It did lead to us learning about how fricked up the US and UK governments were. Obviously it got talked about, but that got you labeled as a conspiracy theorist before the proof came out.
I wonder how many Zoomers believe the narrative that Julian Assange is le bad right wing ban!!1
Indirect fallout from 9/11 had such shockwaves that we're literally still feeling them. Remember the European Migrant Crisis in 2016? The chain of events that led to that shit started with 9/11. People that think it only effected America because it happened in America are butt-fricking moronic, America going full moron after 9/11 has had massive global consequences.
It's true, boomers ignore flaws when they praise old games, then cope with whatever excuses they have. While at the same time claiming to be objective. Most of the time it's all nonsense.
>argues against 90's game peaking >by showing a picture of its lowest
Anon, just stop. Pretty sad when you have to use Superman as your comparison against RDR2. Shows how insecure and threatened you really are. RDR2 is baby's first realism game. Shit like that for us was Duke Nukem 3D with pissing in a toilet. Except you have fun searching drawers over and over again.
/v/irgins will run around empty fields on zelda with PS2 graphics and be like ''hell yeah best game ever. Frick those movie games with good graphics where you have to spend 2 minutes riding to a mission"
I've never had an issue with traveling to a mission, and I'm not sure how many people made that argument. Sounds like a strawman to me It's more the fact that your mission is some hand-held interactive cutscene to do a task for women and Black folk.
Ahh i hate realism! My character cant turn 180 degrees in a split second without moving! I have to wait for my character to draw his weapon my adhd nostalgia clouded brain cant cope with all this visually pleasing, immersive and world enhancing gameplay!!!!111!!1
Get me back to pokemon and zelda running around with cartoon animals !!
I hate to point this out as is irrelevant to the argument, but I haven't seen this in I don't know how long. How old are you, 15? Because I haven't used that shit since I was a teen. Talk like an adult, homosexual.
No shit it was sarcasm you moron. It's always used sarcastically. It's never NOT used sarcastically. Are you fricking brain dead?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Except when you were a wee lad. Then it was non-ironic and soul and based.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It's always used sarcastically. It's never NOT used sarcastically
Nice try zoomie but it is used genuinely sometimes when people try to show that they're excited over something. They do type 1 on purpose, but the intent itself is not sarcastic.
that's because we played those zelda games with empty fields 25 years ago and gaming is still the exact same shit 25 years later, just better looking and more drawn out.
zoom zooms like you will never understand what it was like to live through the generational gap that went from everything being 2d (snes/genesis) to fully 3d (ps1/sega staurn/n64) and how utterly mind blowing it actually was.
Bottom: Tasked to perform menial chores within a time limit. Fail states seem arbitrary at times, as the game's systems are rather janky.
Top: Tasked to perform menial chores, ~*aesthetically*~ Sometimes those chores have a time limit. Fail states seem arbitrary at times, as character AI is rather jank.
I had to practice that run for a whole afternoon to get it right, and it was the fricking tutorial.
Driver was nuts like that. But also kind of solved once I realised I could go into oncoming traffic to make the cops crash.
True, but still helpful to show the decline of gaming over the years. I also don't agree that it peaked around the 90s. I think the 00's were the best gaming era. Close enough.
Something being improvable doesn't mean the original sucks. A lot of remasters frick up precisely because the devs of the original legitimately knew what they were doing better than the devs attempting to remaster it.
The devs of the original knew how to make something look good with the limited tech they had, the modern game dev doesn't even know how to make it looks good even with modern tech.
The media machine is a soulless entity that doesn't share any of your fondness or nostalgia for anything unless it can sell it to you.
Remasters are basically an admission of no novelty, it's a company knowing that people prefer old products and they "bring them back" like Coke Classic.
>why
I had a college professor tell me every single sociopolitical question has the same answer: $$$
>every single sociopolitical question has the same answer: $$$
Unless it's a story about a fat ugly woman, preferably brown and gay, fighting oppression, then apparently a hundred million dollars can go right into a furnace over and over and it's worth it somehow
That shit is like Renaissance patrician commissions - i.e. you don't make it for the public, you make it specifically tailored for the one psychopath with all the money. It's still pursuing profit.
The beautiful thing about psychopathy is you don't have to have reasons
3 months ago
Anonymous
what ? psychopathy means no empathy, not doing random stuff. you think they enforce women and mexicans in the workforce because its a very fun thing to do compared to the time they invest in this bullshit
3 months ago
Anonymous
Mexicans work harder than Americans 90% of the time
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's why Mexico is renowned for its economic output
3 months ago
Anonymous
America created and funds the cartel
No.
im sure their children will too, they ll be excellent citizens
Probably
Every job I've worked is Mexicans busting ass and white people on their cellphones
3 months ago
Anonymous
>white people
You're a mexican aren't you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Hilariously I'm Ire/Med
Worked a lot of labor jobs
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why were you on the phone while others were working
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't use my cellphone on the job people would get hurt
3 months ago
Anonymous
Now try to go over everything you typed and see if you can spot the parts that seem odd
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nope checks out
3 months ago
Anonymous
Poor form
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty pathetic gotcha attempt
Okay Kyle put the phone away it's time to work
3 months ago
Anonymous
Come on post your hands.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okay Pedro
go back to your siesta
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's 6 am
3 months ago
Anonymous
they bust their ass because their migrant and them busting their ass is the only reason why the US let them in, because they re desperate to live in a first world country. their kids will be entitled like they own the place and will be wife beater drug dealers useless fricks, basically white people but more annoying, its all a short term con to line the pocket of the few and slowly turning the us into an absolute shithole while china and russia rub their hands
3 months ago
Anonymous
No.
3 months ago
Anonymous
im sure their children will too, they ll be excellent citizens
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's like asking why Dobson needs to see women pumped with air until they become spherical and buoyant
Imagine that except with Debra Wilson, and in this scenario Dobson has ten trillion dollars AUM
>$$$
Is also the reason for all the fond memories you have with video games.
It's crazy that boomers are suddenly flabbergasted about the fact that games have always been just entertainment products, and not just special gifts from mommy.
If the older games were not so great, why are companies expecting a better return on investment for greenlighting remake/reboot projects when compared to new IPs?
Why are older brands more lucrative?
It's not like those brands and IPs didn't start out like the rest of them.
Couldn't it be that those who are doing new IPs are just simply worse than those who were doing new IPs back then? Couldn't those IPs gain a following that is a better investment now precisely because the older devs actually cared about the product and the community?
do we need to type it with more space between the letters
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think you understand my point anon.
Those brands also started out and had something that made then grow into what it is now.
Let's say Crash Bandicoot (the first one for the Playstation). When that came out, Mario and Sonic were dominating the platformer genre. Yet the game was good enough that it could create it's own "brand" we recognize today alongside those other games.
Yooka-Laylee, for example, couldn't achieve the same recognition. Why is that?
Couldn't the newer devs be overall worse than their predecessors?
3 months ago
Anonymous
When Crash came out Mario and Sonic were also THE only known platformers.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the game was good enough that it could create it's own "brand"
Do you know how much went to marketing?
FF 7 wasn't good enough to not warrant hundred millions in marketing. Think about that.
Why do you think hundreds of millions are poured into marketing?
Get an old IP, and you make use of those millions already used in past, plus all the marketing from consumers.
Marvel movies rely on "i know that thing from that thing", not on their quality.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's like asking why Dobson needs to see women pumped with air until they become spherical and buoyant
Imagine that except with Debra Wilson, and in this scenario Dobson has ten trillion dollars AUM
Can you slow the frick down
3 months ago
Anonymous
Marvel movies have just recently abruptly stopped making money for some reason in spite of being the exact same garbage that made billions a couple years ago
Special shout out to Brie Larson Is A Miserable c**t 2, which somehow fell $850,000,000 short of the beloved first installment
Modern devs are mostly incapable of making new IPs, so they have to churn out sequels or reboots.
Plus reboots can ride the success of the original without having to actually design something new.
Although I do like the remake for Spyro; after modding all of the character models to look like the old ones. After turning back on the original soundtrack that became my favorite way to play Spyro 1, 2, and 3.
nobody's going to shill for random garbage in a sea of steam abandonware. even at the height of demos you wouldn't have to sift through these numbers. remake something like monster bash or aoe2 on the other hand and suddenly you've got legions of soibois making youtube videos of that game they played in their childhood after getting home from a long day of getting their heads dunked in the toilet.
They don't. Remakes are free money for the IP holders. People are guaranteed to buy remakes because the original games were already good. And most remakes turn out to worse than the original.
I don't play vidya for escapism or 1:1 realism, graphics are just an ever growing model designed to sell cattle consoles and cards every couple of years while games barely change at all
Graphics are a horizontal upgrade, wake me up when they make games with soul
Unless this is a bait thread -in which case: haha nice one here's your (You)-, entertainment did in fact peak in the period depicted in picrel so much that it drastically affected youth suicide rates.
Sure, in a purely graphical point of view games made nowadays are prettier, however that would be an awfully naive way to look at entertainment as a whole. >Games/movies/books then were something people actually looked forward to, as in actively anticipated its release >The hype for new games were so big that street-long lines formed infront of game/book stores for big releases and at cinemas too >New IPs were the standard and not the odd-one-out >Corporate/management control in projects were at an all time low in the entertainment industry and experimentation was at an all time high >the console wars were actually positive in competition as all sides genuinely tried to make the absolute best games/consoles they could in order to compete >every single year, insanely large improvements were done in EVERY aspect of video games and movies (most notably in graphical fidelity) >Game journalism was at it's peak, as the journalists were actually honest most of the time
I could go on and on. The difference is so ridiculously big that the only ones who doesn't understand this are those who didn't experience this period.
You're still young, you'll understand eventually why older games were better.
'93-'06 was the peak of video games - plain and simple. That's not something only older people cling onto, it's a logical conclusion that anyone will reach, given enough experience with games.
I'm not too worried about "converting" you zoomers because it's only a matter of time before you understand.
Fun fact anon, when people say statements like >nobody actually plays old games.
They don't mean there is quite literally zero people that play old games. They mean the vastvast majority of people don't, and the only ones that do are the outliers that exist in basically every statistic.
He's right. Nobody is booting up their NES to play Swords and Serpents in 2024.
there is nothing more normal in the world than pretending like you play atari 2600 games to try to make a point. you are trying to oppress/bully the other person out of the conversation but you only have a position of weakness and lies to come from.
your behavior is extremely animalistic and basic human nature. you are a bog-standard person, and boring. you are normal.
>you don't play old games >yes I do, normalgay >paragraph long melty no u
Lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
but you don't though you are just lying
do you think you can lie to people who were actually around when atari 2600 was out? you, being some loser who can't even get laid or leave the house normally?
🙂
this place has really lost all value because the people here are loooooooosers holy frick
>I TOTALLY PLAY ATARI 2600 ALL THE TIME
you have never played one of those games once, fricking loser.
who LIES about playing ATARI 2600 TO TRY TO GET RESPECT?
your life is PATHETIC bro
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't play old games >yes I do >YOURE LYING ALSO A VIRGIN ALSO A NEET ALSO A LOSER ALSO PATHETIC
wow
3 months ago
Anonymous
right; you aren't going to sit here and disrespect me by telling someone else you play atari 2600 games
you don't, you have never played one of those games. you have never loaded one of those roms ever
you have never seen an atari 2600 in person. you have probably never touched a real NES. you have probably never touched a real fricking SNES
the degree to which you are a loser and calling other people "normal" offends me. fricking loser
3 months ago
Anonymous
but you don't though you are just lying
do you think you can lie to people who were actually around when atari 2600 was out? you, being some loser who can't even get laid or leave the house normally?
🙂
this place has really lost all value because the people here are loooooooosers holy frick
>I TOTALLY PLAY ATARI 2600 ALL THE TIME
you have never played one of those games once, fricking loser.
who LIES about playing ATARI 2600 TO TRY TO GET RESPECT?
your life is PATHETIC bro
Jesus Christ this zoomer is having a tantrum
3 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't recognize that posting style
Yeah, figured.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't play old games >yes I do >NO NO NO NO NO DONT DISRESPECT ME YOUVE NEVER BEEN IN THE ROOM WITH AN OLD GAME LOSER LOSER
Buddy, I'm on a og and X mega man kick right now, so I'm quite literally one of the outliers like you that plays old games.
I'm just letting you know people don't mean literally zero people when they say blanket statements like that, so getting offended by them is silly.
>They don't mean there is quite literally zero people that play old games. They mean the vastvast majority of people don't, and the only ones that do are the outliers that exist in basically every statistic.
Obviously but to be fair, I have seen posts in nuGanker that are claiming just that. So it's now a bit difficult to decide who is moronic (nobody = actually nobody) and who is not (nobody = very few people).
This wouldn't be the most idiotic take I have seen here.
I'm glad zoomers aren't having children, that way their generation ends up in nursing homes being beaten by the Black folk they went to parades for. A fitting end.
I'm glad millenials aren't having children, that way their generation ends up in hospitals with an infected axe wound, hormonal instability and a norwood 7 hairline, unable to unscrew their last bottle of onions by themselves. A fitting end.
There is never any game content in RDR2's landscape shots that are posted any time anyone ever posts about that game.
Why act like the landscapes make it a good game?
Because this is a debate forum and the easiest way to impress is with graphics.
It doesn't matter that rdr2 is just a gta clone except 10 times more boring due to the lack of anything to fricking do except the woke missions.
>Oh a jump puzzle. Woops I pressed the jump button too early, let's restart the level >Wow a maze! Should I go left or right at this intersection? >Cool a fetch quest. I'll just interact with everything until sometime happens
lmao fun in the 90s was playing shit like diablo, starcraft, quake, ultima online when it was coming out...entirely new emerging genres of some of the greatest games of all time
you have never been part of anything new, ever. you just buy what gets sold to you
you cannot imagine the excitement of being part of the community of games like quake, uo, everquest, completely new forms of entertainment springing up, with things like modding, tournaments, conventions and fan sites all coming into being
you don't participate in gaming in any way, you just "play"
where's all the mods you made
where's all the tournaments you organized
where's your fan site
consuming vidya and animu isn't for quirky geeks anymore
you're a failed normalgay
ah, that's just plainly false. sorry, you can't take those times away from me. I watched stuff like the very birth of counterstrike because I ran the action quake2 irc channel. I was right there.
it's in bad taste to try to do what you're doing 🙂 you don't care about self-respect though
3 months ago
Anonymous
>i watched
story of your life.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you want only to take away because you think you can't give
i singlehandedly actually made some relevant mods in gaming history 🙂
>the game was good enough that it could create it's own "brand"
Do you know how much went to marketing?
FF 7 wasn't good enough to not warrant hundred millions in marketing. Think about that.
ff7 did not have "hundred millions" in marketing and it was by far the most extnesively marketed/only extensively marketed game at that time
3 months ago
Anonymous
?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ff7 did not have "hundred millions" in marketing
Yeah seems crazy, right?
>Pixel hunting is older than you
I'm much older than most pixels anyone sees these days. I didn't have websites for help. I had to ask friends at school and they didn't know either. Games were fricking mysteries and they took months of your life and even then some of them beat you. It wasn't actually that great to be honest, there were no difficulty settings. But it's better than walking through a game following a line on the ground because it's a fricking race. It's almost impossible to explain for someone today. I love modern graphics and sound don't get me wrong. I'm just sad that for games to be hard now it's just parry timing. Each to their own.
I'm currently playing tomb raider remastered, before that it was powerslave and Duke Nukem and Psychonauts and Castlevania. I also have shadow of the colossus to finish.
I think AAA gaming took a bad turn around the PS3 era.
Roblox's non-p2w obbys stomp HARD over any 90s platformer that i have ever played before. Shame that Roblox as a service is the most predatory, evil company in the industry.
People born after 9/11 don't matter.
it must suck so bad. all their opinions are literally just manufactured by ecelebs. they aren't any different from npcs in games.
thats the truest thing ive ever read
I'll remember that next time I fill up on your kind at the gas station
9/11 doesn't matter
correct
Why are mutts always acting so overly dramatic over 9/11? No, it didn't "totally change the hecking world!!!" or whatever delusion you indulge in.
it changed America and America influences the world, so yes it did
Patriot Act changed the world and you're moronic if you can't see it
It did lead to us learning about how fricked up the US and UK governments were. Obviously it got talked about, but that got you labeled as a conspiracy theorist before the proof came out.
I wonder how many Zoomers believe the narrative that Julian Assange is le bad right wing ban!!1
Indirect fallout from 9/11 had such shockwaves that we're literally still feeling them. Remember the European Migrant Crisis in 2016? The chain of events that led to that shit started with 9/11. People that think it only effected America because it happened in America are butt-fricking moronic, America going full moron after 9/11 has had massive global consequences.
You have to remember 9/11 and the resulting controversy to matter though, so nobody before 95
I want to agree but millenials were poison for media and popular culture.
correct
Dead americans don't matter
israeli country
Rockstar movieslop is for cattle.
The 90s sucked for games besides a few sidescrollers, RPGs, and fighting games.
>Same amount of gameplay in both images.
The future sure is futuristic
SOVLLESS VS SOVL
It's true, boomers ignore flaws when they praise old games, then cope with whatever excuses they have. While at the same time claiming to be objective. Most of the time it's all nonsense.
I got to valentine and kinda got bored with the game. Played Dominos with Hosea was fun.
But like hunt an animal, instantly have to deposit etc. Maybe I'm GTA pilled too hard.
>argues against 90's game peaking
>by showing a picture of its lowest
Anon, just stop. Pretty sad when you have to use Superman as your comparison against RDR2. Shows how insecure and threatened you really are. RDR2 is baby's first realism game. Shit like that for us was Duke Nukem 3D with pissing in a toilet. Except you have fun searching drawers over and over again.
/v/irgins will run around empty fields on zelda with PS2 graphics and be like ''hell yeah best game ever. Frick those movie games with good graphics where you have to spend 2 minutes riding to a mission"
I've never had an issue with traveling to a mission, and I'm not sure how many people made that argument. Sounds like a strawman to me It's more the fact that your mission is some hand-held interactive cutscene to do a task for women and Black folk.
oh the giraffics!!, oh the clunkyness! there's nobody telling me what to do!!
Ahh i hate realism! My character cant turn 180 degrees in a split second without moving! I have to wait for my character to draw his weapon my adhd nostalgia clouded brain cant cope with all this visually pleasing, immersive and world enhancing gameplay!!!!111!!1
Get me back to pokemon and zelda running around with cartoon animals !!
>gameplay!!!!111!!1
>!!111!!!
I hate to point this out as is irrelevant to the argument, but I haven't seen this in I don't know how long. How old are you, 15? Because I haven't used that shit since I was a teen. Talk like an adult, homosexual.
Embarrassed over our childhood now are we?
Yes. I'd slap the frick out of my younger self like I'd like to do to you right now zoomie.
I'm most likely older than you.
Of all the things to start a fight over, the fussy boomer is crying about text.
Did he have to add /s for your single digit reddit spacing brain to process it?
No shit it was sarcasm you moron. It's always used sarcastically. It's never NOT used sarcastically. Are you fricking brain dead?
Except when you were a wee lad. Then it was non-ironic and soul and based.
>It's always used sarcastically. It's never NOT used sarcastically
Nice try zoomie but it is used genuinely sometimes when people try to show that they're excited over something. They do type 1 on purpose, but the intent itself is not sarcastic.
Zelda doesn't have cartoon animals. Well not animals you run around with anyway.
that's because we played those zelda games with empty fields 25 years ago and gaming is still the exact same shit 25 years later, just better looking and more drawn out.
zoom zooms like you will never understand what it was like to live through the generational gap that went from everything being 2d (snes/genesis) to fully 3d (ps1/sega staurn/n64) and how utterly mind blowing it actually was.
Damn. I guess boom booms or whatever your preffered pronouns are will never experience how utterly mind blowing moving from text to video is.
>Frick those movie games
Yes actually.
>where you have to spend 2 minutes riding to a mission
I've spent hours slowly riding to a mission in RDR2 & I only got to the fourth act
Bottom: Tasked to perform menial chores within a time limit. Fail states seem arbitrary at times, as the game's systems are rather janky.
Top: Tasked to perform menial chores, ~*aesthetically*~ Sometimes those chores have a time limit. Fail states seem arbitrary at times, as character AI is rather jank.
Bottom: Based on a TV show.
Top: Is the TV show.
correct
I had to practice that run for a whole afternoon to get it right, and it was the fricking tutorial.
Driver was nuts like that. But also kind of solved once I realised I could go into oncoming traffic to make the cops crash.
Harder than a real driving test
All made after the 90s therefore not old.
True, but still helpful to show the decline of gaming over the years. I also don't agree that it peaked around the 90s. I think the 00's were the best gaming era. Close enough.
>Resident Evil 2 (1998)
>Final Fantasy VII (1997)
>Driver (1999)
???
Riddle me this, Batman. If modern games are so great, why are most popular game now remakes and remasters of older games?
remakes of games made after 9/11
If older games are so great, why do they need to be remastered?
So they get better graphics and even then the remaster fricks that up.
>It's only the video part of a video game that sucks
Then the old video game sucks.
Something being improvable doesn't mean the original sucks. A lot of remasters frick up precisely because the devs of the original legitimately knew what they were doing better than the devs attempting to remaster it.
The devs of the original knew how to make something look good with the limited tech they had, the modern game dev doesn't even know how to make it looks good even with modern tech.
>why do they need to be remastered?
Because Zoomers won't play them otherwise.
The media machine is a soulless entity that doesn't share any of your fondness or nostalgia for anything unless it can sell it to you.
Remasters are basically an admission of no novelty, it's a company knowing that people prefer old products and they "bring them back" like Coke Classic.
>why
I had a college professor tell me every single sociopolitical question has the same answer: $$$
>every single sociopolitical question has the same answer: $$$
Unless it's a story about a fat ugly woman, preferably brown and gay, fighting oppression, then apparently a hundred million dollars can go right into a furnace over and over and it's worth it somehow
That shit is like Renaissance patrician commissions - i.e. you don't make it for the public, you make it specifically tailored for the one psychopath with all the money. It's still pursuing profit.
why does the psychopath do it?
The beautiful thing about psychopathy is you don't have to have reasons
what ? psychopathy means no empathy, not doing random stuff. you think they enforce women and mexicans in the workforce because its a very fun thing to do compared to the time they invest in this bullshit
Mexicans work harder than Americans 90% of the time
That's why Mexico is renowned for its economic output
America created and funds the cartel
Probably
Every job I've worked is Mexicans busting ass and white people on their cellphones
>white people
You're a mexican aren't you.
Hilariously I'm Ire/Med
Worked a lot of labor jobs
Why were you on the phone while others were working
I don't use my cellphone on the job people would get hurt
Now try to go over everything you typed and see if you can spot the parts that seem odd
Nope checks out
Poor form
Pretty pathetic gotcha attempt
Okay Kyle put the phone away it's time to work
Come on post your hands.
Okay Pedro
go back to your siesta
It's 6 am
they bust their ass because their migrant and them busting their ass is the only reason why the US let them in, because they re desperate to live in a first world country. their kids will be entitled like they own the place and will be wife beater drug dealers useless fricks, basically white people but more annoying, its all a short term con to line the pocket of the few and slowly turning the us into an absolute shithole while china and russia rub their hands
No.
im sure their children will too, they ll be excellent citizens
That's like asking why Dobson needs to see women pumped with air until they become spherical and buoyant
Imagine that except with Debra Wilson, and in this scenario Dobson has ten trillion dollars AUM
You still don't understand the incestuous nature of the media machine?
Flops make money.
How do you think airlines are still open?
The banks prop them up with the rewards programs.
>$$$
Is also the reason for all the fond memories you have with video games.
It's crazy that boomers are suddenly flabbergasted about the fact that games have always been just entertainment products, and not just special gifts from mommy.
If the older games were not so great, why are companies expecting a better return on investment for greenlighting remake/reboot projects when compared to new IPs?
Brand recognition
Why are older brands more lucrative?
It's not like those brands and IPs didn't start out like the rest of them.
Couldn't it be that those who are doing new IPs are just simply worse than those who were doing new IPs back then? Couldn't those IPs gain a following that is a better investment now precisely because the older devs actually cared about the product and the community?
>Why are older brands more lucrative?
brand recognition, moron
do we need to type it with more space between the letters
I don't think you understand my point anon.
Those brands also started out and had something that made then grow into what it is now.
Let's say Crash Bandicoot (the first one for the Playstation). When that came out, Mario and Sonic were dominating the platformer genre. Yet the game was good enough that it could create it's own "brand" we recognize today alongside those other games.
Yooka-Laylee, for example, couldn't achieve the same recognition. Why is that?
Couldn't the newer devs be overall worse than their predecessors?
When Crash came out Mario and Sonic were also THE only known platformers.
>the game was good enough that it could create it's own "brand"
Do you know how much went to marketing?
FF 7 wasn't good enough to not warrant hundred millions in marketing. Think about that.
Why do you think hundreds of millions are poured into marketing?
Get an old IP, and you make use of those millions already used in past, plus all the marketing from consumers.
Marvel movies rely on "i know that thing from that thing", not on their quality.
Can you slow the frick down
Marvel movies have just recently abruptly stopped making money for some reason in spite of being the exact same garbage that made billions a couple years ago
Special shout out to Brie Larson Is A Miserable c**t 2, which somehow fell $850,000,000 short of the beloved first installment
>A Miserable c**t 2
I don't recognize that thing
Modern devs are mostly incapable of making new IPs, so they have to churn out sequels or reboots.
Plus reboots can ride the success of the original without having to actually design something new.
Although I do like the remake for Spyro; after modding all of the character models to look like the old ones. After turning back on the original soundtrack that became my favorite way to play Spyro 1, 2, and 3.
nobody's going to shill for random garbage in a sea of steam abandonware. even at the height of demos you wouldn't have to sift through these numbers. remake something like monster bash or aoe2 on the other hand and suddenly you've got legions of soibois making youtube videos of that game they played in their childhood after getting home from a long day of getting their heads dunked in the toilet.
They don't. Remakes are free money for the IP holders. People are guaranteed to buy remakes because the original games were already good. And most remakes turn out to worse than the original.
People are moronic and refuse to play old games unless their nostalgia is exploited by mass marketed remakes.
I don't play vidya for escapism or 1:1 realism, graphics are just an ever growing model designed to sell cattle consoles and cards every couple of years while games barely change at all
Graphics are a horizontal upgrade, wake me up when they make games with soul
RDR2 is an outlier in that it’s one of the few masterpieces to come out recently
Unless this is a bait thread -in which case: haha nice one here's your (You)-, entertainment did in fact peak in the period depicted in picrel so much that it drastically affected youth suicide rates.
Sure, in a purely graphical point of view games made nowadays are prettier, however that would be an awfully naive way to look at entertainment as a whole.
>Games/movies/books then were something people actually looked forward to, as in actively anticipated its release
>The hype for new games were so big that street-long lines formed infront of game/book stores for big releases and at cinemas too
>New IPs were the standard and not the odd-one-out
>Corporate/management control in projects were at an all time low in the entertainment industry and experimentation was at an all time high
>the console wars were actually positive in competition as all sides genuinely tried to make the absolute best games/consoles they could in order to compete
>every single year, insanely large improvements were done in EVERY aspect of video games and movies (most notably in graphical fidelity)
>Game journalism was at it's peak, as the journalists were actually honest most of the time
I could go on and on. The difference is so ridiculously big that the only ones who doesn't understand this are those who didn't experience this period.
QRD: you'll never understand zoomer
that chart does correlate with my belief that 2007 was the final year of peak golden age gaming before everything started declining.
oh my god what a great gaming year. Zoomers will never undestand
>including mario and metroid
subtle
2007 what a year
You're still young, you'll understand eventually why older games were better.
'93-'06 was the peak of video games - plain and simple. That's not something only older people cling onto, it's a logical conclusion that anyone will reach, given enough experience with games.
I'm not too worried about "converting" you zoomers because it's only a matter of time before you understand.
>90s game
>fly
>modern game
>stare at horse ass and listen to black cowboy tell about his life
nobody actually plays old games. when they say old games they mean rpgs like morrowind or deus ex, not interactive fiction and adventure games.
I do
sure you do now that i reminded you that they exist.
Wrong
speak for yourself homosexual
Fun fact anon, when people say statements like
>nobody actually plays old games.
They don't mean there is quite literally zero people that play old games. They mean the vastvast majority of people don't, and the only ones that do are the outliers that exist in basically every statistic.
He's right. Nobody is booting up their NES to play Swords and Serpents in 2024.
>fun fact anon:
>I'm a normalgay
Gotcha
there is nothing more normal in the world than pretending like you play atari 2600 games to try to make a point. you are trying to oppress/bully the other person out of the conversation but you only have a position of weakness and lies to come from.
your behavior is extremely animalistic and basic human nature. you are a bog-standard person, and boring. you are normal.
>you don't play old games
>yes I do, normalgay
>paragraph long melty no u
Lmao
but you don't though you are just lying
do you think you can lie to people who were actually around when atari 2600 was out? you, being some loser who can't even get laid or leave the house normally?
🙂
this place has really lost all value because the people here are loooooooosers holy frick
>I TOTALLY PLAY ATARI 2600 ALL THE TIME
you have never played one of those games once, fricking loser.
who LIES about playing ATARI 2600 TO TRY TO GET RESPECT?
your life is PATHETIC bro
>you don't play old games
>yes I do
>YOURE LYING ALSO A VIRGIN ALSO A NEET ALSO A LOSER ALSO PATHETIC
wow
right; you aren't going to sit here and disrespect me by telling someone else you play atari 2600 games
you don't, you have never played one of those games. you have never loaded one of those roms ever
you have never seen an atari 2600 in person. you have probably never touched a real NES. you have probably never touched a real fricking SNES
the degree to which you are a loser and calling other people "normal" offends me. fricking loser
Jesus Christ this zoomer is having a tantrum
>doesn't recognize that posting style
Yeah, figured.
>you don't play old games
>yes I do
>NO NO NO NO NO DONT DISRESPECT ME YOUVE NEVER BEEN IN THE ROOM WITH AN OLD GAME LOSER LOSER
jeez
Buddy, I'm on a og and X mega man kick right now, so I'm quite literally one of the outliers like you that plays old games.
I'm just letting you know people don't mean literally zero people when they say blanket statements like that, so getting offended by them is silly.
I'm not your buddy
>They don't mean there is quite literally zero people that play old games. They mean the vastvast majority of people don't, and the only ones that do are the outliers that exist in basically every statistic.
Obviously but to be fair, I have seen posts in nuGanker that are claiming just that. So it's now a bit difficult to decide who is moronic (nobody = actually nobody) and who is not (nobody = very few people).
This wouldn't be the most idiotic take I have seen here.
key word play
you have never played any of those games
there is no value in those games, you'd know that if you weren't just aimlessly clout-chasing
I'm glad zoomers aren't having children, that way their generation ends up in nursing homes being beaten by the Black folk they went to parades for. A fitting end.
A post so moronic only a nonwhite could make it.
I'm glad millenials aren't having children, that way their generation ends up in hospitals with an infected axe wound, hormonal instability and a norwood 7 hairline, unable to unscrew their last bottle of onions by themselves. A fitting end.
zoomers will do the same
Won't need to worry about it much because boomers are the last voting block
all you've done is reveal how affected you are
>Remake of 90s FF game is more popular than the current FF title
Can't this shit up.
There is never any game content in RDR2's landscape shots that are posted any time anyone ever posts about that game.
Why act like the landscapes make it a good game?
Because this is a debate forum and the easiest way to impress is with graphics.
It doesn't matter that rdr2 is just a gta clone except 10 times more boring due to the lack of anything to fricking do except the woke missions.
>Oh a jump puzzle. Woops I pressed the jump button too early, let's restart the level
>Wow a maze! Should I go left or right at this intersection?
>Cool a fetch quest. I'll just interact with everything until sometime happens
This was fun in the 90's
lmao fun in the 90s was playing shit like diablo, starcraft, quake, ultima online when it was coming out...entirely new emerging genres of some of the greatest games of all time
you have never been part of anything new, ever. you just buy what gets sold to you
you cannot imagine the excitement of being part of the community of games like quake, uo, everquest, completely new forms of entertainment springing up, with things like modding, tournaments, conventions and fan sites all coming into being
you don't participate in gaming in any way, you just "play"
where's all the mods you made
where's all the tournaments you organized
where's your fan site
consuming vidya and animu isn't for quirky geeks anymore
you're a failed normalgay
being part of things doesn't mean they persist forever. anything of value comes and goes
people like you who don't have experiences don't realize this, you focus on owning physical things for this reason. funco pop guys.
you didn't participate in anything. you consumed. and even now you continue to do nothing but consume.
Isn't that what shitposting is
ah, that's just plainly false. sorry, you can't take those times away from me. I watched stuff like the very birth of counterstrike because I ran the action quake2 irc channel. I was right there.
it's in bad taste to try to do what you're doing 🙂 you don't care about self-respect though
>i watched
story of your life.
you want only to take away because you think you can't give
i singlehandedly actually made some relevant mods in gaming history 🙂
ff7 did not have "hundred millions" in marketing and it was by far the most extnesively marketed/only extensively marketed game at that time
?
>ff7 did not have "hundred millions" in marketing
Yeah seems crazy, right?
anon there are permanent objective markers in games now
you literally ping the environment for interactive objects like you're a fricking submarine
zoomers play games like they're on the fricking clock
Pixel hunting is older than you -oomer.
>Pixel hunting is older than you
I'm much older than most pixels anyone sees these days. I didn't have websites for help. I had to ask friends at school and they didn't know either. Games were fricking mysteries and they took months of your life and even then some of them beat you. It wasn't actually that great to be honest, there were no difficulty settings. But it's better than walking through a game following a line on the ground because it's a fricking race. It's almost impossible to explain for someone today. I love modern graphics and sound don't get me wrong. I'm just sad that for games to be hard now it's just parry timing. Each to their own.
Post some of these games that took months of your life.
>oh press x to win
>i guess I'll press x
>gay cutscene
This is fun in the 2020's
/v/yperbole is kino
Why did they change the gem counter that was kino.
Shut up and pay for the game again
I still have my all ps games I don't need to buy a lesser version and the gem counter is the least of the games issues.
I'm currently playing tomb raider remastered, before that it was powerslave and Duke Nukem and Psychonauts and Castlevania. I also have shadow of the colossus to finish.
I think AAA gaming took a bad turn around the PS3 era.
Roblox's non-p2w obbys stomp HARD over any 90s platformer that i have ever played before. Shame that Roblox as a service is the most predatory, evil company in the industry.
t. 30yo and not a pedophile
>and not a pedophile
cringe
>that feel when no men in suits cheering you on
>I can't get it up unless other men are watching
weirdo
Ok but let's see you fly like superman in RDR2
Fact check: True
It's not games, it's the world that changed.
>spawn camping vs. teambalance
*compares Thief and Gollum
nothing personnel, kid