posted their before.
Things work differently inside Aionios. We don't know if those memories will carry over in the real world.
The same device Origin is being used. We're told that Origin records a bunch of data and recreates shit based on that data. The only reason people have memories is because Origin recording ecerything that happens in Aionios and recreating soldiers based on the most recent data. The same data used to recreate both worlds at the end of the game. Noah hesring the off-seer theme is proof of this.
Doesn't matter, things work differently in Aionios. Aging is altered in Aionios so no reason they couldn't alter stuff like memory retention
There are people who will absolutely not end up with the same partners under complete free will due to the lack of a war forcing it. The game itself shows this. You’re a fricking moron if you think Origin will just magically 100%.
The game itself literally doesn't show this. Ethel at birth escapes her pod and finds Cammuravi again.
>Ethel at birth escapes her pod and finds Cammuravi again
She doesn't "find" him he's literally right there when she pops out moron
He's not. You have to go on a goose chase for her and Cammuraci joins because he ants to find the mysterious escapee. Even if you want to ignore that, Ashera, Noah, even Eunie.
X already states that they try to wipe their memories when they exit the pods but some remain. You can't argue Moebius is giving soldiers memories of thsir past lives when X explicitly states they do the opposite.
>Cammuraci joins because he ants to find the mysterious escapee
That happens during the war. It will be different during peace time.
It absolutely is you fricking wienermuncher.
>it’ll just happen and work out, okay?
Hack writing excuse.
Noah and Mio meeting again is also headcanon what are you on about?
It's not. Flute plays at the end
Because Noah hears a flute Noah and Mio meet again. But anyone else is headcanon because they aren't confirmed to hear a flute? You serious?
He hears the flute and disappears. There is nothing else it could be hinting at. No one else gets anything like that
Him dissapearing is headcanon.
Nope, you can watch the ending and see he disappears after the bird flies in front of the camera
You just missed him fading into the crowd.
Nope, watch it again
>Nikol comes back just so Glimmer can slap his ass again
He's so lucky bros
They are canonically not a couple. They founded separate Houses in the City which means they married other people.
what will he think of his mothers in law
They aren't his mother's in law because they aren't a couple.
Rex's family is pretty liberal so they're probably gonna ara ara him a lot.
Calm down cuckgay.
>muh degeneracy > you degeneracy
this fandom needs a hole in the head
Nikol won't date Glimmer so no they won't
The real reaction would be seeing how Rex manages to have 3 wives at the same time, when Mithra alone should be enough to milk him dry every day.
Can someone sell me on Xenoblade? My buddy is offering to sell me the 1st games remake for the switch for 10$. What's the game and series like?
I would slap your friend for trying to sell it so cheap. The game doesn't deserve it.
JRPGs with big areas to explore.
Mix of regular fantasy and scifi.
Very fun characters.
10/10 soundtracks.
For $10, definitely give the first game a shot.
What if JRPGs had gorgeous worlds to explore, deep lore, amazing soundtracks and MMO combat?
If you like JRPGs, you really have no reason to refuse for ten dollars.
definitely worth to at least try it for $10, at the very least if you don't like it you could probably easily sell it for more than you paid
What JRPGs do well, Xenoblade does better than nearly all of its competition:
Character writing, ensemble dynamics, storytelling-through-gameplay, spectacle and thematic depth, indulgent character designs and setpieces
They're not the best games
For me it's...
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For me, it's
i got bored playing the first game, do the others have the same boring combat?
no the combat in 1 is the most sluggish and dated of the 3. I think 2T has the best combat.
>good
XB1
XB2
>mediocre
XBX
>bad
XB2
>awesome sex design
>borderline joke character unplayable in any scenario
why
If you get her on Morag, she can smash.
i have downloaded X yet haven't even started to play it since last march. how's the online.
It doesn't have online? There was, like, a boss you could fight I think. As an event.
It's "online" was borrowing some resources support, if I recall.
>Gears is 26 years old
>SE is in financial suicide regarding FFXVI
Takahashi better think of something. I know he's approaching in his 60s, but god let him acquire it. I wonder if there'll be an Xeno announcement in the direct. XenoTrigger would be nice. He did work on CT.
XenoTrigger
XC3 was kinda that. CT is about time, CC is about dimensions, XC3 makes time/space stop and creates a new world/reality with that. So basically Chrono Break.
It's never happening
>XC2
Dogshit.
The mc was awful
The harem anime tropes, anime meme faces and comedy were garbage
The combat was just no strategy nuke spamming
The story was boring as shit for 95% of the game and only got good in the end because it connected itself to the first game
Environments became shit after Uraya (Leftherian looked ok aesthetically but was cramped as shit and had not interesting major settlements)
>XC3 and future redeemed
Dogshit.
It took XC1 and XC2's good ending and ruins them by making everyone (who isn't dead) in their worlds have to kill each other for 1000 years
The environments look boring and generic compared to 1 and 2 despite being a mashup of both
The story is vague as shit and the ending makes the whole thing pointless since it retcons itself
The actual story and ending is sold to you via a paid DLC a year later and it retcons the game ending since everyone hated it
It character assassinates the God who helped you in the first game by retconning his lore to make him a generic villain
Then make another half of him that's a nonbinary troony who's the good side where the evil guy side we all knew gets killed off
It lazily attaches this series to a dead franchise right at the end of the DLC
>he's still forcing this meme
Are these characters actually supposed to be androgynous/non-binary or is it another case of it being vague in the Jap version and the troon localizers insert their headcanon and edit the wikis?
Its the japs being vague about it.
It's kinda funny because to determine that Jupiter is non binary they went into the code for the characters and since Juniper was a different number than the other girls they determined that she was non binary, surprise surprise her voice actor is also non binary,
When it came to A on the other hand since she splits from Alvis they also went into the code, but her code explicit puts A with the other girls but they decided to ignore that little fact, the wiki now says her gender is Unspecified
With Yuzuriha/Juniper it turned out a couple other characters of undisputed gender where coded the same (2 if I recall, as opposed to male 0 and female 1) but naturally that’s not considered relevant by the ones who insist on the non-binary angle
It's ridiculous how far they desperately stretch for "representation", but I guess pointing that out makes me a bigot.
you've got rex's comment about the nature of ontos of course, but like with the code supporting a being a girl, and alvis being a man, it's like i dont really need anyone to overtly tell me a's a girl when that was clearly the intention
>Juniper
Japan never mentions Juniper by pronouns
Localizers don't either, use a neutral they before the party meets Juniper because they legitimately didn't know who was attacking them
Twittards say that this means Juniper is non binary, English voice actor says "Yeah" because she didn't know either
Because the gender is coded as 2 (Nevermind the fact that Ethel was also a 2) they used it to "strengthen" their argument
>A
Never mentioned with pronouns at all in game. For japan they dont use pronouns like english does and for English it didn't naturally come up since characters don't usually talk about A in the third person
Because of this the social media accounts didn't use pronouns either
morons misinterpret Rex's talk about the trinity cores to mean A is gender neutral (Ontos can be either, Alpha is male and referred to as 'He' multiple times, meaning it would only make sense for A to be female or there'd be an imbalance)
They conveniently discard the code argument by the way since A is written as a 1
They conveniently ignore the idea of Anima and Animus, no way would Takahashi put a reference like THAT into any of his games
tl;dr: The Twitter cabal only looking for what they want to see and blocking out any form of reason, average internet dissenter won't say shit because you know these types so the wiki compromised. Rare time it wasn't the localizers' fault, sort of
for 1 should I emulate the og, or am I fine just playing the remaster?
Go with DE.
Bunch of changes to make quests easier, option to level down at will, and an extra epilogue.
after finishing playing the DE I wanted to see how the original wii version looked like out of curiosity and by god it looks horrible, but I don't understand why it looks like that, the xenosaga 3 designs were decent
PS2 and Wii aren't that far apart in terms of hardware power, and Xenosaga 3 put more focus on the character rendering with smaller explorable environments. Xenoblade 1 had huge explorable environments, especially for a console like the Wii. It was the right choice for gameplay but the graphics quality had to suffer for it.
The remaster is better because it added some really needed QOL improvements and it has an epilogue expansion like Xenoblade 2 and 3 does.
>Future redeemed has no physical
My autismo is tingling
cat in color
these look lovely
tummy
Also Eunie's getting a figure too.
Can we have rare blades now please?
Unironically, if Monolith okay'd a Xenoblade gacha, letting them get more popularity, I could see girls like Perun, Theory, Praxis, Zenobia, Newt, and Harold all getting figs.
Really, any female blade and Floren.
A little to late on that, Nintendo pulled plug on gacha besides FEH.
They don't really seem interested. But mario movie gave them more reason to invest in media, so dunno, anime maybe?
Doubt that Nintendo pictures only going support studios.
We fricking WON
WE ARE WINNING
Fricking finally.
Sena is next right?
Ahhhhhh, where's my wife?!???!!? What about her? 🙁
She'll get one as soon as she figures out how to properly pronounce conscience
Uhm, fiorabtfos? Our response??
Sexy birds supremacy.
Tyrea when?
too bad tyrea was considered playable in Futures Connected according to that one placeholder.
I hope that if we get a Xenoblade 4 set in the reunited world we at least get her as a Hero.
>a fricking FIGMA
I'm beyond mad, what a wasted opportunity. I hope it means if she sells well to normalgays buying jointshit, it means a scale down the line, but alas I just know it means the exact inverse.
>What went so right?
It's permanent end is what went right. Now we can finally move on from this shitty pocket dimension to X/Saga universe on switch 2
>Almost a month since the 2.2.0 update
>Xc3's res mod and cheats are still broken
I've been waiting to replay this for 3 months...
I really hope there isn't a Xenoblade 4. Make something else ffs.
I wouldn't mind another Xenoblade but it needs a hard reset. 3 suffered enough by trying to force a connection to 1 and 2.
Unless it is X 2, then I don't want more Xenoblade. I've had enough and I didn't even bother playing 3. If the only thing Monoliftsoft can do is rehash gears shit from 25 years ago then that is pretty pathetic.
Not over till whole perfect works adaptation.
I'm fine if it's narratively just pulling from itself and maybe the original Earth. DQ4-6 are their own thing from DQ1-3
The only Xenoblade I'd be maybe okay getting a sequel is X.
Other then that, I agree. I'm sick of everything being tied together in the most moronic ways they could think up. I didn't like XB2 being connected to XB1, and I don't like XB3 for that same reason.
she won
It's going to be really funny if it sells more than the Mio figures.
The game being directed by someone with passion and a publisher to allow for him to be great
I want welsh catgurl
sorry meme-anon that one isn't welsh.
I wish they made figures for the male leads, I want a Shulk for my Melia and a Rex for my Pyra/Mythra.
I wish they made figures of the villains. I want a Jin figure to go alongside my Sephiroth one and I'd sooner buy a Malos or N figure than a Rex or Noah one.
Egil>Jin
kino
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Between Xenoblade, help on building BOTW, supporting other Nintendo projects, Nintendo acquiring Monolith is probably one of the most important things they've done. Funny that it happened because Monolith just begged Nintendo to free them from Bandai.
Genuinely, I think Monolithsoft are some of the devs I respect most at the moment. How they manage to do what they do with the given hardware, put out pretty high quality games and still support all these other projects is a wonder.
I'm replaying Xenoblade X since I haven't touched it since like 2016 and I'm just wondering why I haven't played it more like the others.
Nintendo in general have excellent tard wranglers, and give clear directions for dev team, AKA make a game first and foremost.
Isn't foolproof but work most of time, just look at rare, mercury stream and silicon knights.
>Nintendo in general have excellent tard wranglers
This, the death of Iwata was a massive tragedy for Pokemon fans since he was the only person keeping GameFreak somewhat competent, without him they went full moron.
Nintendo don't handle pokemon since GS. It's entirely on pokemon company since early 00.
Far too late to slap them due how whole IP management is setup.
>he was the only person keeping GameFreak somewhat competent
Nice cope, but he wasn't. Game Freak was never a competent studio, they just got a free pass because of hardware limitations for handhelds leading to lower expectations. The cracks started to appear the second they had to go 3D, then the house of cards completely collapsed with the Switch and people expecting them to deliver Pokemon of the Wild.
Oh, I know this, but they were also incredibly inept at 2D, Iwata was famously the one who came in and fixed their spaghetti code for Pokemon Red and Green and essentially got the game to work with the Gameboy at all, and he remained a big part of Pokemon game development up until gen 5, then he got sick and couldn't work with them anymore from gen 6 forward.
Iwata takes too much credit for GS, sure he did compressed game to fit more stuff, but besides that GF did rest.
He did far more for stadium games.
That rumor was already proven to be bullshit. Iwata helped them by using a code that made the game slightly faster to make battles smoother, but increased the size of the game file.
Honestly, Nintendo buying Monolith is easily the best acquisition any major publisher has ever made.
what was the 6 get
Anon... Ganker hasn't had any gets beside 0 for about a decade now...
Impossibru
It has not been that long
Lads... We're got getting a Xenosaga collection are we?
I downloaded them all to emulate but I think i'll give it one more direct before I just go ahead and finally play them
Honestly I haven't played xenogears or xenosaga because I'm afraid of a remake or remaster coming out while I'm playing them, it happened to me with chrono cross
That's exactly why I've been holding off, but like I don't want to not play them and keep on not getting a remaster/remake
Xenogears is 100% never getting remastered or remade because the fans would never accept Square Enix trying to use (Or even worse, continue) the franchise without Takahashi at the helm and he despises SE so it's extremely unlikely he'll ever collaborate with them, he didn't even bother trying to include anything from Xenogears in the radio segment in Future Redeemed, so I guess you can go ahead and play that, you'll easily discover it is essentially a beta for Xenoblade 3.
I would hold off on Xenosaga for now even if I don't think they'll do a direct port of it, they're most likely remaking it and including stuff from Xenoblade X.
Didn’t they lose the Gears source code anyways? They can’t remaster it if they wanted to.
Plus it would be censored to hell and back.
>Plus it would be censored to hell and back.
you're not wrong considering what the composer Mitsuda said years ago
There's some things that would make it hard for a direct port of Xenosaga to work as part of the Xenoblade world, like the fact that in Xenosaga they explicitly state aliens do not exist in that universe but they do in X, which the radio in FR also makes canonic.
I'd be more inclined to believe they're making a full remake of saga that's more compatible with blade's lore.
A full remake would be cool, idk maybe I should just go ahead and play them as is and if that happens then at least I'll be able to enjoy the comparisons of before/after
now that they are successful and have more experience i hope they try to tell the xenosaga story again, i love xenoblade but i love the sci-fi part of xenosaga too, there are almost no good sci-fi JRPGs
I heard rumours of them working on a full X remake, it'd be cool if they use it as a springboard for the Xenosaga remakes, after all, X is essentially what happened before Xenosaga in the Perfect Works timeline.
The moment I realised that the World Tree was actually a space elevator I fricking kneeled, I'd be very down for more sci-fi elements
This.
I really love how the characters in Xenoblade are essentially middle-ages humans surrounded by crazy futuristic lost tech and they just sort of accept it as magic.
It's kind of great how they aren't completely clueless as they have mechs and shit, but you can really tell they aren't as advanced as they were before Klaus's experiment. It's a pretty interesting take ngl, and also makes me wonder what would happen when you take people with that sort of mindset and then put them back into the Xenosaga timeline.
the xeno series is at its best when it aesthetically and narratively leans into sci fi as opposed to fantasy, hope the next arc is more sci fi
I think it'd be a good niche to go back too as well in terms of being on Nintendos platforms, like if Zelda's staying open world that's another big open fantasy game to compete with
yeah, I was between 2 and 3 for my favorite game but although I enjoyed playing 3 more, 2 is still favorite just because of where the story goes in the second half
That would require Bamco give away IP to Nintendo. Which is no because they keep milking KOSMOS.
SE is bunch of petty butthole so, never too, on top of monolith moving away from it.
>Bamco give away IP to Nintendo.
>he doesn't know about that studio with Bamco working with nintendo employees
I'm talking about bayo scenario, Sega do own IP but can't touch rest of games because Nintendo funded, published and co developed the games.
Now imagine that for whole franchise. Quite bad deal.
I don't think anybody has lost with Bayo but Nintendo, Sega gets a piece of the cake without having to do anything and Platinum get all the funding they need to make the games, Nintendo are the ones left to absorb the costs when a Bayo game flops.
>Nintendo are the ones left to absorb the costs when a Bayo game flops.
which hasn't happened since Nintendo got involved. Bayo 2 & 3 were both million sellers.
How about Origins? Wonderful game that nobody touched, it's almost criminal.
NTA, but Origins probably wasn't picked up on much because it was just too different from typical Bayo.
Platinum really mishandled that one, releasing it right after 3 made it look like an afterthought when everything i've heard about it makes it sound like a fantastic game.
I agree, and it being a prequel yet releasing AFTER 3 also fricked that game up, all the necessary context for both faeries and Cereza's relationships with Luka and Cheshire is hidden in Origins.
I think Bamco would be partial to selling the rights for Xenosaga to Nintendo given how badly their last few games have bombed, Nintendo and Bamco have always had a good relationship, they were even making Metroid Prime 4 before Retro took over the project, and they allowed Takahashi to include stuff from Xenosaga in Xenoblade 2 and 3.
Ik there were a shit ton of blacked shitposting but this couple was genuinely cute.
Fiora figure when? We've got all the main heroines except her. Even Melia got a fig.
Literally no one gives a shit about Fiora
I mean, Melia got to be in 2 whole games plus DLC, while Fiora was only in one game and DLC.
And she spent most of her time in the first game dead.
Your point?
B-But muh robussy!!
>2 actually popular girls
>and Fiora
I much prefer Eunie to Mio. In looks, personality, and almost even backstory.
Makes sense, Mio is pretty much just a plot device.
Mio is fine, but she's designed to appeal to japanese men, she's the quintessential jap waifu, quiet, reserved, self-sacrificial, a bit somber.
Eunie directly appeals to us westoids because we like our women feistier.
helps that her dub va fricking killed the role too, i can generally play xenoblade either way, but i dont know if i'd want to play xenoblade 3 without kitty archer as eunie
I think 2 is the only game I prefer in japanese, not even because I personally dislike the english VA's (Not even Rex's) but because of the dismal direction and lip syncing.
With 1 you have the stellar work of Adam Howden and Jenna Coleman and in 3 you have Harry McEntire as both Noah and N and yes, Kitty Archer as Eunie, and honestly it was incredibly endearing to hear Matthew use so many weird words I have never heard and talk endlessly about beans.
At this point the english voices with lots of accents from all over the commonwealth is just the flavor of the franchise.
i could even be fine with bad lip syncing with better direction, that'd have sorted out the few issues i had with rex's too because while i was generally fine with him in most scenes, stuff like "join me" needed a lot more oomph for the moment it was
David Menkin as Malos makes me forgive it though
>This is what people consider a "good" dub
i can't even tell if you people are baiting anymore, Eunie's awful irish accent made me switch the voices so fricking fast it's not even funny.
Eunie isn't irish, she's wienerney.
even worse!
I played both, and 3 feels pretty dry in Japanese, the dub adds a lot more of personality to each character.
1 had the same issue, and some choices seem really odd when you compare versions, like Norio Wakamoto not really being a good fit for Metal Face's personality. Then you have Adam Howden's performance completely mogging JP Shulk.
The only game where I can safely say the Japanese version is superior is 2, and only because the main cast, minus minge cat, is really that fricking bad.
isn't Agnes in general glorious imperial nippon and Keves her majesty's royal bongland?
No. You frickers see two opposing factions and think one must be bong and one must be jap.
Keves is more germanic in style, or just westoid in general, you can even see this in their fashion, like Melia's queen dress and Zeon's jacket.
Melia is just a stronger character and people naturally gravitate towards her, she's far more emotionally complex, her story involves themes of sacrifice and duty, she's fallible but tries so hard it's hard to not get invested in her and when she finally becomes the queen she's essentially become a paragon of virtue.
On the other hand Fiora is very one-note, she essentially just exists to be Shulk's wife, she doesn't even attempt to get close to anyone else in the party, even Reyn and Dunban have very little screen time with her and she never truly connects with Sharla, Riki or Melia, even her storyline revolves around Shulk in some manner (Shulk is Zanza's vessel, she is Meyneth's), she's just whatever.
Melia is the main female protagonist of 1, Fiora is just Shulk's brainless orbiter.
>Even Melia got a fig.
Because she's popular and Fiora isn't
Brapcat
i just rather remake the entirety of Saga
how much of a difference is the battle system in Gears and Saga compared to Blade?
Another pic of the Mio scale.
So what worked and what didn't work? What do you want to see in a future Xeno(something else)?
I think the gameplay has truly peaked with 3, the battle system is a perfected version of 2 with some small nods to 1 to make it work with the plot, the hero system is much better than blades, the classes are a party-wide implementation of X, the exploration aspect has also never been better and the character writing is stellar and literally nobody is left behind unlike 1 and 2 where characters like Dunban and Morag feel relatively underdeveloped.
My two gripes with 3 have to do with the overall world design and the story; I know that the world is meant to resemble Ouroboros but compared to the titans of 1 and 2 and even planet Mira it's kinda bland so i hope we come back to something more unique in the next game; and the story felt a little barebones compared to how epic and grand 1 and 2 were, I know that this was meant to highlight the characters more but why do we need to choose? I want a lovable cast AND a great story with lots of twists and turns.
I agree with a lot of this. Sena got shafted a little bit, but compared with the outliers in past parties, she's still always right there in the party interactions. The battle system is right where it needs to be, at least as far as this style goes.
I think exploration isn't nearly as good as X, but in many ways that was the main point in that game and I like the main series more linear but open story style, while still keeping things around at all times that can kick your ass. Like for instance you can run into Colony Iota, who will kick your ass at that point in the game or the usual end game leveled enemies. FR on the other hand managed to one up its base game in exploration by tying in character upgrades with exploration.
One huge improvement that I don't see mentioned often is the sidequests. The implementation of them, there being multiple colonies to get them from, and the way they work the world in felt more fun and meaningful than 1 and 2, which had elements of that, but fell flat in making them at all enjoyable. DE's QoL was clearly a step in the right direction that led to 3.
3 also led to huge advances in character models to the point where they now look better in-game than their official art. It's a new high for anime style art in gaming.
I also agree that 3's world lacked the big fantastical zones of 1 and 2 and I'd like to see that creativity. It's obviously still there but ironically the less important areas in 3 wound up being the more interesting ones. I do think stuff like the entire Cadensia was an extremely fresh concept though.
I hope Xenoblade or something continues from Monolith Soft and I hope they get some extra power for the next game. 2 actually had better visuals than 3, but it had issues so 3 instead key aspects and then took a different route to look better on average. The entire series on Switch is just too low resolution for its own good and it really shows in DE for instance when you're looking at vistas.
I was constantly expecting some cheeky references to the older games, as characters stopped to notice how strange some of the things in the world are, like giant hands and other body parts, a fricking sword and a weird whale monster mountain. I even had this scenario where Taion would jump in with the "ackshually, that's just apophenia", but it never happened. What a waste.
They do that a little but it'd be kinda absurd for them to do that all the time given this is the world they inhabit so to them it is mundane until an outsider makes them notice it, the fanservice is there for us, when you leave Keves Castle and a naturalistic rendition of Sword Valley starts playing it's for the benefit of the player, not the characters.
>bunch of leakers all confirmed at the same time that the switch 2 will have BC and possibly the option for enhancement patches
i hope monolith does that for 1DE, 2 and 3
60fps?
Hopefully.
1 and 3 have fan-made mods for 60 fps (not sure about 2), so MS should definitely be able to do so as well.
If Future Connected was really a teaser for a remake of Xenosaga, Xenoblade Saga or Episode IV, would you be ok if it had a full turn-based combat?
Personally I really enjoyed Episode III’s gameplay.
Not saying they will change the usual Xenoblade combat, but I’d enjoy if they did for the next few games.
i just rehaul the battle system. i know cutscenes would change like Albedo traumatizing minky or mimi, the girl with pink hair.
Future Redeemed*
No, I think Xenosaga is Xenosaga and Xenoblade is Xenoblade, it's great to play around and drop little hints of a connection here and there but don't modify the core essence of either series for the sake of fanservice.
They probably going keep as
Xenoblade's battle system is basically Xenosaga II's in real time, really.
The only actually good game in that image is XB1.
Weird how IP seems be ridiculous popular but Nintendo barely touches it.
I mean, look at likes of ryza or even persona pre 5, figures, anime mango, LN... yadda yadda yadda.
Blade duo fig sell like crack but only got more characters somewhat recently. Any other company would had milked franchise to death fast.
I mean this is the same company that took ~30 years to finally make a new Mario movie.
Nintendo doing usual anime business would be scary as frick.
I mean kirby, AC, and Fzero have but for usual weeb stuff is lacking.
I hope there's a xenoblade 4 tied to all previous game coming soon
anon that was what 3 was for
are the games too imbalanced? you don't have to minmax to just beat the games, but I do and by the time I reach the final bosses in 1 and 2, I just one-hit killed them.
Why is the tribalism between XB fans so high? I marathoned everything between december-january and they're of similar quality to me.
2
2 was the peak, X was the entry point.
3 brought it all together. Oh yeah, and 1 exists I guess.
i feel like they pretty much did all they could with Xenoblade's battle system. You can only get so far with the iterative changes we got after each game.
I think it's time they shake things up for Xenoblade 4, though I'm not sure how, while still keeping its Xenoblade identity.
will we ever go back to space?
Yeah
>Lost Jerusalem is literally Earth.
>Kos-Mos is sent out to find it.
>A mysterious blue light falls to Earth after the end of 3.
She's coming back, isn't she? Also, the fact that the chabged Alvis into a brown chick with grey hair is interesting, A looks a lot like Kos-Mos.
Even if she does it's not going to be "Shulk and Rex go to space with KOS-MOS" or whatever stupid crap people on Ganker are expecting
Even if it's not part of the plot, you can bet they'll find some excuse to have them as guest DLC characters again.
At best it'll be non-canon stuff like Elma in XC2
>Even if she does it's not going to be "Shulk and Rex go to space with KOS-MOS" or whatever stupid crap people on Ganker are expecting
Where and when I have read something like that, again
FR was obviously a send off for the Klaus saga characters.
Xenoblade 2's DLC was ShulkxElmaxKos-Mos fanfic. So it's safe to say the main story will alude to previous games at most then DLC will go into overdrive.
>Xenoblade 2's DLC
I didn't remember that in Torna
>Land of Challenge!
That's not the DLC's story. That was Torna.
Land of Challenge is still part of the DLC. And it's not just LoC you got that Heart to Heart outside the LoC. The DLC will be fanservice.
>you got that Heart to Heart outside the LoC.
It's not canon
Why does it matter? You still paid 20-30 to have official fanfiction.
>Xenoblade 2's DLC was ShulkxElmaxKos-Mos fanfic
Land of challenge isn't canon
Are people seriously expecting Rex and Shulk to come back again in XC4?
No, because that will first be KOS-MOS, and following her trail thereafter, Shion, Jr, Allen and the Elsa crew, taking over for Xenoblade Saga IV :^)
But more seriously, everything is honestly open for the craziest shit.
The most logical thing from a financial standpoint is to do it like XC3 though, a story and a cast made for people that will play this entry as their first game to the franchise. It keeps things fresh and accessible. At the detriment of old timers, as it was for XC3 yet again. It has its + and its -
Or y’know just do something new entirely with connections being tangential at most for loregays, instead of trying to have it both ways like 3 and just making the narrative equivalent of room temp water.
I would have agreed with you if FR ended at the fight against Alvis and that's it, closure of the trilogy. But that's not how it went, it had more, and they made a point to put that "more" upfront.
So as it is, they'll have to expand on what they teased.
If you don't want the narrative to go the way XC3 did (which I can understand and agree with you, it was detrimental to its story), and if Takahashi really wants to connect to Saga (or X for all i care), then just put the Xenoblade trilogy to pause, and dedicate the next 3 games to a complete nex arc with its set of characters. Which could very well be remaking Xenosaga (or X-2 and X-3) for a few games, and then connect it again properly (so we're looking at Xenoblade 7 here) with the original trilogy.
That's a grand plan though.
>they'll have to expand on what they teased.
What the frick are you even talking about