Margrace-kun is either a fricking moron who misinterpreted the ending or a genius for continuing to throw gasoline on an open fire
it's actually been more kino since the leaks stopped
The ending is pretty open-ended in general so it makes sense that everyone, the leakers including, have differing takes.
I don't mind the fairy tale ending. It's less than dumb than Joshua writing a historical piece about Barnabas eating alien pussy and calling his brother a kissless 30 year old virgin while giving himself a tomboy wife.
>and calling his brother a kissless 30 year old virgin while giving himself a tomboy wife.
Ngl, if I were writing a historical piece, a recounting of extraordinary events, a tale of epic proportions and my brother was in it in ANY capacity, I can absolutely ASSURE you that the above would be the bare fricking minimum I would write about that c**t.
He’s a paid shill in my opinion. Only a complete fricking moron could misinterpret the ending
It’s like he baited the doomposters into arguing for the most moronic shit ever. It makes the naysayers look like total clowns and it generates discussion. Reeks of a marketing gimmick
Nah, the "Clive/Joshua/Clive's son wrote the book" headcanon is cope and contradicts shit the leaker already mentioned like how Phoenix can't revive people. It makes all kinds of logical leaps to make a symbolic ending in order to avoid the ending spelled out plain.
I like the ending other than the fact that they don't hard-commit to showing Clive's survival and getting back to Jill. A bit cowardly.
Hopefully they mend that at some point.
I didn't like any part of the leaks. Every time something new was reveled it was dumber than the last leak.
Why are Japs just completely unable to tell a good story anymore?
True. I hated 13 like the plague but at least it actually still felt like some insane person was behind the wheel, not a committee of international financial advisors. I think I'd rather have the nonsense of the generic, thank you.
it ends with earth but they didn't redcon the whole fricking story afterwards.
also the fashion model thing is just comerical for another company. let's not act like it's canon just to win an argument
He said that Dion, Joshua and Clive's deaths are left open. He did say though that Joshua said earlier that reviving a dead person is impossible even for the Phoenix so Clive shouldn't be able to revive him. He still tried because why wouldn't he?
How come no one talks about the game itself? The story is dog shit, but how's the game? Can you level up your party members? Collect rare weapons? Visit different towns?
How's the gameplay? How come no one is talking about it? I can forgive the alyen shit... Pretend it's not as bad as SnK/Gantz/Naruto/etc.
Just tell me, how's the gameplay.
It's fun, just pick up the demo. It's kind of a character action style game, it doesn't feel like DMC exactly but you can clearly feel the inspiration. Feedback is good on hit, lots of options, parries feel good, precision dodging feels good. I liked it a lot. Gameplay wise. Don't know about anything else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>plz spoonfeed me like the tourist homosexual I am
KEK
>Touch the gameplay subject >They enter panic mode
Don't worry you'll win GOTY nonetheless. Gays of the Year.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>exposed as a shitposting tourist Black person
it’s over
11 months ago
Anonymous
??
I just answered the question. I take it you don't like the stagger mechanics?
11 months ago
Anonymous
When an anon posts this clip, you'll know he's here
11 months ago
Anonymous
I just wish dodge was on circle. I know there's a control style for it but it maps attack to a shoulder button which feels weird. Everything else tho is pretty fukken good. Hitless Garuda felt good to accomplish, and I hope that feeling persists using the trial stone things.
My capcha was AMV 8K that's pretty funny.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can bypass the game and remap to whatever you want in PS5 accessibility settings, but the in game prompts won't reflect it
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I saw that but I still think it's less than ideal.
Unlike Cucklive based Noctis is shown with his wife at the end of the game. XV-kuns won, that’s a new recipeh
I like XV a lot, been replaying it as I prep for XVI. Comfy road trip bros is so nice. I said i'd actually kill Omega this time before XVI dropped but I don't think I'm going to make it. Sadge.
>prologue that sets up cut scenes and then after its finished put you in the literal COMBAT DEMO
tell me you didnt play the game without playing the game
>dips to 20 fps on performance mode >combat is shit like seen at
[...] >Touch the gameplay subject >They enter panic mode
Don't worry you'll win GOTY nonetheless. Gays of the Year. and full of shitty QTE >overheats ps5s during the morbol fight and other
the game just plainly garbage all around, but the troony alien cuck story is just over the top shit
Not everyone, but it did happen to quite a few people especially during morbol fight with warning messages of overheating. There is also reports of ps5s not turning back on entirely. So something definetly is wrong with the game and the devs seriously didnt want to do a day 1 patch after this horrible demo kek.
I SAYING THIS MANY TIMING NOW BUT PEOPLE FINALLY SEEING HOW IT IS MOVIE AND NOIT GAMEING.... TYHEY ARE POSTING HOW THE MOVE STORY IS BAD.... THEY NOW REALISING THE THAT MAYBE MOVIE WAS BAD ALL ALONG.... IF MOVIE STORY = BAD... GAME = GAD...... BUT IF GAMEING STORY = BAD AND GAMING GAME = GOOD... GAME STILL GOOD!!!
YOU SEEING NOW? MOVIE GAMIEING KILLING GAMES... NO MORE GIVING MONEY TO MOVIE GAMEING
SEEING NOW HE HE SAYING WHAT I AM SAYING? NO MAN IN THESE THREADINGS SAYING HOW THEY ARE LIKING THE GAMEING OF THE GAME, THEY ONLY SAYING ON HOW THE MOVIE IS AND NOW THEY EVEN SAYING IT IS BAD MOVIE....
SUPPORT GAME.... NOT MOVIE!!!!! GIVE ME GAME... NOT MOVIE!!!!!
if it's made up, none of it really happened and barry wins
if it's not made up, kids read a book about alien bussy and hugo cuck fantasies and barry wins
Wait, so Clive wrote the book now? Or was it Joshua? PLEASE MEDIA LITERATES, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS "GOOD" ENDING YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT!!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>so Clive wrote the book now? Or was it Joshua
that were the ambiguity is, we can't know for sure
11 months ago
Anonymous
Book is attributed to Joshua but he is apparently dead at the end while Clive is implied to survive, and the beginning of the game has Clive narrating as if he is beginning a story, so it's easy to deduce that Clive wrote it under Joshua's name.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Took his little bro's powers >Took his little bro's name
Was Clive... based?
11 months ago
Anonymous
So Clive wrote a story under his brother's name about how he mentally cucked Kupka and Barnabus fricked an alien? Why would he do that? And children read this story by Clive as Joshua?
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's no evidence that stuff made it in to the novel
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's also no evidence that Clive wrote the book as Joshua but half you morons keep insisting its self-evident and the other half are claiming Clive resurrected Joshua, which also has zero evidence, so why can't I assume that stuff is all in the book?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think that Clive would stole his brother's name, that's too fricked up.
Unless they are going with a Futurama ending but I also don't like that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Is Clive even aware of Barnabas' shenanigans? I would imagine the narrative is not complete.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So Clive wrote a story under his brother's name
the biggest argument for this theory is the fact that at the beginning of the game it's clive who narrate the game like he is reading the book.
you can see it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E4L3luqUTY
11 months ago
Anonymous
sure thing
he also added all the hours spent hunting marks
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's whatever you want to interpret
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's a cope lmao
Why the frick would clive take Joshua's name
Joshua 100% survived and clive fricking died
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clive is shown to be alive, just with a stone hand >Moon ex machina was wished on to bring him back to his wife (who totally never got raped) >He's the pinnacle of humanity thanks to ayylmao eugenics >Ending song explicitly states 'i was sad and the moon brought me back to you' >Clive is the ultimate Gary stu in the story
He absolutely wrote it
11 months ago
Anonymous
>(who totally never got raped)
Hilarious, I can't believe he managed to write every incel's dream (30s virgin saving themselves for each other) and Ganker has doomposters about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
She saw the sun anon not the moon
11 months ago
Anonymous
The point is she wished on the magic wishing object that disappears after a wish is granted
>H..he definitely wrote a book using brothers name for literally no reason
Because he steals the name of people important to him to carry on their legacy, he literally became Cid at one point
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's literally a story reason why he took cid's name
No reason whatsoever he took Joshua's
11 months ago
Anonymous
Using a pen name doesn't mean you literally become the person anon, he used the pen name because everyone already thought Joshua was dead and it was his way to keep his memory going for the future.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Literally all headcanon
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Clive wrote the book and made himself into a Gary Stu, that makes the ending even more moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If
As far as we know, the book can diverge a lot from the story, but the entire point of Clive and Ultima's conflict at the end was that Clive believed that humanity would overcome the blight and preservere. Which they do. This + the fact that the game opens with his narration + the fact that they have a dlc/sequel in mind makes the premise of the story not being real extremely strange. That said, I do think the framing is too ambiguous to it's detriment.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, the book can differ from the story, but if Clive is narrating like in the opening, and we open with the Ifrit/Phoenix fight, we know some of the stuff that happens in-game is included in the book. The fact that people then proceed to pick and choose what is showcased in a book called "Final Fantasy" by "Joshua Rosfield" in a game called "Final Fantasy 16" based on nothing but headcannon only further shows how moronic the book ending is
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said, it's too ambiguous for it's own good but I don't think the >It was all a fake story
shit makes more sense than Clive returning, taking a pen name after Joshua and making sure the story of him and his crew is remembered until it eventually becomes "mythos" (which is also what Ultima calls him) for the current generation of humanity.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>H..he definitely wrote a book using brothers name for literally no reason
11 months ago
Anonymous
its joshua. Clive wouldn't disrespect his brother like writing a book about this event. doesnt fit his personality at all
>Joshua, why is Dion gay in your book? He married that girl that nursed you back to health. Why'd you make their daughter adopted? >Shut the frick up Mid.
I'm not a fan of the post credit ending. There could have been many ways to relay to the audience the same message they're trying to convey.
> Mother narrates the ending of the book to her kids > Kids ask, "it's hard to believe we once wielded magic mother, I would rather have them so we can do chores faster" > Mother tells kids they wouldn't have ______ if it wasn't for inventions > We are now free to become anything without magic holding us back > Kids go i guess so and plays outside > Mother looks outside and have a subtle idk inner dialogue thanking great great great grandfather Rosfield about his journey
Generic i know but I'll take my headcanon to whatever that post credit scene was. Still the story was kini and i know Barny gooner will be my mvp
It's just Square Eenix writing. I remember the end of FF7R where Aerith turned around and looked in the camera and went on a several minute rant about how they were changing their destinies and how they weren't following the original timeline anymore. Pure schlock.
Tbf this plot isn't exactly subtle. But really all it needed was Clive's silhouette in the distance or Jill opening the door and a shadow on the ground
It's the current media literate interpretation, otherwise, how do you explain Joshua dying in the ending and Clive living thanks to Jill's wish in the ending and us getting such a good ending?
>Clive stealing his lil bro's name
That's awful, stop coping. Clive and Joshua both lived, Clive thanks to Jill's wish and Joshua thanks to Clive's vow.
That doesn't make sense. Joshua dies in the game and Clive can't revive him. Sounds like you're making up some head cannon and don't understand basic media literacy.
Because ever since The Old Republic fiasco back in the early New 10's, Ganker has been desperate to have another TORtanic situation to shitpost about ad nauseum with only Cyberpunk 2077 at launch coming close in the years since.
Nah lWe'll do it another way :
Let's say we have a way to mindread the FFXVI story writer. which ending do you think is the correct one in the author's mind?
1-The game is not real and nothing happened
2-People forgot about magic after the blight apocalypse
Sounds like 1. Because the writer forgot to show proof that any of it actually happened when he decided to go with the book ending.
That's the difference between LoTR and XVI.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He didn’t ask what the writer showed he asked what they think
I feel bad for you, don’t know what led you to be like this.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Sounds like 1. Because the writer forgot to show proof that any of it actually happened when he decided to go with the book ending
???? you people aren't real, i refuse to believe it.
"you need to show proof that a character would write a book" ?? that on what you base your interpretation??
Bro i really need a break from Ganker
>just believe in my interpretation, there's no proof that it happened but I swear it did
this is called headcanon my friends.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Sounds like 1. Because the writer forgot to show proof that any of it actually happened when he decided to go with the book ending
???? you people aren't real, i refuse to believe it.
"you need to show proof that a character would write a book" ?? that on what you base your interpretation??
Bro i really need a break from Ganker
Leaker put his own headcanon into the last post, when the entire ending scene is literally an ambiguous ending like FF6 (the magic ceasing to existing ) and FF7
>when the entire ending scene is literally an ambiguous ending
so either it was all just a storybook or you have to start making up headcanon as to how the book was even written.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>acting like the it's all a fairy tale isn't the biggest headcanon of them all
The mere fact morons here manage to completely misunderstand such an obvious ending (including the dipshit leaker who somehow missed the fact the book is printed) only proves most posters here have actual room temp IQ.
You don't deserve such a game after nearly two decades of offline FF disasters.
>no trust me bro the guy who died before the final boss actually wrote the story as a legend to pass >oh yea wait he is dead. ok then uh... it was Clive! he pretended to be Joshua just like how i pretend to be super smart lol lmao >ok how about this we are very far into the future and one of Clive's gay descendants is also coincidentally called Joshua and that guy wrote it >no wait please listen it actually happened please i can't let Barry win!
I’m excited to play some grand adventure game where I use the power of summons to destroy an ancient otherworldly threat, continue to seethe, cope and dilate
I'm trying to picture how the current state of this board would've reacted to the ending of FFX and I'm thinking it would be exactly as bad as this.
No doubt it’d be a shitshow. Hell the reaction to any of the big story shifts of 6-10 would be as bad as this
FFX-2 was a masterpiece and today's Ganker would love it if there weren't a dozen malding boomers crying about ruining their precious shitty FFX story.
I mean people to this day still misunderstand dream zanarkand. The thing is though that’s somewhat understandable while this is a basic ass lord of the rings trope. The doomgays should make fun of how generic it is rather than doing whatever the frick it is they are trying to say
90% of FF stories are pretty cliche. It's all execution. VII wasn't a groundbreaking story at the time it was just told in a way people really enjoyed.
And Jill symbolically gets her wish granted when Metia disappears and he comes back.
The reveal of Joshua's name on the book is like the last piece of a happy ending. Motherfricker survived too.
the ending was great, they could have shown clive coming back to jill, maybe without an arm, but the fact that she smiles at the sunrise its a dead giveaway that he comes back.
maybe the pc release next year expands on that and hows us a true ending.
agree, they could have shown jill running to him and giving him a giant hug and this whole sub would have been singing praises and calling the game a masterpiece.
Book ending is the most easy to understand trope in writing ever. I swear most of posters here are so dumb, i bet they don't understand LaLa Land's ending too
It's annoying that they literally did that right before in Heavensward then rubbed it into your face in Dragonsong Ultimate's obnoxious nearly 2 minute outro cutscene
>Frodo's book that he wrote chronicling his adventure before going to the Undying Lands >Joshua's book that he wrote despite being dead in the said book's narrative?
Yes, Japanese devs don't even understand how the LOTR framing works, so the LOTR framing is fine and the FF16 one is not.
The difference is that for Tolkien this was part of the worldbuilding, for FFXVI it's just tacked on because they liked how it worked in Heavensward and Ivalice before it.
That guy didn’t explain shit. He just said it doesn’t work because it doesn’t actually show Joshua writing the book. Regardless of whether you show him writing the book or not, it doesn’t prove that the events of the story never actually happened like the moron leaker said.
>That guy didn’t explain shit. >he's wrong because he is
woah >it doesn’t prove that the events of the story never actually happened
Then can you prove they happened?
The issue is that you can't prove whether they happened and whether it didn't
In FFT, you are absolutely certain that at least the major plot beats happened
In Heavensward, you are certain it all happened
In FF16, you aren't. You can interpret it as a fairy tale that wasn't real or a real historic thing that people forgot about. That's the issue. It's half assed.
HAPPYING NOW SOME PEOPLE AWAKING UP... TRUTH IS I LOVING FINAL FANTASY GAMEING.... BUT I HATING "MOVIE FANTASY" I WANT TRUE FINAL FANTASY GAMEING... NO "MOVIE FANTASY".....
it's funny this game will be a mixed bag at best
turnbased gays will hate it
based homophobes will hate it
non porn-obsessed people will hate the excessive sex
others will hate the ending (with tons of Socrates Black folk acting like it actually has a deep meaning)
XVI will rise and fall really hard
this. the game is doomed
the jornos will like it though and praise it to high heavens. just like how they did Last of Us 2. for being brave and whatever the frick to display the abomination they do in the cutscenes. and for interpreting way too much bullshit in an open ending that is intentionally left vague so the wanna-be cosmo brains can defend it with 0 evidence.
all hell is loose around this game right now. and i'm really looking forward to how the whole shit shapes up. it's literally just TLOU2 all over again
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
It's this. Except the alleged author of the legend died in the story so it doesn't make sense.
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
It's this. Except the alleged author of the legend died in the story so it doesn't make sense.
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
It's this. Shazamtranies are just going full moron.
>events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
that what this is but their is like 3 moron pretending that the ending is just "nothing was real LMAO"
The legend is called Final Fantasy but it's written by a dead character, it doesn't make sense as there's no way to convert the game story to a book without plot holes and it means kids read books with graphic sex scenes.
couldnt it mean it was a pen name? Or that in time history has gotten some events wrong and omitted the obvious sex scenes for a history and story that has now devolved into a story for kids?
Best case scenario would be the first one
But the game ends with children reading a book called final fantasy and with no proof that the entire story before this point even happened outside of the storybook.
The author of the book is dead in the story too, so it makes zero sense if it was written by him in story.
So then you have to make up headcanon to explain who the author is.
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
Yeah, all the main character survived against all odds, and MC's little brother wrote the story of how they saved the world in a book called Final Fantasy (inspired by the last words that Clive says to the big bad).
It's almost like a descendant with his name could have been the one who put it to paper. Or Clive could have assumed his name the same way he did Cid's.
In the finale the protag beats the big bad ayy lmao and destroys all sources of magic in the world (he even says something to the effect of this will be your final fantasy™
The ending is the future where people read the tale in a book, final fantasy™ and believe it as fairy tale.
Doom sharters are trying to argue it’s a >and then I woke up
Ending
all i know is Clive doesn't have genitals so the sex scene is just slamming 2 barbie dolls into each other. at least cyberpunk as offensively dogshit as that game was showed everything in terms of nudity
When will Ganker learn basic media literacy? This could all be solved with basic media literacy. Basic media literacy should be a requirement for playing the game. You need basic media literacy to understand the ending.
Clive survived as a result of his own actions. Metia stuff was just symbolic for Jill having her ultimate happiness finally in her hands.
The fact he lived through EVERYTHING merely losing a hand only proves how much of a chad he is. Literally punched a god so hard his hand turned into stone.
>Metia stuff was just symbolic for Jill having her ultimate happiness finally in her hands.
well yeah, granting her wish in the process
the star didn't literally go "ay yo b***h you want this guy imma resurrect him for you"
Your interpretation is that the one character we know for sure died is alive and the only person we saw for sure surviving the event is dead? Even after Jill's wish for Clive NOT to die and her being happy at the result? At this point I don't know what you are smoking
Ah yes, Jill wished for Clive to be saved, her wish was granted but there was a mix up and Joshua got revived (somehow) after having definitively died before. >What about Clive on the beach, the one person to survive the ordeal?
He just died on the sand alone for whatever reason lmao >Why was Jill smiling if Clive was dead
She never loved him obviously
ah yes the guy we saw die and fail to be resurrected lived and the guy that ended up on a beach moving and lifting his hand is the one who died
you are very smart
I am coping about one thing. That the doomers are behind the moronic "either dion,joshua or clive" died takes. You are a complete fricking moron if you think any of these characters are dead. You literally do not yoshi-p. I'm expecting a dlc announcement during fanfest for ff14 or later down the line to make you stupid fricks realize that they are alive.
The reason im coping is that I don't want to believe that people unironically believe that any of the characters died. Don't be stupid. Yoshi-P loves happy ending, and this game is getting a fricking dlc announcement. Also the reviews tomorrow is going to get this game to 98 metacritic and then down to 96. check it.
Let me make some arguments about why I believe the "Clive/Joshua/Clive's Son wrote the book" thing is fanfiction and wishful thinking.
>It's Joshua.
Joshua dies at the end. Nothing, not even Phoenix, can revive the dead. This is established several times in the game and demo by Joshua himself. Clive tries, but Joshua does not wake up. This scene can not be argued against. Joshua died.
>Clive's son
Possible, but game never establishes Jill is pregnant. There's also the fact that Clive no longer human (and maybe even never was). Assuming he can procreate, this is just a big fanfiction what if. Like wouldn't it be cool if Clive named his son after his brother and he wrote a book? Not impossible but c'mon.
>Clive wrote it.
Setting aside the fact that Clive has shown zero interest nor talent in writing books during the entire game. Why would he write it as Joshua? "To honor him?". Noble sentiment but again that's just more fanfiction. Clive could do a million better things than ghostwrite an epic about himself under his brother's name... like refound their kingdom. That would take a lifetime in and of itself.
So honestly, it just feels like wishful thinking. The ending is plain and obvious. The media literacy thing feels like the same kind of cope that inspires nerd ecelebs to shit out youtube channels where they tell you Star Wars is really deep.
The game has a good story and the ending doesn't detract from that. It doesn't matter if it didn't happen you say? You're literally saying that fiction doesn't matter while playing a videogame. C'mon lads. The ending is fine.
Yes and it ends with thus did our story end before the credits. That's it. Clive is not the narrator. The game has no narrator. Also real flimsy justification for your fanfiction. Two lines versus clive's entire characterisation up to this point.
>It doesn't matter if it didn't happen you say? You're literally saying that fiction doesn't matter while playing a videogame
You can be invested in a piece of fiction. That piece of fiction at the last possible moment can also say that the story you just experienced was actually a story within a story, that it didn't actually happen and that everything that you just did meant nothing.
But it did mean something. You experienced emotions. Why does it matter if it wasn't real in literally another fiction. It was real to you when you played it.
Because it fricks with suspension of disbelief. It's like imagine if you were receiving a nice massage then the masseuse dumps a pile of stinky garbage all over you. Yeah you did get a massage but you also suddenly started to smell real bad afterwards. Nah frick this analogy. Pretentious. That's what it is. We already know it's fiction and we don't need an extra reminder when it doesn't carry any extra weight.
>Joshua dies at the end. Nothing, not even Phoenix, can revive the dead
god you such a moron, at the end clive is infinitely stronger than phoenix, at that power level resurrection is not unthinkable at all.
Leaker already confirmed he couldn't revive him. This is why there is a split in the media literacy division saying Joshua wrote the book or Clive as Joshua wrote the book filled with gay sex and transliens.
Yes because that what happened, Try thinking a little.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But half of you mongoloids say Clive wrote the book as Joshua, keep the frick up moron-kun
11 months ago
Anonymous
they are coping
11 months ago
Anonymous
What don't you understand? The redditgay that leaked this is obviously a moron (like most of you) and misunderstood Clive using Joshua's name as Joshua surviving.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So Clive wrote a book as his little brother that features him as a Gary Stu who says the TITLE of the book at the end and fricks his waifu and mentally cucks his enemies who are homosexuals. Got it. Amazing! Bravo Yoshi-P
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clive wrote everything that happened LITERALLY AS IT HAPPENED IN THE GAME
Anon come on.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don’t understand the book actually contains the perfect accord of when Clive stopped what he was doing for 30 minutes as the player went afk to esr dinner
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, okay, I get it. (You) guys can pick and choose head cannon shit without evidence and that's acceptable (Clive wrote the book as Joshua, Joshua survived or whatever interpretive moron camp your in), but if I say stuff is in the book without evidence, that's not unacceptable.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, for your own good, I really hope you are pretending to be moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
You guys literally have made shit up in this thread (Clive wrote the book, Clive resurrected Joshua, bro!) without any evidence, why can the book not be an accounting of the events in the game? This is precisely why the ending is moronic and you gays are coping hard
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clive resurrected
Clive quite literally never died, do you understand how stupid you sound?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>resurrected Joshua
finish the sentence moron. I know you guys have poor reading comprehension which is probably why you like this slop
11 months ago
Anonymous
>when I say things are my headcanon they are also 100% true btw
have a nice day
11 months ago
Anonymous
Claiming that Clive wrote the book as Joshua has, at the very least, an inkling of evidence, pretending that Clive wrote everything that happened literally (including shit that he literally wasn't present for, like the Barnabas thing) is moronic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> literally 2 kids in the ending only talking about fights >equates to 10 pages of barnbas x ay lmaoooo
i doubt you were even going to play this game but cmon
11 months ago
Anonymous
So what is Clive's narration at the start then? Is it from the book, and therefore some accounting of everything we see that follows or not? It's clearly not a children's book based on the narration.
11 months ago
Anonymous
its clear that clive included general details about what happened and that it. most likely didn't even right down any of dominates names. reason i can guess this is because the cut scene at the end literally implies this with the kids only knowing ifirit and bahumat. Nothing implies that clive wrote everything down from hugo getting cucked to dion spear chucking shenanigans
11 months ago
Anonymous
So your evidence for it just being general details is that the kids say the names of some the eikons? How do you know those are the only names they know? Did you need them to list off every eikon then and there?
What if they wrote this confusing shit in just to make you tools talk about it for months on end just like how they added time jannies to FF7 so that there's something to seethe at instead of moving on
>What if they wrote this confusing shit in just to make you tools talk about it for months
YoshiP is a people pleaser, either the leaker is a little bad at storytelling or they just decided to frick with us to sell us DLC which is a shit move.
FF7R was at least done with the purpose of getting people to stick around for parts 2 and 3.
XVI's seems to have been just to make a reference to other ivalice games but did it so poorly it makes you question who is even the author of the book.
The fact that people can see multiple interpretations to the ending says it all
Unless the developer literally state otherwise, clive to me died that day and Joshua survived and wrote the book
Even if Clive and Joshua appear and say to Jill: >"Jill, I really thought we were in our Final Fantasy XVI"
Some morons would be claiming: >"Uh guys, are we sure that Ultima isn't impersonating these 2? I mean, they never said that they aren't Ultima puppets LMAO Yoshit again with his hack ending, I won"
>Clive returns to Jill unharmed in a fulfilment of her wish and the last spark of magic at the end of an era of fantasy >Joshua is permanently dead as a sombre mirroring of the above, proof that magic is gone in the world shaped by Clive >Clive takes on his brother's identity as a pen name and writes of his adventure to pass onto future generations as a reminder of the final age of fantasy >Hundreds or more years later it has become a simple fairytale in a world where humanity stands on its own feet rather than subject to the will of an otherworldly race >"I don't get it was it all just a story, this is dumb"
>morons spent a year crying about Xenoblade 3 ending when literally everyone sane understood what was happening >FF16's ending is even more obvious about what's happening than XB3, directly shows Clive surviving, directly shows Jill's wish being fulfilled, finishes up with the ending lyrics too >some idiots STILL don't get it >barry continues samegayging in his helpless attempts to derail the perception of the game even though he will be destroyed by general reception of the game tomorrow and will never recover from humiliation
>morons spent a year crying about Xenoblade 3 ending when literally everyone sane understood what was happening
We understand what happened we were pissed that the end of a trilogy was treated like that when the previous games gave us pretty clear endings, instead of going with that bullshit, it was a shit move.
>We understand what happened
No, there was a shit ton of morons with hot takes like "Noah didn't disappear, it's a cinematic trick" or "the entire last segment is S Y M B O L I C".
Nah this is bullshit people clearly misunderstood the ending
You know what, frick it. I hope this shit becomes a trend. End a game on a satisfactory note then steal money from brainlets with an unnecessary DLC. I don’t give a frick. It was cringe with XB3 and it’s cringe now. The ending is obvious.
I thought it improved the combat or something? I didn't play it, never finished KH3
11 months ago
Anonymous
The free update that came before remind made the combat solid, but remind offered the data org and superboss which were all pretty good, especially with the updated kit.
Obviously we can't have a good thing without a bad thing so you can only get the new moves if you finish the game because the devs are morons.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It did, however the main adition was the ReMind epilogue + XIII boss fights + secret ending. Which made KHIII the best game in the franchise mechanically, the story sadly dropped the ball in lots of points.
Clive, Joshua, Jill, Torgal, and Dion are all alive.
Joshua squeezes every detail of Clive and Jill's sex scene out of them to spice up his autobiography. Dion is less forthcoming.
>TFW FF16 is just Xenoblade 3 2.0, both have shitty villains, and a huge filter of an ending.
So what will FF16's FR be? Leviathan set way before the events of the base game?
Combat: 5-7/10
A lot of depth and is extremely satisfying but the game is too easy to require you to get good at the combat. If you are playing for the challenge I give it a 5, otherwise, it gets a 7 from me.
Story: 6/10
Starts off very strong but the game goes off the rails and starts doing some shit just for the sake of being epic.
Cinematics/Epicness/Amazement: 10/10
A lot of things in this game will make you go "HOLY SHIT" There isn't another game that comes close to being this jaw-dropping.
Music: 9/10
Self Explanatory. Just play or watch the demo/trailers and you'll see why.
Overall personal enjoyment: 7.5/10
I personally enjoy difficulty and overcoming a challenge and this game doesn't really offer any of it even in final fantasy mode. Which is a surprise coming from the studio that made Savage and Ultimate fights. Disappointing game for me.
I imagine MC score will be 86 at a minimum, and 91 at most.
>People hyping up Barnabas as the Vergil >He's a bi bawd with a mommy complex >Dion, the actual homosexual, has a better character than he has, and has an epic death
Bros...
joshua sort of won
clive won
jill won
dion won
benedikta LOOOOOOOOOOST HAHAHA
cid... won?
HUGO. HAHAHAHA HUGO
barnabas doesn't even care if he wins or loses, he just wants mommy's milk
Barnabas seems to be the Broly of FF16. Hell the 2nd half of 16 is just FF x Xeno x DBZ.
Broly is cool, but also so fricking stupid from a writing standpoint. Hopefully side quests expand more on Barnabas.
But there's zero reason for him to follow Ultima though, they should've just skipped the aliens and made Annabella the true villain because she was actually threatening
But there is a reason, barnabas is a foil to Clive. He’s like this anon
[...]
Barnabas sees the world as shit, if he works with Ultima he gets to destroy the world while indulging in hedonism. Clive is the opposite and wants to persist anyways. Similar thing with Hugo who lets revenge consume him and Clive who has it tempered by having other outlets, namely Jill.
They never actually establish that in game though, he literally shows up after 3/4 of the game is over, monologues then does some stupid plot because the ayylmao told him to
11 months ago
Anonymous
They do and a lot of it is during his fight.
11 months ago
Anonymous
His fight that happens... When the game is almost over. Even the leaker who's an actual shill said he was disappointing, get off yoshi-p's dick
But there is a reason, barnabas is a foil to Clive. He’s like this anon
>Clive is enslaved >Watches everything he knows get wiped out or enslaved >Sees an entire "race" of people, including himself, viewed as nothing but subhuman resources >Sees people murder each other constantly, engage in wars over ideology, resources, wealth, power >Sees entire settlements get butchered out of petty jealousy and revenge >Watches his own mother destroy whole kingdoms just to increase her own social standing >Sees an entire continent turn themselves into slaves simply because they lack personal will >"I'll trust in humanity."
What? Why? He has a few good friends, but 99% of the world fricking sucks.
Barnabas sees the world as shit, if he works with Ultima he gets to destroy the world while indulging in hedonism. Clive is the opposite and wants to persist anyways. Similar thing with Hugo who lets revenge consume him and Clive who has it tempered by having other outlets, namely Jill.
>Clive and Jill
Won and lived through >Cid
Won but died >Joshua and Dion
Won but became schrodinger cats >Barnabas
Did his duty but ultimately lost >Benedikta and Hugo
HAHAHAHAHA
>everyone saying cid won >when his daughter got no way'd and will end up a spinster without kids, stunting technological progress on valisthea
Mid Lost
>trailer that shows the book opening >"it has been 1500 years since the fall of our forebears and Valisthea has been slowly dying ever since"
I thought this was about the Fallen originally but it could equally be confirming Clive fricked the world lmao. it's also hand written not printed showing humans never evolved their tech. this seems to hint whatever happened we got the bad end
It still isn't clear, looking at the whole trailer the narrator is talking about the in-game time period only, not 1500 years after Clive died. So it is about the Fallen.
However the book is interesting. The table its on is shitty, its lit by candle light not oil lamp and the scene is all dark. This isn't a happy ending. It seems like Clive lost and nothing really improved assuming the events are real.
>It seems like Clive lost and nothing really improved assuming the events are real
I mean Ultima clearly said that the blight would be an apocalypse, Clive just didn't care KEK.
>Clive is enslaved >Watches everything he knows get wiped out or enslaved >Sees an entire "race" of people, including himself, viewed as nothing but subhuman resources >Sees people murder each other constantly, engage in wars over ideology, resources, wealth, power >Sees entire settlements get butchered out of petty jealousy and revenge >Watches his own mother destroy whole kingdoms just to increase her own social standing >Sees an entire continent turn themselves into slaves simply because they lack personal will >"I'll trust in humanity."
What? Why? He has a few good friends, but 99% of the world fricking sucks.
It's funny how hard the devs go for "This world is brutal, no one is spared. Rape is a thing that every women faces."
But... "Jill is pure ok. She's pure don't worry guys, everyone's either afraid of her; or she's left alone because they want to piss off Clive (because raping her wouldn't piss off Clive apparently). Don't worry she's pure"
Feels like the writers are cucks.
>"Jill is pure ok. She's pure don't worry guys, everyone's either afraid of her; or she's left alone because they want to piss off Clive (because raping her wouldn't piss off Clive apparently). Don't worry she's pure"
Japanese writing at it's finest.
It’s funny how upset you are the world is internally consistent with itself, why would the ironbloods touch her. Why would anyone frick with a dominant
>Meanwhile Benedikta
KEK. Continue to defend bad writing.
They could've easily had barney rape Jill but avoided it because "he sees himself only for Ultima" but instead Barney ensures that no one will touch Jill because they want to piss of Clive. What kind of logic is that???
>Inb4 you want to see Clive get ntr'd
No. I just find it funny how the writers are willing to abandon their own tone just to ensure that their favourite is pure. Bad things can happen to everyone BUT Jill needs to be safe!
Would Clive himself have survived if he didn't have the magic powers that he took from the world?
Nevermind beating the Fallen, which he obviously never could have done, I mean just surviving in a world full of monsters. I mean without Phoenix's powers, would his sickly brother Joshua even have survived childhood?
The existence of Bearers and Dominants allowed an inhumane level of abuse and inequality
Even if the shitty governments will form afterward, they won't be THIS awful
The world of Bearers and Dominants is like the worst traits of medieval societies, magnified by the fact "blood rituals involving infants" actually produce power.
>The existence of Bearers and Dominants allowed an inhumane level of abuse and inequality >Even if the shitty governments will form afterward, they won't be THIS awful
A-anon... Did you take history growing up? Or did they just call it "holocaust class" where you are?
>yeah bro the real world history is worse than the same medieval societies BUT WITH ACCESS TO WMD AND POWER SOURCES TAKEN FROM LIFE OF A SLAVE HUMAN CASTE
And yet, magnify that with human batteries and WMDs.
FF16 is among the grimmest magical settings and Clive did a right thing removing that shift from the world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm saying that this is a question of human nature first and foremost. He solved some issues, but also created new ones. Ultimately it wasn't the existence of magic which caused people to abuse it, people will do that with anything to just as disastrous consequence.
doomies still seem to be under the impression that if they shit their diapers hard enough in public that they'll succeed at tanking games
but they've never succeeded at doing anything but embarrassing themselves so i wonder where the conceit comes from
I think they could shit their diapers hard enough to change public perception they just aren’t smart enough to do it correctly. See: this entire ending debacle where their strategy is to pretend to be mentally moronic
What they should be doing is spamming the JRPG spoilers and how the got shit was a bait, that might turn normalgays off if they shit their diapers hard enough about it being too anime. Ironic, because they shat their diapers about the game being too GoT
KYS PORN FURRY homieS LEAVE MY FINAL FANTASY AND VIDYA ALONE YOU homosexual ABOMINATIONS THIS MEDIUM ISN'T FOR YOU GO WATCH NETFLIX INSTEAD YOU FRICKING DEGENERATES
ALL OF YOU ARE FRICKING FURRIES I KNOW WHY ELSE WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT PORN ALL DAY
really ? i don't think that true, in the fight clive said that humanity was strong enough to survive it but not that it will disappear.
that probably why the post credit scene is so long after the main game, humanity probably only beat the blight recently.
>Enough time has passed that Clive's tales of eikons and magic are regarded as fairy tales >But... not enough time has passed that people have to still use flint for fire >Even though the base game has the steam engine being invented, and the people in the post-credits scene are all literate despite being poor.
Something doesn't add up here!
>Yes a small cottage in the middle of nowhere will obviously have a steam engine
Are doomies for real? Even fricking today some people use flint to light a fire when going camping.
I don't think saying the world is fricked over is doomerism. I mean Clive basically makes a leap of faith in the ending, that doesn't mean it worked out for humanity
I guess the mere fact there are kids playing and having fun in a picturesque rural cottage in the woods is testament to humanity persisting and surviving through the suffering that the blight may or may not have caused
The point I feel is that humanity got to decide that on its own terms through Clive's actions, rather than be subject to the whims of the Fallen and Ultima
11 months ago
Anonymous
For all we know the Blight is still ongoing. From what we see it just turns environments worse, like the woodland turning into a shitty swamp. I don't think we see the outside, so all we know is trees exist and kids are playing. From that it's impossible to know the full state of the world, but from some other inferences it also seems like technology has regressed despite time advancing far forward.
Personally I think all of Valistheia was consumed by the Blight and they had to exodus to another continent to start from scratch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I can see your point of view but feel you might be reading too much into it, it comes across as a simple message of hope to me
What the kids think of as fantastic heroics and tales of monsters and magic are real events that led to their peaceful free world, and enough time has passed that they are blissfully unaware
That's why I like this ending, there's quite a few different ways to interpret it based on your own perception
People used flint for literally hundreds of years after the advent of the steam engine and that’s in real life where our laws of physics stayed the same
this is true. the book is lit by candle light and written by quill not oil lamp and print. we only see flint. you can only deduct clive doomed the world or it's a fantasy book that never happened
>Mother says that Eikons and magic isn't real
But anon's are arguing that it's actually all real and set 1000 years in the future but technology hasn't changed and all knowledge has been lost so everyone forgot about Eikon's and magic and Clive took Joshua's name and abandoned Cid's name and this doesn't sound moronic at all.
Occam's Razor: It's a fantasy book meant to teach morals to kids.
by the way, i dunno if anyone noticed but barry's actually gone apeshit the past few days over at /vrpg/
too bad the board's almost dead so its just been him replying to himself
its an exact play by play of his posts on the leak threads, only no one's to reply so its like hes just been copy-pasting everytime something new comes up
At this point only Claire can save us, and she will. Our Mother will come back, because Her story begins at the very moment when the Myth of the Great Final Fantasy ends.
Forever a Flash, forever my Queen, forever my Goddess...
Really curious to see tomorrow's reviews. To be honest, kinda disappointed with the story, the game's bossfights and setpieces sound insane tho
So i wonder if it's a case of combat carrying narrative.
The story is extremely functional. Among the mainline FF entries it's among the best ones. It's not a high bar to set but after two decades of GARBAGE getting a story in line with 6, 7, 9 and 10 is a fricking miracle.
it gets better
when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
>when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
Most shafted characters in FF history, it's fricking insane. Titan reputation will never recover even Odin got some cool shit to redeem Barny.
Bahamut, Phoenix got respect, Ifrit got wanked into high heavens.
it gets better
when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
>when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
Most shafted characters in FF history, it's fricking insane. Titan reputation will never recover even Odin got some cool shit to redeem Barny.
Bahamut, Phoenix got respect, Ifrit got wanked into high heavens.
Hugogays lost so hard they stopped fricking existing
Bene's hypocrisy right after makes it even better. She had plenty of people caring for her, she just turned her back to them. Those two are made for each other. I can't believe so many of you simps felt pity for her.
So, book bros... the Final Fantasy book is written post Elwin death. It mentions his death in past tense.
Other parts seem to be written in present tense, as if it were written between the time the demo ended and when Joshua was wandering around with his waifu. Talks about how lithisis is happening and what Eikons exist in the world and such.
I'm not sure what to conclude. It looks more like a fantasy story to me than it does autobiography or history book.
Because as it is now; you can argue for both "It was all fake" and it's based on "real events that have been forgotten". It's not like one answer perfectly explains everything without resorting to [headcanon].
>ywn have a cute childhood friend who is also a 30 year old virgin hag
The only protag that won harder is possibly Cloud, and fumbled hard after fricking Tifa with all that edgy AC bullshit
>people saying flint mean they were uncivilized with no tech
I remember my grama would start fire using a flint and an other thing , and that was only 20 years ago.
Also from the picture the book looks really high quality, clearly not a "dark age level" type of book technologically.
>devs opt to not show any kind of advanced tech in the background >book hand written >candles not oil >fricking shack in the woods not brick house or in a city
oh yes ultima was definitively right about the blight fricking the world up.
What I'm wondering is if the humanity did beat the blight in the post credit scene or if the world is still fricked.
Yes, but your grandma surely knew that there were other ways to start a fire.
These kids don't, it's either flint or magic to them. No other way. Hell they're moronic enough that they don't even have a fire in the cottage to take from like most normal people in the middle ages.
>said they are bad at romance story >never marketed their game as romance >literally just created one of good FF's love story
What did they mean by this?
Wait, have people in this thread never used flint before? It was literally one of the first thing we did when we went camping. Everyone go to try to make a fire and we did it, we got a badge for honor.
Idk any spoilers or reading them but I get the feeling we haven't gotten this much lolcow reaction since FFX sequels where tidus kicks a blitzball turning out to be a bomb and gets decapitated
It will unironically revive FF to the public. Of course you gays will keep crying like you always do but if you think it's not gonna be a tremendous success, you are delusional.
FF almost never had a solid ending like X but one thing is for sure. The trust broken by 15 is back and people will look forward for more new mainline while also giving kino to nostalgia fans have with 7rebirth and 9remake
Learn basic media literacy.
Margrace-kun is either a fricking moron who misinterpreted the ending or a genius for continuing to throw gasoline on an open fire
it's actually been more kino since the leaks stopped
The ending is pretty open-ended in general so it makes sense that everyone, the leakers including, have differing takes.
I don't mind the fairy tale ending. It's less than dumb than Joshua writing a historical piece about Barnabas eating alien pussy and calling his brother a kissless 30 year old virgin while giving himself a tomboy wife.
>and calling his brother a kissless 30 year old virgin while giving himself a tomboy wife.
Ngl, if I were writing a historical piece, a recounting of extraordinary events, a tale of epic proportions and my brother was in it in ANY capacity, I can absolutely ASSURE you that the above would be the bare fricking minimum I would write about that c**t.
Hi Mat. Frick you.
He’s a paid shill in my opinion. Only a complete fricking moron could misinterpret the ending
It’s like he baited the doomposters into arguing for the most moronic shit ever. It makes the naysayers look like total clowns and it generates discussion. Reeks of a marketing gimmick
Nah, the "Clive/Joshua/Clive's son wrote the book" headcanon is cope and contradicts shit the leaker already mentioned like how Phoenix can't revive people. It makes all kinds of logical leaps to make a symbolic ending in order to avoid the ending spelled out plain.
This is just Japanese storytelling.
Sorry, you're just not media literate enough to understand the ending senpai
Clive never died anon, and the phoenix has nothing to do with him surviving.
I like the ending other than the fact that they don't hard-commit to showing Clive's survival and getting back to Jill. A bit cowardly.
Hopefully they mend that at some point.
I didn't like any part of the leaks. Every time something new was reveled it was dumber than the last leak.
Why are Japs just completely unable to tell a good story anymore?
pandering to americans now. it gets worse and worse.
at least with XIII there was a clear vision and everything still felt very japanese
True. I hated 13 like the plague but at least it actually still felt like some insane person was behind the wheel, not a committee of international financial advisors. I think I'd rather have the nonsense of the generic, thank you.
>13 ends with everyone going to Earth
>Lightning becomes a fashion model
Wat
it ends with earth but they didn't redcon the whole fricking story afterwards.
also the fashion model thing is just comerical for another company. let's not act like it's canon just to win an argument
Black person WUT WUT Black person WUT U OK Black person WUTWUTWUT?????
no it fricking didn't, lightning returns might have ended that way idk, but 13 didn't nor did 13-2
>nonsensical moron babble
fricking wut?
it was wild but the ending did ruin it
Really have to see the post credits to see what the intended meaning was, did margrace think Clive was dead?
He said that Dion, Joshua and Clive's deaths are left open. He did say though that Joshua said earlier that reviving a dead person is impossible even for the Phoenix so Clive shouldn't be able to revive him. He still tried because why wouldn't he?
>reviving a dead person is impossible even for the Phoenix
Phoenix Down bros, what the frick is this shit?
It's said multiple times. Even in the demo. Phoenix has amazing healing but can't revive people.
I know, I was just shitposting
Also, don't you think that overcharged 8 Eikons + Ultima Clive had reality bending powers in a Japanese game?
How come no one talks about the game itself? The story is dog shit, but how's the game? Can you level up your party members? Collect rare weapons? Visit different towns?
>party members
bro you cant even pick your own party members
Kill Yoshi Piss
So just like the best final fantasy game (it’s 4 btw) kino incoming
>frogBlack person
ALL THE TOURISTS ARE HERE!
Alright alright alright
But hear me out.
How's the gameplay? How come no one is talking about it? I can forgive the alyen shit... Pretend it's not as bad as SnK/Gantz/Naruto/etc.
Just tell me, how's the gameplay.
you need to go back
Hopefully you aren't there.
Any news on the gameplay for this game, tho?
It's fun, just pick up the demo. It's kind of a character action style game, it doesn't feel like DMC exactly but you can clearly feel the inspiration. Feedback is good on hit, lots of options, parries feel good, precision dodging feels good. I liked it a lot. Gameplay wise. Don't know about anything else.
>Touch the gameplay subject
>They enter panic mode
Don't worry you'll win GOTY nonetheless. Gays of the Year.
>exposed as a shitposting tourist Black person
it’s over
??
I just answered the question. I take it you don't like the stagger mechanics?
When an anon posts this clip, you'll know he's here
I just wish dodge was on circle. I know there's a control style for it but it maps attack to a shoulder button which feels weird. Everything else tho is pretty fukken good. Hitless Garuda felt good to accomplish, and I hope that feeling persists using the trial stone things.
My capcha was AMV 8K that's pretty funny.
You can bypass the game and remap to whatever you want in PS5 accessibility settings, but the in game prompts won't reflect it
Yeah, I saw that but I still think it's less than ideal.
I like XV a lot, been replaying it as I prep for XVI. Comfy road trip bros is so nice. I said i'd actually kill Omega this time before XVI dropped but I don't think I'm going to make it. Sadge.
>plz spoonfeed me like the tourist homosexual I am
KEK
>shills know all they have is a shitty story that people can just youtube
Thanks for saving me from buying a snoystation
well all the eikon abilities leaked
probably because no one has played it yet, moron, so story is the only thing anyone can discuss
The demo is out. Too bad it's mostly cutscenes.
>prologue that sets up cut scenes and then after its finished put you in the literal COMBAT DEMO
tell me you didnt play the game without playing the game
>How come people talk about the leaked story of a game not yet released
damn, a true mistery
>dips to 20 fps on performance mode
>combat is shit like seen at
[...]
>Touch the gameplay subject
>They enter panic mode
Don't worry you'll win GOTY nonetheless. Gays of the Year. and full of shitty QTE
>overheats ps5s during the morbol fight and other
the game just plainly garbage all around, but the troony alien cuck story is just over the top shit
it didn't overheat or crash during the demo for me though
Not everyone, but it did happen to quite a few people especially during morbol fight with warning messages of overheating. There is also reports of ps5s not turning back on entirely. So something definetly is wrong with the game and the devs seriously didnt want to do a day 1 patch after this horrible demo kek.
For me, it was the troony oral sex scene for no reason at all.
Or even in the demo, the make out scene for no reason at all.
>Or even in the demo, the make out scene for no reason at all
literally set up for ben/hugo plot. are you fricking moronic
I SAYING THIS MANY TIMING NOW BUT PEOPLE FINALLY SEEING HOW IT IS MOVIE AND NOIT GAMEING.... TYHEY ARE POSTING HOW THE MOVE STORY IS BAD.... THEY NOW REALISING THE THAT MAYBE MOVIE WAS BAD ALL ALONG.... IF MOVIE STORY = BAD... GAME = GAD...... BUT IF GAMEING STORY = BAD AND GAMING GAME = GOOD... GAME STILL GOOD!!!
YOU SEEING NOW? MOVIE GAMIEING KILLING GAMES... NO MORE GIVING MONEY TO MOVIE GAMEING
SEEING NOW HE HE SAYING WHAT I AM SAYING? NO MAN IN THESE THREADINGS SAYING HOW THEY ARE LIKING THE GAMEING OF THE GAME, THEY ONLY SAYING ON HOW THE MOVIE IS AND NOW THEY EVEN SAYING IT IS BAD MOVIE....
SUPPORT GAME.... NOT MOVIE!!!!! GIVE ME GAME... NOT MOVIE!!!!!
Who invited gupta ?
Here's your gameplay
Almost every aspect of this game is shit, which has made for fun leaks
Agreed, the reaction to
was absolutely amazing
did people actually think it was a made up story?
doomtrannies are pretending to be moronic enough to believe that, yea
opinions differ
Low IQ posters do.
if it's made up, none of it really happened and barry wins
if it's not made up, kids read a book about alien bussy and hugo cuck fantasies and barry wins
the discussion is irrelevant
>if it's not made up, kids read a book about alien bussy and hugo cuck fantasies and barry wins
Sounds based. How is this a win for you Barry?
Or
Those things simply aren't in the book version of the story? If Clive didn't narrate them then he wouldn't include them
Wait, so Clive wrote the book now? Or was it Joshua? PLEASE MEDIA LITERATES, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS "GOOD" ENDING YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT!!!
>so Clive wrote the book now? Or was it Joshua
that were the ambiguity is, we can't know for sure
Book is attributed to Joshua but he is apparently dead at the end while Clive is implied to survive, and the beginning of the game has Clive narrating as if he is beginning a story, so it's easy to deduce that Clive wrote it under Joshua's name.
>Took his little bro's powers
>Took his little bro's name
Was Clive... based?
So Clive wrote a story under his brother's name about how he mentally cucked Kupka and Barnabus fricked an alien? Why would he do that? And children read this story by Clive as Joshua?
There's no evidence that stuff made it in to the novel
There's also no evidence that Clive wrote the book as Joshua but half you morons keep insisting its self-evident and the other half are claiming Clive resurrected Joshua, which also has zero evidence, so why can't I assume that stuff is all in the book?
I don't think that Clive would stole his brother's name, that's too fricked up.
Unless they are going with a Futurama ending but I also don't like that.
Is Clive even aware of Barnabas' shenanigans? I would imagine the narrative is not complete.
>So Clive wrote a story under his brother's name
the biggest argument for this theory is the fact that at the beginning of the game it's clive who narrate the game like he is reading the book.
you can see it here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E4L3luqUTY
sure thing
he also added all the hours spent hunting marks
It's whatever you want to interpret
It's a cope lmao
Why the frick would clive take Joshua's name
Joshua 100% survived and clive fricking died
>Clive is shown to be alive, just with a stone hand
>Moon ex machina was wished on to bring him back to his wife (who totally never got raped)
>He's the pinnacle of humanity thanks to ayylmao eugenics
>Ending song explicitly states 'i was sad and the moon brought me back to you'
>Clive is the ultimate Gary stu in the story
He absolutely wrote it
>(who totally never got raped)
Hilarious, I can't believe he managed to write every incel's dream (30s virgin saving themselves for each other) and Ganker has doomposters about it.
She saw the sun anon not the moon
The point is she wished on the magic wishing object that disappears after a wish is granted
Because he steals the name of people important to him to carry on their legacy, he literally became Cid at one point
There's literally a story reason why he took cid's name
No reason whatsoever he took Joshua's
Using a pen name doesn't mean you literally become the person anon, he used the pen name because everyone already thought Joshua was dead and it was his way to keep his memory going for the future.
>Literally all headcanon
If Clive wrote the book and made himself into a Gary Stu, that makes the ending even more moronic
>If
As far as we know, the book can diverge a lot from the story, but the entire point of Clive and Ultima's conflict at the end was that Clive believed that humanity would overcome the blight and preservere. Which they do. This + the fact that the game opens with his narration + the fact that they have a dlc/sequel in mind makes the premise of the story not being real extremely strange. That said, I do think the framing is too ambiguous to it's detriment.
Sure, the book can differ from the story, but if Clive is narrating like in the opening, and we open with the Ifrit/Phoenix fight, we know some of the stuff that happens in-game is included in the book. The fact that people then proceed to pick and choose what is showcased in a book called "Final Fantasy" by "Joshua Rosfield" in a game called "Final Fantasy 16" based on nothing but headcannon only further shows how moronic the book ending is
Like I said, it's too ambiguous for it's own good but I don't think the
>It was all a fake story
shit makes more sense than Clive returning, taking a pen name after Joshua and making sure the story of him and his crew is remembered until it eventually becomes "mythos" (which is also what Ultima calls him) for the current generation of humanity.
>H..he definitely wrote a book using brothers name for literally no reason
its joshua. Clive wouldn't disrespect his brother like writing a book about this event. doesnt fit his personality at all
Sony ponies desperate for a GOTY contender cause they know Spider-man 2 doesn't have a fighting chance against Tears of Kingdom and Starfield
Unlike Cucklive based Noctis is shown with his wife at the end of the game. XV-kuns won, that’s a new recipeh
ahem
You keep posting this but Joshua is confirmed dead by game's end.
Actually, he lives. He writes a book and honours his brother's deeds
No, people keep saying Clive wrote the story as Joshua. Keep up with the newest moronic media literate interpretation, newbie
lol, thats some fricking cope.
Yeah, but FFgays have to be in denial about their ending being "ludo kino" of the highest order
>Joshua, why is Dion gay in your book? He married that girl that nursed you back to health. Why'd you make their daughter adopted?
>Shut the frick up Mid.
>joshua was a fujo all along
I'm not a fan of the post credit ending. There could have been many ways to relay to the audience the same message they're trying to convey.
> Mother narrates the ending of the book to her kids
> Kids ask, "it's hard to believe we once wielded magic mother, I would rather have them so we can do chores faster"
> Mother tells kids they wouldn't have ______ if it wasn't for inventions
> We are now free to become anything without magic holding us back
> Kids go i guess so and plays outside
> Mother looks outside and have a subtle idk inner dialogue thanking great great great grandfather Rosfield about his journey
Generic i know but I'll take my headcanon to whatever that post credit scene was. Still the story was kini and i know Barny gooner will be my mvp
That shit is so fricking awful anon, that’s so on the nose they might as well had yoshi p stare directly at the camera and relay the information
It's just Square Eenix writing. I remember the end of FF7R where Aerith turned around and looked in the camera and went on a several minute rant about how they were changing their destinies and how they weren't following the original timeline anymore. Pure schlock.
Tbf this plot isn't exactly subtle. But really all it needed was Clive's silhouette in the distance or Jill opening the door and a shadow on the ground
These are the people critiquing the story.
i liked the meta story more about how 1 man named barry destroy an entire fanbase.
Ambiguity for ambiguity's sake is a worn out meme
>random discovery of ayylmaos behind everything in the last 10% of the game
why do JRPGs always do this? the big bad are always Ayys or God.
They can't figure the power scaling shit out. It always has to escalate to fighting gods.
They're revealed in the first 10 hours and kill Cid
>clive destroys magic and eikons
>leviathan's dominant just drowns in the middle of the ocean
>I assure you, Clive, the cuck fantasy where you bite Benedikta is vital to my children's story
>Joshua was actually the /d/egenerate all along
Wrong, Clive wrote that as Joshua under the newest interpretation, which makes it even funnier.
He's alive. Joshua still needs to give his cute maid children
He dies at the end of the game.
its not clive lol stop coping
It's the current media literate interpretation, otherwise, how do you explain Joshua dying in the ending and Clive living thanks to Jill's wish in the ending and us getting such a good ending?
>Clive stealing his lil bro's name
That's awful, stop coping. Clive and Joshua both lived, Clive thanks to Jill's wish and Joshua thanks to Clive's vow.
That doesn't make sense. Joshua dies in the game and Clive can't revive him. Sounds like you're making up some head cannon and don't understand basic media literacy.
Japanese writing, bro. I know my shit. Clive was Godkiller tier in that moment.
with the hindsight of the ending, this kid is a huge degenerate
>writes a full chapter about his brother and "sister" fricking
Kinda based ngl.
new to the leaks, qrd?
Alien incest bi and homosexual sex
the whole story is a fairy tale written by a boy, Joshua was his self insert in the story. Clive was inspired by his older siblings.
Didn't Clive have a phoenix father in his pocket the whole time? What happened to that plot point?
the time has come for people to appreciate XV.
it just took a worse FF to come out.
how the frick did Barry win lmao
XV basically had no story for parts of it how did it win at all? Because you didn't like parts of this specific story?
Dont bite on such easy bait anon.
They should have answered the question. All these leaks and we still don't know why they made MC looks like a bird.
Guys why does Ganker need to be contrarian and constantly pretend every good game that gets released is terrible just because its popular.
I'd love to actually talk about games in this place without having to wait a year for it to get off the contrarian radar.
Because ever since The Old Republic fiasco back in the early New 10's, Ganker has been desperate to have another TORtanic situation to shitpost about ad nauseum with only Cyberpunk 2077 at launch coming close in the years since.
I am definitely interested to see what the reviewers think of the ending, it will probably be reflected in the scores
>implying reviewers beat games
imagine trying to argue a straightforward ending with a bunch of lobotomites
leakride is the most fun i had on Ganker for weeks. Game sounds cool and i'm gonna play it. even if i don't care for the book stuff
So fricking glad we're out of the 13/15 cuck era. Jesus clucking christ it lasted final fantasy 15 fricking years long.
What do you mean? Don't you want your main couple to not interact all and only get together after both died?
Did the leaker mention if the Eikons gain more than five abilities?
theres only 3 ability slots per eikon and you only get to pick 3 eikons
Did the leaker mentuon that the narrator all throughout the game is Clive?
There is no narrator during the game. It's not told from a storytelling perspective but as actual events.
Game starts like that, but they never use that mode of storytelling.
t.leaker
Huh??? Media literates keep telling me Clive narrates the game and wrote the book as Joshua, though?
it's obvious the ending is set in the distant future where humans are still struggling to survive without magic an crystals
You mean where they're starting to finally make things work for them?
But yeah.
>nooooo it's just a random guy who self inserted into his book, the game is not real
The media literacy comment really got the them huh?
Can you prove any of it actually happened?
basic media literacy, that all you need
Elaborate
It's the new meme word from the discord server.
Nah lWe'll do it another way :
Let's say we have a way to mindread the FFXVI story writer. which ending do you think is the correct one in the author's mind?
1-The game is not real and nothing happened
2-People forgot about magic after the blight apocalypse
1 or 2 ?
Sounds like 1. Because the writer forgot to show proof that any of it actually happened when he decided to go with the book ending.
That's the difference between LoTR and XVI.
He didn’t ask what the writer showed he asked what they think
I feel bad for you, don’t know what led you to be like this.
>just believe in my interpretation, there's no proof that it happened but I swear it did
this is called headcanon my friends.
>Sounds like 1. Because the writer forgot to show proof that any of it actually happened when he decided to go with the book ending
???? you people aren't real, i refuse to believe it.
"you need to show proof that a character would write a book" ?? that on what you base your interpretation??
Bro i really need a break from Ganker
Leaker put his own headcanon into the last post, when the entire ending scene is literally an ambiguous ending like FF6 (the magic ceasing to existing ) and FF7
>when the entire ending scene is literally an ambiguous ending
so either it was all just a storybook or you have to start making up headcanon as to how the book was even written.
>acting like the it's all a fairy tale isn't the biggest headcanon of them all
Basic fanfiction and copium is all you need. Media literacy is just nerds reading too much into shit because their lives are boring.
ending sounded good though
I like it well enough besides Joshua apparently dying again
The mere fact morons here manage to completely misunderstand such an obvious ending (including the dipshit leaker who somehow missed the fact the book is printed) only proves most posters here have actual room temp IQ.
You don't deserve such a game after nearly two decades of offline FF disasters.
I feel second-hand embarrassment at it, t b h.
I cope by telling myself it's all just doomposters literally pretending to be moronic.
>no trust me bro the guy who died before the final boss actually wrote the story as a legend to pass
>oh yea wait he is dead. ok then uh... it was Clive! he pretended to be Joshua just like how i pretend to be super smart lol lmao
>ok how about this we are very far into the future and one of Clive's gay descendants is also coincidentally called Joshua and that guy wrote it
>no wait please listen it actually happened please i can't let Barry win!
It's funny how fricking hard you're getting destroyed even on plebbit, barry.
kys xv-kun
Can't believe they wrote in a tomboy wienersleeve for Joshua and just left it like that
She will actually slit your fricking throat if you look at him wrong way. Which only makes her hotter.
Honestly the story is about as final fantasy as it gets. This board is full of b***hes.
>seething this hard
KEK
I’m excited to play some grand adventure game where I use the power of summons to destroy an ancient otherworldly threat, continue to seethe, cope and dilate
No doubt it’d be a shitshow. Hell the reaction to any of the big story shifts of 6-10 would be as bad as this
I'm trying to picture how the current state of this board would've reacted to the ending of FFX and I'm thinking it would be exactly as bad as this.
It's funny because Yu Yevon and Necron are arguably worse than Ultima motivation wise according to these leaks imo.
>weeks, months of calling tidus a cuck
>cope theories
>the absolute shitstorm of X-2 getting announced
FFX-2 was a masterpiece and today's Ganker would love it if there weren't a dozen malding boomers crying about ruining their precious shitty FFX story.
I mean people to this day still misunderstand dream zanarkand. The thing is though that’s somewhat understandable while this is a basic ass lord of the rings trope. The doomgays should make fun of how generic it is rather than doing whatever the frick it is they are trying to say
90% of FF stories are pretty cliche. It's all execution. VII wasn't a groundbreaking story at the time it was just told in a way people really enjoyed.
guys you literally see clive survive
he ends up on the beach, alive with one arm petrified that he holds up to the moon
And Jill symbolically gets her wish granted when Metia disappears and he comes back.
The reveal of Joshua's name on the book is like the last piece of a happy ending. Motherfricker survived too.
They made it.
do they have threesomes?
the ending was great, they could have shown clive coming back to jill, maybe without an arm, but the fact that she smiles at the sunrise its a dead giveaway that he comes back.
maybe the pc release next year expands on that and hows us a true ending.
yeah the ending is fine
i just wish they embraced the happy ending aspect with fanfare and all that, instead of downplaying it for ambiguity points
agree, they could have shown jill running to him and giving him a giant hug and this whole sub would have been singing praises and calling the game a masterpiece.
>sub
whats looking like the best eikons loadout to use so far?
Book ending is the most easy to understand trope in writing ever. I swear most of posters here are so dumb, i bet they don't understand LaLa Land's ending too
are you samegayging around with the same take over and over?
get kek'd homosexual the game is shit
>implying I watch movies
>implying I play movie games
It's annoying that they literally did that right before in Heavensward then rubbed it into your face in Dragonsong Ultimate's obnoxious nearly 2 minute outro cutscene
>right before
HW released almost a fricking decade ago now
And the entire HW staff went on to work on this game immediately afterwards, yes.
I felt my soul leaving when my gf didn't understand La La Land
Never seen that movie. What's the rundown on that?
It's a normalgay movie, I won't recommend it.
If you are a Goslinggay whoever I can't stop you.
Saw a couple of images of the couple so I just gonna assume they break up at the end.
Did anyone ever finished Final Fantasy mode to see if there's an extra ending?
The devs have said it's a single narrative. Wouldn't make sense to lock a whole other ending behind a replay imo.
Streamers getting a day earlier access?
How long did it take you to make your shitty meme?
Like a minute or so, why do you ask?
its not a very high effort image anon
>Frodo's book that he wrote chronicling his adventure before going to the Undying Lands
>Joshua's book that he wrote despite being dead in the said book's narrative?
Yes, Japanese devs don't even understand how the LOTR framing works, so the LOTR framing is fine and the FF16 one is not.
frick off, Valkyria Chronicles handled it perfectly too. dont project Square Enix homosexualry onto everyone else
The difference is that for Tolkien this was part of the worldbuilding, for FFXVI it's just tacked on because they liked how it worked in Heavensward and Ivalice before it.
Anon in another thread explained it better than I could.
That guy didn’t explain shit. He just said it doesn’t work because it doesn’t actually show Joshua writing the book. Regardless of whether you show him writing the book or not, it doesn’t prove that the events of the story never actually happened like the moron leaker said.
>That guy didn’t explain shit.
>he's wrong because he is
woah
>it doesn’t prove that the events of the story never actually happened
Then can you prove they happened?
The issue is that you can't prove whether they happened and whether it didn't
In FFT, you are absolutely certain that at least the major plot beats happened
In Heavensward, you are certain it all happened
In FF16, you aren't. You can interpret it as a fairy tale that wasn't real or a real historic thing that people forgot about. That's the issue. It's half assed.
How long is it
HAPPYING NOW SOME PEOPLE AWAKING UP... TRUTH IS I LOVING FINAL FANTASY GAMEING.... BUT I HATING "MOVIE FANTASY" I WANT TRUE FINAL FANTASY GAMEING... NO "MOVIE FANTASY".....
it's funny this game will be a mixed bag at best
turnbased gays will hate it
based homophobes will hate it
non porn-obsessed people will hate the excessive sex
others will hate the ending (with tons of Socrates Black folk acting like it actually has a deep meaning)
XVI will rise and fall really hard
this. the game is doomed
the jornos will like it though and praise it to high heavens. just like how they did Last of Us 2. for being brave and whatever the frick to display the abomination they do in the cutscenes. and for interpreting way too much bullshit in an open ending that is intentionally left vague so the wanna-be cosmo brains can defend it with 0 evidence.
all hell is loose around this game right now. and i'm really looking forward to how the whole shit shapes up. it's literally just TLOU2 all over again
https://www.reddit.com/user/bladestrikex
He's going fricking nuclear
Hoo boy.
god that's sad. Not sure why people was expecting such a weird end result. Jill is a chad who locked things down from day 1.
What the frick barry on the reddit?
Karma
-98
ahhahaha
>spamming spoilers on reddit and Twitter at the same damn time
BARRY ARE YOU OK
extreme Barry KINO
He Won
oh look
barry is peddling the "it didnt rly happen ecksdee" narrative like in these threads
what a shock
wtf barry based?
no barry you are not based
are you sure? caqn you check again?
yea it's me barry btw
IT WAS ME, BARRY! I POSTED THE SPOILERS TO THE SHITTY GAME!
I dont know the ending, whats wrong with it?
It was all a dream.
Did he used to read Word Up magazine?
People misunderstand it and think it was all a story
doomtrannies seething again
Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
Or does a character literally wake up and it's like the anon it's 2008 greentexts?
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
yes
I dont get it, whats wrong with that
morons are assuming the story is fiction and never happened in-universe, or just b***hing that there is a bit of ambiguity in the ending.
tortanicgays found their new narrative to spam in a desperate attempt to sink the game
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
It's this. Except the alleged author of the legend died in the story so it doesn't make sense.
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
It's this. Shazamtranies are just going full moron.
>events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
that what this is but their is like 3 moron pretending that the ending is just "nothing was real LMAO"
The legend is called Final Fantasy but it's written by a dead character, it doesn't make sense as there's no way to convert the game story to a book without plot holes and it means kids read books with graphic sex scenes.
couldnt it mean it was a pen name? Or that in time history has gotten some events wrong and omitted the obvious sex scenes for a history and story that has now devolved into a story for kids?
It's a pen name, the game uses Clive's voice to narrate and establishes that he is a name stealer, v is being moronic as per usual
>The legend is called Final Fantasy but it's written by a dead character
Overjuiced Clive managed to revive Joshua with Phoenix+Eikons+Ultima.
> kids read a book with graphic sex scenes
>implying that every passage of text in that book is 100% accurate to the events
You can't be this stupid.
>kids reading graphic fairy tale
original fairy tale adapted by disney were actually fricked up
Best case scenario would be the first one
But the game ends with children reading a book called final fantasy and with no proof that the entire story before this point even happened outside of the storybook.
The author of the book is dead in the story too, so it makes zero sense if it was written by him in story.
So then you have to make up headcanon to explain who the author is.
>Oh is it some shit like the events of the game pass into legend and the legend now being called :Final Fantasy"?
Yeah, all the main character survived against all odds, and MC's little brother wrote the story of how they saved the world in a book called Final Fantasy (inspired by the last words that Clive says to the big bad).
The MC's lil bro who dies in the story how they saved the world wrote a book about how they saved the world? huh?
Yes, its that moronic if that's intended road they wanted to go down.
Joshua only claims that Phoenix alone can't revive death people.
God AYLMAO Clive can.
It's almost like a descendant with his name could have been the one who put it to paper. Or Clive could have assumed his name the same way he did Cid's.
In the finale the protag beats the big bad ayy lmao and destroys all sources of magic in the world (he even says something to the effect of this will be your final fantasy™
The ending is the future where people read the tale in a book, final fantasy™ and believe it as fairy tale.
Doom sharters are trying to argue it’s a
>and then I woke up
Ending
it's ambiguous in more ways than one so people are going insane
people are literally acting like complete morons and think everything is a fantasy.
tick tock
SEEING NOW HOW UNHAPPY MANY "GAMER" ARE OVER THIS "MOVIE"... REMEMBER... "MOVIE FANTASY" WILL NEVER BE GAME.... PLAY GAME.... NOT MOVIE....
You have a 40 hour game with a 12 hour movie/QTE experience, not a bad deal at all.
all i know is Clive doesn't have genitals so the sex scene is just slamming 2 barbie dolls into each other. at least cyberpunk as offensively dogshit as that game was showed everything in terms of nudity
>literally read all the story before the game even releases
Why are you zoomers like this ?
If a story can be spoiled it is not a good story.
What a bad cope, every single story can be spoiled. Terrible take. Keep reading every spoiler zoom zoom.
You don't even understand what I meant by that. Sounds like you need some media literacy.
When will Ganker learn basic media literacy? This could all be solved with basic media literacy. Basic media literacy should be a requirement for playing the game. You need basic media literacy to understand the ending.
Never. I'm having flashbacks to the "Answers" cutscene in Endwalker that legions of idiots took literally.
I've never seen so many morons filtered by the "it became a book/legend" trope.
I love the ending but I hate the homosexuals on here who are literal brainlets
Reminder that we won the moment this happened. Clive surviving thanks to Jill's wish is just a bonus. We won and Barry and his goons lost, simple as.
why not just go watch porn instead? why do you have to infest my vidya with this shit?
kys porntard
Clive survived as a result of his own actions. Metia stuff was just symbolic for Jill having her ultimate happiness finally in her hands.
The fact he lived through EVERYTHING merely losing a hand only proves how much of a chad he is. Literally punched a god so hard his hand turned into stone.
Clive fricking died on that beach and no amount of headcanon will change that anon
Cope harder
>Metia stuff was just symbolic for Jill having her ultimate happiness finally in her hands.
well yeah, granting her wish in the process
the star didn't literally go "ay yo b***h you want this guy imma resurrect him for you"
JOKE is on you because TIDUS got pussy back in FFX released in 2001
Tales of symphonia?
Clive 100% died and Joshua is the one Jill saw
Clive's just sitting on a beach with a stone arm. He ain't injured whatsoever
That's my interpretation as well
Even the dog knew clive is dead
Your interpretation is that the one character we know for sure died is alive and the only person we saw for sure surviving the event is dead? Even after Jill's wish for Clive NOT to die and her being happy at the result? At this point I don't know what you are smoking
Ah yes, Jill wished for Clive to be saved, her wish was granted but there was a mix up and Joshua got revived (somehow) after having definitively died before.
>What about Clive on the beach, the one person to survive the ordeal?
He just died on the sand alone for whatever reason lmao
>Why was Jill smiling if Clive was dead
She never loved him obviously
ah yes the guy we saw die and fail to be resurrected lived and the guy that ended up on a beach moving and lifting his hand is the one who died
you are very smart
I am coping about one thing. That the doomers are behind the moronic "either dion,joshua or clive" died takes. You are a complete fricking moron if you think any of these characters are dead. You literally do not yoshi-p. I'm expecting a dlc announcement during fanfest for ff14 or later down the line to make you stupid fricks realize that they are alive.
The reason im coping is that I don't want to believe that people unironically believe that any of the characters died. Don't be stupid. Yoshi-P loves happy ending, and this game is getting a fricking dlc announcement. Also the reviews tomorrow is going to get this game to 98 metacritic and then down to 96. check it.
Dion literally dies the exact same way Ysayle did you avatarBlack person moron
no he doesn't. Ysayle literally say goodbye and turns into fricking crystal dust. Dion just fall off the platform and we never see his body
Let me make some arguments about why I believe the "Clive/Joshua/Clive's Son wrote the book" thing is fanfiction and wishful thinking.
>It's Joshua.
Joshua dies at the end. Nothing, not even Phoenix, can revive the dead. This is established several times in the game and demo by Joshua himself. Clive tries, but Joshua does not wake up. This scene can not be argued against. Joshua died.
>Clive's son
Possible, but game never establishes Jill is pregnant. There's also the fact that Clive no longer human (and maybe even never was). Assuming he can procreate, this is just a big fanfiction what if. Like wouldn't it be cool if Clive named his son after his brother and he wrote a book? Not impossible but c'mon.
>Clive wrote it.
Setting aside the fact that Clive has shown zero interest nor talent in writing books during the entire game. Why would he write it as Joshua? "To honor him?". Noble sentiment but again that's just more fanfiction. Clive could do a million better things than ghostwrite an epic about himself under his brother's name... like refound their kingdom. That would take a lifetime in and of itself.
So honestly, it just feels like wishful thinking. The ending is plain and obvious. The media literacy thing feels like the same kind of cope that inspires nerd ecelebs to shit out youtube channels where they tell you Star Wars is really deep.
The game has a good story and the ending doesn't detract from that. It doesn't matter if it didn't happen you say? You're literally saying that fiction doesn't matter while playing a videogame. C'mon lads. The ending is fine.
Son, the game starts with Clive narrating as if he is beginning a story. "And thus did our journey begin".
Yes and it ends with thus did our story end before the credits. That's it. Clive is not the narrator. The game has no narrator. Also real flimsy justification for your fanfiction. Two lines versus clive's entire characterisation up to this point.
Chill with the cope bro.
T. Someone who also has the game.
>It doesn't matter if it didn't happen you say? You're literally saying that fiction doesn't matter while playing a videogame
You can be invested in a piece of fiction. That piece of fiction at the last possible moment can also say that the story you just experienced was actually a story within a story, that it didn't actually happen and that everything that you just did meant nothing.
But it did mean something. You experienced emotions. Why does it matter if it wasn't real in literally another fiction. It was real to you when you played it.
This is how fiction works.
>You experienced emotions.
I'm sure disappointment is what every author strives to aim for when writing a story.
Because it fricks with suspension of disbelief. It's like imagine if you were receiving a nice massage then the masseuse dumps a pile of stinky garbage all over you. Yeah you did get a massage but you also suddenly started to smell real bad afterwards. Nah frick this analogy. Pretentious. That's what it is. We already know it's fiction and we don't need an extra reminder when it doesn't carry any extra weight.
Clive is literally narrating the book.
Unless Yoshi-p walks on stage and says Joshua is dead, I'll keep coping
>Joshua dies at the end. Nothing, not even Phoenix, can revive the dead
god you such a moron, at the end clive is infinitely stronger than phoenix, at that power level resurrection is not unthinkable at all.
Leaker already confirmed he couldn't revive him. This is why there is a split in the media literacy division saying Joshua wrote the book or Clive as Joshua wrote the book filled with gay sex and transliens.
another leaker said that Joshua did survive so idk why you think 1 leaker interpretation is worth more than another.
>another leaker
One with no proof.
The leaker obviously though he survived because of the book. Try thinking a little.
Yes because that what happened, Try thinking a little.
But half of you mongoloids say Clive wrote the book as Joshua, keep the frick up moron-kun
they are coping
What don't you understand? The redditgay that leaked this is obviously a moron (like most of you) and misunderstood Clive using Joshua's name as Joshua surviving.
So Clive wrote a book as his little brother that features him as a Gary Stu who says the TITLE of the book at the end and fricks his waifu and mentally cucks his enemies who are homosexuals. Got it. Amazing! Bravo Yoshi-P
>Clive wrote everything that happened LITERALLY AS IT HAPPENED IN THE GAME
Anon come on.
You don’t understand the book actually contains the perfect accord of when Clive stopped what he was doing for 30 minutes as the player went afk to esr dinner
Oh, okay, I get it. (You) guys can pick and choose head cannon shit without evidence and that's acceptable (Clive wrote the book as Joshua, Joshua survived or whatever interpretive moron camp your in), but if I say stuff is in the book without evidence, that's not unacceptable.
Bro, for your own good, I really hope you are pretending to be moronic
You guys literally have made shit up in this thread (Clive wrote the book, Clive resurrected Joshua, bro!) without any evidence, why can the book not be an accounting of the events in the game? This is precisely why the ending is moronic and you gays are coping hard
>Clive resurrected
Clive quite literally never died, do you understand how stupid you sound?
>resurrected Joshua
finish the sentence moron. I know you guys have poor reading comprehension which is probably why you like this slop
>when I say things are my headcanon they are also 100% true btw
have a nice day
Claiming that Clive wrote the book as Joshua has, at the very least, an inkling of evidence, pretending that Clive wrote everything that happened literally (including shit that he literally wasn't present for, like the Barnabas thing) is moronic.
> literally 2 kids in the ending only talking about fights
>equates to 10 pages of barnbas x ay lmaoooo
i doubt you were even going to play this game but cmon
So what is Clive's narration at the start then? Is it from the book, and therefore some accounting of everything we see that follows or not? It's clearly not a children's book based on the narration.
its clear that clive included general details about what happened and that it. most likely didn't even right down any of dominates names. reason i can guess this is because the cut scene at the end literally implies this with the kids only knowing ifirit and bahumat. Nothing implies that clive wrote everything down from hugo getting cucked to dion spear chucking shenanigans
So your evidence for it just being general details is that the kids say the names of some the eikons? How do you know those are the only names they know? Did you need them to list off every eikon then and there?
The leaker is also a moron who thinks this heavy handed shit is a 10 so
>The ending is fine.
i just think the book bit was unnecessary is all. I don't hate it, but i don't like it either. It's just whatever
People who willingly read spoilers should unironically be erased from the gene pool.
Media literacy bros,,, people are interpreting the ending differently...
To this day FF6 is the only good Final Fantasy story. Kneel.
>muh Joker knockoff destroys the world!
>good
lol
lmao even
existence is a joke
what's your point
his point is that you should outgrow your ebin edgy nihilism phase by the age of 25 hopefully
You did good, Clive.
What if they wrote this confusing shit in just to make you tools talk about it for months on end just like how they added time jannies to FF7 so that there's something to seethe at instead of moving on
It's not confusing. It just requires an IQ above 100 which is taken for granted in Japan.
>What if they wrote this confusing shit in just to make you tools talk about it for months
YoshiP is a people pleaser, either the leaker is a little bad at storytelling or they just decided to frick with us to sell us DLC which is a shit move.
YoshiP is a businessman and a weasel.
VIIR confirmed that people didn't get VII's og ending so they probably realized leaving literally anything open to interpretation would work
>confusing shit
Anyone with above room temperature IQ isn't confused. Whether it was handled well or not is a different story.
FF7R was at least done with the purpose of getting people to stick around for parts 2 and 3.
XVI's seems to have been just to make a reference to other ivalice games but did it so poorly it makes you question who is even the author of the book.
It's not confusing. People are mad at it being slop.
it isn't really confusing
doomtrannies are just really pathetic
The fact that people can see multiple interpretations to the ending says it all
Unless the developer literally state otherwise, clive to me died that day and Joshua survived and wrote the book
>The fact that people can see multiple interpretations to the ending says it all
Yes. It says that people are moronic, including (You).
Even if Clive and Joshua appear and say to Jill:
>"Jill, I really thought we were in our Final Fantasy XVI"
Some morons would be claiming:
>"Uh guys, are we sure that Ultima isn't impersonating these 2? I mean, they never said that they aren't Ultima puppets LMAO Yoshit again with his hack ending, I won"
Ironically Clive actually does say "this is your fantasy and it will be your final one"
i cringed
I know, but you need to make it even more in your face because Gankermorons wouldn't get it even if you read it slowly to them.
The guy last seen just sitting on a beach who escaped an explosion with just a stone arm that you can perfectly live with cause Cid did it.
>Clive returns to Jill unharmed in a fulfilment of her wish and the last spark of magic at the end of an era of fantasy
>Joshua is permanently dead as a sombre mirroring of the above, proof that magic is gone in the world shaped by Clive
>Clive takes on his brother's identity as a pen name and writes of his adventure to pass onto future generations as a reminder of the final age of fantasy
>Hundreds or more years later it has become a simple fairytale in a world where humanity stands on its own feet rather than subject to the will of an otherworldly race
>"I don't get it was it all just a story, this is dumb"
sweet headcanon bro.
>morons spent a year crying about Xenoblade 3 ending when literally everyone sane understood what was happening
>FF16's ending is even more obvious about what's happening than XB3, directly shows Clive surviving, directly shows Jill's wish being fulfilled, finishes up with the ending lyrics too
>some idiots STILL don't get it
>barry continues samegayging in his helpless attempts to derail the perception of the game even though he will be destroyed by general reception of the game tomorrow and will never recover from humiliation
when was you when you learned you shared the board with literal lobotomites
>when was you when you learned
yes
>morons spent a year crying about Xenoblade 3 ending when literally everyone sane understood what was happening
We understand what happened we were pissed that the end of a trilogy was treated like that when the previous games gave us pretty clear endings, instead of going with that bullshit, it was a shit move.
>We understand what happened
No, there was a shit ton of morons with hot takes like "Noah didn't disappear, it's a cinematic trick" or "the entire last segment is S Y M B O L I C".
I know however I am a /xgg/ regular. So I got a little more into it than the usual xenogay.
XVIBlack folk (mmoBlack folk) will never understand
Nah this is bullshit people clearly misunderstood the ending
You know what, frick it. I hope this shit becomes a trend. End a game on a satisfactory note then steal money from brainlets with an unnecessary DLC. I don’t give a frick. It was cringe with XB3 and it’s cringe now. The ending is obvious.
>then steal money from brainlets with an unnecessary DLC
KH3 kind of softened the blow, ReMind only is there to give more fanservice.
I thought it improved the combat or something? I didn't play it, never finished KH3
The free update that came before remind made the combat solid, but remind offered the data org and superboss which were all pretty good, especially with the updated kit.
Obviously we can't have a good thing without a bad thing so you can only get the new moves if you finish the game because the devs are morons.
It did, however the main adition was the ReMind epilogue + XIII boss fights + secret ending. Which made KHIII the best game in the franchise mechanically, the story sadly dropped the ball in lots of points.
>hundreds of years and they're still using flints
Cid and Mid...failed...
Book was literally written by Joshua
Keep coping you fricking morons
Clive, Joshua, Jill, Torgal, and Dion are all alive.
Joshua squeezes every detail of Clive and Jill's sex scene out of them to spice up his autobiography. Dion is less forthcoming.
KEEEEEKKK HE MAD
jesus christ
this much anger for over 10 years
when are his parents going to kick him out and into the mental asylum where he belongs
>"everything that happens in le game also is described verbatim in the book!"
i fricking hate you morons
It would be really funny it was true though
wait
clive fricks benedikta?
Nah, that's Hugo hallucinating.
No. Just Hugo's cuck fantasy
>TFW FF16 is just Xenoblade 3 2.0, both have shitty villains, and a huge filter of an ending.
So what will FF16's FR be? Leviathan set way before the events of the base game?
I finished playing the game.
Combat: 5-7/10
A lot of depth and is extremely satisfying but the game is too easy to require you to get good at the combat. If you are playing for the challenge I give it a 5, otherwise, it gets a 7 from me.
Story: 6/10
Starts off very strong but the game goes off the rails and starts doing some shit just for the sake of being epic.
Cinematics/Epicness/Amazement: 10/10
A lot of things in this game will make you go "HOLY SHIT" There isn't another game that comes close to being this jaw-dropping.
Music: 9/10
Self Explanatory. Just play or watch the demo/trailers and you'll see why.
Overall personal enjoyment: 7.5/10
I personally enjoy difficulty and overcoming a challenge and this game doesn't really offer any of it even in final fantasy mode. Which is a surprise coming from the studio that made Savage and Ultimate fights. Disappointing game for me.
I imagine MC score will be 86 at a minimum, and 91 at most.
>People hyping up Barnabas as the Vergil
>He's a bi bawd with a mommy complex
>Dion, the actual homosexual, has a better character than he has, and has an epic death
Bros...
>He's a bi bawd with a mommy complex
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I dont think anyone would have predicted Barnabas being that weird
Dion is pretty easily the best character in the game, maybe tied with Clive.
All the villains suck, we agree on this.
Vergil has a mommy complex too and was a teenage dad after having sex out of wedlock. He's not any better.
For Vergil to reach Barnabas levels, he'd have to have sex with Trish while calling her mother.
>I'm not your mommy, V.
He probably called his gf "mommy" and cried while eating her out.
this moronic narrative will die in 1 day
tick tock doomies
Who won?
Who lost?
>Who won?
Not us
>Who lost?
Us
joshua sort of won
clive won
jill won
dion won
benedikta LOOOOOOOOOOST HAHAHA
cid... won?
HUGO. HAHAHAHA HUGO
barnabas doesn't even care if he wins or loses, he just wants mommy's milk
Barnabas won, but Barnabas gays lost
>Good guys
WON
>Degenerates
LOST
>Cid
A little of both, his daughter got NOWAYgay'd which is hilarious.
>joshua
won
>Clive
WON
>jill
won
>Dion
not sure
>Benedikta
LOST
>Cid
won
>Hugo
kek
>barnabas
lost
Barnabas did everything he wanted and went out on his own terms, he won.
Barnabas seems to be the Broly of FF16. Hell the 2nd half of 16 is just FF x Xeno x DBZ.
Broly is cool, but also so fricking stupid from a writing standpoint. Hopefully side quests expand more on Barnabas.
But there's zero reason for him to follow Ultima though, they should've just skipped the aliens and made Annabella the true villain because she was actually threatening
>But there's zero reason for him to follow Ultima
He was a fightgay and got humbled by Ultima, he also got to frick his Mom and be a degenerate.
>There's zero reason for him to follow Ultima
He's completely dead inside and has no faith in humanity, to the point he deemed free will obsolete.
They never actually establish that in game though, he literally shows up after 3/4 of the game is over, monologues then does some stupid plot because the ayylmao told him to
They do and a lot of it is during his fight.
His fight that happens... When the game is almost over. Even the leaker who's an actual shill said he was disappointing, get off yoshi-p's dick
But there is a reason, barnabas is a foil to Clive. He’s like this anon
Barnabas sees the world as shit, if he works with Ultima he gets to destroy the world while indulging in hedonism. Clive is the opposite and wants to persist anyways. Similar thing with Hugo who lets revenge consume him and Clive who has it tempered by having other outlets, namely Jill.
I guess that follows for Clive, but it seems a little thin since the world is so fricked up. Ice pussy just that good maybe.
>Who won?
Barry.
>Who lost?
The fans of the series.
Barry is a fan of the series. I am a fan of the series. When Barry wins, I win. We Won.
MMOBlack folk lost.
Everyone won to some degree besides Hugo and wieneraddicta
Clive won Jill WON Joshua sorta won Dion won Cid Bit of both Bene lost Barb not sure where to start Hugo The biggest loser
>Clive and Jill
Won and lived through
>Cid
Won but died
>Joshua and Dion
Won but became schrodinger cats
>Barnabas
Did his duty but ultimately lost
>Benedikta and Hugo
HAHAHAHAHA
Hugo somehow got cucked 3 times when the woman was dead early on.
>everyone saying cid won
>when his daughter got no way'd and will end up a spinster without kids, stunting technological progress on valisthea
Mid Lost
Rundown on the leakride?
Dion is confirmed for gay
why did Yoshi P add gay stuff to FF. I can not support this game. will pirate the PC version years from now
>trailer that shows the book opening
>"it has been 1500 years since the fall of our forebears and Valisthea has been slowly dying ever since"
I thought this was about the Fallen originally but it could equally be confirming Clive fricked the world lmao. it's also hand written not printed showing humans never evolved their tech. this seems to hint whatever happened we got the bad end
oh shit i forgot about this trailer.
well the "its all a book" theory is clearly false now
why isn't the book in the trailer written by Joshua Rosfield or have the title Final fantasy?
It still isn't clear, looking at the whole trailer the narrator is talking about the in-game time period only, not 1500 years after Clive died. So it is about the Fallen.
However the book is interesting. The table its on is shitty, its lit by candle light not oil lamp and the scene is all dark. This isn't a happy ending. It seems like Clive lost and nothing really improved assuming the events are real.
>It seems like Clive lost and nothing really improved assuming the events are real
I mean Ultima clearly said that the blight would be an apocalypse, Clive just didn't care KEK.
>Clive is enslaved
>Watches everything he knows get wiped out or enslaved
>Sees an entire "race" of people, including himself, viewed as nothing but subhuman resources
>Sees people murder each other constantly, engage in wars over ideology, resources, wealth, power
>Sees entire settlements get butchered out of petty jealousy and revenge
>Watches his own mother destroy whole kingdoms just to increase her own social standing
>Sees an entire continent turn themselves into slaves simply because they lack personal will
>"I'll trust in humanity."
What? Why? He has a few good friends, but 99% of the world fricking sucks.
Consider this: he has a childhood friend confirmed virgin waifu
It's funny how hard the devs go for "This world is brutal, no one is spared. Rape is a thing that every women faces."
But... "Jill is pure ok. She's pure don't worry guys, everyone's either afraid of her; or she's left alone because they want to piss off Clive (because raping her wouldn't piss off Clive apparently). Don't worry she's pure"
Feels like the writers are cucks.
>makes the heroine a virgin
>the writers are cucks
>"Jill is pure ok. She's pure don't worry guys, everyone's either afraid of her; or she's left alone because they want to piss off Clive (because raping her wouldn't piss off Clive apparently). Don't worry she's pure"
Japanese writing at it's finest.
Don't worry. There are some nip authors who write stuff for your taste.
Kek Sorry bro, I left the AoT train when they killed based genocider Erwin. Something told me that there wasn't anything good left after that.
It’s funny how upset you are the world is internally consistent with itself, why would the ironbloods touch her. Why would anyone frick with a dominant
>people are scared of titan man
>this is fine
>people are scared of shiva girl
>NOOOO THIS CANNOT BE SHE NEEDS TO GET RAPED RIGHT NOW
So why did they want to frick Benedikta
>Meanwhile Benedikta
KEK. Continue to defend bad writing.
They could've easily had barney rape Jill but avoided it because "he sees himself only for Ultima" but instead Barney ensures that no one will touch Jill because they want to piss of Clive. What kind of logic is that???
>Inb4 you want to see Clive get ntr'd
No. I just find it funny how the writers are willing to abandon their own tone just to ensure that their favourite is pure. Bad things can happen to everyone BUT Jill needs to be safe!
>What kind of logic is that???
Japanese writing, how new ru?
It's bad, but you get used to it It's cope, I know it well.
He is just saying humanity is strong enough to survive
just becasue it can doesn't mean it should
That wasn't the point of the discussion though and is ultimately irrelevant
Would Clive himself have survived if he didn't have the magic powers that he took from the world?
Nevermind beating the Fallen, which he obviously never could have done, I mean just surviving in a world full of monsters. I mean without Phoenix's powers, would his sickly brother Joshua even have survived childhood?
The existence of Bearers and Dominants allowed an inhumane level of abuse and inequality
Even if the shitty governments will form afterward, they won't be THIS awful
>they won't be THIS awful
bro... have you ever open up a history book? Like, ever?
The world of Bearers and Dominants is like the worst traits of medieval societies, magnified by the fact "blood rituals involving infants" actually produce power.
>The existence of Bearers and Dominants allowed an inhumane level of abuse and inequality
>Even if the shitty governments will form afterward, they won't be THIS awful
A-anon... Did you take history growing up? Or did they just call it "holocaust class" where you are?
>yeah bro the real world history is worse than the same medieval societies BUT WITH ACCESS TO WMD AND POWER SOURCES TAKEN FROM LIFE OF A SLAVE HUMAN CASTE
But real human societies had slave castes and lost hundreds of thousands of people in war even without magic and WMDs.
And yet, magnify that with human batteries and WMDs.
FF16 is among the grimmest magical settings and Clive did a right thing removing that shift from the world.
I'm saying that this is a question of human nature first and foremost. He solved some issues, but also created new ones. Ultimately it wasn't the existence of magic which caused people to abuse it, people will do that with anything to just as disastrous consequence.
I'm really not a huge fan of le mc wrote book ending, it only ever worked in Lotr and Stand by me.
apologize
I'm sorry you got cucked to death and Benedikta never loved you, Hugo.
Can anyone tell me what happened to Mid she is so CUTE and I hope she is doing fine by the end of the story
She lives, however she get NO WAY gay'd by the based gay.
I am not sure if she won or lost, lmao.
Dion deserves to DIE for doing this. Please tell me he dies after this the Jan leaks said he would.
He sacrifices himself before the last boss fight yes
after fighting ultima he fell from the sky, but his body wasn't seen. i don't believe a dragoon would die from fall damage
no body = no death. He is going be so fricking popular that a dlc including him will 100% happen.
She got no way gayged by the based gay Lord
i like joshua's expression here
Literally got
>no way gay
by a fricking gay. lol
Presumed savior of mankind that led people away from Ash and helped revitalize a post-magic civilization
she apparently invented steampunk but got no way'd by dion
doomies still seem to be under the impression that if they shit their diapers hard enough in public that they'll succeed at tanking games
but they've never succeeded at doing anything but embarrassing themselves so i wonder where the conceit comes from
The endless and fruitless quest for another tortanic
Armored Core 6 is next.
Prepare yourself for unfettered moronation in full swing.
I think they could shit their diapers hard enough to change public perception they just aren’t smart enough to do it correctly. See: this entire ending debacle where their strategy is to pretend to be mentally moronic
What they should be doing is spamming the JRPG spoilers and how the got shit was a bait, that might turn normalgays off if they shit their diapers hard enough about it being too anime. Ironic, because they shat their diapers about the game being too GoT
They're not pretending.
Nah
WHEN A COWBOY TRADES HIS SPURS FOR WINGS
KYS PORN FURRY homieS LEAVE MY FINAL FANTASY AND VIDYA ALONE YOU homosexual ABOMINATIONS THIS MEDIUM ISN'T FOR YOU GO WATCH NETFLIX INSTEAD YOU FRICKING DEGENERATES
ALL OF YOU ARE FRICKING FURRIES I KNOW WHY ELSE WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT PORN ALL DAY
if you want to know definitively what happened to Clive and Joshua you just have to buy 5 copies each so Yoshi-p can green lit the sequel. Simple as.
i don't want a sequel of this whoever was in charge of FFXVI should be fricking fired. i bet all of this was Koji Fox' idea
So if it's hundreds of years later, why do they still live in the same medieval cottages and use flint for fire?
Stunted population/tecnological growth due to the blight eating the world, all resources went into dealing with that world ending problem.
?
But morons here were saying that the blight got dealt with when Clive Kamikaze'd into the crystals.
He claimed to Ultima that humanity was strong enough to deal with it by itself, it would be a little embarrasing if magic solved that problem kek
really ? i don't think that true, in the fight clive said that humanity was strong enough to survive it but not that it will disappear.
that probably why the post credit scene is so long after the main game, humanity probably only beat the blight recently.
Humans used flint and lived in cottages for hundreds of years
>Enough time has passed that Clive's tales of eikons and magic are regarded as fairy tales
>But... not enough time has passed that people have to still use flint for fire
>Even though the base game has the steam engine being invented, and the people in the post-credits scene are all literate despite being poor.
Something doesn't add up here!
Humanity got fricked over by the Blight until they beat it and knowledge was lost, only some history survived but as a fairy tale.
>Yes a small cottage in the middle of nowhere will obviously have a steam engine
Are doomies for real? Even fricking today some people use flint to light a fire when going camping.
I don't think saying the world is fricked over is doomerism. I mean Clive basically makes a leap of faith in the ending, that doesn't mean it worked out for humanity
All I am saying that them using flint has nothing to do with whether the book is written by Clive (it is) or it was all a fantasy thing.
I agree but that's not what I was just saying.
I guess the mere fact there are kids playing and having fun in a picturesque rural cottage in the woods is testament to humanity persisting and surviving through the suffering that the blight may or may not have caused
The point I feel is that humanity got to decide that on its own terms through Clive's actions, rather than be subject to the whims of the Fallen and Ultima
For all we know the Blight is still ongoing. From what we see it just turns environments worse, like the woodland turning into a shitty swamp. I don't think we see the outside, so all we know is trees exist and kids are playing. From that it's impossible to know the full state of the world, but from some other inferences it also seems like technology has regressed despite time advancing far forward.
Personally I think all of Valistheia was consumed by the Blight and they had to exodus to another continent to start from scratch.
I can see your point of view but feel you might be reading too much into it, it comes across as a simple message of hope to me
What the kids think of as fantastic heroics and tales of monsters and magic are real events that led to their peaceful free world, and enough time has passed that they are blissfully unaware
That's why I like this ending, there's quite a few different ways to interpret it based on your own perception
People used flint for literally hundreds of years after the advent of the steam engine and that’s in real life where our laws of physics stayed the same
this is true. the book is lit by candle light and written by quill not oil lamp and print. we only see flint. you can only deduct clive doomed the world or it's a fantasy book that never happened
>WHERE ARE THEIR IPHONES
>WHERE IS THE NINTENDO SWITCH
kwab
>a small group of family
>the idea of them even using flint and steel for fire is far fetch
kys.
>Mother says that Eikons and magic isn't real
But anon's are arguing that it's actually all real and set 1000 years in the future but technology hasn't changed and all knowledge has been lost so everyone forgot about Eikon's and magic and Clive took Joshua's name and abandoned Cid's name and this doesn't sound moronic at all.
Occam's Razor: It's a fantasy book meant to teach morals to kids.
>It's a fantasy book meant to teach morals to kids.
>All the degenerates get BTFO
Maybe anon is onto something.
The book is clearly printed you dumb frick
by the way, i dunno if anyone noticed but barry's actually gone apeshit the past few days over at /vrpg/
too bad the board's almost dead so its just been him replying to himself
he's been going apeshit for a while you'll have to specify
Link his melties
its an exact play by play of his posts on the leak threads, only no one's to reply so its like hes just been copy-pasting everytime something new comes up
>
I cant even imagine how insane the FF7R leak journey will be
>I cant even imagine how insane the FF7R leak journey will be
Some people will legit die.
I'm fully expecting FF multiverse bullshit after we got time jannies
You were explicitly promised it.
At this point only Claire can save us, and she will. Our Mother will come back, because Her story begins at the very moment when the Myth of the Great Final Fantasy ends.
Forever a Flash, forever my Queen, forever my Goddess...
Ahhhh christmas....time to defend shartspoken
I thought he never played Forspoken, why is he defense forcing for it
Same devs as FFXV
>when the mommy issues are so bad that you give up your free will to suck the wiener/pussy of an ayylmao using you to destroy the world
Really curious to see tomorrow's reviews. To be honest, kinda disappointed with the story, the game's bossfights and setpieces sound insane tho
So i wonder if it's a case of combat carrying narrative.
True, no one will give a shit about narrative when bahamut becomes a gundam in space.
The story is extremely functional. Among the mainline FF entries it's among the best ones. It's not a high bar to set but after two decades of GARBAGE getting a story in line with 6, 7, 9 and 10 is a fricking miracle.
imagine the fmvs
Benedikta's will all be in character, no matter how degenerate
unless its with hugo
I found really funny how obvious was her acting in the demo. Hugo was really in love with her lmao.
it gets better
when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
>when we see them in clive's soul prison hugo is all "i loved her man, why wont she love me back ;_;" and she is "wont anyone ever trully love me", like right next to his cuckshed
Most shafted characters in FF history, it's fricking insane. Titan reputation will never recover even Odin got some cool shit to redeem Barny.
Bahamut, Phoenix got respect, Ifrit got wanked into high heavens.
Hugogays lost so hard they stopped fricking existing
Incelgays new Eikon, Eren might have some tough competition.
Bene's hypocrisy right after makes it even better. She had plenty of people caring for her, she just turned her back to them. Those two are made for each other. I can't believe so many of you simps felt pity for her.
best unintentional romcom of the year
>all streamer cucks get to play it tomorrow early access
not fair
Skip to 24:35, 15 ended with Noctis dying a fricking virgin. No amount of DLCs and gay novels can ever ever change the CANON virgin ending
NOOOOOO MY GAME SOLD THE MOST IS THE MOST LOVED FF AND IS THE BEST GAME IN THE SERIES
what do you mean he banged Gladio's (hot) sister
Do you really want me to post the gif?
So now we all know the writing is absolutely dogshit, how do we cope?
I like it. Nothing to cope with.
media
literacy
oh damn bro it's ok i'm also not real
don't read the audio drama
>spoiler
Thanks for letting me know it's existence. That was awful
So, book bros... the Final Fantasy book is written post Elwin death. It mentions his death in past tense.
Other parts seem to be written in present tense, as if it were written between the time the demo ended and when Joshua was wandering around with his waifu. Talks about how lithisis is happening and what Eikons exist in the world and such.
I'm not sure what to conclude. It looks more like a fantasy story to me than it does autobiography or history book.
The book shit is completely moronic. Should'e just edited it out and had the future ending not include it.
It's just to show that Clive is remembered and his story lives on as a legend. Not sure why morons are so damn confused by it.
That doesn't make it good.
I never said it was.
Because as it is now; you can argue for both "It was all fake" and it's based on "real events that have been forgotten". It's not like one answer perfectly explains everything without resorting to [headcanon].
Eh, at least I'm not a shill and can think critically.
You're not thinking critically at all. The "it's all fake" is a nonsensical leap.
Romancechad, we won. Frick Barry, you will never recover from this.
t. Jillgay
God, I wish I was Jill
If you think about it, the ending is kinda similar to 9. It just cuts seconds before they reunite.
god, 9 was so fricking ugly
Don't worry it's getting a remake and it will look uglier
We fricking won
>ywn have a cute childhood friend who is also a 30 year old virgin hag
The only protag that won harder is possibly Cloud, and fumbled hard after fricking Tifa with all that edgy AC bullshit
She won so hard
>people saying flint mean they were uncivilized with no tech
I remember my grama would start fire using a flint and an other thing , and that was only 20 years ago.
Also from the picture the book looks really high quality, clearly not a "dark age level" type of book technologically.
>devs opt to not show any kind of advanced tech in the background
>book hand written
>candles not oil
>fricking shack in the woods not brick house or in a city
just admit Ultima was right
oh yes ultima was definitively right about the blight fricking the world up.
What I'm wondering is if the humanity did beat the blight in the post credit scene or if the world is still fricked.
>book hand written
It's actually printed. Through medieval methods, but nonetheless. They had clear troubles overcoming the Blight but they press on.
it's written by quill, you can see it here
>Clive wrote this story by quill despite missing his literal "DOMINANT" arm
lmfao, this game is moronic
Because Joshua wrote it
Joshua is dead by the end of the game. Keep coping.
No, the story is fictional and Joshua is the writer.
Clive never existed. jej
>Clive was a tulpa all along
For how wanked he got, I am inclined to believe it.
However you interpret it, one thing is true: the game's ending is dogshit, and smells like Yoshi-Piss too.
Yes, but your grandma surely knew that there were other ways to start a fire.
These kids don't, it's either flint or magic to them. No other way. Hell they're moronic enough that they don't even have a fire in the cottage to take from like most normal people in the middle ages.
you are right but you have to give them some slack, they are probably in a post-apocalypse world after the blight.
>FF XVI-2 would be about recreating magic through science in a postapocalyptic world.
I would buy it
>said they are bad at romance story
>never marketed their game as romance
>literally just created one of good FF's love story
What did they mean by this?
Yeah this is probably the most surprising thing about the game. It's probably the healthiest and most dedicated pair we had since Cecil and Rosa.
Acting like bashful old men about making a hetero love story in 2023
Wait, have people in this thread never used flint before? It was literally one of the first thing we did when we went camping. Everyone go to try to make a fire and we did it, we got a badge for honor.
Really seems like this game has a lot more soul and meaning than got ever did....
GOT is a failed project. The show was a joke and the fat frick wrote himself in a corner so hard he will never finish it.
Because ultimately this game has a very positive message. GoT is just a misery and violence porn for the sake of it.
Winds of Winter soon, brother... Fat RR Martin is getting younger every year.
SHILLS AND XIV TRANNIES ARE SURE WORKING OVERTIME NOW TRYING TO FIX THIS SHITFEST
it's not like they have anything better to do, their FF14 groomer groups wake up in two hours
Are you getting tired Barry?
you seem frustrated
>Joshua: *writing* And then there was Hugok Kupka, the man who was cucked to death.
>Jill: Joshua, is this necessary?
>Joshua: Very necessary.
You need to give up at some point anon, Joshua is literally dead and denying it won't do you any good.
>In the real event, Benedikta didn't shit on him more inside Ultima, but Joshua added it because he though it would be way funnier
He was right kek
If Barnaby lived I bet he'll be gooning over Clive.
Idk any spoilers or reading them but I get the feeling we haven't gotten this much lolcow reaction since FFX sequels where tidus kicks a blitzball turning out to be a bomb and gets decapitated
Bros... I'm almost out of copium... I can't keep pretending like it has any chance scoring better than 70/100 at this point...
It will unironically revive FF to the public. Of course you gays will keep crying like you always do but if you think it's not gonna be a tremendous success, you are delusional.
Soooooo
Is it winning goty
Not with this dumpster fire of an ending.
Filtered
Only morons unironically think the ending is good lol, and you guys can't even give a consistent ending on this obvious and clear ending lmao
Totk will get it but 16 will get almost the same awards FF7r got
Nah. Gameplay won't appeal enough to journos and they'll only like the grounded GoT-esque early story.
No, that was locked up the moment Zelda launched.
It might win Narrative unless a quirky LGBT indie gets a lot of brownie points.
Probably not. TotK is all but guaranteed to win.
If TotK had been last year then probably yes
It'll still get talked about as a contender but realistically nothing will beat TotK this year, not even Starfield
FF almost never had a solid ending like X but one thing is for sure. The trust broken by 15 is back and people will look forward for more new mainline while also giving kino to nostalgia fans have with 7rebirth and 9remake
don't mind me i'm just RAVIN on FFXVI's grave