There are some projects which cannot be done by small teams or lone developers.
Even games which are now over a decade (or decades) old, like the 3D Fallouts, WoW, Dark Souls, Metal Gear Solid 2-5, or Mario Galaxy are too large of a task for anyone other than a large team to undergo.
And large teams need a large amount of money, which requires a AAA, corporate set-up to make profitable and feasible.
Sure, for most games we can just play indie stuff. But for some great games, there needs to be a business for it to continue on.
I used to be a conservative, super anti socialist pro free market type of guy.
And while I still don't support socialism, since it's moronic and inefficient, I no longer endorse our current system.
Like everyone is being fricked over just so the few who have money can continue to make more off of destroying business after business.
Who can support this?
It's like that meme with the two Aztec guys looking at a guy having his heart ripped out on an alter. One Aztec man turns to the other and says >It may not be a perfect system, but it's the best one there is
There has to be a better way.
There's a peculiar lack of Dodge v. Ford in this post. I ponder why.
Capitalisms is a great system, but the problem is it requires Government Intervention. You have to do pescribed burns every so often so that wealth doesn't accumulate at the top to the point where it chocks everyone out. Despite that the Libertarians you might see at the circus say, Companies will 100% abuse you more than governments ever will. Like, we have an issue now of whistle blowers of Boeing just mysteriously dying. Or how companies have gone ahead with a product that they knew would kill people but assumed the cost of settlements was less than the profits. Companies actively work to undermined competition by any means necessary. Capitalism requires some competition to work. The problem is our system doesn't do anything to deal with this excess wealth. You have to be willing to break companies up and tax rich people.
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Anonymous
True.
While the power of the free market it great, a truly free market can only come when all businessmen have to play fair.
If given the opportunity, and businessman will try to end competition, because competition is good for everyone except capitalists.
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>but the problem is it requires Government Intervention
this right here.
Honestly, the real problem is with our debt-based economy, and I've been wracking my head for a while now, basically to have your cake and eat it, since what the debt-based economy does well is make it really easy for funds to go from savers to borrowers, OR, for people and firms to finance big capital investments to boost their productivity without having to pay out of pocket. This is the big factor, by the way. I'd argue it's the reason the industrial world could take off the way it did. You would be surprised how good it is when you can enjoy the benefits of a 5 million dollar capital asset for your business without needing to cough up 5 million dollars right there.
Of course, literally everything else about it, debt slavery, rampant inflation, gradual transfer of wealth to the super-elite, ect, is abominable and the main reasons for our society's slow collapse. So, basically the ideal solution would be the one really good thing about a debt economy without the negatives, and with that, I hate to admit I'm stumped.
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Personally I think the west is fine. We're good. We don't need more innovation and expansion, we have more than what we need already.
So frick it, end debt based capitalism and let us retire from competition and enjoy the fruits of the nation's economy
Capitalism is why the AAA industry is dying. The core of capitalism is that you have to make a product that appeals to people to outcompete other people making these same type of products. anti-capitalism systems like stocks prop up these companies despite making bad products, extending their death march.
This
The invisible hand of the market is giving AAA companies a prostate exam because they didn't want to innovate and let themselves become to inefficient, bureaucratic, and incompetent. They become so averse to risk and so complacent in their regular userbase that their bloat outpaced their growth and we're just not starting to see the effects.
Doesn't help that the investors also expected their big profit uptick during Corona to last forever when even a fricking 5th grader could have told you sales were going to go down when you stop having a literal captive audience.
This is exactly what SHOULD happen. Capitalism is working as intended because the boomers in the government don't give enough of a frick about those newfangled video games enough to bail the companies out of their mistakes with taxpayer dollars.
I know this is rhetorical (issue is quality) but there is more going on. What is driving this is inflation, or more specifically, the kind of "stagflation" we had in the 70s. Wages are lagging behind inflation, so people are cutting back. This is why Starbuck's stock took a major dip. People are simply buying less expensive coffee and they are making it at home. Remember that article on how people were playing older games? You don't need to go buy a new game when you have some all already, or can get something on a Steam sale, or emulate a game.
Mind you, quality is a big factor, but what is happening is that people are wising up to AAA now that budgets are tight. Do you want to waste $70 on a game that may just be 15 hours a mediocre? And sorry industry people, but it's unlikely you will see growth. 2020-2022 was likely the peak for games. We'll never have another COVID and the population globally is shrinking. Best case is Gen Z/Alpha spends more as they get older, but given the trend, they'll be poorer than millennials. What you should expect to see >Industry keeps shrinking and people like Christopher ACK themselves. Becomes more of a nerd thing again >Game prices go down as consumers can't afford $70 or will just avoid them or cheaper titles >PS will become more irrelevant as company will only go multiplatform and prioritize PC >More layoffs. Soon studio closures >Games will get smaller and more focused. Movie games will die off as the market can't guarantee 10 million sales >Switch 2 will do OK but will lag behind the previous Switch
yeah, good points. I wanna add that I think your point about the price points hits harder if someone considers that gaming is sort of overvalued. Or "overheated" or whatever is best to say. I don't know.
They have been spending the last 10 years converting every single person they can into a "gamer". From my point of view games are created with the masses in mind because during the last decade and a half we've been riding in the wake of the "Sexy nerd" and "Marvel Universe is cool now" media wave. Nerds went from weird people at school to scanty hot gorls (wearing big glasses). So during this time a lot of people who would never have gotten into the hobby dabbled in it. Now that Marvel and "nerd culture" is dying out of the limelight, the previous levels of consumerism are dying out too. Oh, and right, not just the "MCU" but also Lord of the rings. I don't think people understand what LOTR did to boost the gaming industry. The one two punch of LOTR and WoW was probably the launchpad that kickstarted this growth. People are dropping out of gaming.
I hadn't thought of it that way. Most industries that are necessities (i.e. food and energy) have been overvalued, that is for sure. But certain movies pushing nerd culture is possible and I know LOTR made fantasy cool again. On that note, I do wonder if those Fortnite kiddies will end up just growing out of games. I know people that would play games in college (normally shooters) and then they'd give it up later. The Fortnite kids could be the same way. There are probably a few games that do really well because they reach these kinds of people but never actually keep anyone. But yeah, people are certainly leaving gaming, which I'm all for.
>the population globally is shrinking.
Technically it's still growing, and will do so until we're about like 10 million or so should projections hold.
But all that new growth is largely in Africa and poorer regions in Asia.
Europe, the developed parts of Asia, and the Americas are expected to shrink in population.
Obviously Africans don't have the money to play AAA games. They can play phone games, they buy phones, but AAA gaming needs a TV, plus a console, and then the games. Also an electric, and even often internet, connection
You're correct (though I expect as Western countries decline, so will the aid to Africa resulting in mass starvation). I really meant decline in the first world. Gaming is only ever been viable in White and Asian countries due to the wealth and IQ issue. South America has more of a market but it's so small and a lot of the people playing are probably the whiter South Americans.
>the population globally is shrinking.
Technically it's still growing, and will do so until we're about like 10 million or so should projections hold.
But all that new growth is largely in Africa and poorer regions in Asia.
Europe, the developed parts of Asia, and the Americas are expected to shrink in population.
Obviously Africans don't have the money to play AAA games. They can play phone games, they buy phones, but AAA gaming needs a TV, plus a console, and then the games. Also an electric, and even often internet, connection
And in the meantime, Boeing has planes falling out of the sky and TWO whistleblowers against Boeing concerned about safety issues caused by lower standards have mysteriously died this year. By the way, guess who also pushed for diversity in hiring a few years ago? Just a coincidence, I'm sure. I look forward to seeing United Airlines whistleblowers also dying mysteriously.
>Even lower effort app store shovelware will save us
Lol no. Sorry dude, as much as you'd like it to be, the desktop holodeck isn't just around the corner.
I feel like there's two Vidya industries. One that appears fine that I'm engaged with routinely and this other industry I only ever hear bad things about full of games I don't play.
Make games for the people who play them instead of alienating us to please people who don't. That's all they have to do but they hate us so much that they'd rather go out of business.
It’s the people who play live service slop who did this. I only play single player games from Asia and their game market seems to be doing relatively fine.
>scrimblo
Googling it says this tweet in 2021. Just a modern version of weeaboo and dare you enter my magical realm, just with social media instead of a web comic
They tried several years ago with Spyro and Crash. This led to Kao getting a reboot, Crash 4 and CTR, Glover got a port to modern systems, and I know there were a handful of older brands trying to get big again.
You can't get dubs but the next trend will be Family simulators that will have a huge market with single men i their 30s and over that will eventually lead to a scare culture of blaming video games for the spike in suicides in the 2030s
its funny how badly whales dominate the gaming market. what's the point of making some big budget sophisticated game when people will spend thousands on jiggling gun butts with like two shitty animations? microtransactions are a brilliant way to get morons to waste all their money, and gachas are even more brilliant by getting whales into an addiction-building daily cycle despite the games being irredeemable garbage. it will only get worse as game devs figure out better ways to manipulate users into devoting themselves to trash
>People in 81 probably thought that about arcades.
Gachas are far, far more flexible and accessible to the user. Nothing short of forcing the gaming industry to relegate these virtual slot machines out of existence is going to stop them from being the future. Why wouldn't game companies flock to these low risk, high rewards style of monetization?
it is sad how you can clearly see that the golden age started at the 90's and how it declined in quality in 2007 with the start of the death of the handhelds.
The real clown world moment is how all of a sudden gacha devs are using their cum-stained ill gotten goods to fund good non-gacha vidya
At the exact same time that all the western devs are going all in on GaaS
Don't care, most devs are segregationist lab rat prostitutes. Imagine working in tech and injecting a fricking experimental genetic technology lmfao. Darwinism at work, I just wish they hadn't coerced you morons.
I still emulate LUCT on Ppsspp and Thracia 776 in Snes9x.
Last game I bought full price was Elden Ring.
Waiting for Infinite Wealth to drop prices even more.
Normalgays do play video games, but it is almost exclusively only sports games, Call of Duty and Ubislop. Games industry made the mistake of thinking that console install bases would mean that they have tens of millions large target audiences for movie slop with hundreds of millions large budgets.
Shit like this proves better than any argument, that video games are in fact art and not an "industry".
You can't create good art with nothing but dumping money into it, and art doesn't always provide short term returns. Suits can go frick themselves.
The main issue of western (especially and particularly American) industry are the astronomical budgets. Expenses have bloated to unsustainable levels where even games that sell millions are not profitable enough, and so far the industry leaders have been reluctant to tone down the budgets, other way around, corporations are just doubling down on playing lottery with AAA megaproductions because they keep wishing for a new GTA or Fortnite.
>I set out to make games as a product for who I think is idiotic babies and I do it without any passion >Let me tell you how that is looking pretty dire right now
>everything has to grow infinitely and never stop growing
Cancer. Literal definition of cancer. These c**ts will NEVER be satisfied or content with anything in life because they are CANCER.
That's how it works, but this concept is now meeting the problem of the capped (and potentially shrinking) market while budgets continue to remain as inflated as ever.
The shareholders are the worst possible people to control a corporation.
Because they don't have any inherent love for any business outside of the price of their stock.
The employees, the management, the product, the consumer - no shareholder has any reason to give a frick about any of that.
Any other group owning a business would be superior. >Consumers would care about the product and it being affordable and accessible >Employees would care about their jobs, and what they do >Management would at least want the respect of doing their jobs nobly most the time.
But the stock holders don't need to work for the company, consume its products, take the blame or glory of its impact on the world, or even provide work for the employees.
All their interest is, is money.
So no wonder there's such a terrible problem with layoffs, falling quality of products, skyrocketing prices.
We are being run by an evil and ambivalent class of greedy, do-nothing stock brokers.
>Henry Ford wanted to use his company's profit to raise wages, cut the price of the Model T, and expand his business >His shareholders sued and the court declared that businessmen can't raise wages or cut prices if their shareholders disagree with it.
Henry Ford is long dead. Ford as a company is the same as every other big company, run by suits who don't give a damn about anything but their bottom line
I wonder how AAA devs feel about how there’s a decent amount of Gamers out there, just totally ready to play games like Morrowind/Skyrim/New Vegas for the rest of their lives.
>gaming companies see chinese gachas making more money in a month than the game they wasted 5 years making does in a decade
truly wonderful times we live in
>Make product that panders to paying audience >Make money
People can argue endlessly whether or not these games are shitthey are, but why shouldn't a business pander towards their main source of income?
it'll bounce back once they fire all the woke fricks, and get rid of dei, esg, and bridge. frick these people. their entire families deserve to starve to death
They did this to themselves. Just make good games. It's that simple. No ugly MCs to "challenge beauty standards", no political agendas, no forced diversity, and most of all don't hire people who tell your core audience how much they hate gamers and games. It is so simple not to do these things and there is no benefit to anyone from doing it, so what's the point?
Maybe instead of focusing on le graphics bullshit, realism, and turning games into movies perhaps they should focus on making games. You might also shrink the dev cycle time from half a decade to less. I am pretty sure the old Yakuza Nintendo president was warning about this and getting pissed at how long the dev cycles for some games were.
AAA companies are fricking themselves over by making these super expensive games no one wants to play.
All these studios spend close to a billion dollars on these live service games, but the player only has time for one or maybe two live service games by the nature of the time they require.
So they've been making game after game which no one wants to play, games which are more expensive than anything else they've ever made.
And then there's the fact that it cannot be expected for gaming to always grow. We've reached the cap of people who buy consoles, people who are interested in that. Right now it's 200 million.
And until the third world is rich enough to buy these luxury items, it will stay at 200 million.
The economy is worse off, people don't have as much money. So luxury industries will falter.
It's just a shame that corporations in America are more beholden to their stock holders than their workers, and so they lay off hard working people just so some rich boomer can keep his stock price marginally higher
If line doesn't go up investors pull their money. Investors pull their money than company goes under. This is the nature of being publicly traded, when all your capital is in debt you need to constantly fight against the debt.
In America, and the west more broadly, our corporations are owned by and have to work for the stock holders/investors.
Stock holders and investors don't care about the product, the means, or anything the actual company or employees stand for or want to do.
Instead the stock market is just an economic game of hot potato, a bunch of boomers and israelites tossing around stocks, trying to make money by pumping prices of companies, and leaving before they fall.
These 'people' don't care for the workers, the management, the consumers, or even for the survival of the company as long as they can sell their stocks at a profit.
Because of this companies which are public chase the suicidal delusion of infinite, exponential growth, since that's what the vampiric investor class wants.
Even if it comes at the expense of every other part of the process.
This doesn't only happen to companies it happens to countries too. Canada is currently being flooded with drooling street shitters because the GDP line must go up. Yes in actuality it fricking rekts the country and everyone in it but the GDP number does go up. What is the reason for this? Anti semetism.
There's an old joke about the GDP. >Two men walk down a country lane and see two piles of cow shit. >One man turns to the other and says "Hey I'll pay you 10k if you eat that cow shit." >"You're on." The other man says, and then eats the cow shit and takes his payment. >Then, wiping off the manure from his mouth he turns to the man and offers the same deal. 10k for eating cow shit. >"You're on" He says >Once he's done he grimaces and says "I don't feel so good, we just ate ten pounds of cow shit and neither of any richer." >"What are you talking about?" The other man says. "We just added two jobs to the economy and raised the GDP by 20,000$"
This doesn't only happen to companies it happens to countries too. Canada is currently being flooded with drooling street shitters because the GDP line must go up. Yes in actuality it fricking rekts the country and everyone in it but the GDP number does go up. What is the reason for this? Anti semetism.
There's a peculiar lack of Dodge v. Ford in this post. I ponder why.
Every day I grow more fondly of state capitalism. Why the hell are international investors allowed to run our culture
there's not a single problem that wouldn't be fixed by hanging stockholders
Reminder that Dodge vs Ford and resultant shareholder primacy has been a disaster for the human race.
AAA companies are fricking themselves over by making these super expensive games no one wants to play.
All these studios spend close to a billion dollars on these live service games, but the player only has time for one or maybe two live service games by the nature of the time they require.
So they've been making game after game which no one wants to play, games which are more expensive than anything else they've ever made.
And then there's the fact that it cannot be expected for gaming to always grow. We've reached the cap of people who buy consoles, people who are interested in that. Right now it's 200 million.
And until the third world is rich enough to buy these luxury items, it will stay at 200 million.
The economy is worse off, people don't have as much money. So luxury industries will falter.
It's just a shame that corporations in America are more beholden to their stock holders than their workers, and so they lay off hard working people just so some rich boomer can keep his stock price marginally higher
In America, and the west more broadly, our corporations are owned by and have to work for the stock holders/investors.
Stock holders and investors don't care about the product, the means, or anything the actual company or employees stand for or want to do.
Instead the stock market is just an economic game of hot potato, a bunch of boomers and israelites tossing around stocks, trying to make money by pumping prices of companies, and leaving before they fall.
These 'people' don't care for the workers, the management, the consumers, or even for the survival of the company as long as they can sell their stocks at a profit.
Because of this companies which are public chase the suicidal delusion of infinite, exponential growth, since that's what the vampiric investor class wants.
Even if it comes at the expense of every other part of the process.
Not my problem that devs that show love and passion into their games are the ones doing well right now while the games that pander to some DEI troony shit are all flopping. Let them all die, I'm gonna enjoy good games like Starfield while watching the industry choke from their shit.
How often do A-AA games even come out? I know Square Enix puts out some games of varying quality, developed or published. But other than them, I can't really think of many companies that put out "mid-sized/mid-budgeted" games.
Look at the way people like this talk about video games. Does this sound like a video game developer? No, he's someone who's only interested in money. He probably can't even describe a single video game in any significant detail, he just sees flashing pixels and asks the person standing next to him, "And this will make money? People will give us money for this? How much?" His only concern is money. He moves money around. He looks at where money is coming from and where it's going. That's it.
ITT: People who don't realize Fortnite and Call of Dooty are being coined as "blackhole games" that dominate the market and suck players away from other vidya.
And how did they gain these resources and connections that nobody else in the industry can match? It couldn't be something as simple as the games being fun. I have to turn this into a defence of my transgender Gods somehow.
And how did they gain these resources and connections that nobody else in the industry can match? It couldn't be something as simple as the games being fun. I have to turn this into a defence of my transgender Gods somehow.
>It couldn't be something as simple as the games being fun.
To an extent, you'd be correct. Epic did become the behemoth it is by at one point offering fun and technologically advanced games, and CoD was revered for its quality before it became an icon of yearly releases. Now they're riding the coattails of their market seniority and players' sunk cost fallacy. The market is full, people play the same games they've been playing for a decade and aren't looking for anything new.
Its not about quality, its about brand recognition, the fact that your friends also play it, and sunk cost fallacy which prevents you from switching to other games.
These games gained popularity early which prevents others from competing in the same live service spehere
Stop making expensive garbage shit filled with a million hoops to jump through to play, that is broken, that is 4000gigs plus twice over for weekly patches, that is full of social media connectivity marketing and spyware and ugly minorities. It's not rocket science
yes, i hope it continues. all these people deserve to lose money and jobs. any infinite growth chasers deserve bankruptcy always.
people who make dogshit games, people who insist on trying to engage in social engineering, people who are literally incapable of doing pr because they hire the worst cm's imaginable then never reprimand or fire them for their shit behaviour, all deserve to crash and burn lad.
it doesn't affect me, i have infinite games to play, i don't need these people to keep their jobs to pump out more dogshit nobody wants.
it is not my fault they refused to learn their lesson the past 50000 times, if the child wants to keep touching the stove at somepoint i don't care go ahead you little moron, you'll learn eventually by yourself.
Same thing happened to the film industry in the 60's. Major studios all on the verge of bankruptcy. In the 80s they realised they should just give money to the guys making popular indie games and let them handle it
In the 1980's there wasn't an entrenched class of professional managers demanding diversity and inclusion, to the detriment of all other factors in making games and running a business. Games largely HAVE to fit into predefined diversity boxes, and game studios are managed by a) uncreative bean counters, and b) People who view games as nothing more than a means of delivering "their message."
DEI shit isn't the only reason why games suck nowadays, but it's the big one. You physically cannot make a good product with the spectre of communism hovering over your shoulder, threatening to fire you and ruin your life unless you include the quota-mandated amount of blacks and gay people.
>ass rape people with micro transactions >keep chasing live service games that nickle and dime you with DLC >copy each other with no innovation just trying to get in the money pie
Why would i play any modern slop instead of just turning on Counter strike/Apex/TF2/LOL? It saves me money and theres always tons of people online why pay any new company outside shit like Fromsoft games because there GOAT'd and the occasional BG3 passion project releases? This just seems like a natural conclusion to the FOTM slop releases and DLC practice fatigue people have finally built up enough immunity and not falling for that shit anymore.
It's because game industry has gotten so big that it has attracted other industries that have higher expectations (see film and theme park industries buying in heavily into vidya market with a slew of adaptations and collabs). Now outside investors expect to reach huge gains like those they used to see in their previous industries they were invested in but game industry is still young and unable to sustain such expectations so instead it gets choked out while indie games will actually thrive because most of them live on the old virtues of build a product on limited budget.
please help me budget my AAA gamedev studio >celebrity voices: 50m >ball jiggle physics when under different types of clothing: 100m >hiring an entire cohort of black, gay graduates who got degrees in AIDS studies to write the game: 60m >network stability (my game must always be online): $100 >paying Denuvo monthly license fee: 200k/mo
also, 'woke' dei shit is definitely a component to why things are going down the tubes but morons chasing infinite growth and sub-intelligent gorillas masquerading as intellectuals aren't a mutually exclusive problem
This is why companies want to take your old games away. There's too many games in "circulation."
They need you in the NOW, where they can making the NOW money.
>don't learn how to downsize >devs can't make a feature complete game despite modern tools streamlining the hell out of development to the point that even rakesh bakshi could shit out a game with PS5 graphics in a month >burn any and all goodwill with the audience by trying to emulate wendy's except the social media manager and the production staff are actually mean spirited >also burn all your goodwill for twitter brownie points when the audience you're pandering to is unpleasable and didn't even want to buy your game anyway, they're just neurotic control freaks suffering hard from mean girl syndrome >alienating dedicated audiences for wider mass appeal to mixed results >general "line must go up" moronation shared by suits and corporate bootlickers alike >increasing corporate arrogance making them think the goys will just buy anything >shareholders
gee i wonder why their success wouldn't last
nah, it was the normalgays devs tried so hard to cater to, to make more money.
You got it, enjoy your hellscape of having to support one title and everything else you ever release being a flop.
Reminder every single fricking AAA game released in the last few years EVERYONE OF THEM have been buggy piecest of shit that bait and switched you on release, absolute state of it all.
Elden ring and BG3 were absolutely buggy as frick not sure what you mean i couldnt even really play ER on release for like a week because it had that fricked shader stuttering bug never played LOP.
I don't know, anon. I specifically asked for some things to be included in games and voiced my opinion for things I didn't like. I wasn't only ignored, people told me to frick off. So I don't see how this is my fault. Markets work both ways. You provide something people want and people pay money for it. I still have the money, but almost nobody is producing things I want.
crazy thing is that there are tons of weapon skins in cod that are super weeb anime girl shit but no one seems to think it would work as entire game for some reason
Does the whole Ford v Dodge thing with companies being required to maximize profits for shareholder apply to Non-American countries and companies? I wouldn't imagine it does for a company solely located outside of America, but if a company was international like Sony, does it?
>growing >growth
Stop this obsession with growth. There is a ceiling and when you try to get past it you get what is happening now. Can you not be happy with your current position of essentially being one of if not the most profitable entertainment industry?
>AA market practically obliterated in many ways >very quickly going between indie games that can be completed and refunded within 2 hours or blockbuster hits >add in gachashit sucking money away like a sponge
It's very quickly becoming a case of those who tapped the market earlier will dominate in it. Expected really but it's still entertainment.
>"games industry"
yeah let me just go to the cars salesman
buy a cars to take my dogs to the dogs groomer
and then on the way back i can go to the groceries store to pick up some groceries. i'll also need to take a trip to the gasses station too.
It's just the western AAA industry dying
Nintendo and the JPN industry (not just AAA) is thriving unless you're named Square Enix since they tied themselves to THE western AAA corp (SIE)
Maybe not try and squeeze every penny out of a volatile market and instead downsize for a more sustainable business model, of course that's impossible with shareholders thrown into the mix
Maybe if the studios would make good games and stop destroying good games with moronic choices that have to come from out of touch executives.
I'm looking at Hell Divers 2 on this one. They had a certified hit and they killed it with one dumb choice chasing money.
They did that too themselves. Every game now needs to be a runaway record breaking success and they injected woketard shit into once beloved franchises and drove away the gamers. They still make money because the current era is BAZINGA OMG NERD SHIT and normies buy it to post them playing on X but the game needs to make far more money because some moron thought videogames need to be like capeshit movies and have 9 figure budgets.
This is what I wanted. Vidya has been going in a failure of a direction for 15 years, and to see it regress, rid itself of bad influences, and lose interest by the venture capitalist asshats that fricked it over since Peter Moore cancelled the Dreamcast and the rise of EA and Ubisoft... it's been fricking relieving to see everything dial back.
Who gives a frick. In 5 years you’ll be able to prompt any curren gen level AAA game you want with open source generative AI.
Video models by then will allow you to walk around persistent full scale versions of any city in the world and any fantasy world. They’ll be populated by thousands of NPCs that you can talk to and command.
People will spend all day strolling around Middle Earth on random quests. Either VR or flatscreen, whatever you prefer.
Is anon still not paying attention at all? The entire fricking world is working on AI nonstop. All the galaxy brains and richest frickers alive are pouring everything into it. It’s going to destroy every single mainstream entertainment industry and all of the Slopflix and moronic woke gaming studios will die forever.
How the frick are you homosexuals so far behind still, this has been obvious for years
Agree. All these predictions ITT and so few of them get anywhere close to what will actually happen. AI improves exponentially across the board, indie games become mind-blowing, big studios either secure exclusive IP rights to Star Wars, LOTR, or similarly popular fantasy worlds, or they die. That is the only
outcome. It’s a matter of time and I wouldn’t bet on it taking longer than a decade max.
larry fink, esg, dei, woke trash, sweet baby inc., troonyfornians need to go away. until then I'll keep playing genshin and other CCP products, president Xi can have all my money. western troony devs can crash and burn for what I care.
Why don't video game companies just reduce costs?
It's been proven time and time again you don't need cinematic graphics unless you're making normie marvel slop
>I hope you're happy.
I am unironically
After it all crashes and burns only people left within the industry will be people who care about videogames
Right now it's 80% greedy israelites and leftist activists
I Wonder why that is? A true mystery
capitalism.
go back predditor
shouldn't you be out setting yourself on fire somewhere?
Capitalism is the only reason why we have a AAA games industry.
Sure, it also causes it to falter, that's just the cycle of the economic model
Why the frick do we NEED a AAA game industry is the question
There are some projects which cannot be done by small teams or lone developers.
Even games which are now over a decade (or decades) old, like the 3D Fallouts, WoW, Dark Souls, Metal Gear Solid 2-5, or Mario Galaxy are too large of a task for anyone other than a large team to undergo.
And large teams need a large amount of money, which requires a AAA, corporate set-up to make profitable and feasible.
Sure, for most games we can just play indie stuff. But for some great games, there needs to be a business for it to continue on.
>Capitalism is the only reason why we have a AAA games industry.
So you're saying capitalism is a bad thing now?
now?
I used to be a conservative, super anti socialist pro free market type of guy.
And while I still don't support socialism, since it's moronic and inefficient, I no longer endorse our current system.
Like everyone is being fricked over just so the few who have money can continue to make more off of destroying business after business.
Who can support this?
It's like that meme with the two Aztec guys looking at a guy having his heart ripped out on an alter. One Aztec man turns to the other and says
>It may not be a perfect system, but it's the best one there is
There has to be a better way.
I didn't want to look it up and bother learning
I found the image
The irony is this was the best system, until their society and technology evolved enough to the point they could realistically attain something better
Capitalisms is a great system, but the problem is it requires Government Intervention. You have to do pescribed burns every so often so that wealth doesn't accumulate at the top to the point where it chocks everyone out. Despite that the Libertarians you might see at the circus say, Companies will 100% abuse you more than governments ever will. Like, we have an issue now of whistle blowers of Boeing just mysteriously dying. Or how companies have gone ahead with a product that they knew would kill people but assumed the cost of settlements was less than the profits. Companies actively work to undermined competition by any means necessary. Capitalism requires some competition to work. The problem is our system doesn't do anything to deal with this excess wealth. You have to be willing to break companies up and tax rich people.
True.
While the power of the free market it great, a truly free market can only come when all businessmen have to play fair.
If given the opportunity, and businessman will try to end competition, because competition is good for everyone except capitalists.
>but the problem is it requires Government Intervention
this right here.
Honestly, the real problem is with our debt-based economy, and I've been wracking my head for a while now, basically to have your cake and eat it, since what the debt-based economy does well is make it really easy for funds to go from savers to borrowers, OR, for people and firms to finance big capital investments to boost their productivity without having to pay out of pocket. This is the big factor, by the way. I'd argue it's the reason the industrial world could take off the way it did. You would be surprised how good it is when you can enjoy the benefits of a 5 million dollar capital asset for your business without needing to cough up 5 million dollars right there.
Of course, literally everything else about it, debt slavery, rampant inflation, gradual transfer of wealth to the super-elite, ect, is abominable and the main reasons for our society's slow collapse. So, basically the ideal solution would be the one really good thing about a debt economy without the negatives, and with that, I hate to admit I'm stumped.
Personally I think the west is fine. We're good. We don't need more innovation and expansion, we have more than what we need already.
So frick it, end debt based capitalism and let us retire from competition and enjoy the fruits of the nation's economy
you were never pro market. It's obvious you don't understand how the world works
Capitalism is why the AAA industry is dying. The core of capitalism is that you have to make a product that appeals to people to outcompete other people making these same type of products. anti-capitalism systems like stocks prop up these companies despite making bad products, extending their death march.
This
The invisible hand of the market is giving AAA companies a prostate exam because they didn't want to innovate and let themselves become to inefficient, bureaucratic, and incompetent. They become so averse to risk and so complacent in their regular userbase that their bloat outpaced their growth and we're just not starting to see the effects.
Doesn't help that the investors also expected their big profit uptick during Corona to last forever when even a fricking 5th grader could have told you sales were going to go down when you stop having a literal captive audience.
This is exactly what SHOULD happen. Capitalism is working as intended because the boomers in the government don't give enough of a frick about those newfangled video games enough to bail the companies out of their mistakes with taxpayer dollars.
So capitalism works because it ruins artistic mediums and ruins those who participate in it and enjoy it.
the artists ruined themselves, capitalism is just a manifestation of nature
>poz coming from TOP DOWN, quite literally the government is endorsing this diversity bullshit
>see, see?! it's the capitalism doing this!
Rather, a lack thereof.
I know this is rhetorical (issue is quality) but there is more going on. What is driving this is inflation, or more specifically, the kind of "stagflation" we had in the 70s. Wages are lagging behind inflation, so people are cutting back. This is why Starbuck's stock took a major dip. People are simply buying less expensive coffee and they are making it at home. Remember that article on how people were playing older games? You don't need to go buy a new game when you have some all already, or can get something on a Steam sale, or emulate a game.
Mind you, quality is a big factor, but what is happening is that people are wising up to AAA now that budgets are tight. Do you want to waste $70 on a game that may just be 15 hours a mediocre? And sorry industry people, but it's unlikely you will see growth. 2020-2022 was likely the peak for games. We'll never have another COVID and the population globally is shrinking. Best case is Gen Z/Alpha spends more as they get older, but given the trend, they'll be poorer than millennials. What you should expect to see
>Industry keeps shrinking and people like Christopher ACK themselves. Becomes more of a nerd thing again
>Game prices go down as consumers can't afford $70 or will just avoid them or cheaper titles
>PS will become more irrelevant as company will only go multiplatform and prioritize PC
>More layoffs. Soon studio closures
>Games will get smaller and more focused. Movie games will die off as the market can't guarantee 10 million sales
>Switch 2 will do OK but will lag behind the previous Switch
yeah, good points. I wanna add that I think your point about the price points hits harder if someone considers that gaming is sort of overvalued. Or "overheated" or whatever is best to say. I don't know.
They have been spending the last 10 years converting every single person they can into a "gamer". From my point of view games are created with the masses in mind because during the last decade and a half we've been riding in the wake of the "Sexy nerd" and "Marvel Universe is cool now" media wave. Nerds went from weird people at school to scanty hot gorls (wearing big glasses). So during this time a lot of people who would never have gotten into the hobby dabbled in it. Now that Marvel and "nerd culture" is dying out of the limelight, the previous levels of consumerism are dying out too. Oh, and right, not just the "MCU" but also Lord of the rings. I don't think people understand what LOTR did to boost the gaming industry. The one two punch of LOTR and WoW was probably the launchpad that kickstarted this growth. People are dropping out of gaming.
I hadn't thought of it that way. Most industries that are necessities (i.e. food and energy) have been overvalued, that is for sure. But certain movies pushing nerd culture is possible and I know LOTR made fantasy cool again. On that note, I do wonder if those Fortnite kiddies will end up just growing out of games. I know people that would play games in college (normally shooters) and then they'd give it up later. The Fortnite kids could be the same way. There are probably a few games that do really well because they reach these kinds of people but never actually keep anyone. But yeah, people are certainly leaving gaming, which I'm all for.
You're correct (though I expect as Western countries decline, so will the aid to Africa resulting in mass starvation). I really meant decline in the first world. Gaming is only ever been viable in White and Asian countries due to the wealth and IQ issue. South America has more of a market but it's so small and a lot of the people playing are probably the whiter South Americans.
>the population globally is shrinking.
Technically it's still growing, and will do so until we're about like 10 million or so should projections hold.
But all that new growth is largely in Africa and poorer regions in Asia.
Europe, the developed parts of Asia, and the Americas are expected to shrink in population.
Obviously Africans don't have the money to play AAA games. They can play phone games, they buy phones, but AAA gaming needs a TV, plus a console, and then the games. Also an electric, and even often internet, connection
>Muh inflation again
Go frick yourself mr.armchair economist.
I agree. We need sherlock and poirot to unveil this impossible puzzle.
I'm so glad I started boycotting airlines in 2002
Does being a shut-in really qualify as "boycotting airlines"?
I am extending this boycott to supermodels and yachts!
You can leave your house without taking flights, are you moronic?
And in the meantime, Boeing has planes falling out of the sky and TWO whistleblowers against Boeing concerned about safety issues caused by lower standards have mysteriously died this year. By the way, guess who also pushed for diversity in hiring a few years ago? Just a coincidence, I'm sure. I look forward to seeing United Airlines whistleblowers also dying mysteriously.
Put cute girls in games. Win. Tale as old as time. This is not complicated. Men like looking at them. Women like playing as them. You can't lose.
Don't worry. Ai generated games will save the industry.
>Even lower effort app store shovelware will save us
Lol no. Sorry dude, as much as you'd like it to be, the desktop holodeck isn't just around the corner.
You’d be surprised how quickly things are about to change forever normalgay
so more Playstation games on PC is what you’re saying
I feel like there's two Vidya industries. One that appears fine that I'm engaged with routinely and this other industry I only ever hear bad things about full of games I don't play.
Do you play games like Legend of zau aka legend of Black person? That's your answer.
Make games for the people who play them instead of alienating us to please people who don't. That's all they have to do but they hate us so much that they'd rather go out of business.
It’s the people who play live service slop who did this. I only play single player games from Asia and their game market seems to be doing relatively fine.
>Things will bounce back
copium
Dubs decides the next FOTM genre the industry beats to death for the next Decade
Bring back scrimblo collectathons.
Either this or BR is the worst genre that was ever popular.
What is origin of scrimblo term
Twitter, by a user named NemmyArty, on February 16th 2021.
>scrimblo
Googling it says this tweet in 2021. Just a modern version of weeaboo and dare you enter my magical realm, just with social media instead of a web comic
They tried several years ago with Spyro and Crash. This led to Kao getting a reboot, Crash 4 and CTR, Glover got a port to modern systems, and I know there were a handful of older brands trying to get big again.
7 and it’s Pay to play Battle Royales
point and click adventures but with the same adhd style as tiktoks
Mascot Horror Battle Royales
This is closest to the impossible dubs so I declare it to be correct.
>Ganker
>dubs
Hello tourist.
imagine caring about being a local on Ganker you are a possibly the biggest loser on the website cross-board
Story-driven first person fantasy crpgs with lifesim elements PLOX
You can't get dubs but the next trend will be Family simulators that will have a huge market with single men i their 30s and over that will eventually lead to a scare culture of blaming video games for the spike in suicides in the 2030s
that pic is me but 40 instead
at this point I realized that I am self-sabotaging my own happiness but my only habits i;ve formed are selfishness
Live service hidden object games
CRPGs.
>muh growth!
It's a sickness.
Literally untrue. "The industry is dying" is a false narrative that will be used to justify more price increases.
Make better games instead of crying and blaming the consumer for not buying your shitty product
You told me not to buy your games if I don't like your politics.
You are literally a terrorist!
>you're a terrorist
watch scarface before continuing this line of reasoning
tldr: say hello to the bad guy
>portfolios of color
What the frick am I reading?
Reminder that glowies are the ones funding diversity consulting firms with government grants under the pretense of being "counter-terrorism."
wait, how is VR at the top of earnings?
That's not how stackes charts work, you dumbass. If you read it, it actually has the lowest.
Bait or zoomer
TLDR: Gacha garbage is the future
grim
worst timeline
its funny how badly whales dominate the gaming market. what's the point of making some big budget sophisticated game when people will spend thousands on jiggling gun butts with like two shitty animations? microtransactions are a brilliant way to get morons to waste all their money, and gachas are even more brilliant by getting whales into an addiction-building daily cycle despite the games being irredeemable garbage. it will only get worse as game devs figure out better ways to manipulate users into devoting themselves to trash
God I wish I got into Indie gaming from 2010 to 2015. Absolute fricking garbage would still allow you to make tons of cash.
The death of the arcades directly coincides with the death of quality vidya.
People in 81 probably thought that about arcades.
they thought that about handhelds though. stationary arcades were never going to be the future.
>People in 81 probably thought that about arcades.
Gachas are far, far more flexible and accessible to the user. Nothing short of forcing the gaming industry to relegate these virtual slot machines out of existence is going to stop them from being the future. Why wouldn't game companies flock to these low risk, high rewards style of monetization?
>PC is worth more than console
Tell Ganker that in 2008 and they'd never believe it. What a weird thing.
This chart only accounts for western countries
If you count China, it will be even more heavily skewed toward pc and mobile
it is sad how you can clearly see that the golden age started at the 90's and how it declined in quality in 2007 with the start of the death of the handhelds.
based, I hope gacha completely dominates. "Gamers" did this to themselves thinking the entire industry can revolve around the same 6 or so arena games
The real clown world moment is how all of a sudden gacha devs are using their cum-stained ill gotten goods to fund good non-gacha vidya
At the exact same time that all the western devs are going all in on GaaS
Don't care, most devs are segregationist lab rat prostitutes. Imagine working in tech and injecting a fricking experimental genetic technology lmfao. Darwinism at work, I just wish they hadn't coerced you morons.
maybe they should try making video games people actually want
Play AAA games win AAA prizes.
Nintendo saving the industry AGAIN next year.
I still emulate LUCT on Ppsspp and Thracia 776 in Snes9x.
Last game I bought full price was Elden Ring.
Waiting for Infinite Wealth to drop prices even more.
Normalgays increasingly don't play video games, and why would they, when they can just scroll Tiktok, which is easier and cheaper?
Normalgays do play video games, but it is almost exclusively only sports games, Call of Duty and Ubislop. Games industry made the mistake of thinking that console install bases would mean that they have tens of millions large target audiences for movie slop with hundreds of millions large budgets.
Shit like this proves better than any argument, that video games are in fact art and not an "industry".
You can't create good art with nothing but dumping money into it, and art doesn't always provide short term returns. Suits can go frick themselves.
Game companiea only need ESG dark money fron blackrock to push woke propaganda.
Your posts are offtopic and violates the rules of Ganker
seek help fricking loser
Shalom
>/misc/ crybaby
frick off
>causes vidya crash 2.0
>you can't talk about why because its off topic
Jews did 9/11
I didn’t do shit. Make better games
Maybe stop being woke leftists?
The main issue of western (especially and particularly American) industry are the astronomical budgets. Expenses have bloated to unsustainable levels where even games that sell millions are not profitable enough, and so far the industry leaders have been reluctant to tone down the budgets, other way around, corporations are just doubling down on playing lottery with AAA megaproductions because they keep wishing for a new GTA or Fortnite.
Like I give a shit about investors and suites.
>I set out to make games as a product for who I think is idiotic babies and I do it without any passion
>Let me tell you how that is looking pretty dire right now
Not my problem.
>path of chink bots
nice try tencent employee
Cope. It will be the definitve Diabloclone and nothing comes close.
Thats why pc as a platform must die AND force people to pay for the videogames and Entertainment
Piracy is killing everything
Free games earn the most money, aside from FIFA.
>everything has to grow infinitely and never stop growing
Cancer. Literal definition of cancer. These c**ts will NEVER be satisfied or content with anything in life because they are CANCER.
Umm, that’s how open capital companies work, my man.
Someone puts $1 in stocks and wants that to become $10 no matter what.
That's how it works, but this concept is now meeting the problem of the capped (and potentially shrinking) market while budgets continue to remain as inflated as ever.
Reminder that Dodge vs Ford and resultant shareholder primacy has been a disaster for the human race.
The shareholders are the worst possible people to control a corporation.
Because they don't have any inherent love for any business outside of the price of their stock.
The employees, the management, the product, the consumer - no shareholder has any reason to give a frick about any of that.
Any other group owning a business would be superior.
>Consumers would care about the product and it being affordable and accessible
>Employees would care about their jobs, and what they do
>Management would at least want the respect of doing their jobs nobly most the time.
But the stock holders don't need to work for the company, consume its products, take the blame or glory of its impact on the world, or even provide work for the employees.
All their interest is, is money.
So no wonder there's such a terrible problem with layoffs, falling quality of products, skyrocketing prices.
We are being run by an evil and ambivalent class of greedy, do-nothing stock brokers.
>Henry Ford wanted to use his company's profit to raise wages, cut the price of the Model T, and expand his business
>His shareholders sued and the court declared that businessmen can't raise wages or cut prices if their shareholders disagree with it.
What the frick
Look into who these shareholders were then come to the realization why these people have a history of being kicked out of host nations
^this
also testing if im banned yet. for saying it out loud.
I go a little bit nuts every time i'm reminded this happened.
I wonder if that's why Ford is getting worse as a company and stuck producing f-150s that no one wants or can afford.
Henry Ford is long dead. Ford as a company is the same as every other big company, run by suits who don't give a damn about anything but their bottom line
Why isn't our state funded propaganda selling???????
Eat shit Chris. Buy an ad.
I wonder how AAA devs feel about how there’s a decent amount of Gamers out there, just totally ready to play games like Morrowind/Skyrim/New Vegas for the rest of their lives.
>Industry that keeps getting shittier is failing
Good.
>gaming companies see chinese gachas making more money in a month than the game they wasted 5 years making does in a decade
truly wonderful times we live in
>Make product that panders to paying audience
>Make money
People can argue endlessly whether or not these games are shitthey are, but why shouldn't a business pander towards their main source of income?
I can just hope they're taking a look at Snowpeak and not Genshit.
Should have killed battlepasses and gacha when they first started popping up. Autism is amplified exponentially when time limits are introduced
Why don't game companies just make games with smaller budgets?
it'll bounce back once they fire all the woke fricks, and get rid of dei, esg, and bridge. frick these people. their entire families deserve to starve to death
>this misplaced delusion
nothing is going to change until you cucks start b***hing about the capitalistic practices ruining the industry
Capital is the source of woke, so gutting the cretinous loyalists that staff these places as political favours is a viable start.
They did this to themselves. Just make good games. It's that simple. No ugly MCs to "challenge beauty standards", no political agendas, no forced diversity, and most of all don't hire people who tell your core audience how much they hate gamers and games. It is so simple not to do these things and there is no benefit to anyone from doing it, so what's the point?
Maybe instead of focusing on le graphics bullshit, realism, and turning games into movies perhaps they should focus on making games. You might also shrink the dev cycle time from half a decade to less. I am pretty sure the old Yakuza Nintendo president was warning about this and getting pissed at how long the dev cycles for some games were.
I am happy, I hope the whole fricking industry crashes and burns. I hope they all get laid off and have to flip bug burgers. It must die to be reborn.
AAA companies are fricking themselves over by making these super expensive games no one wants to play.
All these studios spend close to a billion dollars on these live service games, but the player only has time for one or maybe two live service games by the nature of the time they require.
So they've been making game after game which no one wants to play, games which are more expensive than anything else they've ever made.
And then there's the fact that it cannot be expected for gaming to always grow. We've reached the cap of people who buy consoles, people who are interested in that. Right now it's 200 million.
And until the third world is rich enough to buy these luxury items, it will stay at 200 million.
The economy is worse off, people don't have as much money. So luxury industries will falter.
It's just a shame that corporations in America are more beholden to their stock holders than their workers, and so they lay off hard working people just so some rich boomer can keep his stock price marginally higher
game industry is literally growing.
>b-b-b-but 2020!
frick off homosexual.
>number must go up at all cost no matter what
why?
Jews said so
the economy is a gigantic spinning plate set up
the moment it stops spinning it will fall and break into a million pieces
must go up at all cost no matter what
>why
do not go any further unless you're ready for the consequences
What are the consequences?
my ignorant take is
bubble pops > some of the rich get richer, some of the rich go bust and rope, most poors get poorer
If line doesn't go up investors pull their money. Investors pull their money than company goes under. This is the nature of being publicly traded, when all your capital is in debt you need to constantly fight against the debt.
In America, and the west more broadly, our corporations are owned by and have to work for the stock holders/investors.
Stock holders and investors don't care about the product, the means, or anything the actual company or employees stand for or want to do.
Instead the stock market is just an economic game of hot potato, a bunch of boomers and israelites tossing around stocks, trying to make money by pumping prices of companies, and leaving before they fall.
These 'people' don't care for the workers, the management, the consumers, or even for the survival of the company as long as they can sell their stocks at a profit.
Because of this companies which are public chase the suicidal delusion of infinite, exponential growth, since that's what the vampiric investor class wants.
Even if it comes at the expense of every other part of the process.
Every day I grow more fondly of state capitalism. Why the hell are international investors allowed to run our culture
There's a peculiar lack of Dodge v. Ford in this post. I ponder why.
This doesn't only happen to companies it happens to countries too. Canada is currently being flooded with drooling street shitters because the GDP line must go up. Yes in actuality it fricking rekts the country and everyone in it but the GDP number does go up. What is the reason for this? Anti semetism.
There's an old joke about the GDP.
>Two men walk down a country lane and see two piles of cow shit.
>One man turns to the other and says "Hey I'll pay you 10k if you eat that cow shit."
>"You're on." The other man says, and then eats the cow shit and takes his payment.
>Then, wiping off the manure from his mouth he turns to the man and offers the same deal. 10k for eating cow shit.
>"You're on" He says
>Once he's done he grimaces and says "I don't feel so good, we just ate ten pounds of cow shit and neither of any richer."
>"What are you talking about?" The other man says. "We just added two jobs to the economy and raised the GDP by 20,000$"
there's not a single problem that wouldn't be fixed by hanging stockholders
See
stop being anti-semitic
Jews, anyone telling you otherwise is israeli or employed by israeli intelligence agencies
literally against the law not to, public companies LEGALLY have to make as much money for shareholders as possible
Ford v Dodge Brothers
you mean ~~*dodge brothers*~~
inb4 not allowed to say that for ~~*some reason*~~
~~*small)) ~~*white*~~ ~~*penis*~~
kill your self
If people don't understand this reference they need to look it up.
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
nta, no.
humans love grinding
Very happy
Not my problem that devs that show love and passion into their games are the ones doing well right now while the games that pander to some DEI troony shit are all flopping. Let them all die, I'm gonna enjoy good games like Starfield while watching the industry choke from their shit.
the industry is a bloated stagnant shithole so that's ok
I'm more than happy
I'm proud
How often do A-AA games even come out? I know Square Enix puts out some games of varying quality, developed or published. But other than them, I can't really think of many companies that put out "mid-sized/mid-budgeted" games.
they're killing of the bread and games of the populace so they can bait men into dying for ww3
Look at the way people like this talk about video games. Does this sound like a video game developer? No, he's someone who's only interested in money. He probably can't even describe a single video game in any significant detail, he just sees flashing pixels and asks the person standing next to him, "And this will make money? People will give us money for this? How much?" His only concern is money. He moves money around. He looks at where money is coming from and where it's going. That's it.
We have a word for these creatures: bugmen.
HMMM YES LETS SPEND 200 MILLION FOR A FRICKING MOVIE GAME
>bite the hand that feeds you
brilliant strategy, works everytime
Hell yeah.
NSYNC GET TO THE SHOW CHAD
ITT: People who don't realize Fortnite and Call of Dooty are being coined as "blackhole games" that dominate the market and suck players away from other vidya.
Instead ITT: People blaming trannies, per usual.
Why don't devs make games better than Fortnite or CoD?
They're not good games, they just have the resources and connections to run unlimited collabs. morons love novelty
I've never even heard of CoD collabs. Do they do like Doritos and Mountain Dew?
CoD changed for the worst since the last time you looked at it
HOLY SHIT SEXLANDER FROM THE SEX?
And how did they gain these resources and connections that nobody else in the industry can match? It couldn't be something as simple as the games being fun. I have to turn this into a defence of my transgender Gods somehow.
Addictive =/= fun
>It couldn't be something as simple as the games being fun.
To an extent, you'd be correct. Epic did become the behemoth it is by at one point offering fun and technologically advanced games, and CoD was revered for its quality before it became an icon of yearly releases. Now they're riding the coattails of their market seniority and players' sunk cost fallacy. The market is full, people play the same games they've been playing for a decade and aren't looking for anything new.
Its not about quality, its about brand recognition, the fact that your friends also play it, and sunk cost fallacy which prevents you from switching to other games.
These games gained popularity early which prevents others from competing in the same live service spehere
Should've made a better game then.
I have more than enough games to play already for the rest of my life. I'd be fine with this hobby going niche again.
why do people chase infinite grow but then complain once they realize we live in a finite world?
Sounds like a you problem
It's almost like chasing endless growth is a fool's game
Stop making expensive garbage shit filled with a million hoops to jump through to play, that is broken, that is 4000gigs plus twice over for weekly patches, that is full of social media connectivity marketing and spyware and ugly minorities. It's not rocket science
yes, i hope it continues. all these people deserve to lose money and jobs. any infinite growth chasers deserve bankruptcy always.
people who make dogshit games, people who insist on trying to engage in social engineering, people who are literally incapable of doing pr because they hire the worst cm's imaginable then never reprimand or fire them for their shit behaviour, all deserve to crash and burn lad.
it doesn't affect me, i have infinite games to play, i don't need these people to keep their jobs to pump out more dogshit nobody wants.
it is not my fault they refused to learn their lesson the past 50000 times, if the child wants to keep touching the stove at somepoint i don't care go ahead you little moron, you'll learn eventually by yourself.
>AI
nah, culture war shit makes it sure that it will stay moronic
Same thing happened to the film industry in the 60's. Major studios all on the verge of bankruptcy. In the 80s they realised they should just give money to the guys making popular indie games and let them handle it
In the 1980's there wasn't an entrenched class of professional managers demanding diversity and inclusion, to the detriment of all other factors in making games and running a business. Games largely HAVE to fit into predefined diversity boxes, and game studios are managed by a) uncreative bean counters, and b) People who view games as nothing more than a means of delivering "their message."
DEI shit isn't the only reason why games suck nowadays, but it's the big one. You physically cannot make a good product with the spectre of communism hovering over your shoulder, threatening to fire you and ruin your life unless you include the quota-mandated amount of blacks and gay people.
Pic unrelated
Western Games will always suck and be inferior to Eastern ones. I don't know why, but it's true.
Good
We need a video game crash that kills video games for good.
Frick video games
>costs have increased
Very. Entire market collapse when?
>ass rape people with micro transactions
>keep chasing live service games that nickle and dime you with DLC
>copy each other with no innovation just trying to get in the money pie
Why would i play any modern slop instead of just turning on Counter strike/Apex/TF2/LOL? It saves me money and theres always tons of people online why pay any new company outside shit like Fromsoft games because there GOAT'd and the occasional BG3 passion project releases? This just seems like a natural conclusion to the FOTM slop releases and DLC practice fatigue people have finally built up enough immunity and not falling for that shit anymore.
You're welcome, bros.
It's because game industry has gotten so big that it has attracted other industries that have higher expectations (see film and theme park industries buying in heavily into vidya market with a slew of adaptations and collabs). Now outside investors expect to reach huge gains like those they used to see in their previous industries they were invested in but game industry is still young and unable to sustain such expectations so instead it gets choked out while indie games will actually thrive because most of them live on the old virtues of build a product on limited budget.
please help me budget my AAA gamedev studio
>celebrity voices: 50m
>ball jiggle physics when under different types of clothing: 100m
>hiring an entire cohort of black, gay graduates who got degrees in AIDS studies to write the game: 60m
>network stability (my game must always be online): $100
>paying Denuvo monthly license fee: 200k/mo
also, 'woke' dei shit is definitely a component to why things are going down the tubes but morons chasing infinite growth and sub-intelligent gorillas masquerading as intellectuals aren't a mutually exclusive problem
I read a report the other day that something like 80% of all games being played right now are over six years old.
Maybe make some better games that people actually want to buy?
This is why companies want to take your old games away. There's too many games in "circulation."
They need you in the NOW, where they can making the NOW money.
>don't learn how to downsize
>devs can't make a feature complete game despite modern tools streamlining the hell out of development to the point that even rakesh bakshi could shit out a game with PS5 graphics in a month
>burn any and all goodwill with the audience by trying to emulate wendy's except the social media manager and the production staff are actually mean spirited
>also burn all your goodwill for twitter brownie points when the audience you're pandering to is unpleasable and didn't even want to buy your game anyway, they're just neurotic control freaks suffering hard from mean girl syndrome
>alienating dedicated audiences for wider mass appeal to mixed results
>general "line must go up" moronation shared by suits and corporate bootlickers alike
>increasing corporate arrogance making them think the goys will just buy anything
>shareholders
gee i wonder why their success wouldn't last
So how did hiring all those diversity consultants and gender equity specialists work out for you?
nah, it was the normalgays devs tried so hard to cater to, to make more money.
You got it, enjoy your hellscape of having to support one title and everything else you ever release being a flop.
Reminder every single fricking AAA game released in the last few years EVERYONE OF THEM have been buggy piecest of shit that bait and switched you on release, absolute state of it all.
Not Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, and Lies of P
Elden ring and BG3 were absolutely buggy as frick not sure what you mean i couldnt even really play ER on release for like a week because it had that fricked shader stuttering bug never played LOP.
>games are worse
>shit is selling
not happy but i ain't buying your shit games
>make a buncha shit people DONT WANT
>WHY ISNT IT GROWING AIIIEEE
>Rules
>in a FREE market
gay
I don't know, anon. I specifically asked for some things to be included in games and voiced my opinion for things I didn't like. I wasn't only ignored, people told me to frick off. So I don't see how this is my fault. Markets work both ways. You provide something people want and people pay money for it. I still have the money, but almost nobody is producing things I want.
This i just want one COD like game but with anime girls and fortnite tier of outfits to use. JUST ONE GAME.
crazy thing is that there are tons of weapon skins in cod that are super weeb anime girl shit but no one seems to think it would work as entire game for some reason
All this bureaucratic gobbledyasiatic over fricking video games. Just make a good game. Can you not do that?
I want all of these "game devs" on the street as tranq zombies for what they've done.
Good. Way too many fakes and interlopers. When the money vanishes, so will they.
Does the whole Ford v Dodge thing with companies being required to maximize profits for shareholder apply to Non-American countries and companies? I wouldn't imagine it does for a company solely located outside of America, but if a company was international like Sony, does it?
I don't buy things I don't like. Simple as that.
>growing
>growth
Stop this obsession with growth. There is a ceiling and when you try to get past it you get what is happening now. Can you not be happy with your current position of essentially being one of if not the most profitable entertainment industry?
>MUH ENDLESS GROWTH AAAAHHHHHH
capitalism was, is and will continue to be a mistake
>AA market practically obliterated in many ways
>very quickly going between indie games that can be completed and refunded within 2 hours or blockbuster hits
>add in gachashit sucking money away like a sponge
It's very quickly becoming a case of those who tapped the market earlier will dominate in it. Expected really but it's still entertainment.
The economy is shit all around.
None of this would have happened if Napoleon had won Waterloo
>nightmare times
more like healing
Yeah, I'm a small dick neo nazi who hates women and POC. How could you tell?
The only people of color are white people. The rest of you are just shades of brown.
The west can't make EDF games
>"games industry"
yeah let me just go to the cars salesman
buy a cars to take my dogs to the dogs groomer
and then on the way back i can go to the groceries store to pick up some groceries. i'll also need to take a trip to the gasses station too.
moron
Thank you.
Begone ESL
moron
It's just the western AAA industry dying
Nintendo and the JPN industry (not just AAA) is thriving unless you're named Square Enix since they tied themselves to THE western AAA corp (SIE)
>You did this
no you unironically.
>I hope you're happy
your analytics must be broken because you should know i'm not.
Maybe not try and squeeze every penny out of a volatile market and instead downsize for a more sustainable business model, of course that's impossible with shareholders thrown into the mix
I am never happy
Maybe if the studios would make good games and stop destroying good games with moronic choices that have to come from out of touch executives.
I'm looking at Hell Divers 2 on this one. They had a certified hit and they killed it with one dumb choice chasing money.
They did that too themselves. Every game now needs to be a runaway record breaking success and they injected woketard shit into once beloved franchises and drove away the gamers. They still make money because the current era is BAZINGA OMG NERD SHIT and normies buy it to post them playing on X but the game needs to make far more money because some moron thought videogames need to be like capeshit movies and have 9 figure budgets.
This is what I wanted. Vidya has been going in a failure of a direction for 15 years, and to see it regress, rid itself of bad influences, and lose interest by the venture capitalist asshats that fricked it over since Peter Moore cancelled the Dreamcast and the rise of EA and Ubisoft... it's been fricking relieving to see everything dial back.
What the frick does sustainability have anything to do with video games?
>you did this!
>by not buying our games full of fat ugly c**ts, trannies, and endless MtX/DLC
>why would you do this to us?!
>it's all your fault!
Who gives a frick. In 5 years you’ll be able to prompt any curren gen level AAA game you want with open source generative AI.
Video models by then will allow you to walk around persistent full scale versions of any city in the world and any fantasy world. They’ll be populated by thousands of NPCs that you can talk to and command.
People will spend all day strolling around Middle Earth on random quests. Either VR or flatscreen, whatever you prefer.
Is anon still not paying attention at all? The entire fricking world is working on AI nonstop. All the galaxy brains and richest frickers alive are pouring everything into it. It’s going to destroy every single mainstream entertainment industry and all of the Slopflix and moronic woke gaming studios will die forever.
How the frick are you homosexuals so far behind still, this has been obvious for years
Agree. All these predictions ITT and so few of them get anywhere close to what will actually happen. AI improves exponentially across the board, indie games become mind-blowing, big studios either secure exclusive IP rights to Star Wars, LOTR, or similarly popular fantasy worlds, or they die. That is the only
outcome. It’s a matter of time and I wouldn’t bet on it taking longer than a decade max.
Or, they just put cute girls in their games and make billions.
larry fink, esg, dei, woke trash, sweet baby inc., troonyfornians need to go away. until then I'll keep playing genshin and other CCP products, president Xi can have all my money. western troony devs can crash and burn for what I care.
Why don't video game companies just reduce costs?
It's been proven time and time again you don't need cinematic graphics unless you're making normie marvel slop
>sustainability
>nightmare times
anyway costs are increased because you haven't lynched your shareholders yet
>I hope you're happy.
I am unironically
After it all crashes and burns only people left within the industry will be people who care about videogames
Right now it's 80% greedy israelites and leftist activists