>you all are actually gonna pretend the answer was ever good
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>THANK YOU SHATLUS FOR GIVING ME LESS CONTENT!
>Ganker is suddenly ok with devs being lazy and cutting large amounts of content in a remake
Meanwhile they'll change one line in the beach babe hunting scene and you'll all start screaming censorship.
We all know that they will release that later as a 60$ dlc
This. I actually wonder if this will affect sales
It is good though, in fact it's the closest to a real game and not a social sim. The pacing is considerably better, the characters have actual plot relevance and character development and the ending is more bittersweet and downer than the original ending. It's perfect
It's another campaign entirely, are you seriously not expecting Atlus to sell that as DLC?
Instead of not including it they should have fixed it.
The only people who hate The Answer are wienermonglers who only play Persona for the social shit and played on easy modo.
>It doesn't matter if devs cut out 30 hours of content, that content was shit anyways!
Who cares if it's shit? It was always an optional content that's seperate from main game. If you don't want to play it, you don't. But having less content than a PS2 game is laughable.
We've already been through this song and dance when you were trying to pretend the shitty P3P port was good. Don't you get bored?
>Don't you get bored?
i did when i played the answer
Game is mediocre but Heartful Cry is fantastic.
the answer's gameplay wasn't great but there wasn't much wrong with the story, a couple fixes to the sheer grindyness of it all could go a long way
people will shit on various characters for "going back" on their characterization but it's one thing to say you're prepared to watch one of your best friends die and it's another to have it actually happen
and if offered the chance to have them not-die i think a lot of fricking people would jump at that chance
The Answer retcons a pretty much prefect ending into this insane "He didn't bring himself to the limits of his ability for his promise and finally die... he was just an automatic husk, and a door this whole time!" as well as completely retcon Nyx and introduce a completely new, never even mentioned enemy, all so they can tease him getting resurrected.
Considering it wasn't made by the P3 team, I can't blame them for not wanting to include it.
>He didn't bring himself to the limits of his ability for his promise and finally die... he was just an automatic husk, and a door this whole time!
The fact that he was a door doesn't change anything. Having your soul eternally trapped is arguably more tragic than just being peacefully dead.
>completely retcon Nyx
Didn't happen
>introduce a completely new, never even mentioned enemy, all so they can tease him getting resurrected
Erebus is collective suicidal tendencies. It's not going away.
All your gripes with The Answer are based on misunderstandings and bullshit.
>Erebus is collective suicidal tendencies
Not just suicidal, but homicidal as well. Any desire for death feeds into Erebus' existence.
>Original
He used up his very life to seal Nyx. But then kept himself going even afterwards until he could keep his promise, where the last of his strength gave out and he finally died. Compare with: Nia from Gurren Lagann.
>Le Answer
Uh, actually he BECAME the seal. But...I guess his body was still there too, and it just kinda went on autopilot without his soul until graduation? And a soulless automoton is totally the same as keeping his promise, and the Aigis scene... okay it doesn't make any sense but just ignore it, okay!?
Nevermind "Uh, actually Nyx isn't the big bad, he's basically irrelevant! The REAL big bad is this dog nobody has ever so much as hinted at before! Oh! And Elizabeth totally beats him up every night as revenge, because she's mai waifu!"
>okay it doesn't make any sense but just ignore it, okay!?
I don't know what you're finding difficult to understand about this. His soul binds the Great Seal. His soulless body continued on, and without his soul started to shut down. He had to push himself to stay alive until graduation day, where he finally succumbed. That's it. From the characters' perspective he simply dropped dead out of nowhere and they didn't know why.
>Being a soulless husk on autopilot is definitely the same as keeping the promise in the ordinal original ending
>None of his companions noticed because... they just didn't, okay!?
>Aigis still said what she did because... she just did, okay!?
Just accept that Atlus pussied out of their original ending and fed you a shit sandwich instead.
They did the same thing with Chidori.
>She gets magically resurrected... because of the power of love!!!
>So... uh... did nobody love Shinji? Guess not
The wrote a sombre, sometimes dark, story with weight and stakes, and then walked it back ever since.
>Being a soulless husk on autopilot is definitely the same as keeping the promise in the ordinal original ending
I don't recall anyone being happy he was dead. Even the toaster was traumatized, especially after singing a song that effectively says "I'll protect you for the rest of my life" shortly after he dropped dead in her arms.
>None of his companions noticed because... they just didn't, okay!?
They didn't notice because losing the Dark Hour caused them to lose their memories. Like how Yukari says that a Persona opens your eyes to the truth, that loss closed their eyes. This is also what Ryoji told them would happen if they killed him, except the Fall would happen after.
>Aigis still said what she did because... she just did, okay!?
Aigis isn't a human, she's a robot, so her memories weren't erased.
>She gets magically resurrected... because of the power of love!!!
She got resurrected because her own damn life power resurrected her. Just like it resurrected Junpei after Revolver Jesus shot him to death.
>So... uh... did nobody love Shinji? Guess not
moron. Christ, play the game.
I get that some people prefer when some things are left vague, especially when it ended on such a perfect note. But your complaints are moronic.
They confirmed her dead in The Answer.
FES resurrection is not canon. Same as P3P revival galore.
>They confirmed her dead in The Answer.
No they didn't.
Yes, they did. I'm really starting to suspect you didn't even play the game, instead skimming through cutscenes on youtube. Your posts get dumber by the minute.
No, they really didn't. Junpei alludes to the time when Chidori died, but doesn't specify that she's STILL dead. In P4AU he has a necklace that she gave him, and she clearly didn't give him that necklace in P3, so she must be alive after to have given it to him then.
Pic related. Fricking idiot.
>P4AU
Really, Black person? You're gonna bash The Answer for some imaginary bullshit, but gonna bring up that trash heap.
>Really, Black person? You're gonna bash The Answer for some imaginary bullshit, but gonna bring up that trash heap.
You're conflating me with someone else.
>They confirmed her dead in The Answer.
moron alert
Yeah, everywhere you go. Look up 2 posts above, dumbass.
>Anon can't understand context or tenses
>FES retcons itself!
kino
Are you the same moron as this one?
How is that sentence in that situation makes any sense if Chidori is still alive? Why would he consider going back to change the past if she's alive anyway?
Look, I'm done talking to you. You obviously have problems with reading comprehension. No point in trying to prove anything to you. You're just gonna keep sperging out, mad that your opinion is based on something you can't even remember right.
Characters talk about how Nanako died in P4, do you also think that she's dead? Is Persona4Golden not canon with itself? Or do you think maybe Junpei is talking about before her resurrection?
literally no where in the answer says he was just an automated robot. it was still him, just slowly dying. also him becoming the seal was hinted at to begin with
it was still him you fricking moron he was just slowly dying because he had no soul because he fricking sacrificed it to be a seal.
>He didn't bring himself to the limits of his ability for his promise and finally die
but thats literally what happens, the answer is just the result of him doing that. him sacrificing himself is still there, just instead of death he decided to give himself eternal damnation for his friends.
I liked it 🙂
Not playing it, but I liked the story. It was ok.
Most people who talk about the answer just watch it on youtube anyways and now everyone is screeching about it not being part of the game.
Literally all they needed to do was let you use the compendium.
Don't care not buying your shitty remake.
I genuinely believe The Answer is harder than any numbered SMT game and that includes 3 on hard, I wouldn't know about V though because I haven't played it.
You know that everyone plays P3 for the brilliant dungeon crawling gameplay, not the school simulator stuff right? Nobody remembers social links and shit like that, those are stupid and wasn't the staple of the series. Look at P4 and P5, they didn't bring those features back cause the fans loathe them. All the fans talk about is how amazing the dungeons in the game are.
>you all are actually gonna pretend FeMC was ever bad
She absolutely is. She completely ruins the entire meaning and theme of the story.
Philemon the absolute jester appears in the answer and that makes the game better than any modern persona
>re-release old game
>has less content than before
>costs more than the old version
>and now there's also paid DLC
NOW THAT'S GOOD GOSYLOP
Probably would have been enjoyable if the minibosses' resistances weren't all "Null all but one element that still has the evasion boost passive."
If you thought any part of P3 was hard then you're unbelievably moronic, probably less than 70 IQ.
Who said anything about it being hard?
It's not very good, but that should be the point of a remake; to polish what worked and fix what didn't. A remake is an opportunity to take content and mechanics that needed more time or thought and present it in a new way that's actually enjoyable. Simply cutting an entire crucial scenario that explains events that are continuously referenced in future entries just because it was rough is bullshit. The remake is an opportunity to take the events of the Answer and present them in a way that meshed better with what worked in the original game.
For example, they could create an additional section to the game akin to what they did for P4G and P5R. Maybe they give you that extra time where the Answer takes place after beating Nyx where they polish up the slog through dungeons again, maybe adding in some social sim elements. I don't think most people would be against a handful of social link scenes Aigis could have in-between delving further into the main dungeon where she maybe hangs out with Koromaru, gets more context on why Yukari is so hellbent on what she believes is right, or even has some scenes in her room, reminiscing on moments she had with the protagonist.
If something was rough around the edges, the choice to simply get rid of it entirely is frustrating. A remake allows you time to go back and fix it up, present it in a better light, and focus in on what good there was in it. Getting rid of the Answer is such a lazy cop out, and could outright be damaging to the story if left out since multiple games reference its events. People will, once again, have to play different versions of the same game to understand what characters are talking about in some of the spinoffs.
Not even Pokegays could defend Pokemon BDSP not including Platinum content. Meanwhile, Atlus pigs are unironically defending a remake of P3 VANILLA.
>ummm we never liked femc and also the answer is too hecking hard and problematic
This company has you under their fricking boot heel.
>Not even Pokegays could defend Pokemon BDSP not including Platinum content.
They still bought Scat&Toilet which were even worse so I don't know what point you're trying to make, there's moronic paypigs in both franchises.
>Not even Pokegays could defend Pokemon BDSP not including Platinum content.
they absolutely did, what the frick
that was the worst possible conparison you could make
Fricking this. Persona/SMT fans are a very weird breed of moron
>ummm we never liked femc
Me unironically
>This is a story of a disconnected, loner youth, someone without connections and no attachment to his life
>Throughout his journey he builds connections, builds friendships and bonds, and comes to value the world. Instead of being willing to die for nothing, he dies for something.
Yeah, those themes totally hold up if you replace the FeMC with a preppy, cheery, popular girl that isn't disconnected from the world at all, and is best friends with everyone in class within the first week. And no, it's not about the gender, it wouldn't work if you replaced him with Yu Narukami either.
>demakelets will never return to the somber dorm on the verge of closing to see character at a loss grieving as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayc4sCi7dF4 perfectly catches the mood
>demakelets will never know crucial character development moments deepening characters in a meaningful way, instead of idiotic "muh protein" flanderization of every other expansion since
>demakelets will never experience the feeling of the group completely falling apart culminating in one of the most kino moments of the series accompanied by one of its best songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3emFUXbC5U
>demakelets will never see characters learning to move on and welcome brand new days
The only hope left is that Atlus are being israelites instead of just lazy and will include it as DLC at some point. But I wouldn't hold my breath for it. People who really cared and understood the game has long since moved on.
great post. i've always viewed people who don't like the answer as something less than human. they simply don't get "it".
I wish there were this many The Answer defenders years ago on P3 threads
I was there, 15 years ago.
Day one DLC:
Elizabeth Boss Fight: $9.99
Persona 5 Costume Pack: $5.99
Persona 5 Music Pack: $5.99
Koromaru Dog-Walking Sidequest: $5.99
DLC Persona - Orpheus Telos: $2.99
DLC Persona - Psyche: $2.99
>the only Custom persona relegated to DLC
Don't you fricking dare.
Don't forget the P4 & 5 MC Boss Fight DLC, only $4.99 each
Also I'll be very surprised if there's only 1 costume pack and not at least 3, (each bought separately).
The maid outfits and high-cut armor will definitely be DLC
>tfw persona has entered the incomplete remake stage that pokemon has gone through
>don't remake the bits that could actually use remaking
>remake the good bits but worse
This is the mindset you're defending.
>because its bad you shouldn't remake it
???
The entire point of a remake is to make something that COULD have been good actually good. The Answer was the ONLY part that fricking needed a remake
Genuinely don't know why people are pissed about this. The Answer was nothing but grinding and the "story" shit all over everyone's character development in the Journey.
I don't think they'd be moronic enough to leave out FES content like Aigis's social link and Elizabeth's dates. The interviewer didn't clarify what they meant so I'm thinking (hoping) it's just a misunderstanding but we'll see.
I mean, a remake is an opportunity to fix what didn't work. Simply dropping it is lazy as hell. Especially when you've got a bunch of spinoffs that reference the events to The Answer, so them leaving it out here leaves out a major part of the story. Regardless of whether it was done well, it's not part of the canon and can't be ignored.
So they're ignoring it. Which is fricking stupid. The whole point of a remake is to fix shit that was bad in the original, not just drop it all.
Genuinely don't know why you would by the same game again with less content for more money
>shit all over everyone's character development
it solidified it you fricking moron. people doubt and people regress all the fricking time. but the answer lay in the heart of battle and they earned their future.
>SMT Nocturne locked at 30fps, requires fans to scream at Atlus before they add in fusion skill selection, contains all the same music from the original in their low quality state, ran like shit on certain platforms, and only really had slightly cleaned up textures as well as mediocre voice acting
>Persona 3 was ported and cleaned up, but they used the P3P version which meant static visual novel cutscenes, in which a lot of the visuals were just upscaled terribly
>Persona 3 Remake is using content only from the base version of the game, which means another version people will debate about because you've got major content additions/features scattered about P3P, FES, and now the remake
What in the goddamn is wrong with Atlus and porting/remastering/remaking their games? Seriously, it doesn't make sense to me. Regardless of whether you love or hate games like SMT and Persona, they typically come out relatively polished and with a decent amount of work put in. Yet the second they try to go back to the games they've made to port them, all bits of logic go out the window.
Hell, even the Persona 4 Golden port had issues on day one with stuttering during all out attack scenes. And that was basically a straight port with no real additions.
Making a definitive version is legitimately a bad business decision. You can port, remaster, and remake games infinitely if there's always something to fix.
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. Look at Resident Evil 1. You got the original, the Director's Cut, the Gamecube remake, and then all the ports of that remake. That remake became the definitive version, and so Capcom will regularly port it with some added QoL features like better frame rate or resolution. And people continue to buy it because it's a fantastic version of the game that nearly replaces the original.
There's plenty of value in releasing a definitive version of a game. What there isn't value in is constantly jerking your audience around with half-baked ports, remasters, and remakes that are embroiled in debates over whether they're worth playing over the original. For example, I know a lot of people who saw the P3P port come out, but were told about how it was a lesser version of the game in a lot of ways, in which they either didn't buy it or had to go find a way to emulate P3FES.
Regardless, they're not even making an alternative version or anything of these games. They're just making debatably worse versions. Ones that are often filled with performance issues, questionable DLC, and lack of any real remastering of audio/visuals. They're not even fixing enough to justify the ports in a lot of cases.
You'd think with a remake, we'd get more content instead of less. They could easily improve it if they tried.
I enjoyed it. Gave me the same feeling when I beat dark souls 1
Yes I love Aigis
The Answer was an absolutely garbage retcon that ruined the perfect ending of P3.
But as much as I hate it, it's still canon and it's referenced in other games. Not including it is even more garbage. And triply so if the reason they don't include it is to sell it at a premium with a Remastered Re-Release.
It's the canonical epilogue to the game, if it's not in the remake then there's no point in bothering to play it as your first time with P3.
The Answer sucks wiener, but the remake could have fixed it. Remakes are supposed to make things that sucked actually good.
What sucked about it?
Basically I'm just not gonna buy P3R.
I know.... UGH I know... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just that I'm not gonna buy it is all.
>remake of a game
>think a piece of the game sucks ass
>would rather see it cut than actually remade into something great
Fatlus homosexuals everyone
>i-it wasn't that good
>i-it doesn't matter the answer happening is recognised by later games
cope of gargantuan proportions
I don't care about them not adding in The Answer cause it was 95% dogshit. What I do care about is the possibility that they cut a lot of main game content FES had like Aigis SL, Elizabeth events, the recording camera events, etc. Although the announcement said they're adding new shit so maybe it's just retooling of the FES SLs just not The Answer.
Either way the big neg is them replacing the English VAs so unless it has JPN audio it's a day 1 pirate.
I don't care if it's good it's CANON content that was stripped from the game due to pure laziness.
People have been pretending to like The Answer since P3P came out, anon.
That said cutting content from a REMAKE is still a israelite move
I thought The Answer was a must play. I thought The Answer was the entire reason the MC was lauded as "Door-kun", for shit that transpires only in the ending given by The Answer. I set up an upscaled high performance emulated version of P3: FES for that entire purpose, to play The Answer version of the game to get the TRUE EXPERIENCE.
Now everyone is going "THE ANSWER IS DOGSHIT FRICK THE ANSWER"
>being surprised at people playing the contrarian card on Ganker
Are you new?
I honestly care less about The Answer and more about the other little details that FES added. Like the extra social links and funny bits like the security recordings, and hanging out with Elizabeth.
>moar aigis
yeah, it's good