You need to localize it.
For example, onomatopoeia like "どきどき" means the pounding of the heart. Onomatopoeia in Japanese is very common, compared to western fiction.
But we would never say in English "My heart is *pump* *pump* when you are beside me!". Naturally, localization must come in.
Another example is when humble/ polite language is used, like the ます suffix for verbs.
How would you convey that someone is using the polite form in English? It has to be localized.
There are also many Japanese expressions and naming conventions that do not make sense for literal translations.
Frick off, troon. AI does your job 100 times better you waste of oxygen
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Reddit homosexual abbreviation KYS
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Notice how the troonylators suddenly are very polite and "matter of fact" after shitting down your throats for 10+ years and mocking you like psychopaths because you didn't like their "creative" writing.
Hope the MTL gets more and more jobs, AI-chan will finally save us from these clowns.
I want them to die. Every single one of them. If AI takes their jobs and they all starve to death I'll be very happy.
>For example, onomatopoeia like "どきどき" means the pounding of the heart.
thump thump
not my fault you're too low IQ to understand the context
>...And That's Why We Had No Choice But To Put "Among Us" References In The English Version!
Your intentions may be good, but you're carrying water for some genuinely bad-faith actors.
Just use Doki Doki as intended
fundamentally speaking translations and language in general are all about conveying meaning and intent. There might not be 1:1 comparisons but you can usually get across the general idea. This is very different from wholesale changing the meaning because it bothers your sensibilities or something silly like that
>あなたの側でいてどきどきするよ!
>My heart throbs when you are beside me!
here, I translated it for you
I don't disagree but I can totally picture someone speaking out
My heart is like 'badaboom badaboom' whenever your near me.
It just depends on the tone of the scene.
Just say dokidoki. Non-autists can use context clues to figure out what a word means.
I hate localisers and dubgays
the problem was addressed by a translator last thread--not everything needs to be stated because it is implied.
if the company wants a certain line changed because they think the target audience will find it strange, that is one thing. but localizers often add unnecessary pizazz because they are so focused on wringing all the potential meaning from the line instead of just getting the line across so the story can be played correctly.
the bigger problem with japanese localizers on the whole is that japanese is the only language they work with and it shows.
The issue is not localization is being done, but how it is being done.
>"どきどき" means the pounding of the heart
>"My heart is *pump* *pump* when you are beside me!"
Anyone, anybody looking through a objective lens at text, would take this to mean one character has a crush on another and is shyly admitting it, and gets flustered in their presence or this particular conversation.
Just dont change the meaning. Lets look at some incorrect inferences localizers of today might make and try to spin the dialogue. This character, with this text:
1. Does not want to be friends with the person.
2. Does not "look up" to the person they are speaking to.
3. Does not exclaim random things or resort to physical altercation in an attempt to "cover up" their crush.
The character is shyly admitting that they have a crush on the other. In 1 and 2 above, the text is spun to change the meeting of the interaction entirely, away from what the author intended. 3 is even more grievous, you are adding personality elements to the character that are not present in the original text, painting them as something they are not.
ESL here, isn't "pounding" derived from an onomatopoeia as well?
leave as is
>my kokoro goes dokidoki
ez, no AI necessary
Hey guys since we’re doing this thread one after another every couple hours, maybe we should move it to /vg/ since it’s a general. What do you guys think?
I'll file the permits with the /vg/ janny
>This word doesn't have a direct translation
>This means I have to put references about gamergate and remove any mention of women and men being different from each other.
>This word doesn't have a direct translation
>This means I have to over reach to support my non argument
>over reach
Ironically that's exactly what localizers do and that's why people hate them.
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You're absolutely right OP but you're arguing with morons who took one semester of Japanese and think they're experts because they know some kana
>localizers finally reaping what they sow
Translation isn't just re-writing the words as they are. Context, if it is implied in one language, can absolutely be written in if it's not apparent.
>koko no kokoro ga dokidoki
>my heart races with you
Also, just putting onomatopoeia by itself then using that to justify your flimsy argument is moronic. Translating the sentence in Japanese you left out to get your "translation", it'd be perfectly fine to say:
>My heart is beating fast when you are beside me.
What wouldn't be okay is:
>You're such a fine polygendered piece of love-muffin that I can't help but have my heart leap from chest, or at least I would if I was that kind of girl. But instead, I am a strong individual and so I don't really feel anything. Also, Trump is literally Hitler.
do you think it's theoretically possible for a localizer to improve a story? doesn't matter if it's happened or not, and it doesn't matter if you think it's a translator's place to change a story at all. just, do you think it's possible for a change made in translation to make a better script than if it was translated more faithfully?
There are people that actually argue this to be the case, but every time you investigate it, it's wrong.
so you think that the script of every japanese game is 100% perfect, and there aren't any changes that could possibly be made to improve it.
I will believe it when it is achieved
Correct.
You will never be a real writer or game dev.
Make your own shit instead of being a parasite ruining actually good media if you disagree.
do you even believe that media can have bad unlocalized scripts?
To have this as a valid question you first have to NOT be standing on 3 decades of anti Japan cultural sabotage from troonlizers.
just answer the question homosexual. is it possible for any piece of media, from any language, to have a bad script, without first having that script be localized?
Yes, the original script of every Japanese game is a 100% perfect rendition of the original script. Any "improvement" thus moves away from that, and is a failure of the localisation or translation, at best a necessary evil.
I could translate, say, Nekopara Vol 1 by replacing the entirety of the text with the entire Lord of The Rings trilogy, and some people (possibly many people) would enjoy that more than a faithful translation. But that's irrelevent. As a translation of Nekopara Vol. 1 it would be a complete failure.
The actual thing done by localisers is even worse. Rather than replacing text with something decent they do it with their own awful fanfiction. I wouldn't want an actually good author to vandalise someone else's story, never mind the failed writers that are paid to do it in reality.
No.
If I wanted to consoom goyslop I would to back to westoid shit.
You will never be Japanese.
Improve is subjective. Is it better that a translation makes a certain characters motives less ambiguous than they were in the original? Or make someone who’s generally agreeable and considerate despite the misfortune in their life into someone noticeable more bitter and sardonic?
Is it just me or have these threads noticeably worse lately? They used to have some pretty interesting discussions and lots of anons who were clearly knowledgeable about Japanese, but now people spend the entire thread making bad faith arguments like this:
troonylaters see the writing on the wall and are desperate. Dunno what they think arguing on Ganker will accomplish, but I personally enjoy it. You can smell the fear.
What seems to be a single unemployed localizer has made it his mission to shit up these threads. I'm assuming to lower the quality of, and eventually stop discourse.
its nice to see complete localizer meltdown.
they should be accountable for not doing their job.
you can guarantee some localizer is going to try to rewrite the persona 4 remake because they hate the source material.
>you can't localize japanese which means i should insert amogus memes and twitter lingo into it
Kys.
If you don't like localizers then go ahead and translate games for yourself. That's how I have been playing japanese and english games. I'm at the point where I barely have to look up english words and for the japanese I understand more than 70-80%.
Stop relying on trannies and furgays.
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>I'm incapable of comprehending the possibility that other languages and cultures may be different from mine ad I lack the empathy or patience required to learn anything from media that carries markers of other cultures.
Ironically, you're just a bigot and you're projecting your inability to relate to others.
You made this thread yesterday.
What's with this board and like 10 schizos making the same threads every day.
very true, you can't just say "dokidoki", the correct localization is "all property is theft, kid".
dont care about localizers since theyll dump every current meme/talking point into a game as if rando kids want to understand as opposed to weebs
i will gladly pay the scrappy fantranslation any time of the day
>"my heart goes *thump* *thump* when you're beside me!"
I haven't even taken a writing class in nearly a decade and my job is copying down numbers, how the frick do you NOT figure this shit out?
>make a game inclusive to minorities
>they complain the entire time that it feels inauthentic
>literally every nonwhite character is criticized
why even include them at this point if they dont even like the representation?
who the frick is this for?
It is for themselves.
>We are so good for including the poor black people in our game. Mmhm, man our fart smells so good!
the biggest mistake gamedevs make is pandering to anyone outside of the core male teenager audience
people whose entire modus operandi is complaining on social media will never be happy and do not buy video games
>complaining on social media will never be happy and do not buy video games
literally Ganker