You are put in charge of writing WoW 2
Blizz magically decided to stop being garbage and retconned everything after Vanilla.
How do you make the lore not absolute dogshit???
You are put in charge of writing WoW 2
You are put in charge of writing WoW 2
Blizz magically decided to stop being garbage and retconned everything after Vanilla.
How do you make the lore not absolute dogshit???
furry holocaust
>retcon everything after TFT
>make the game world 10x larger than vanilla map was
>player characters are able to solo play and explore just fine but dont turn into special snowflake main character godslayer at level cap, more akin to a unit from War3
>big named heroes are very rarely utilized, mostly fixated on governing their states instead of playing soap opera in other dimensions
>the world is dangerous with each race having their little corner
>Horde and Alliance are unfriendly though not hostile but you can learn to speak each other's languages and even play together
>Night Elves and Forsaken are not members of the Horde or Alliance
>Eastern Kingdoms focus on reclaiming land from the Scourge remnants, healing the taint from the undead and demonic invasion, exploring the craggy and foreboding Eastern shores, navigating the power struggles between the DI dwarves, orc holdovers, and black dragons, trying to rebuild the human kingdoms
>Kalimdor is super focused on exploring the wild unknown, night elves rediscovering ruins from before the Legion invasion or just forces that left the forest and never returned, Horde races trying to eke out a living in difficult hostile terrain, remote Titan facilities, just huge expanses of strange, beautiful, but deadly lands
real problem is WoW has been mining the RTS games for so long that there is no mystery left in the parts of the setting that are actually cool, all the new stuff the MMO has added in the last 5-10 years has been fricking dogshit and just deeply uninteresting at best. the best part of the early MMO was the sense of wonder and adventure but there is no wonder or mystery left in any of it, everything has been explained and retconned/"recontextualized" over and over and over again
also this, the game looks like Tumblr/Pixar fusion diarrhea at this point, just look at the new Nerubians and tell me the art design of the franchise isn't dead
>How do you make the lore not absolute dogshit???
Disregard the past 20 years of Warcraft lore and write a cool grimdark fantasy story of orcs vs men with some demon or undead shenanigans here and there
No cosmic threats
No space or time travel
No wacky lolrandumb characters
Draw clear lines between good and evil but let players choose which ones they want to play out. To specify players joining the horde will have to do quests that actually require them committing evil actions.
>Grimdark
have a nice day. The most overused, boring and restrictive genre.
>Grimdark
>Clear dichotomy between good and evil, very traditional fantasy design of the forces of good fighting the forces of evil.
I don't think you actually understand what Grimdark is.
Grimdark is almost always Diablo or Darkest Dungeon style edgy bullshit with blood, guts and misery. WoW has always had forces of good vs evil, it's just that the factions are morally grey
You don't know anything about warcraft, I stand by what I said
I'm not the guy who made that post, I'm just saying your definition of grimdark is fricking weird. All he said is that he wants a more down to earth humans vs orcs game, which to be fair to him is basically what Warcraft 1 and 2 were.
Stop pretending you actually played WC3. The New Horde isn't evil and the factions work together against greater threats.
>To specify players joining the horde will have to do quests that actually require them committing evil actions.
So, every Forsaken quest?
>Draw clear lines between good and evil
arthas is the best part of warcraft precisely because you cant clearly draw lines between good and evil. kys
arthas is completely blatantly evil past the prologue
Arthas did nothing wrong until he got to Northrend.
I refuse the job. It's over. It's like trying to add sequels and sequels and sequels to The Lord of the Ring. Stop it. It's over. It had a good ending, go write something new.
Grimdark is moronic for Warcraft, it was never meant to be like that. It's literally just as bad as the current Disney tier writing and animations
kys
I'd retcon Sylvanas being raised as a banshee (an optional objective in RoC) and the Forsaken as a whole. Most of TFT and EVERYTHING in WoW needs to be redone.
Base it on the actual two Warcraft games, Warcraft 1 and 2.
Ignore the frickery of the writing that was Warcraft 3 since it was just made to introduce as much shit as possible for the MMO
make thrall a woman
Make it about the fricking war. Factions are races, not stupid alliances that make no sense whatsoever. Threats are actually threats that stay the long run and aren't completely finished off in one raid.
And most importantly, keep it low scale.The player character must not be the quadruple chosen one savior of the multiverse, just a random dude making his way in the world.
If it were up to me, WotLK would have been three expansions, in order to build up how much of a threat the Lich King was.
>Factions are races
that would be an absolute clusterfrick gameplay-wise
>azeroth the planet explodes
>only people that survived are Evokers, Death Knights, and Demon Hunters.
>titans grant power to random people on a new planet because of "there must always be new champions" reason.
>players start off at level 1 but after new starting hub they are level 20
>add more classes and races and go with gw2 mount system with mount skins on cash shop
>sub cost still 15 bucks per month but can add 5 more dollars to get access to a endless crafting/regent bag like in eso
My own style of writing would lead to historical fiction, writing about e.g. not-Coriolanus/Alcibiades, or whatever, Juxtaposed into Azeroth, with systematization of how magic works, etc.
But that's not Warcraft now is it. So I would go with the style of WarCraft: entirely based on rule of cool, nothing fancy. Most of everything goes like fans always speculated, like Lich King is defeated in an epic showndown between Arthas and everyone who has a bone to pick with him, from Jaina to Mal'ganis (well, Mal'Ganis surviving is Wrath, but that one detail for instance is fine to retain). No forced melodrama with Wrathgate or Broken Shore and shit: Horde and Alliance won't be at war (which is moronic anyway because Alliance so overwhelmingly outnumbers the Horde) but there's more regional conflicts that players can participate, like Defilers vs League of Arathor or Frostwolves vs Stormpike Guard, but at the same time the factions aren't portrayed as becoming friends. Game timeline first explores Kul'Tiras, Zandalar, Kezan, Pandaria, Quel'Thalas, Grim Batol, and other familiar places in Azeroth, final 3 plotlines are Northrend, Outland, and finally Argus, where Burning Legion is defeated with the help of the Titans, although I think it would be appropriate to update the world every now and then, kinda like TBC had Sha'tari guard investigation and the Fruit Vendor feud progressing in patches, but more extensive and more than cosmetic (for instance, perhaps Lakeshire bridge gets fixed in an unrelated content patch).
They got really fricking mad at you in /vg/ for fricking up the OP
I'd recon the entire series, now with proper writing and set lore from the start, so no retcons nor endless power creep.
I'd start with Warcraft Forever (IV), which plot wise would tell both a remake of Warcraft 1+2 and also a campaign of the first big war in Azeroth (I guess the first war among trolls and the nerubians or whatever), with all the major wars in the middle being added as DLC, finishing with the remake of Warcraft III 6-12 months before launching WoW 2.
Gameplay wise I'd evolve the genre too doing basically a mix of grand strategy and RTS.
what's with the lines??
>he thinks it's the writing made wow bad
lol
lmao, even
I don't make WoW2.
I make Craftwars.
Set thousands of years in to the future.
Merge Warcraft and Starcraft.
Thats just HotS
>Merge
What the frick are you talking about. Just make WoSC
>umm Alex? Afrasiabi? Come back please
delete all lore that happened after frozen throne
that's it, let the story end there.
Why? Vanilla's lore is pretty good. Mostly because they were just setting up a whole new world and invented new characters and stories, it started becoming pure dogshit in TBC, the moment they brought back old characters and destroyed their storylines
hm i guess you're right in some regards, vanilla did have some interesting stories. the problem i have with making the lore into an MMO is a group of guys in <DICKSUCKERS UNITED> can kill arthas or cthun or whoever. it's better when you are playing as in-game characters like in WC3 than as your own created character put into the world.
which also is one of the reasons the lore got out of control bad imo. if there has to be an mmo it was better when you aren't the world saving hero and just a random person
Scourge starts asspounding kalimdor and spreads from Razonfen Downs.
and when then mists surrounding pandaria clear we just see its already been discovered by the scourge, the plague spread through their ale houses. 99% of pandas dead
>Just ruin one of the most interesting and nuanced continents for le edgy shock value
Kys
>don't feel too strongly about things or the sha will manifest!
>nuanced
Wrath was easily WoW's least interesting xpac, no one staying around for Wrath Classic. The scourge are just generic zombies, it's not interesting. Pandaria had the celestials, the pandaren culture, the mogu, the mantid, the trolls, and so much more. It managed to be lighthearted while also very serious.
>ching chong copypaste
yeah real interesting
hey tell me again why they built a wall to keep back insets that can FLY
OOK DOOKEM IN THE DOOKER HAHAHA
*FAAAAAAAAAAAAART*
Either make the Horde actually commit to being evil or make the Alliance just as bad in different ways to justify the faction war.
Night elves and Forsaken should be reclusive NPC factions. Scourge should be a faction of its own with its own classes. There are no PvE servers. The story focuses on faction warfare rather than cosmic threats and quests force players near enemy towns like Hillsbrad used to do
>B-but scourge are mindless slaves
Shut the frick up
I make world of warcraft about war
they tried and everyone hated it
now we ended up with troonflight thats a giant fricking hugbox, factions dont matter and you have even all raid together
its disgusting, i just wann bash o*rc no shoes hordeBlack person skulls in b
Wow pvp is fun... when you can actually fight your opponent. The problem is that most of the pvpers in the world don't want to fight. They want to win and kill everyone with ease. So they overlevel and go to underleveled areas or rove in packs and only take fights they can win. That sucks for one side and it's b***h moves for the other. If you can beat on an opponent for 20 seconds and not make a dent in their healthbar there's really no point any more and that's 90% of modern world pvp.
By not making wow2 instead make wc4.
Pretty much just keep books War of the Ancients, Day of the Dragon, Lord of Clans, Rise of the Horde, Cycle of Hatred, Of Blood and Honor, The Last Guardian and Tides of Darkness outside of the main WCI-III lore. Hard restart from starting point that WoW starts at 5 years after WCIII.
I mean, the lore of WoW was never really anything special, it was just a good medium for players to exist in.
When IPs go too long they always turn into a clusterfrick of storylines piled on top of one another that lose sight of what made the IP special in the first place. I would say maybe devise an in-universe way for the story to soft reset from time to time and do some more experimental things on occasion. They might not all be amazing but you might hit a few good ones on occasion.
>How do you make the lore not absolute dogshit???
I timeskip about 500 years into the future.
>I timeskip about 500 years into the future.
Then what?
Whatever the frick I wanted without being beholden to lore that turbo autists will b***h endlessly about.
hot take but lore hardly matters in itself. whats really important is how the player is presented the story. main character type story sequences do not belong in MMOs. Put the person in the world and let them do some quests and kill things, maybe work on a profession right away. I hate starting up a big multiplayer game and spending the first 20 minutes going through a forced tutorial where it plays like a single player game in my own little instanced area.
MMO's in general becoming more single player focused has been so fricking lame. I'm really supposed to believe I'm the one true hero in a game that has hundreds of players running around doing the same exact quest? It just doesn't work in an MMO. I love how in vanilla WoW you're just some random adventurer and the game is self aware that other adventurers exist.
Could someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as a new player without buying the game and only with the sub I can create a new character and play trough the old expansion using chromie and the questlines there will fill me in better on the actual story?
With a sub you can level up to 60, so yes, you can play through all the expansions and all their story up to Dragonflight.
I'd make it so its all Draenei but you go to different planets and you meet different stories as the Draenei so for example, the Dwarven lands are one planet, orcs are a different planet, pirate planat, jungle planet. ETC.
Side note.
How did WoW actually make female humans unique? They seem to stand out compared to human females in other games. I'm thinking it's the proportionately long but thick legs, and heavy looking breasts that sag a bit.
I know it's weird but usually humans in games are either very modest or idealized. Adding gravity makes them stand out.
we should have total customization options for wow 2. i want to play as a fat black woman with an afro like i deserve.
I would just remake vanilla in its entirety, but make the game's graphics equal to the Warcraft movie and have the game be completely free to play. You can't tell me it wouldn't be the most kino experience ever. Slap in a couple new mystic soundtracks, some new faction questlines, a few dungeons and new goofy items, and bam. MMO of the century.
https://rule34video.com/video/3084077/filling-her-with-the-light/
Add some goddamn emotion to it.
we need more garrison content and also world quests. we shouldnt have alternate leveling methods. i want to be charged real money to raid and pvp at a higher level. no more "fun zones" which people actually like. timeless isle sucked. the "play for 10 minutes and enjoy it" model doesn't work. i want to be in 30 minute queues for something boring. theres absolutely nothing i would want to do except a 3v3 arena match with a healer, there is no other type of gameplay. my IQ is over 300, this all seems good.
>reimplement Panderen and Goblins as neutral races who can gain and lose rep with Horde/Alliance through their actions
>allow characters to go full race traitor if they want by turning on the new PKing function to kill allies and raise their rep with the opposite faction
>???
i can design my own map. every section of this map will be like a treasure chest filled with gold. i'm imagining the typical rats here will make $2 per hour. that is actually a good amount to simulate a feeling of accomplishment. this can be done through looser protection of the digital / physical conversion, it can be done entirely with bitcoin. $2 per hour will be made through labor in the forge. you will be killing enemies who drop tokens, thats so boring isnt it? not really actually. i enjoyed the concept of cycling through the map, this can be done through spawns which also reward comparable tokens and a rare mount. we want there to be total noobs here who dont know what the hell they're doing for us to bully. this can be done through confusing mechanics which take 20 hours to figure out. nobody is really going to google what happens in assfall cave, they want to explore it. they want to experience the depths of assfall cave with their own hands. but what if assfall cave was filled with pozzed traps and the loot wasn't that good, but sometimes it actually is good. this type of misleading gameplay can create fun moments. every person should feel a desire to explore things and click on them. we will also include griefing, theres a wide selection of griefing mechanics to choose from. i want to be stunning up noobs on my rogue and running away while they die to a fall mechanic. overall i'm just too tired to play wow. its too much shit to research, and it doesn't seem worth learning. we could return to simplicity and have the levels in wow 2 looks like mario level select. nobody really liked traveling anyways.
>after vanilla
Too late a starting point already.
maiev kills tyrande out of the blue and everyone is pretty much okay with it
also I'd give maiev her girlfriend back, she deserves it
>You are put in charge of writing WoW 2
you know what nobody gave a single shit about during the golden age of wow? the writing. me made our own adventures. we didnt need cutscenes telling us what a bad guy vancleef was and how he was mean to trannies. it was about the friends we made along the way.
you accept that 15 years of wow is more than any one game should have and just move on and do something else instead of forcing yourself and millions (thousands now) of desperate bag holders to keep the hamster wheel running forever
Keep the story simple and literally down to earth. That's when WoW's stories work the best. Make the players random adventures again instead of each player being a "champion."
I'd make Futanari Eredar canon.
>Fail to kill Lich King in wotlk
>We all become his champions
>We launch a raid on all alliance and horde bases in Northrend aswell as Dalaran with the help of Sindragosa
>After securing Northrend we launch an invasion of Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor
>As war rages all over Azeroth, Deathwing arrives
>Without Thrall we can't do anything about Deathwing
>Hour of Twilight
>We all die
>Most trannies detransition while the rest kill themselves
>troony population in real life drops by at least 75%
I thought about something like that too. What if we actually lost to the Lich King, and our souls got trapped inside Frostmourne, our bodies risen as undead? Then every expansion is nothing but a string of hallucinations. The way the Lich King controls souls is by giving them false perceptions. They think they're still alive, carrying on with their normal lives.
>You thought you were fighting Deathwing, but you were fighting one of the good dragons, and so on.
I write in a self insert character, and I put him into an explicitly romantic relationship with Sally Whitemane. Every time you boot up the game, you have to watch a 30 minute cutscene of me vigorously fricking my wife in various positions.
would play
>WoW 2
>it's just ghostcrawler and ion tied to a wooden spining wheel together, 15 feet away from a huge barrel of baseballs with a cardboard sign with "WoW 2, 2$ a throw" painted on it
>every time you nail one of them in the junk metzen yells "BY FIRE BE PURGED" and confetti shoots out