i don't actually play smash so i hope none of these are already in
Mario: bowser jr
DK: Cranky Kong
Zelda: That goat dude from totk
Metroid: pic related
is the star supposed to be kirby? i don't even know the kirby cast besides kirby and meta knight
pokemon: Gholdengo
I don't know what the sword and flower are supposed to stand for
the last thing this series needs is more characters. they need to redesign existing characters to be more unique and deep. project m is a perfect example of how to breath new life into old characters in a way that satisfies casuals and compgays alike.
how many ultimate characters have a generic up special that makes them go up with a hitbox attached to them? how many have a down special counter? and a bog standard neutral special projectile? it's just boring. so very boring.
it can't be helped. all we can do is move onto rivals 2. i don't think brawlback is ever coming out.
This. When Project M overtook the actual series in popularity and people stopped buying the latest smash bros entry, I knew it was time for a change. It wasn't just a niche autists mod for FGC tourneys in basements anymore, it was the DEFINITIVE way to play smash bros
...wait what do you mean that has never happened?
gee it's almost like nintendo lawyers colluded with the top tournament organizer to kill project m in the cradle. they made twitch literally ban accounts for simply streaming project m.
Well this is the actual answer, but people don't care about the game or mechanics, just more roster.
the last thing this series needs is more characters. they need to redesign existing characters to be more unique and deep. project m is a perfect example of how to breath new life into old characters in a way that satisfies casuals and compgays alike.
how many ultimate characters have a generic up special that makes them go up with a hitbox attached to them? how many have a down special counter? and a bog standard neutral special projectile? it's just boring. so very boring.
Smash's selling point is the characters. Trying to pretend anything else matters as much is how you get an Icons or that other 3D smash clone that died.
on some level players do not want generic characters otherwise people would jerk off the three mii characters and care about them more. therefore a proper moveset that plays in an interesting way is part of that selling point.
For me i have no motivation to try some smash clones where the characters are literally furry porn art. Something like nick and multiversus just seemed like shit to play.
5 months ago
Anonymous
if you can't look at something like pic related without thinking of pornography i think you have a serious addiction problem.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh i hit a nerve, i'm not judging but furry shit is not for me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'll judge
Stay away from kennels and petting zoos
>some
EVERY level, not some. Dragon King may have become a decent series with some recurring mechanics but Smash Bros. was the better choice. The whole moveset > character bullshit doesn't last, especially if they lean on gimmicky movesets that can taint a whole character's viability or worse, you get an FE situation where the moveset is interesting and overude but the character is attached to an unwelcome stigma.
Nick All-Stars trying to be competitive or 'unique' killed it and that was the last game that needed to be competitive. Part of the fun in Smash is to make sure the game is fun on a casual level, and THEN you can add deeper mechanics for those who want to play competitively. Melee is literally the sweet spot with competitive play and casual fun. Sakurai failed (or does realize it but wants to bury it) to realize that starting with Brawl.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty much this. Also melee abd 64 are not more fun just because they are casual friendly, but that they have good game feel and allow wacky shit.
I spend a lot of time with my friend in hyrule castle in melee and we laugh our asses off, teching from above 400 and seeing momentum anomalies. 4 onwards you could not tech above certain damage and they did not really even have momentum, so we could not even frick around.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care to play competitively but the lack of jump momentum really kills the newer Smash games for me. That fundamental in platforming games is a huge litmus test for me on whether or not I'll keep on playing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
And they are not even small things to notice. How the frick can i dash with falcon at full speed, and then lose all my momentum when i jump? Its mind bogling.
5 months ago
Anonymous
is really not small things to notice, it makes a clear difference for bigger stages like Hyrule Temple
5 months ago
Anonymous
I also miss running through my opponents and perfect shielding
5 months ago
Anonymous
>4 onwards you could not tech above certain damage and they did not really even have momentum, so we could not even frick around.
>Smash's selling point is the characters
And the fact that it's an actually good game on top of that.
See: All the other shitty smash clones that hyped themselves up with characters/rosters and then promptly died off and were forgotten less than a month after release
Yeah, if the shonen jump anime shovelware games were as good we'd all be cooming buckets over Jump Allstars or the latest Clash of Ninja Storm Revolution Budokai Tenchaichi Dreams Adventure
This. When Project M overtook the actual series in popularity and people stopped buying the latest smash bros entry, I knew it was time for a change. It wasn't just a niche autists mod for FGC tourneys in basements anymore, it was the DEFINITIVE way to play smash bros
Sorry for the huge text dump a very important reminder:
The Project M wasn't perfect and they leaned too heavily on 64/Melee moveset nods, but when they did venture out of that comfort zone, my god they had some good ideas, even beating official smash game with said ideas
>Gave Donkey Kong his DKC roll before official Smash did
>Gave Ganondorf some use for his sword before official Smash did
>Allowed Samus to charge her beam in midair TWO GAMES before official Smash did, plus gave her a Morph Ball crawl that she STILL doesn't officially have, side taunt also changes her beams from flame to ice and that affects some of her attacks
>Understood that FLUDD was dogshit before official Smash brought Dr. Mario back as the "classic" Mario
>Remembered that Wario Land was a thing and that the ground pound and arm bash is a staple Wario technique, whereas official Smash fricking REMOVED it in WiU and restored it as a crappy dash attack in Ultimate, Wario’s pummel Grab also has that Mario Up Special Coin effect for added personality
>Sonic isn't pigeon-holed into remaining the result of a last-minute addition like he still is in official Smash
>Made alt costumes a very common feature for fighters, something that official Smash only began to dabble with with Ultimate and secret variants selectable by holding the L or R buttons and pressing start to select a stage, PMEX expands on this concept with L-Loads that let you play as Bosses like Giga Bowser or Final Smashes like Super Sonic for fun casual messing around
>Giving Bowser a stage, holy smokes how does he not have one yet in official Smash, that section in the Paper Mario stage does not count and it never will, there’s also a Wario Land Stage based from Wario Land 2 in his flooded Castle.
>All Star Versus was a toggle option for special mode 2 games early before Squad Strike became a thing, nobody talks about Squad Strike probably because it came too late and you can’t even play that mode online.
Project M mogged them so bad especially compared to Smash 4 they had to lie to VG Bootcamp and Twitch just to get them to kill it. Frick them, frick those greedy buttholes for caving in and killing PM
I tried Project M a couple days ago. While it does improve 1v1 itemless it also fricking ruins 4 man ffa with items. The default game mode that everyone plays for fun. The game mode that is Smash's core identity. Imagine having some friends over and telling them that you can only play tryhard 1v1 3 stock final destination Fox itemless, because the autist modpack decimated the fun mode.
what? PM has melee temple, it's on the second or third page of stages. or it requires holding a shoulder button, I forget since P+ has like over a hundred stages. what are you talking about?
Wtf are you talking about you fricking idiot? PM is an incredibly fun casual game and it even implemented Smashdown before actual Smash did. I literally only played it casually. You have all the same items and most of the wacky stages, plus more. Just with better physics and move sets.
Reboot and new characters aren't mutually exclusive. I want them to do a reboot and revise movesets too but there would still be new characters in this hypothetical game, it's part of the draw of a new game entry.
I'm in your boat but I've started to think there's just issues with the way smash is designed fundamentally.
There's not really a lot of ways a move can be meaningfully different in smash compared to a traditional fighting game. Shields are very strong and block from all directions so you can't have high/low properties. Shielding opponents barely suffer blockpush from most attacks so you don't really see moves that are specifically good on block unless they're a shield-breaking move that has some kind of wicked trade-off. Slower heavier attacks are rarely put on characters who can set up into them.
Even within the possibilities of plat fighters Rivals of Aether, Slap City, NASB 2, Rushdown Revolt, Multiversus, and Project M all end up exploring more interesting things in their much smaller rosters than Ultimate did with almost 90.
It's why Ultimate is the worst in the franchise. >Here's everything you already played with minimal changes from the last game! >...New things? In your new game? >Uuhhh, yeah sure man, just give us 3 years and another 60 dollars, we'll cook up something new.
"Everyone is here!" might have unironically killed the franchise if the next game follows suit.
Well Sakurai won't be around for the next game so I'm hopeful. Smash has been so stagnant for way too long and I hope whoever directs it next does try some new interesting things for the game.
the worse thing he can do is keep hoarding dated stuff that should've changed a long time ago is Peach's B and cloned ganondorf
what annoys me the most is that HE DOES change stuff but is selective about
OFC one of the few things he changes is Yoshi being less of a dinosaur but kicking more
>Waluigi >Cranky Kong >Midna with Wolf Link >Sylux >Waddle Dee with an assortment of kirby themed weapons and cute food >Blastoise because frick you Charizard >Toothpaste chan >Pic related
Actually reboot would be great, new movesets and all. Many characters were cobled together as clones (ganon, luigi) or did not have as much moves to utilized back in 64 or melee (mario, samus) and are still bland. They could do so much crazy shit.
as for other possible options without being too hipsterish
>Mario
Toad, Waluigi, Pauline(though can count for Donkey Kong too actually), Kamek
>DK
Cranky Kong, Funky Kong, Pauline, suprise no one ever mentions Lord Freidrick despite the massive villain boner that the smash community has
>Zelda
Tetra, Skullkid, Pig Ganon, Vaati, Rauru, Impa are also solid choices
>Metroid
EMMI, Sylux would be fine too, Dark Samus could use some major decloning along with Daisy and Ganondorf now that I think about it
>Kirby
plenty of solid other choices like Zelda with Magolor, Gooey, Dark Matter, Adeleine, Morpho/Galacta Knight, Suzie and such
>Pokemon
lots of potential but in the grand scheme Pokemon already has all it really needs with Pikachu, Trainer and Mewtwo tbqh, anyways other solid choices, Grovyle, Gengar, Garchomp, Gardovoire, Hisui Trainer, Team Rocket, Rayquaza and Zoroark, funny how is a lot of Gs
>Fire Emblem
as someone who is not into FE but knows what it is I always wonder why Lyn, Ephraim and Hector are so ignored despite perennially being popular
>Pikmin
I guess it could use a semi clone with their own Pikmins like Britanny and Rookie riding Oatchi would be neat
>suprise no one ever mentions Lord Freidrick despite the massive villain boner that the smash community has
I want him, but I don't want to forget Dixie Kong first. Ideally, Lord Fredrik would be in Ultimate after K. Rool and Ridley debuted in Brawl and Dixie popped up in Four. It sucks that DK and Zelda aren't able to be indulgent with their reps like FE gets to be.
thats not true, Tropical Freeze elevated Cranky Kong and Dixie right round these part but oddly silent about Fredirik but as another anon said
>suprise no one ever mentions Lord Freidrick despite the massive villain boner that the smash community has
I want him, but I don't want to forget Dixie Kong first. Ideally, Lord Fredrik would be in Ultimate after K. Rool and Ridley debuted in Brawl and Dixie popped up in Four. It sucks that DK and Zelda aren't able to be indulgent with their reps like FE gets to be.
is just that Dixie is overdue that a lot of people would like her first
>paper Mario >cranky Kong >majora mask young Link. Instead of playing as “him” you’d turn into his different forms from majora Mask like deku Link goron Link Zoe’s Link and they’d all have their own separate attacks sort. He’d be similar to Pokemon trainer. >idk...metal Ridley? >waddle dee.”not bandana dee” he could use the umbrella attack. Spears, minecarts that would act like bowser jars clown car, his final smash could be him turning into waddle doo like in Kirby 64 >meowth >idk... >oatchi
Hammer Bro
Funky Kong
Any of the champions or Tetra
The other bounty hunters could work, preferably Sylux
Bandanna Waddle Dee or Rick
Urshifu
Alear, Timerra if we're allowed to expand beyond sword lords
Oatchi or Louie
>Waluigi (honestly don't care) >Dixie/funky/cranky >Impa (either her HW or as AoC) >Raven beak, Sylux or Rundas >Waddle dee or Magolor >Bleh >Leif but uses all weapons >The Explorer from Pikmin 4 but uses mainly Oatchi instead of pikmins.
None of those series have any characters worth adding at this point. At best you might replace Lucina/Chrom with dedicated Spear and Bow users. Not for the sake of relevance but for moveset variety.
Kamek or Captain Toad
Dixie
Any of the 4 BOTW guardian.
Just rework Dark Samus into a real character.
Waddle Dee Bandana Edition
Gengar or Garchomp
Thorr or Fjorm
Solo Purple Pikmin
Dry bones bowser
Funky kong
Impa (hyrule warriors)
Metroid samus (think pichu, but deals and receives more damage)
Kirby 64 (looks like 64 render, with abilities from the game; unable to copy abilities
Mew
Don't know about FE to weigh in, and there's enough as is
Not familiar with Pikmin enough to weigh in, but another rep couldn't hurt
>Mario
Toad, genuinely a hugely iconic character left out thus far >DK
I think these bases are covered and Dixie is way overblown as a missing piece. I would just go Cranky for moveset variety and arcade DK references >Zelda
Rauru can be used as a way to get a ToTK Link moveset. Honestly the justification for not giving non-triforce characters slots based on them predominantly being one-off supporting characters is stupid. These supporting characters are more popular and unique than anything FE has ever offered >Metroid
Raven Beak gives us an easy new addition with a cool design. An actual Metroid that evolves as it fights would also be cool. >Kirby
Dee, kind of easy. But They really should spice up the potential spear moveset with other Waddle Dee and Kirby enemy stuff >Pokémon
Idk they'll just go with the latest thing. I'd pick Mimikyu or Gengar for the sake of a more clearly villainous rep >FE
Tiki. Give us an actual dragon >Pikmin
Oatchi. No need for Rookie unless you can implement an actual split up mechanic. I would love a character representing the fauna of the series but Oatchi is still great
>These supporting characters are more popular and unique than anything FE has ever offered
not to mention a sometimes the companions are pretty much Co-Main Characters like Midna who pretty much is the proganonist of Twilight Princess and King of The Red Lions is also a co-main in the adventure
>Mario Bros
Waluigi >Donkey Kong
Cranky >Zelda
Groose >Metroid
Sylux or Trace >Kirby
Can't even think of one worth it besides what we have >Pokemon
Raichu >Fire Emblem
Black Knight >Pikmin
Can't think of any
>Mario
Pauline >Donkey Kong
Cranky or Dixie Kong >Zelda
Impa >Metroid
Sylux >Kirby
Huh? >Pokemon
Huh? >Fire Emblem
Huh? >Pikmin
New Captain from Pikmin 4 with different Pikmin type
>Mario
Paper Mario. Maybe Nabbit as a left field character. >DK
Funky maybe? There’s no one interesting left. >zelda
Skull kid >metroid
There’s no one left. >kirby
Marx. >pokemon
Some legendary pokemon, preferably not YET ANOTHER bipedal pokemon. >fire emblem
FRICKING NO ONE. >Pikmin
Louie or Rookie & Oatchi. Both would be great. You could even have Louie & Moss as an alt costume for Rookie & Oatchi.
Made this a while ago but here’s my take on it, others can join on this too:
Birdo
Dixie Kong
Midna
Shy Guy
Raven Beak
Marx
Krystal
Eevee
Kumatora
Black Shadow
Lyn
Medusa
Ashley
Raiden
Amy
Alph
Tom Nook
Roll
Elma
Chun Li
Cecil Harvey
Rodin
Octoling
Maria
Yu
Slime
Tootie
Mai Shiranui
Lola Pop
Slime
Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club)
Sandbag
Andy (Advance Wars)
Arle (Puyo Puyo)
Mario - Paper Mario
DK - Dixie Kong
Zelda - Midna
Metroid -Raven Beak
Baby Mario & Luigi(Superstar Saga style duo)
Kirby - Bandana Waddle Dee
Star Fox -Andross
Pokemon - Evee
Earthbound - Ninten
F-Zero - Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem - Lyn
Warioware - Ashley
Metal Gear - Raiden
Sonic - Metal Sonic
Pikmin - Louie
Animal Crossing - Tom Nook
Megaman - Zero
Xenoblade - Elma
Street Fighter - M Bison
Final Fantasy - Black Mage
Bayonetta - Ceraza & Cheshire
Splatoon - Callie & Marie
Castlevania - Soma Cruz
SMT - Jack Frost
Dragon Quest - Slime
Banjo Kazooie - Gruntilda
KoF - Geese Howard
ARMS - Twintelle
Minecraft - idk
Retro - Balloon Fighter
Smash Bros - Master Hand in fighter form
New Series - Isaac (Goldensun)
>Wario
Most likely Ashley, she seems the most popular WarioWare character. Wario Land is forgotten. >Yoshi
Kamek, he's the only option that could make sense as a "Yoshi" character specifically. >F-Zero
Black Shadow >Sonic
Eggman >Star Fox
Krystal >Earthbound
Porky
>Wario
Ashley, obviously. >Yoshi
Poochy or alternatively Birdo maybe. >F-Zero
Black Shadow >Sonic
Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, it'd be really easy to add any of them. >Star Fox
Krystal >Earthbound
Porky
Sonic is due several characters, but it seems like Saku doesng respect the franchise enough. People ask for Eggman a lot lately, but I'd rather get Tails and Knuckles first. They would fit like a glove in Smash
Yoshi doesn’t deserve another pick. His series is just a spin-off of Mario and unlike DK it doesn’t have its own cast and identity separate from Mario.
Poochy has no moveset potential, otherwise he would make sense.
5 months ago
Anonymous
piranha plant tho
5 months ago
Anonymous
>tho
5 months ago
Anonymous
Has moveset potential from across all the variants
5 months ago
Anonymous
you can bullshit a Poochy moveset like you can bullshit Piranha Plant let alone Rosalina
>Make him Yarn Poochy >Now he can you a yarn rope as an appendage >he can use yarn balls >he can use yarn transformation akin to Kirby's Epic Yarn and Yoshi Wooly World >use the chain chomp boulders for stage control utility like Pac-Man's hydrants
now is it really worth it for Poochy? I wouldn't say so myself but I think he can be fun if given the choice
5 months ago
Anonymous
>entire fanbase collectively sighs, asking what the frick this baby shit is, and asking where the COOL characters are.
5 months ago
Anonymous
moot point, smashies complain about literally anything
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ok
5 months ago
Anonymous
Fox isn't that much of an asspull with Star Fox 64 having on foot multiplayer
5 months ago
Anonymous
You dilute your argument by adding characters in there that shouldn't be. >Wolf and Falco didn't actually make anything new. Hell, for the one thing they SHOULD have made new (Landmaster Final Smash), they didn't, simply because they don't need originality, just change some numbers around. >Wii Fit Trainer snaps into well defined yoga/stretch poses for every single attack. Not saying it's not creative, but it's based on something to be sure. >Game and Watch absolutely is based on the game and watch games, why is he front and center?
5 months ago
Anonymous
The point wasn’t that the characters LITERALLY have no moveset potential, its pointing out that morons who say “le no moveset potential” or that characters shouldn't be added because “the existing character already did everything worthwhile” are lacking in any critical and creative thinking. Literal NPCs.
I liked Bandit a lot in the original game. Theycould have made that character more important since it is quite unique there, but it has mostly been abandoned
>Wario
Captain Syrup if Nintendo ever bothers reviving Wario Land >Yoshi
Pretty much all of his good choices are Mario characters anyway >F-Zero
Nobody actually wants an F-Zero character (besides people wanting to off-load Ganon's moveset) >Sonic
Third Party >Star Fox
Can't stop wanking off 64 >Earthbound
It's creator literally said the series was over.
Black Shadow as the fastest heavyweight who can also hover around like Peach. Blood Falcon as an echo. Pico as a sniping-focused character who can also do spin attacks with his shell that behave like the bumper items.
I want the new Wario rep to be Princess Shokora with a mix of Wario's actual Wario Land moves and the transformations/items she had as Princess Game & Watch.
Pauline, Dixie, Impa (Age Calamity sexo version), Raven Beak, Magolor, Iron Valiant, Hector or Dimitri, literally who cares about pikmin reps, they'd all play the same
>Waluigi >Lord Frederik >Vaati or zant or Majora (literally any villain will do) >Raven Beak >Susie >Regigas (they need a heavyweight not glued to Pokémon trainer) >i don’t give a shit uh…. Add the black knight guy >Oatchi or a bulborb
>Mario
Waluigi >DK
Cranky Kong or Funky Kong >Zelda
Moblin/Pig Ganon >Metroid
birb daddy >Kirby
Anyone but hat goomba >Pokemon
Metapod for the lulz >Fire Emblem
frick off >Pikmin
We already have pretty much all the major characters here
I didn't say 3 Olimar I wasn't the anon you was replying to
Ideally I would say >Olimar, simplified with just red, yellow and blue pikmin >Louie, uses wilder pikmins like white, bulmins and purple and sometimes bugs too, another thing is that his pikmins would act independently as a character trait of Louie being less of a leader so by proxy he is more of a trap/puppet character >Oatchi & Rookie Captain, fights more independently with Oatchi's nature but still uses other pikmins, I would like if their side be is a zerg rush tackle that leaves 3 pikmins latched at once but charges over time like Wario waft to do that
Doubling down on a problem but with a new twist doesn't make it go away. If you really want a new Pikmin rep, ask for Louie, since if anyone could hold his own, it's him.
thats is a popular idea for Louie to use his own set of Pikmins
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, I mean by himself.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The popular idea for Louie is to not use Pikmin at all
5 months ago
Anonymous
I never seen Louie on his own without using pikmins and of bugs
5 months ago
Anonymous
Louie is only ever brought up to be a fighter with movesets without using Pikmin. How did you manage to miss them all?
Doubling down on a problem but with a new twist doesn't make it go away. If you really want a new Pikmin rep, ask for Louie, since if anyone could hold his own, it's him.
I cant picture how Louie, Brittany/Charlie, a Rescue Corp member or a leafling would play any different. Maybe they pull different Pikmin types in their rotation
I'm tired of 3rd Parties that have nothing to do with Nintendo, don't get me wrong some are cool as guests
like Snake and Terry I just prefer if they would have actual Nintendo adjacency like take Leon Kennedy for example, he debuted in Playtstation game but he starred in a premier Gamecube game with RE4 so I would be fine with him 100%
thats how you feel, out of all RE character I say he has the most significance to Nintendo
due to starring in RE4, next to him is probably Jill for REmake on GC and Revelations on 3DS
>Kazuya
I like him but he can go, should've been Nightmare instead to return the favor of Link visiting Soul Calibur 2, theres also Yoshimitsu, however as much as it used to be mentioned that he is 2 birds in 1 stone being both a Tekken and Soulcal guy, he isn't much of a star of either series, then theres Ivy and Voldo but Smash is for good boys and girls so I guess Kilik is a suitable option
>Cloud and Sephiroph
they both can go, never should've been here
>Joker
he can go, never should've come here >Bayonetta
she can stay, she pretty much is a Nintendo character now after 2, 3 and Origins
>Richter
he can go if not for being a glorified alt costume
>Terry
I like him but he can go
>Sonic
he can stay, is pretty much honorary Nintendo with all the times he had premier(ish) games on Ninty system like Adventure 2, Heroes and Sonic Rush, his history as a rival to Mario is cool too
>Snake
I like him but he can go
>Ryu and Ken
honestly always found his inclusion annoying since Capcom couldn't just let Megaman have his moment but I get it, still they can go
>other >sora
Like half of KH as a series was exclusive to Nintendo handhelds for years you fricking moron. Re:Coded and Days are still only playable on DS.
>Mario
Paper Mario (FRICK Waluigi) >Donkey Kong
Dixie >Zelda
Ghirahim >Metroid
Raven Beak >Kirby
Adeline >Pokemon
Gardevoir for that lost Gen 3 rep >Fire Emblem
Lyn >Pikmin
Water Wraith
>Waluigi >DK Junior >Skull Kid >Sylux >either Marx or Madeleine, not sure >Deoxys >remove all fire emblem characters >who could you possibly even add from pikmin? idk, a bulborb or something that calls other bulborbs?
Waluigi, Cranky Kong, Fierce Deity Link, one of the hunters from metroid prime hunters, Galacta Knight, Deoxys, Dimitri, i know nothing about Pikmin so i will say Pik-man.
>Mario
Waluigi or, if we're counting third parties, Geno >DK
Dixie Kong or Funky Kong >Zelda
Midna >Metroid
Raven Beak or Sylux >Kirby
Bandana Waddle Dee, Magalor or Marx >Pokemon
Genesect or, if we need to add one for advertising purposes, Ogerpon >Fire Emblem
Lyn or Hector, frick the generic avatar characters >Pikmin
Oatchi or Louie
Dunno about all of them, but here's the most likely non-3rd party newcomers.
- Toad/Toadette: Major Nintendo icon, heavily used in advertising, was in movie, and playable/large role in every mainline Mario title.
- Dixie Kong: MC of one of the greatest 2D platformers of all time, appears in Mario spinoffs, and promoted in the Super Nintendo World theme park.
- Eevee: Pikachu's Luigi and the secondary mascot to the entire Pokemon franchise.
- Oatchi/Moss: Central character/gameplay of the latest Pikmin title.
- FE Engage MC (dunno the name, lol) - Sakurai loves Fire Emblem.
will say Bandana Waddle Dee for Kirby on the basis that he is consistently the forefront >RtDL >Rainbow Curse >Fighters 2 >Battle Royale >Forgotten Land
still has a bit of a role in but not as much >SS Ultra >Star Allies >Triple Deluxe
I think Robobot and Dream Buffet too but I don't remember
>Waluigi
he is fine but has a lot of competition with Toad, Paper Mario, Pauline, King Boo and as much I hate to say it Geno(when it should be Fawful) too
>Dixie
she's definitely next even though there is still Cranky and Funky and Fredirik
>Impa
no complaint, she can easily replace Sheik but it kinda could be underwhelming to some to have another Ninja after Sheik after all this time without a Zelda newcomer but is not Impa's fault, fine with her personally, also has lots of competition with the likes of Midna, Skullkid and Rauru
>Ravenbeak
great, definitely better than Sylux imo
>Marx
eh, he can stay as a boss since we don't have too many of those, I think BanDee, Magolor and Gooey are better fighter candidates, after all they were in Kirby Fighters 2
>Tinkaton
I don't care for nuPokemon but I will say that I really rather see more Pokemon bosses like Giratina, Regigias and Kyurem and such, but I digress, Tinkaton is definitely one of the better nuPokemons
>Alear
ew, WOAT design, pls give me Lyn or Black Knight instead, or even Edelgard despite having Byleth already
>Louie and Moss
kinda makes for a good 2 birds one stone deal with both a villain and a central new mechanic of Pikmin 4
Mario: Wart
DK: Funky Kong
Zelda: Nabooru / Saria / Darunia or Ruto depending on which type of combatant they need
Metroid: It's okay as it is.
Kirby: Don't know
Pokémon: Gardevoir or Sceptile.
Fire Emblem: There are enough sworddudes already
Flower: Don't know
Nabbit
Classic DK
Tingle
That robot from the dread trailer
Magalor
Pokémon Trainer from a different region
Idk there was a guy who threw axes in the gba fire emblem so him i guess
A Bulborb
Dillon shares absolutely nothing with sonic aside from the very concept of rolling, which you literally only do in the game to go fast. Dillon's main attacks are claw slashes.
>Add thread >Kirby suggestions are a healthy mix of characters, even the Deebros are suggesting others along side >Cutgay thread >hat goombagays posting the worst cutgay rosters imaginable and listening to moronic youtubers
Really makes you think
thread >>hat goombagays posting the worst cutgay rosters imaginable and listening to moronic youtubers
I didn't do any of that, what one YTgay cutting metaknight is moronic
In a limited 18 character roster with just one guy per series I say it could be >Mario (Mario) >Wario (Warioware) >Donkey Kong (DK) >Samus (Metroid) >Link (Zelda) >Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) >Inkling (Splatoon) >Captain Falcon (F-Zero) >Min Min(Arms) >Olimar (Pikmin) >Pikachu (Pokemon) >Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade) so theres boobs >Black Knight (Fire Emblem) so theres a bad guy >Little Mac (Punchout) >Alice (Balloon Kid) >Isaac (Goldensun) >Sami (Advance Wars) >Bayonetta
Waluigi
Funky kong
Ghirahim
Dark samus but with a unique moveset
That princess from kirby 64 that gets posted here
Pokemon Rival (its pokemon trainer but all the costumes are based on different rivals such as gary or wally, team is mudkip, grovile and blaziken)
Idc about fire emblem or pikmin
NTA but it just screams Base Roster addition and as much as I love Min Min, opening up FP2 with her wasn’t the smartest of ideas since they literally gave you the option of buying the whole pass, if the next game gets DLC it needs to straight up tell you how many 1st and 3rd Parties will be in said pass. Not everyone will like the mystery shit.
>it needs to straight up tell you how many 1st and 3rd Parties will be in said pass
1st party vs 3rd party isn't really the problem, its the scraping of the barrel that 1st party needs to do to get something that'd be exciting enough to market as DLC, vs 3rd party.
Think of the normalgays, and how they'd want something COOL
tl;dr, add Raven Beak
>Waluigi >Cranky Kong >Master Kohga >Raven Beak >Bandana Dee >Doesn’t deserve a new rep >Doesn’t need a new rep >What would they even do that isn’t just Olimar but slightly different
They should just give Impa Sheik's move set and improve on it simply because its kind of odd to keep Shiek around at this point out of all the possibilities available. Impa fits the part more than Zelda who is mostly disguised as a Sheikah. Regardless, they are just ninjas and thats pretty boring in itself without the magic.
nope, sorry, can't agree. impa uses a big ass sword and shiek is my main and also a smash staple at this point.
they should if anything revamp sheik to better match her actual concept in OOT as a musician
waluigi
funky
impa
some high ranking space pirate or raven beak. maybe one of the hunters from prime series if 4 ever comes out and they're involved
magalor or bandana dee
who cares the pokemon additions are just advertisements for new games
who cares the FE additions are just advertisements for new games
louie as an echo who has different pikmin types than olimar but otherwise similar moveset
>Mario
Geno >DK
Cranky >Zelda
Impa (OoT or AoC) >Metroid
Raven Beak >Kirby
Marx >Pokemon
Don't care. Machamp? >FE
The summoner from the mobile game (Could have a pokemon trainer gimmick to reduce the total number of FE reps) >Pikmin
Louie (could use enemies from Pikmin instead of the pikmin themselves)
>Mario
Captain Toad >DK
Change Diddy to be the Diddy/Dixie Zelda/Shiek idea that was cut from Brawl. >Zelda
There's not really anyone good to add. I guess a split out Link into a dedicated BotW Link and TP Link? Give BotW Link the paraglider or something and give TP Link his Brawl/Smash 4 moveset. >Metroid
Raven Beak >Kirby
Doesn't really need a new character, but Bandana Waddle Dee should be an assist trophy over Chef Kawasaki. >Pokemon
Urshifu >FE
Alear >Pikmin
Oatchi
I would love AoC Impa just so she can have a Purah alt costume ala Koopalings and Hero and play as BEST GIRL instead
yeah Sheikah's in general were pretty important to the BoTW trilogy so if anyone can represent that ideally it would be AoC Impa/Paya/Purah in a all in one character like Hero and The Koopalings
Waluigi or Shyguy
Lanky Kong
Dead Hang + Bongo Bongo stage
Whatever
Marx obviously or a Galacta Knight alt for Meta Knight
Red's already in so whatever, there's already too many Pokes in
Couldn't give less fricks, already way too many gay Emblem characters
What's that one, Pikmin? Olimar's the only character really worth adding and the monsters would just be too weird.
Waluigi
Lanky Kong
Darunia
SA-X
Waddle Dee/Waddle Doo tag fighter like pythra
Tyranitar
Black Knight
Louie
Tyranitar would make the coolest fighter of these imo, maybe a heavyweight zoner with stealth rocks to setup combos and sandstorm to cause chip (but no hitstun) in a large area, controlling movement
unironically waluigi
funky kong
either toon zelda/tetra or MM link (switches between deku goron and zora mask like pokemon trainer)
i dunno, maybe one of the robots from dread?
waddle dee
deoxys
eliwood, but in exchange remove the last 3 FE characters they put in
the dog thing from the new game i guess
>eliwood, but in exchange remove the last 3 FE characters they put in
In what world is Roy's dad a better option than the guy with 4 weapons, the guy who transforms into a dragon, or the durability-based spellcaster
I want new characters less than I want the 17 gazillion unnecessary sword fighters deported, yes im looking at all the twitter soragays who dont even play him and just wanted him to be in le vidya hall of fame.
an evolving gimmick would be an interesting take on the comeback gimmick
make it like a mix of having an echo to switch to plus the Shulk Monado Arts
Evee >B - Swift (Projectile) >Side B - Takedown (Rush) >Up B - Double Edge (Rise) >Down B - Sand Attaack (AOE)
they will all havee the same kind of specials but with different properties
Vaporeon(survivability boost) >B - Water Pulse >Side B - Chilling Water >Up B - Flip Turn >Down B - Aqua Ring
Jolteon(Speed Boost) >B - Pin Missile >Side B - Thunder Fang >Up B - Volt Switch >Down B - Discharge
Flareon(Smash Boost) >B - Heat Wave >Side B - Fire Fang >Up B - Flame Charge >Down B - Lava Plume
Espeon(Grab and Special Boost) >B - Psybeam >Side B - Psychic Fangs >Up B - Zen Headbutt >Down B - Psychic
Umbreon(Shield Boost) >B - Dark Pulse >Side B -Crunch >Up B - Lashout >Down B - Snarl
>Mario
I would say waluigi, but I'm gonna say Paper Mario / "Mario & Luigi" instead >DK
Funky monky >Zelda
Pig Ganon (featuring trident. spinning it as a continuous move in some way). Or tingle for the meme >Metroid
Raven beak / Trace
Dunno really, Marx? >Pokemon
Gholdengo / Tinkaton >Fire Emblem
Realistically it'd be (INSERT LATEST / UPCOMING LORD) But barring that, I like Arthur, but a luck-based character would probably be DOA. Maybe donnel / mozu as meme characters that start weak but get stronger if they stay alive longer >Pikmin
Louie + titan dweevil using moveset
>Midna is suddenly as popular if not more popular than Skullkid
thats a surprise but then again not really, Ganker has always loved Midna among Zelda character and as mentioned she is a co-main character of her game
>Mario
Waluigi or Birdo >Donkey Kong
Funky Kong >Zelda
Impa (Skyward Sword/Hyrule Warriors because I think that one's cooler) >Metroid
Sylux >Kirby
Bandana Dee, I guess >Pokemon
Meowscarada >Fire Emblem
Tharja >Pikmin
Collin, Louie's too obvious
Toad
Dixie Kong
Tingle
I don't know I think Metroid is fine as-is
Gooey
I don't give a shit about Pokémon sooooooo... Missingno would be mildly amusing
Remove Corrin
Bulborb
most popular choices for each >Mario, Waluigi and Toad >DK, Dixie Kong and Funky >Zelda, Impa and Midna >Metroid, Raven Beak and Sylux >Kirby, Bandana Waddle Dee and Marx or Magolor >Pokemon, can't really tell is mixed bag >Fire Emblem, Lyn and Hector or Black Knight >Pikmin, Louie and Oatchi
edelgard was chosen purely for 3H shit flinging (I don't care much for FE) and bisharp because I thought "how could we add another anime swordsman to smash"
yes but he does have swords and I think a pokemon pick that still fits the criteria would be really funny. If I was choosing purely off my own bias it'd be blacephalon or blaziken probably
yeah pikmin enemies would need a lot of original moves to actually work. I'm happy we got pikmin representation at all but new characters would all be very samey to olimar.
>Mario
Toad/Toadette >DK
Dixie Kong >Zelda
Ganondorf with an actual Ganondorf moveset >Metroid
Raven Beak >Kirby
Magalor >Pokemon
the shota-fricking magic cat from gen 9 I don't remember its name >Fire Emblem
Lyn as a fan pick, but also roll Lucina into Marth, get rid of Roy, and get rid of Corrin because Fire Emblem absolutely needs to drop serious weight before getting anyone else otherwise nobody if I can't get rid of anyone >Pikmin
Louie
Oatchie from Pikmin 4 is definitely gonna get in. B is pick pikmin, down b is whistle, side b is charge, up b is the leaping bite. A heavier version of olimar.
I will be shocked if he is not in with the TTYD remake likely being a year 1 release for the console. And given the proximity to that game I guess he will probably be mainly based on that version.
Give him a unique ability where when he jumps on someone's head he damages them, and can push A to quickly jump again. Side B is Koops. B down is Vivian. Up B is parakarry. Neutral B is Bobbery. Side Smash is the charging hammer attack. D-air is groundpound.
>stop adding shit pokemon >proceeds to name two shitty samey pokemon as the “”””good”””” options
Frick off. I’m tired of fursuit mons on the roster. Give me something cool and unique looking. Something that doesn’t walk on two fricking legs and look like man in a suit.
More like I’m tired of all the pokemon having samey looks and movesets. Give me chandelure or necrozma or some shit. Something ACTUALLY unique. Not fursona #7392937 with basic punch kick + obligatory elemental attack movesets.
They just need to add new Pokemon reps rather than hashing the old ones.
Sure, it would've been hard to pick worse a mon than Incineroar, but you'd also think that when there's over 1000 mons now, we would stop seeing the 7 we've seen since 2008.
Thoughts on all the female Pokémon in this Super Bash Sisters? Gardevoir is out since it can also be male lmao, this was made before Gen 9, so it starts at Pikachu Libre with a Pokken moveset and ends with Hatterne
add >AoC Impa(Purah and Paya being alts) >Alice from Balloon Kid >Akara Hayami from 1080 Snowboarding and Wave Race >Cereza with Cheshire for Bayonetta
>stop adding shit pokemon >proceeds to name two shitty samey pokemon as the “”””good”””” options
Frick off. I’m tired of fursuit mons on the roster. Give me something cool and unique looking. Something that doesn’t walk on two fricking legs and look like man in a suit.
Pokegay are scared of 2 legs
They just need to add new Pokemon reps rather than hashing the old ones.
Sure, it would've been hard to pick worse a mon than Incineroar, but you'd also think that when there's over 1000 mons now, we would stop seeing the 7 we've seen since 2008.
More like I’m tired of all the pokemon having samey looks and movesets. Give me chandelure or necrozma or some shit. Something ACTUALLY unique. Not fursona #7392937 with basic punch kick + obligatory elemental attack movesets.
Whoa there calm down guys, what if we had a bunch of Pikaclones like the Marth Clones? Just some food for thought.
I'll first do a "reasonable" response, than something more bullshit >Paper Mario >Dixie Kong >Impa >Raven Beak >Bandanna Dee >Meowscarada >Alear >Oatchi
Now for bullshit/wackyshit. >Fawful >Cranky Kong >Tingle >Federation Force >Daroach >Zarude >Anna >Louie
>Waluigi >Turn Diddy into Diddy & Dixie as an Ice Climbers/style character with a tag system >Koei-Tecmo crossover representing Warriors, Volga from Hyrule Warriors >Samus, Dark Samus and Ridley has already exhausted the pool of capable fighters that wouldn't just be other clones or semi-clones of Samus >BandaMarx >Pheremosa >Hector >Louie
>waluigi >cranky kong >eldritch surreal majora >dark samus gets a more unique moveset, ridley is 25% bigger & heavier >kirby uses different/more copy abilities in his basic moveset, cant have the ones taken from other fighters knocked away >kabutops cause frick u >replace byleth with chosen undead :^) >louie
Give Peach an updated moveset revolving around whatever that new game of hers is. Split Daisy off into her own fully fledged fighter.
Funky.
Impa.
Raven Beak seems like an easy one but 3 villains to 1 hero really feels like a stretch imo.
Bandana.
Gato Sexo.
Cut everyone but Marth, Robin, and Byleth - but introduce a new item, a FEH summoning orb. It works like an AT/Pokeball so you can have your favorite dragon or horse knight on the field for a bit.
Uhhhhhhhhhh.
Mario: Geno.
DK: Dixie or Cranky Kong
Zelda: Midna or Skull Kid
Pokemon: They'll go with the latest generation of popular furry bait. So probably Meowscarada or some shit.
Fire Emblem: No. Frick them, they have enough characters now.
Metroid: Raven Beak
Kirby: Marx
Pikmin: Oatchi as the new joke fighter akin to Piranha Plant.
Maybe we can contest the definiton but joke charscters arent always bad, often they have a reputation if being decent mid/high tiers. Though upon reflection I didnt really adress your point so much as made a side comment
Joke characters have always been about characters that seemingly have no moveset potential and are from series that would never usually have a fighter in smash
All you Nickers out there, choose one rep for each franchise: >SpongeBob SquarePants >Rugrats >Rocko's Modern Life >Hey Arnold >Jimmy Neutron >Danny Phantom >Invader Zim >Avatar >Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles >Garfield
>SpongeBob SquarePants
Just bring back Sandy. If it has to be a new one then Gary. >Rugrats
Stu Pickles >Rocko's Modern Life
Heffer Wolfe >Hey Arnold
Arnold. Or bring back Helga. >Jimmy Neutron
King Goobot V >Danny Phantom
Sam Manson >Invader Zim
Dib >Avatar
Bring back Toph. >Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Bring back Shredder. >Garfield
Odie
>Spongebob
Man-Ray >Rugrats
Grandpa Lou >Rocko's Modern Life
Really REALLY Big Man >Hey Arnold
Grandpa Phil >Jimmy Neutron
Sheen >Danny Phantom
Fright Knight >Invader Zim
Gaz >Avatar
Ty Lee >TMNT
Karai >Garfield
Odie
>spongebob
Bring Back Sandy and tone her down from being Op from first game >Rugrats
Stu Pickles or Angelica with depressed Stu assist for specials. >Rocko
I don't want Heffer or the Turtle. I don't think you can bring another Rocko character with a moveset. Heffer is probably the best candidate for this >Arnold
black kid stole helga's moveset. Bring back Helga with a redesign >Jimmy
Just bring back Hugh >Danny Phantom
Plasmus deserves to be in >Invader Zim
Dib w/ sister for specials >Avatar
we have too many firebenders. bring the old granny cop with mental bending whips she's cool and probably the most sensible option from korra. If not, Katara but Korra has a lot of water attacks already so it would feel repeat. Could also bring Toph back. >TMNT
Bring back the 2 turtles or shredder >Garfield
the female cat could be a semi-clone with different aesthetics. other than that, ideally I don't want more from this franchise. The animals from the barn propbably would be better contenders.
Pokemon should add gen 1 stablished mons and maybe a new one on top of that. Going just for new ones is cringe when there are so many incredibly recognizable characters in its roster
>Dry Bowser (as an alt) >Funky Kong (WITH the Flame Flyer) >Groose >Metroid (as a Pirahna Plant like character) >Bandana Dee >Garchomp >Camilla >Oatchi/Louie (with the Titan Dweevil as the final Smash)
>Mario
Waluigi >DK
Dixie >LoZ
Midna >Metroid
EMMI >Kirby
Not sure/Random Waddle dee >Pokemon
Eevee with Eevolutions >FE
No we have enough >Pikmin
The dog from Pikmin 4
Toad would be more popular if he had a snappy specialty that he never really quite had, he still has plenty of raw canon moveset potential actually is just not special to him most of it
Waluigi on the other hand has material that is special to him since he was goven that in the sports games that, in Strikers Waluigi was given thorny vines, Tennis Waluigi Tornado and air swimming, Baseball liar ball and such, meanwhile Toad wasn't even playable in Tennis so he missed it, was a role player rather than a captain in baseball and strikers so he missed the chance to be given one
is ironic how somehow Waluigi was playable in the right kind of games that would make him special while Toad was playble in mainline games but wasn't given material to make him special
is funny how Pauline can be considered both a Donkey Kong character and a Mario character, she technically only been in "Donkey Kong" games prior to Odyssey, with Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong(94) and Mario vs Donkey Kong but yeah she deserves to be up there, especially if Rosalina made it
Geno and Fawful I feel would switch places in a alternate timeline, you have Geno who was only a party member in SMRPG, though he is story relevant, then you got Fawful who was a Co-Main Villain in Superstar Saga, appeared in Partners in Time and was The Main Villain in Bowser's Inside Story, yet lookinh at smash popularity you would think is the other way around
Waluigi, Cranky, Vaati, Raven Beak, Fecto Elfilis or Morpho Knight, Ethan (Gen 2 Pokémon Trainer with Chicorita, Quilava and Feraligatr), anyone with an axe or spear as a primary weapon, nobody, just add more alt-skins to Olimar.
>Mario
We have more than enough Mario characters >Donkey Kong
Dixie Kong >Zelda
Impa and Tetra >Metroid
Metroid already has the perfect character rep >Kirby
Dark Matter >Pokemon
We have more than enough Pokemon characters >Fire Emblem
Cut every character besides Marth and Ike. Add Leif, Lyn, and the Black Knight. >Pikmin
Alph gets upgraded to an echo fighter.
>Waluigi, Paper Mario, or Toad/Captain Toad >Dixie >Skull Kid, Midna, or AoC Impa >Raven Beak or Sylux (or rework Dark Samus to be original like her Sm4sh Assist Trophy) >Bandana Dee >Ceruledge, Tinkaton, or Gholdengo in terms of just Gen 9, Hoenn Pokémon Trainer (Mudkip, Grovyle, Blaziken) is my never-ever pick >Cut at least Corrin, Chrom and Roy (and make Lucina a Marth skin) first, then you can add Tiki, Anna, Lyn, or Black Knight >Louie or Rookie Captain and Oatchi
Completely unrelated to those, but I just want to get this off my chest: it won’t happen, but I’d much rather see Matthew from XC3 Future Redeemed over Noah and/or Mio, a brawler character would be way more interesting than another sword user.
Mario: Vivian (PM:TTYD) (bonus points: no trans flag alt colors)
DK: Chunky, Funky, or Lanky
Zelda: Skull Kid
Metroid: The Baby
Kirby: Adeleine
Pokemon: Bea
Fire Emblem: Arthur (FE: Fates)
Pikmin: Louie
come to think of it, Sakurai is actually insane to have Rosalina and Piranha Plant before Toad
but atleast those are the more creative fighters to be fair
is a shame that he is a hoarder and would rather keep Toad as part of Peach's moveset
even though King Dedede immediately lost his Waddle Dee throws when it was one of his better moves
Peach can atleast keep Toadsworth there instead of Toad if he wants that move so bad
when is really not special to Peach at all, even less so for Daisy having a Toad as a servant
>is a shame that he is a hoarder and would rather keep Toad as part of Peach's moveset
even though King Dedede immediately lost his Waddle Dee throws when it was one of his better moves
Fricking this, certain Dedede players are mindless Gordo Spammers and I do miss the Dees and Doos
it was particularly awesome since Waddle Dees were a better meatshield than Toad to, they were effectively defensive protectiles that countered zoning very well
>Mario
Waluigi obviously, i would rather have another one but this is the objectively correct choice. >DK
Torn between Cranky doing classic arcade stuff+TF stuff or Dixie. >Zelda
Ganon so we can have a more series accurate boss than Falcondorf >Metroid
Raven Beak, its no contest, while EMMI using some of Samus skills could be cool Raven Beak is cooler by defaut >Kirby
Adeleine, a summons character would be interesting >Pokemon
Staying with GEN9 since its the latest is really tough, the sexweedcat would be alright i guess. >FE
I honestly dont know shit about FE, but i would want a villain if they have anything cool for it >Pikmin?
The dog from the new game i guess.
Top Priority >Mario (duh) >Luigi(with more Luigi's mansion moves) >Toad(as a power up merchant as he was in SMB3) >Peach >Bowser
If is a huge >50 Roster >Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings >Daisy (reworked to use Wonder Flower Badges and specialties like Crystals) >Rosalina >Paper Mario >Fawful >Waluigi (Can count as Wario by association despite never being in Wario games) >Bird (like Waluigi, Yoshi by common association, also as an echo to be the nuYoshi to Yoshi returning to dino posture) >Kamek (can count as Yoshi rep) >Pauline (can count as a Donkey Kong rep) >King Boo (frankly Luigi's Mansion can branch off into its own series if theres Yoshi)
Extremely Based, Fire Emblem fans would be pissing and shitting their pants at getting jack squat if Smash were to really go back to basics and start from where the series began but only limiting themselves to series that were in 64, and I’d welcome all the Earthbound and F-Zero characters
i have a theory i'd like to test.
smash compared to other fighting games is more focused on characters in the game than the game's mechanics or its quality as a fighting game vs competitors.
this isn't to say other games like tekken 8 or sf6 do not have rostergayging, far from it, but the point is to say that most players of tekken or street fighter WILL buy the next entry even if it has the same characters as always because it represents a new set of challenges to learn. if sf6 was just sf2 characters i would've bought it regardless because the fighting system itself looked fun. and i say that as someone who would rather play sf3 or 4 characters if they were in the game but they are not. it is what it is, but that doesn't lower my interest in the game.
meanwhile it seems far more likely the average smash consumer would not purchase the next smash if the newcomers added were not up to par. ultimately, smash as a product is more about who's invited rather than the core game itself. i wager smash is less popular as an serious online matchmaking title than competitors like tekken or street fighter though i have no way to prove this. it's simply vibes based on how people talk about the game. an sf thread on Ganker will definitely be someone actually playing the game talking about their qualms, you know?
The first party potential for newcomers is in a state of scaping the barrel, with a few minor exceptions for what would cause hype for the average normalgay
exactly, hence why now is the time to do major mechanical iterations on the core system. you can have lower numbers of new characters or even cut old characters if the game is new and exciting in a mechanical sense. but the question is how appealing is that to the typical smash consumer and what kind of iterations could be made without sacrificing core identity.
Depends how you do the cut, most morons will insist on nuking half the roster to shove in their own niche 1st party picks, but if you look at past illerations like Brawl and 4, you don't have to go full moron at all.
Just trim the fat, with a handful of characters no one is really going to miss (Chrom, Corrin, Dark Pit, Pichu, Young/Toon Link, Daisy, Bowser Jr. etc)
according to general consensus, Toon Link is low priority
but I think Toon Link can stay if the Roster calls for 50 vets out of 89 so I say he is middle priority
5 months ago
Anonymous
This is the list I meant when I was talking about trimming the fat, you can safely nuke the entire bottom tier and no one will really mourn, but anything else should be a case by case to decide on a good replacement.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>nuking daisy >when she's finally relevant due to wonder
People will care
5 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe, but it won't be a complete shitshow like when they cut Mewtwo or Snake
5 months ago
Anonymous
I hate how people consider cutting Mewtwo again over Jigglypuff just because it happened before
Snake can go, he is a guest, not quite a Nintendo All-Star
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Sakurai cutting Joker
You people are making rostergayging unfun. I miss Japan time so much.
5 months ago
Anonymous
how nice must it be to be a director working in an office with a view of da city
5 months ago
Anonymous
cutting is just as fun though in playing football manager
5 months ago
Anonymous
Nooo anon, you aren't allowed to like Joker, hes le homosexual anime man, and reddit likes Persona so that equals LE BAD!!!!
Autistic shitposting aside, Persona 5 wasn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be, several leagues better than the insufferable writing of FE Fates and Xenoblade 2
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Shits on gays for complaining about animu >Goes out of his way to shit on Xenoblade 2
lol lmao even
5 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't dropped a JRPG half way since FF15, but holy frick, Rex is a shitter
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Barry bait posting
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Barry bait posting
>Barry AND Eric posting rolled into one
wew
5 months ago
Anonymous
All we need now is Xgay and we'll be >Everyone is Here!
Nobody would miss Daisy? Are you high?
More people also Dark Pit than Pit.
Why would these characters take priority on the chopping block when they take all of two seconds to add?
>for what would cause hype for the average normalgay
But normalgays don't have good knowledge of vidya, so why is it better to placate them? That mentality meant us getting Joker instead of someone like Aleph or Demifiend.
Still infinitely better than listening to morons on Smashboards and Youtube with astronomically shit taste. I'd happily take a SMT rep over Joker anyday, but still better than that slot going to a shillmon, goomba or a 9th FE rep
honestly as popular as Octoling is I don't understand why a lot of people hate Dark Pit yet want Octoling?
isn't Octoling just a Dark Inkling pretty much >but she can use their own weapons
Dark Pit can be given the more unique Uprising weapons too
but to be fair Splatoon is definitely more warranted to have another character than Kid Icarus ever was,
although Kid Icarus had more characters that resonates like Palutena, Viridi, Medusa, Hades and Magnus and such
thats not to say that Splatoon doesn't have a characters that resonates like Callie & Marie and the Off The Hook duo
As someone coming at a splatoon rep from a completely unbiased perspective, I’ve always thought that an Octoling that simply uses all the weapons that the Inkling didn’t use would make for an excellent second rep. At the absolute worst it would be an Isabelle-tier character where half the moves are reused or very similar and the other half are entirely new. But since the Inkling in smash ONLY reps Splatoon 1, the Octoling would have a wealth of weapons to choose from, including the ones from Splatoon 1 that aren’t in the Inkling’s moveset plus EVERY SINGLE new weapon introduced in Splatoon 2 and 3.
People hate Dark Pit because they slept on Uprising, there's literally nothing else to it. They assume he was a one off bad guy like Dark Link is even though he's ironically the most developed character in Kid Icarus.
Pittoo shouldn't be cut, he should be entirely reworked from the ground up the same way Falco was in Brawl, anyone who actually played Uprising will tell you the same thing. Rostergays don't think like that. If they don't like a character, they would rather remove them permanently instead of thinking of ways to make them more enjoyable.
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I guess is to do with how Dark Pit has been tried so Octoling would seem more refreshing even though is entirely possible that they could just be echo status too
but at a glance, Octoling has much more clear differences to Inkling than Dark Pit to Pit, I guess Dark Pit would be more popular if he was more like Metaknight to Kirby, who technically is just a dark Kirby under the mask and wear a mask most of the time, a Spartan Helm would suit him
Still stand by my stance that Dark Pit would be more popular if Uprising sold more. People hated Palutena for the same reason in Smash 4, then she became a top tier in Ultimate and now everyone pretends like they loved her from the beginning. You don't need to add anything to his design, just let him use his staff more instead of making him use le ebic multihit bow.
>People hated Palutena for the same reason in Smash 4,
People hated Palutena because she was one of like two characters with super unique custom moves when almost every other character's custom moves were just lame modifications.
People hate Dark Pit because they slept on Uprising, there's literally nothing else to it. They assume he was a one off bad guy like Dark Link is even though he's ironically the most developed character in Kid Icarus.
Pittoo shouldn't be cut, he should be entirely reworked from the ground up the same way Falco was in Brawl, anyone who actually played Uprising will tell you the same thing. Rostergays don't think like that. If they don't like a character, they would rather remove them permanently instead of thinking of ways to make them more enjoyable.
Waluigi
Funky Kong
Rauru
That black guy from other m
Marx
Ash
idk, that axe guy who is friend with that eliwood guy?
Don't know anything about pikmin except that it's miyamoto's baby. So I'm choosing miyamoto himself.
Frick this shit, let’s shake things up and list characters we would remove instead! Series that have more than one rep are eligible. So Pikmin doesn’t count here.
>Mario
Rosalina
>DK
Diddy
>Zelda
Either merge Sheik back into Zelda, or remove or rework Yink or Tink
Prince Haru
Funky Kong
Riju (forma de child)
I don't really know Metroid so I will shitpost with Adam
The clown guy
New pokemon trainer but switching pokemon switches between Liko, Roy and Dot as well
One of the e-girl dragons
This has the only real characters already doesn't it?
>Mario
Geno or Paper Mario >DK
Dixie >Zelda
Grab ganondorf and redesign him. Don't need more than Link/Zelda?Ganon and Sheik. Either him or Young Link gets redesigned with masks from MM to play like pokemon trainer >Metroid
Raven Beak >Kirby
Bandana Dee >Pokemon
Ideally none. Otherwise some new gen rep. Gato sexo probably >Fire Emblem
Ideally none. Sadly I fear we will see Colgate hair MC >Pikmin
there is nothing you can add. Louie was not an alt skin because he's taller. Only one that worked was Alph. At most you can add others from the cast as skins.
if you had one black (nonavatar) character to add, who would you pick?
>Mike Tyson(punchout) >Sandman (Punch-Out) >Doc Louis (Punch-Out) >Piston Hurricane (Super Punchout) >Disco Kid(Punch-out Wii) >Rodin or Loki (Bayonetta) >Off the Hook Black Octoling (Splatoon 2) >Twintelle (ARMS) >Elma, though not really black (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
>Mario
Either Geno or Waluigi not because I care either way but because if you need to scrape the bottom of the barrel for any character from this franchise, get one that people actually care about >DK
Really doesn't need another, DK has never had a lot of characters and while getting Funky or Cranky or Dixie might be nice, I don't think it's needed >Zelda
same deal, Zelda only really has three recurring characters and they're already represented >Metroid
Dark Samus should never have been added and Metroid is just about Samus and Ridley plus a bunch of space pirates >Kirby
Short of Bandana Dee for the same reason as Waluigi/Geno, again I don't think Kirby needs another rep. Kirby/MK/DDD already fill out the franchise well enough and it's hard to think of anything else. Maybe Lololo and Lalala as a clone of ICs. >Pokemon
Pretty much guaranteed to get a new shillmon in each game but the one that it deserves is Grovyle. >FE
Frick off >flower
What?
Waluigi, dixie, vaati, metroid, galacta knight, eevee, lol, lol
Mario: Wapeach
DK: Cranky Kong
Zelda: Tulin
Metroid: Raven Beak
Kirby: Marx
Pokemon: Gardevoir
lol
lol
King boo, Lanky kong, OOT ganon (unique non falcon clone moveset), give ZSS bigger boobs, bandanna dee, Tapu Koko, FRICK FIRE EMBLEM, pikmin lol
i don't actually play smash so i hope none of these are already in
Mario: bowser jr
DK: Cranky Kong
Zelda: That goat dude from totk
Metroid: pic related
is the star supposed to be kirby? i don't even know the kirby cast besides kirby and meta knight
pokemon: Gholdengo
I don't know what the sword and flower are supposed to stand for
That guy and the little guys could make a ice climber/duck hunt type character. They already have speed booster and wall jump.
Bowser Jr. is in.
Sword = Fire Emblem
Flower = Pikmin
How did you even manage to open Ganker while being this fricking moronic?
>i don't actually play smash
Why are you even in this thread?
the last thing this series needs is more characters. they need to redesign existing characters to be more unique and deep. project m is a perfect example of how to breath new life into old characters in a way that satisfies casuals and compgays alike.
how many ultimate characters have a generic up special that makes them go up with a hitbox attached to them? how many have a down special counter? and a bog standard neutral special projectile? it's just boring. so very boring.
Well this is the actual answer, but people don't care about the game or mechanics, just more roster.
it can't be helped. all we can do is move onto rivals 2. i don't think brawlback is ever coming out.
gee it's almost like nintendo lawyers colluded with the top tournament organizer to kill project m in the cradle. they made twitch literally ban accounts for simply streaming project m.
Smash's selling point is the characters. Trying to pretend anything else matters as much is how you get an Icons or that other 3D smash clone that died.
on some level players do not want generic characters otherwise people would jerk off the three mii characters and care about them more. therefore a proper moveset that plays in an interesting way is part of that selling point.
For me i have no motivation to try some smash clones where the characters are literally furry porn art. Something like nick and multiversus just seemed like shit to play.
if you can't look at something like pic related without thinking of pornography i think you have a serious addiction problem.
Oh i hit a nerve, i'm not judging but furry shit is not for me.
I'll judge
Stay away from kennels and petting zoos
>some
EVERY level, not some. Dragon King may have become a decent series with some recurring mechanics but Smash Bros. was the better choice. The whole moveset > character bullshit doesn't last, especially if they lean on gimmicky movesets that can taint a whole character's viability or worse, you get an FE situation where the moveset is interesting and overude but the character is attached to an unwelcome stigma.
Nick All-Stars trying to be competitive or 'unique' killed it and that was the last game that needed to be competitive. Part of the fun in Smash is to make sure the game is fun on a casual level, and THEN you can add deeper mechanics for those who want to play competitively. Melee is literally the sweet spot with competitive play and casual fun. Sakurai failed (or does realize it but wants to bury it) to realize that starting with Brawl.
Pretty much this. Also melee abd 64 are not more fun just because they are casual friendly, but that they have good game feel and allow wacky shit.
I spend a lot of time with my friend in hyrule castle in melee and we laugh our asses off, teching from above 400 and seeing momentum anomalies. 4 onwards you could not tech above certain damage and they did not really even have momentum, so we could not even frick around.
I don't care to play competitively but the lack of jump momentum really kills the newer Smash games for me. That fundamental in platforming games is a huge litmus test for me on whether or not I'll keep on playing.
And they are not even small things to notice. How the frick can i dash with falcon at full speed, and then lose all my momentum when i jump? Its mind bogling.
is really not small things to notice, it makes a clear difference for bigger stages like Hyrule Temple
I also miss running through my opponents and perfect shielding
>4 onwards you could not tech above certain damage and they did not really even have momentum, so we could not even frick around.
I think in Ultimate they removed infinite teching
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>Smash's selling point is the characters
And the fact that it's an actually good game on top of that.
See: All the other shitty smash clones that hyped themselves up with characters/rosters and then promptly died off and were forgotten less than a month after release
Yeah, if the shonen jump anime shovelware games were as good we'd all be cooming buckets over Jump Allstars or the latest Clash of Ninja Storm Revolution Budokai Tenchaichi Dreams Adventure
This. When Project M overtook the actual series in popularity and people stopped buying the latest smash bros entry, I knew it was time for a change. It wasn't just a niche autists mod for FGC tourneys in basements anymore, it was the DEFINITIVE way to play smash bros
...wait what do you mean that has never happened?
Sorry for the huge text dump a very important reminder:
The Project M wasn't perfect and they leaned too heavily on 64/Melee moveset nods, but when they did venture out of that comfort zone, my god they had some good ideas, even beating official smash game with said ideas
>Gave Donkey Kong his DKC roll before official Smash did
>Gave Ganondorf some use for his sword before official Smash did
>Allowed Samus to charge her beam in midair TWO GAMES before official Smash did, plus gave her a Morph Ball crawl that she STILL doesn't officially have, side taunt also changes her beams from flame to ice and that affects some of her attacks
>Understood that FLUDD was dogshit before official Smash brought Dr. Mario back as the "classic" Mario
>Remembered that Wario Land was a thing and that the ground pound and arm bash is a staple Wario technique, whereas official Smash fricking REMOVED it in WiU and restored it as a crappy dash attack in Ultimate, Wario’s pummel Grab also has that Mario Up Special Coin effect for added personality
>Sonic isn't pigeon-holed into remaining the result of a last-minute addition like he still is in official Smash
>Made alt costumes a very common feature for fighters, something that official Smash only began to dabble with with Ultimate and secret variants selectable by holding the L or R buttons and pressing start to select a stage, PMEX expands on this concept with L-Loads that let you play as Bosses like Giga Bowser or Final Smashes like Super Sonic for fun casual messing around
>Giving Bowser a stage, holy smokes how does he not have one yet in official Smash, that section in the Paper Mario stage does not count and it never will, there’s also a Wario Land Stage based from Wario Land 2 in his flooded Castle.
>All Star Versus was a toggle option for special mode 2 games early before Squad Strike became a thing, nobody talks about Squad Strike probably because it came too late and you can’t even play that mode online.
Project M mogged them so bad especially compared to Smash 4 they had to lie to VG Bootcamp and Twitch just to get them to kill it. Frick them, frick those greedy buttholes for caving in and killing PM
how moronic are you to believe project m is more popular than brawl
I tried Project M a couple days ago. While it does improve 1v1 itemless it also fricking ruins 4 man ffa with items. The default game mode that everyone plays for fun. The game mode that is Smash's core identity. Imagine having some friends over and telling them that you can only play tryhard 1v1 3 stock final destination Fox itemless, because the autist modpack decimated the fun mode.
there is items though
however changing hyrule temple is a mortal sin, but it can be added anyways
what? PM has melee temple, it's on the second or third page of stages. or it requires holding a shoulder button, I forget since P+ has like over a hundred stages. what are you talking about?
Wtf are you talking about you fricking idiot? PM is an incredibly fun casual game and it even implemented Smashdown before actual Smash did. I literally only played it casually. You have all the same items and most of the wacky stages, plus more. Just with better physics and move sets.
This. We need a reboot with completely reworked fighters.
Reboot and new characters aren't mutually exclusive. I want them to do a reboot and revise movesets too but there would still be new characters in this hypothetical game, it's part of the draw of a new game entry.
>The last thing this series needs is more characters. they need to redesign existing characters to be more unique and deep.
Based, every character pre-smash 4 feels so outdated and that includes characters like Sonic, Ganondorf and some of the OG 12
I'm tired of people thinking that the four specials are the only moves characters have.
Its the only moves that do anything outside of a basic b***h kick/punch
I'm sorry that you have down syndrome.
I'm in your boat but I've started to think there's just issues with the way smash is designed fundamentally.
There's not really a lot of ways a move can be meaningfully different in smash compared to a traditional fighting game. Shields are very strong and block from all directions so you can't have high/low properties. Shielding opponents barely suffer blockpush from most attacks so you don't really see moves that are specifically good on block unless they're a shield-breaking move that has some kind of wicked trade-off. Slower heavier attacks are rarely put on characters who can set up into them.
Even within the possibilities of plat fighters Rivals of Aether, Slap City, NASB 2, Rushdown Revolt, Multiversus, and Project M all end up exploring more interesting things in their much smaller rosters than Ultimate did with almost 90.
It's why Ultimate is the worst in the franchise.
>Here's everything you already played with minimal changes from the last game!
>...New things? In your new game?
>Uuhhh, yeah sure man, just give us 3 years and another 60 dollars, we'll cook up something new.
"Everyone is here!" might have unironically killed the franchise if the next game follows suit.
Mii Gunner always struck me as an attempted second-try on Samus's moveset, if the charge shot/missile/bomb setup didn't already make it obvious
The 3ds transition bogged down many characters
Well Sakurai won't be around for the next game so I'm hopeful. Smash has been so stagnant for way too long and I hope whoever directs it next does try some new interesting things for the game.
he is semi-retired atleast
the worse thing he can do is keep hoarding dated stuff that should've changed a long time ago is Peach's B and cloned ganondorf
what annoys me the most is that HE DOES change stuff but is selective about
OFC one of the few things he changes is Yoshi being less of a dinosaur but kicking more
>Waluigi
>Cranky Kong
>Midna with Wolf Link
>Sylux
>Waddle Dee with an assortment of kirby themed weapons and cute food
>Blastoise because frick you Charizard
>Toothpaste chan
>Pic related
Waluigi
Dixie Kong
Skull Kid
Meta Ridley
Bandana Dee
Sceptile
[ ]
Louie
Geno
Funky Kong
Groose
Black guy from OtherM
Painter girl
Iron Valiant
LOL NO
nah
paper mario
dixie
tingle
raven beak
dark matter
grovyle
anna
louie
Captain Toad, Dixie Kong, Impa, Baby Metroid, Waddle Dee, Deoxys, Anna, Oatchi. Boring and a bit nonsense, but covers the bases.
add the cat boy from those metroid doujin
Geno
Dixie
Fix Ganondorf.
Fix Dark Samus.
Dark Matter
Grovyle (Mystery Dungeon)
remove characters
Louie
Actually reboot would be great, new movesets and all. Many characters were cobled together as clones (ganon, luigi) or did not have as much moves to utilized back in 64 or melee (mario, samus) and are still bland. They could do so much crazy shit.
Luigiis a mario clone in most of the Mario games. It is fine playing similar to Mario
Waluigi
Dixie
Midna
Idk Bamus?
Tiff from the Kirby anime
Meowth
Purple Marth idk
4 female player
Paper Mario
Dixie Kong
Midna
Raven Beak
Bandana Waddle Dee
Evee
Black Knight
Louie
as for other possible options without being too hipsterish
>Mario
Toad, Waluigi, Pauline(though can count for Donkey Kong too actually), Kamek
>DK
Cranky Kong, Funky Kong, Pauline, suprise no one ever mentions Lord Freidrick despite the massive villain boner that the smash community has
>Zelda
Tetra, Skullkid, Pig Ganon, Vaati, Rauru, Impa are also solid choices
>Metroid
EMMI, Sylux would be fine too, Dark Samus could use some major decloning along with Daisy and Ganondorf now that I think about it
>Kirby
plenty of solid other choices like Zelda with Magolor, Gooey, Dark Matter, Adeleine, Morpho/Galacta Knight, Suzie and such
>Pokemon
lots of potential but in the grand scheme Pokemon already has all it really needs with Pikachu, Trainer and Mewtwo tbqh, anyways other solid choices, Grovyle, Gengar, Garchomp, Gardovoire, Hisui Trainer, Team Rocket, Rayquaza and Zoroark, funny how is a lot of Gs
>Fire Emblem
as someone who is not into FE but knows what it is I always wonder why Lyn, Ephraim and Hector are so ignored despite perennially being popular
>Pikmin
I guess it could use a semi clone with their own Pikmins like Britanny and Rookie riding Oatchi would be neat
>suprise no one ever mentions Lord Freidrick despite the massive villain boner that the smash community has
I want him, but I don't want to forget Dixie Kong first. Ideally, Lord Fredrik would be in Ultimate after K. Rool and Ridley debuted in Brawl and Dixie popped up in Four. It sucks that DK and Zelda aren't able to be indulgent with their reps like FE gets to be.
nobody actually remembers or cares about tropical freeze
thats not true, Tropical Freeze elevated Cranky Kong and Dixie right round these part but oddly silent about Fredirik but as another anon said
is just that Dixie is overdue that a lot of people would like her first
>Lyn and Hector are so ignored despite perennially being popular
Only popular in the west, 7 is (rightfully) a very nothing game in Japan.
you're probably right
Lyn and Hector’s best chance was Brawl, same with Midna too
hey you could say that about K Rool and Melee in another timeline
but I doubt those 2 would be anywhere near as popular since FE doesn't have the scarcity factor
Midna can be since we are overdue for a Zelda newcomer likewise with DK and Metroid was
People love Tropical Freeze but not for the villians
>paper Mario
>cranky Kong
>majora mask young Link. Instead of playing as “him” you’d turn into his different forms from majora Mask like deku Link goron Link Zoe’s Link and they’d all have their own separate attacks sort. He’d be similar to Pokemon trainer.
>idk...metal Ridley?
>waddle dee.”not bandana dee” he could use the umbrella attack. Spears, minecarts that would act like bowser jars clown car, his final smash could be him turning into waddle doo like in Kirby 64
>meowth
>idk...
>oatchi
Pauline
Cranky
Impa
Raven Beak
Magolor
Gen 3 pkm trainer
Alear
Louie
Hammer Bro
Funky Kong
Any of the champions or Tetra
The other bounty hunters could work, preferably Sylux
Bandanna Waddle Dee or Rick
Urshifu
Alear, Timerra if we're allowed to expand beyond sword lords
Oatchi or Louie
>Waluigi (honestly don't care)
>Dixie/funky/cranky
>Impa (either her HW or as AoC)
>Raven beak, Sylux or Rundas
>Waddle dee or Magolor
>Bleh
>Leif but uses all weapons
>The Explorer from Pikmin 4 but uses mainly Oatchi instead of pikmins.
>Leif but uses all weapons
only good post in this thread
None of those series have any characters worth adding at this point. At best you might replace Lucina/Chrom with dedicated Spear and Bow users. Not for the sake of relevance but for moveset variety.
>None of those series have any characters worth adding at this point
Because...? And not liking them or muh gameplay isn't an excuse.
Kamek or Captain Toad
Dixie
Any of the 4 BOTW guardian.
Just rework Dark Samus into a real character.
Waddle Dee Bandana Edition
Gengar or Garchomp
Thorr or Fjorm
Solo Purple Pikmin
Dry bones bowser
Funky kong
Impa (hyrule warriors)
Metroid samus (think pichu, but deals and receives more damage)
Kirby 64 (looks like 64 render, with abilities from the game; unable to copy abilities
Mew
Don't know about FE to weigh in, and there's enough as is
Not familiar with Pikmin enough to weigh in, but another rep couldn't hurt
>Mario
Paper Mario
>DK
Funky
>Zelda
Ravio
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Galacta Knight
>Pokemon
Infernape
>FE
Ephraim
>Pikmin
idk
Waluigi
Dixie Kong
Midna
Raven Beak
Magalor
Bisharp
Lyn
Oatchi
easy Black person
>Mario
Toad, genuinely a hugely iconic character left out thus far
>DK
I think these bases are covered and Dixie is way overblown as a missing piece. I would just go Cranky for moveset variety and arcade DK references
>Zelda
Rauru can be used as a way to get a ToTK Link moveset. Honestly the justification for not giving non-triforce characters slots based on them predominantly being one-off supporting characters is stupid. These supporting characters are more popular and unique than anything FE has ever offered
>Metroid
Raven Beak gives us an easy new addition with a cool design. An actual Metroid that evolves as it fights would also be cool.
>Kirby
Dee, kind of easy. But They really should spice up the potential spear moveset with other Waddle Dee and Kirby enemy stuff
>Pokémon
Idk they'll just go with the latest thing. I'd pick Mimikyu or Gengar for the sake of a more clearly villainous rep
>FE
Tiki. Give us an actual dragon
>Pikmin
Oatchi. No need for Rookie unless you can implement an actual split up mechanic. I would love a character representing the fauna of the series but Oatchi is still great
>These supporting characters are more popular and unique than anything FE has ever offered
not to mention a sometimes the companions are pretty much Co-Main Characters like Midna who pretty much is the proganonist of Twilight Princess and King of The Red Lions is also a co-main in the adventure
Its Louie time.
>Mario Bros
Waluigi
>Donkey Kong
Cranky
>Zelda
Groose
>Metroid
Sylux or Trace
>Kirby
Can't even think of one worth it besides what we have
>Pokemon
Raichu
>Fire Emblem
Black Knight
>Pikmin
Can't think of any
>Sylux or Trace
NO
WEAVLE
>Mario
Pauline
>Donkey Kong
Cranky or Dixie Kong
>Zelda
Impa
>Metroid
Sylux
>Kirby
Huh?
>Pokemon
Huh?
>Fire Emblem
Huh?
>Pikmin
New Captain from Pikmin 4 with different Pikmin type
Realistic choices:
>Mario
Paper Mario. Maybe Nabbit as a left field character.
>DK
Funky maybe? There’s no one interesting left.
>zelda
Skull kid
>metroid
There’s no one left.
>kirby
Marx.
>pokemon
Some legendary pokemon, preferably not YET ANOTHER bipedal pokemon.
>fire emblem
FRICKING NO ONE.
>Pikmin
Louie or Rookie & Oatchi. Both would be great. You could even have Louie & Moss as an alt costume for Rookie & Oatchi.
>Pauline
>Dixie Kong
>Urbosa
>Sylux
>Adeleine
>Meowscarada
>Lyn
>Oatchi
>Waluigi
>Dixie Kong
>Sidon
>No idea
>Bandanna Dee
>Meowscandra
>lol no
>Louie
Made this a while ago but here’s my take on it, others can join on this too:
Birdo
Dixie Kong
Midna
Shy Guy
Raven Beak
Marx
Krystal
Eevee
Kumatora
Black Shadow
Lyn
Medusa
Ashley
Raiden
Amy
Alph
Tom Nook
Roll
Elma
Chun Li
Cecil Harvey
Rodin
Octoling
Maria
Yu
Slime
Tootie
Mai Shiranui
Lola Pop
Slime
Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club)
Sandbag
Andy (Advance Wars)
Arle (Puyo Puyo)
Mario - Paper Mario
DK - Dixie Kong
Zelda - Midna
Metroid -Raven Beak
Baby Mario & Luigi(Superstar Saga style duo)
Kirby - Bandana Waddle Dee
Star Fox -Andross
Pokemon - Evee
Earthbound - Ninten
F-Zero - Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem - Lyn
Warioware - Ashley
Metal Gear - Raiden
Sonic - Metal Sonic
Pikmin - Louie
Animal Crossing - Tom Nook
Megaman - Zero
Xenoblade - Elma
Street Fighter - M Bison
Final Fantasy - Black Mage
Bayonetta - Ceraza & Cheshire
Splatoon - Callie & Marie
Castlevania - Soma Cruz
SMT - Jack Frost
Dragon Quest - Slime
Banjo Kazooie - Gruntilda
KoF - Geese Howard
ARMS - Twintelle
Minecraft - idk
Retro - Balloon Fighter
Smash Bros - Master Hand in fighter form
New Series - Isaac (Goldensun)
He's in
>Mario
Polterpup
>DK
Cranky
>Zelda
Tulin or Revali
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Waddle Dee
>Pokemon
None
>FE
Lol
>Pikmin
Maybe Oatchi
better question is who can Wario, Yoshi, F-Zero, Sonic, Star Fox and Earthbound add?
>Wario: Captain Syrup, Jimmy T, Ashley
>Yoshi: Poochy, Raphael
>F-Zero: Samurai Goroh, The Skull, Black Shadow
>Sonic: Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman
>Star Fox: Miyu, Krystal, Panther
>Earthbound: Gigyas, Pokey, Masked Man
Most of them don’t deserve anyone new. That’s not a better question.
>Captain Syrup
>Super Dragon Yoshi
>Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow
>Tails
>Krystal
>Ninten
>Wario
Any Warioware rep, preferably Ashley, Mona or Kat & Ana (as Icies replacements if they don’t get in or echoes of them) or Captain Syrup
>Yoshi
Kamek, he deserves it and even got a big role in the Mario Movie, also more villains
>F-Zero
Either Black Shadow as a Villain or Samurai Goroh as the Rival like Wolf to Fox
>Starfox
Krystal obviously or do what Remix 64 did and give us Peppy and Slippy they are insanely fun for clones and are executed properly
>Earthbound
Porky or Ninten but I’d rather have both
>Sonic
Eggman really does feel like that one last iconic villain missing after Sephiroth but if I had my way I’d choose Amy.
Paula for SMAAASSSH!
She uses a Teddy Bear for some moves and shielding too
https://twitter.com/megatonslater/status/1742883907303862362?s=46
I never considered using her teddy as a mechanic. I'm ashamed to call myself a Paula fan.
One of the best things about Ultimate is giving characters new official models, still sucks about no Duster in Lucas Final Smash.
Paula's face looks weird
It's a recreation of her clay model, they're supposed to be covered with lipstick.
>Wario
Most likely Ashley, she seems the most popular WarioWare character. Wario Land is forgotten.
>Yoshi
Kamek, he's the only option that could make sense as a "Yoshi" character specifically.
>F-Zero
Black Shadow
>Sonic
Eggman
>Star Fox
Krystal
>Earthbound
Porky
>Wario
Ashley, obviously.
>Yoshi
Poochy or alternatively Birdo maybe.
>F-Zero
Black Shadow
>Sonic
Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, it'd be really easy to add any of them.
>Star Fox
Krystal
>Earthbound
Porky
also thanks for updating your img
Sonic is due several characters, but it seems like Saku doesng respect the franchise enough. People ask for Eggman a lot lately, but I'd rather get Tails and Knuckles first. They would fit like a glove in Smash
Yoshi doesn’t deserve another pick. His series is just a spin-off of Mario and unlike DK it doesn’t have its own cast and identity separate from Mario.
Kamek
Practically a Mario character, but the only actual good pick
Poochy
Poochy has no moveset potential, otherwise he would make sense.
piranha plant tho
>tho
Has moveset potential from across all the variants
you can bullshit a Poochy moveset like you can bullshit Piranha Plant let alone Rosalina
>Make him Yarn Poochy
>Now he can you a yarn rope as an appendage
>he can use yarn balls
>he can use yarn transformation akin to Kirby's Epic Yarn and Yoshi Wooly World
>use the chain chomp boulders for stage control utility like Pac-Man's hydrants
now is it really worth it for Poochy? I wouldn't say so myself but I think he can be fun if given the choice
>entire fanbase collectively sighs, asking what the frick this baby shit is, and asking where the COOL characters are.
moot point, smashies complain about literally anything
Ok
Fox isn't that much of an asspull with Star Fox 64 having on foot multiplayer
You dilute your argument by adding characters in there that shouldn't be.
>Wolf and Falco didn't actually make anything new. Hell, for the one thing they SHOULD have made new (Landmaster Final Smash), they didn't, simply because they don't need originality, just change some numbers around.
>Wii Fit Trainer snaps into well defined yoga/stretch poses for every single attack. Not saying it's not creative, but it's based on something to be sure.
>Game and Watch absolutely is based on the game and watch games, why is he front and center?
The point wasn’t that the characters LITERALLY have no moveset potential, its pointing out that morons who say “le no moveset potential” or that characters shouldn't be added because “the existing character already did everything worthwhile” are lacking in any critical and creative thinking. Literal NPCs.
I liked Bandit a lot in the original game. Theycould have made that character more important since it is quite unique there, but it has mostly been abandoned
>Wario
Captain Syrup if Nintendo ever bothers reviving Wario Land
>Yoshi
Pretty much all of his good choices are Mario characters anyway
>F-Zero
Nobody actually wants an F-Zero character (besides people wanting to off-load Ganon's moveset)
>Sonic
Third Party
>Star Fox
Can't stop wanking off 64
>Earthbound
It's creator literally said the series was over.
Waluigi
Kamek
Black Shadow
Tails
Krystal
Ninten
Ashley, Birdo, Samurai Goroh, Eggman, Krystal, Porky
>Wario: Jimmy T. or Mona
>Yoshi: Kamek
>F-Zero: Black Shadow
>Sonic: EGGMAN FOR FRICKS SAKE
>Star Fox: Krystal or Slippy
>Earthbound: Porky
Maybe Sonic can have Eggman.
As for the others, nobody because those series are dead or don't have any interesting or worthwhile characters left.
>I am an NPC that has no ability for creative thinking whatsoever.
Would have been easier if you just said that. Less typing involved.
Black Shadow as the fastest heavyweight who can also hover around like Peach. Blood Falcon as an echo. Pico as a sniping-focused character who can also do spin attacks with his shell that behave like the bumper items.
I want the new Wario rep to be Princess Shokora with a mix of Wario's actual Wario Land moves and the transformations/items she had as Princess Game & Watch.
Pauline, Dixie, Impa (Age Calamity sexo version), Raven Beak, Magolor, Iron Valiant, Hector or Dimitri, literally who cares about pikmin reps, they'd all play the same
What is up with the sudden uptick in theorical rostergay threads?
Smash series is turning 25 and rumors of an announcement are surfacing
Wanna talk about any other games here anon?
Shy Guy
Dixie
Skull Kid
Raven Beak
Waddle Dee
Gen 2 Pokémon Trainer
>Another fricking Fire Emblem character
>Pikmin
>Pauline
>Stanley
>Impa
>Ravenbeak
>Daroach
>Quaquaval
>Hector
>Louie
>Mario
King Boo
>Donkey Kong
Funky Kong
>Zelda
Tingle
>Metroid
Ravenbeak
>Kirby
Marx
>Pokemon
Tinkaton
>Fire Emblem
lmao
>Pikmin
Lisa & Oatchi
she's in
>Waluigi
>Lord Frederik
>Vaati or zant or Majora (literally any villain will do)
>Raven Beak
>Susie
>Regigas (they need a heavyweight not glued to Pokémon trainer)
>i don’t give a shit uh…. Add the black knight guy
>Oatchi or a bulborb
Waluigi
Cranky
Impa
Sylux
Bandana Waddle Dee
The Duck from the newest pokemon
Alear
Oatchi
>Mario
Waluigi
>DK
Cranky Kong or Funky Kong
>Zelda
Moblin/Pig Ganon
>Metroid
birb daddy
>Kirby
Anyone but hat goomba
>Pokemon
Metapod for the lulz
>Fire Emblem
frick off
>Pikmin
We already have pretty much all the major characters here
>Pikmin
We already have pretty much all the major characters here
we literally only have one…?
All the other captains aren't different enough to get their own character slots, hence alt costumes
thats bullshit when theres like 4 marths in the game
you can easily make them semi-clones with their own sets of Pikmins
I dont want 4 Marths in the game, and as much as I love Pikmin we dont need 3 deltas of Olimar.
I didn't say 3 Olimar I wasn't the anon you was replying to
Ideally I would say
>Olimar, simplified with just red, yellow and blue pikmin
>Louie, uses wilder pikmins like white, bulmins and purple and sometimes bugs too, another thing is that his pikmins would act independently as a character trait of Louie being less of a leader so by proxy he is more of a trap/puppet character
>Oatchi & Rookie Captain, fights more independently with Oatchi's nature but still uses other pikmins, I would like if their side be is a zerg rush tackle that leaves 3 pikmins latched at once but charges over time like Wario waft to do that
thats is a popular idea for Louie to use his own set of Pikmins
No, I mean by himself.
The popular idea for Louie is to not use Pikmin at all
I never seen Louie on his own without using pikmins and of bugs
Louie is only ever brought up to be a fighter with movesets without using Pikmin. How did you manage to miss them all?
Doubling down on a problem but with a new twist doesn't make it go away. If you really want a new Pikmin rep, ask for Louie, since if anyone could hold his own, it's him.
There are three separate movesets in this very thread for Louie alone
>no starfox
frick you there's your answer
There should be at least one FE villain
No nu emblem dogshit
All third parties get one more character. Who comes in?
>goomba
>dixie kong
>tinkle
>lol
>lol
>lol
>lol
>bulborb
Pikmin deserves more than one new rep.
I cant picture how Louie, Brittany/Charlie, a Rescue Corp member or a leafling would play any different. Maybe they pull different Pikmin types in their rotation
>Geno
>Dixie Kong
>Tingle
>Raven Beak
>Magolor
>Grovyle
>Hector
>Oatchi
I'm tired of 3rd Parties that have nothing to do with Nintendo, don't get me wrong some are cool as guests
like Snake and Terry I just prefer if they would have actual Nintendo adjacency like take Leon Kennedy for example, he debuted in Playtstation game but he starred in a premier Gamecube game with RE4 so I would be fine with him 100%
it can't be helped that more original content were made in the golden age of videogames rather than milk whats tried and true
I found another list like this, are you the creator and did you update it?
I’d say add Mike Jones from Startropics to NES and Samurai Goroh to Super Famicom as well I’m liking this candidates list for the most part
>are you the creator and did you update it?
yes, theres a a lot fit NES, might just shink them
Bigger
I'm proud of the fact I can recognize pretty much everyone here but what the frick is that between Dimentio, and de Blob
the spider from Deadly Creatures, is an obscure Wii game where you play as a Spider and a Scorpion, is narrated by Billy Bob Thornton too
Of all the fricking characters to say that about you chose fricking LEON?
whats wrong with Leon?
He has next to nothing to do with nintendo? Him being in one random gamecube game doesn’t make him a fricking Nintendo icon third party.
thats how you feel, out of all RE character I say he has the most significance to Nintendo
due to starring in RE4, next to him is probably Jill for REmake on GC and Revelations on 3DS
also, RE4 is not a random game, come on
>Steve
he can go, Minecraft is gay
>Kazuya
I like him but he can go, should've been Nightmare instead to return the favor of Link visiting Soul Calibur 2, theres also Yoshimitsu, however as much as it used to be mentioned that he is 2 birds in 1 stone being both a Tekken and Soulcal guy, he isn't much of a star of either series, then theres Ivy and Voldo but Smash is for good boys and girls so I guess Kilik is a suitable option
>Cloud and Sephiroph
they both can go, never should've been here
>Joker
he can go, never should've come here
>Bayonetta
she can stay, she pretty much is a Nintendo character now after 2, 3 and Origins
>Richter
he can go if not for being a glorified alt costume
>Terry
I like him but he can go
>Sonic
he can stay, is pretty much honorary Nintendo with all the times he had premier(ish) games on Ninty system like Adventure 2, Heroes and Sonic Rush, his history as a rival to Mario is cool too
>Snake
I like him but he can go
>Ryu and Ken
honestly always found his inclusion annoying since Capcom couldn't just let Megaman have his moment but I get it, still they can go
>Pac-Man
he can stay for similar reasons as Sonic
>other
>sora
Like half of KH as a series was exclusive to Nintendo handhelds for years you fricking moron. Re:Coded and Days are still only playable on DS.
are you illiterate? is about debuts, Sora debuted on Playstation 2
I thought it was about how many games each character had on each Nintendo system when they were revealed for Smash, my mistake.
Given how succesfull the Switch has been, a lot of the new character should come from it:
Elfilin, Oatchie, Ravenbeak, Ring Fit, Raymond (AC), Pearl/Marina, Polterpup, Rauru, Koraidon etc...
Waluigi
Dixie Kong
Tetra
Raven beak
Marx
Dewott
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Louie
>Mario
Paper Mario (FRICK Waluigi)
>Donkey Kong
Dixie
>Zelda
Ghirahim
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Adeline
>Pokemon
Gardevoir for that lost Gen 3 rep
>Fire Emblem
Lyn
>Pikmin
Water Wraith
>Waluigi
>DK Junior
>Skull Kid
>Sylux
>either Marx or Madeleine, not sure
>Deoxys
>remove all fire emblem characters
>who could you possibly even add from pikmin? idk, a bulborb or something that calls other bulborbs?
Toad
Dixie
Tingle
One of the hunters from that DS game
Marx
Ogrepon
Anna and replace Byleth with Edelgard so FE finally has a villain rep
Louie
Mario: Toad
DK: Dixie Kong
Zelda: Toon Zelda
Metroid: Raven Beak
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Fire Emblem: Sigurd
Pikmin: Oatchi
He's in
Waluigi, Cranky Kong, Fierce Deity Link, one of the hunters from metroid prime hunters, Galacta Knight, Deoxys, Dimitri, i know nothing about Pikmin so i will say Pik-man.
elephant peach
dixie
sidon
kraid
lol
no more pokeshit please
no more fire emblem shit please
pikmin is irrelevant
Kamek
Funky Kong
Impa
Raven Beak
Dont know enough Kirby. Perhaps Marx?
Eevee
Hector
Louie, King of Bugs
He's in
>Mario
Waluigi or, if we're counting third parties, Geno
>DK
Dixie Kong or Funky Kong
>Zelda
Midna
>Metroid
Raven Beak or Sylux
>Kirby
Bandana Waddle Dee, Magalor or Marx
>Pokemon
Genesect or, if we need to add one for advertising purposes, Ogerpon
>Fire Emblem
Lyn or Hector, frick the generic avatar characters
>Pikmin
Oatchi or Louie
Count Bleck
Dixie
Impa from AoC
That shit has no other big characters
Clawroline
Infernape
Eirika
The trailer girl from Pikmin 4
Dunno about all of them, but here's the most likely non-3rd party newcomers.
- Toad/Toadette: Major Nintendo icon, heavily used in advertising, was in movie, and playable/large role in every mainline Mario title.
- Dixie Kong: MC of one of the greatest 2D platformers of all time, appears in Mario spinoffs, and promoted in the Super Nintendo World theme park.
- Eevee: Pikachu's Luigi and the secondary mascot to the entire Pokemon franchise.
- Oatchi/Moss: Central character/gameplay of the latest Pikmin title.
- FE Engage MC (dunno the name, lol) - Sakurai loves Fire Emblem.
yeah all seem more likely
will say Bandana Waddle Dee for Kirby on the basis that he is consistently the forefront
>RtDL
>Rainbow Curse
>Fighters 2
>Battle Royale
>Forgotten Land
still has a bit of a role in but not as much
>SS Ultra
>Star Allies
>Triple Deluxe
I think Robobot and Dream Buffet too but I don't remember
>Captain Toad
>Funky
>Twili Midna
>A literal Metroid
>Adeleine
>Empoleon
>Sigurd
Any objections?
(FE and Pokemon are whatever)
Louie and moss would be an excellent choice to appease both Louie and oatchi fans
>Waluigi
he is fine but has a lot of competition with Toad, Paper Mario, Pauline, King Boo and as much I hate to say it Geno(when it should be Fawful) too
>Dixie
she's definitely next even though there is still Cranky and Funky and Fredirik
>Impa
no complaint, she can easily replace Sheik but it kinda could be underwhelming to some to have another Ninja after Sheik after all this time without a Zelda newcomer but is not Impa's fault, fine with her personally, also has lots of competition with the likes of Midna, Skullkid and Rauru
>Ravenbeak
great, definitely better than Sylux imo
>Marx
eh, he can stay as a boss since we don't have too many of those, I think BanDee, Magolor and Gooey are better fighter candidates, after all they were in Kirby Fighters 2
>Tinkaton
I don't care for nuPokemon but I will say that I really rather see more Pokemon bosses like Giratina, Regigias and Kyurem and such, but I digress, Tinkaton is definitely one of the better nuPokemons
>Alear
ew, WOAT design, pls give me Lyn or Black Knight instead, or even Edelgard despite having Byleth already
>Louie and Moss
kinda makes for a good 2 birds one stone deal with both a villain and a central new mechanic of Pikmin 4
Mario: Wart
DK: Funky Kong
Zelda: Nabooru / Saria / Darunia or Ruto depending on which type of combatant they need
Metroid: It's okay as it is.
Kirby: Don't know
Pokémon: Gardevoir or Sceptile.
Fire Emblem: There are enough sworddudes already
Flower: Don't know
>Wart
my homie
reminder that spring man was robbed
Nah, Min-Min earned it.
it's like if they put chun-li in over ryu
And Chun-Li's more popular than Ryu, so that makes sense.
coomers are a plague
I would take Chun-Li over Ryu, Ryu is in everything he can be so I'm so sick of seeing him
Ryu is boring though
Why does she have a hole on her armpit
it's the dragons cloaca
>Paper Mario as a Doc replacement or Wart
>Cranky
>Ganon
>Bird Virgil
>Gooey/Animal Friends
>Gengar
>Lyn
>Oatchi and the P4 captain as a heavy weight
Nabbit
Classic DK
Tingle
That robot from the dread trailer
Magalor
Pokémon Trainer from a different region
Idk there was a guy who threw axes in the gba fire emblem so him i guess
A Bulborb
Waluigi
Cranky Kong
Groose
Adam
Magalor
Ogerpon
Toothpaste
Moss
Fawful
Lord Fredrik
Tingle
Raven Beak
Ado
PMD2 Grovyle
Hector
and frick Pikmin add Dillon instead
>frick Pikmin add Dillon instead
Return to reddit, now.
Pikmin doesn't have any more characters worth adding and Dillon is an S tier series.
Pikmin has plenty. Dillon himself is not a character worth adding. Sonic is already in the game.
Dillon shares absolutely nothing with sonic aside from the very concept of rolling, which you literally only do in the game to go fast. Dillon's main attacks are claw slashes.
>Dillon himself is not a character worth adding. Sonic is already in the game
you have literally never played a dillon game
And you have literally never played a Pikmin game.
Smashbabies only knows 8 of the 1000+ Fire Emblem characters, so that question makes no sense
Name 3 F-Zero Characters that are not Captain Falcon, Dr. Stewart, Pico and Samurai Goroh.
James McCloud, Mr. EAD, Blood Falcon.
Off the top of my head
Jodie Summers, the Skull, Deathborne, Black Shadow, Zoda
Phoenix, The Skull, Octoman
Mighty Gazelle, The Skull, Octoman
Blood Falcon, The Skull, Black Shadow.
>Add thread
>Kirby suggestions are a healthy mix of characters, even the Deebros are suggesting others along side
>Cutgay thread
>hat goombagays posting the worst cutgay rosters imaginable and listening to moronic youtubers
Really makes you think
thread
>>hat goombagays posting the worst cutgay rosters imaginable and listening to moronic youtubers
I didn't do any of that, what one YTgay cutting metaknight is moronic
rosters focusing on cutting are always absolute garbage, see pic related (made by a phone user no less) for a perfect example
actually randomly stumbled about the guy who made that Youtube video on it
to know surprise he sounded underage
Who would be the Rashid and A.K.I of Smash?
In a limited 18 character roster with just one guy per series I say it could be
>Mario (Mario)
>Wario (Warioware)
>Donkey Kong (DK)
>Samus (Metroid)
>Link (Zelda)
>Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
>Inkling (Splatoon)
>Captain Falcon (F-Zero)
>Min Min(Arms)
>Olimar (Pikmin)
>Pikachu (Pokemon)
>Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade) so theres boobs
>Black Knight (Fire Emblem) so theres a bad guy
>Little Mac (Punchout)
>Alice (Balloon Kid)
>Isaac (Goldensun)
>Sami (Advance Wars)
>Bayonetta
A roster that only has 18 fighters but includes shit like ARMS would be a disaster
ARMS is fine to me, suggest a better series for your liking if you wish
>18
it would be 25 for the 25th anniversary.
>Mario
>Yoshi
>DK
>Link
>Samus
>Kirby
>Fox
>Pikachu
>Luigi
>Jigglypuff
>Captain Falcon
>Ness
>Marth
>Zelda (separate from sheik)
>Sheik (separate from zelda)
>Mewtwo
>Peach
>King Dedede
>Charizard (no swapping)
>ROB
>Wario
>Pit
>Villager
>Olimar
>Inkling
there's your roster.
If Kirby were to get an echo I’d love Galacta Knight he’s the coolest looking Kirby character in my honest opinion
I am forever disappointed that Galacta Knight's theme isn't in the game
for me ideally he is a platforming boss like Giga Bowser but to warrant his boss status he has screen clearing moves and an infinite recovery
and both can be playable but obviously too broken to be on the main roster
Mario: Idk/c
DK: Dixie
Zelda: Trident Pig Ganon
Metroid: Raven Beak
Kirby: Gooey
Pokemon: Machamp
Fire Emblem: Anyone without a sword
Pikmin: Dog
Waluigi, Lanky, Midna, Raven Beak, Bandee, Sirfetch'd, Anna, there are no good picks for Pikmin.
Waluigi
Funky kong
Ghirahim
Dark samus but with a unique moveset
That princess from kirby 64 that gets posted here
Pokemon Rival (its pokemon trainer but all the costumes are based on different rivals such as gary or wally, team is mudkip, grovile and blaziken)
Idc about fire emblem or pikmin
i don't get the hate for ARMS
Personally I'm much more offended by the fact that the game itself is bad rather than the fact that it has a character in Smash Bros.
NTA but it just screams Base Roster addition and as much as I love Min Min, opening up FP2 with her wasn’t the smartest of ideas since they literally gave you the option of buying the whole pass, if the next game gets DLC it needs to straight up tell you how many 1st and 3rd Parties will be in said pass. Not everyone will like the mystery shit.
>it needs to straight up tell you how many 1st and 3rd Parties will be in said pass
1st party vs 3rd party isn't really the problem, its the scraping of the barrel that 1st party needs to do to get something that'd be exciting enough to market as DLC, vs 3rd party.
Think of the normalgays, and how they'd want something COOL
tl;dr, add Raven Beak
Tourneygays, that's it, just have a mexican guy play any character and it'll be loved, look at Byleth and Corrin
>Waluigi
>Cranky Kong
>Master Kohga
>Raven Beak
>Bandana Dee
>Doesn’t deserve a new rep
>Doesn’t need a new rep
>What would they even do that isn’t just Olimar but slightly different
don't care
don't care
Impa (HW1)
Sylux
don't care
don't care
don't care
don't care
They should just give Impa Sheik's move set and improve on it simply because its kind of odd to keep Shiek around at this point out of all the possibilities available. Impa fits the part more than Zelda who is mostly disguised as a Sheikah. Regardless, they are just ninjas and thats pretty boring in itself without the magic.
nope, sorry, can't agree. impa uses a big ass sword and shiek is my main and also a smash staple at this point.
they should if anything revamp sheik to better match her actual concept in OOT as a musician
> impa uses a big ass sword
In one Warriors game.
hence why i specified Impa (HW1)
any other version would be a waste
>b-buh my paya clone!
>my paya clone
but thats a positive, being able to interchange into other characters is awesome
works for Bowser Jr and Hero, you get like 3 extra waifus in the roster FOR FREE
Hyrule Warriors Sheik Moveset I’d love
waluigi
funky
impa
some high ranking space pirate or raven beak. maybe one of the hunters from prime series if 4 ever comes out and they're involved
magalor or bandana dee
who cares the pokemon additions are just advertisements for new games
who cares the FE additions are just advertisements for new games
louie as an echo who has different pikmin types than olimar but otherwise similar moveset
>Mario
Geno
>DK
Cranky
>Zelda
Impa (OoT or AoC)
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Marx
>Pokemon
Don't care. Machamp?
>FE
The summoner from the mobile game (Could have a pokemon trainer gimmick to reduce the total number of FE reps)
>Pikmin
Louie (could use enemies from Pikmin instead of the pikmin themselves)
>Waluigi
>Dixie Kong
>Tetra
>Raven Beak
>Bandanna Dee
>Meowscarada
>Black Knight
>Rookie & Oatchi
>Mario
Captain Toad
>DK
Change Diddy to be the Diddy/Dixie Zelda/Shiek idea that was cut from Brawl.
>Zelda
There's not really anyone good to add. I guess a split out Link into a dedicated BotW Link and TP Link? Give BotW Link the paraglider or something and give TP Link his Brawl/Smash 4 moveset.
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Doesn't really need a new character, but Bandana Waddle Dee should be an assist trophy over Chef Kawasaki.
>Pokemon
Urshifu
>FE
Alear
>Pikmin
Oatchi
Toad, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Anthony Higgs, Bandana Waddle Dee, Blaizken, Edelgard, Louie
I would love AoC Impa just so she can have a Purah alt costume ala Koopalings and Hero and play as BEST GIRL instead
indeed, you have to be insane to suggest keeping Boring Old Sheik over the BOTW Sheikah girls
yeah Sheikah's in general were pretty important to the BoTW trilogy so if anyone can represent that ideally it would be AoC Impa/Paya/Purah in a all in one character like Hero and The Koopalings
124yrs old btw
>so many seething fire emblem haters kek
Add either Micaiah, Grail, Naesala or Azura and I'm happy
>Literally who?
>Literally who?
>Literally who?
>Literally who?
Where the frick are the new Spirits, I thought we were having four events in January.
>Mario: Waluigi
>DK: Dixie
>Metroid: Raven Beak
>Kirby: Bandana Waddke Dee
>Pokémon: Pikachu Libre
>Zelda: Impa
>FE: Black Knight
Waluigi or Shyguy
Lanky Kong
Dead Hang + Bongo Bongo stage
Whatever
Marx obviously or a Galacta Knight alt for Meta Knight
Red's already in so whatever, there's already too many Pokes in
Couldn't give less fricks, already way too many gay Emblem characters
What's that one, Pikmin? Olimar's the only character really worth adding and the monsters would just be too weird.
Waluigi
Lanky Kong
Darunia
SA-X
Waddle Dee/Waddle Doo tag fighter like pythra
Tyranitar
Black Knight
Louie
Tyranitar would make the coolest fighter of these imo, maybe a heavyweight zoner with stealth rocks to setup combos and sandstorm to cause chip (but no hitstun) in a large area, controlling movement
uh these I guess
Waluigi
Funky Kong
Tetra
Johto Trainer - Totodile/Bayleef/Typhosion
frick the other series
unironically waluigi
funky kong
either toon zelda/tetra or MM link (switches between deku goron and zora mask like pokemon trainer)
i dunno, maybe one of the robots from dread?
waddle dee
deoxys
eliwood, but in exchange remove the last 3 FE characters they put in
the dog thing from the new game i guess
>eliwood, but in exchange remove the last 3 FE characters they put in
In what world is Roy's dad a better option than the guy with 4 weapons, the guy who transforms into a dragon, or the durability-based spellcaster
(Me)
I forgot Eliwood promotes into a rider class, nevermind have a nice day
The REAL choice for Mario
>Ugly Green Bean
Absolutely awful
I want new characters less than I want the 17 gazillion unnecessary sword fighters deported, yes im looking at all the twitter soragays who dont even play him and just wanted him to be in le vidya hall of fame.
>Theres a timeline where they managed to get Doomguy in as the final fighter from late stage demands, after Disney said no to Sora
hall of fame is a mistake
is stupid to have that in a game that is exclusive to one platform
it only makes sense to have it on the only systems with exclusive games
this
neither sony or microsoft would give enough of a shit to try to do that themselves like Nintendo has
thats exactly why is not necessary for Smash to go that route
I misread the post nvrmind
>Super Mario
Toad
>DK
Dixie Kong
>The Legend of Zelda
Impa (Hyrule Warriors/AoC)
>Metroid
Raven Beak cause he looks frickin sick
>Kirby
Dark Matter
>Pokemon
Mother Beast Lusamine would break the mold
>Fire Emblem
nothing, at gunpoint I would probably say Tiki
>Pikmin
Louie, cause that dog thing looks like shit
Evee would break the mold with a Pokemon that evolves mid battle
an evolving gimmick would be an interesting take on the comeback gimmick
make it like a mix of having an echo to switch to plus the Shulk Monado Arts
Evee
>B - Swift (Projectile)
>Side B - Takedown (Rush)
>Up B - Double Edge (Rise)
>Down B - Sand Attaack (AOE)
they will all havee the same kind of specials but with different properties
Vaporeon(survivability boost)
>B - Water Pulse
>Side B - Chilling Water
>Up B - Flip Turn
>Down B - Aqua Ring
Jolteon(Speed Boost)
>B - Pin Missile
>Side B - Thunder Fang
>Up B - Volt Switch
>Down B - Discharge
Flareon(Smash Boost)
>B - Heat Wave
>Side B - Fire Fang
>Up B - Flame Charge
>Down B - Lava Plume
Espeon(Grab and Special Boost)
>B - Psybeam
>Side B - Psychic Fangs
>Up B - Zen Headbutt
>Down B - Psychic
Umbreon(Shield Boost)
>B - Dark Pulse
>Side B -Crunch
>Up B - Lashout
>Down B - Snarl
waluigi, funky kong, tingle, bandana dee, mimikyu, FE has enough reps, louie
Toadsworth somehow
Any 64 Kong
Tingle
idk
Spinni
Golurk
Generic Lancer Unit
Plasm Wraith
Based Plasm Wraith enjoyer.
any more of these?
nta but if you are looking for some moveset ideas in general rather than Pikmin
the template
Sí
>Mario
I would say waluigi, but I'm gonna say Paper Mario / "Mario & Luigi" instead
>DK
Funky monky
>Zelda
Pig Ganon (featuring trident. spinning it as a continuous move in some way). Or tingle for the meme
>Metroid
Raven beak / Trace
Dunno really, Marx?
>Pokemon
Gholdengo / Tinkaton
>Fire Emblem
Realistically it'd be (INSERT LATEST / UPCOMING LORD) But barring that, I like Arthur, but a luck-based character would probably be DOA. Maybe donnel / mozu as meme characters that start weak but get stronger if they stay alive longer
>Pikmin
Louie + titan dweevil using moveset
Kamek
Funky Kong
Wolf Link & Midna
Raven Beak
Bandana Dee
Hawlucha
Frick off, remove some
Louie
>Midna is suddenly as popular if not more popular than Skullkid
thats a surprise but then again not really, Ganker has always loved Midna among Zelda character and as mentioned she is a co-main character of her game
With each day more respectable young men allow themselves to become wretched coomers.
thats not fair, how can you like a female character without being a coomer?
By not wanting her added because you want to frick her.
Skull Kid has low raw moveset potential, too. They'd have to come up with a lot of original moves, like they did for Rosalina.
>mario
geno
>dk
dixie kong
>zelda
darunia
>metroid
raven beak
>kirby
bandana dee
>pokemon
scizor
>fire emblem
camilla
>pikmin
who cares
Reddit moment.
>Mario
Waluigi or Birdo
>Donkey Kong
Funky Kong
>Zelda
Impa (Skyward Sword/Hyrule Warriors because I think that one's cooler)
>Metroid
Sylux
>Kirby
Bandana Dee, I guess
>Pokemon
Meowscarada
>Fire Emblem
Tharja
>Pikmin
Collin, Louie's too obvious
>everyone saying funky kong
Just say you want DK buffed
what does that mean for Dixie?
Waluigi
Dixie
Impa
Fusion Suit Samus
Galactica Knight
Vaporeon
Ike but with a hat
Poo because that should have been Earthbound
Geno
Dixie Kong
Beast Ganon
Sylux
Magolor
Meowth
Alear
Plasm Wraith
Toad
Dixie Kong
Tingle
I don't know I think Metroid is fine as-is
Gooey
I don't give a shit about Pokémon sooooooo... Missingno would be mildly amusing
Remove Corrin
Bulborb
WE NEED TINGLE IN SMASH BROS. HE IS THE VERY REINCARNATION OF A FAIRY
TINGLE, TINGLE, TINGLE
take away from this thread so far
most popular choices for each
>Mario, Waluigi and Toad
>DK, Dixie Kong and Funky
>Zelda, Impa and Midna
>Metroid, Raven Beak and Sylux
>Kirby, Bandana Waddle Dee and Marx or Magolor
>Pokemon, can't really tell is mixed bag
>Fire Emblem, Lyn and Hector or Black Knight
>Pikmin, Louie and Oatchi
edelgard was chosen purely for 3H shit flinging (I don't care much for FE) and bisharp because I thought "how could we add another anime swordsman to smash"
bisharp looks more like a tokosatsu character if anything
yes but he does have swords and I think a pokemon pick that still fits the criteria would be really funny. If I was choosing purely off my own bias it'd be blacephalon or blaziken probably
Behold, peasants. Peak.
the symbol in the bottom right is pikmin not AC, babe. AC's symbol has always been the leaf
well that's moronic your only option for Pikmin is like Charlie.
I dunno if piranha plant could get in before the humanoid petey then you could probably get like, a bulborb or something
That would be shit. You'd have to have a lame-ass pacman-style "summon unrelated crap" moveset.
yeah pikmin enemies would need a lot of original moves to actually work. I'm happy we got pikmin representation at all but new characters would all be very samey to olimar.
>Mario
Toad/Toadette
>DK
Dixie Kong
>Zelda
Ganondorf with an actual Ganondorf moveset
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Magalor
>Pokemon
the shota-fricking magic cat from gen 9 I don't remember its name
>Fire Emblem
Lyn as a fan pick, but also roll Lucina into Marth, get rid of Roy, and get rid of Corrin because Fire Emblem absolutely needs to drop serious weight before getting anyone else otherwise nobody if I can't get rid of anyone
>Pikmin
Louie
Mario: Waluigi to shut the gays up
DK: Dixie
Metroid: Armstrong Houston from the Nintendo Power comic
Pokemon: Mew
Toad, Dixie, Pig Ganon, Mother Brain just to make Sakurai work, Bandana Dee, Meowth, Hector, and that moustache guy.
>moustache guy
Assuming The President or Charlie
>Charlie
Yeah, that's the guy.
Oatchie from Pikmin 4 is definitely gonna get in. B is pick pikmin, down b is whistle, side b is charge, up b is the leaping bite. A heavier version of olimar.
Just fricking add Paper Mario bro I don't give a frick about anything else.
I will be shocked if he is not in with the TTYD remake likely being a year 1 release for the console. And given the proximity to that game I guess he will probably be mainly based on that version.
Give him a unique ability where when he jumps on someone's head he damages them, and can push A to quickly jump again. Side B is Koops. B down is Vivian. Up B is parakarry. Neutral B is Bobbery. Side Smash is the charging hammer attack. D-air is groundpound.
Wogchads… I kneel………
They need to stop adding new shitty Pokemon as the reps. Add Machamp or Garchomp.
>stop adding shit pokemon
>proceeds to name two shitty samey pokemon as the “”””good”””” options
Frick off. I’m tired of fursuit mons on the roster. Give me something cool and unique looking. Something that doesn’t walk on two fricking legs and look like man in a suit.
>samey pokemon
samey how?
Pokegay are scared of 2 legs
More like I’m tired of all the pokemon having samey looks and movesets. Give me chandelure or necrozma or some shit. Something ACTUALLY unique. Not fursona #7392937 with basic punch kick + obligatory elemental attack movesets.
They just need to add new Pokemon reps rather than hashing the old ones.
Sure, it would've been hard to pick worse a mon than Incineroar, but you'd also think that when there's over 1000 mons now, we would stop seeing the 7 we've seen since 2008.
incineroar is funny as frick, he's supposed to be a heel wrestler and being an unpopular choice fits it perfectly
>haha, it's supposed to be a bad design and hated
wow man how cool
FR
ive warmed up 2 him so, so much since he was announced
fantastic choice sakurai
and he's so sexy, too...
Thoughts on all the female Pokémon in this Super Bash Sisters? Gardevoir is out since it can also be male lmao, this was made before Gen 9, so it starts at Pikachu Libre with a Pokken moveset and ends with Hatterne
add
>AoC Impa(Purah and Paya being alts)
>Alice from Balloon Kid
>Akara Hayami from 1080 Snowboarding and Wave Race
>Cereza with Cheshire for Bayonetta
Whoa there calm down guys, what if we had a bunch of Pikaclones like the Marth Clones? Just some food for thought.
Atleast Pikachu is iconic, what the frick is a Marth
I'll first do a "reasonable" response, than something more bullshit
>Paper Mario
>Dixie Kong
>Impa
>Raven Beak
>Bandanna Dee
>Meowscarada
>Alear
>Oatchi
Now for bullshit/wackyshit.
>Fawful
>Cranky Kong
>Tingle
>Federation Force
>Daroach
>Zarude
>Anna
>Louie
I just want a Jump smash bros like jump ultimate star
wouldn't that just be a Jump Ultimate Star sequel? but yeah definitely
J-Stars stink
>Waluigi
>Turn Diddy into Diddy & Dixie as an Ice Climbers/style character with a tag system
>Koei-Tecmo crossover representing Warriors, Volga from Hyrule Warriors
>Samus, Dark Samus and Ridley has already exhausted the pool of capable fighters that wouldn't just be other clones or semi-clones of Samus
>BandaMarx
>Pheremosa
>Hector
>Louie
>waluigi
>cranky kong
>eldritch surreal majora
>dark samus gets a more unique moveset, ridley is 25% bigger & heavier
>kirby uses different/more copy abilities in his basic moveset, cant have the ones taken from other fighters knocked away
>kabutops cause frick u
>replace byleth with chosen undead :^)
>louie
I only want more Pikmin and Mario reps.
Captain Toad
////
Rauru (TotK) or Sidon
Raven Beak
Dark Matter
Deoxys
Veronica or Anna
Oatchi
can we just have the namco smash bros team make a One Piece Smash Bros instead?
Doesn't Gambarion already have a series of One Piece platform fighters? Hell, they're the ones who even did the Jump Stars DS games.
yeah but they weren't so great
difference being that namco smash team have 2 actual smash experience under their belts
Waluigi number 1
Give Peach an updated moveset revolving around whatever that new game of hers is. Split Daisy off into her own fully fledged fighter.
Funky.
Impa.
Raven Beak seems like an easy one but 3 villains to 1 hero really feels like a stretch imo.
Bandana.
Gato Sexo.
Cut everyone but Marth, Robin, and Byleth - but introduce a new item, a FEH summoning orb. It works like an AT/Pokeball so you can have your favorite dragon or horse knight on the field for a bit.
Uhhhhhhhhhh.
current Peach is fine other than the B, Side B and maybe down B
>Waluigi
>Dixie
>Skull Kid
>Raven
>Bandanna Dee
>Meowscarada or whatever current starter mon
>Colgate chan
>Louie
Mario: Geno.
DK: Dixie or Cranky Kong
Zelda: Midna or Skull Kid
Pokemon: They'll go with the latest generation of popular furry bait. So probably Meowscarada or some shit.
Fire Emblem: No. Frick them, they have enough characters now.
Metroid: Raven Beak
Kirby: Marx
Pikmin: Oatchi as the new joke fighter akin to Piranha Plant.
Why would oatchi be a joke fighter?
He could do anything Olimar could do but better and without Pikmin
How does that qualify as a joke character
Maybe we can contest the definiton but joke charscters arent always bad, often they have a reputation if being decent mid/high tiers. Though upon reflection I didnt really adress your point so much as made a side comment
Joke characters have always been about characters that seemingly have no moveset potential and are from series that would never usually have a fighter in smash
All you Nickers out there, choose one rep for each franchise:
>SpongeBob SquarePants
>Rugrats
>Rocko's Modern Life
>Hey Arnold
>Jimmy Neutron
>Danny Phantom
>Invader Zim
>Avatar
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>Garfield
No.
>SpongeBob SquarePants
Just bring back Sandy. If it has to be a new one then Gary.
>Rugrats
Stu Pickles
>Rocko's Modern Life
Heffer Wolfe
>Hey Arnold
Arnold. Or bring back Helga.
>Jimmy Neutron
King Goobot V
>Danny Phantom
Sam Manson
>Invader Zim
Dib
>Avatar
Bring back Toph.
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Bring back Shredder.
>Garfield
Odie
>Forgets Loud House
Fricking lmao
SquarePants
I guess Mermaid Man or Barnacle Boy
the dog idk
's Modern Life
no idea aboit this show other than the mc
>>Hey Arnold
Arnold
Neutron
Sheen
Phantom
Tucker I guess
Zim
Dib
Sokka
Mutant Ninja Turtles
just bring all turtles but if it has to be a newcomer, Casey Jones
Otie I guess the dog I guess
Fine.
>Spongebob
Man-Ray
>Rugrats
Grandpa Lou
>Rocko's Modern Life
Really REALLY Big Man
>Hey Arnold
Grandpa Phil
>Jimmy Neutron
Sheen
>Danny Phantom
Fright Knight
>Invader Zim
Gaz
>Avatar
Ty Lee
>TMNT
Karai
>Garfield
Odie
>spongebob
Bring Back Sandy and tone her down from being Op from first game
>Rugrats
Stu Pickles or Angelica with depressed Stu assist for specials.
>Rocko
I don't want Heffer or the Turtle. I don't think you can bring another Rocko character with a moveset. Heffer is probably the best candidate for this
>Arnold
black kid stole helga's moveset. Bring back Helga with a redesign
>Jimmy
Just bring back Hugh
>Danny Phantom
Plasmus deserves to be in
>Invader Zim
Dib w/ sister for specials
>Avatar
we have too many firebenders. bring the old granny cop with mental bending whips she's cool and probably the most sensible option from korra. If not, Katara but Korra has a lot of water attacks already so it would feel repeat. Could also bring Toph back.
>TMNT
Bring back the 2 turtles or shredder
>Garfield
the female cat could be a semi-clone with different aesthetics. other than that, ideally I don't want more from this franchise. The animals from the barn propbably would be better contenders.
>Sandy or Man-Ray
>Angelica
>Dr. Hutchinson
>Helga or Harold
>Ultralord
>Vlad or Skulker
>Dib
>Toph or Sokka
>Leo, Mikey or Shredder
>Jon
I hope they focus on 1st parties next Smash.
gay thread, do not remake it
Birdo, Squacks, Reimu, Raven eye, Elfilin, Hydrapple, blue/red wo/man i guess, Oatchie. Plus Bandit from Yoshi's Island
Pokemon should add gen 1 stablished mons and maybe a new one on top of that. Going just for new ones is cringe when there are so many incredibly recognizable characters in its roster
>Dry Bowser (as an alt)
>Funky Kong (WITH the Flame Flyer)
>Groose
>Metroid (as a Pirahna Plant like character)
>Bandana Dee
>Garchomp
>Camilla
>Oatchi/Louie (with the Titan Dweevil as the final Smash)
Kamek, Funky Kong, Tingle, Sylux, Ado/Adeleine, Meowth, Hector, Louie
Toad/Toadette
Dixie Kong
Midna
Omega Metroid
Gooey
Serperior
Anna
Louie
Mario: Koopa Troopa
DK: Manky Kong
Zelda: Sahasrahla
Metroid: Zoomer
Kirby: Waddle Doo
Pokemon: Guilmon
Fire Emblem: Gheb
Pikmin: Shigeru Miyamoto
Midbus is the only acceptable mario character
>Mario
Waluigi
>DK
Dixie
>LoZ
Midna
>Metroid
EMMI
>Kirby
Not sure/Random Waddle dee
>Pokemon
Eevee with Eevolutions
>FE
No we have enough
>Pikmin
The dog from Pikmin 4
she's in
>Toad
>Funky Kong
>Cia
>Raven Beak
>Dark Matter
>Mr. Mime
>Anna
>Oatchi (Has Moss as an alt skin)
Petey Piranha
Dixie
Tingle
no idea
Gooey (can copy neutral specials like Kirby)
Tinkaton
Anna
Alph (semi-clone with newer pikmin)
Mario character results from this thread.
*"Toad" counts all Toad variations mentioned.
DK results.
Zelda results.
Metroid results.
Keep going you must
Alright.
Kirby results.
Waddle Dee variants can be grouped with Bandee like Toad variant, maybe not Doo
I was debating it cause some anons specified Waddle Dee and not Bandana. Here's a grouped version.
seems about right
Toad would be more popular if he had a snappy specialty that he never really quite had, he still has plenty of raw canon moveset potential actually is just not special to him most of it
Waluigi on the other hand has material that is special to him since he was goven that in the sports games that, in Strikers Waluigi was given thorny vines, Tennis Waluigi Tornado and air swimming, Baseball liar ball and such, meanwhile Toad wasn't even playable in Tennis so he missed it, was a role player rather than a captain in baseball and strikers so he missed the chance to be given one
is ironic how somehow Waluigi was playable in the right kind of games that would make him special while Toad was playble in mainline games but wasn't given material to make him special
Captain Toad did give Toad the pickaxe atleast
as for the others
is funny how Pauline can be considered both a Donkey Kong character and a Mario character, she technically only been in "Donkey Kong" games prior to Odyssey, with Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong(94) and Mario vs Donkey Kong but yeah she deserves to be up there, especially if Rosalina made it
Geno and Fawful I feel would switch places in a alternate timeline, you have Geno who was only a party member in SMRPG, though he is story relevant, then you got Fawful who was a Co-Main Villain in Superstar Saga, appeared in Partners in Time and was The Main Villain in Bowser's Inside Story, yet lookinh at smash popularity you would think is the other way around
Waluigi, Cranky, Vaati, Raven Beak, Fecto Elfilis or Morpho Knight, Ethan (Gen 2 Pokémon Trainer with Chicorita, Quilava and Feraligatr), anyone with an axe or spear as a primary weapon, nobody, just add more alt-skins to Olimar.
>Mario
We have more than enough Mario characters
>Donkey Kong
Dixie Kong
>Zelda
Impa and Tetra
>Metroid
Metroid already has the perfect character rep
>Kirby
Dark Matter
>Pokemon
We have more than enough Pokemon characters
>Fire Emblem
Cut every character besides Marth and Ike. Add Leif, Lyn, and the Black Knight.
>Pikmin
Alph gets upgraded to an echo fighter.
>Waluigi, Paper Mario, or Toad/Captain Toad
>Dixie
>Skull Kid, Midna, or AoC Impa
>Raven Beak or Sylux (or rework Dark Samus to be original like her Sm4sh Assist Trophy)
>Bandana Dee
>Ceruledge, Tinkaton, or Gholdengo in terms of just Gen 9, Hoenn Pokémon Trainer (Mudkip, Grovyle, Blaziken) is my never-ever pick
>Cut at least Corrin, Chrom and Roy (and make Lucina a Marth skin) first, then you can add Tiki, Anna, Lyn, or Black Knight
>Louie or Rookie Captain and Oatchi
Completely unrelated to those, but I just want to get this off my chest: it won’t happen, but I’d much rather see Matthew from XC3 Future Redeemed over Noah and/or Mio, a brawler character would be way more interesting than another sword user.
Plum, Cranky Kong, Tingle, Sylux, Adeleine & Ribbon, Hex Maniac, Jake, Louie.
Mario: Vivian (PM:TTYD) (bonus points: no trans flag alt colors)
DK: Chunky, Funky, or Lanky
Zelda: Skull Kid
Metroid: The Baby
Kirby: Adeleine
Pokemon: Bea
Fire Emblem: Arthur (FE: Fates)
Pikmin: Louie
the remake is guaranteed to have a shitstorm depending on how they retranslate vivians dialogue
such is the pain of being a vivian fan
Mario: Toad/Toadette simply because they're playable in so many mainline games now, getting too big to ignore
DK: Dixie
Zelda: Vaati
Metroid: Not a very character driven series, would feel shoehorned but gun to my head I guess Raven Beak???
Kirby: Animal Friend Trio
Pokemon: The guy from Colloseum with Umbreon/Espeon
Fire Emblem: Ideally no one but whatever non-self insert protagonist you want. Kind of all the same.
Pikmin: I don't know, the frickin dog from 4?
come to think of it, Sakurai is actually insane to have Rosalina and Piranha Plant before Toad
but atleast those are the more creative fighters to be fair
is a shame that he is a hoarder and would rather keep Toad as part of Peach's moveset
even though King Dedede immediately lost his Waddle Dee throws when it was one of his better moves
Peach can atleast keep Toadsworth there instead of Toad if he wants that move so bad
when is really not special to Peach at all, even less so for Daisy having a Toad as a servant
I'd also keep him part of Peach's moveset. But if I must add a character I'm sort of out of options.
>is a shame that he is a hoarder and would rather keep Toad as part of Peach's moveset
even though King Dedede immediately lost his Waddle Dee throws when it was one of his better moves
Fricking this, certain Dedede players are mindless Gordo Spammers and I do miss the Dees and Doos
it was particularly awesome since Waddle Dees were a better meatshield than Toad to, they were effectively defensive protectiles that countered zoning very well
>Mario
Waluigi obviously, i would rather have another one but this is the objectively correct choice.
>DK
Torn between Cranky doing classic arcade stuff+TF stuff or Dixie.
>Zelda
Ganon so we can have a more series accurate boss than Falcondorf
>Metroid
Raven Beak, its no contest, while EMMI using some of Samus skills could be cool Raven Beak is cooler by defaut
>Kirby
Adeleine, a summons character would be interesting
>Pokemon
Staying with GEN9 since its the latest is really tough, the sexweedcat would be alright i guess.
>FE
I honestly dont know shit about FE, but i would want a villain if they have anything cool for it
>Pikmin?
The dog from the new game i guess.
Ideal for Mario representation
Top Priority
>Mario (duh)
>Luigi(with more Luigi's mansion moves)
>Toad(as a power up merchant as he was in SMB3)
>Peach
>Bowser
If is a huge >50 Roster
>Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings
>Daisy (reworked to use Wonder Flower Badges and specialties like Crystals)
>Rosalina
>Paper Mario
>Fawful
>Waluigi (Can count as Wario by association despite never being in Wario games)
>Bird (like Waluigi, Yoshi by common association, also as an echo to be the nuYoshi to Yoshi returning to dino posture)
>Kamek (can count as Yoshi rep)
>Pauline (can count as a Donkey Kong rep)
>King Boo (frankly Luigi's Mansion can branch off into its own series if theres Yoshi)
Geno
Dixie
Skull Kid
Raven Beak
Marx
Meowscarada
Alear
Louie
Remember when smash bros only had this many fighters? Pepperidge farm remembers...
that reminds me
for the hell of it I have made a 50 character reboot roster with the imposed rule of only series that has been represented in the original smash
Extremely Based, Fire Emblem fans would be pissing and shitting their pants at getting jack squat if Smash were to really go back to basics and start from where the series began but only limiting themselves to series that were in 64, and I’d welcome all the Earthbound and F-Zero characters
>Mario
Goomba
>Donkey Kong
There's no other characters to add
>Zelda
The talking boat
>Metroid
Ridley
>Kirby
Green kirby
>Pokemon
Misty
>FE
The girl with purple hair and big boobs
>Pikmin
Louie
i have a theory i'd like to test.
smash compared to other fighting games is more focused on characters in the game than the game's mechanics or its quality as a fighting game vs competitors.
this isn't to say other games like tekken 8 or sf6 do not have rostergayging, far from it, but the point is to say that most players of tekken or street fighter WILL buy the next entry even if it has the same characters as always because it represents a new set of challenges to learn. if sf6 was just sf2 characters i would've bought it regardless because the fighting system itself looked fun. and i say that as someone who would rather play sf3 or 4 characters if they were in the game but they are not. it is what it is, but that doesn't lower my interest in the game.
meanwhile it seems far more likely the average smash consumer would not purchase the next smash if the newcomers added were not up to par. ultimately, smash as a product is more about who's invited rather than the core game itself. i wager smash is less popular as an serious online matchmaking title than competitors like tekken or street fighter though i have no way to prove this. it's simply vibes based on how people talk about the game. an sf thread on Ganker will definitely be someone actually playing the game talking about their qualms, you know?
yeah.
The first party potential for newcomers is in a state of scaping the barrel, with a few minor exceptions for what would cause hype for the average normalgay
exactly, hence why now is the time to do major mechanical iterations on the core system. you can have lower numbers of new characters or even cut old characters if the game is new and exciting in a mechanical sense. but the question is how appealing is that to the typical smash consumer and what kind of iterations could be made without sacrificing core identity.
Depends how you do the cut, most morons will insist on nuking half the roster to shove in their own niche 1st party picks, but if you look at past illerations like Brawl and 4, you don't have to go full moron at all.
Just trim the fat, with a handful of characters no one is really going to miss (Chrom, Corrin, Dark Pit, Pichu, Young/Toon Link, Daisy, Bowser Jr. etc)
Toon Link, Daidy and Bowser Jr are all-star material
but I can compromise with getting Tetra over Toon Link to effectively act as a declone of Toon Link and a newcomer in a weird way
according to general consensus, Toon Link is low priority
but I think Toon Link can stay if the Roster calls for 50 vets out of 89 so I say he is middle priority
This is the list I meant when I was talking about trimming the fat, you can safely nuke the entire bottom tier and no one will really mourn, but anything else should be a case by case to decide on a good replacement.
>nuking daisy
>when she's finally relevant due to wonder
People will care
Maybe, but it won't be a complete shitshow like when they cut Mewtwo or Snake
I hate how people consider cutting Mewtwo again over Jigglypuff just because it happened before
Snake can go, he is a guest, not quite a Nintendo All-Star
>Sakurai cutting Joker
You people are making rostergayging unfun. I miss Japan time so much.
how nice must it be to be a director working in an office with a view of da city
cutting is just as fun though in playing football manager
Nooo anon, you aren't allowed to like Joker, hes le homosexual anime man, and reddit likes Persona so that equals LE BAD!!!!
Autistic shitposting aside, Persona 5 wasn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be, several leagues better than the insufferable writing of FE Fates and Xenoblade 2
>Shits on gays for complaining about animu
>Goes out of his way to shit on Xenoblade 2
lol lmao even
I haven't dropped a JRPG half way since FF15, but holy frick, Rex is a shitter
>Barry bait posting
>Barry AND Eric posting rolled into one
wew
All we need now is Xgay and we'll be
>Everyone is Here!
is not about the quality of the games
Reposting this
Ness was a savage
Nobody would miss Daisy? Are you high?
More people also Dark Pit than Pit.
Why would these characters take priority on the chopping block when they take all of two seconds to add?
to be fair theres also few videogame characters in general tha would cause hype for the average normalgay
even steve was forgotten in a few weeks, is time to go beyond videogames
good thing thats technically not Smash Bros
>for what would cause hype for the average normalgay
But normalgays don't have good knowledge of vidya, so why is it better to placate them? That mentality meant us getting Joker instead of someone like Aleph or Demifiend.
Still infinitely better than listening to morons on Smashboards and Youtube with astronomically shit taste. I'd happily take a SMT rep over Joker anyday, but still better than that slot going to a shillmon, goomba or a 9th FE rep
>shillmon, 9th FE rep
but does are unpopular
Shy guy
Cranky
Skull kid
Sylux
Marx
Marowak
Black knight
Frick, I dunno
Waluigi
Dixie
Groose
Anthony Higgs
Adeline
Maushold
idk the names of any FE characters but someone that uses an axe or something weird
Louie
Nabbit
Dixie Kong
Cia
Sylux
Yarn Kirby
Johto trainer (Cyndaquil/Bayleef/Feraligatr)
Lyn
No Pikmin character
Fawful
Lord Fredrik
Skull Kid
No new metroid rep, doesn’t deserve it.
Marx
No new pokemon rep
No new FE rep, doesn’t deserve it
Louie
smash 4 was such a fever dream
Easy
>Waluigi
>Dixie Kong
>Midna and Wolf Link
>Raven Beak
>Marx as a fighter
>Blaziken
>Hector
>Oatchi
Frick, why not keep going?
>Earthbound gets Porky
>KI gets Hades
>F-Zero gets Jody Summer
>ARMS gets Ninjara
>Splatoon gets Octoling
>Star Fox gets Shogun Pilot
HOW IN THE HELL IN THIS THREAD STILL UP?
I was 99% sure it was over
Also frick those franchises, give me Black motherfricking Shadow!
honestly as popular as Octoling is I don't understand why a lot of people hate Dark Pit yet want Octoling?
isn't Octoling just a Dark Inkling pretty much
>but she can use their own weapons
Dark Pit can be given the more unique Uprising weapons too
but to be fair Splatoon is definitely more warranted to have another character than Kid Icarus ever was,
although Kid Icarus had more characters that resonates like Palutena, Viridi, Medusa, Hades and Magnus and such
thats not to say that Splatoon doesn't have a characters that resonates like Callie & Marie and the Off The Hook duo
not hating, just asking questions here
As someone coming at a splatoon rep from a completely unbiased perspective, I’ve always thought that an Octoling that simply uses all the weapons that the Inkling didn’t use would make for an excellent second rep. At the absolute worst it would be an Isabelle-tier character where half the moves are reused or very similar and the other half are entirely new. But since the Inkling in smash ONLY reps Splatoon 1, the Octoling would have a wealth of weapons to choose from, including the ones from Splatoon 1 that aren’t in the Inkling’s moveset plus EVERY SINGLE new weapon introduced in Splatoon 2 and 3.
I guess is to do with how Dark Pit has been tried so Octoling would seem more refreshing even though is entirely possible that they could just be echo status too
but at a glance, Octoling has much more clear differences to Inkling than Dark Pit to Pit, I guess Dark Pit would be more popular if he was more like Metaknight to Kirby, who technically is just a dark Kirby under the mask and wear a mask most of the time, a Spartan Helm would suit him
Still stand by my stance that Dark Pit would be more popular if Uprising sold more. People hated Palutena for the same reason in Smash 4, then she became a top tier in Ultimate and now everyone pretends like they loved her from the beginning. You don't need to add anything to his design, just let him use his staff more instead of making him use le ebic multihit bow.
yeah people hated Palutena I recall
>People hated Palutena for the same reason in Smash 4,
People hated Palutena because she was one of like two characters with super unique custom moves when almost every other character's custom moves were just lame modifications.
>custom moves
man, smash 4 really WAS a fever dream
People hate Dark Pit because they slept on Uprising, there's literally nothing else to it. They assume he was a one off bad guy like Dark Link is even though he's ironically the most developed character in Kid Icarus.
Pittoo shouldn't be cut, he should be entirely reworked from the ground up the same way Falco was in Brawl, anyone who actually played Uprising will tell you the same thing. Rostergays don't think like that. If they don't like a character, they would rather remove them permanently instead of thinking of ways to make them more enjoyable.
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Waluigi
Funky Kong
Rauru
That black guy from other m
Marx
Ash
idk, that axe guy who is friend with that eliwood guy?
Don't know anything about pikmin except that it's miyamoto's baby. So I'm choosing miyamoto himself.
Pikmin results.
Not gonna bother with FE and Pokemon.
Waluigi or Toad
Dixie
Impa
Dark Matter
Omega Metroid
Blaziken or gay water duck
Blue/red haired b***h from recent game I guess
Oatchi
First Party only rosterhomosexualry is the lamest shit ever
just go play Fortnite
>Who do you add?
Well since this thread survives I’ll do your list:
>Mario
Pauline
>DK
Dixie
>Zelda
AOC Impa
>Metoid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Marx, BWD or Magolor
>Pokémon
Meowscarada, Ogrepon, or Tinkaton
>Fire Emblem
Lyn or Celica
>Pikmin
Oatchi and Rookie
Geno
Dixie
Skullkid
Raven beak
Gooey
Gengar
Remove 4 marths and add whoever has the fattest and juiciest wiener
Oatchi
Frick this shit, let’s shake things up and list characters we would remove instead! Series that have more than one rep are eligible. So Pikmin doesn’t count here.
>Mario
Rosalina
>DK
Diddy
>Zelda
Either merge Sheik back into Zelda, or remove or rework Yink or Tink
>Metroid
Merge ZSS back into Samus
>Pokémon
Lucario or Greninja
>Fire Emblem
Corrin
Geno isn't a first-party you triple homosexuals
I mean yeah but he's still a Mario character.
Min Min’s cute feet! 😀
I’m sorry what was that about adding or removing characters?
I love Tinkaton and Ogrepon and I hate most nuPokemons
Waluigi
Lanky Kong
Vaati
Raven Beak
Adeliene, I guess?
Meowscarda
series sucks
who the frick else could you add from that?
Prince Haru
Funky Kong
Riju (forma de child)
I don't really know Metroid so I will shitpost with Adam
The clown guy
New pokemon trainer but switching pokemon switches between Liko, Roy and Dot as well
One of the e-girl dragons
This has the only real characters already doesn't it?
Asian girls!
>Mario
Geno or Paper Mario
>DK
Dixie
>Zelda
Grab ganondorf and redesign him. Don't need more than Link/Zelda?Ganon and Sheik. Either him or Young Link gets redesigned with masks from MM to play like pokemon trainer
>Metroid
Raven Beak
>Kirby
Bandana Dee
>Pokemon
Ideally none. Otherwise some new gen rep. Gato sexo probably
>Fire Emblem
Ideally none. Sadly I fear we will see Colgate hair MC
>Pikmin
there is nothing you can add. Louie was not an alt skin because he's taller. Only one that worked was Alph. At most you can add others from the cast as skins.
>there is nothing you can add
???
There’s plenty you can add. Not every character HAS to be a damn clone just because they look similar.
what are you gonna add? the fricking dog? lmao.
Look at this thread. Half the people in this thread want the damn dog.
I want Louie, but the fog isn’t even a bad choice. Why would it be? Its literally a new Pikmin protagonist with a guaranteed unique moveset.
Oogtar
Bluster Kong
Spryte
Mother Brain
Escargoon
Tracey Sketchit
lol I dunno
Shepherd
if you had one black (nonavatar) character to add, who would you pick?
>Mike Tyson(punchout)
>Sandman (Punch-Out)
>Doc Louis (Punch-Out)
>Piston Hurricane (Super Punchout)
>Disco Kid(Punch-out Wii)
>Rodin or Loki (Bayonetta)
>Off the Hook Black Octoling (Splatoon 2)
>Twintelle (ARMS)
>Elma, though not really black (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
Lucky Glauber
not much are really all-star material but Mike Tyson
Man, do I have to choose between Doc Louis and Twintelle? Both would be fun.
>Mike Tyson(punchout)
Just this once I'm picking the meme answer
Twintelle for Brown Vidya Women representation
I want the president in, not because of any particular gameplay reason, but because I want to hear the car horn every time he blows the whistle.
Supreme taste
Now I want to make a president moveset.
>Mario
Either Geno or Waluigi not because I care either way but because if you need to scrape the bottom of the barrel for any character from this franchise, get one that people actually care about
>DK
Really doesn't need another, DK has never had a lot of characters and while getting Funky or Cranky or Dixie might be nice, I don't think it's needed
>Zelda
same deal, Zelda only really has three recurring characters and they're already represented
>Metroid
Dark Samus should never have been added and Metroid is just about Samus and Ridley plus a bunch of space pirates
>Kirby
Short of Bandana Dee for the same reason as Waluigi/Geno, again I don't think Kirby needs another rep. Kirby/MK/DDD already fill out the franchise well enough and it's hard to think of anything else. Maybe Lololo and Lalala as a clone of ICs.
>Pokemon
Pretty much guaranteed to get a new shillmon in each game but the one that it deserves is Grovyle.
>FE
Frick off
>flower
What?
Why did you post if you don't even like video games?
Where do you think we are?
Geno
Dixie Kong
Impa
Raven Beak
Waddle Dee
Eevee
Anna
Oatchi