Story was fine up until around chapter 6 or so then completely falls apart. Ichiban's chapters are all a waste of time and you could remove both 9 and 11 and the only thing you would have to do is explain Yamai being helpful. Chapter 13 is the only chapter in Ichiban's side that has any reason to exist. Kiryu's chapters are where all the important stuff happens so every time you're shoved back to Ichiban you feel like they're sucking several hours out of your face to get back to the main story on Kiryu's side. The ending is also easily one of the worst in the series for Ichiban's side and not only ruins Ichiban as a character but expects you to know stuff that wasn't shown or even told to you in any way. You see Ei-chan without even knowing who that character is very briefly during his final boss fight and you have no idea who it is until Ichiban says who it is in the ending, it's a mess. Kiryu's boss should have been Ichiban's final boss.
Gameplay is miles ahead of 7 and if they keep improving on this it'll be even better. The main issue now is simply the whole EXP situation because if you just rush the main story you're fine, if you step off that main story carpet you are overleveled. If you do their optional dungeons at all you're beyond overleveled.
Life Links were blue balls of the largest degree and only Life Link 9 is good, everything else may as well be removed because it outright acts like main story stuff happened but just ignores it at the same time it's idiotic. It's even worse if you're at endgame because LL10 makes no sense at all at that point.
Memoirs of a Dragon are good but some of them are hilariously dumb if you wait until the final chapter.
Substories are mostly just retreads of 7 but the character is in Hawaii with a few good ones despite that.
The new minigames are pretty great but Dondoko Island completely falls apart if you step out of the main story side of things. It's not Animal Crossing.
>The ending is also easily one of the worst in the series for Ichiban's side and not only ruins Ichiban as a character but expects you to know stuff that wasn't shown or even told to you in any way.
Spoiler qrd for me? I'm probably not ever going to play 8 but I loved Ichi's story in 7. Curious how they dropped the ball.
The tl;dr is that he forgives a random character who is unrepentantly evil throughout the entire game and spent all game trying to kill him and his friends. It's like if Ichiban met Munakata after all the events of 4 and gave him a speech about how good of a person he was and how he could come back from all his crimes and bad deeds.
The long version is: A character who Ichiban trusts has his trust abused by the character because he knew about the proper ways to trick Ichiban due to his upbringing and past, the people he knew, and got information on stuff they were doing without him or his friend suspecting. He was doing everything possible to completely make Ichiban and his friend's lives a living hell. He was also blackmailing one of Ichiban's friends.
Once he's discovered he then proceeds to kill two major characters in the story, multiple times sends hit squads and groups of gang members to kill Ichiban and his friends, taunts him about how much he enjoys killing or making Ichiban's life a living hell, kidnaps a major character who is a child, throws what Ichiban and friends believe is a pipe bomb their way along with said child, and then tries gassing Ichiban and friends with poison.
In the ending after all of this was done and Ichiban not having seen him since the gassing, Ichiban finds and goes to his apartment, says he forgives him for everything he's done, he can start back up from rock bottom, and then carries this person to the police station in Kamurocho from Ijincho due to an ankle sprain from people who attacked him after certain story events that happened off screen we were never told about until that moment. Ichiban meanwhile is getting people jumping him and the character, getting objects thrown at them including bottles, and he happily waves the character off to the police station and promises to call him constantly and be there to support him.
Also, for the record he didn't know this person or grow up with him so he didn't have the bias he did like with Masato. This was some random guy who was lying to him from the moment they met and told him in no uncertain terms he hated his guts and wanted him dead.
>Things just happen to Ichiban because they have to in order to move the story forward >There are at least 3 different deus ex machinas to get Ichiban to hawaii because they couldn't think of a single organic way to start the main plot from how they started the game >kiryu written completely out of character >characters constantly stop to gawk at how cool and goofy established yakuza characters like ichiban and kiryu are >characters just run into each other in the streets constantly to move plot points forward >everyone just knows everyone and knows the exact guy they need to talk to to move the story forward so nothing feels organic
I really hate how much of a background character Ichiban is in his own game. They send Kiryu off in 7 setting up Ichi as the new protag of the series only to shoehorn Kiryu back in and make it his game again
I'm more annoyed that every single person from 7 knows who Kiryu is and his deeds outside of Han and Seonhee to the point that they will drop everything to help him. They even act like he's the sole reason any of 7 could happen when Kiryu basically just beat up Ichiban and turned them to where Ishioda would be.
Jesus.
I'm glad I didn't bother buying it, but I'm still sad because Yakuza 7 was one of my favorite RPGs ever. I kinda figured it was going to go to shit after Nagoshi left though.
>Things just happen to Ichiban because they have to in order to move the story forward >There are at least 3 different deus ex machinas to get Ichiban to hawaii because they couldn't think of a single organic way to start the main plot from how they started the game >kiryu written completely out of character >characters constantly stop to gawk at how cool and goofy established yakuza characters like ichiban and kiryu are >characters just run into each other in the streets constantly to move plot points forward >everyone just knows everyone and knows the exact guy they need to talk to to move the story forward so nothing feels organic
I really hate how much of a background character Ichiban is in his own game. They send Kiryu off in 7 setting up Ichi as the new protag of the series only to shoehorn Kiryu back in and make it his game again
Also, for the record he didn't know this person or grow up with him so he didn't have the bias he did like with Masato. This was some random guy who was lying to him from the moment they met and told him in no uncertain terms he hated his guts and wanted him dead.
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I'm more annoyed that every single person from 7 knows who Kiryu is and his deeds outside of Han and Seonhee to the point that they will drop everything to help him. They even act like he's the sole reason any of 7 could happen when Kiryu basically just beat up Ichiban and turned them to where Ishioda would be.
I kind of hate that they felt the need to put Kiryu in the game at all as if they couldn't finish his story between Yakuza 6, him passing the torch in Yakuza 7, and an entire additional spinoff game.
Kasuga's probably not great for this sort of thing. In Y7, he had a personal connection to just about everything that was going on. In Y8, they kinda had to reach in order to get him involved. Honestly, Kasuga wasn't a particularly important member of the Tojo clan or anything, and he doesn't have much in the way of solid connections. Whereas it's incredibly easy to pull Kiryu into the fray and have him take center stage in whatever conflict you can think of, the same can't be said for Kasuga.
Honestly, I don't have high hopes for his future. Unless they pull another secret family member out of his ass or some important figure from his past, he has no real business doing any of this shit.
They were still building up the whole power struggle after the Omi and Tojo disbanded, and with the prevalence of Chinese and Korean gangsters, I figured that's where the RPG continuity was headed.
It doesn't seem too hard to create conflict surrounding Ichi since he's a successful business owner who inadvertently helped with such a massive dynamic shift, not to mention he had direct ties to a powerful politician who got murdered right in front of him by an activist group.
It feels like they built up all of this stuff for Ichi to get into and then they just threw it all away.
The business was a side thing. It's like the real estate minigame in Y0. Never expect any of those to ever be relevant in the main stories.
Also, the difference between Kiryu and Kasuga is that the Chinese and Korean mafias have a strong reason to be wary of Kiryu, hence why whenever he appears, they pull out all the stops to deal with him. None of these people give a frick about Kasuga.
I was mildly serious when I compared Ichiban to Sora, they are both "feel good" characters. But, I didn't expect they'd actually made him as moronic as Sora (in KH3). Holy shit.
Story was shit. Ichiban is a moron. Gameplay was better than 7 but still lost steam halfway into it. They figured out a good combat system but didn't do much with it at the end of the day. I do not suggest playing this game.
This series needs a reboot. Its just way too wacky and lolsorandumb xD tier now. Its also a weird mix of violent and mature crime drama as well as being some kiddy tale of naivete and heart.
I agree, while I like Ichiban and crew, it should have been a spinoff and not the mainline series. Then once Ichiban was built up, he could crossover with Kiryu, then maybe become the next face. But, gah, idk what they were thinking by giving us another guy only 10 years younger than Kiryu. You'd think they'd want someone a bit younger. Not that I mind 45 year old protagonists, but if you're replacing The Dragon, it needs to be with another Dragon. Ichiban has his own style, but Kiryu is on a completely different level.
>This series needs a reboot
nah it needs more gaidens. akiyama and saejima need at least two games each and seonhee needs her own beat em up where she does heat moves that are sleeper holds with her legs.
the journey is almost always better than the destination in these games, and taken as it came, I had a lot of fun with it. Might be the most fun out of any game overall. Unfortunately, the story put us into all the right situations and places, but it was an incoherent mess. It was a big, fat mess.
I'm surprised we're nearing May and still don't have any big news. I thought we'd get something by April at the latest. All we got was Yokoyama surprisingly saying he wanted to remake Yakuza 3, but that it wouldn't be the next game.
I really didn't care much for 8. There was so much time where I just wanted to finish the game but decided I'd do a lot of the extra stuff. It was pretty boring and I thought the story was pretty shit compared to a lot of the other games. I also absolutely hated how often I heard "I thought you'd say that, Kasuga" or anything similar. Like they couldn't actually have the characters say anything meaningful and just decided to go on that garbage line? The ending was pretty shit on Ichiban's side too with Eiji.
2 and Kenzan are some of the better games but Kiryu has the best style in Onomichi with just the red shirt and white pants.
well for Kiryu fans, such as myself, I think it was actually a pretty good game but it sends so many mixed signals. After 7, the assumption was Kiryu might be some kind of mentor figure behind the scenes. But by the end of 8, he's the only character with a laundry list of still unresolved issues that feel relevant.
They even squashed most of the usual antagonists. There's really not much left of the canon antagonist groups. I feel like they're trying to push this more international. The ending of 8 with him wienerblocking the toxic waste disposal project implied heavily that other countries would be furious. So, there's no real Yakuza antagonists, no chinese mafia, no korean mafia, a severely weakened Daidoji Faction. I can't really think of anyone left to build up against.
I honestly still can't believe some people actually start the series with 7. Like it's a witcher 3 situation where the series isn't super connected and the game randomly got huge with its last game and the rest in the series were underground. The games were released every year and have a long and continuous story with a sizeable fan base.
I enjoyed playing it but man the story is enfuriating
Majima, Saejima and Daigo act like a literal unit for no discernable reason
keep in mind Majima already left the Tojo Clan and went his own way before. he fricking had his own construction business, what the frick is he doing hiding in shack after getting canceled on twitter?
Daigo being a gay is no surprise, but I am also disappointed at Saejima for going along with it as well
>but Infinite Wealth feels so much shittier in terms of writing
i think we all know writing has fallen off quite some time ago with 6 and 7 when they tried to send killyou off into the sunset and they just keep bringing him back anyway despite having a stable of fun characters that could easily lead their own games.
>i think we all know writing has fallen off quite some time ago with 6 and 7 when they tried to send killyou off into the sunset and they just keep bringing him back anyway despite having a stable of fun characters that could easily lead their own games.
That didn't start with 6 or 7, they've been doing the whole series
I thought 7 was great until the 3rd act. ichiban being the secret son of his mob boss father figure, and every twist that came after, was so fricking moronic it hurt
Gameplay good
Main storyline trash
Woke game
>Woke game
Kiryu parts were good, even if a lot of it was just hey remember this thing
Kasuga parts felt like they ran out of ideas after Dwight
Story was fine up until around chapter 6 or so then completely falls apart. Ichiban's chapters are all a waste of time and you could remove both 9 and 11 and the only thing you would have to do is explain Yamai being helpful. Chapter 13 is the only chapter in Ichiban's side that has any reason to exist. Kiryu's chapters are where all the important stuff happens so every time you're shoved back to Ichiban you feel like they're sucking several hours out of your face to get back to the main story on Kiryu's side. The ending is also easily one of the worst in the series for Ichiban's side and not only ruins Ichiban as a character but expects you to know stuff that wasn't shown or even told to you in any way. You see Ei-chan without even knowing who that character is very briefly during his final boss fight and you have no idea who it is until Ichiban says who it is in the ending, it's a mess. Kiryu's boss should have been Ichiban's final boss.
Gameplay is miles ahead of 7 and if they keep improving on this it'll be even better. The main issue now is simply the whole EXP situation because if you just rush the main story you're fine, if you step off that main story carpet you are overleveled. If you do their optional dungeons at all you're beyond overleveled.
Life Links were blue balls of the largest degree and only Life Link 9 is good, everything else may as well be removed because it outright acts like main story stuff happened but just ignores it at the same time it's idiotic. It's even worse if you're at endgame because LL10 makes no sense at all at that point.
Memoirs of a Dragon are good but some of them are hilariously dumb if you wait until the final chapter.
Substories are mostly just retreads of 7 but the character is in Hawaii with a few good ones despite that.
The new minigames are pretty great but Dondoko Island completely falls apart if you step out of the main story side of things. It's not Animal Crossing.
>The ending is also easily one of the worst in the series for Ichiban's side and not only ruins Ichiban as a character but expects you to know stuff that wasn't shown or even told to you in any way.
Spoiler qrd for me? I'm probably not ever going to play 8 but I loved Ichi's story in 7. Curious how they dropped the ball.
The tl;dr is that he forgives a random character who is unrepentantly evil throughout the entire game and spent all game trying to kill him and his friends. It's like if Ichiban met Munakata after all the events of 4 and gave him a speech about how good of a person he was and how he could come back from all his crimes and bad deeds.
The long version is:
A character who Ichiban trusts has his trust abused by the character because he knew about the proper ways to trick Ichiban due to his upbringing and past, the people he knew, and got information on stuff they were doing without him or his friend suspecting. He was doing everything possible to completely make Ichiban and his friend's lives a living hell. He was also blackmailing one of Ichiban's friends.
Once he's discovered he then proceeds to kill two major characters in the story, multiple times sends hit squads and groups of gang members to kill Ichiban and his friends, taunts him about how much he enjoys killing or making Ichiban's life a living hell, kidnaps a major character who is a child, throws what Ichiban and friends believe is a pipe bomb their way along with said child, and then tries gassing Ichiban and friends with poison.
In the ending after all of this was done and Ichiban not having seen him since the gassing, Ichiban finds and goes to his apartment, says he forgives him for everything he's done, he can start back up from rock bottom, and then carries this person to the police station in Kamurocho from Ijincho due to an ankle sprain from people who attacked him after certain story events that happened off screen we were never told about until that moment. Ichiban meanwhile is getting people jumping him and the character, getting objects thrown at them including bottles, and he happily waves the character off to the police station and promises to call him constantly and be there to support him.
Also, for the record he didn't know this person or grow up with him so he didn't have the bias he did like with Masato. This was some random guy who was lying to him from the moment they met and told him in no uncertain terms he hated his guts and wanted him dead.
I'm more annoyed that every single person from 7 knows who Kiryu is and his deeds outside of Han and Seonhee to the point that they will drop everything to help him. They even act like he's the sole reason any of 7 could happen when Kiryu basically just beat up Ichiban and turned them to where Ishioda would be.
Jesus.
I'm glad I didn't bother buying it, but I'm still sad because Yakuza 7 was one of my favorite RPGs ever. I kinda figured it was going to go to shit after Nagoshi left though.
it was good, story in its entirety wasnt as good as 7. The new characters were refreshing and all of kiryu missions plus old characters was very nice
what kept me from liking it more than 7 was how badly they fricked up Kiryus ending (or lack there of)
>Things just happen to Ichiban because they have to in order to move the story forward
>There are at least 3 different deus ex machinas to get Ichiban to hawaii because they couldn't think of a single organic way to start the main plot from how they started the game
>kiryu written completely out of character
>characters constantly stop to gawk at how cool and goofy established yakuza characters like ichiban and kiryu are
>characters just run into each other in the streets constantly to move plot points forward
>everyone just knows everyone and knows the exact guy they need to talk to to move the story forward so nothing feels organic
I really hate how much of a background character Ichiban is in his own game. They send Kiryu off in 7 setting up Ichi as the new protag of the series only to shoehorn Kiryu back in and make it his game again
I kind of hate that they felt the need to put Kiryu in the game at all as if they couldn't finish his story between Yakuza 6, him passing the torch in Yakuza 7, and an entire additional spinoff game.
Kasuga's probably not great for this sort of thing. In Y7, he had a personal connection to just about everything that was going on. In Y8, they kinda had to reach in order to get him involved. Honestly, Kasuga wasn't a particularly important member of the Tojo clan or anything, and he doesn't have much in the way of solid connections. Whereas it's incredibly easy to pull Kiryu into the fray and have him take center stage in whatever conflict you can think of, the same can't be said for Kasuga.
Honestly, I don't have high hopes for his future. Unless they pull another secret family member out of his ass or some important figure from his past, he has no real business doing any of this shit.
They were still building up the whole power struggle after the Omi and Tojo disbanded, and with the prevalence of Chinese and Korean gangsters, I figured that's where the RPG continuity was headed.
It doesn't seem too hard to create conflict surrounding Ichi since he's a successful business owner who inadvertently helped with such a massive dynamic shift, not to mention he had direct ties to a powerful politician who got murdered right in front of him by an activist group.
It feels like they built up all of this stuff for Ichi to get into and then they just threw it all away.
The business was a side thing. It's like the real estate minigame in Y0. Never expect any of those to ever be relevant in the main stories.
Also, the difference between Kiryu and Kasuga is that the Chinese and Korean mafias have a strong reason to be wary of Kiryu, hence why whenever he appears, they pull out all the stops to deal with him. None of these people give a frick about Kasuga.
Is there a way to absolutely cheese the final boss without trying? I just want to beat the game and i'm tired.
Final boss isn't even hard how are you having trouble
I was mildly serious when I compared Ichiban to Sora, they are both "feel good" characters. But, I didn't expect they'd actually made him as moronic as Sora (in KH3). Holy shit.
Story was shit. Ichiban is a moron. Gameplay was better than 7 but still lost steam halfway into it. They figured out a good combat system but didn't do much with it at the end of the day. I do not suggest playing this game.
This series needs a reboot. Its just way too wacky and lolsorandumb xD tier now. Its also a weird mix of violent and mature crime drama as well as being some kiddy tale of naivete and heart.
This IS the reboot you fricking moron.
IW made it clear the reboot sucks wiener and another one is needed
I agree, while I like Ichiban and crew, it should have been a spinoff and not the mainline series. Then once Ichiban was built up, he could crossover with Kiryu, then maybe become the next face. But, gah, idk what they were thinking by giving us another guy only 10 years younger than Kiryu. You'd think they'd want someone a bit younger. Not that I mind 45 year old protagonists, but if you're replacing The Dragon, it needs to be with another Dragon. Ichiban has his own style, but Kiryu is on a completely different level.
They have another, younger Dragon but he's eternally fricked over due to copyright
I don't think it's copyright, it seems more of a "we didn't make this so we don't really care about it" kind of situation
And good, he had great ending and now RGG won't make up some bullshit that ruins everything.
Speaking of bullshit, IW is one.
>This series needs a reboot
nah it needs more gaidens. akiyama and saejima need at least two games each and seonhee needs her own beat em up where she does heat moves that are sleeper holds with her legs.
the journey is almost always better than the destination in these games, and taken as it came, I had a lot of fun with it. Might be the most fun out of any game overall. Unfortunately, the story put us into all the right situations and places, but it was an incoherent mess. It was a big, fat mess.
I'm surprised we're nearing May and still don't have any big news. I thought we'd get something by April at the latest. All we got was Yokoyama surprisingly saying he wanted to remake Yakuza 3, but that it wouldn't be the next game.
I really didn't care much for 8. There was so much time where I just wanted to finish the game but decided I'd do a lot of the extra stuff. It was pretty boring and I thought the story was pretty shit compared to a lot of the other games. I also absolutely hated how often I heard "I thought you'd say that, Kasuga" or anything similar. Like they couldn't actually have the characters say anything meaningful and just decided to go on that garbage line? The ending was pretty shit on Ichiban's side too with Eiji.
2 and Kenzan are some of the better games but Kiryu has the best style in Onomichi with just the red shirt and white pants.
you forgot to play judgment
No. I've played them all. I played Kiwami 1 and Judgement on ps4.
When even long time fans who love Kiryu feel like this about the game, I wonder what Y7 newbies think about how Ichiban was treated by this game?
well for Kiryu fans, such as myself, I think it was actually a pretty good game but it sends so many mixed signals. After 7, the assumption was Kiryu might be some kind of mentor figure behind the scenes. But by the end of 8, he's the only character with a laundry list of still unresolved issues that feel relevant.
They even squashed most of the usual antagonists. There's really not much left of the canon antagonist groups. I feel like they're trying to push this more international. The ending of 8 with him wienerblocking the toxic waste disposal project implied heavily that other countries would be furious. So, there's no real Yakuza antagonists, no chinese mafia, no korean mafia, a severely weakened Daidoji Faction. I can't really think of anyone left to build up against.
I honestly still can't believe some people actually start the series with 7. Like it's a witcher 3 situation where the series isn't super connected and the game randomly got huge with its last game and the rest in the series were underground. The games were released every year and have a long and continuous story with a sizeable fan base.
complete garbage
I enjoyed playing it but man the story is enfuriating
Majima, Saejima and Daigo act like a literal unit for no discernable reason
keep in mind Majima already left the Tojo Clan and went his own way before. he fricking had his own construction business, what the frick is he doing hiding in shack after getting canceled on twitter?
Daigo being a gay is no surprise, but I am also disappointed at Saejima for going along with it as well
How is that Gaiden and Infinite Wealth were made at the same time but Infinite Wealth feels so much shittier in terms of writing
>but Infinite Wealth feels so much shittier in terms of writing
i think we all know writing has fallen off quite some time ago with 6 and 7 when they tried to send killyou off into the sunset and they just keep bringing him back anyway despite having a stable of fun characters that could easily lead their own games.
>i think we all know writing has fallen off quite some time ago with 6 and 7 when they tried to send killyou off into the sunset and they just keep bringing him back anyway despite having a stable of fun characters that could easily lead their own games.
That didn't start with 6 or 7, they've been doing the whole series
dogshit just like 7 was.
>love yakuza
>love jrpg
>hate 7&8
Gaiden being a low budget game was amazing tho
I thought 7 was great until the 3rd act. ichiban being the secret son of his mob boss father figure, and every twist that came after, was so fricking moronic it hurt