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You didn't free 7000 vampires because you felt sorry for them right anon? you can't possibly be that stupid
>no way to become a vampire and shaft Cazador and become ascendant yourself
Just be astarion
I have no desire to be a whiny b***h, thanks though.
>be paladin
>put the homosexual through the ritual so I can get rid of 7k vampires
>oath broken
what a homosexual game
you don't break your oath if you save Astarion's siblings but kill the other vampires, at least for oath of vengeance
why the frick would I save any vampire
It's probably because you let Astarion go through the ritual and become a gigachad vampire which is evil according to your oath.
>letting one homosexual get +1d10 dmg to his attack in exchange for obliterating 7k vampires from this world is evil
moronic homosexualry.
Also, I killed the homosexual right after when I talked to the vampire hunter.
Good thing oaths are meaningless and it only cost me 1k gold to get my powers back.
Stop being moronic, Astarion literally becomes a power hungry demigod because of the ritual. Just because he doesn't melt heads in combat for the sake of not breaking the game doesn't mean he isn't one. He becomes as dangerous as Sarevok at his peak and you helped creating him so it shouldn't come as a surprise that your God dislikes that.
>he becomes as dangerous as a lvl 15 fighter with 18 str
wow
He becomes fricking nothing, all he gains is a bigger bite and immunity to sunlight which he already has. You'd have to be so fricking clueless and moronic to call him a demi god, holy shit. I literally killed him effortlessly right after.
You're such a moronic homosexual.
>break oath
>have the exact same power but worse
yeah okay
You have never played dnd
You weren't even born when I bought my first D&D book
d-daddy?!
>all he gains is a bigger bite and immunity to sunlight which he already has
Anon, do you really not understand that the power he acquired is greater and more comprehensive in-universe than what it translates to in gameplay?
....no.
same shit with Raphael.
>can broker all these ebic deals
>is a total b***h in-game
if you can't fight, you ain't a god.
also can you kill Assy man after ascending him in some epic boss fight? otherwise frick it.
>hehehe, I can get rid of your tadpole…. in exchange for your soul!
>okay, do it
>actually no… but eventually you’ll beg me to help you!
>btw my help is freeing some random alien you met 5 mins ago
Amazing writing
>>btw my help is freeing some random alien you met 5 mins ago
i swear to god the end game is so fricking gay. I hate everyone in it.
Doesn't It also remove his need for blood? Shouldn't it also give him a bunch of levels? Are there even any rules for ascended vampires in 5e?
>can walk in sunlight
>don’t need to drink blood
is he even a vampire at that point
It's not. In univers it just makes him have full control over vampire spawns and immunity to sunlight. That's literally nothing. He won't even make it into the top 100 threats in Faerun.
Thats because theres well over a 100 liches
hard to say, if this was 3.5 he'd probably have a mean template added
Yeh I let them go because some other choice made me break my oath and I was tired of reloading the saves so off they went to the underdark. I just want to keep my misty step lmao not my problem now
oaths are just power limiters anyway
the oathbreaker knight is correct
Their is no compromises or grey areas on your oath moron you broke it for allowing a obviously evil ritual to happen even.
>""evil"" ritual that get rids of 7k vampires at the cost of literally nothing bad happening
uh huh
I guess this brain of the average bg3 enjoyer at work. Just swallowing terrible writing.
It made a clearly evil person stronger.
and he got killed 30 seconds later by vampire hunters
on top of the ritual not doing anything compared to the 12 levels and shit ton of magical gear I gave him through out the game.
You're a moronic homosexual with a brain rotten by STDs trying to justify terrible writing and that's hilarious.
Imagine thinking you can still be a paladin by freeing thousands fricking vampires instead of killing them all.
You had no Idea what the full extent of the ritual Could have granted when it happened. your using knowledge you gained after the fact to justify your actions.
You literally spend dozens of hours prior to the ritual finding out exactly what it does and how it works you stupid homosexual.
Yes and its all clearly not things a self respected paladin would allow a evil being to gain.
He gains literally nothing and lost his life. No evil has happened, countless lives got saved. You're going circles justifying terrible writing because your small brain rotten by homosexualry is literally incapable of thinking 2 steps ahead.
He killed seven thousand vampires that's a evil act even if they are vampires dipshit. Letting evil commit evil regardless of who its towards and if its ultimately pointless is still evil moron. stop bringing moral relativity into palidins you had a oath and you broke it because you thought it was for the greater good which yes a paladin would do if necessary but don't pretend it did not break the oath
Paladins kill evil people all the time
>He killed seven thousand vampires that's a evil act even if they are vampires dipshit.
You are the most moronic D&D poser I have ever seen. You almost deserve some kind of certificate for having said something so fricking moronic.
It's not killing vampires that is evil, it is making astarion (an evil vampire) more powerful and completing an unholy ritual that breaks your oath. You can kill 7000 vampires if you want and not break your oath, paladins don't give a shit about that part
>that breaks your oath
it doesn't though, it especially doesn't break the oath of vengeance.
By allowing them to complete the ritual you are showing them a temporary mercy which is against the oath regardless of your reasons for doing so.
Peak moronic mental gymnastic
your the one using gymnastics to justify breaking your oath it only has 4 tenants its not complicated or anything YOU CANNOT SHOW MERCY is cut and dry no matter your mental gymnastics and letting him use a magic ritual to make himself stronger even if its ultimately futile is 100% a act of mercy.
And yet I've spent 100+ hours of gameplay leveling him up, giving him artefacts and healing him without breaking my oath you stupid homosexual
Because he was not performing or trying to perform any evil acts and if he was and the game let it slide then the game is fricking moronic.
>then the game is fricking moronic.
Look at you catching up, rpoud of you
Does not change the fact you broke the oath for your actions in that moment.
Wrong, it breaks literally no tenets of the oath of vengeance.
You saw him start to preform an evil act and let it happen which would be a act of mercy. You cannot show any mercy no matter what Its not complicated.
moronic mental gymnastic, you're going circles like mentally child
if you're RPing a paladin you obviously kill him right after the ritual, moron
>at the cost of
Not how Paladins work. They are devoted to and fully believe the oaths they take. Kicking a puppy is not worth saving even a million lives. To a Paladin doing evil is like walking off a cliff.
Peak moronic homosexual zoomer, straight from reddit.
moronic isn't an alignment anon
>le lawful stupid face
This is how reddit thinks paladins operate and this is why detaching paladins from their gods was fricking stupid
You didn't have to empower Astarion to kill them.
Of course you do, you can only kill the few in the jails otherwise.
No you fricking don't. If you convince Astarion to not do the ritual then the choice falls onto you of what happens to them and you can just murder them all or free them. If you didn't convince Astarion and refused to help him with the ritual he's so butthurt he kills them all himself anyway saying "If I can't get what I want neither can they". There is no reason to do the ritual unless you want Astarion to become a stronger vampire immune to the sun, because you can kill all the other vampires regardless, you just did some evil devil ritual for no reason otherwise.
The only people he kills are the handful of disciples with the runes on them you moron, killing them means the ritual can't be done. This done absolutely frick all to the thousands of vampire spawns spread out everywhere.
>The only people he kills are the handful of disciples with the runes on them
moron-kun pls
We've been over this, moron. Read the posts your reply to:
You think cazador has 7000 people in these 4 cells in his castle you stupid frick?
You can argue about the logistics of it, but it's made painfully clear that that choice is what to do with the 7000 spawn Cazador has moron-kun. Stop pretending you did the quest.
Don't skip the dialogs next time, moron.
>doesn't understand what happens in the quest
>accuses others of not paying attention
LMAO, last (You) for you moron-kun. Next time actually play the game instead of finding non existent hills to die on.
>can't read posts
>can't read dialogs
>make shit up
Better luck next time.
You lose oath because you let the ritual happen. You can cuck Astarion out of a ritual AND kill the vampires afterwards iirc.
I killed one of the ritual people in the fight and ruined the ritual choice after
>ummm ackshually paladin isn't lawful good it's about an oath ok
>we can't have any sort of objective morality because that would mean we would have to take responsibility for what we are
>killing thousands of evil creatures isn't lawful good
Are you moronic or something? Imagine taking the stance of pozzed homosexual and pretending you're not one. I guess you just have an IQ so low your reading comprehension is nonexistent.
It is you that is moronic because the point flew over your head. The board gets dumber and browner every day.
There's zero fricking point you moronic homosexual, I entered a dungeon, wiped out 7000 and 2 vampires and left, like an absolute chad paladin.
No, you moron you broke your oath by letting Astarion ascend in the first place.
No I didn't, I caught two birds with one stone and ended up neatly killing every vampire in one fell swoop.
Cope harder, your game's writing is shitty and your attempts at defending it completely moronic, you have the IQ of a toddler.
>your game
Tribalistic Gankertards.
ywnbaw
this the fedorahomosexualry is so tiresome and unoriginal at this point. don’t have a setting with religiously powered knights and gods if the entire concept of that makes you seethe to the point where you need to write some ao3 tier monologue every 5 seconds about how gods are le bad
>don’t have a setting with religiously powered knights and gods if the entire concept of that makes you seethe
Here's the thing, a lot of the people who have issues with this aren't the old guard, they're infiltrators because the old guard left or were removed over time. Happens to basically any sufficiently large community
>unmmm ACTKUALLY my medieval fantasy character is an atheist (like me IRL, frick roleplaying) and while your brainwashed paladin may get his powers from a so called “god”, i’m actually much better and cooler than you because I get the same powers just through the sheer force of my own goodness. I swear an oath to some vague concept instead 🙂
I never got the point of tabletop roleplaying if you just want to insert your 21st century self into the setting.
The people who created dnd read conan stories, tolkien and fairly tales/ romances from the middle ages for inspiration. The people in control of it now probably read harry potter fanfiction and homestuck growing up.
>break your oath on purpose
>act surprised because your oath is broken
lel
You could have killed all those vampires anyway to begin with you tard, instead you did it in a way where there's now a gigachad vampire who's evil and loves it with all that power.
>Be paladin
>the one class that loses powers if you act like a dipshit
>act like a dipshit
>powers stolen
moron
>killing vampires and homosexuals
>acting like a dipshit
>directly empowering a giga vampire
yes, break the machine and kill all the shitty vampires
oh noes
>kill him 30 seconds later
anyway
are you surprised that intentionally empowering a vampire, even if you plan to kill him later, is against your oath?
NTA but is deception for an eventual greater good not allowed by paladins? let's say your party is looking to infiltrate a cult by joining and it doesn't involve actively breaking the oath surely they can do it? I imagine it becomes DM decision at a IRL dice rolling table. But with a game where there's a hard coded DM you might just have to reload the save and take your lumps
>is deception for an eventual greater good not allowed by paladins?
No, the cuck cage stays on forever.
Yes, it's obviously not against the oath as it clearly allows the obliteration of thousands of blood sucking human predators but I guess you'd have to have a triple digit IQ to figure that one out.
That oath by the way, literally has "Exerting your wisdom, identify the higher morality in any given instance, and fight for it." in it. But logic is clearly not your forte.
I killed all the vampires and my paladin didn't break any vows.
Choices like these are what precedes legendary fantasy sagas. Killing them would be boring and uneventful.
>"moral" relativist paladin
Gee, sure looks room temperature IQ in here.
Why couldn't Astarion just sip Cazador's blood to become a true vampire if he wasn't going to go through the ritual?
Seems like a good middle ground.
>Really, game? I lose my holy powers just because I allowed a satanic ritual to create an evil turbo vampire to happen?
Not how it works, Cazador would need willingly allow him to suck him off for it to work. It was explained in the game.
Okay, why didn't they do this, then?
>allow Astarion to succ and we'll let you go
the vampirism would know it was a coerced succ
>moron does stupid thing
>WHY CANT I DO WHATEVER I WANT AND KEEP MY OATH
top kek l2p
>do ritual
>astarion monologues like a supervillain
>kill the hunters
>keep going on adventures
not my problem
>what the hell is Ludonarrative dissonance?
Imagine being a paladin, you get cucked but your own oath.
lmao
You can literally buy it back for 1000 gold. The pozzed bg3 reddit fanboys are probably doing mental gymnastics right now to try and justify this too.
That's almost twice the normal cost in 5e for atonement to be cast. Hell in 3.5 it costed a measly stick of incense and 500 xp which is basically nothing past early levels.
3.5 isn't a homosexual edition, you actually have to ask your diety for forgiveness, give xp away and go on a quest
Atonement states
This spell removes the burden of evil acts or misdeeds from the subject. The creature seeking atonement must be truly repentant and desirous of setting right its misdeeds. If the atoning creature committed the evil act unwittingly or under some form of compulsion, atonement operates normally at no cost to you. However, in the case of a creature atoning for deliberate misdeeds and acts of a knowing and willful nature, you must intercede with your deity (requiring you to expend 500 XP) in order to expunge the subject’s burden. Many casters first assign a subject of this sort a quest (see geas/quest) or similar penance to determine whether the creature is truly contrite before casting the atonement spell on its behalf.
No where in that does it say you have to go on a quest just have the spell cast on you and actually be repentant and talk to your deity and maybe pay 500xp depending on the situation anything else is optional.
So what I'm hearing is that I was right and that's a lot more meaningful contrary to what you implied and that makes you wrong and a homosexual.
Also, you literally lose all your powers instead of having them magically replaced by oathbreaking powers that are essentially the same.
The only thing you was right about that I did not already mention is communicating to your deity which is basically a formality unless the dm wants to go further with it. Its your choice to be a oath breaker so no you only gain those powers if you choose to forsake your oath entirely. blackguard is literally the same thing in 3.5 Please actually understand both systems before arguing about them. and yes i know in bg3 you can remove oath breaker by paying 1000g but you could also make yourself any class anyway because they let your respec fully at any time so that points kinda moot.
>you was
Stopped there. I don't talk to animals.
And I don't talk to morons I am sorry I treated you like you had a brain.
Say what you want about the tenets of being a paladin, dude, at least it's an ethos.
I freed 7000 vampires because I don't trust Astation to do the ritual thing
So if you don't bring astorian along you can kill all the 7000 vampires and then cazador and not get oath broken?
You can still avoid breaking your oath with Astarion on the party. You need to pass an insight check and convince him not to do the ritual before he starts.
Also if you attack Cazador before the cutscene when you encounter him, it avoids Astarion's capture and he can fight along normally.
Why can't paladins just stop being autistic?
They literally draw holy power from autism.
because divine smite goes hard
>asks the homosexuals playing the "muh save the princess" twitch subscriber class why they cant stop being homosexuals
kek
of course i let him complete the ritual
>be durge barbarian
>help Astarion become vampire lord
>conquer the world together in bhaal's name
Blood for the Blood God.
There's no alliance between evil. Didn't this game teach you nothing ? He's probably trying to kill you after the ending. He became a power hungry butthole after you ascended him and power hungry butthole doesn't want any competition for power.
Bhaal ending like the normal Absolute ending has all the companions mindcontrolled by you through the brain. That Uber Vampires at your mercy.
Vampires can't help what they are, blame the Gods for their existence
There are no consequences to Astarion killing the 7000, his personality doesn't even change, so yes I killed those gay vampires immediately.
What are they even going to do in the underdark? Prey on the drow and Duergar?
>You were my first and my last
lol you have woman brain if you fell for this
That was one of Astarion's virgin preys saying that. He went straight to the locked dungeon there.
>Kill cazador like we're a bunch of mad gypsies
>Free the minions
>Tell the hunters they can have their vampire children fresh out of their cells
>They're okay with it
>Astarion becomes a better person
>Leave the place
Vampires roaming the sewers? Not my problem lmao call a plumber you gays
How powerful is the vampire ascendent meant to even be?
not very powerful.... vampires are gay. just shoot disintegrate at them twice, lmao.
wizard chads, how do we stop winning so hard?
reminder astarion fricked thousands of dudes and essentially sentenced them to die
he's objectively a piece of shit. he doesn't hold a candle to a durge tav.
>play good bard
>Freed all the spawn
>Everyone tells me it's a bad idea
>I'm just thinking "everyone gets one"
Not like there are ending slides to tell me if I'm wrong or right. So I might as well believe that all 7000 spawn turned a new leaf
>freed all the vampires because i wanted the gur kids to live
>gur immediately attack me as we leave without explaining why
i guess they didn't like that i freed the vampires but it was still weird
Something fricked up there, they get mad at you initially until Astarion tells them their own kids are part of that 7k, then they're conflicted on how to feel but thank you and leave.
They’re schizo as hell I killed all the vampires and they attacked me. I reloaded and saved them and they got all passive aggressive saying I doomed thousands
It’s the underdark’s problem now.
Get fricked, driggers
I didnt felt sorry for gaystarion and that gay trapped of Pic
I let them go so the monster hunters would still have work. It's good for the economy.
The underdark is a shithole regardless the drow and illithids deserve a vampire problem
Yeah I mean how much damage could they really do down there? Getting in and out is in universe fairly difficult too. I mean I honestly think death is the kinder choice
YOU WERE THE FIRST
YOU'LL BE THE LAAAST
I let Astarion drink my blood but felt extremely violated after, so I killed him. I bet that's what prison rape feels like.
>get staff
>kill them all
>astarion confronts me
>lol woops oh well
>end game he starts burning in the sun
>lmao at him
frick vamps
You didn't tiger? You can't possibly be that stupid
>he didn't tiger during his playthrough
Wrong
I sure did. After getting rid of the tadpole Astarion can rule over the vampires in the underdark