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No, she pretty.
No I fricked her
can you frick her?
Didn't specc into rizz and volition talked me out of it
No, you cannot.
not with that attitude, I bred her, simple as.
It never happened.
Ofc not, I'm a b***h.
Its Day 2. I still haven't been able to talk to her.
Damn right I did. She wasn't willing to give Harry the frick and suck.
based
cringe and compromised
Didnt this homie get compromised too? I managed the skillcheck, but still he literally tells you to let her go when its time to arrest her
i think encyclopedia is unironically the only one who can't be compromised
Encyclopedia is compromised, the only one that isn't is actually half-light
Half-light and Endurance are interesting skills in what they uncover about people you have conversations with.
how can encyclopedia even be compromised, the dude is literally just a compilation of trivia knowledge
you can get fed fake facts I guess?
He could use obscure trivia in order to convince you what bullshit that was said is true. "Ah well according to some sources that may be true because *lore dump*".
Also he could be just straight up wrong. The weakness of Encyclopedia is that it just knows things, it doesn't have commentary on source or context. It could be citing propaganda, or a lie.
A compromised Encyclopedia is capable of omission as well. In a way, it's perhaps the most insidious skill because it has the appearance of pure utility but there's nothing in this world that doesn't have a spin.
Yeah Drama, Electrochemsitry, and Authority are probably the top 3 "If you listen to them regularly you are going to have a bad time" skills but Encyclopedia is special because it contributes SOO little despite saying so much. Sort of like an equal but opposite Inland Empire. They are both disproportionately noise to signal; Encyclopedia is always *relevant* but its almost never *appicable*, while Inland Empire's hunches are usually irrelevant but when its right, its super important.
Upon replay I found myself stunned by how often inland empire was actually cryptic foreshadowing of major plot details. Like more than half of everything it says, even seemingly offhand or whimsical things. (Maybe this case has a twist - a *dark, sexy twist!*)
>a dark, sexy twist
There's so much shit about the autopsy that Kim gets wrong you can correct him on that earns you massive Good Cop points when Klaasje confirms you were right about it all. But the best is when you insist "he was enjoying the moment of death" after looking at his dick and she confirms he was balls deep in her at the time.
le petite mort
Well similar to your average OnlyFan user, Encyclopedia could offer you a detailed explanation of why spending your parents entire life savings on a prostitute is actually beneficial
Encyclopedia does get compromised in the final nightmare
He sees Dolores Dei and just can't make the connection that this is not real, and urges Harry to talk to her
yeah because he's fricking useless
Wompty-Dompty Dom Centre is inclined to disagree with that asessment
>Didnt this homie get compromised too? I managed the skillcheck, but still he literally tells you to let her go when its time to arrest her
Volition is compromised in the sense that it's overcompensating at first, but when it comes to letting her go Volition is probably looking out for Harry down the line by sparing him from a potential guilt trip after the Moralintern disappears her.
I remember him saying "shit dude I don't know, you're on your own on this one".
Volition is compromised but it also tells you straight up that it's probably compromised
Volition is compromised in that it's overcompensating for the other skills simping over her and basically turns into Half-Light
Thank you Volition for preventing Harry from turning into a simp
you just forgetting his ex wife?
Volition is also there to prevent him from simping over his wife
and a fantastic job it's done for the last 10 years
Never trust the Dutch.
Am Dutch. Can confirm.
I don't believe you.
No, I was a simp. She's exactly the type of woman who'd manipulate the shit outta me irl.
Can relate
Nah, I always allow her to give me the slip. I also tell Ruby to run. It feels right.
>telling Kim you didn't rape her immediately makes him believe you did rape her
Drama should be here.
For me, it's Empathy
>not posting the canon version
Of course. Any sense of duty and self-respect above all. Women are temporary, but you? You have to spend your entire life with yourself.
>harry "knows" the working class husband is missing before even talking to working class woman
was it paranormal third eye frickery or did he fricking kill him?
It was just a joke about side quest design that ends up turning into a horrible tragedy.
He's spent 3 days in the area getting drunk and doing drunken investigating, part of him probably still remembers she has a husband and finds it odd he's not there
But is there justice in arresting her and giving her up to grabs to her past employers, given how corrupt the Moralinterns are?
she admits to ruining peoples lives, even says someone killed herself because of her actions
during arrest she throws blame on the only other woman that helped her when she was in this bizarre extreme situation
so is it justice that she gets whats she deserves?
I'm not trying to wash the blood from her hands, I'm just posing the question whether it really matters with what you uncover while working the case, what the implications of a Union war are and what will happen going forward. If you allow her to escape, will she spend the rest of her life enjoying a Sex on the Beach in some third-world paradise or are you simply buying her more time before she gets caught and killed? And if you wish to give justice to all those whose lives she severely impacted and even ended, how's it justice if you're just serving her on a plate to people who are even more morally repugnant? It's clear that she feels actual guilt and regrets some of it in all the dialogues you have with her, and while she did Ruby dirty in shifting the blame and was manipulating you, that guilt is hers and will remain with her all her life.
She's the reason the corpse is in the tree, the Hardies are taking the blame and the mercs are about to slaughter the Union
You are punishing her with obstruction of justice in a murder investigation. She should have thought her actions through if staying on the run was that important to her.
No, Ervrat is the reason there's going to be war, nothing happens without him knowing about it in Revaschol, especially not his men hanging that corpse.
>she is literally the reason Ruby and the Hardies put the corpse in the tree
>n-no! it was Evrart!
Compromised
Do you remember what Ervrat tells you regarding the war, how he manipulates you into telling everything to Joyce so the situation can be escalated even further? Yeah, it's all her fault, LOL!
>literally did nothing wrong
Are you fricking stupid? He's a gross, grotesque caricature of neoliberalism and he did everything wrong and deserves a lot of the blame for all the shit that's going to go wrong from when the game ends. He's no good guy, the game makes that point obvious, which you would have known had YOU PAYED ATTENTION AND WERE ATTENTIVE DURING DIALOGUE WITH HIM!
Anon, I'm not saying this again.
Klaasje manipulated the Union into putting the corpse in the tree and taking responsibility for killing him to save her skin
This makes it HER FAULT the mercs are blaming the Union for killing him
Why do you hate women? It's clear that the Union and the Hardy boys do nothing without Ervrat giving his approval, and besides, it's not her fault that a mentally deranged revolutionary is still caught in the past and killed her lover from a small island, a man whose services Ervrat used in the past.
Klaasje merely helped him in that regard without meaning to, unknowingly might I add.
How is Revachol in the game functional, by fear mongering and taking the property away from people so he can enact his monuments? He just co-opted socialist/communist rhetoric to get his workers to trust him, but has sinister plans and is not afraid to be blunt about it.
>He just co-opted socialist/communist rhetoric to get his workers to trust him, but has sinister plans and is not afraid to be blunt about it.
It's called social corporatism, and has worked as an ideology in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Estonia until they started letting Black folks in.
He's a clear neoliberal and has a lot of dirt on him due to all the mafia related business.
Evrart and the Hardies want a functional Revachol, and their ideology has worked for centuries.
>Evrart and the Hardies want a functional Revachol
Evrart and Edgar only care about Martinaise, which is a tiny part of Jamrock
Hating Evrart is a sign of not playing the game, or not paying attention. Evrart literally did nothing wrong, at any point.
>n-no! it was all Edgar!
>It's clear that she feels actual guilt and regrets some of it
is it?
in reality during interrogation manipulative criminals with personality disorders like sociopathy, narcissism or psychopathy will fake feelings of guilt when its no longer impossible to lie that they are innocent, so they will pretend they feel remorse so the incoming inevitable punishment might be lessened
her guilt might be just a tool to manipulate harry and kim into not arresting her
>my life is so fricking shitty, here is all the bad things ive done, now i have to live with my self, feel sorry for me and dont arrest me
her lying and throwing ruby - the woman who helped her - under the bus shows shes manipulative and will do anything to save her ass
She had enough empathy for her lover to call the damn police so you could remove the body, that nobody cared about. She even spend all that time smoking on the balcony to try to pin-point the location of the revolutionary sniper who killed him. She's a nasty person, but there is some small bit of humanity still left in her and that's why her character works and is so interesting.
>but she felt sympathy for objectively the worst person in the entire game
She gets the wall and your liberal "buh buh Mengele is human too!!!!" bullshit fools no-one.
She's in no way comparable to Mengele, anon.
Ellis was pretty heavily implied to be the tamest of all the mercs, even if her feeling sympathy for him doesn't really absolve her.
Imagine being this woman. You're sneaking up with him and you're getting it on when suddenly the window shatters and his fricking head explodes all over you. There's no shooter in sight, this just fricking happened to you. And then suddenly the local mob's 9 biggest roughest dudes burst into your room, collect the body of your dead lover, and instruct you not to talk about this.
Are you gonna spill the truth to the arriving detective who drove his car into the ocean, ran around on a coke-and-booze binge, and then violently destroyed the hotel room beside yours as he screamed half-coherently about some woman that ruined his life? Then add to that, if you ever get taken into custody and identified then the shadow government that undemocratically administrates Reyvachol will torture and kill you.
Sorry if I sound like some suspicious bleeps and bloops, but yeah, I pity her.
>his fricking head explodes
Didn't happen. The killer explicitly laments this fact.
>local mob's 9 biggest roughest dudes burst into your room, collect the body of your dead lover, and instruct you not to talk about this
The coverup was her idea
Anon she's literally the one that called the cops. She wouldn't have even been interviewed if she hadn't done that. Where the frick are you getting this rabid delusion that the coverup was her idea?
When you track down Ruby she says that Klaasje basically went into corporate spy mode right after he was shot and started making it look like he died by hanging
Fair enough, came across to me like she was full of shit but it's not an unreasonable interpretation at all since Klaasje is equally full of shit.
Honestly would be even more incentivized to cover my ass if I knew who The Human Can Opener actually was.
compromised hands typed this post, she was literally the one who wanted to cover it up
I don't blame you for it, but there are hints that Klaasje is a sociopath which will get mixed in if you're not paying attention to the proper sequence of events.
>And then suddenly the local mob's 9 biggest roughest dudes burst into your room, collect the body of your dead lover, and instruct you not to talk about this.
In reality, Klaasje covered it all up, and started a series of lies between the Hardies (+ Ruby) only to call the cops days after the fact any way and bust their own plan on you repeatedly, which not only makes the Hardies waste their time in front of officers but even results in them being gunned down in the streets while she runs off to safety.
Her actions are nonsensical, prioritizing herself to a ridiculous degree and inviting trouble into everyone around her. It's very clear her pity show is nothing with the full picture, but taking things step by step with her constant misdirection can fool you into believing she's confused and grieving.
Covering up a murder=/=being a murderer. You can't arrest her for making you feel stupid and not wanting to frick you. "Impeding an investigation" is bullshit since nobody could have known who the actual killer was and its very easy to get the evidence that proves her innocence even without her cooperation.
Covering up a murder is both a crime and also resulted in even more people being killed
You can't blame the Wild Pines mercs going on a rampage on her. That was their decision. If your idea of justice is entirely based on deductive reasoning (This happened because of events she set into motion) then why accuse her of anything when she only acted in response to the actual murderer?
It still doesn't address how she covered up a crime and roped in a bunch of men into trouble for no good reason. Even if the actual murderer is ultimately the person who set off the entire chain of events, that does not absolve Klaasje of guilt when she gets the Hardies killed, much as being a conspirator to a crime or showing a grievous disregard for human life are both crimes which can get you charged with homicide (in the United States). Of course, you can't arrest her ingame before the Hardies' gunfight happens for committing murder, so from an ingame lens you're arresting her purely for lying and misleading an officer. Once they actually happen she'll be long out of there, and Kim will rather spitefully point out how you REALLY should've arrested her once it's made obvious that she simply used you.
Kim isn't the arbiter of justice, he has his own shortsightedness. The situation in Revachol means that any cop other than Harry would have arrested Klaasje on the spot, and she'd be in jail for a crime she didn't commit and had no way of proving her innocence (because who is going to believe "a random sniper shot him while we were fricking"?). So no, her taking steps to at least obfuscate her involvement makes perfect sense to me because she literally was not involved. The sniper killed the merc for his own reasons, she just happened to be in the same room. Everything else, like the staged hanging, was someone else's idea (Evart, in particular)
>because who is going to believe "a random sniper shot him while we were fricking"
You're right that she was lucky to get Harry, but how could she have predicted she would've gotten him, and how does the coverup assist her in this at all? Harry is talented enough to be able to calculate the trajectory of the bullet based on the shattered glass, and figures out that it must've come from nearby building or the island, which exonerates her from the crime immediately. In other words, all of her ridiculous actions didn't matter because she would've been proven innocent any way.
>Klaasje literally could not defend herself legally if the police were unwilling to do the proper legwork.
Then why does she admit to you that the story is a lie the second the Hardies appear and say she's a rape victim? She doesn't know Harry is a god-cop, if anything he's a huge frickup. She's saying it because she knows he's a frickup based on his actions? Well that just furthers her looking manipulative. Does that not just immediately cast a huge light of suspicion both on her, and the Hardies? You see how her actions make no sense?
Think about it this way. If she gets a normal cop, the kind that would not exonerate her, then they only make it as far as the Hardies because the "logical" conclusion is the lynching. They can't be arrested, so the cops go home and everything is fine. If a supercop like Harry shows up, they will see through the story and look past the Hardies to her but in doing so will have to have done enough legwork to realize that there is no logical way Klaasje could be the murderer either. Either way, she can protect herself. If a cop had made it far enough to realize her role in the story then it was fine to speak frankly with them, because they would be invested enough to actually look for the truth. As for why the cover up story is so crazy, thats Evart's doing. I'm sure Klaasje would have preferred something more subtle but Evart wanted a big show for his Union schemes and the Hardies, while loyal, aren't especially bright and "they can't arrest all of us" was the best they could come up with. She only went to them in the first place because she was on good terms with them.
Okay, but also consider this: if she was on good terms with the Union and knew that if any cop dug into her they'd find out who she was and immediately arrest her, why not just ask them to help her flee? She's already on the run in the first place, what's running further? Everyone knows the police are incompetent and borderline powerless.
Her actions are self-destructive from the start. If she's already a felon, then just run again. She does this later any way, but only AFTER her actions get people killed and she wastes the police's time, the police that were only there because she decided to call them days after the hanging transpired.
For the same reason she called the cops in the first place; despite appearances and her job, Klaasje is ultimately a decent person who wanted justice for the dead mercenary. She wanted to catch the killer, she just didn't want to take the fall for it. She clearly really liked the guy and made a connection with him. Running would have been easy, yes, but it wouldn't have fixed the situation (the mercenary would still be dead and the tensions would be high) and she would never have any resolution for her dead lover. Its easy to assume because she's naturally manipulative that she's some kind of sociopath, but then again so is Harry and we know he hurts like anyone else.
>Klaasje is ultimately a decent person
That's correct, she wanted justice. But as I was hoping you'd think of, this just goes in a circle. If she wanted justice, her actions still don't make sense. She was covering things up in a ludicrous way from the moment the shot was fired, and given her resources there were dozens of better, obvious ways to go about this that would've kept everyone safe instead of just herself. But she didn't do that, she instead framed and painted targets on everyone's backs and then bailed once the water came to a boil: the tribunal. All that, between the anonymous call, to the hanging, to Ruby, lying to harry, just for her to run any way.
Kim isn't a paragon of justice, but there's a reason why he's clearly pissed that they didn't take their one opportunity to arrest her. Her actions are suicidal at best, sociopathic at worst.
I don't necessarily think that makes her a sociopath though. Maybe just reflexive spy behavior? Like if your whole life is espionage maybe you just forget how to deal with shit without a ton of schemes. Harry is the same way, he doesn't know how to do anything without treating it like a detective case. Every conversation an interrogation, constantly overanalyzing everything, etc.
>I don't necessarily think that makes her a sociopath though
It definitely means one thing, and it's that she views other people as tools to get her own means, which would definitely fall under the quota of your spy definition.
Ultimately it's very hard to sympathize with her, even if her position was made understandable, her actions are certainly not. You could chop up her plan to something just like calling the police with the anonymous tip and then running while hoping for the best, and worst comes to worst the case goes unsolved as it probably already would've had she just been arrested or the cops not been able to discover that it was the Deserter all along by calculating the trajectory of the shot from the glass. Her goose chase only hindered the investigation and costed lives.
Going back to the "Only a supercop would make it this far" thing, she may have felt it was necessary to stick around as the only actual eyewitness to the murder. The Hardies had the story of course but only she had a first-hand account of what happened. The sad part is that that's also what makes her the most obvious culprit so it's a dangerous game to play, basically hoping that anyone who made it as far as questioning her would also realize they had a lot further to go.
God I hate when people directly compare Harry to Klaasje. Klaasje has done like two decent things in her entire life. Harry genuinely cares about the greater good and volunteered to work the most brutal district in Revachol because he wanted to make a difference.
To be fair we don't really know all that much about Klaasje's life up until the game, and Harry is a fundamentally good person with an astounding track record of fricking up everything around him with good intentions. I'd say they are pretty similar.
Not remotely. Klaasje has spent her life working as a spy and destroying people's lives for company profit. The whole reason Harry became such a monstrous frick up is that he cared too much and tried too hard to serve Jamrock, Revachol, and its citizens. Klaasje's two acts of "goodness" are calling the cops after orchestrating a fake lynching that put the lives of countless people in jeopardy just to save herself, and giving Harry a hint to the real killer's location AFTER the bloodbath of the tribunal when it's too late to actually save anyone.
They are bothing running from their past that is catching up to them, and that's about all they have in common.
>she'd be in jail for a crime she didn't commit
She could have also fricked off, instead she stayed and went from ankle deep to knee deep by making a murder looks like a political lynching, and got people killed as a result, it's on her.
>a random sniper shot him while we were fricking
Yes because obviously there's no proof she didn't do it, like a clear lack of rifle or her window having a fricking bullet hole
Covering up a murder does not make her a murderer, instead she sparks a series of events that leave a bunch of men dead in the street, and all for nothing as none of them had any actual relevance to the murderer.
Again, the Hardies were taking the fall for her on all sides just for her to bail on them at every chance, and is lying constantly even to Harry despite calling him there well after the murder (resulting in even more chaos). She had no allegiance to just about anyone but herself.
You can't blame the actions of others entirely on one person. And if you can, why is she being blamed when she is only acting in reaction to the murderer, the one who actually committed a crime. Klaasje put nothing "into motion" it was already well into motion by the time she was even involved.
>by the time she was even involved
What a nonsensical fricking statement. She was "involved" the moment the bullet hit Lely.
Do you not understand she was the "first person on the scene" and deliberately involved everyone else in the cover up the moment she got her wits together?
Do you understand that any cop other than Harry would have arrested her because of the crazy circumstances of the murder? Its only because she got lucky that the one person crazy enough to actually chase every lead showed up that she's not rotting in jail, or dead, for a crime she didn't commit. No shit she tried to cover it up
You mean the circumstances that are crazy because of her actions in the coverup? A sniper shooting a mercenary is definitely a story, but not as much as him being shot and necked in broad daylight for raping a woman, said story only brings even more attention to her by the way, which you'd think she would be trying to avoid if she was a spook.
No I mean the literal "No officer I can't explain why this man's head exploded why we were fricking I can only promise I didn't do it" circumstances. That's the entire reason the Hardies took the blame, because a lynching is both more logical and impossible to pin on one person. Klaasje literally could not defend herself legally if the police were unwilling to do the proper legwork.
Tampering with a crime scene like that is obstruction of justice. It is an actual crime, just as much as the actual murder is. It makes her complicit.
She only fails because you're a god. She runs circles around everyone else.
You fricking moron, the whole reason the mercs suit up to kill everyone is because they think lely got LYNCHED because he was HUNG FROM A TREE. Why was he hung from a tree? Because the conniving b***h wanted it. She's directly responsible for the entire tribunal, had she not orchestrated the cover up to direct the mercs to thinking the hardies killed the guy instead of her, the entire thing wouldn't have happened. It's all in service of her since trying to say the deserter killed him is way less plausible than the immediate suspicion that would have come up if they learned the truth, that she just shot him while he fricked her.
Evart ordered the lynching, not Klaasje.
She hangs his body in the shower stall to induce lividity before evrart even hears about the shooting.
>Evart ordered the lynching, not Klaasje.
The fact she was already setting up the body to make it look like it got hanged before the Hardies arrived prove the contrary
She did that because she thought she was alone versus the world, the idea she intentionally got the tribunal to try to kill people doesn't make sense, unless you believe she's playing 6D chess and is actually working for the moralintern to destroy the union.
The tribunal was to the union's benefit, and also most people aren't saying that she deliberately got them killed - they're saying that she knew they would be targeted by the mercs and she did it anyway because she literally has no inherent value for human lives. The only things she values are herself and the things she actively chooses to assign value to, like Lely.
Nobody said anything about her trying to get people killed on purpose. She did get people killed because she tried to turn a murder into a political lynching.
Tempering with evidences is already dubious, but getting people killed, even by accident, while doing so is just being a shitty person.
Just because you're driving away from danger doesn't mean going out of your way to run over pedestrians is justified.
I agree, by the time you even have the option to arrest her the actual "crime" in question feels so irrelevant that it feels pointless to even bother with procedure. Regardless of who she is or what she did, she didn't kill the man the in tree, and Harry probably wouldn't give a frick about making a big deal about anything else. The real problems of Revachol can't be solved by arresting everyone who lies to you, unless you want to try and arrest the entire city. Best to just let it go and find another way.
>the actual "crime" in question feels so irrelevant
She interfered with a fricking murder investigation and in doing so condemned a group of men to be gunned down by psycopathic mercenaries. The ONLY reason anyone in the RCM cares about the case is because it has the potential to spiral massively out of control and turn into a bloodbath bigger than the Tribunal. And the only reason it's that bad is because she tried to cover it up.
>condemned a group of men to be gunned down
They chose to collude for her sake and to advance the interests of Evrart.
While they were doing it of their own choice, she still orchestrated it and was the one who planned the whole thing.
Evart was going to use the death one way or another, and the Hardies went to bat for her of their own free will. She didn't pull the trigger, she didn't commit a crime beyond "lie to the cops" which literally everyone in the game does to one degree or another.
>someone killed herself because of her
When tf was this stated?
she straight up tells you after confessing to espionage
might require a passive check
>given how corrupt the Moralinterns are?
Absolutely false! All actions taken by the personnel associated with the Moralintern is guided by the principle of responsabilité.
pretty gay, all action should be guided by the free market.
She broke the law, you arrest her. You don't philosophize or moralgay about it, you do your job by detaining her, finishing your investigation, and sending her to jail or letting her go after a trial.
That's not my Harry.
No, I'm a superstar cop who plays by the rulebook of Disco.
even real life cops are more discerning than that dude. you think people deserve a $50 ticket for going 5 over the speed limit?
forgot to add that you should check this one out, law-anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
sometimes following the rule of law is a perversion of justice
Yes, the jury decides, not the police.
A cop is obliged to enforce bad laws.
She was willing to throw Ruby under the bus, someone who won't even pick flowers because it makes her feel guilty. So she can get fricked.
Black person i cant even get my necktie down
Kill mesques. Behead mesques. Roundhouse kick mesques into the concrete. Slam dunk mesque babies into the trashcan. Crucify filthy mesques. Defecate in mesque food. Launch mesques into the Pale. Stir fry mesques in a wok. Toss mesques into active volcanoes. Urinate into mesques' gas tanks. Judo throw mesques into a wood chipper. Twist mesques heads off. Report mesques to the Moralintern. Karate chop mesques in half. Curb stomp mesques. Trap mesques in quicksand. Crush mesques in the trash compactor. Liquefy mesques in a vat of acid. Eat mesques. Dissect mesques. Exterminate mesques in the gas chamber. Stomp mesque skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate mesques in the oven. Lobotomize mesques. Mandatory abortions for mesques. Grind mesque fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown mesques in fried chicken grease. Vaporize mesques with a ray gun. Kick old mesques down the stairs. Feed mesques to alligators. Slice mesques with a katana. Toss mesques into a huge meat grinder. Rip mesques in half with a chainsaw. Grind mesque fetuses into blenders. Feed mesques to bloodthirsty cheetahs. Skin mesques alive. Char mesques with a flamethrower.
The whole world is a zone of imminent entroponetic catastrophe.
>Rebuilding Harry's life piece by piece
So far this is much more interesting to me than the actual case. I want Harry to make it. Volition and Esprit de Corps have been great so far.
>got moralist and worlds more boring centrist for doing the most normal responses on my first playthough
I honestly just wanted Harry to get his shit together
>So far this is much more interesting to me than the actual case. I want Harry to make it.
Then you understand the actual conceit of the game and you will find the ending of the case gigakino.
I spent literally a half hour weighing the pros and cons of arresting her. In the end, I gave her the paper, in the hopes that leaving her there would lead to something interesting plotwise. Then she just bolts. Arrested the frick out of her on my second playthrough, then my boy Shivers gave me the good news at the end.
yeah I let her go but quickly regretted it
Spies are sent to the gulags comrade capitalist.
No because I thought something would happen. Learned my lesson and whenever I decide to play it again I will hate and seek to make every woman's life awful
Why must every thread have to a political spin? Ashley and Harry heavy on bed breathing scream in hard sweat mouth legs up passion hot pleasure faint.
Didn't get me anything and frick the external states anyway. Granted it's fricking moronic that the game stops me from noticing that the shot definitely came from the area I know it did until after the tribunal.
Frick you, Ganker
That's a tulpa get out of here
where my visual calculus homies at
Har, har!
[Trivial: Success] Shut up. Nerd.
I never saw this. I sometimes wonder if there's some line of dialogue that no one has found yet because what you need to do is so specific.
I saw it in my recent 2 playthroughs, didn't really bother to do anything special for it. Then realized it has a 1% achievement rate on GOG.
He is.
I dont remember this convo and I did the homosexual underground quest
He kinda makes fun of you but I let it slide because kim is based!
they call him "pinball" for a reason after all
Most earned gay reveal in the industry.
you need to pass the empathy check when telling the widow her husband died on the promenade and have a vc >8, i think most of the stuff can be found by just doing a max all stats run
also frick that bunker door at the church i savescummed for half an hour before i looked it up
>doing a max all stats run
How can you do that? Is there a NG+?
nah just cheating up all the stats if you don't feel like replaying it 50 times to see everything it has to offer
How do I do that?
cheat engine does it
Save edit
Recommend after first plauthrough
Everything that's bad for coalition shits is good in my book, so I let her go just for that.
Mr. Ervart is helping me find my gun.
>DETECTIVE
>ARRIVING
>ON THE SCENE
disco elysium's skills are a really cool concept and it's a shame there aren't more fanworks taking the idea and placing it in other games
Because they were made with Harry in mind, wouldn't make sense to extrapolate them onto other games. But what RPG creators should do is learn from DE by making skills interesting again!
doesn't everyone have conversations in their head
Harry isn't an empty slate you get to completely define, only to a degree. Should you put the Thought Cabinet into Bloodlines or Fallout games, even in shit like Skyrim, it wouldn't work because it wasn't made for such approaches to PC in mind. They're an extension of Harry and they know Harry, but they don't know the empty slate and what he did 5 years ago because that's on you to answer, not on the Thought Cabinet to illuminate for you.
Do you understand?
uh anon thats not what i was asking
No, and it's even talked about ingame how Kim doesn't have blips and blops in his head but does it with pen and paper, writing down thoughts and suggestions.
Kim is gay and autistic, of course he lacks proper conceptualization skills
The lieutenant's conceptualization skills are rather rudimentary.
But his Authority is something to behold
He mostly just minmaxed his Espirit du Corps and logic.
Those would definitely be high for him too but I think the game even explicitly mentions that his authority skill during the whole 'tell me a secret' exchange
*that his authority skill is incredible
>Because they were made with Harry in mind
that's why you invent different skills while keeping the same concept
No, it doesn't work because the skills act on the knowledge they have of Harry prior to you taking control over the character.
I think he means you could make new skills that work in the same way of voices in your head that argue. If it'd be for something like a fallout protag they'd clearly be different, probably based on SPECIAL archetypes and thus less of them. You can have them know about the MC instead of Harry.
so? that only means it doesn't work for complete blank slates
Which sort of defeats the purpose of putting a system akin to it in games with such characters.
Which is something mods can't do justice to, you need incorporate such a system at the start of the creative process to reap the full benefits of it and what it can do for the player.
>Which sort of defeats the purpose of putting a system akin to it in games with such characters.
which is why i didn't suggest doing it
>Which is something mods can't do justice to, you need incorporate such a system at the start of the creative process to reap the full benefits of it and what it can do for the player.
which is why i suggested it as a fun thing for fans to do to explore characters
>which is why i suggested it as a fun thing for fans to do to explore characters
Fans aren't the writers and should not do that. But, as I said, more RPG games should learn from DE and revitalize their stale skills and dialogue systems.
>Fans aren't the writers and should not do that
frick off autist
How's that a statement that qualifies me as "autistic" in your eyes?
>fans can't examine characters, only corpo approved writers can do that
sounds pretty autistic to me
Nah, you just have a problem reading things. I said fans aren't writers and shouldn't tamper with writing, you twisted it into a strawman of your choosing because you think actual disorders make for fun internet insults.
who the frick decides who is a "writer"?
The people who wrote the game are the writers, fans are fans, they have no right to tamper with the creation of others.
Wow, you really are autistic.
Is everything your dense mind doesn't understand autism to you?
Saying fans have no right to tamper with the creation of others is literally autism albeitever.
It's not, why should the fans tamper with something that is not theirs?
See what I mean?
That's not autism, though. Why should fans have to do with anything concerning writing? Mods with QOL features are good, but tampering with the script is just too much for my taste.
>Why should fans have to do with anything concerning writing?
Why shouldn't they?
If they knew how to write, they wouldn't be the players, they would have been writers. That's why.
You see a person holding a differing view on a topic and automatically resort to labeling it as autism? You have issues, dude.
No, I see a dude displaying clear autism.
>If they knew how to write, they wouldn't be the players, they would have been writers. That's why.
Who cares if they know how to write? You're not obligated to play someone's fanfiction mod, it has no effect on you whatsoever.
It doesn't, but making a romcom mod for DE with Harry and Kim being in love really adds nothing to it, neither does copying the Thought Cabinet and putting it into a Fallout game. I am allowed to criticize such practices, as they're allowed to create such mods. Where's the problem?
If someone's making it it must add something to it for them. You're not criticizing you're saying people shouldn't write fanfiction.
They shouldn't, fanfiction is a silly concept with no right of existing in the first place.
>right
What right does something need to exist?
People can make what they want, just because you don't like it doesn't mean you get to dictate it can't be made.
I am not dictating what they can and can do, simply giving my negative stance on it. Why you're so fixated on my dislike towards such practices is beyond me and appears to be a (You) problem.
You are saying it shouldn't exist thus people should stop making it, that's dictating what people should do.
No, I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I am not forbidding anyone to make whatever mods they want, but you are asserting I am. Just take a chill pill and focus on other posts ITT and pretend like this convo is over.
>I am not forbidding anyone to make whatever mods they want
>
>Fans aren't the writers and should not do that
> I said fans aren't writers and shouldn't tamper with writing
>The people who wrote the game are the writers, fans are fans, they have no right to tamper with the creation of others.
Those are my personal opinions, not official rulings on the matter. Are you the autistic one here?
>not official rulings on the matter
You genuinely are autistic if you think me saying you're "dictating" is saying that you're in any official capacity actively stopping people from making fanfiction mods.
You are saying that people should not make things that harm no one and have no effect on yourself, you're an ass.
I, perhaps, am an ass, and you're the guy who thought that Ghoul in the fridge quest from Fallout 4 was fun and harmed no one.
>it's too much for my taste so nobody should like it or do it
See what I mean?
Robert Kurvitz has encouraged developers numerous times to literally steal the skill system from DE, just lift it from that game and make no changes, he's all for that.
Not really what the conversation was about, though. Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm all for games taking inspiration from DE's way of doing skills and dialogue, it feels fresh, innovative and actually interesting. Most CRPGs appear stale in that regard, just look at Pillars. I just don't like the idea of modding a Thought Cabinet into games where it wouldn't fit. Why this has had such a long replychain is beyond me.
Clam Man 2 clearly takes inspiration, but it's not really the same. You do have an inner voice, but it's not individual skills talking to you and you don't have the same kind of back and forth interactions with your inner voice that you do in Disco Elysium.
I let her go then immediately regretted it and was played, fricking loved it. Sorry inland empire drug/alcohol free cop, best buds with Kim, all side quests. 10/10 experience.
Absolutely. Failure to report a crime and lying to a police officer are both crimes. Not to mention criminal damage to the Whirling in Rags telephone line.
*Slams my fist into her door*
Fricking prostitute!!
of course, nothing good comes from a woman like that
t. harry du bois, thot patrol
Remind me again, Ganker- who's helping Harry find his gun?
Evert
wiener carousel
>fricks a mercenary chud
>wont frick me
into prison she goes!
you WILL wear the pissgay jacket.
I'm gay IRL so she didn't work on me.
so is Kim but volition tells you he's not as decive as he usually is and could be compromised to. this b***hes manipulativeness doesn't care about your sexual orientation
I tried to frick her. She said no ofc. I reloaded once she declined again and I uninstalled
>You did arrest this lying prostitute, right anon?
No, frick giving moralintern glowBlack folk anything
>Hey, hey, slow your roll. This lady did screw over some pretty strong businessman, so let's not do an enemy-of-my-enemy here.
I let her go because her crime was not proportional to what would've been her punishment
>be a spy
>get caught because you are moronic enough to get involved with some unrelated crime
>get fricked by the people you fricked when they get their hands on you
jeez who would have guessed
>incel thinks someone having sex is moronic
Who would've guessed
>s-she was just having sex dood, i-it's not like she obstructed police investigations from day one so she could get the frick out asap before she gets roped for corporate espionage
Absolute fricking idiot, you can get gassed along with her.
Didn't she get several innocent people killed? frick her.
Of course not, I'm not Moralintern's stooge, why the frick would I arrest people Moralintern doesn't like? Welcome to Revachol.
/v/, what is Endurance telling you in the finale of the fascist quest? It was a lot of text, and I understood individual ideas, but I didn't understand where it was going, or what it was trying to communicate.
Lying prostitutes get the rope.
Don't arrest her. She's needed by Revachol for Le Retour. If she's arrested, she dies. The city speaks these truths.
Is Kim actually gay or is that just a meme
Hes actually gay, he says so himself. There is no meme.
If you internalize the Homo-sexual Underground thought you can ask him and he basically calls you a moron for wasting 8 hours obsessing over gays and admits to you he's gay so you won't waste another 8
No because I want to see her in the sequel.
>sequel
Anon I dont know how to tell you this...
Can somebody post this image with a lot of new fanmade skills?
this. i saw that in de thread but i didnt save it
>theres 3 moralist characters in the game and all are gay
what did zaum mean by this
>the only "real" communist is a triggerhappy incel
really makes you think
>3/4ths of the fascists we meet in-game are incels who use their ideology as a coping mechanism
Seems like it's true what they say: everybody gets shat on in this game even if the devs are marxists. Well, *almost* everybody. Meanwhile Ultraliberals get based street peddlers, Megarich Light-Bending Guy, and motherfricking Joyce. Hustlechads, can we even stop winning?
>Everyone whining and moaning about their political struggles
>meanwhile hustlechads get an actual art degree a pretty dope street lantern and a frickton of money, all absolutely taxfree
the free market is the true god that guides us
>it's a loss for the potential further development of this style of RPG.
If anything its going to encourage more.
Ultraliberals were pretty clearly painted as the ultimate evil, the wienerroaches and snakes thriving off the chaos while everyone else dies for some ideals or morals, or survives under the boot.
>thriving off the chaos while everyone else dies for some ideals or morals, or survives under the boot
which is pretty based
Whatever you say George.
Well yes but Joyce is such a great conversationalist man
I can't agree, the ultraliberals have by far the most comic element to them, they are like this absurd force in life. And although Joyce calls herself an ultraliberal, her dialogue makes it extremely clear she's a defeated revolutionary who's just surviving at this point. It's also telling that the ultraliberal score is separate from other ideologies and describes a behavior more than a worldview.
I think the game is most spiteful of moralism because that's closest to what we live under and what most people unconsciously believe. The "kingdom of conscience" as the game calls it. The price stabilité guy is by far the most ominous and unambiguously unsavory character in the game.
Is the game's description of fascists really so wrong in context though? Remember that the ideologies as described in Harry's mind are what a broken man filling the hole in his heart imagines those ideologies to be.
>Communism - grind up the 'enemy' (everyone) into paste until problems go away
>Fascism - subjugate women so you & society will be healed from their degeneracy
>Moralism - Trust the plan
The incel community and various other woman haters are heavily aligned with right-wing spaces online. And after what Harry went through, him becoming MGTOW and by extension reactionary makes a lot of sense to me.
I agree with you that all of Harrier's potential ideologies are meant to be copes, hastily adopted by Harrier and shallowly-understood, but I don't know why you'd signal out Ultraliberalism of all things as some non-ideological exception to the rule, especially when one of Harrier's insecurities relating to Dora is that she left him because he was a *poor frick*. Ultraliberal Harry is chasing the bag because he believes that if he makes it big he won't lose anything or anyone anymore, boiling all his problems in life down to his bank account when really we all know that what happened between him and Dora was probably deeper than that.
I also don't know if Joyce was ever a sincere revolutionary. If anything the way I remember it she was born rich and slummed it in Revachol as a passtime during her disco years, but I don't think she ever aligned herself with the communards beyond superficial, aesthetic stuff. At most she understands Communist critiques of capitalism but cynically turns a blind eye because looking at it pragmatically she's the top dog and it makes no sense to throw that all away now. She even kinda treats capitalism as inevitable, she says: "all attempts to critique capital ultimately end up reinforcing it" or something like that.
>I think the game is most spiteful of moralism because that's closest to what we live under and what most people unconsciously believe. The "kingdom of conscience" as the game calls it. The price stabilité guy is by far the most ominous and unambiguously unsavory character in the game.
I find it really hilarious because I unironically subscribe to the line of thought presented by the moralism in the game. It's shit but that's the best we can manage, it's the only viable and sustainable system.
The ultraliberals are simply the apex predators of any organized civilization. Their ideal is wealth and their morals are the free market. They excel when given the slightest room to breathe and ruthlessly stomp on the head on anything that could rise up against them, which is what any other ideology would do if they had even half the ultraliberal's efficacy. The faces and names change, but the market goes on, the count only goes up. You can hang the bankers but there will always be another bank.
The game was never politically balanced. They are all strawmanned to be politically shit to be on the same level as the Commies.
>tfw killed most of the Hardee Boys during the shootout
Damn, how do I save them all?
>Damn, how do I save them all?
You can't save them all. Two of them die even if you play it perfectly, and a third also dies if he doesn't run away before the fight.
Actaully, I take that back. I think three of them die no matter what, and Shanky dies if he doesn't run.
every time, and i made sure that the moralintern got the chance to liquefy her corpse in acid and wipe her existence utterly from the face of the isolas
If I played the game on release, is the update that they did worth a replay? Or did it not add all that much?
It adds quite a bit, replay it.
i have no idea how people tolerated the game before full voice acting was added. It's the difference between a 6/10 slog and a 10/10 experience
The new voice acting was a big turn off for me at first.
Also bring back old cuno.
What do you mean by old cuno?
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I don't give a frick about voice acting as long as it's not bad. Even if only a few sentences here and there are VA'd I'm fine with it.
i only played the final cut, was it that bad before?
entirely up to if you like reading or not, I didn't have that anons issue.
I have not touched the game since before the Final Cut update; I cannot imagine listening to every skill and every NPC all of the time.
There were definitely a few duds, but it was good.
I have mixed feelings. Part of me liked reading most of the dialogue, part of me feels that the world is more alive with everything being voiced.
I and hopefully everyone here can read far faster than the narration in either version, so it really just ended up being unnecessary for me. I let some lines play out though, since they were well suited for the VA work.
I'll wait to hear if it comes even close to the original and if it does (not likely imo) I'll play it.
Daily reminder that we're never going to get Disco Elysium 2 because of the batshit insane drama going on between the ZAUM devs and the original creators
PS: I want to make frick with you
long accelerated descent?
Good. Maybe everything doesn't need to become a zombie franchise milked for money long after it had anything worth saying.
It's not like a sequel is necessarily going to be less creative than it's predecessor, especially in games where often an IP is a collection of consistent mechanics and themes rather than a coherent setting and/or story. While I'd like to see more of the setting, the loss of ZAUM is more than just a loss of some fantasy universe, it's a loss for the potential further development of this style of RPG.
Elysium has so much worth saying. The world is literally over a decade in the making. The glimpse we got in Disco is so small, so tiny. The original idea for Disco was ginormous, so much bigger than what we got. There's so much left to do in this world.
Hell, DE isn't even the first commercial piece of art made in the world of Elysium. First there was the novel, Sacred and Terrible air, which was written well before DE and has nothing to do with DE's characters or story, but is set in the world of Elysium.
>ignoring that it was a homebrew tabletop pen and paper RPG before it was a novel
Kurvitz' stated end goal was only earning enough to make a true, standalone tabletop game out of it, after all
I hate women.
DISCO prostituteS
jeez i lost my gun, i sure would love if there was anyone who could help me find it
No. I work for Revachol, not the moralintern.
Yes. My boy Volition had my back
no, i'm not a cuck. i'll hurt the coalition any chance i get.
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youre looking at "page" moron
not sure if bait or genuinly moronic but heres your (you)
Nah, it looks like the schizo is on vacation.
>LOGIC [Easy: Failure] — Oh yeah, it's all coming together.
beat me to it
it's 204 responses and 35 posters
>36 responses
>87 posters
why do i keep seeing homosexuals make posts about posters and the amount of replies? this is the fourth time
They want to make some asinine point about a game's popularity and/or the desperation of its fanbase to keep a discussion going
Frick you nerd, she deserves better.
I pumped up my Volition as high as possible so I had the whole "your skills are lying to you" thing. From that point one I shat on her as hard as possible.
So yes. I hope the prostitute gets raped by a black supremacist in prison.
Never trust a character voiced by a broad with fetal alcohol syndrome that's sucked and fricked 100 guys
Nope, she played me like a damn fiddle.
>that final dream sequence
Not gonna lie, that really got to me. It did a fantastic job of showing the kind of hopelessness a man would have to go through to want to drink until his mind is gone
Nah didn't care
No way.
>Gets replaced in Disco Elysium
>Gets fired from Succession
Dashabros...
Well she was dogshit in Succession. But I thought she was great in Disco Elysium, since she's basically playing herself and it was just VO work.
Dasha cannot act in front of a camera lmao.
Pajeet fricker.
That is all.
>1 post
>209 unique IPs
While unfortunately, arresting her will lead to her getting iced, it is still the right thing to do. In the context of the case, she has lied repeatedly to get herself out of trouble, and continues to lie even after being confronted about it and confessing to it. Harry has no reason to believe her when she says "If I get arrested I will be killed." Because what if it's another lie of hers to get herself out of trouble again?
Her story is tragic, but it is of no one's fault but her own. Lying only gets you so far.
Kami game
Should I play this game?
Imagine if leaving las vegas was a video game, but nic cage was a slav in a fantasy world and a washed up cop.
>was a slav
>slav
>he thinks revashol is even close to being slavic in nature
Only a slav could drink like harry.
a superstar can also drink like that
Yeah, one with an improbably amount of z's and k's in their last name.
Du Bois is tragically french as hell
The irish
Slavs and the I*ish have weaker alcohol tolerance. They can drink a lot but they can't outdrink Germanics, Nordics and maybe even Latins.
Yes. Ignore the guy after me who says no, he's an idiot.
Yes. You play as a detective trying to solve a murder, but the real fun is trying to unravel yourself and the world around you
You will definitely know if you are going to like or dislike the game within the first hour. If you end up being miserable the first hour, refund it. Otherwise, play on.
just don't take any of the politics too seriously, everybody gets shit on in that game
yes but ONLY while massively intoxicated, in the dark, with tons of comfort food etc.
this is a game where the difference between a 1/10 and a 10/10 experience is solely in what state youre playing in
yeah, it's a ride and a half
i bought the little figure but it didn't win her back bros....
shoulda got the right one idiot
the headless one is objectively the coolest one and therefore the correct one
Fascist Harry stops the nuke
Remain sober
Be racist but not advanced
Be sexist but not extreme
Be a good cop
Just kiss her, Harry. Cup her face plant a big wet one on her. Trust me, she'll love it.
When I first played the game I let her go but now I wouldn't.
Would he make a good addition to the RCP?
Why is this the only game on Ganker you can discuss earnestly and both enjoy together and civilly disagree about?
h-haha yea
>civilly disagree about
DE threads are a coinflip on whether you get great discussion or COMMIECOMMIECOMMIE
It's not? I guess if you ignore the schizos but that applies to everything. Disco threads are far and away some of the most serially-derailed and schizo-infested ones on the whole goddamn board. We're just having a good day but if you've been on these threads since release then you know what I'm talking about.
it's as
says, threads like these are a coinflip
She played me like a fiddle on my first run. I was full sorry cop complete with a sense of trying to right my wrongs, trying to hear every side of every argument and interview, learning more of the world. I went Moralist because I backed down from the others, I became more in tune with inland empire and the wider world as the game progressed. I slept at the bunker and had that dream. I spoke to the phasmid. It was a painful but magical journey with an optimistic end.
I will never play Disco Elysium for the first time ever again. None of us will and that is OK.
>I will never play Disco Elysium for the first time ever again. None of us will and that is OK.
No- it's not 'okay'.
On my first playthrough I foolishly chose not to take the first shot at the Tribunal (despite the game repeatedly hammering it through my lead-plated skull that there's *no way* to resolve this peacefully) and the ensuing massacre is the only time that a game has made me feel like genuine shit. I wish I could turn back time and tell myself to take the shot, I had a decent chance at success too god FRICKING DAMN IT
I don't even like the Hardy boys I just feel like I'm such an indecisive frick that it even extends to my Harry
I arrested her but not because she lied to me, but for being a hybristophilic b***h
Favorite thought?
>Problem
Finger on the Eject Button
>Solution
Rigorous Self-Critique
>All the gifts your parents gave you, all the love and patience of your friends, you drowned in a neurotoxin. You let misery win. And it will keep on winning till you die -- or overcome it.
Exactly.
I love that solution along with The Precarious World
>You can either play or you can crawl under a boat and waste away -- turn into salt or a flock of seagulls. Your enemies would *love* that. Or you can fight. The only way to load the dice is to keep on fighting.
Thoughts that keep pushing Harry to overcome his shit are the best
Yeah that's another good one. Beyond the 'get your shit together Harry' ones- of which there are a lot- my honorable mention goes to King of Conscience solution for being the most menacing passage in the game.
There is literally nothing wrong with a few airships hanging around to keep the peace
>Conversation with Coalition Airship Archer is framed like a Mystical Experience because that's just how mind-hemorrhagingly sovereign and omnipotent Moralintern has become
kino
>using spreadsheets to predict the future
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
>moralitern glowBlack folk make harry disappear if you tell the airship about hole in reality
spooky
the whole pale lore is amazing, too bad sequel never ever
Between the game being a prequel and the end of the world in 20 years being canonical, the precedent was set for it to be another prequel
DE2 is still being made though
>DE2 is still being made though
Yeah, by a completely different team.
It's literally like amazon is writing the sequel.
I dont think I'll ever be a fan of shaving the side of the head.
Joyce tried to warn us about what capital does
I fricking hate that I'm going to play it and hate it the entire time
>DE without Kurvitz
Impossible, that would be like trying to make VtM Bloodlines 2 without Mitsoda haha
You're thinking of the TV show, which I'm not sure is still being made or not.
Zaum is still doing the sequel, and there are still some people who worked on DE working at ZAUM.
>DE2 is still being made though
What? Since when?
Since the company still exists and is still hiring for a new project
>suggesting my purchasing power and wages should devalue by 2% every year
nah, I think I'm going full gendarme en diamant and putting this skeezy banker frick in the nearest woodchipper
Oh look it’s my Sunday friend
>my honorable mention goes to King of Conscience solution for being the most menacing passage in the game.
It is pretty gross.
>the most menacing passage in the game
please explain how to a brainlet
>The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
It is one of the reasons why I dropped the game. This is their "moderate option".
boo hoo
Unsurprising. A centrist is offended by something so they close their eyes.
Damn you're fricking stupid.
>Centrism is letting commies to whatever they want.
>Fascism is all of the le bad things plus things that commies don't like
>Ultra-Liberal is just the fake alternative to Communism based on the moronic Materialist worldview
>Moralintern is a critique of centrism. If the American Revolutionary war were decided by Moralintern,
A Marxist revisionist view of history used to justify itself.
But who would (you) grind into pigsfeed?
Pedos and commies.
You mean anyone you disagree with and anyone you don't like. Be honest at least here. Those are just labels you pin on whoever you'd want murdered, no trial, no questions asked. Ultimate power.
The anon you're talking to does not have a well interrogated world view. It's pop indoctrination, essentially meme degeneracy.
>Ultra-Liberal is just the fake alternative to Communism based on the moronic Materialist worldview
I don't know. I interpreted it as neoliberalism bordering on libertarianism. It's critique in the game is it's basically a return to feudalism.
nta but I don't really see it as menacing per se, but it is highly accurate. It's exactly the state of our world and the reason why we are currently at the height of human civilization and it's all downhill from here.
I guess that is menacing; I just took it for granted.
It's a stagnant world controlled by faceless bureaucrats under the threat of annihilation from sky
And sea
I read that, but explain for a moron
I interpreted it as
>moralism is pure pragmatism in pursuit of power
>and or perhaps moral relativism?
>regardless, they decide what is right or wrong, and they hold the power
>and or admitting that many are the have nots?
>those in power do not care about those outside it, this is normal
Moralintern is a critique of centrism. If the American Revolutionary war were decided by Moralintern, the British and the colonists would have formed a joint-committee to discuss the terms of taxation that would meet every 3 years, do nothing, congratulate each other on a job well done, and meet again in 3 more years. Meanwhile, the colonists would suffer under the crushing heel of the British monarchy that would extract more and more of their labor and taxes to enrich the Motherland. After a few decades (or centuries), perhaps enough committee meetings would actually result in a productive consensus that would benefit the colonists, but generations of colonists have suffered in that timespan.
Or just have a bloody war and win your freedom, aka the anti-centrist way.
Anon the whole point of the revolutionary war wasn't that the colonist didn't want to pay taxes, but they wanted to be counted as citizens of the empire with representation in parliament so there would be someone representing their interests.
And after you have that bloody war and win the day, your government will form coalitions that will decide how best to tax the country and its population, mostly populated by the wealthy post revolution industrialists, their friends and relatives and you will have the same result in the end.
Imagine if someone put a gun to your head, then said "Is what I'm doing wrong?" The answer is yes, but you cannot say yes, because angering them may lead to your death. So you say no, and accept their domination of you and the reality that they have created where your life and will have no value. That's what the Moralintern is. They have no beliefs, no goals, just the will to force everyone to accept their domination as "normal".
ty
It's also even starker in hindsight once you read the Vaasa chapter from the book.
Is it translated yet?
Now Kurvitz got fired from his own company it's never getting an official English translation
How's the lawsuit going?
This appears to be the latest on it
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/disco-elysium-lawsuit-woes-continue-as-fired-devs-double-down-on-claims-of-fraud-at-studio-zaum
I'm pretty sure kurvitz and co. lost
There's a bunch of complete unofficial ones out there right now. Unfortunately the official translation is dead in the water and likely to stay that way.
>this is how normal people are all the time
>Kurvitz is a recovering alcoholic
used to like my dreams
Stupidly broken with how often Conceptualization chimes in
A lot of the Thought Cabinet hard is literally uninterpretable for me. Some of them are obvious enough- the political ones and Designated Shit Compressor- but most of them read to me as incomphrensible Bosch-esque visual gibberish (not meant to be an insult, I love cool-looking abstract stuff). Did they just have the art guy make the whole spread first and then retroactively assigned thoughts to their respective scenes on the spread or is there a method to this madness?
*thought cabinet ART
god damn it
Sooo am i suppose to know the game you guys are talking about? No one mention it
disco inferno
Sacred and Terrible Air
No Truce with the Furies
Harry Copper and Bottle of Speed
Breakdance Heaven
Ballroom Valhalla
CUNO DOESNT CARE ABOUT YOUR SHIT GAME
CUNO DOES WHAT CUNO WANTS
Its nice how its pseudo canon that Cuno joins up with the precinct even if you don't frick up with Kim. Cuno was a bro in the end
Elaborate please.
Tell me we're going to get another game like this and i'll ignore the fact that the studio imploded because the suits pulled the rug out from under the Art Collective.
>You WILL buy the Disco Elysium breakfast cereal made by Amazon
Did anyone read the book, can anyone explain what the frick it meant, did Khan just forget the girls and so they stopped existing
I think it's rather amusing that Ganker loves this game and also shits on lefties, even though the developers were unabashed leftists. This game was the result of "useless philosophy degrees" made into action.
Don't let Ganker pretend they weren't such righty gays in the mid 2000s
>The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
I can only speak for why I find it unnerving. Essentially, the ideal moralist acknowledges that he is only a hollow automaton- he exists only to be billowed about aimlessly by the winds of history, helpless to resist or change the world in any meaningful way because the path ahead has already been neatly laid out. This ties in deeper to how History and Time in Disco Elysium's world follow a deterministic model, to such an extent that the Innocences can literally pull ideas out of the future and into the present. That's the meaning of 'Innocence': Any decisions the Innocences make are free of all moral responsibility because it was always *going to happen* anyways- it's a historical inevitability.
I find all of this kind of terrifying because it gives a sense of complete helpless and powerlessness in the face of History and its self-appointed arbiters: Moralintern and Innocentric Rule. Like all you as a good moralist can do is 'control yourself', bury your head in the sand, and watch everything play out the only way it ever could. The Coalition are in the clouds with their artillery at the ready but there's no reason to be alarmed because whatever's going to happen was always going to happen anyways. God's in his Heaven, everything is normal here on earth.
Also the book shows how Moralintern's philosophy of Stillness and Control, when taken to its logical conclusion, leads to suicidial nihilism.
Was Volition right?
https://streamable.com/79f3tv
Guys the city just spoke to me. Her voice was kinda hot
What happened with the lawsuits?
>put points into physical
>Harry becomes a racist meathead who beats the shit out of people
>put points into spiritual
>harry becomes a psychic ghost talker
>put points into mental
>harry can deduce who the murderer is in the first 5 minutes
>put points into yellow shit
>nothing really changes at all
Did they just forget to make the yellow skills matter?
Yellow skills are for neo-liberal hustlers
>Did they just forget to make the yellow skills matter?
But what about taxes?
It was apparently added last in development. They also have the least dialogue and personality.
>every single time Klaasje comes up a wave of anons shows up to crown themselves the most compromised
Every playthrough.
Anyone here read the book now that it's translated? I read the first few chapters and put it down, I didn't really like it that much.
I did. I thought it was just alright but the chapter with the Innocence of Nihilism's speech was incredible and gave me goosebumps.
Worth finishing?
It depends on how much you care for the setting of Disco Elysium. If you do- then yes- but if you're more a character-driven guy, then no. There are some interesting plot reveals later on but the characters are more or less who you'd expect them to be.
Alright, thanks. I find the world decently interesting so if I have some spare time I'll finish it.
I want to have frick with her so bad bros
I unironically love this cosplay
No, because I was moronic enough to assume the two frickups who claim I'm a frickup in the lobby would do their jobs as undercover COPS and stop the felon from skipping town. I guess they were right in the end, and they just had to be moronic to prove it; what a world. I didn't even need her help to figure it out either, so it was just left with nothing to show for it.
Wait guys why are you talking about this game, isn't this a woke goyslop made by trannies
People actually liked this pretentious “game”?
Could she have at least sucked me off before she left.
>he didn't Have Frick With Her
It doesn't make sense to arrest her when you're given the opportunity to do so. It's only after she's gone that you learn the depth of her cruelty.
The only thing you learn after you're given the choice to arrest her is that she lied yet again about her real ID being in a safe place by the fishing village
No, you learn that she framed Ruby and that Klaasje masterminded the lynching and knowingly put a target on the backs of the Hardy Boys. It's the most damning thing she does.
The evidence is already starting to mount that Ruby had nothing to do with it by the time you finally decide to go find her and it's a crying shame that Volition calling the others out for STILL being compromised and hyperfixating on Ruby now because it puts Klaasje in the clear is such a hard dialogue to trigger.
Klaasje is an enemy of the Moralintern
Evrart is an enemy of the Moralintern
Evrart is buds with Dros
Evrart wanted the tribunal to happen
Klaasje is a sabatouer
Dros became fixated on Klaasje
I feel like these characters overlap too much, and that there is a nonzero chance that Klaasje did everything she did under Evrart's orders.
>Evrart is buds with Dros
Edgar was the one who met Dros, they met only once and Dros bluntly tells you he looks down on both the fat fricks for being Social Democrats quoting Mazov
it's also likely Evrart just noticed what was happening with Dros, Lely, and Klassje and just let it play out. he's got ears everywhere in Martinaise, and the less involved he is, the better it'd be when the human can opener shows up.
Will you guys play the inevitable sequel?
No, I'll take the money I saved not buying it to purchase a train ticket to London so I can shit directly into the letterbox of their office
I wonder how much of a mess it will be. If Kurvitz and Rostov win their case then what are they to do with the work currently done on the game? Scrap it? Just keep going?
As far as I know there was already a fairly significant amount of work done on starting a sequel before shit fit the fan, so it won't be a complete departure
>Mr Kender is helping me get my company back
Kender's lawsuit failed
Still probably helping behind the scenes.
Or just wallowing over how much of a blubbering idiot he is.
forgot pic lol
I feel Kurvitz has some of that Harry energy in him.
>Walk out of my hotel room in just my underwear
>She comments on it
>Think "Oh wow, cool they wrote in reactions to this? I can't wait to see how other people react!"
>No one else acknowledges it
I think afterward the only person who react to your outfit is Kim
>if you run around with one or no shoes on the first day
>later on at the beach he'll comment on your current outfit
Kim has some reactive dialogue based on your outfit during a dialogue where he talks about possible hobbies for Harry. If you're wearing gardening gloves he'll suggest you take up gardening, and so on.
The little girl at the bookstore has seen you with "party eyes", everyone in Martinaise has come to terms with you being sans attire
there's also a negative modifier for wearing one shoe
the sequel will be fine as long as you don't play a woman and it's not filled with "umm actually liberals are RIGHT" and communism getting all the actual content.
>as long as you don't play a woman
Pretty sure the original idea was to play as a preggo woman tho
lol, won't be playing then. female protagonist = dogshit
You just sound like an incel.
I am, and I won't be playing a woman, let alone a prostitute who's pregnant! Sorry chud.
Honestly I don't care if we play as a man, woman, Black person, or a dog as long as the character is as interesting as Harry
it is impossible to make a female character as interesting as Harry, how is a pregnant woman going to go on drug binges, wreck a car, and dropkick a giant black guy?
A pregnant woman could and should do all of those things. Kino in the making.
I feel she'd work as an opposite of Harry, being the woman claiming she can do anything, doesn't need no man, etc... But failing miserably and coming up to term with the fact that she's not a superhero, that she's even limited by carrying a kid and that she actually needs help.
well the real reason why harry was such a good protagonist is because he is full of flaws and is all the more relatable for it
Liberals and communists aren't the same thing, you fricking moron.
I heard somewhere that the sequel might have you playing as a pregnant woman.
You can be mad about that but I'm hopeful for pregnant schizo kino where your unborn child tells you to get an abortion or some shit.
i would rather not have Amnesia: Rebirth in text form
Klaasje reminds me of the Casey Anthony case.
>kid dies presumably from an accident
>mother (casey) starts immediately covering everything up
>lies to her family first to build up a false story about a kidnapping
>only calls the police days after the fact
>initially the kidnapping story is sold to the police but it's quickly dropped
>keeps lying to them and sending them on a truffle hunt across the state
>all for seemingly no reason as her daughter's death is perfectly explainable as an accident, but it would bring attention to what a terrible mother she was and so she covered her ass at all costs
It's textbook sociopath behavior. Pretty well written.
Why do people simp so unbelievably hard for Klaasje? Most femme fatales are appreciated for their ruthlessness but Klaasjegays literally break their bones bending and contorting to insist that she's actually a really great person and just maybe made a couple forgivable mistakes out of desperation.
>Why do people simp so unbelievably hard for Klaasje?
compromised
i just don't think she's as primevally evil as a lot of anons like to act like she is in comparison to the other actors during the case. in fact, I think Volition is compromised too, because of Harry's ex. Volition is trying to overcompensate against all of his other skills to protect Harry from being hurt by a woman again, which is why Volition gets incredibly insistent on arresting Klaasje, even uncharacteristically getting mad at Harry for not arresting her when you leave the Whrirling.
She is cold and ruthless and she finds amusement in stories of third worlders of questionable age being raped, tortured, and murdered. Call her what you want, but if that sounds like a decent person to you then you are severely compromised.
There may be a glimmer of a decent person somewhere inside of her, but there's a glimmer of a decent person in ALL people. You are setting the bar underground so that you can venerate your waifu/troonysona.
cold and ruthless? not especially. Ruud is cold and ruthless, Korty has some good stories on what cold and ruthless looks like. and if finding humor in dark places is all it took to make someone a bad person, then Harry, me, you, and the majority of Ganker posters are devils.
No, the mercs aren't cold and ruthless. They are psychotic murderers and rapists.
>literally getting sexually aroused and emotionally excited by a literal murderer and rapist describing the murder and rape of his real victims in graphic detail
>comparable to laughing at anonymous nerds using no-no words to tell a joke
If you're on /b/ and /gif/ beating it to gore threads, then you are a special breed, and it explains a lot about your soft spot for Klaasje.
two broken people bonding by finding a common ground and attraction to each other over their laments of their past and coping with humor does not equate jerking off to actual gore and rape, much less going out and doing it, like someone like Ruud ACTUALLY did.
Why are you reaching out to Ruud like Lely didn't also do those things? Why do you keep trying to pull away from the text as written, which explicitly talks about Klaasje being turned on by Lely's stories? Why are you presenting Lely's stories as "laments of his past" when he is explicitly bragging about everything he did?
If you want to write fanfiction then more power to you, but your headcannon is contradicted by the game as written.
because just talking to Korty after showing him Lely's dead body, getting him to talk about his experience pretty blatantly shows how traumatizing it was for him, and I got the sense that it wasn't very different for Lely. it didn't come off as bragging to me, and whether or not it was the content of the story that turned Klassje on, or how broken and relatable Lely was to her is up in the air. i'll admit, though, it's been a while since i've last played, so maybe i'm missing some important detail that actually paints them as real psychopaths in their dialogue. i've been convinced to do another playthrough, just to be certain.
(nta)
I will be honest that I don't have the clearest recollection, but I definitely don't remember the tape being "people in my unit were raping and murdering the random villagers and I had to just look the other way" but rather "we/I" and also referring to them as "loincloths". I mean if that profoundly disturbing tape was supposed to be a man using false bravado to cover up trauma of recalling atrocities that he wanted to but couldn't prevent, that would be... Remarkably subtle, like unreasonably so.
much as I've been enjoying the discussion the thread's about to die, so, I'll just ask this
what kinda cop should I be this time?
You can't do the things they did and not be psychopaths. Maybe at some point in their lives they were decent, promising children, but that day is decades gone.
DE attempts to rationalize and even humanize all of its characters and all of its ideologies - even Measurehead - but it also makes the point that just because you can rationalize something doesn't make it any less abhorrent. A lot of really horrible things "make sense." I think Klaasje and the mercs are tragic characters because they are victims of the world and its cruelty, but they are responsible for all of their actions.
this is Dora Ingerlund, Harry's ex-wife
say something nice about her, and if you think she was right/wrong to leave Harry
she truly is a female.
She was absolutely right to leave Harry because of what a disaster he became, but it is still very sad.
I don't think Klaasje is a true femme fatale because she's not playing Harrier off for some kind of specific monetary goal or such. She's just a complete fricking disaster. She's beyond fatal, she's apocalyptic, and has little motivation to be that way. That lack of material motivation IMO makes it easier to be compromised by her because there's not really a place where her mask falls off and she lunges for the Maltese Falcon. She just doesn't want to die. Instead she forever comes off as "oopsy woopsy I made some frickie wuckies due to my vegana"
>oopsy woopsy I made some frickie wuckies due to my vegana
So an average woman?
That's what I was saying actually, yeah. Countless dudes crumple to women solely off them being women, they don't need to be master manipulators or sociopaths anymore than the average woman so is.
Well no, she fricked up because when she went into industrial espionage with both enough of a conscience to want out and no plan to do that once she wanted out. After that she just hit a harsh burnout and is living on autopilot on savings and self-preservation.
I love this game's art style so much
Rostov still posts art every once in a while and it's still great.
the different aspects of your psyche talking was the only reason Disco Elysium was good, if the sequel is with a different character it won't really make sense for them to ALSO have the same affliction so I can't see the sequel being a success.
I don't see why you couldn't have the same system with a different character. And Kurvitz more or less confirmed that he wanted to make more games with the system when he talked about the untapped potential of it, in particular he wanted to have a sex scene with the skill and dice roll system.
>in particular he wanted to have a sex scene with the skill and dice roll system
I can imagine it
>Rhetoric start talking about communism during foreplay
>Savoir Faire try to rate sex positions according to their tax rating
>Encyclopedia ruins your orgasm by talking about the mating ritual of insects
>sex scene with the skill and dice roll system
He wouldn't even let you jerk off
what triggers this?
Looking at a poster on the outside of the pawn shop with high enough electrochemistry.
because Harry only heard voices because he completely mindbroke himself after ruining everything in his life and getting blackout drunk and high and going on a weeklong rampage
if a woman finds out she's pregnant and starts getting schizo voices it'll be moronic
Considering that even on the best ending, Harry body is pretty fricked up from his destructive lifestyle, I doubt it'd just be an average preggo woman with a good ending.
I assume it'd be something along the line of fricked up woman who also got an unwanted pregnancy and escaped through drugs/alcohol, permanently fricking the baby in the process.
Honestly I never viewed it as literally schizophrenia or anything like that or that Harry has inner voices because he's insane, I'd be willing to accept that other characters have these kinds of voices, maybe it's not tied to schizophrenia but rather is a "special" trait that some people in this world just have. Harry literally hears the spirit of revachol speaking to him and telling him the future. That's not just schizophrenia.
Joyce says Harry doesn't have amnesia, he's just insane and she knows because she's also off her rocket. Trant Heidelstam will also say something similar about Harry cracking up from all the negativity of the world he lives and works in.
I mean yeah he IS insane, I just never assumed that's where the voices came from.
>Trant Heidelstam will also say something similar about Harry cracking up from all the negativity of the world he lives and works in.
Poverty induced amnesia
Why wouldn't it make sense? We all view our lives through a variety of perspectives and lenses. The stats could be applied to anyone.
Fat Angus has a shit-tier Composure stat, for instance.
Harry was a broken wreck of a man with the skills being his way of constructing how he believes a normal human would think and operate, manifesting as literal voices in his head.
It's not impossible, you'd just need a very specific kind of character.
I disagree with that interpretation. I think you could change perspective to any of the characters and have the skill voices make sense as a representation of one's inner world. I don't think they are unique to post-implosion Harry.
The only difference might be that the actual dialogue that the protagonist speaks might be slightly less unhinged. Harry outwardly conversing with the voices in his head is more unique to him, and not every character is going to have the supranatural abilities like Inland Empire and Shivers.
figuring out everyone has voices in their head like Harry would unironically make Harry less interesting retrospectively
Well it's certainly not a common thing based on Kims reaction when you try and tell him about the voices.
It's not that everyone has a myriad of distinct voices in their head. The voices are just a represenation - or they are for most people. Again, the way Harry interacts with the voices may be unique to him.
I also like the idea that there is some in-universe consequence to being the Player Character. Like that's why Harry is the way he is, and that it might even be how Innocences and other supernatural individuals come to be.
I think it could work fine, but there would need to be an almost completely new set of skills tailored to whatever kind of person the new MC is.
EAT THE POOR, YEAH! HARDCORE!