I liked Saints Row 3, but I think it's fair that it killed the studio. Especially after they reskinned it 4 times. Most studios don't try to ride the same game for a decade when it's not even worth the second go around.
SR3 is as far as they should have pushed the formula.
SR4 actually had gameplay elements that stepped on all previous gameplay developed to the point it wasn't Saints Row any more. Why drive around the city when you can just fly?
And through all of those games, they never improved driving, shooting, or missions, just kept adding new crazy stuff instead.
Another openworld red faction would have slayed.
A janky development house finally ran out of juice.
I think SR3's decent sales gave Volition the wrong idea that people liked the direction it went in. Pretty much anyone that liked SR2 would have bought SR3 at launch without knowing ahead of time how radical the changes would be. And since overall the gameplay was still there people bought the DLC too once it was out. They also sold the 'Complete' edition later for peanuts which also probably inflated sales numbers.
3 was fun and certain parts of the game were beneficially streamlined. But the tonal shift was just too much, and in other aspects of the game too much was condensed or removed. It was definitely the death knell of series given its success.
Yeah but you can argue Skyrim and GTA V are a worthy dead horse to beat. Saints Row 3 was a stunted mule runt and Volition pulverized it into mush even though nobody wanted it.
>didn't have to struggle in pain and misery. >Gat out of hell was made >Agents of mayhem flopped after writhing in development hell and modding support got dropped >Saints Row Reboot was a flop and a huge laughingstock
Volition basically started screaming and crying right before being publicly executed
The whole hatebait marketing thing is pretty much over at the time. People already got sick of it then. Guess them marketing department didn't get the memo.
>people could mentally associate the snark with the company mascot >anyone trying to do the same with Saints Row reboot would be met with a sidecut nog with a bad attitude
I don't think this marketing spin would've flown with anyone outside of maybe Johnny Gat and even that would get grating. Shaundi got such a chilly reception for that same pivot despite being the main girl. For some people once the 3rd game rolled around she turned into a raging turbo b***h. It even became a notable plotpoint where the SR2 version gave herself the title of Fun Shaundi causing a decent amount of seething from the actual Shaundi. Whatever they were thinking with that marketing spin it will continue to serve as a history lesson of what happens when this kind of half brained idea blows up in your face.
Did it ever even work? I first saw it with Ghostbusters 2016 which was a massive flop and then it seemed like tons of marketers tried to copy its formula as if it wasn't one for some reason.
i'm sure it worked once or twice but attacking the "GTA but more niche" fans was a colossally bad move seeing as normalgays barely played the last moronic entries in the series
It wasn't a "colossally" bad move, it didn't have much of a negative impact.
The reason the game flopped was because it was gay shit not because fans got upset and decided to boycott (that never worked)
At worst it sounded like out of touch people trying to sound cool, nobody outside of Ganker babies got hurt
If your game studio wants to go that route when selling their new game, your product needs to be top-notch, I mean beyond expectations shit, like GTA level of "everyone-will-buy-it-anyway" level. Without that guarantee, you better off switch your marketing tactics. Otherwise, you might as well move your company out to Chernobyl now that your brand is just as radioactive then.
Even a big franchise like Battlefield can't afford to tell its fans to frick off, they tried that with V's awful "don't like, don't buy" marketing campaign and look what happened. I think out of all games in the world, only Pokémon and GTA could get away with that kind of marketing, but the marketing teams at TPC and Take-Two still aren't moronic enough to try it. That says it all, really.
If your game studio wants to go that route when selling their new game, your product needs to be top-notch, I mean beyond expectations shit, like GTA level of "everyone-will-buy-it-anyway" level. Without that guarantee, you better off switch your marketing tactics. Otherwise, you might as well move your company out to Chernobyl now that your brand is just as radioactive then.
Not even Xbox could tell its customers "If you want to play offline, get an Xbox 360" Just extremely fricking stupid to go that route.
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If your game studio wants to go that route when selling their new game, your product needs to be top-notch, I mean beyond expectations shit, like GTA level of "everyone-will-buy-it-anyway" level. Without that guarantee, you better off switch your marketing tactics. Otherwise, you might as well move your company out to Chernobyl now that your brand is just as radioactive then.
i'm VERY happy
I’ve never ever understood this ‘talking down the customer’ ideology, some people say it was Wendy’s fault but it’s been around long before that, why would you ever self sabotage your marketing in such a way, who does it appeal to, Isn’t the point of marketing to lie and manipulate people for sales? promises, hype, positivity for the product, a facade of absolute satisfaction. That’s proper marketing, this shit needs to stop
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It's just about having a bit of sass with cheeky people, the problem is that there a fine line between that and simply being an butthole. Clearly the moron running the saints tow twitter account didn't know that.
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Hate brings higher engagement than liking things
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But not more sales
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three reasons. 1. thinking they're hot shit and everyone wants their game so the haters are a minority. 2. thinking that acting juvenile like that will "own the haters and garner coolness points with buyers and maybe get some other cool kids to become buyers as well". 3. millennials are fricking moronic and never learned to speak and behave properly.
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>I’ve never ever understood this ‘talking down the customer’ ideology
It was funny when Wendy's did it because they were the first and they were taking jabs at people who were sorta being dicks. That Saints Row one is just disgraceful, the guy is just suggesting the game might get less hate if they took it a bit more seriously, and their response was to nosedive the entire company. morons.
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Social media. The need for attention and "likes". The problem is that most of the people liking this would have never bought the game anyway, it's just random anons, and the it turns away their actual fanbase who will just disengage. It's an illusion of engagement from people outside their actual customer base.
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Leftists think it's okay to shit on anyone who isn't as mentally ill as they are because sides of history or someshit. If you do not espouse their ideology - you are less than human and are not to be treated with any respect. Nu-Saints were a bunch of mystery meat leftist millenial homosexuals talking about student debts and communes. Therefore if you don't like it - you're a racist sexist transphobic gay-killing troglodyte and are only alive because the evil hwyte government prevents these stunning and brave people from lynching you.
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>some people say it was Wendy’s fault but it’s been around long before that
the thing is that Wendy's knew who it could take a shit on and who it couldn't, the rest of wannabes are like pajeets on a brand new street
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Wendy's also went after other corporate brands at the start, namely other fast food joints. Which was kind of enddearing to see Wendy's talking shit on Burger King.
It eventually went to just normal people, and like you said, they did a real good job of knowing who they could dunk on or not.
PR employees/companies saw that as "be sassy to customers and they'll love it" which eventually just turned to "be a b***h to customers and frick em, if they don't love it someone else will".
The dirty little secret is that it works but only if you try to upset left wingers/feminists.
If you try it the other way around those types just see that your product is still shitty and don't buy it.
Depends on what specific group of people you're trying to piss off really or whether or not the controversy it brings will be beneficial in the long run or not. GTA back in 2000s kinda worked because it pissed off a bunch of 'no fun allowed' boomers who obviously don't play games like Jack Thompson or Leland Yee. It gets a little tricky when you're trying to navigate age groups who most likely will buy your products; potential customer base like the wokes or the chuds, or if they'll buy your products when you try to piss off either group or if you go far for either of them, being hostile to the other group only to get what is basically "thanks but no thanks" sorta attitude from the people you're trying to pander.
Overall, these types of hostile/cheeky marketing are too risky and confusing to navigate nowadays. You'd be better off sticking with the conventional wisdom of universal marketing, the good old "Here's this new game with this cool gameplay and setting, go buy it!" sorta pitch.
Most of the time I'd imagine it's just the result of marketing leaning into a mess someone else has made to try to make the best they can of a bad bottom line. If you have to sell a bad product and aren't in a position to change it, pushing hate with the product will sell more than just the product itself. Sometimes it's enough to flip something into profit, but just reducing loss is better than nothing.
The people who made the product bad just didn't care about the bottom line. They'd rather feel right about their actions than successful, and nothing makes them feel more right than people they don't like telling them they're wrong. And they're largely insulated from failure because they're zealots who truly believe they did the right thing. They tend to fail upwards and will just move onto the next studio forever.
>The whole hatebait marketing thing is pretty much over at the time. People already got sick of it then. Guess them marketing department didn't get the memo.
Lmao, ofc they know.
They do it out of spite.
Marketing and "community management" is where all those far left women and diversity hire work.
they dont care
thats the problem when you are not financially tied to the client and instead you are paid by the publisher, no incentive to care
the people who get fired will be the workers, not the managers and producers and the rest of useless fricks
in fact Brian Traficante, the far left nutjob that was the games director was never fired, he somehow was left to the end when he fricked off himself, when he should have been gone the first time he started preaching marxism is his ideology on how to run a studio
SR1 and 2 crew were real gangsters. In 3 they even have Johnny criticizing the Boss that this Saints shit is all artificial now and far removed from being gangster any more.
Within the opening cutscene, in fact. The finale of the game is to decide whether you're willing to accept life as a safe, energy-drink-selling "thug" celebrity, or whether you're willing to go to war with a corporate cabal (and by extension, their contacts in the US government) simply to kill the people who pissed you off.
if you havent replayed 1 or 2 recently i would highly recommend it, its so refreshing to watch people be unapologetic shitbags
the playa never goes on any whiny monologues about how he doesnt really want to be a bad man or any of that shit, hes a gangbanger becuase he likes it he even shuts julius down at the end of the secret mission
Frick no, we already have FreeSpace Open that lets you play campaigns from both games with tweaks and also offers a huge number of player-made campaigns including anime ones
Pretty sure Embracer Group has the IP rights for that as well. They've been eating up a lot. As it is they could theoretically have Gearbox aka the Borderlands homosexuals or Beamdog aka guilty of a number of crimes ect ect Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition homosexuals do something with it, or even have Crystal Dynamics aka the Tomb Raider, Gex, and Games As A Service Marvel Avengers slop homosexuals monetize it for "A New Audience™" these days.
kek How shit are they doing if even Embracer doesn't want them anymore? They were even willing to buy Crystal Dynamics when their neeest thing was that trash heap homosexualry Marvel's Avengers as it was failing to turn into a live service game.
kek How shit are they doing if even Embracer doesn't want them anymore? They were even willing to buy Crystal Dynamics when their neeest thing was that trash heap homosexualry Marvel's Avengers as it was failing to turn into a live service game.
I've also heard this rumor. Wouldn't be a bad call. Gearbox needs to frick off.
Apparently it's Gearbox who are publishing the Gigantic relaunch?
Which I worry for, because it's genuinely a cool game and deserves another chance.
Who even cares about the IP? Just make the game, call it Libertyspace or some shit and say it's an "homage" to an old classic.
Frick no, we already have FreeSpace Open that lets you play campaigns from both games with tweaks and also offers a huge number of player-made campaigns including anime ones
I don't trust any studio to do satisfying sequel to Freespace, even fan made ones are not really close. Spiritual successor would be best
i played it for a couple hours and it feels like a floaty saints row 2 so far
basically take the worst parts of sr2 and the worst part of sr3/4, and you've got the reboot
which still makes for an ok game, just weaker than all previous ones
It's not bad, the side hustles and empire building portion has a bunch of fun games attached alongside a few duds.
The game is still very obviously neutered.
>replace beloved cartoon caricature of city gangsters with annoying realistic coastal city cosmopolitan college kids
Surely the core fanbase of Saints Row will like this change.
>IdolNinja
The closure of Volition just means the thing he spent the last years of his life working on will never be finished. Volition planned to return staff to the SR2 patch once the reboot reached end of service, and then Embracer shut them down right when end of service happened.
Volition also gets too much shit for what was clearly a publisher lead project every step of the way. Most I’d say Volition did was the dogshit combat.
they are paying for it, so probably at every stage
while they are sometimes local publishing and distribution deals, having a publisher usually means you make a game for someone under their direction, basically you are owned by them for the period of that contract, they cover all operating costs in return for large profit margins or ip ownership
>Every stage
Bullshit, they published what people are saying is a Indie game, so they just swooped in at the end when it was done and gave them just enough money to keep it off of Xbox
And then were incredibly fortunate that it blew up in popularity (probably due to not having anything else to play) You know how many games Microsoft could 'publish' and keep off PlayStation if they really wanted too? Except they don't and either go all in by buying the studio and publishing all their games, paying salaries ect. I also have a feeling the last Final Fantasy Remake is coming to Xbox and that's the real reason they censored it (while advertising a more lewdly dressed Tifa at the same time) did I mention I absolutely despise this petty ass Californian company?
>At what development stage did ps even get their hands on it?
When they made Helldivers 1. It's one of the first games published by Playstation PC iirc.
Helldivers isn't indie. What we're seeing isn't the rise of small indie games, they've been selling well for ages (usually not as much as AAA games, but they also spend 1/10000th the money that AAA does), but the rise of AA games.
Volition is such a dogshit company, they accidentally made a fricking demon that hunts you down, and can break not only your copy of Saints Row 2, but your whole Xbox 360. Look up "The Freezer".
We miss Mike.
They soft rebooted it and made it way more cutscene intensive, and then they filled it with gay characters no one liked. They also made the protag uglier. Anita was joined the project for it lol.
>They soft rebooted it
I think that was the real buzzkill. If you enjoyed the story so far, you'd want to see how it continues, not go through the same story (albeit reworked) again.
GotG was fine, but I could have told them they weren't getting anywhere without the likeness rights. People just don't care enough about those characters to play as Wish.com versions of them, no matter how much money you spend on the other parts.
I'd say it's because some games sell on name alone. gotg, kill the justice league and the avengers game needed the actors likeness to bait normies but obviously failed to do so
GOTG is unironically the best capeshit game we've gotten since probably Arkham City.
The story and character work is absolutely phenomenal and is miles ahead of the MCU variants.
>I dont get whats woke about her
Playing as a woman who constantly screams to make her problems go away and who's completely mentally deranged but that's actually her secret superpower and she's a powerful yaaas queean?
>Playing as a woman who constantly screams to make her problems go away and who's completely mentally deranged but that's actually her secret superpower and she's a powerful yaaas queean?
It’s made in Canada.
No, but seriously, I heard they renamed Psychopaths to just Psychos and then eventually just Crazies or something like that. Not exactly woke but there’s no good reason to change something like that
Battleborn didn't fail because it was woke, though, it failed because it got its lunch eaten by Blizzard and Overwatch, and Randy was too stupid and stubborn to adjust the game's market strategy until it had long fallen off the public radar.
It wouldn't have surprised me - the PC launch was atrocious, the UI was vomit-inducing, and it was suffering from Gearbox's patented attempts at humor. Probably would have lasted longer than it did, though.
Go to bed Cliff.
Also I doubt even 1% of the people that were remotely interested in the game were aware of whatever the frick political nonsense he's going on about.
The idea that the game failed because he pushed his political adgenda too hard instead of the game being a buggy mess with eye bleeding UI and some of the worst 'humor' at that peak 2016 le whacky era is insulting to the piss poor game design.
Also - why do companies write farewell posts as if we worked there, or as if we care whether they die or not? Nobody gives a rat's fricking ass about incompetent devs who couldn't make a game after 6 tries while wasting upwards of 10 million dollars to produce slop nobody ever wanted.
Narcissism mostly. They probably think of it like a digital tombstone so they can try and sell the narrative that they were a good company that tried its hardest.
Because whatever they apply to next will view their Facebook and Twitter and see that they spoke good after getting fired rather than lash out and dox their boss while simultaneously posting their bosses wife's nudes
Parasocial societ and it makes it feel like the company had a bigger impact in peoples lives than it did. But nobody will remember in 15 minutes that it happened just like the shmuck who lit himself on fire a week ago.
By white guy nerds that haven't worked there in 10+ years other than maybe 1 writer that's still around and one dude who's like the executive president that doesn't do shit except sit in his office and collect a check.
They try to feed on that nostalgia and make us sad that the studio is shuttered but its like bro that studio has been dead for 15 years, it's just some corpse being paraded around by an infestation.
>bethesda
not while they are under zenimax >activision blizzard
no while they are under microsoft >343
this one probably will happen >ps slop
not while they are under sony
>they are under zenimax
Zenimax is Bethesda.
The company was created so Bethesda could become a publisher for smaller devs, But Zenimax was purchased by Microsoft, so they won't die until it does.
I imagine that 343 is already on the chopping block and will be quietly taken apart behind the scenes. Not like they have much to do now that the Halo IP is firmly in the toilet.
God damn, it's not that fricking hard to make San Andreas gang shit but better than R*. It wasn't always about being more than GTA, it was about beating them at their game.
Naah, their leaderships' direction fricked them over most of all. Shitposting on Ganker does jack shit.
Their last 4 released games were >Saints Row (2022) >Agents of Mayham (2017) >Saints Row: Gat out of Hell (2015) >Saints Row IV (2013)
They kept trying to coast on Saints Row's IP paying off as it did for the first 3 games. Open World games like that take a lot of time and budget and them trying to milk the same game over and over again was a powder keg waiting to burst. Most likely investors were easy to sell on another game in a series that sold well previously, but player appeal just doesn't work like that for every genre.
Quality of writing, change of what is "permissable edgyness", the original audience having grown, some possibly out of purile humour. They were fricked the moment they didn't switch to AA games to fish for their next big hit. Big companies fail because they have to.
Go jerk yourself of in your own echo box you moronic ape. The latest game is hot garbage but there are plenty of people who loved Saints Row. This is sad news even with all the vindication. Jesus Christ can't you tortanic fricks go away faster
Well you have to remember that they're the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys and this is how they fight for the diversity and validation they deserve. They're like the rebel alliance fighting against the evil empire so some casualties are to be expected.
Ship of Theseus. The Volition that just died isn't the same Volition that made Freespace 2. I'm just thankful its corpse isn't shambling around anymore and I hope Bioware is next.
I just don't get it, you could have put any neckbeard Gankerirgin as the project lead and it would have turned out fine. It's like these companies have just been making dogshit on purpose lately
The people they became lost sight of who they were and became hostile to their audience. I am happy this behavior was not rewarded. May they, and others, learn from their example.
sr1 and 2 were some of my favorite games
sr3 was 1 step forward and 2 steps back
sr4 wasn't saints row
everything else was trash
they had 10 years of feedback to make a good game with but chose instead to out trash themselves
99.9% chance the person who wrote this, and the people who work at the studio now, had absolutely nothing to do with Descent or Freespace. New hires of a company for some reason think they get to share in the glory of past successes even as they run said company into the ground.
This. It's just a name when the turn around time on employees is one project and its disgusting to take credit for games developed long before they were hired. Hopefully the hacks making the decisions will leave the industry now with the mass layoffs, but for ~~*some*~~ reason I doubt it
They can all burn for their role in letting the Saints Row 2 patch die. I have a lot of people on my shit list and I genuinely hope everyone on it suffers for letting our guy's dying wish be snuffed out
I do think it's a shame. Obviously an inevitability after the last entire decade of trash, but a shame.
Old school Volition is one of the best devs there ever was.
Descent 1/2, Freespace 1/2, Red Factoin. Saint's Row 1/2, Red Faction Guerilla. It was pretty much all hits for over a decade with the only real exception being Red Faction 2. I still think Freespace 2 was the single best videogame ever made.
It's a shame volition went down the shitter, but it's not a shame it shut down when it did. It was a husk, any trace of that old school volition was long dead by the time the saints row reboot came out.
They actually had some of the key leaders come back midway through the saint's row reboot development, but the studio was too gutted and corporatized by that point presumably.
>Have sustainable dedicated fanbase >Intentionally and repeatedly do the exact opposite of what they want >Go bankrupt
Leftist devs are so weird. They pride themselves on empathy, but will put hundreds out of work for a few cheap virtue signals into the void.
Honestly I feel they would frick it up if they had chance even years ago. They have bad track record with sequels. They can do only 1 or 2 good games from series
Honestly I feel they would frick it up if they had chance even years ago. They have bad track record with sequels. They can do only 1 or 2 good games from series
I salute my fellow Second Incursion veterans.
BluePlanet 2 was already too political for my tastes.
wienerstar already has bad rep among anyone but mexican kids for forsaking GTAV expansions, RDR2 expansions, all the cut content from RDR2, mexico, etc. in favor of GTA online trash. They don't even have the people who made RDR2 good anymore.
>mentioned the fact that 'yeah we know we ignored you when it comes to Red Faction and Saints Row'
I'm usually very empathetic but I just can't be here. They deserve it. They really do. I love both those series and they had to change them both fundamentally despite the fan's cries.
everyone should watch this and channel the rage needed to spontaneously gib the devs in their homes right now, they shit on a dead mans legacy a man who dedicated his final moments to trying to make sure we got good vidya again. RIP IDOLNINJA
The biggest take away from this was the top execs and trannies were completely woke morons and stifled all the development for years and they even scammed the parent company out of money to make a shitty game until they got found out and replaced.
Volition put out some great games (Descent, Freespace, Red Faction, Punisher, Saints Row 2) but they had started to decline LOOOOONG before they made that shitty Saints Row reboot.
They tossed IdolNinja's work into the trash the very second he died lol
They held the idea of a "SR2 patch" hostage to hope itll make people buy zoomer row to maybe get it one day
It was never happening
That interview with a former Volition developer showed they only made the reboot cause they had no other choice and that they'd rather have it flop than have it appeal to their old problematic and toxic fans. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
I hate how almost every company gave up on making GTA clones. It's like there's on really good pizzeria in your town, so the 3-4 other pizza shops close shop. So now you're only stuck with one pizzeria.
in this case its a pizzeria that used to make great pizza but now feels like theyre just going through the motions cause the lack of competition and their huge ego gained from everyone blowing smoke up their ass has made them stagnant. gta 4 has basically solidified the modern rockstar mission design principle but in all that time they never figured out how to make their cinematic shit any more fun to play, it's embarrassing
Violation deserve it for 10 years of bad decisions >ran saints row to a point of no return >Do agents of mayhem a shit online game that flops >fail to patch pc version of saints row 2 >Do shitty remasters of 3 and 4 >try to reboot saints row in the worse way possible that appeals to no one
They deserve no pity
terrible graphics overhaul that ruins lighting and character looks, terrible performance, no bug fixes, and 4 remaster literally broke older versions of the game
The only game they made I genuinely enjoyed was the first Red Faction and even that might be mostly due to nostalgia. Frick that bomb defuse bullshit at the end though
>"Remember all these things? We made those. Bet you feel bad about not buying our dogshit garbage now, huh?"*
>(*all of these things were made by people who have long since either left the company or been fired in the past 20 years and if even 1% of the original people remain they were thoroughly brainwashed to make sure they had the correct opinions on the right side of history)
Insomniac is basically dead tho, stuck with Marvel shit for the next 10 years while Sony stomps their neck to make sure they don't spend 300M+ and upset their investors when the revenue falls short of their expectations
the fricking reboot has worse driving and shooting than the original , and I'm playing it with a mouse and keyboard using an emulator, what a colossal frick up
Why do you think you get such notable reactions when you say "vote with your wallet"? Cause it works, and they hate that. That's why they'll layer on every insult and spin the narrative of hate groups. "it failed cause group a, b, and c" their only card is to play victim, because they know they're being caught and called out for their bullshit.
They never even realize the contradiction in "you're just a small bunch of nerds, the industry grew up, we don't have to pander to you anymore" and "this small group of nerds whining on the internet caused our game/movie/show to flop, frick those nitpicky buttholes".
When there’s a game I really like, I give a few copies to my friends for free just cause I’ll buy multiple anyway. I am stuffing the ballot box and trannies cannot compete.
their only good game was red faction and they went backwards on destruction of terrain
so good i'm happy they are dead , they should have died 20 years ago when rf2 released
Funny they reference Descent, Freespace and Summoner, all games from 20+ years ago, back when they were good and probably no one who worked for Volition in that day is still employed there.
No, frick you, you don't get to have those, the company that died is the one who made the moronic californian zoomer gta clone and that's what you will be remembered for.
Man. I'd love to know for the future, how do I be self conscious enough so that if I ever get to make a vidya with cutscenes I'd be able to differentiate something that's good from something that I animated and wrote therefore that's good enough?
Maybe, just maybe, use your own standards as a customer and force your own game to meet those standards, if you don't do that you're just making games to entertain yourself instead of an actual game meant for others to enjoy
>not debra wilson >crazy cat lady in her young years >steve urkel looking wannabe >dude that's probably gay because it's less problematic that way
imagine being so bad at character design you make gat out of hell look good in comparison
>cat >doing any kind of real damage in an actual fight
There's a reason people have guard DOGS. Because large domestic dogs are actually capable of killing someone, frick even a mid range dog would be more useful here, I thought that was a Shiba for a second, which still would've been dumb, but it would've been better than a fricking cat
>cat >doing any kind of real damage in an actual fight
There's a reason people have guard DOGS. Because large domestic dogs are actually capable of killing someone, frick even a mid range dog would be more useful here, I thought that was a Shiba for a second, which still would've been dumb, but it would've been better than a fricking cat
Making saints row 3 inferior to 2 killed them more than anything else
If they focused on online coop in an open world instead of >Lol! Le wacky Dildo bat!! XDDD they would have been at the top of the industry next to GTAV/GTAO
SR3 is what gave the series mainstream success, but that's fickle. You can see it in the way Bethesda went from Skyrim, a huge success by all definitions of the word (unless you're a Morrowind or Oblivion fan) to Starfield, a game that had zero lasting impact and is only really liked by the most hardcore of nu-Bethesda fans.
If they actually tried to appeal to SR2 fans again, I don't doubt they would've at least enjoyed enough success to not get killed by Embracer. Even just fixing up the PC patch would've given them enough goodwill to keep going for a while. They literally made the worst choices possible for the studio, and from what we know from interviews with formers devs, they did it purely to spite SR2 fans. That kind of dedication is, if nothing else, impressive.
Volition story is insane, lots of the dev team didn't even wanted to make Saints Row 1 back in the day. It was a studio with constant friction between themselves, I guess that's why their portfolio was so diverse.
Hearing this makes it look like the woke thing wasn't the issue but the internal management and the embracer fiasco. They could have survived a change of tone.
All this aside, I won't ever forget that they didn't continued Idol Ninja's Saints Row 2 Remastered project.
>internal management
It is almost entirely this. The Saints Row 4 that we got was originally a DLC for 3 titled "Enter the Dominatrix" while the 4th that was being worked on was meant to be a bit more of a return to roots but adding Red Faction type destruction. Because the team couldnt get the Red Faction destruction working in a way that management saw as fun they scrapped the whole project and made the DLC the sequel. This was also to ensure that they released on 7th gen before 8th gen launched so they didn't have to upgrade their game to match 8th gen standards.
This fat frick Jim is responsible for that decision and also is the genius behind the reboot.
The original Saints Row 4 was going to be the Saints versing gangs made up of Egyptians, Mongolians and Stalinists lead by clones of Cleopatra, Ghengis Khan and Joseph Stalin. It was all going to take place in a new city as well. https://youtu.be/v3-hDAeDfFw?si=5a8-Cb7ZOK9ZGRUs&t=2325
>company who killed a dying man's effort of preserving and improving his favorite game for the community and fans >company dies themselves later after basically spitting on said fans
like pottery
This. However the soul comes from the devs who were the creative backbone and often times all the people who mattered and cared are long gone.
I have no doubts all the people who were making the creative decisions for the Saints Row reboot had absolutely nothing to do with the old titles. And the one guy who still cared got fricked over and didn't live to see the fruits of his effort go through. It's fricking sad.
Did Suicide Squad franchise ever produced anything other than a dud. The movie failed, the comics failed, the game failed. Who is still pumping money into this, it isn't gonna be a thing.
Bombed terrible because they released it during the plannedemic on HBO Max and theaters simultaneously.
Good movie though.
Did Suicide Squad franchise ever produced anything other than a dud. The movie failed, the comics failed, the game failed. Who is still pumping money into this, it isn't gonna be a thing.
The Harley Quinn show on HBO Max is pretty well receieved but that's not Suicide Squad, that's just Harley.
Also the Ostrander run of Suicide Squad comics is legit pretty good.
It's bizare as frick that they keep trying to push the Suicide Squad concept though. 2 live action movies, 2 animated movies, and a couple of tangentially related Harley things in the Harley Quinn/Bird of Prey movie and TV-MA Harley show on HBO/Max
>It's bizare as frick that they keep trying to push the Suicide Squad concept though
It's their current attempt to spin up another cinematic universe after the first one failed horribly
No they're not. Not even remotely on the same scale. There's one single Thunderbolts movie slated and nothing else related to the project in any other media.
And people seem to forget that GOTG was a group of literal who nobodies that no one knew of other than diehard comic fans that were super into Giffens/DNAs cosic marvel around 06 that kicked off with Annihilation, so marvel trying it again with Thunderbolts isn't some crazy idea that has no basis for an attempt.
Suicide Squad has failed on like 4 seperate occasions, 5 if you include the game, and they're STILL trying to push it as this big thing that everyone is excited about. It's like the head of WB or whatever legitimately has a hardon for the Suicide Squad brand and won't let it go. That's the only thing I can remotely assume is happening because that's all that makes sense.
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Wouldn't be the first time a suit developed a fixation on a subfranchise and tried to push it in the face of overwhelming customer disinterest. For a while, one of the bigwigs at Marvel kept trying to sell the Inhumans as the next big thing (because the X-Men rights were still out on loan), despite the fact that literally no one likes or cares about the Inhumans.
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The Inhumans thing made sense though because like you said, they didn't have the movie distribution rights to the X-Men at the time, and it was peak MCU. So they tried to literally replace the X-Men with Inhumans in both the comics and in the MCU as a "frick you" to Fox. The minute they merged with Fox and the X-Men distribution was back under Disney/Marvel, the Inhumans fricked off and have basically been completely absent from the comics and the MCU.
That's different than whoever the frick keeps greenlighting these SS projects even though all but one of the 5 (now 6) of them has been a failure.
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>that time they had the Inhumans genociding mutants and tried to spin it as the X-Men being the bad guys
Shit was hilarious and everyone hated it because everyone loves the X-Men and barely anyone gives a shit about the Inhumans.
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They did The X-Men so dirty, I was hoping Cyclops succeeded at killing off the Inhumans
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>Due to frickery, two massive clouds of terrigen gas are released into Earth's atmosphere >These clouds float across the globe, killing any mutant caught in them >Research determines that if left unchecked, the clouds will saturate the entirety of Earth's atmosphere, rendering it uninhabitable by mutants >Inhumans refuse to do anything about this because they consider terrigen sacred >Kamala Khan: wHo aRe tHe gOoD gUyS hErE?
Why does Marvel even bother trying to write these shitty Versus lines?
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>Why does Marvel even bother trying to write these shitty Versus lines?
Because the only comics that sell well anymore (and the only ones that have sold well for the last 20+ years really) are mega crossover event comics and newly minted #1s which are very easy to roll out as a result of said mega crossover events.
There's a few exceptions here and there with the super popular characters or the mega allstar authors, but there's outliers in every stat.
I don't like it, not because it's a bad movie or anything, but because his success at making colorful action-comedies with somewhat immoral protagonists is probably the reason the Borderlands movie is getting made, and I can't forgive that.
Could've made Freespace 3, a genre they are adept at and is almost comically underutilized so much so that there are people paying thousands of dollars to a conman so they can scratch that itch.
Nah man gotta make something nobody needs nor wants and just capitilize on that.
It's both tragic and pathetic
No I didn't, Volition killed themselves. They had Red Faction Guerilla and Saints Row 2 at basically the same time, then they totally fricked up Red Faction by removing all of the open world and destruction physics and started pushing Saints Row too far. I still liked SR3 and SR4 but instead of having a steady series they wanted to make every game a big leap over the previous and by SR4 they were already bastardising gameplay elements to try and make it work.
So they went from two strong series during the 7th console gen to uh... nothing by the 8th gen. We got an attempt to make a Hero Shooter that was pretty mediocre (not even terrible just not great) and some Red Faction remasters. All of the money from these two games got pumped into a fricking terrible Saints Row reboot and then embracer pulled the plug. Because Volition had nothing left to remaster and no series with any legs. Both times they tried to make something new it flopped and they had lost basically all fan goodwill.
>the original vision for Saints Row 5 was to retcon all the alien plot of ST4 >the gang did become president of the USA but they ruined America to Idiocracy levels >Steelport would be post-apocalyptic dystopia, and rival gangs would be like Mad Max lunatics, even more, freaky shit and consumerism satire >it was all scrapped because they wanted to appeal to a younger crowd, that is why they rebooted
Gen X and Millennials are so out of touch with zoomers it's unreal. The shit in Saints Row 2022 reminds me of Boomers making rap songs about abstinence and staying away from drugs in the 90s.
Why not appeal to their target audience? Its not like we're in our 90s and about to fricking die, we'd have stuck with it for years if the output actually tried to be good.
Because budgets are growing too much and companies are desperate to find "more audiences". Same reason so many companies sucked china's dick (because chinese were an underutilized audience)
>Make shit game only to pander to a certain crowd >Act hostile when you get called out as only pandering to that certain crowd >That certain crowd doesn't really play games they just like to be pander to >Game doesn't sell >Lose your job
kek
you forgot >get paid 100k a year >when you get mass laidoff get a nice half a year payout >jump to the next studio to repeat the process
big fish from voltion already set up Shapeshifter Games from all the money they got out of Embracer, wont be long before they find another out of touch publisher like Sony
>get paid 100k a year >when you get mass laidoff get a nice half a year payout >jump to the next studio to repeat the process
Im pretty sure this is the m/o of every big fish in the industry. If you are lead or a higher position, you just hop studios and milk them dry. New studio = new investors. Just milk them dry give yourself a nice bonus and move on. And even if you fail, now you have more experience to sell to the next studio.
If the people that were involved in the games like Descent, Freespace and OG SRs were already gone from the studio, I don't care that the studio died. If the OG devs did have a hand in the more recent garbage games, I don't care that the studio died.
I don't know of anyone who thinks corporations as large as AAA devs are a good thing these days. The only ones who approve of this shit are the filthy rich CEOs themselves and their investors who want infinite growth.
I'll be face down in a ditch somewhere by the time TESVI comes out and that isn't looking too good either. Fallout is basally dead at this point and I'm not interested in anything else from the AAA space. Outside of a handful of indies the outook is pretty grim.
Anybody clinging to hope for TESVI is moronic anyways. It will be a sequel to a 17 year old game made by a studio that hasn't released a truly outstanding game for those 17 years.
>Do you people actually want another industry crash?
Yes >Is there truly nothing in this current industry worth saving in your eyes?
Anything worth saving will survive the crash, think of it like a purge
>Is there truly nothing in this current industry worth saving in your eyes?
I like paraslop games and they have enough paypigs to survive any crash
AAA tho? Not a single thing worthy of saving for more than a decade now
why are AAA companies so entitled, most of them have also only made a single good game which has allowed them to grow big and then just pure fail releases
>You KILLED Volition.
I don't play nor care about westoid devs and hardly remember their names so who? >I hope you're happy.
Westoids devs dying are always based so yes, I am.
I just want you guys to know that the general consensus before voalition dropped the abomination that was Saints Row Reboot was that SR3 was better than 2 because it sold more.
>Sometime it's easier to remember the games more than the studio that built them.
If nobody can link your studio to a game, you must be pretty notorious for making dumpster fires.
AmI supposed to feel bad for a bunch of mentally ill transexual leftists whose only goal being in the video game industry is to ruin video games
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Volition killed themselves with Saints Row TT. And then one more time with Saints Row 4. And then one more time with Gat Out of Hell. And then one last time with whatever the frick that reboot was supposed to be. No, not that one, the one before. I can’t even remember what it’s called. Some bullshit superhero spy nonsense. I don’t think a single person bought that game
>And then one last time with whatever the frick that reboot was supposed to be. No, not that one, the one before. I can’t even remember what it’s called. Some bullshit superhero spy nonsense.
Agents of Mayhem, the game they said had nothing to do with SR but was filled with references and SR characters
IDGAF bout Gay Row 5. But I'll never forgive Volition for pissing on IdolNinja's grave and ignoring his dying wish to finish the Saints Row 2 patch without him, they could've at least released the code he had written so far.
I only ever heard of them. I had no idea until right now what they had a hand in because I have never seen their name on any of the hundreds of games I've played.
I can now confirm they produced nothing of value unless Wikipedia is missing something and am therefore indeed happy.
I remember asking them back in the 2000s if they had any plans to make a summoner 3 since I really liked the first 2 games and they actually replied back to me and said they had nothing planned at the time. it's a shame, the summoner series wasn't really anything special but it had a pretty interesting set of lore with 2 flipping everything upside down and changing your understanding of the world entirely. volition was a really versatile developer being able to make competent games from various genres. they honestly deserve to die after becoming nothing but saints row but i will still remember their games fondly.
Really? Me?
If I'm this powerful, then tell me how to do this to Larian, Owlcat, Bethesda, Obsidian, Ubisoft, and Jerry.
Frick Jerry and his piece of shit retro platformer.
Feel really bad for them after finding out Deep Silver shot down their original more faithful SR reboot plans and brought in their own writers to ruin the project.
All of them (except for the obvious shit one) are at least good.
I'd even replay The Third over any GTA game any day of the week. Even at their worst they are still focused on making it fun to do stuff in their world.
Mostly on Switch. Sony and Microsoft have largely abandoned the notion of console exclusives, and even companies who have maintained their own launchers are starting to put games up on Steam. Nintendo is pretty much the only major company that's keeping a proprietary hold on first-party content.
eff pee bee pee
I liked Saints Row 3, but I think it's fair that it killed the studio. Especially after they reskinned it 4 times. Most studios don't try to ride the same game for a decade when it's not even worth the second go around.
this.
SR3 is as far as they should have pushed the formula.
SR4 actually had gameplay elements that stepped on all previous gameplay developed to the point it wasn't Saints Row any more. Why drive around the city when you can just fly?
And through all of those games, they never improved driving, shooting, or missions, just kept adding new crazy stuff instead.
Another openworld red faction would have slayed.
A janky development house finally ran out of juice.
I think SR3's decent sales gave Volition the wrong idea that people liked the direction it went in. Pretty much anyone that liked SR2 would have bought SR3 at launch without knowing ahead of time how radical the changes would be. And since overall the gameplay was still there people bought the DLC too once it was out. They also sold the 'Complete' edition later for peanuts which also probably inflated sales numbers.
3 was fun and certain parts of the game were beneficially streamlined. But the tonal shift was just too much, and in other aspects of the game too much was condensed or removed. It was definitely the death knell of series given its success.
>Most studios don't try to ride the same game for a decade when it's not even worth the second go around.
Bethesda and Rockstar got away with this.
Rockstar is completely different from the shitters at Bethesda
Bethesda and rockstar also had stupid numbers of copies sold across like 3 generations of consoles.
Saints row wasnt nearly that big, it wasn't even a fraction
Yeah but you can argue Skyrim and GTA V are a worthy dead horse to beat. Saints Row 3 was a stunted mule runt and Volition pulverized it into mush even though nobody wanted it.
I liked 4 more than 3, even if it is a glorified DLC.
>saints row 3 is 13 years old
whew
4 is one of the best asset flips that I have ever played
It was a dying animal, it had to be put down. I'm glad it got a quick death so it didn't have to struggle in pain and misery.
What was Agents of Mayhem if not pain an misery?
>didn't have to struggle in pain and misery.
>Gat out of hell was made
>Agents of mayhem flopped after writhing in development hell and modding support got dropped
>Saints Row Reboot was a flop and a huge laughingstock
Volition basically started screaming and crying right before being publicly executed
i'm VERY happy
10x more hilarious in hindsight
The whole hatebait marketing thing is pretty much over at the time. People already got sick of it then. Guess them marketing department didn't get the memo.
Junior marketers misunderstood Wendy's appeal. It's about being cheeky, not hostile
>people could mentally associate the snark with the company mascot
>anyone trying to do the same with Saints Row reboot would be met with a sidecut nog with a bad attitude
I don't think this marketing spin would've flown with anyone outside of maybe Johnny Gat and even that would get grating. Shaundi got such a chilly reception for that same pivot despite being the main girl. For some people once the 3rd game rolled around she turned into a raging turbo b***h. It even became a notable plotpoint where the SR2 version gave herself the title of Fun Shaundi causing a decent amount of seething from the actual Shaundi. Whatever they were thinking with that marketing spin it will continue to serve as a history lesson of what happens when this kind of half brained idea blows up in your face.
*in the fourth game
Shaundi was one of the most interesting characters in SR2 and they just turned her into a generic angry b***h. I'm still mad.
Did it ever even work? I first saw it with Ghostbusters 2016 which was a massive flop and then it seemed like tons of marketers tried to copy its formula as if it wasn't one for some reason.
i'm sure it worked once or twice but attacking the "GTA but more niche" fans was a colossally bad move seeing as normalgays barely played the last moronic entries in the series
It wasn't a "colossally" bad move, it didn't have much of a negative impact.
The reason the game flopped was because it was gay shit not because fans got upset and decided to boycott (that never worked)
At worst it sounded like out of touch people trying to sound cool, nobody outside of Ganker babies got hurt
If your game studio wants to go that route when selling their new game, your product needs to be top-notch, I mean beyond expectations shit, like GTA level of "everyone-will-buy-it-anyway" level. Without that guarantee, you better off switch your marketing tactics. Otherwise, you might as well move your company out to Chernobyl now that your brand is just as radioactive then.
Even a big franchise like Battlefield can't afford to tell its fans to frick off, they tried that with V's awful "don't like, don't buy" marketing campaign and look what happened. I think out of all games in the world, only Pokémon and GTA could get away with that kind of marketing, but the marketing teams at TPC and Take-Two still aren't moronic enough to try it. That says it all, really.
Not even Xbox could tell its customers "If you want to play offline, get an Xbox 360" Just extremely fricking stupid to go that route.
I’ve never ever understood this ‘talking down the customer’ ideology, some people say it was Wendy’s fault but it’s been around long before that, why would you ever self sabotage your marketing in such a way, who does it appeal to, Isn’t the point of marketing to lie and manipulate people for sales? promises, hype, positivity for the product, a facade of absolute satisfaction. That’s proper marketing, this shit needs to stop
It's just about having a bit of sass with cheeky people, the problem is that there a fine line between that and simply being an butthole. Clearly the moron running the saints tow twitter account didn't know that.
Hate brings higher engagement than liking things
But not more sales
three reasons. 1. thinking they're hot shit and everyone wants their game so the haters are a minority. 2. thinking that acting juvenile like that will "own the haters and garner coolness points with buyers and maybe get some other cool kids to become buyers as well". 3. millennials are fricking moronic and never learned to speak and behave properly.
>I’ve never ever understood this ‘talking down the customer’ ideology
It was funny when Wendy's did it because they were the first and they were taking jabs at people who were sorta being dicks. That Saints Row one is just disgraceful, the guy is just suggesting the game might get less hate if they took it a bit more seriously, and their response was to nosedive the entire company. morons.
Social media. The need for attention and "likes". The problem is that most of the people liking this would have never bought the game anyway, it's just random anons, and the it turns away their actual fanbase who will just disengage. It's an illusion of engagement from people outside their actual customer base.
Leftists think it's okay to shit on anyone who isn't as mentally ill as they are because sides of history or someshit. If you do not espouse their ideology - you are less than human and are not to be treated with any respect. Nu-Saints were a bunch of mystery meat leftist millenial homosexuals talking about student debts and communes. Therefore if you don't like it - you're a racist sexist transphobic gay-killing troglodyte and are only alive because the evil hwyte government prevents these stunning and brave people from lynching you.
>some people say it was Wendy’s fault but it’s been around long before that
the thing is that Wendy's knew who it could take a shit on and who it couldn't, the rest of wannabes are like pajeets on a brand new street
Wendy's also went after other corporate brands at the start, namely other fast food joints. Which was kind of enddearing to see Wendy's talking shit on Burger King.
It eventually went to just normal people, and like you said, they did a real good job of knowing who they could dunk on or not.
PR employees/companies saw that as "be sassy to customers and they'll love it" which eventually just turned to "be a b***h to customers and frick em, if they don't love it someone else will".
The dirty little secret is that it works but only if you try to upset left wingers/feminists.
If you try it the other way around those types just see that your product is still shitty and don't buy it.
Depends on what specific group of people you're trying to piss off really or whether or not the controversy it brings will be beneficial in the long run or not. GTA back in 2000s kinda worked because it pissed off a bunch of 'no fun allowed' boomers who obviously don't play games like Jack Thompson or Leland Yee. It gets a little tricky when you're trying to navigate age groups who most likely will buy your products; potential customer base like the wokes or the chuds, or if they'll buy your products when you try to piss off either group or if you go far for either of them, being hostile to the other group only to get what is basically "thanks but no thanks" sorta attitude from the people you're trying to pander.
Overall, these types of hostile/cheeky marketing are too risky and confusing to navigate nowadays. You'd be better off sticking with the conventional wisdom of universal marketing, the good old "Here's this new game with this cool gameplay and setting, go buy it!" sorta pitch.
Most of the time I'd imagine it's just the result of marketing leaning into a mess someone else has made to try to make the best they can of a bad bottom line. If you have to sell a bad product and aren't in a position to change it, pushing hate with the product will sell more than just the product itself. Sometimes it's enough to flip something into profit, but just reducing loss is better than nothing.
The people who made the product bad just didn't care about the bottom line. They'd rather feel right about their actions than successful, and nothing makes them feel more right than people they don't like telling them they're wrong. And they're largely insulated from failure because they're zealots who truly believe they did the right thing. They tend to fail upwards and will just move onto the next studio forever.
Yeah look how the justice league shit flopped remember when the catalogue was flooded with DUDE GET MAD THEY LE KILLED THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
Nobody gives a frick about rage bait marketing, shit is 2014-2016 shit
>The whole hatebait marketing thing is pretty much over at the time. People already got sick of it then. Guess them marketing department didn't get the memo.
Lmao, ofc they know.
They do it out of spite.
Marketing and "community management" is where all those far left women and diversity hire work.
>They killed themselves out of spite.
Dangerously based
they dont care
thats the problem when you are not financially tied to the client and instead you are paid by the publisher, no incentive to care
the people who get fired will be the workers, not the managers and producers and the rest of useless fricks
in fact Brian Traficante, the far left nutjob that was the games director was never fired, he somehow was left to the end when he fricked off himself, when he should have been gone the first time he started preaching marxism is his ideology on how to run a studio
Marketing's job isn't to sell your game for you; it's to make you think they sold your game for you.
I love that they backpedaled super hard on this, but it was too fricking late by then.
Get FRICKED troonie devs, get woke, go broke, die homeless
See, the funny thing is the old crew weren’t “real gangsters” either. The cast in SR3 were all just sitcom characters for unfunny millennials.
SR1 and 2 crew were real gangsters. In 3 they even have Johnny criticizing the Boss that this Saints shit is all artificial now and far removed from being gangster any more.
Within the opening cutscene, in fact. The finale of the game is to decide whether you're willing to accept life as a safe, energy-drink-selling "thug" celebrity, or whether you're willing to go to war with a corporate cabal (and by extension, their contacts in the US government) simply to kill the people who pissed you off.
if you havent replayed 1 or 2 recently i would highly recommend it, its so refreshing to watch people be unapologetic shitbags
the playa never goes on any whiny monologues about how he doesnt really want to be a bad man or any of that shit, hes a gangbanger becuase he likes it he even shuts julius down at the end of the secret mission
>Haters gonna H-AAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They fricked around and found out.
Good. Descent and Freespace were fun, SR was slop.
So does this mean Freespace can be sold to some AA dev and we might get something cool?
Frick no, we already have FreeSpace Open that lets you play campaigns from both games with tweaks and also offers a huge number of player-made campaigns including anime ones
Pretty sure Embracer Group has the IP rights for that as well. They've been eating up a lot. As it is they could theoretically have Gearbox aka the Borderlands homosexuals or Beamdog aka guilty of a number of crimes ect ect Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition homosexuals do something with it, or even have Crystal Dynamics aka the Tomb Raider, Gex, and Games As A Service Marvel Avengers slop homosexuals monetize it for "A New Audience™" these days.
Rumour has it that Embracer is going to sell Gearbox in the coming months.
kek How shit are they doing if even Embracer doesn't want them anymore? They were even willing to buy Crystal Dynamics when their neeest thing was that trash heap homosexualry Marvel's Avengers as it was failing to turn into a live service game.
I've also heard this rumor. Wouldn't be a bad call. Gearbox needs to frick off.
Apparently it's Gearbox who are publishing the Gigantic relaunch?
Which I worry for, because it's genuinely a cool game and deserves another chance.
Who even cares about the IP? Just make the game, call it Libertyspace or some shit and say it's an "homage" to an old classic.
Having the right IP would quadruple the sales of a game like that. I don't like it but that's how it is.
I don't trust any studio to do satisfying sequel to Freespace, even fan made ones are not really close. Spiritual successor would be best
Ignoring the shit characters and stupid jokes
was sants row reboot any good gameplay wise? i got that shit free thansk to timmy and i still dont even want to try it
What the do you think anon.
i played it for a couple hours and it feels like a floaty saints row 2 so far
basically take the worst parts of sr2 and the worst part of sr3/4, and you've got the reboot
which still makes for an ok game, just weaker than all previous ones
Gameplay wise it felt okay. The big problem was the entire cast sucked and were all really unlikable. I didn't care about any of them.
It's wild to me that the reboot was written by the same guy as 2 and 3.
SBI really does just turn everything they touch to shit.
>SBI
What's SBI?
I think I watched GManLives or Minimme, or both, echoed the story bits were bad, but they enjoyed the open world and the stuff there was to do.
Floaty controls, even by the standards of the series, and a bizarre fascination with pseudo-turret sections.
>was sants row reboot any good gameplay wise?
lol no, it was bland as frick
It's not bad, the side hustles and empire building portion has a bunch of fun games attached alongside a few duds.
The game is still very obviously neutered.
Well I think you're mistaken. I don't believe I'm at fault here. I am happy, thank you.
😀
Were the huzzah threads real shills or just moronic trolls?
Real shills.
HUZZ-ACK!
>"Pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall."
>replace beloved cartoon caricature of city gangsters with annoying realistic coastal city cosmopolitan college kids
Surely the core fanbase of Saints Row will like this change.
>please don't do this
>you're just a hater
OK
I'm glad they're admitting red faction armageddon was trash
lol yes I am. RIP IdolNinja
>IdolNinja
The closure of Volition just means the thing he spent the last years of his life working on will never be finished. Volition planned to return staff to the SR2 patch once the reboot reached end of service, and then Embracer shut them down right when end of service happened.
Volition also gets too much shit for what was clearly a publisher lead project every step of the way. Most I’d say Volition did was the dogshit combat.
western AAA in 2024
>suicide squad
>skuller bones
indies in 2024
>palworld
>helldivers
>balatro
>Helldiver
>indie
kek
Not arguing for or against but it was PUBLISHED not developed by playstation
At what development stage did ps even get their hands on it?
indie means not having a publisher
they are paying for it, so probably at every stage
while they are sometimes local publishing and distribution deals, having a publisher usually means you make a game for someone under their direction, basically you are owned by them for the period of that contract, they cover all operating costs in return for large profit margins or ip ownership
>Every stage
Bullshit, they published what people are saying is a Indie game, so they just swooped in at the end when it was done and gave them just enough money to keep it off of Xbox
And then were incredibly fortunate that it blew up in popularity (probably due to not having anything else to play) You know how many games Microsoft could 'publish' and keep off PlayStation if they really wanted too? Except they don't and either go all in by buying the studio and publishing all their games, paying salaries ect. I also have a feeling the last Final Fantasy Remake is coming to Xbox and that's the real reason they censored it (while advertising a more lewdly dressed Tifa at the same time) did I mention I absolutely despise this petty ass Californian company?
What do you think INDEPENDENT means?
>At what development stage did ps even get their hands on it?
When they made Helldivers 1. It's one of the first games published by Playstation PC iirc.
at the very beginning as they own the ip and funded the fricking thing
Does Sony own the IP? Thought the Magicka guys owned it.
helldivers is published by playstation
>playstation has so few games its considered an indie dev
my sides
Small indie company pls understand
yeah helldivers 2 isn't indie
Helldivers isn't indie. What we're seeing isn't the rise of small indie games, they've been selling well for ages (usually not as much as AAA games, but they also spend 1/10000th the money that AAA does), but the rise of AA games.
Watch out anon you might have to admit sony released a good game. Can't have that.
I think this just shows that gaming is in the shitter right now because those indie games aren't good either.
This just means that gaming as a whole is getting worse.
Volition is such a dogshit company, they accidentally made a fricking demon that hunts you down, and can break not only your copy of Saints Row 2, but your whole Xbox 360. Look up "The Freezer".
We miss Mike.
None of those are indie.
>Look up "The Freezer".
Holy shit that's a lot of talent at fricking up though.
the freezer isn’t real
>?
no one except godzilla and flippy have seen it for weal
it’s bogus..!!
they lied to a dying a man. frick em.
I think the Twitter replies from the studio to the fans were more comedic. especially once the studio was shut down
What went wrong with Mirror's Edge? 1 already had an Asian woman as a protagonist so having her in 2 shouldn't be a shock.
They soft rebooted it and made it way more cutscene intensive, and then they filled it with gay characters no one liked. They also made the protag uglier. Anita was joined the project for it lol.
the creator wasn't sue happy too. he tried to copywrite the word mirror.
>was
>They soft rebooted it
I think that was the real buzzkill. If you enjoyed the story so far, you'd want to see how it continues, not go through the same story (albeit reworked) again.
i guardians of the galaxy "woke" watched some reviews form some rando channels and it got decent ratings
You look drunk typing this but it wasnt that woke but it definitely had moments getting close to woke.
GotG was fine, but I could have told them they weren't getting anywhere without the likeness rights. People just don't care enough about those characters to play as Wish.com versions of them, no matter how much money you spend on the other parts.
Why does no one say this about the Spiderman games?
Gotg is fine, it's not based on the MCU which is actually a very good thing
I'd say it's because some games sell on name alone. gotg, kill the justice league and the avengers game needed the actors likeness to bait normies but obviously failed to do so
GOTG is unironically the best capeshit game we've gotten since probably Arkham City.
The story and character work is absolutely phenomenal and is miles ahead of the MCU variants.
the funniest one is the forspoken studio shutting down a month after release
It didn't shut down. It was merged with Square Enix.
That is corporate speak for they took the handful of useful people into the company and yeeted the rest.
they probably fired a bunch of them
this is actually the first /misc/ collage pics I saw that didnt include Senua from Hellblade, I dont get whats woke about her
>I dont get whats woke about her
Playing as a woman who constantly screams to make her problems go away and who's completely mentally deranged but that's actually her secret superpower and she's a powerful yaaas queean?
Yeah man couldn't tell you.
>Playing as a woman who constantly screams to make her problems go away and who's completely mentally deranged but that's actually her secret superpower and she's a powerful yaaas queean?
That's just a realistic depiction of a woman
thats what being a women is all about you moronic virgin
she was a legit schizo
that was the theme of the game
doomers btfo
How was Dead Rising 4 woke?
It’s made in Canada.
No, but seriously, I heard they renamed Psychopaths to just Psychos and then eventually just Crazies or something like that. Not exactly woke but there’s no good reason to change something like that
>Battleborn
kek remember when Randy tried to promote it by saying it did great on animation pornsites?
Give me another video game crash RIGHT NOW
>advertising your game with dead eyed mystery meat
To be honest, a lot of "woke" games would be more profitable if they marketed them with characters people want to look at.
Battleborn didn't fail because it was woke, though, it failed because it got its lunch eaten by Blizzard and Overwatch, and Randy was too stupid and stubborn to adjust the game's market strategy until it had long fallen off the public radar.
Battleborn would have died even if Overwatch was never announced or released.
It wouldn't have surprised me - the PC launch was atrocious, the UI was vomit-inducing, and it was suffering from Gearbox's patented attempts at humor. Probably would have lasted longer than it did, though.
I just wanna say, that's a remarkably self-aware, humble and introspective post from Cliff.
Legit never expected that, it's really improved him in my eyes.
Go to bed Cliff.
Also I doubt even 1% of the people that were remotely interested in the game were aware of whatever the frick political nonsense he's going on about.
The idea that the game failed because he pushed his political adgenda too hard instead of the game being a buggy mess with eye bleeding UI and some of the worst 'humor' at that peak 2016 le whacky era is insulting to the piss poor game design.
who
>Last Red Faction made 13 years ago, it was just ok
>Last actually good game was made 16 years ago
I'm pretty fricking happy I killed Volition. No need to thank me, guys.
Also - why do companies write farewell posts as if we worked there, or as if we care whether they die or not? Nobody gives a rat's fricking ass about incompetent devs who couldn't make a game after 6 tries while wasting upwards of 10 million dollars to produce slop nobody ever wanted.
people like they live in their own minds
Narcissism mostly. They probably think of it like a digital tombstone so they can try and sell the narrative that they were a good company that tried its hardest.
Looking at some threads on this board, people defend games and studios like their life depend on it. So maybe it's for those pathetic people
i ought to write my own farewell post to see if they care. yada yada i got fired yada yada my workmates were family. yada yada farewell.
Because whatever they apply to next will view their Facebook and Twitter and see that they spoke good after getting fired rather than lash out and dox their boss while simultaneously posting their bosses wife's nudes
Parasocial societ and it makes it feel like the company had a bigger impact in peoples lives than it did. But nobody will remember in 15 minutes that it happened just like the shmuck who lit himself on fire a week ago.
the funny part is in all these dev shutdown notices they reference games from the 90's which were almost exclusively made by white guy nerds kek.
By white guy nerds that haven't worked there in 10+ years other than maybe 1 writer that's still around and one dude who's like the executive president that doesn't do shit except sit in his office and collect a check.
They try to feed on that nostalgia and make us sad that the studio is shuttered but its like bro that studio has been dead for 15 years, it's just some corpse being paraded around by an infestation.
Good, now lets kill bethesda, activision, blizzard, 343, all ps slop studios.
>bethesda
not while they are under zenimax
>activision blizzard
no while they are under microsoft
>343
this one probably will happen
>ps slop
not while they are under sony
>they are under zenimax
Zenimax is Bethesda.
The company was created so Bethesda could become a publisher for smaller devs, But Zenimax was purchased by Microsoft, so they won't die until it does.
I imagine that 343 is already on the chopping block and will be quietly taken apart behind the scenes. Not like they have much to do now that the Halo IP is firmly in the toilet.
What is the summoner RPG they reference?
oh its literally called summoner.
Summoner was jankino
Honestly besides this and Freespace I don't think I liked any of their games so their loss means nothing to me
God damn, it's not that fricking hard to make San Andreas gang shit but better than R*. It wasn't always about being more than GTA, it was about beating them at their game.
they got what they deserved
Naah, their leaderships' direction fricked them over most of all. Shitposting on Ganker does jack shit.
Their last 4 released games were
>Saints Row (2022)
>Agents of Mayham (2017)
>Saints Row: Gat out of Hell (2015)
>Saints Row IV (2013)
They kept trying to coast on Saints Row's IP paying off as it did for the first 3 games. Open World games like that take a lot of time and budget and them trying to milk the same game over and over again was a powder keg waiting to burst. Most likely investors were easy to sell on another game in a series that sold well previously, but player appeal just doesn't work like that for every genre.
Quality of writing, change of what is "permissable edgyness", the original audience having grown, some possibly out of purile humour. They were fricked the moment they didn't switch to AA games to fish for their next big hit. Big companies fail because they have to.
But I did literally nothing? Am I required to buy things to keep businesses alive? Frick this gay earth.
Reads like something I would write but I don't work for PR.
Their last act was pissing on a dead man's grave they can all get fricked.
Frickwell, Frickvition, frick in hell
Go jerk yourself of in your own echo box you moronic ape. The latest game is hot garbage but there are plenty of people who loved Saints Row. This is sad news even with all the vindication. Jesus Christ can't you tortanic fricks go away faster
Nah, the developers who thought shitting out that piece of turd was acceptable honestly deserve to lose their jobs.
I didn't make it die. On the contrary, I bought the latest installment and it was fun.
That makes you a homosexual and not in the fun picrel way
are these the saints row morons?
the people in charge of these studios would rather go bankrupt than to release a game without sweet baby trash
i know its so weird. like they would rather lose their job and starve than not make trash
leftists are a strange bunch
Well you have to remember that they're the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys and this is how they fight for the diversity and validation they deserve. They're like the rebel alliance fighting against the evil empire so some casualties are to be expected.
>FPA forces right before they throw themselves into a blackhole
At least we aren't the Galactic Empire.
RIIIBERTY STANDS FO FREEEDOM
The worst part is that they genuinely see themselves like this.
Ship of Theseus. The Volition that just died isn't the same Volition that made Freespace 2. I'm just thankful its corpse isn't shambling around anymore and I hope Bioware is next.
Hopefully they'll fall apart and die reworking Dreadwolf in a post BG3 world.
>3 paragraphs
frick off
I will be when every single pozzed Propaganda machine dies
>You KILLED Volition.
It was a suicide, not a murder.
These frickers didn't even finish 2 remaster. Just shows how far they have fallen.
buh-bye homosexuals
Nice
Thank god. Latest Saints Row was a crime.
I just don't get it, you could have put any neckbeard Gankerirgin as the project lead and it would have turned out fine. It's like these companies have just been making dogshit on purpose lately
I love it when I get to kill studios simply by doing nothing!
>hehe time to pwn the heckin chu--ACK!
Goodbye homosexual company
>You did this. You KILLED Volition. I hope you're happy.
So happy the woke CM homosexual posting on Saints Row Twitter account lost their job and now living on the streets
The people they became lost sight of who they were and became hostile to their audience. I am happy this behavior was not rewarded. May they, and others, learn from their example.
sr1 and 2 were some of my favorite games
sr3 was 1 step forward and 2 steps back
sr4 wasn't saints row
everything else was trash
they had 10 years of feedback to make a good game with but chose instead to out trash themselves
99.9% chance the person who wrote this, and the people who work at the studio now, had absolutely nothing to do with Descent or Freespace. New hires of a company for some reason think they get to share in the glory of past successes even as they run said company into the ground.
This. It's just a name when the turn around time on employees is one project and its disgusting to take credit for games developed long before they were hired. Hopefully the hacks making the decisions will leave the industry now with the mass layoffs, but for ~~*some*~~ reason I doubt it
sweet baby inc
I'm just doing my part
It's not like they were ever going to make anything good again.
>we'd be nothing without the community we immediately turned our backs on when they didn't like our dogshit franchise reboot!
Frick 'em
They can all burn for their role in letting the Saints Row 2 patch die. I have a lot of people on my shit list and I genuinely hope everyone on it suffers for letting our guy's dying wish be snuffed out
Volition was just the first of many.
They will all be punished for revering the golden calf
Why did SBI consulting, ESG investment and leftist media save them?
SR4 is crackdownkino and I'm tired of pretending it's bad because it stopped being a gayass gta clone
I know. I am.
Total Wokeslop Death.
Volition killed Volition.
God dammit I wanted you to go back to making good games, not fricking die
What big studio has ever gone back to making good games after releasing several terrible ones?
All you had to do was make guerilla 2 and it all would've ran like clockwork
But no, you just had to be the man. You and your pride and your ego.
I do think it's a shame. Obviously an inevitability after the last entire decade of trash, but a shame.
Old school Volition is one of the best devs there ever was.
Descent 1/2, Freespace 1/2, Red Factoin. Saint's Row 1/2, Red Faction Guerilla. It was pretty much all hits for over a decade with the only real exception being Red Faction 2. I still think Freespace 2 was the single best videogame ever made.
It's a shame volition went down the shitter, but it's not a shame it shut down when it did. It was a husk, any trace of that old school volition was long dead by the time the saints row reboot came out.
They actually had some of the key leaders come back midway through the saint's row reboot development, but the studio was too gutted and corporatized by that point presumably.
Go woke go Broke.
every the time i see this kind of news it brings me tons of joy.
Volition killed Volition
>Have sustainable dedicated fanbase
>Intentionally and repeatedly do the exact opposite of what they want
>Go bankrupt
Leftist devs are so weird. They pride themselves on empathy, but will put hundreds out of work for a few cheap virtue signals into the void.
>You did this
But... I don't work for Sweet Baby.
Go woke go broke
FreeSpace 3 never ever and that's a good thing holy shit we dodged a bullet there
Honestly I feel they would frick it up if they had chance even years ago. They have bad track record with sequels. They can do only 1 or 2 good games from series
And so, the undisputed king of space gigakino lives on forever, with nothing that will ever stain its legacy.
I kneel.
I salute my fellow Second Incursion veterans.
BluePlanet 2 was already too political for my tastes.
While it's a bitter pill to swallow, thank fricking God.
>REQUIRES 3D Acceleration
If this came out today people would be shitting and whining like they do for anything needing an RTX card or better.
You're welcome
those tweet jpgs are the laziest shit ever. like a coward's suicide note. nobody fricking cares bro, frick off and die
the studio that got shitcanned was not the Volition that I care about. Same with Naughty Dog, same with Blizzard, same with Rocksteady Games.
They lose key people who make them that they are? They deserve to be executed.
Haida was a giga homosexual for rejecting her holy shit
I won’t watch the second season of show after learning about that episode
Volition died a decade ago, then was worn as a skinpuppet by people who hate their main demographic
that Summoner video is the only time my sister and I ever laughed at the same thing.
Really Embracer Group killed Volition with their bad decisions after ending up eith them and their IPs.
Wokies go brokies
Didn't read.
too bad rockstar won't suffer the same fate even after they went full woke. morons will still buy woke theft auto 6.
Rockstar is a lot more powerful than Volition ever was but they will still meet their demise after the release of GTA6. Screencap this.
wienerstar already has bad rep among anyone but mexican kids for forsaking GTAV expansions, RDR2 expansions, all the cut content from RDR2, mexico, etc. in favor of GTA online trash. They don't even have the people who made RDR2 good anymore.
posts like this always make me laugh and remind me how woefully out of touch most of Ganker is.
Nah they killed themselves through incompetence.
Good. The last worthwhile Saints Row game was 2.
>mentioned the fact that 'yeah we know we ignored you when it comes to Red Faction and Saints Row'
I'm usually very empathetic but I just can't be here. They deserve it. They really do. I love both those series and they had to change them both fundamentally despite the fan's cries.
they made a game so bad that it murdered a cancer patient
everyone should watch this and channel the rage needed to spontaneously gib the devs in their homes right now, they shit on a dead mans legacy a man who dedicated his final moments to trying to make sure we got good vidya again. RIP IDOLNINJA
FRICK I WAS SO MAD I FORGOT LINK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56akjq3YKRQ
I did this and I'll do it again
Shoulda made games for me instead of twtiter
When GTA became the "serious" game Saints Row was there.
When Saint's Row became the "goofy" game Sleeping Dogs was there.
And then there was nothing.
Saints Row 4 is more than 10 years old
1995 was 50 years ago
Remarks such as "why didnt they make another freespace?" were also not uncommon, but im not the one closing a failed studio i suppose
I won!
The biggest take away from this was the top execs and trannies were completely woke morons and stifled all the development for years and they even scammed the parent company out of money to make a shitty game until they got found out and replaced.
I didn't do this, but I wish I did it sooner
Volition put out some great games (Descent, Freespace, Red Faction, Punisher, Saints Row 2) but they had started to decline LOOOOONG before they made that shitty Saints Row reboot.
Go woke go broke
mfw
Just remembered to make matters worse this means they won't be finishing that cancer guys SR2 PC project like they said they would
>to make matters worse
from what we've seen, perhaps it's for the best
>from what we’ve seen
Everything we saw of the patch looked good moron.
>implying they had any plans to do that to begin with
They tossed IdolNinja's work into the trash the very second he died lol
They held the idea of a "SR2 patch" hostage to hope itll make people buy zoomer row to maybe get it one day
It was never happening
>You did this. You KILLED Volition
I'm pretty based!
I imagine we all are to some degree, never wasted a cent on this trash
That interview with a former Volition developer showed they only made the reboot cause they had no other choice and that they'd rather have it flop than have it appeal to their old problematic and toxic fans. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
I hate how almost every company gave up on making GTA clones. It's like there's on really good pizzeria in your town, so the 3-4 other pizza shops close shop. So now you're only stuck with one pizzeria.
in this case its a pizzeria that used to make great pizza but now feels like theyre just going through the motions cause the lack of competition and their huge ego gained from everyone blowing smoke up their ass has made them stagnant. gta 4 has basically solidified the modern rockstar mission design principle but in all that time they never figured out how to make their cinematic shit any more fun to play, it's embarrassing
Go woke
Get broke
I hope all the SJW pandering trash follow then
S
All they had to do was make GTA: Fun Allowed Edition and they've be making money hand over fist.
But no, they had to go purple wieners and woke shit. Saints Row 3+ killed them.
Violation deserve it for 10 years of bad decisions
>ran saints row to a point of no return
>Do agents of mayhem a shit online game that flops
>fail to patch pc version of saints row 2
>Do shitty remasters of 3 and 4
>try to reboot saints row in the worse way possible that appeals to no one
They deserve no pity
>Do shitty remasters of 3 and 4
What is wrong with SR3 and SR4 remaster (other than it is still SR3 and SR4)?
terrible graphics overhaul that ruins lighting and character looks, terrible performance, no bug fixes, and 4 remaster literally broke older versions of the game
There's no reason to remaster games from the ps3/x360 era. Gaming hasn't changed much since then.
Tell that guys who remastered Last 2 of Us 2
You are legitimately blind.
>some goon
He deserved it.
Yeah I am happy wokies got what they deserved.
>never fulfilled the promise they made to dying idolninja to patch sr2 for pc
they're all going to hell
Yes, i'm happy!
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I wish painful death to all woketards and corporate shills
>You did this. You KILLED Volition. I hope you're happy.
As a matter of fact, I absolutely am.
>make a studio-killing flop
>it kills the studio
wow...
Get fricked
I can't believe the Chinese gaming industry will overtake America within the decade.
What they get for not making more Summoner games for me.
The only game they made I genuinely enjoyed was the first Red Faction and even that might be mostly due to nostalgia.
Frick that bomb defuse bullshit at the end though
who is this
Dont worry about it
>small wiener gesture
How has she not been killed
She's requesting, not mocking.
It's the generic plastic asiatic #478987523
The "stealth" section can also go frick itself.
>"Remember all these things? We made those. Bet you feel bad about not buying our dogshit garbage now, huh?"*
>(*all of these things were made by people who have long since either left the company or been fired in the past 20 years and if even 1% of the original people remain they were thoroughly brainwashed to make sure they had the correct opinions on the right side of history)
I hope nobody from Volition ever gets work again.
>(You) killed Volition
sweet baby did it
Yes I am.
>that time Capcom blamed its audience for their decision not to pursue MML3
>make Black person games instead of Freespace 3
They can rot in hell.
OH NO!
Anyways
>make shit product on purpose
they did it to themselves
SR3 sucked and they have sucked ever since, I'm glad.
yes but THE MASSEGE
Insomniac is basically dead tho, stuck with Marvel shit for the next 10 years while Sony stomps their neck to make sure they don't spend 300M+ and upset their investors when the revenue falls short of their expectations
>Spend millions for Sweet Baby Inc's help
>Focus point on Miles' Puerto Rican heritage
>Still get the Puerto Rico flag mixed up with the Cuban flag
Consultants are con artists, anon.
>consultants
The "con" is in the word after all.
Today I will make them remember
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who the frick did those cringelords thing this would appeal to
themselves, it's all narcissism
/thread
This post explains why they truly failed
They don't create for others but to suck themselves off.
And this is how Volition would end their game more than 20 years before
>84% off sale
Grim
absolutely. morons deserved everything they got
I didn't even play Saint's Row
Being reminded that Volition died because of that god-awful reboot really boosts my confidence for today
They could've hired me for a fraction of the sum they paid their woke PR team to tell them it wouldn't work
wokies get the ropies
good. every garbage dev should die.
the fricking reboot has worse driving and shooting than the original , and I'm playing it with a mouse and keyboard using an emulator, what a colossal frick up
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/SaintsRowFranchiseSale2024
Like clockwork. Don't contribute to their woke work forces severance packages
They were warned before the game came out, they refused to listen to reason. They killed themselves.
so "voting with my wallet" DOES work!
>stop respect rape women
Why do you think you get such notable reactions when you say "vote with your wallet"? Cause it works, and they hate that. That's why they'll layer on every insult and spin the narrative of hate groups. "it failed cause group a, b, and c" their only card is to play victim, because they know they're being caught and called out for their bullshit.
They never even realize the contradiction in "you're just a small bunch of nerds, the industry grew up, we don't have to pander to you anymore" and "this small group of nerds whining on the internet caused our game/movie/show to flop, frick those nitpicky buttholes".
When there’s a game I really like, I give a few copies to my friends for free just cause I’ll buy multiple anyway. I am stuffing the ballot box and trannies cannot compete.
>stop respect rape women
now i understand what femoids feel when a pajeet tells them to show bobs vagene
No, they killed themselves by releasing a product that didn't appeal to anyone.
CAN I GET A HUZZAH
Fun fact: Only 20% of the people who worked on SR1 and 2 worked on SR3. I bet none of the original team were in the development of SReboot.
their only good game was red faction and they went backwards on destruction of terrain
so good i'm happy they are dead , they should have died 20 years ago when rf2 released
good riddance
these gays deserved it
maybe if they made a good game and didn't at like immature children to long time fans/critics on Twitter
tl;dr
why would you have this ugly dog saved on your pc
Huh? Literally who? I recognize the games they listed but who the frick is Volition??
die b***h die hahaha
Funny they reference Descent, Freespace and Summoner, all games from 20+ years ago, back when they were good and probably no one who worked for Volition in that day is still employed there.
No, frick you, you don't get to have those, the company that died is the one who made the moronic californian zoomer gta clone and that's what you will be remembered for.
That is about as intimidating as lettuce.
lmfao who actually thinks this looks good? the company deserved to go under
Man. I'd love to know for the future, how do I be self conscious enough so that if I ever get to make a vidya with cutscenes I'd be able to differentiate something that's good from something that I animated and wrote therefore that's good enough?
Maybe, just maybe, use your own standards as a customer and force your own game to meet those standards, if you don't do that you're just making games to entertain yourself instead of an actual game meant for others to enjoy
>not debra wilson
>crazy cat lady in her young years
>steve urkel looking wannabe
>dude that's probably gay because it's less problematic that way
imagine being so bad at character design you make gat out of hell look good in comparison
>cat
>doing any kind of real damage in an actual fight
There's a reason people have guard DOGS. Because large domestic dogs are actually capable of killing someone, frick even a mid range dog would be more useful here, I thought that was a Shiba for a second, which still would've been dumb, but it would've been better than a fricking cat
dogs are problematic
The cat is the most intimidating one there
I'm convinced the people who made this were people who posted on tumblr during its peak but were ignored and hated by everyone else on tumblr.
Making saints row 3 inferior to 2 killed them more than anything else
If they focused on online coop in an open world instead of
>Lol! Le wacky Dildo bat!! XDDD they would have been at the top of the industry next to GTAV/GTAO
SR3 is what gave the series mainstream success, but that's fickle. You can see it in the way Bethesda went from Skyrim, a huge success by all definitions of the word (unless you're a Morrowind or Oblivion fan) to Starfield, a game that had zero lasting impact and is only really liked by the most hardcore of nu-Bethesda fans.
If they actually tried to appeal to SR2 fans again, I don't doubt they would've at least enjoyed enough success to not get killed by Embracer. Even just fixing up the PC patch would've given them enough goodwill to keep going for a while. They literally made the worst choices possible for the studio, and from what we know from interviews with formers devs, they did it purely to spite SR2 fans. That kind of dedication is, if nothing else, impressive.
Volition story is insane, lots of the dev team didn't even wanted to make Saints Row 1 back in the day. It was a studio with constant friction between themselves, I guess that's why their portfolio was so diverse.
Hearing this makes it look like the woke thing wasn't the issue but the internal management and the embracer fiasco. They could have survived a change of tone.
All this aside, I won't ever forget that they didn't continued Idol Ninja's Saints Row 2 Remastered project.
>internal management
It is almost entirely this. The Saints Row 4 that we got was originally a DLC for 3 titled "Enter the Dominatrix" while the 4th that was being worked on was meant to be a bit more of a return to roots but adding Red Faction type destruction. Because the team couldnt get the Red Faction destruction working in a way that management saw as fun they scrapped the whole project and made the DLC the sequel. This was also to ensure that they released on 7th gen before 8th gen launched so they didn't have to upgrade their game to match 8th gen standards.
This fat frick Jim is responsible for that decision and also is the genius behind the reboot.
The original Saints Row 4 was going to be the Saints versing gangs made up of Egyptians, Mongolians and Stalinists lead by clones of Cleopatra, Ghengis Khan and Joseph Stalin. It was all going to take place in a new city as well. https://youtu.be/v3-hDAeDfFw?si=5a8-Cb7ZOK9ZGRUs&t=2325
>company who killed a dying man's effort of preserving and improving his favorite game for the community and fans
>company dies themselves later after basically spitting on said fans
like pottery
Game devs that go out of business in this day and age where people are even more braindead consumers are just:
Incompetent
Mismanaged by incompetent managers
Deliberately sabotaged.
by the time these developers close doors, the soul has already been gone a long time ago
This. However the soul comes from the devs who were the creative backbone and often times all the people who mattered and cared are long gone.
I have no doubts all the people who were making the creative decisions for the Saints Row reboot had absolutely nothing to do with the old titles. And the one guy who still cared got fricked over and didn't live to see the fruits of his effort go through. It's fricking sad.
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Thank you
It's been dead for awhile. This just makes it official
I want to kill rocksteady now
Give it to me straight, what about Bebop?
You're gonna carry that weight.
Did Suicide Squad franchise ever produced anything other than a dud. The movie failed, the comics failed, the game failed. Who is still pumping money into this, it isn't gonna be a thing.
The 2nd movie just titled "Suicide Squad" directed by James Gunn is legit a great movie. I don't know how well it did.
Bombed terrible because they released it during the plannedemic on HBO Max and theaters simultaneously.
Good movie though.
The Harley Quinn show on HBO Max is pretty well receieved but that's not Suicide Squad, that's just Harley.
Also the Ostrander run of Suicide Squad comics is legit pretty good.
It's bizare as frick that they keep trying to push the Suicide Squad concept though. 2 live action movies, 2 animated movies, and a couple of tangentially related Harley things in the Harley Quinn/Bird of Prey movie and TV-MA Harley show on HBO/Max
>It's bizare as frick that they keep trying to push the Suicide Squad concept though
It's their current attempt to spin up another cinematic universe after the first one failed horribly
>It's bizare as frick that they keep trying to push the Suicide Squad concept though
Disney is also now trying it with the Thunderbolts movie
No they're not. Not even remotely on the same scale. There's one single Thunderbolts movie slated and nothing else related to the project in any other media.
And people seem to forget that GOTG was a group of literal who nobodies that no one knew of other than diehard comic fans that were super into Giffens/DNAs cosic marvel around 06 that kicked off with Annihilation, so marvel trying it again with Thunderbolts isn't some crazy idea that has no basis for an attempt.
Suicide Squad has failed on like 4 seperate occasions, 5 if you include the game, and they're STILL trying to push it as this big thing that everyone is excited about. It's like the head of WB or whatever legitimately has a hardon for the Suicide Squad brand and won't let it go. That's the only thing I can remotely assume is happening because that's all that makes sense.
Wouldn't be the first time a suit developed a fixation on a subfranchise and tried to push it in the face of overwhelming customer disinterest. For a while, one of the bigwigs at Marvel kept trying to sell the Inhumans as the next big thing (because the X-Men rights were still out on loan), despite the fact that literally no one likes or cares about the Inhumans.
The Inhumans thing made sense though because like you said, they didn't have the movie distribution rights to the X-Men at the time, and it was peak MCU. So they tried to literally replace the X-Men with Inhumans in both the comics and in the MCU as a "frick you" to Fox. The minute they merged with Fox and the X-Men distribution was back under Disney/Marvel, the Inhumans fricked off and have basically been completely absent from the comics and the MCU.
That's different than whoever the frick keeps greenlighting these SS projects even though all but one of the 5 (now 6) of them has been a failure.
>that time they had the Inhumans genociding mutants and tried to spin it as the X-Men being the bad guys
Shit was hilarious and everyone hated it because everyone loves the X-Men and barely anyone gives a shit about the Inhumans.
They did The X-Men so dirty, I was hoping Cyclops succeeded at killing off the Inhumans
>Due to frickery, two massive clouds of terrigen gas are released into Earth's atmosphere
>These clouds float across the globe, killing any mutant caught in them
>Research determines that if left unchecked, the clouds will saturate the entirety of Earth's atmosphere, rendering it uninhabitable by mutants
>Inhumans refuse to do anything about this because they consider terrigen sacred
>Kamala Khan: wHo aRe tHe gOoD gUyS hErE?
Why does Marvel even bother trying to write these shitty Versus lines?
>Why does Marvel even bother trying to write these shitty Versus lines?
Because the only comics that sell well anymore (and the only ones that have sold well for the last 20+ years really) are mega crossover event comics and newly minted #1s which are very easy to roll out as a result of said mega crossover events.
There's a few exceptions here and there with the super popular characters or the mega allstar authors, but there's outliers in every stat.
I don't like it, not because it's a bad movie or anything, but because his success at making colorful action-comedies with somewhat immoral protagonists is probably the reason the Borderlands movie is getting made, and I can't forgive that.
>5,000+ positive reviews
>only 300 players
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I get a boner from cute morons
It makes me feel superior
Feels good man.
30 years thrown away for some woke good boi points to appeal to twitter tards.
Absolute clowns.
Volition screwed Volition
You're welcome, Ganker.
You can only blame yourself for shooting yourself in the foot.
Idolninja rolling in his grave
They were talking so much shit right before their latest ESG dumpster fire. Good riddance.
Could've made Freespace 3, a genre they are adept at and is almost comically underutilized so much so that there are people paying thousands of dollars to a conman so they can scratch that itch.
Nah man gotta make something nobody needs nor wants and just capitilize on that.
It's both tragic and pathetic
No I didn't, Volition killed themselves. They had Red Faction Guerilla and Saints Row 2 at basically the same time, then they totally fricked up Red Faction by removing all of the open world and destruction physics and started pushing Saints Row too far. I still liked SR3 and SR4 but instead of having a steady series they wanted to make every game a big leap over the previous and by SR4 they were already bastardising gameplay elements to try and make it work.
So they went from two strong series during the 7th console gen to uh... nothing by the 8th gen. We got an attempt to make a Hero Shooter that was pretty mediocre (not even terrible just not great) and some Red Faction remasters. All of the money from these two games got pumped into a fricking terrible Saints Row reboot and then embracer pulled the plug. Because Volition had nothing left to remaster and no series with any legs. Both times they tried to make something new it flopped and they had lost basically all fan goodwill.
>the original vision for Saints Row 5 was to retcon all the alien plot of ST4
>the gang did become president of the USA but they ruined America to Idiocracy levels
>Steelport would be post-apocalyptic dystopia, and rival gangs would be like Mad Max lunatics, even more, freaky shit and consumerism satire
>it was all scrapped because they wanted to appeal to a younger crowd, that is why they rebooted
That sounds like it could have been cool
>wanted to appeal to a younger crowd
Maybe they should have done that instead of appealing to no one
Gen X and Millennials are so out of touch with zoomers it's unreal. The shit in Saints Row 2022 reminds me of Boomers making rap songs about abstinence and staying away from drugs in the 90s.
Why not appeal to their target audience? Its not like we're in our 90s and about to fricking die, we'd have stuck with it for years if the output actually tried to be good.
>Why not appeal to their target audience?
what target audience; SR3 crowd? SR2 crowd? Or the newfound SR4 + GAT OUT OF HELL?
You say it like they are mutually exclusive. I didn't like 4 quite as much as 2/3 but they were still all fun to play through with friends.
>fun with friends
Poking roadkill with a stick is fun with friends. Worst excuse for a shit game design.
Saints Row development is Volition not understanding its own audience. They were rewarded for it at first but this is what happen eventually
Because budgets are growing too much and companies are desperate to find "more audiences". Same reason so many companies sucked china's dick (because chinese were an underutilized audience)
everything after 2 was fricking stupid
2 was moronic as well
you're moronic
>Make shit game only to pander to a certain crowd
>Act hostile when you get called out as only pandering to that certain crowd
>That certain crowd doesn't really play games they just like to be pander to
>Game doesn't sell
>Lose your job
kek
you forgot
>get paid 100k a year
>when you get mass laidoff get a nice half a year payout
>jump to the next studio to repeat the process
big fish from voltion already set up Shapeshifter Games from all the money they got out of Embracer, wont be long before they find another out of touch publisher like Sony
>get paid 100k a year
>when you get mass laidoff get a nice half a year payout
>jump to the next studio to repeat the process
Im pretty sure this is the m/o of every big fish in the industry. If you are lead or a higher position, you just hop studios and milk them dry. New studio = new investors. Just milk them dry give yourself a nice bonus and move on. And even if you fail, now you have more experience to sell to the next studio.
Reminder that a israeli CEO has more in common with the average israelite than with a white CEO.
>Freespace
>Saints Row 2
>Red Faction Guerilla
These are the only good games Volition ever made.
Freespace 1 and 2. Saints Row 2 and Red Faction 1
If the people that were involved in the games like Descent, Freespace and OG SRs were already gone from the studio, I don't care that the studio died. If the OG devs did have a hand in the more recent garbage games, I don't care that the studio died.
>the people at voalition
>truly special
>wonderful people
>we are amazing
typical liberalgays stroking their own egos till the ship sinks to the bottom of that ocean.
I have never played a Saints Row """game""".
Do you people actually want another industry crash? Is there truly nothing in this current industry worth saving in your eyes?
what is worth saving in your eyes?
Yes. Next question.
Anything worth saving will survive a crash.
I don't know of anyone who thinks corporations as large as AAA devs are a good thing these days. The only ones who approve of this shit are the filthy rich CEOs themselves and their investors who want infinite growth.
A AAA crash will somewhat correct the industry even if we permanently lose some devs/publishers to mobile.
I'll be face down in a ditch somewhere by the time TESVI comes out and that isn't looking too good either. Fallout is basally dead at this point and I'm not interested in anything else from the AAA space. Outside of a handful of indies the outook is pretty grim.
Anybody clinging to hope for TESVI is moronic anyways. It will be a sequel to a 17 year old game made by a studio that hasn't released a truly outstanding game for those 17 years.
>Do you people actually want another industry crash?
Yes
>Is there truly nothing in this current industry worth saving in your eyes?
Anything worth saving will survive the crash, think of it like a purge
>Is there truly nothing in this current industry worth saving in your eyes?
I like paraslop games and they have enough paypigs to survive any crash
AAA tho? Not a single thing worthy of saving for more than a decade now
why are AAA companies so entitled, most of them have also only made a single good game which has allowed them to grow big and then just pure fail releases
I am very happy.
They destroyed themselves by spitting, puking and shitting in the face of the fans.
They got what they deserved.
And I'd do it again.
Globohomos and trannies killed Volition. Volition killed Volition.
They haven't made a single good game since SR3. They should've been gone long time ago.
>You KILLED Volition.
I don't play nor care about westoid devs and hardly remember their names so who?
>I hope you're happy.
Westoids devs dying are always based so yes, I am.
I just want you guys to know that the general consensus before voalition dropped the abomination that was Saints Row Reboot was that SR3 was better than 2 because it sold more.
who?
I'm a white man and they said their new game wasn't for me.
>go woke
>go broke
literally never heard of them and their games
> I hope you're happy.
i am, actually.
>Sometime it's easier to remember the games more than the studio that built them.
If nobody can link your studio to a game, you must be pretty notorious for making dumpster fires.
killing studios is a small price in stopping the gays
No. They said it to themselves by making shit games, not appealing to their consumerbase and hating on their consumers
AmI supposed to feel bad for a bunch of mentally ill transexual leftists whose only goal being in the video game industry is to ruin video games
GET FRICKED YOU homosexual moron SUBHUMAN CIRCUS FREAKS, TAKE YOUR FAT homosexual Black folk WITH YOU, YOU WONT BE MISSED
GO GROOM MORE MENTALLY ILL homosexualS INTO MUTILATED FREAKS SO SHITSKINS CAN GET A LAUGH, DISCORD Black personhomosexualS
Volition killed themselves with Saints Row TT. And then one more time with Saints Row 4. And then one more time with Gat Out of Hell. And then one last time with whatever the frick that reboot was supposed to be. No, not that one, the one before. I can’t even remember what it’s called. Some bullshit superhero spy nonsense. I don’t think a single person bought that game
>And then one last time with whatever the frick that reboot was supposed to be. No, not that one, the one before. I can’t even remember what it’s called. Some bullshit superhero spy nonsense.
Agents of Mayhem, the game they said had nothing to do with SR but was filled with references and SR characters
IDGAF bout Gay Row 5. But I'll never forgive Volition for pissing on IdolNinja's grave and ignoring his dying wish to finish the Saints Row 2 patch without him, they could've at least released the code he had written so far.
I only ever heard of them. I had no idea until right now what they had a hand in because I have never seen their name on any of the hundreds of games I've played.
I can now confirm they produced nothing of value unless Wikipedia is missing something and am therefore indeed happy.
No, bad business decisions killed Volition. I just refused to elongate it by throwing away money on those decisions.
Why are devs the most entitled people? Even more than Hollywood directors.
AAA devs are made out of pretentious gays who hates video games
They're made of rejects who couldn't get into Hollywood
They are lobotomized by upper management to believe bigoted gamers are the problem, not the upper management.
Yes.
Feels like a perfect frick around, found out situation.
rip
Go woke
Get broke
>volition made descent
yeah but not you
>volition made freespace
yeah but not you
>volition made that summoner rpg
yeah but not you
Do you remember remake cringe shilling here?
Kino
Huzzahbro had a hard life
They died on their own Volition
nig
Da Nang
Nickolas Kaig. Checkmate, atheist.
>I hope you're happy.
Yes, i am. Thanks
reminder that they did NOT use sweet baby inc's consultation despite the steam group listing saints row as being so
>I hope you're happy
I am. Good guys won.
Volition was already dead to me since they never started developing Summoner 3.
They still managed to count to three one more time than valve.
uh-oh.. it just went mainstream
This could have been avoided if they made a summoner 3.
What the schway?
I remember asking them back in the 2000s if they had any plans to make a summoner 3 since I really liked the first 2 games and they actually replied back to me and said they had nothing planned at the time. it's a shame, the summoner series wasn't really anything special but it had a pretty interesting set of lore with 2 flipping everything upside down and changing your understanding of the world entirely. volition was a really versatile developer being able to make competent games from various genres. they honestly deserve to die after becoming nothing but saints row but i will still remember their games fondly.
I just felt sorry for ChipCheezum, the man didn't deserve to fall into the pit that was Volition's twilight years.
Lmao that little runt deserves anything bad after dipping his stick into that crazy b***h wife of his
>I hope you're happy.
Yes, very
The industry needs a council of chuds to oversee it. They have been able to successfully detect and predict goyslop failure with near 100% accuracy.
"Four out of five economists didn't predict the last crash. The one that did had been predicting it for eight years running."
>You did this. You KILLED Volition. I hope you're happy.
Lol go woke, get broke
Peeminists btfo
I'll just keep playing Red Faction 1 and fapping to pictures of obese women, thanks.
the modern video game industry only exists to ruin and humiliate old intellectual properties
you reap what you sow
You could have just bought the reboot you dumb mother frickers.
based. never felt so much power and so alive in my life. didn't know we had it in us, lads!
Go woke go broke
The first Saint's Row game was one of the worst pieces of shovelware I've ever experienced. Franchise was always shit.
Nah you got sh*t taste m8
>You did this. You KILLED Volition. I hope you're happy.
Actions have consequences. Poke the bull and get the horns.
Really? Me?
If I'm this powerful, then tell me how to do this to Larian, Owlcat, Bethesda, Obsidian, Ubisoft, and Jerry.
Frick Jerry and his piece of shit retro platformer.
They killed mikes dream, we killed them
just fair
They killed themselves, if they had focused on making good games and not garbage and then doubling down on it maybe we wouldn't be here.
make shitty games, end up insolvent.
the math isn't hard.
you act like there isn't a direct link to the two
not a single good game made
nothing of value lost
Feel really bad for them after finding out Deep Silver shot down their original more faithful SR reboot plans and brought in their own writers to ruin the project.
Saints Row 4 was great.
All of them (except for the obvious shit one) are at least good.
I'd even replay The Third over any GTA game any day of the week. Even at their worst they are still focused on making it fun to do stuff in their world.
Have there been games that became successful recently that have non been released on steam?
That 30% cut from profits is starting to look massive
Mostly on Switch. Sony and Microsoft have largely abandoned the notion of console exclusives, and even companies who have maintained their own launchers are starting to put games up on Steam. Nintendo is pretty much the only major company that's keeping a proprietary hold on first-party content.
I'm only upset that we won't get quality like this any more
not reading of that shit
not even using read out loud technology either homie
frick you