>3 hour videos on youtube to learn the basics of the battle system
Do people seriously? I’m about 15 hours in and so far, compared to the first game, the battle system is different but by no means difficult to understand at all.
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It's not even hard to understand. It's just a lot to take in. I understood it perfectly after reading a Gamefaqs document.
>Do people seriously?
They really do. It's a wonderful combat system that rewards you for doing things correctly at each step through it- literally a virtuous cycle where correct actions turn into hyper damage at each step.
But people somehow get completely tripped up by it, I don't even understand why or how, it's crazy.
You're given a full chapter to play around with each mechanic after they teach it to you before anything new gets introduced, I really can't understand it being "a lot to take in." They don't even give you a full complement of Blades until chapter3.
God, I wanna cum in Nia so f'n bad.
its totally understandable. The combat system is good because it gives so many options you cant take advantage of all of them. This is overwhelming, and there is no disputing that. I dont think it myself but there could be a legit criticisim of the system because you have to choose between going for driver combos, blade combos, chain attacks, going for elemental weaknesses, or prioritizing efficiency allowing full auto attack combos then canceling the last one with an art. Functionally chain attacks after 2-3 blade combos give you an insta win so this is the "best" way to play but then you have to ignore other mechanics to be most efficient at it so meh. There are legit reasons to think of xc2 combat as both brilliant and a mess at the same time.
>But people somehow get completely tripped up by it, I don't even understand why or how, it's crazy.
Because the tutorials are shit
>Because the tutorials, story, writing, characters, gameplay, graphics, and music are shit
We fixed your post. Now it's 800% true instead of 100% true. And no, no amount of whinging from our resident Enel is gonna change our facts.
It works on my machine! :^)
This may help you OP
That doesn't help anything because that system is just overdeveloped bloat that serves no real purpose outside of 1-2 optional post game encounters.
Compare that to the seal system of XB1
Enemy has sealable skill = use the seal ability.
In XB2 it expects you to memorize this whole list of combo's as well as know ahead of time what skill the boss will use so you can then seal that very specific mechanic.... I don't know how that whole system even made it into the game.
Skill issue.
I'd agree it would be a skill issue if that system had any actual payoff if it was used at the highest level.
The payoff is obliterating bosses
Here we see a common issue where people think a game's cap is supposed to be the normal level of play when actually the point is being a badass.
These are the same people who say you just mash light attack in Devil May Cry.
The fact that you said that makes me think you don't understand the game at all... The sealing system doesn't make you destroy any bosses more than any other.
Is this a joke? It's practically a requirement against malos
You don't understand the game my guy.
I think you guys are misunderstanding.
We aren't talking about the elemental combo's and orbs being pointless. We are talking about the sealing mechanic attached to it that serves no purpose outside of 2 encounters.
If you disagree I'm convinced you didn't play the game.
Anon,
is about the combo system in XB2 because
says that it serves no purpose outside of some post game encounters. The pay off is obliterating bosses. It's useful because it obliterates bosses. Does that make sense? The pay off is killing a boss before it kills you.
On one hand, I get it. Being able to pump up the DPS numbers huge to make bosses trivial is cool and all.
On the other hand, for most players it won't even matter, especially those doing it on a first time playthrough that just want to do the story. Hell, most people go through it without knowing about Art Canceling, especially timing it with the final hit of an auto-attack.
I grasped the whole systems early on, because I screenshotted/organized all the tutorials for myself. But in the end, I honestly preferred Xenoblade 1's system. But Torna's was a huge step up and more engaging than 2's
Just too me, I think Xenoblade 2 had too much shit thrown together for the sake of being fully "customizable".
Seal Darkness against the final boss to skip adds basically, right? the only other one I did it on was the squirrel UM for farming Legendary cores, in that bandit cave at Gormott.
I don't recall which fights specifically but they were like the hardest post game optional bosses.
Nothing in the actual game is hard enough to justify doing really anything outside of spamming buttons unless you are severely under level'd
Seal Darkness also comes in handy versus certain Land of Challenge bosses, especially Elma's 2nd.
> That doesn't help anything
but does? Skill issue
>Can't come up with a better argument.
Oof. Skill issue.
>
WHY DOESN'T MORAG HAVE A FRICKING LAUNCH REEEEEE
If you're not playing Tora, then you don't deserve a super-build character. Thems the breaks.
It's pretty fricked up how good he is. Not everyone wants to play a joke character who's not even a real driver.
You literally don't need to worry about this shit for 90% of the game
I played the whole game to completion on normal difficulty without ever understanding any of that shit.
I understood break > topple > launch, it was enough.
I beat the game a couple weeks ago and I never knew elemental combos did anything other then do big damage wtf...My brain is a complete fricking mess right now between this and my multiple random panic attacks today getting deja vu constantly that its freaking me out I'm so fricking confused. Hell I feel like I even seen some parts of this thread before like a month or 2 ago whats happening to me
Like literally half these posts are the fricking same posts made before I have no idea what the frick is going on, I've been reading the same shit that I read before months ago I'm freaking the frick out here and im having another fricking panic attack cause of it
Are you literally shaking right now? Did someone ask you this last time too? Does one who suffers from the shakes have to take prescribed medication for it too?
Sort of shaking yeah but its more like a weird funny feeling than a shake that my entire body goes through maybe it is a shake but to a lesser extent and to your other question no not yet, and I have no meds I've been dealing with this shit since I was a kid. Somedays the deja vu hits me so hard after going through panic attacks.
It's a moronic system with a high barrier of entry because you need to setup the right pokemons to do the combos in that picture. Once you got it you just need to repeat it 1m times because it works the same on every monster. The devs know it's a bad system.
>It's a moronic system
It's an incredibly elegant system that builds off itself literally every step through. It's unironically wonderful, easy to learn and opens itself up to increasing depth as you go on- realising that you should only have to autoattack a maximum of 3x on any given fight (and even doing 3 autoattacks is just minmaxing).
>you need to setup the right pokemons to do the combos in that picture.
You get elemental blades super easily and all your party has default Blades across different elemental attacks, plus Pyra and Mythra give you both Light and Fire, and Pneuma is whatever you want her to be.
Of the 8 Elements the only time you're really tossing them up is choosing if you want to have all 8 covered for slightly easier Full Burst, or if you'll only cover 7.
The lengths XC2 autists go to defend its stupid combat system will never not be funny to me. Frick Nintendo for forcing this dogshit series so much.
>> dog shit series
STFU Mentally ill moronic gay
I've never played a xenoblade game before but this webm convinced me so I started with X a few days ago and it's been kino so far. Combat is fun, everythings customizable and the sense of scale is really well done and makes the payoff of getting your giant mech that much better 20 hours later.
My question is do any other games in the series have combat, free roaming, driving and flight with a mech? I've heard conflicting things. Why the frick would they remove the feature? I wont touch the other games if it's just a generic jrpg
No, X is really unique in the series. No other Xeno game has its level of free roam exploration and character movement. Xenogears is the only other game you can actually walk around as a mech outside of combat but its controls fricking suck ass, especially whenever you need to jump. Every Xeno game features mechs, but X is the only blade game where you can actively use them in gameplay, and is the only truly open world Xeno game.
That sucks, I would have liked to play a sequel to X just with better graphics. The face models are pretty shit, even for 2015. The world and literally everything else still looks great though on emulator, I'll just stick with this game then.
It's odd that they made such a great game and then went back to generic jrpg shit that looks identical to half a dozen other titles. If this game released on PC I think it would have done a lot better
I agree. Xenoblade 2 and 3 are a step down from X. X had completely seamless world, flight, a run button, cool armor sets, melee and ranged weapons that you can choose to change up your character.
2 and 3 don't even have a run button. I have no hype for 3, not getting it any time soon.
>I have no hype for 3, not getting it any time soon.
Same with me, and all other anons. XB3 is gonna be a bad huge flop I fear.
>and all other anons.
Nah these fanboys will buy anything no matter what. They will defend anything. Eunie will have Taion's babies and they will celebrate.
LMFAOOOOOOO I can't believe theyre defending a pozzed game like XB3. Sooo fricking hilarios!
trannies are so mentally ill its insane
It's looking like what I'd expect, I managed to get a limited edition but haven't checked any of the trailers. It won't be ground breaking but at least no more shit neutered gacha system, fricking worst part of XBC2.
>It won't be ground breaking but at least no more shit neutered gacha system, fricking worst part of XBC2.
Instead it will have pozz and censorship!
>letting trannies live rent free in your head
Seek help.
I didn't mind the gacha shit really. I hated the merc missions, they were worse. Wait hours for your blade to come back because their affinity chart requires a dumb merc mission.
Merc missions were a cute idea but the issue is you actually lose access to the blade.
You like this blade the most, so you want to upgrade it, which means you can't use it, which means uuuugh.
Also the skill checks in 2 were shit. Count my entire blade collection for puzzles, or at least just add up my highest X amount. Having to swap to a blade solely because they have a "jump" skill was ass.
>Also the skill checks in 2 were shit.
Oh that reminds me 3 has literally the same shit LMFAOOOOO
Frick.
But there's no optional blades or an equivalent, right? It's just leveling up your main cast? That'll be fine.
Honestly it should've been cleaned up and only "Rare" blades are the equippable ones across the party and for the field skills, with "Common" blades are just for Merc Missions. There's so much bloat with the shit, it's ridiculous.
You literally don't know what you're talking about.
B-but 3 has my boymoder waifu Ethel!!!!
Xcucks when you ask them to decribe what makes this game good other than the open world
2cucks and 3cucks when you ask them to decribe what makes those games good other than the generic JRPG story
Still can't explain
Dont you have a flop of JRPG to shill on Twitter, Enel?
If it's any constolation, XB3 flopping is gonna be so fun to watch once you realize that the game is the most generic jrpg shit ever.
Fricking this. We could have had a new Golden Sun or F Zero but nooooooooooooo!
>Fricking this. We could have had a new Golden Sun or F Zero but nooooooooooooo!
Are you stupid, Monolith doesn't control wether or not those franchises get new entry's you fricking austist
The Golden Sun comment cracked me up, because that's Camelot's game and they'd rather be making Mario Sports games. Monolith Soft not making Xenoblade 3 isn't going to result in the development of a new yummy wummy golden sun. Fire Emblem is lucky that Nintendo now uses Koei Tecmo to make their new FE games, otherwise we wouldn't have had a new FE game since Fates. Even that supposed leaked FE game is just another KT product using their Gust studio.
>Are you stupid, Monolith doesn't control wether or not those franchises get new entry's you fricking austist
It is always funny how they get mad at monolithsoft because they actually care about their franchise enough to make new games
The logic of fzero being in the shed because of xenoblade is funny
>I would have liked to play a sequel to X just with better graphics
XI will 100% happen, just have to wait for Xenoblade 4-9 to get made first.
>will have to postpone my suicide for 30 years or so just for a shot at more Xkino
Man
>tfw six more games of stupid generic JRPG teens whining about wanting to live forever
Yeah, we're done with Xenoblade. Shame.
>Xgays actually pretending to be newbie players
Now that the series is this old I 100% believe newcomers would go to X first. If you have to explain each entry on paper its pretty similar until you get to X where you have to include "oh and also in this one you can pilot your own customizable mech and it can turn into a car and fly like a plane". It's not even a question which game is worth playing first
>o any other games in the series have combat, free roaming, driving and flight with a mech?
Nope. The other Xenoblade games are just generic jrpgs.
No because Botw poached xenoblade open world designer.
Here's a handidandy guide to all the Xeno games.
most moronic list i've seen all day
Oh wait Im sorry I mean most true list Ive seen all day
This is fricking stupid. The only logical one is xenogears compared to star wars trilogy because it really fricking is. For about 1/3 of the game and then it becomes the best scifi story ever told
The other xeno games have worse exploration but better everything else (except 1's combat, that's worse than X's ground combat but better than the awful mech combat)
I like the mech combat in X and I dont get what people are talking about. I've seen others say its shit in comparison to ground combat but I dont see the difference. It's just less customizable, but piloting a mech shooting rockets, lasers and swinging a giant sword is fun
It's mindless art spam with longer cooldowns
there's basically no depth to it at all, you just spam arts, overdrive is just a buff on a timer, the arts you can get are rigid and don't allow for much team play
X is unironically one of the greatest rpgs of all time
1 is also very good
2 is generic anime trash tbqhwy senpai
>Auto-attacks recharging Arts which recharge specials
>cancel timings for increased special recharge and damage, art cancelling into arts being a mandatory Driver Affinity unlock
>blade switching to recharge arts if not using pouch items or stutterstepping your first AA
>Driver Combo loop
>Blade Combo flowchart + smashing Orbs in Chain Attacks
Those are all pretty simple to grasp in hindsight.
>Just Range for being at the right distance for +15% damage that varies per weapon type
Barely indicated in the UI, that element symbol in your Arts palette gets activated with the crosshairs.
>Fusion Combos, performing a Driver Combo within a single stage of a Blade Combo to extend it or vice versa with all 3 specials prepped (ZL, ZR, A)
That's also not really explained well, and the damage benefits really expedite the pace of battles, especially the DoT ones.
https://xenoblade.fandom.com/wiki/Fusion_Combo
the combat system is trash in 2. I would take 1 or X over it anyday. 2 overall is just a shitty game only saved by waifus.
already beat it too many times, I don't know if I have it in me to beat it again just yet, I was actually doing stuff like getting all Blades to S rank before going to NG+ but got burned out after doing the Challenge Battle related affinity charts
>hit enemy to charge arts
>use arts to charge specials
>use specials to do bigger damage
>finish special combo to increase chain attack strength
That’s how to play Xenoblade 2 without ever looking at a blade’s skill trees.
X is by far the best in the blade series but it has some pretty shitty writing along with the game not actually being finished. The open world exploration is really a lot of fun when you unlock flying.
Judging by how 3 looks, would the Switch really be able to handle this?
no, the world in blade 2 is considerably chopped down and reduced into a mostly linear flat experience. even the level design in 1 was way larger on the wii. monolith is fricked working on shit hardware. their games sell regardless so it's not like nintendo fans actually care about the quality of the series.
This. XB2 and XB3 I would dare say are almost as linear as FFXIII except they have large empty spaces to give the illusion of an open world a la BOTW and Pokemon Legends
This. It's why we loved 1 and X and despise 2 and 3. The sooner Microsoft or Sony buys Monolithsoft from Nintendo, the better.
>Snoy
ONE GAME
>we
who the frick is "we"?
>tfw the Shitch is the reason we still don't have X2
It should have flopped bros...
That fricking sucks. XB3 is looking even more linear and choppy too. Shame what Nintendo did to this series.
Neither 2 or 3 can even do a full open world like X.
It would need to be docked only probably.
is there unique monster hunting and rare drops in xcx?
Yes. Inside the top of that giant mountain, for example, is a giant snake-dragon you can only reach via flight.
Switch is more powerful than the Wii U, it should be able to handle X just fine. The problem is the engine for X was built specifically for the Wii U, and for every game Monolithsoft have made for Switch they built a new engine (one that isn't very good, but has been improving for each subsequent game on the system)
It would. It's more powerful than the Wii U. The problem is that Monolith fell for the modern tech meme on shit hardware which is why 2 and 3 look like shit. Things like volumetric clouds and fog, 3d models on LODs, dynamic lights and shadows on environments mean a huge sacrifice to visual quality when your hardware can handle it. 1 and X use pre-baked lighting, painted shadows on textures, impostor 2D models on LODs, 2D painted skyboxes, 2d fog layers which made all the environments a lot nicer to look at on weaker hardware.
Man, it is crazy how monolithsoft is so good with their tech
Performance wizards
what fricks me up about this system is that every single boss fight plays the exact same and I couldn't even fricking tell you which abilities they all had because I just burst them to death
You are encouraged to build up your orbs and then just burst the UM down when he enters rage phase. It's pretty stupid really.
Yup. Every battle in Xenoblade 2 is just you as a player playing solitaire.
You do your set ups and then your executions and then the boss is dead. Xenoblade 1 was similar in a lot of ways but at least it had its monado mechanics which added in some gameplay reactions... though they didn't implement nearly enough as they should have.
>Yup. Every battle in Xenoblade 2 is just you as a player playing solitaire.
And XB3 is looking to be the exact same game. Down to the artstyle looking like every FOTM anime for the past decade.
You need to understand the quirks for the more difficult challenge battle scenarios, for most random players that would probably involve watching long videos because they're too dense too figure things out for themselves.
I don't have any opinions on XB3 because it's not released yet and I'm not mentally ill.
🙂
I had no idea how the battle system worked and still beat it. All you need you know is topple=good
Xenoblade fans are literal morons.
There's actually people that think X is unplayable because it lacks tutorials.
Fricking this
>TFW we will never go back to the majesty that is X because weebtards want their kawaii waifoos and coomershit
I really hope you're just shitposting because 90% of XBX threads at launch on Ganker were complaining about censorship and people posting all of their characters in bikinis.
I like waifus and coomershit. X had both. You are a shitposter.
1, 2 and 3 are just generic jrpgs with boring generic jrpg stories that I don't care about.
1 is good. It's just DE(make) that shat all over it by using 2's artstyle and adding a shitty epilogue.
Not to mention le epic accessibility features for the tiktok generation.
>But there's no optional blades or an equivalent, right?
Heroes are literally functionally the same as blades so Monolithsoft learned literally nothing from how much we hated 2 (KEK)
>Heroes are literally functionally the same as blades
Actually malding goddammit.
it's not even 2's art style you fricking moron, 2's Artist didn't even work on DE. Literal moron.
>Actually malding goddammit.
You should be seeing how far Hackahashi has fallen. XB3 is XB2.2, now with extra censorship and wokeshit.
And thats not even the best (worst) part: Literally. Every. Single. Location. In. XB3. Is. Rehashed. From. XB1. And XB2.
No jokes
If you actually knew how the game is handling field skills instead of getting info from doomposters it seems like they are tied to heroes but you strengthen them through doing quests. It’s a mix of 1 where you would do quests to access some new areas (colony 6 dynamite, makna ruins, agniritha, high entia emblem) and 2 where field skills usually made your characters interact with the environment to open up areas (burn something in the way, dive into water, create an ice bridge, dig something out of the ground).
I'm mostly just not wanting to shit about in menus to meet field skill checks and the anon seemed to be leading me on to that being the case. Is it not?
We don’t know, because the game isn’t out yet. All we know is that field skills are tied to heroes and their quests. Getting heroes is not random, it seems to be tied to story progress and probably development/affinity of the various towns. Considering that Torna made it so field skills were all strengthened through playing the game naturally and you didn’t need to go into the menu to organize the skills, I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m 3 you just get a key item or there’s a small cutscene that shows the hero training the party in the skill.
Yeah I didn't watch the direct because these things tend to love spoiling the plot. Good to hear it's not confirmed doomer status.
JUST POST THE FRICKING NSP ALREADY I KNOW ONE OF YALL HAS IT.
xci in 5 hours
Trust us man you don't want to play it. You're way too old for generic jrpg stories like the ones in Xenoblade. You can play X for a real experience.
I think it'll leak around 1 week before official release. Emu and pirategays always win.
Emugays wont win because if xc2 and xde are anything to go off, this game will be bugged to shit on day 1. Homebrewchads on the other hand, will win once again
Day 1 2+ years ago is different from day 1 now. Every Nintendo exclusive has been playable and better on PC for a while now.
Xenoblade 2 have normal driver combos (seen in Xenoblade 1 too), blade combos, fusion combos, cancels, Chain Attacks
15 hours in, and most of these are still locked behind tutorials.
Xenoblade 1 and Xenoblade X will be remembered as legendary experiences.
DE, 2, and 3, on the other hand, will be remembered as products dumbed down to be sold to lowest common denominator. They are our most hated games of 2017, 2020, and 2022 respectively.
How is DE worse than 1, when DE is 1 but better in every single way you fricking tard, XC1 on Wii & New 3DS looks like shit, bumhole looking faces. DE has some really great QOL improvements.
>XC1 on Wii & New 3DS looks like shit, bumhole looking faces.
At least its now XB2's weebshit artstyle
>DE has some really great QOL improvements.
You mean moronic """acessibility""" features like whats being pushed in every other AAA game so tiktok zoomies can turn their brain off more while playing.
Holy Literal moron Batman
You're trying too hard, Enel.
xc2 has some pretty complex, in a lot of cases unnecessarily complex that you cant ever take advantage of, systems, but yeah it doesnt take 3 hours to explain, no vidya battle system could ever take that long.
This thread is full of morons holy fricking shit
OP made the mistake of putting "Xenoblade" in it.
Nah, just Enel's gay falseflagging discord ops.
Xenoblade triggers many autists on Ganker for whatever reason. Nintendo exclusive syndrome, I guess.
Imagine being this threatened by some niche RPG series for teenagers.
I don't think they feel threatened
They probably just think it's funny to shitpost about it and don't actually care about xenoblade
They deserved better...
No, everything about XB2 deserves to be forgotten.
Not even surprised at this point KEK. Ever since we dunked on the direct and the previews he and his boys have been damage controlling hard.
he was right until #11 then he just got moronic. poor coomers getting absolutely assraped by xb3
Nah, the final rex character arc with everyone being mean in #18 was extremely forced.
I also think Rex and most the XBC2 cast are ass compared to XBC1 characters.
Only exceptions is Nia in the base game. Still gotta crank through Torna.
>I also think [thing in XBC2] are ass compared to [thing in XBC1]
FTFY. XB2 will always be remembered as utter dogshit hated by everyone.
1-8 is just 1 point, UI. Try harder.
I got the x3 special edition to scalp to morons for double the price.
I'm assuming this is why most of us bought the special edition, no self-reespecting channer is gonna unironically enjoy this weebshit KEK
does xenoblade 2 have similar item finding to xenoblade 1 where they have very rare drops for armor you can get early? i can't remember exactly how the first one worked since i haven't played for a decade
2’s equipment comes through blades and their core chips, with accessories and aux cores being the gems of that game. Fighting enemies will generally only give equipment around that level, a little bit higher if the enemy is a unique monster. There are 3 tiers to every accessory so you can farm for the strongest version of it, but that’s usually something you do in post game. If you actually want stuff earlier than it can drop from enemies you need to explore the world to find tough to get chests.
>a little bit higher if the enemy is a unique monster.
oh, i can't remember if xenoblade1 had this but i always like stuff like this. ff11 had rare/unique mobs with unique drops and i always liked that
>90 posts
>34 IPs
>One post about imaginary censorship every two posts
Yep, it's schizo time!
No its just enel's discord ops again. The direct was shitted on so hard that he's still damage controlling to this day
Nah.
People who liked 1, X and 2 (aka Xenoblade enjoyers) were very hyped with 3's Direct.
>People who liked 1, X and 2 (aka Xenoblade enjoyers) were very hyped with 3's Direct.
Sure we were, Enel
I don't know who this Enel is but I'm glad you agree that this thread is full of shitposters that don't care about Xenoblade.
I fricking loved the Xeno series and bought every game since Gears
XB3 looks like raw sewage. Nice try buddy.
Pics of your cartridges/pirated files or gtfo
I own all 3 + Torna and I wasn't. I won't be getting 3 until sale if at all. Don't know why you think one must like every entry. Quite happy to go play other games since 3 is aimed at sjw types and not me
And im guessing your main battle strategy is stacking up 6+ orbs and chain attacking right?
Post these to scare XBC2 simps.
>nearly 2 hour long video "essay"
didn't watch
>letting a Youtuber form opinions for you
I pity you.
Opinon discarded
>0:14-0:16 on the second part
Actual trash opinion, imagine being too much of a child to not enjoy both M&M's and raisins
Reminder that people who jerk off to XB2 haven't even played the game LMFAO.
You don't understand that by virtue of being a game for the Nintendo Switch, this game had a playerbase of the most unbelievably moronic, infantile and mentally ill people that happen to play video games. The game explains to you step by step after leaving you with hours to practice until it teaches you the next mechanic, but this really didn't matter if your audience is so bad that they deliberately refuse to read the instructions on the screen.
Shit like that is why I traded my shitch for a PS5 kek. Adult gamers like me don't enjoy being talked down to.
The game explains everything fairly well except for the break system, which becomes absolutely necessary later on in the game.
break topple launch smash is literally in the tooltips
I think he means break fusion combos not the driver combos
>The game explains everything fairly well
No it doesn't, it literally has one of the worst tutorials I've ever seen.
5 more years of seethe
My favourite eric moment is when he was dumping dozens of screencaps while stalking Enel and claimed that it was Enel that is obsessed with Eric lmao
That guy sounds based. I don't know how 2gays weren't laughed off the site after this.
You sound mad, Enel
We only liked 1 and X bro. 2 and 3 are a fricking disgrace.
>We only liked 1 and X bro
oh yeah, i know all about it discordbro
Mim and Enel are 2 different people, you moron.
They, along with Chuggaconroy, make up the unholy trinity of e-celebs that attract gateway Xenoblade fans and smashies.
What's your fastest time 2bros?
>There still people about xc2
>Botw,cyberpunk,tlou2 discussion are death
Nint0ddlers shit their pants when they're asked to do anything more complex than Bing or Wahoo
>Do people seriously?
What does this even mean?
It's a great system but you really need to take proper advantage of fusion combos and art recharge pouch items to unlock the fun of it. This isn't explained very well, especially fusion combos.
I get that x2gays love the combat but don't you think it's a little too grindy and confusing if you want to do anything beyond the story?
>grind cores for RNG blades but then you have to grind affinity after that but then you have to grind cores/accessories after that but then you have to watch a 3hr video to get the combat down because the game doesn't tell you shit beyond the absolute basics and then you have to watch multiple videos AFTER that to know esoteric shit like how certain weapon types are dogshit on characters and godly on others or whether or not a blade is worth using. Also you need to grind weapon arts and levels if you didn't max those out while doing the dozens of hours of grinding for the earlier shit.
Grinding cores is trivial and very fast with the right setup. Yeah it means you have to think up of a strategy specifically for that grind but that is part of the appeal.
Affinity charts are also not very much a grind, just use merc missions.
For the WP grind, NG+ has you covered.
I will agree on S+ trust being a pain in the ass even with the DLC love sources.
And you really don't need S+ trust for much of anything really.
>I get that x2gays love the combat but don't you think it's a little too grindy and confusing if you want to do anything beyond the story?
Wut? Grindy? Xenoblade 2 is one of the least grindy RPGs out there unless you are playing Pokemon. And even then Pokemon is insanely grindy if you are hunting shinies.
I wouldn't say confusing, but moreso annoying, just because it wants to have so many little things to manage for the sake of managing.
Personally, I have no idea what to expect with XB3, going into it mostly blind, and I did enjoy all the Xenoblades so far. But I've always liked Xenoblade 1 the most for it being the "simplest" of them, and having a small core cast of characters.
>I get that x2gays love the combat but don't you think it's a little too grindy and confusing if you want to do anything beyond the story?
Not really.
>get to level 99
>get that farm monster to max level
>use him to grind for rare cores
>have Zeke/Morag unlock them because Rex can use any core
It requires a little bit of thought but it isn't complex.
I only played XC1 and XCX and never got XC2 because during XCX I felt they had already ruined the perfect combat of XC1 and seeing XC2 was just more of the same, decided to not bother.
Complexity doesn't make something better.
Basically youre saying youre moronic and cant handle the gameplay system requiring you to do more than spam back slash and topple lock
Sure if that helps you sleep at night. Gunna shit yourself because I don't like your game?
Good lord what is with the sheer moronation in this thread?
Shitposters that don't play games.
XC1 was great
XC2 was great
XCX was great
XC3 will be great
Take your pseudo console wars homosexualry and choke on 55 and a half dicks.
But which one is GREATERER?
Oh man this is gunna start such a controversy.
XC2 was a chore to play.
Especially going through the dungeon that heavily nerfs EVERYONE right after losing Mythra, that was pure aids.
>he actually used rex after the point where he was forced to
kinda cringe bro
morons who ignore bursts whine about how much uniques and lategame bosses have.
>Not using the main character on your first run
Soulless
Amen.
After 3, we'll be hearing talk about how Xenoblade 1, 2 and 3 together forms the greatest, most complete and most ambitious rpg saga of all time.
What will even be it's competition?
Sex with Mio
SEX WITH MIO.
Yeah I don't get it either, what with the way the game drip feeds you information over time. If anything I think it takes TOO long to introduce all of the mechanics.
The only JRPG I needed a guide for was Xenosaga EpII, which was also a really fun battle system in my opinion. And, just like Xenoblade 2, people bash it because they got filtered. Sad!
Xenosaga 2 is a perfect comparison in more ways than just the battle system
The story taking forever and focusing on irrelevant shit for the first half, the extended post game for people that actually liked it, the highest rate of lolsorandum moments in the trilogy, random changes/retcons to appeal to a wider audience, and KOS-MOS having a really shitty design.
Anons who've played XCX on Cemu, what settings on the graphic pack did you use?
The only part of xeno 2's combat i think sucks is that it takes like 20 hours to even unlock Mythra and she opens up so many options with fusion combos cause of how quickly her skills fill up
Do people really play this over-sexualized garbage? Pyra is fricking half naked, how can anyone take that seriously?
Actually Mythra is the half naked one.
Thank god for the Smash costume
Just look at Pyra in OP's image, it's absolutely disgusting how much it's objectifying her to the point where I can't take her seriously as a character. Like imagine playing the game for nearly 100 hours and all throughout she looks like that. What a joke. "Fans" of this game are just horny fricks.
I never used her after Mythra showed up, so I wouldn't know.
I know how y'all feel. I'm just waiting for the sexist buttholes to flood our mentions with posts about how "all women are b***hes" or something like that.
Japanese game design philosophies are genuinely holding gaming back as a medium. It's why we're starting to prefer games like Horizon and TLOU, which actually treat its female characters with respect. Just ignore the vocal minority whining about the magical SJW boogeyman that never existed.
What the hell am I even reading?
If anything it's the movie shit that's holding gaming back. This includes both Xeno & the Horizon Zero, TLOU type of games. I ain't no ACgay but his basic argument is correct, the problem is that he's a fricking homosexual who gets angered at even little cutscenes that play during battles. Imagine him trying to play Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat where the super moves are short cutscenes.
Not everyone is from a Monotheistic Westernized sexually repressed hell hole. In Japan's Shintoism, nudity is viewed as spiritually cleansing. Even the character designer claimed that the design for Pyra was meant to show how innocent or naive she is when compared to the fully clothed Pneuma.
You gay Black folk are worse than the Right Wing Evangelist morons from the 1990s. You mothafrickas basically argue the same shit but for different reasons. Streets of Rage's Ash got censored in 90s era USA because it'd offend 90s era Right wing Religion cucks.
Ash was still censored & omitted from SOR4 because they didn't want to risk offending 2010s Left Wing homosexuals who treat their fake internet wokeism like a religion. America makes no goddamn sense to me. They have the most sexualized live action movies, music videos & even the largest porn industry, but they only police the sexual content in comic books & video games.
The thing i find more sad is how even if this dude doesnt like sexualization he is only capable of seeing that when these games can explore topics and moral themes in deeper ways than the average western jrpg
It would be funny if he thinks that fallout games are the pinacle of narrative in rpgs
>I ain't no ACgay but his basic argument is correct, the problem is that he's a fricking homosexual who gets angered at even little cutscenes that play during battles. Imagine him trying to play Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat where the super moves are short cutscenes.
When the industry keeps sucking off buttholes like Neil Druckmann, are you surprised that there's an aversion to even the smaller cutscenes? When cancer spreads badly enough, sometimes you have to salt the earth, cleanse and radiate everything, then hope you can rebuild afterward. Look at what happened with microtransactions and DLC and season passes, all because we didn't nip it in the bud when it was still just cosmetic horse armor.
someone's really thirsty for (you)s
it has a lot of mechanics, but it also takes like 80+ hours to even get all of them so you have tons of time to get used to them unless you are a moron who tries to brute force them.
cant say I like it though. its a very railroaded combat system with very little proper decisionmaking. I think I had to use the sealing mechanic like once in the whole story.
like you tinker and optimize your big damage "rotation" and then stick to it.
I get more variety out of final fantasy1.
>I get more variety out of final fantasy1.
Based. There is really nothing good about XB2 and everyone knows it. Anyone with true knowledge on game design can tell you how bad XB2 is.
I got both more variety and enjoyability from FFXV than I did XB2. There's a reason people stopped hating on the former when XB2's awfulness came plain for all to see on its release.
Genuinely one of the worst games we've ever played.
I love, love, LOVE how none of the XB2 fanboys can muster up a SIGNLE rebuttal to this. That line on the end stings extra hard too. Monolithsoft has regressed hard.
I just think a lot of guys who fully grasp the combat in retrospect forget too easily how confusing shit can be for a new player, especially when the tutorials are dogshit AND you can't even view them after the first time
Without any supplemental help to off of from the internet, its very easy to get lost
But everyone starts off as a "new player" some are just able to pick it up quicker than others.
>I think I had to use the sealing mechanic like once in the whole story.
sealing can absolutely turn the vast majority of annoying enemies into pushovers, i glad i actually learned to utilize it
especially blowdowns in narrow passages over pits, FRICK that shit
>I get more variety out of final fantasy1.
Even sadder when you find out that the dogshit abomination that is XB2 was made by ex-final fantasy devs LMFAOOOOOOOO
>TFW this year's FFXVI is gonna kick the shit out of Xenotanic 3
How is XB2's combat railroaded?
>Bosses can hit hard and easily kill party members
>Therefore, I should have a special pocketed so that I can survive a killing move
>But I need to use arts to fill up the special gauge
>Use pouch items to expedite art cooldowns
>start spamming arts to build up special
>i draw aggro away from the boss and die
>now I have to either prioritize evasion or healing with my character to avoid death
>adjust my party's build so that they can draw aggro
>but make sure their elements are appropriate for easy combos and chain attacks
Optimizing a party is more than just maximizing damage output. There are other factors to take into consideration.
>I love, love, LOVE how none of the XB2 fanboys can muster up a SIGNLE rebuttal to this.
Because he doesn't explain why any of the game's mechanics are bad. And that last line is bullshit given how FF1 can be easily beaten with 2x Fighters mashing the attack command and a white mage keeping the party healthy. In Xenoblade 2, there's a lot more options since anyone can be an evasion tank, healer, DPS. Certain blades can also function as a combination of multiple classes. KOS-MOS is an attacker, yet her passives allow her to function as a decent healer. Fiora is a healer, but she can deal a lot of damage. And then there's Poppi. Combos are a good means of maximize damage as spamming arts can draw enemy aggro from your tank and onto yourself. Specials can be used to block enemy attacks etc. Negating damage is about as big as dealing damage in Xenoblade 2 whereas in FF1 fighters can literally tank and kill everything.
Literally all you need to know is Break > Topple > Launch > Smash
nothing else matters
>leave square
>get bought out by a manchildren company
>make literally the worst fricking JRPGs in existence
How do they do it Gankerros
>leaves square
>gets picked up by the biggest game company in the world
>continues to make the best JRPGs in existence
With style.
Monolith made the SaGa series?
The Saga games aren't that bad, homosexual
Imagine playing XC1 & XC2 and pretending like you're not interested in playing XC3. I swear you gays are either larping or just so bored that you decided to shitpost until release
These threads are worse than Resetera
Unironically true, they can actually have on-topic XC3 threads.
It is insane, i would never interact in threads there
But look at this shitshow right here
A bunch of monkeys throwing shit on each other, makes me understand why their threads works like that, it is worth it to have one or 3 SJW psychos but at least being on topic
still don't understand how this series has mindbroken Ganker for half a decade
nintendo exclusivity, other multiplat jrpg series like tales and atelier don't have anywhere close to the amount of dedicated schizos xenoblade does
FF threads are fricking awful. Used to be funny in XV's prime when Barry was making essays with each post.
Now there is 5 guys doing the same thing as him
Threads were better before 2 I swear
Probably were because it was more niche so less people knew about it
It is just like FF becoming big again so threads are becoming even worse
Cant even imagine when they announce P6, will be the same shit
>ouroboros (sex) is the ultimate power-up in 3
>paints Melia(?) and Nia(?) as ominous figures hunting down the main party as wanted fugitives for the crime of ouroboros(sex)
>N already theorized to be another Noah that was cucked out of getting that Welshkitty minge
>Comes out a week after the Live-A-Live remake
Fricking A man...
The only thing i hope is the zohar/conduit having actual relevance in this game
If it is something like it appearing by the end for the next game i will be mad
>a new Direct is launched a week after Xenoblade's launch
>the next HD-2D JRPG is revealed
>just a title drop saying: BAHAMUT LAGOON HD PROJECT IS NOW IN DEVELOPMENT
>Nintendo decides to add a Bahamut Lagoon crossover event to Splatoon 3 because some Japanese guy at Nintendo saw your post and thought it would be funny
>Bahamut Lagoon HD becomes a hit with zoomers, youtubers, and gen alpha because they've never seen a game like Bahamut Lagoon
And thus, a new generation of NTR fetishists are born.
Black person you are fricking obsessed.
Once you learn of Bahamut Lagoon, you can never return to normality. You'll spend the rest of your life thinking "how the frick was this game made?"
That game needs a port because honestly needs to be preserved
But i doubt on nintendo doing marketing as they do with Live a Live
Imagine the average nintendo gamer playing it
>Imagine the average nintendo gamer playing it
I find myself laughing whenever I imagine the average gamer in general playing it. Like some boomer will say, "Ah, Bahamut Lagoon is a classic," even though he hasn't played it. He's just assuming it's a classic because it's a SNES-era Squaresoft game. But the idea of some tendie who has only played Mario and Pokemon experiencing Bahamut Lagoon is hilarious.
The craziest thing is how even with the infamy this game has, it was a big success and still considered a great game
You're talking about a group of people who throw a fit whenever Nintendo gives niche games they own like Xenoblade or the Bayonetta sequels any spotlight. If this game is as batshit as you hype it up to be, I'd love to see the outcome of seeing folks like that having to play it.
The biggest problem is how i dont think it is precious enough to receive the 2DHD treatment
Now that i think about it, i dont even know what would be their next remake on that style, all major square games already received
>If this game is as batshit as you hype it up to be, I'd love to see the outcome of seeing folks like that having to play it.
It is. If you don't want to play it, just read this. It's full of spoilers.
Pic related reveals that the protagonist's love interest has casual sex with the guy who kidnapped her earlier in the game.
https://ontlogy.wordpress.com/2020/07/18/a-look-at-bahamut-lagoon-square-enixs-greatest-ntr-masterpiece/
Frick man, Melia and Nia had it easy...
You gonna dump your copypasta? Go ahead, I'm waiting.
Like, even if the heroine betrayed you, there was no reason to talk how people can hear her moaning from outside the room lol
It's just a shittier tactics orge.
I went through it young and naive enough to come away from it with a simple, lol that chick was dumb.
Bahamut lagoon has high chances of receiving a port
But i dont see it having a big budget
You WILL be straight
How long will it take for the gaming media to pick up on the fact that XB3 is about hetero relationships and has sexual undertones?
I think they didnt realized yet
The only way this game can escape that is if they dont make all ouroboros' pairings become actual couples
Noah and Mio are absolutely gonna be a couple by the end. Because Monolith absolutely loves the marketable main couple thing. It's the reason why you're gonna see Fiora and Rex in everything Xenoblade related for the rest of time, because they're a package deal with their vastly more popular significant other
I also believe on that
The problem is if all other ouroboros pairings are man and woman couples, you already know what will be the discourse
Are couples supposed to be anything other than man and woman pairs?
Im talking about romantic couples, it is not like those ouroboros pairings have by contract telling how they should frick
I imagine it will go over their heads for a month until it finally clicks in their minds that there's no same-sex interlinking
That trailer where they revealed Ouroboros has Noah and Mio saying "How are you inside me" in unison, You'd have to be braindead not to see the sexual undertones. Most journalists are braindead, of course.
Why is this guy named after a Picasso painting
Because it is based on that famous painting that depicts war
This world is on war, simbolism, takahashi is smart
>xenosaga games have subtitles taken straight out of Nietzsche books
>games have literally nothing to do with Nietzsche
That was just cringe. I bet 3 will be another case of a game where the names were picked early on but after development the plot changed and the names don't even relate to anything going on anymore.
It is just a name, it is not like the dude will start reading poems about war
I dont see any problem on using a name, and guernica sounds cool
It is like using the name deus in xenogears, it is just god
But it is cool as frick
>games have literally nothing to do with Nietzsche
Xenoblade is the story about a military scientist who went too far and accidentally the entire human population, and then made various experiments in order to create a new genetic race of humanity, losing his own moral links to humanity in the process. It is told by the story of a young boy who meets a sentient nuclear powerplant and must learn that it has value beyond being a weapon of war that makes things explode good.
And how does that relate to Nietzsche again?
The themes are inspired by his works. Have you read them?
You obviously haven't.
you don't see how Klaus story relates to some of nietzsche ideas? God ur dumb
I was talking about xenosaga dumbfrick. But no I don't, mind point them out for me since you clearly read Nietzsche's works?
I'm a Burgerlander, so I don't understand or see it myself. Can you explain to me how Klaus's story relates to Nietzsche?
One of the things that made me realize why i like xenogears' plot more is how i find a lot more interesting the whole exploration about zohar and conduit than xenoblade's plot about a scientist that became a god
Like, a misterious interdimensional cube that is a machine of perpetual motion and is basically god is so much cooler than the usual scientist that goes crazy
Also the plot about reincarnation is cool because is told in a mature way
Abe's final gambit
Thanks for giving me seethe to enjoy everyone. Looking forward to XB3's release.
xbc2 is shit every enemy is a damage sponge and it takes minutes just for random fghts
>I'm shit at the game, this means the game is shit!
Many such cases!
Combat is dogshit. Game looks like shit on switch. Even in 4k on PC with every mod it looks bad. Had to force my self to finish it. Gonna emulate 3 I ain't spending money if 3s combat is lik4dotde 2
I pray so hard for Team Asano to use their oportunity of having remakes and remasters with nintendo and make a Xenogears remaster/remake with them
I didn't understand the combat at all until I got to the end game during Morytha. Prior to that, I just relied on XC1 smash topple tactics.
So in Xenoblade 1, the entire gimmick was that because you had the precog: Bosses and even random enemies could have really dangerous party wipes or one shots, which you where forced to conditionally deal with.
It didn't force you to be on your toes, but it did mean you have to do some cooldown and tension management just in case it came out of the left field.
So how is it in X and 2?
In X, the gimmick is that your entire party are robots that you can overclock to temporarily dramatically speed up art recharge
In 2, the gimmick is that you bond with artificial beings that manifest your weapons and the strength of your relationship with them directly reflects upon their abilities and also grant you various buffs in combat.
In two every time you press a button it changes the function of all of your other buttons.
can someone tell me what the frick was going on with 2's translation? From the nonsensical name changes to replacing bikini armor to fricking bunny suit? Architect instead of God? why
They replaced the localization director of 1 with some American dweeb
I unironically hate this battle system.
It feels so fricking slow.
all the depth boils down to doing elemental attacks to stack orbs, and once you have several orbs break them with a team attack for billions.
Sounds pretty complex, bro. Very interesting. Will 3 be even more comex than that?
no clue, i've been dodging all news on it to make it feel fresh.
hopefully the mechanics are a bit better so just doing 1 thing isn't endgame
>the average jarpig player is moronic
Who knew. The tutorials are good, the only thing the game explains badly is the blade combo tree and how to use it to seal effects
I often heard people talking how takahashi made the choice for xeno 2 to be more anime intentionally for it to be more lighthearted, is this true?
If that is true, 3 being that much darker makes sense, 2 is so anime
When does this gayme get good? Shit UI, shit controls, atrocious side quests, bunch of padding the story already. Flat downgrade from the last 2 games.
You don't like 30 hour cutscenes constantly interrupting the game? Sounds like you hate fun, my dude.
It got even worse literally seconds after this. Not sure how much more I can take.
whats the point of samegayging like this
>responding to people responding to your posts
>samegayging
Based newbie.
Rise and shine, anon! It's penis inspection day! Birdfriend and Catfriend need to make sure you haven't been partaking illegal acts!
Birdgays have cloaca.
Based
Rest assured anon, they do this entirely for your own good with no personal ulterior motive.
It's not that it's difficulty, it's that 45 hours in, the game is still introducing and explaining mechanics to you.
>waaah why is the player unlocking new mechanics consistently throughout the game? fricking tutorial until the end trash game
you're fricking moronic kys
Yes anon, gimping the combat for the first half of the game is bad
>let's keep the game boring and basic as frick for 2/3 of the game lmao
I'm pretty sure that even without whatever is introduced "45 hours in" it already has more than 1's combat.
Combat sucks in every Xeno game other than Xenosaga 3, so that doesn't even mean anything.
>person you're talking to turns out to be a turbo shitposter
Oh well. That's that then.
Nice cope.
I don't know if anyone ITT is emulating the game right now in Yuzu but back when I was playing it 6-8 months ago I found that setting GPU accuracy to extreme fixed all the random framedrops I was getting in towns.
I heard that worked as a speedup in the first game too. Just putting it out there if it's still relevant.
Glad to see Ganker will never have a coherent Xenoblade discussion ever again because 3rd world chimps realized they can bait morons into replying to them.
>wanted to replay 1 and 2 before 3 dropped since it's been so long, especially 1
>find out 3 comes out in 12 fricking days
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
owned
I just need to beat Torna expansion and then I'm done
So are the DLCs going to be important to the story in XC3? I know something about Fog King from Future Connected might be relevant but I haven't played either. I've heard Golden Country is good but I donno if dropping 20 bones on it is worth it for 15-20hrs
PLAY TORNA NOW...just for this battle theme
>FC
obviously yes
>torna
probably not