You failed to reform him

Yes it was very unlike of them to make such an obvious mistake, especially Jaheira. Very uncharacteristic.

Yes, someone did the bare minimum in an effort to impersonate her, but in the end the doppelganger made some obvious mistakes. It didn't take into account that elves don't age like humans and half-elves do, the voice is completely wrong, and its actions and mannerisms are nothing alike actual Viconia. Also it made some clear mistakes, such as claiming that Shar ordered the purging of the cult in Waterdeep, when in actuality Viconia killed all the Sharites against the wishes of Shar, and got heavily admonished for it.

If you truly do believe that the mockery in the House of Grief is Viconia, then I've a bridge to sell you.

No, the incompetent impersonating her is dead, and that's a good thing.

I don't mean doppelganger the monster, I mean doppelganger as in an impersonator.

There are plenty of reasons to want to impersonate Viconia. She's a hero of Calimshan and Suldanesselar, so obviously she has some power and influence. She's also a strong cleric in her own right, so I bet there is some perverse pleasure to be had in impersonating her and making her seem incompetent.

No, I think the simplest explanation is that she wasn't Viconia. Let's apply the duck test:
>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
The Viconia presented in the game doesn't look like Viconia, act like Viconia, or sound like Viconia, and there are other obvious discrepancies. So, it's probably not Viconia.

Why? Minsc and Jaheira look recognisable, "Viconia" does not. It's obviously meant to be a clue that what you're fighting isn't actually Viconia, and the reason why Minsc and Jaheira are mistaken is likely due to some mental manipulation by Shar, for reasons unknown.

To ruin her reputation and humiliate her as punishment for killing a bunch of her faithful maybe? Shar has been shown to be a petty and vengeful deity.

There can be multiple simultaneous objectives. She humiliates Viconia while converting a Selûnite, win-win in her books. Unfortunately the brainwashing fails and the kid redeems herself, but at least Viconia's reputation is destroyed.

That makes it sound like Larian writers are just lazy hacks and I choose to believe that they're at least somewhat competent.

Yes, good job killing the impostor. Unfortunately that won't fix Viconia's reputation, although knowing her she probably wouldn't give a shit.

What do you mean delusional? It's pretty obvious that there's no actual Viconia in the game.

>I am just pretending to be moronic
nah you're moronic

No one would wilingly pretend to be Viconia, she's the Drow that lost to fricking farmers after all. So it's not that big of a surprise that she'd die in BG3.

>It's pretty bad writing but what can you do?
We accept it and move on as best we can. Like I've accepted Viconia's fate in BG3.

nta, but I found Viconia through the Shadowheart quests
Not sure if that's consistent or due to things I did in playthrough

It's Viconia specifically. She was in my playthrough. You might've gotten something else.

Well, I assume you just got something else on your playthrough. If you ever play it again, you might get what I got.
I thought it was kind of cool to see Viconia again.

It's always "Viconia" in the House of Grief, but never the actual Viconia. It's a part of Shar's vengeance on Viconia for killing a bunch of her followers after the events of ToB, to make people believe that Viconia is some kind of a silly saturday morning cartoon villain when she's clearly not.

Can you post a screenshot? You can immediately tell with a simple glance whether it's the fake.

Do you not have any saves from before?

Jokes aside they're such tremendous hack, they quite literally took her regular ending and said "frick it, let's retcon that"

Her canon ending has her travel around with Drizzt, saving Calimshan and Suldanesselar and slaying a bunch of Shar cultists. Even as an "evil" character she ends up doing a lot of good for the Realms.

>It didn't take into account that elves don't age like humans and half-elves do
She's not old. It's drugs

Viconia was always shit I don't get why people are just now coming out of the woods to defend her.

This is extreme cope and it's clear you never even played the originals. Drow are fricking homosexuals and should be killed on sight.

Why are you trying to pretend you've played any of the gamrs? What is this? Go larp elsehwere.

Sarevok and Viconia are forgettable in BG3 because their voice actors were terrible snd they were relegated to some short optional fight. I was quite happy with Jaheira's depiction in BG3 and Minsc is Minsc, but Sarevok's utter dogshit line delivery just made me want to skip the conversation and kill him right away so I could leave.

How the frick did they not get the OG Sarevok VA?

Jim Cummings has some weird shit happening with his ex-wife in court. Apparently it ended with them BOTH being found abusive, but it's weirdness I imagine a company doesn't necessarily want to associate with.

At least that's what I would've though, but they also didn't get the Sarevok VA back and he's still actively working with no issues that I'm aware of.
So I really have no clue what they're thinking was.

Your person feelings are not relevant.
It's canon per the lead designer of BG1 and BG2.

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There's 100 years after the events of Throne of Bhaal. It contradicts nothing.

Sure, but we're specifically talking about the Sarevok thing. Different goalpost.

There's none.

Nta, it's perfectly in-line with Sarevok's ending slide.

He was also involved with KotOR, Mass Effect 1, Dragon Age: Origins, and Jade Empire though.

Biowares problems goes well beyond who was just involved with the writing past a certain point after the EA acquisition.

>So basically he whitewashed him?
Essentially, yes.
>Can't say I agree with the narrative being soft on him though
Well, the story itself isn't, but, it's as if the game is
He was very obviously evil at the start, what with looking pale deep set eyes, ominously monologuing, being voiced by Simon Templeman.
Then when you get to the Landsmeet people talk up him more than they did, his status as a hero etc. And he gets the special redemption arc and opportunity to be a Warden, even if no one else did for some reason. You also can't call him out on some of his crimes, like abiding Howe if he killed your family or him being responsible for your troops and brother being killed (you don't know he's alive yet) City Elf warden can call him on it a bit, but it's dismissed too quickly

Yeah, that was also stupid
>Lol no, ofc he didn't know! Loghain is just a blind dumb moron

Which makes no sense because it means either Loghain is lying through his teeth or he is an incompetent and blind moron that didn't keep a tab on the guy he was using as his right hand in his attempted takeover.

>He didn't like selling city elves to Tevinter and turned a blind eye because he needed the money but he didn't know about Howe screwing over nobility.
That's super mega moronic. Literally there's rumors found around that the Couslands all died and suddenly Howe is the new Teyrn. Loghain even proclaims him that
Plus, regardless of that, he killed your brother and bannermen
It's moronic to whitewash Loghain and ruins his character.
And yes, they did change their minds through the dev cycle. That's why Alistair has a different mother on the non cannon tie in books

>I just personally don't care about the stuff I don't like.
Its all fiction. All of it. Just because the company that "owns" the IP says one thing, doesnt change the fact that its ALL fiction.
We choose our subjective reality.

A good number of the inspirations look better than the results

Why would it be difficult to be a Paladin in Candlekeep? There's many tomes on religious subjects, there are visiting devotees of Good Gods, and Gorion raises you on tales of noble heroes and righteous adventurers. Putting aside EE classes, the only two classes that make no sense for CHARNAME to take are Druid and Ranger, since he has no real way to forge a connection with the wild, and you could tell they struggled with coming up with a justification for it in the character background handwaving it as "well he visited the stables a lot and liked birds".

No, the way being a Paladin used to work in old editions of D&D is you were chosen by your deity. That is a big difference between Clerics and Paladins, Clerics chose to serve their deity, while Paladins were selected by their deity and blessed with their powers for being upstanding paragons that best upheld the ideals of honor, righteousness, and purity.

Paladins are specific to LG, LN, and NG deities. Originally, you could not have a Paladin outside of LG deities but they slightly expanded it to give more options to players, which I disagree with, the original, stricter rules were superior.

No.
there were several, pre-2008 internet was a wild place

I just use CTRL+8 these days, then lower stats where appropriate.
I've replayed this series more than enough (for whatever crazy reason, it lessens my enjoyment if every single stat is maxed), I don't give a shit about "honest" stats.

Loosening up the restrictions on the Paladin class was the dumbest idea ever. Paladins should only by white, male, humans of a lawful good disposition. They should annihilate evil where ever it is found without compassion, empathy, or mercy. They are the vengeance of the gods come to cleanse the world of all degeneracy.

Also, figures that a tranime lover would cheat.

>Loosening up the restrictions on the Paladin class was the dumbest idea ever.
Everytime it is for every game
There's hardly any uniqueness to classes or races now, they're just larp flavor
The restrictions led to good roleplaying because they could lead you to a different thinking, you'd had to fit your character with the world not the other way around