>you say that they won't survive without CoD, but is there a reason why Sony can't just make games people would want to play? Works for Nintendo
If you were FTC lawyer, how would you answer without sounding mad or disrespectful?
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I would force the judge to do an all shrines completion of TotK then ask how he feels about vidya.
I'd force the judge to collect all korok seeds, rocket skip all shrines, use hover bike during all traversal. That will show them!
Judge was supposed to be unbiased...
"Unbiased" doesn't mean listening to a stupid argument and pretending it's not stupid.
hello dr lee
Judge is supposed to start unbiased and them become biased based on whichever side has the objectively better case.
And the FTC was supposed to advocate for the CUSTOMERS rights and yet here we are.
that is being unbiased
sony does not make games nor movies people want to watch
The FTC were actively working against their own case
>It's biased to ask Sony to make games for their game console
Lol, lmao even
It's a hate crime to ask snoy to make actual games, chud.
I'm so fricking tired of this shit. Sony makes games and also they sell well. You gays not liking them doesn't make them not games
>ony makes games
Yeah?
90% of the games on that list are multiplat, the games that arent are Nintendo’s which don’t include digital sales essentially cutting them in half, not including Mario Kart, meanwhile all 3 of the Playstation exclusives and Mario Kart have bundles for them
>moving the goalposts
So you have no argument
You said they sold well when in reality they arent and you are using PC sales as if they are playstation sales
Every Sony game on the list isn't on PC you mouth breathing moron
And those games are bundled with the console instead, do you think Wii Sports selling a lot is impressive either?
You keep moving the goal posts. Your theory is moronic considering Sony sold fewer PS5s than they did for all of the sales of GOW alone
>ftc gives a shitty argument
>Judge asks the ftc to justify shitty argument
>Ganker lawyers think this means she is bias
>FTC arguing for the case of Sony
>completely ignoring the consumer which is what this whole thing is about
>b-b-but the judge hates sony!!
How the frick is this "biased"? Snoys are fricking delusional. We all fricking know you'd be on the opposite site of the coin if sony was the one making the buyout
And Nintendo wasn't involved in the case. She sided with the only one who had nothing to do with anything. You can't be more unbiased than that
>I don't know what unbiased is
being based doesn't equal to being "biased"
>Judge was supposed to be unbiased...
Sony cope
The judge is more concerned about whether the acquisition hurts consumers, not Sony.
Which is also what the FTC's job is purportedly supposed to do, and why she's basically been calling them out more for their arguments revolving around protecting Sony rather than "why would Microsoft buying Activision-Blizzard be harmful towards consumers"
That is unbiased. It's an objective truth.
Why is the FTC defending Sony so hard? Oh wait, they're American and they have to obey their corpo overlords. And here I thought that they were supposed to come to the defense of the consumers.
Point out that developing a cult of personality takes years of money and effort, and maturing that cult to the point where they will buy any old regurgitative tripe takes multiple platform generations.
The only fundamental differences between modern Zelda and assassins creed is in one you play as a barely-dressed twink and it's made by a company who largely targets small children, creating loyal followers out of impressionable minds.
That market has long been cornered, leaving Sony and Microsoft to duel over the remainder; the teenscape, over which neither side is playing clean and their constant jousting does more to harm their customers than their opposition.
Splatoon was a new ip.
Splatoon ain't cod
Splatoon 3 beat COD Modern Warfare II for best Multiplayer Game of the Year.
If people cared about awards TLoU2 wouldn't be a punchline.
Fair enough, but Splatoon 3 has more to hang it's hat on than just that. Unless saying
was meant in a literal way, in which case yeah, Splatoon plays nothing like CoD.
It still sells double double digit millions within a year. And that franchise started on the fricking Wii U.
snoy moment
>Comparing zelda to assassins creed
Oh god the delusion
It's not zelda anymore it's copy pasted open world ubislop so the comparison is apt.
Its literally zelda except with a bigger map and climbing added.
>B-BUT TOWERS, THERES LIKE 8 TOWERS IN THE GAME
the funniest part is the the towers don't even do what people hate from ac that is revealing the things you should find by exploring/playing the game
It's literally ubislop with a zelda skin. It's the copy pasted filler open world, not just towers.
>open world = ubisoft
based moron
Who are you quoting you homosexual.
>It's the copy pasted filler open world
Literally every part of zelda is hand crafted. Thats why they take so fricking long to come out
They reuse textures and shit because the switch is a last gen underpowered mobile gaming turd, but the actual DESIGN of the game map is completely hand made by devs.
Butt Creedo on the other hand, is victim to exactly what you're describing. Copy and pasting area and concepts just to fill up the game world. Which is why zelda feels like the entire map is full of new shit to find, and ass creed has shit like
>Oh, the 15th fort, with the same enemies and diablo loot esque rewards
>Also half of it doesnt make sense in context of the game world and was clearly copy pasted from another part
>Literally every part of zelda is hand crafted
It used to, it sure as hell doesn't anymore.
What makes you say that?
If anything impresses me about Totk, its that every single new area I find, I find something new. That shit is what makes the game feel like it had TLC put into it. Aside from maybe, MAYBE arguably some of the sky islands being repeated a couple times with different stuff on them. But the ground content feels extremely unique
>towers = plays the same
dumbass
open world with nonstop copy pasted filler slop to the detriment of all else and the series' identity
it's trash that should've been a new ip
Yeah let me go ahead and filter your dumbass. You obviously nothing of importance to post
>waaah I'll filter you
go back to your safespace if you can't handle it
>not seeing the comparison
that's the only delusion here
There's a reason they're called Ubisoft Towers anon
They arent necessarily bad
And besides the biggest complaint about ubisoft towers is they're all copy and paste with no variation and they reveal all the game world's secrets for you, littering your screen with UI chevron garbage.
Zelda's doesnt do either of those things
just by people that want to shit talk the game. aside from being a tower they have nothing in common
What percentage of game completion is that?
>percentage
the percentage is irrelevant anon. shrines and divine beasts are infinitely bigger than korok puzzles but they are all considered one content for "map compeltion". it's just the concept that they had with skulltulas but now scaled for a bigger open world and with the possibility of checking how much you did
I accept your ascension
When was the last time Sony or Microsoft made an effort to appeal to kids anyways? I'm trying to remember an era before every game reveal was a middle aged man walking on a forest.
Microsoft did a cute platformer of a fox, lucky I think it was called, nothing groundbreaking but I bought it and don't regret it.
Sony has Ratchet, but they take a billion years to put out a game nowadays when children need constant stimuli, and there’s also sackboy I guess. Microsoft has Minecraft but they’re incredibly moronic since they own Banjo and he could very well be their mascot if they weren’t sitting on it, but they’d rather pander to Black folk and trannies than children and families
What I can't understand is why the Microsoft just sits on the Viva Pinata IP, just make it more like Animal Crossing and they are guaranteed to snatch sizable part of AC and likely Stardew Valley audiences.
MS literally owns Minecraft the biggest kids game on the planet and continuously puts out material based on the IP like side games, comics, books and etc etc.
Hi Fi Rush
The Playstation has been around for decades, why haven't they made their own cult who buys whatever they shit out?
Oh wait...
>”Point out that developing a cult of personality takes years of money and effort, and maturing that cult to the point where they will buy any old regurgitative tripe takes multiple platform generations.”
But Playstation already has this to an extent, there’s a reason the PS5 is selling quite well despite having no exclusives. Sure, their software suffers from the lack of consistency, as in, they don’t have a single franchise they owned since the beginning they still put out games for at a consistent pace like Nintendo does with Mario and Zelda and sell gangbusters on top of it (GoW is a bit of an exception since it started with the PS2) but their hardware isn’t too affected by this, as people buy Playstation consoles by brand name alone, Nintendo is its own thing and Xbox is essentially irrelevant
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They did
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I'm seeing a lot of black people like your pic, the most aggressive and delusional fans from PS, not even 1 white or latino guy, only black ones.
you're looking in the wrong places
go look at the naughty dog fans
Sony is absolutely incompetent and has no long term planning regarding their licences. Every generation they completely abandon most of the newest ones if a single game in that franchise even slightly underperforms (according to their lofty goals) because people saw that they were clearly cutting corners to try to maximize profits. Then they make the devs start working on a passing fad shit if they don't straight out close the studio.
MotorStorm, Colony Wars, Intelligent Qube, Alundra, Legend of Dragoon, Destruction Derby, Dark Cloud, G-Police, Patapon, LocoRoco, Syphon Filter and many others were all abandonned after a single "underperforming" game or if they didn't reach the moronicly high goals (reaching the FF franchise sales for the JRPGs for example) set for them.
this
I was looking forward to a Sly 4 on PS4, or killzone, warhawk, patapon 4, god of war (the real games not soiy slop)
and for all those IPs' underperformances, they at least never had the boss of playstation at time legally declaring that nobody gives a shit about them
Tpbp
Kids play COD though.
kids also play minecraft, Roblox and fortnite
I can't imagine playing Fortnite on Switch.
me neither but some people really just want portability
I did for a while back when I was into the game and I wasn't home, playing with the gyro was fun
>Timmy Tencent fought tooth and nail against Apple for a 7% market share of his cash cow
This makes that whole debacle even more pathetic in retrospect. He was literally just sperging out.
actually he was fighting for a bigger share going to the game itself instead of the marketplace iirc, which would probably boost that from 7%. what's moronic is that he never fought other stores for that, but I'd never expect a Sony shill to fight his masters
We know from the FTC courtcase that Activision got Sony to take only a 20% cut off COD games. I wouldnt be surprised if Epic made the same deal with Sony to only take 20% too.
On another note, Activision said they'll remove COD from Xbox if they didnt comply with the same deal Sony had.
>Point out that developing a cult of personality takes years of money and effort, and maturing that cult to the point where they will buy any old regurgitative tripe takes multiple platform generations
But enough about Sony...
Fortnite became a smashing hit over night, despite the fact literally no one cared about it until battle royale update
>ass creed
>compared with the Legend of Twinks
anon I...
You sound extremely mad, mission failed.
Holy seethe. Snoy tears will nourish me for decades.
Peak snoytroon post right here. You’re just mad that not even snoys like snoy’s shitty walking simulators. Stay mad.
Shouldve made more PaRappa games, Sony. Song you fricking hacks! Where's my damn PaRappa!!!
Didn't Hifi Rush and Pizza Tower just take the video game world by storm almost by surprise?
Hi Fi Rush sold like shit ironically for all its praise
But it got attention, which is a part of building a core fanbase.
Their sales dropped by 30 percent that quarter
>video game world by storm
Kek that's TOTK numbers man, Pizza and HiFi are popular for a random indie game and a xbox exclusive, but they're nowhere as popular as people think.
It's like when the Deck released and it was spammed everywhere like shit sold year 1 records only to eventually reach a million a year later, you know what the Switch does in a slow month.
personally I'd use hollow knight as an example. not exactly because of sales, they were good but not crazy, but hollow knight became extremely popular for an indie game
>comparing the series that has built a cult to new games
??? The point is that they are new games that got people talking?
Some people talking is fair but the point was "took the gaming world by storm", these games aren't that, Pokemon gen 1 was that, COD 4 Modern Warfare, Minecraft, Fortnite, you know that is taking the world by storm, not some guys posting on Ganker.
>Point out that developing a cult of personality takes years of money and effort
and sony has that lol, at least HAD
>Point out that developing a cult of personality takes years of money and effort, and maturing that cult to the point where they will buy any old regurgitative tripe takes multiple platform generations.
And for some fricking reason Sony simply STOPPED doing ALL that.
>Should we give people what they want like Pursuit Force 3, Loco Roco 3, Killzone 5, Resistance Fall of Man 4, Twisted Metal, Syphon Filter, Socom...
>Nah, make a walking simulator about lesbians and an open world spider-man game and call it a gen.
Sony are the only ones to blame if they rely on 3rd parties now and even they acknowledge they do not need Call of Duty.
If anything the FTC is like Jonah Hill going against Ophelia. There is genuinely anything you can say that won't be used against you because the FTC are also fat moronic shits with neither ground nor likeness. To make it clear, no one is rooting for Microsoft, we are all rooting against Sony.
They stopped making games that stopped selling well. Its not a fricking mystery. If those IPs were still successful they would still be making them. And going by that metric, why can't MS make their own successful ips instead of simply consolidating?
Zero self awareness.
>You see, your honor, Transbox is for homosexuals
>Compelling argument, anon, the trial is hereby halted and the injunction is approved
Wait... I thought the issue for the FTC was that the deal hurt consumers. Why does it always sound like they're fighting for Sony?
She actually asked about that too
No answer
She also asked the FTC lawyers "If your argument is that Microsoft is buying exclusives. Why is it OK for Sony to buy exclusives?". She seemed quite sceptical of the FTC's argument that by "Potentially harming Sony, they harm the market".
Sony are in a rough spot. Because they have more or less had to argue that they're essential to the market.
SEGA outright bailed on and had to retreat from the entire console market. And lo and behold, they were replaced and the market survived and continued to grow at that.
SEGA loyalists might have mourned the events, and might still do so. But by the end of the day SEGA was outright eliminated and it didn't exactly harm the market or its consumers.
So when you argue that events that so much as harm Playstation can't be allowed to happen, you also need to prove that Playstation even needs to be in the market at all.
Competition is great for sure, but competition isn't synonymous with Playstation having an eternal golden throne in the market.
It’s true that Sony has gotten too complacent with its “there’s no need to make good games since the consoles sell anyway” approach, which will probably come back to bite them in the ass sooner rather than later
>didn't exactly harm the market or its consumers
>hall effect joysticks pretty much delayed by 20 years
>consoles and controllers are pretty much impossible to repair for a normal person without learning real skills
>games have gotten progressively worse since
X has nothing to do with Y here.
Anyway, if you played on PC you wouldn't have any of these problems.
naw you're a homosexual
ever since sega got booted out of console division
shit has gone down hill
video games would be better if we still had a actual japanese console outside of nintendo
sega has never made a good videogame, and their consoles have no playable games.
I liked Dragon Force.
Do you have brain damage or something? Scummy practices aren't tied to SEGA leaving the industry dumbass, if something SEGA left us with one of the most scummy practices of all of them and they face hardly any scorning.
I think SEGA are better than the current figures too. But the statement that the market trucked on regardless and that consumers still got their videogames and is true.
SEGA were replaced. I might think Xbox does and has always sucked dick and that Playstation went to shit. But they've got diehard fans and always has. It's our perspectives against theirs.
I've fixed my controllers multiple times by myself and I'm a stupid ass 30 year old neet
>sega leaves the console market
>the drought kills all my crops before the yearly harvest
SEGAAAAAAAAA
and controllers are pretty much impossible to repair for a normal person without learning real skills
What do you imagine would have been different, in regards to this, if SEGA had stayed in the console space?
Aside from the battery, what's so bad about modern controllers?
And the battery can be dealt with by just being careful.
I think a good part of the argument for Sony to stick around is the fact xbox has become a drm hellscape primarily focused on being a games-4-rent box and the fact that you need to literally register online your console before it works. There should absolutely be a counter option to that for the main stream big releases going forward and Playstation offers that by still providing hardware that works "out of the box" and not dependent on online services to even just get your system to turn on and be used when you get it. If M$ had their way, everyone would just play games on a box they made that requires a constant online connection and everything you play is a glorified rental period release. Frick that.
>There should absolutely be a counter option to that for the main stream big releases going forward and Playstation offers that by
doing the exact same things that Xbox is doing?
Reminder the FTC actually said some exclusives (Sony's) can be pro-consumer
My favorite was asking the FTC lawyer to explain what sort of inference she was supposed to draw from some stupid point they brought and then she straight up said the FTC was wrong and that she has the evidence in front of her to back up how wrong the FTC was lol
Hello Florian
>FTC lawyer says the deal could harm Sony
>judge immediately corrects them and says they don't care about that, they care about the potential harm to consumers
I'm still dumbfounded he didn't follow up with "In an industry made up of 3 console manufacturers, any action significantly disruptive that it causes one of those three to be forced out of the industry is inherently bad for consumers, as they now have less options, and the remaining companies have less competition to drive innovation."
Huh. It’s almost like Micheal Jackson was right about Sony.
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the ftc is lucky the judge doesn't know that sony DOES make games people want to play while ms DOES NOT, hence the market share discrepancy. if she knew about the industry she'd say "they have god of war horizon and spidey they're fine"
>people want to play horizon
Objection, speculation!
You'd assume that pumping $200M+ on a game is supposed to be one that people want.
Not really
Des remake and gow were games people wanted, but it was hard to market console sales with it
Those are the only two games I own for ps5, I wish there was more to play on it.
I've barely even touched god of war.
>but is there a reason why Sony can't just make games people would want to play?
They seem incapable of that.
Hell, I still don't have 60 fps bloodborne despite having a PS5 and I haven't touched the goddamn thing for a new game in months.
I use my VR headset more and you people make fun of THAT for being nogames, that's how dead it is.
Wouldn't that also apply to Microsoft? Why does Microsoft need CoD? Can't they also just make games people want to play?
Why would it?
Sony claims that they die without Activision, Microsoft just wants new publisher
That's semantics though. Why does Microsoft need this massive acquisition? Can't they just make games people want to play?
Because its easier to buy shit
>semantics
No, it's not
Microsoft doesn't need reason to buy shit
It's FTC job to prove it's bad for consumers if that's really the case.
Activision wanted someone to buy them and asked MS to do it. You dont need any more reason more than that.
>market collusion
Well, you aren't helping your case, anon.
If you had paid attention in history class, trusts develop through consolidation just like this. That's why we have trust busting laws in place to keep shit like this from happening
>That's why we have trust busting laws in place to keep shit like this from happening
No we fricking don't, we have trust busting laws in place to PRETEND like we keep shit like this from happening. Naturally the FTC would target this merger because it's the lowest hanging fruit imaginable. If they gave a single frick about consumers they'd be taking telecom companies out to pasture every second Thursday.
They don't NEED the acquisition. They WANT it.
I'm of the opinion a frickhuge corporation should prove they need a huge acquisition, but whatever. I find it funny the US was constantly talking about breaking up big tech because of how frickhuge they all are, but of course nothing came of it and now one wants to get even bigger and the US is humming and hawing about it like paid off hypocrites.
>I'm of the opinion a frickhuge corporation should prove they need a huge acquisition
Define "frick huge corporation"
You can argue they're being greedy, but greed isn't illegal, it's just capitalism.
They're well within their right to aquire Actiblizzion, the burden is on Sony to prove they can't.
>Why does Microsoft need this massive acquisition?
Gee I wonder why
Did Microsoft proved this in court?
Yes
or at least sony did not deny it
This is how they've all done their stupid console war exclusivity bullshit. Buying up studios so they can continue to do it unabated is good how? I'd fricking hate if sony bought up capcom, so why is anyone rooting for microsoft here? They all do this shit.
>so why is anyone rooting for microsoft here?
Because they're tired of Sony money hatting games off PC for a year every time
Sony keeps games out of the PC market and MS does not. That's it, that's the whole reason.
Also for all their faults MS are at least not hypocrites, crying that exclusivity hurts the competition in the same week FF16 came out as a third-party exclusive. If Sony wasn't doing the same thing they're trying to stop their competition from doing, I wouldn't have as much vitriol for them.
>Sony keeps games out of the PC market and MS does not
Sony is bringing their games to PC now too. But I think they only reason they're both doing it is because their consoles are floundering. If their consoles weren't floundering they can safely take games hostage there instead of risking them flopping as a result. A massive giga corp making huge acquisitions like this does no good for anyone and it'll just make Sony want to retaliate by trying to buy up studios themselves.
Frankly I'm of the opinion these corporations should already be getting broken up and that console manufacturers should only be allowed to make hardware and game studios should remain independent. The US was just recently making this big fuss about about breaking these tech corporations up so why is there even a debate here over whether this massive corporation should be allowed to make this huge acquisition to become even bigger? What happened to all that?
Oh yeah right just like FF16 isn’t being held off pc for a year because of sony
They're still bringing it to PC. Even just 10 years ago I'd have never thought I'd see the day that happens. And I think the only reason they're doing that is because consoles aren't as popular anymore. People want portability so it's basically just PC vs Nintendo at this point.
I agree it's not ideal, but I'd bet anything if the PS5 was selling like the PS2 all these games would be locked down exclusives to that system and would never see the light of day on the PC.
MS and Sony forcing each other to make acquisitions so they can have complete control and can hold more games hostage and force people into a hardware ecosystem just increases that risk of things going back to exclusivity with their next hardware endeavor, it doesn't benefit anyone.
>it's basically just PC vs nintendo
so the same as it always been since the xb360
sony shit the bed so hard it made consoles irrelevant
You're talking about what-ifs and I'm talking about what's happening right now.
Starfield is a game by a studio owned by Microsoft. I can play it on my PC the day it comes out and I don't even have to pay full price because it's included in my Game Pass sub. If I wanted to buy and "own" it, I could do that too.
FFXVI is a game that's made by a studio technically not even affiliated with Sony. I can't play it on my PC because Sony and Square Enix want me to buy a PS5, which I never will.
That's what's happening. So yeah, I'll take the side of the guy who's not keeping games away from me if I don't buy their shitty hardware. If MS wanted me to buy an Xbox to play Starfield, I'd tell them to eat shit too.
And before you start strawmanning, "I'm taking their side" doesn't mean Microsoft has my loyalty. If they change their tune and start going exclusive again they will lose me as a customer. Plain and simple.
I'm talking about what-ifs because it's important when giving corporations more power. I used to really like windows too, until MS killed off W7 purely so they could force cancer into every future version because they know they have a total stranglehold over that space and the vast majority of people will just go along with it.
Preventing problems before they arise is better than dealing with problems after they've arisen. What does giving MS activision & blizzard actually do for anyone? Their games are already all on PC anyway. Tying them to a console manufacturer just puts them at far more risk of going exclusive to that hardware somewhere down the line. This isn't about sony to me, I hate all these corporations. This is about giving microsoft more power and giving sony a huge reason to retaliate and make more acquisitions of their own, which, like you're talking about with those timed exclusives, you should really not want.
Not that guy but I'd trust MS over Sony any day because the entire world hate MS and keep them under close watch.
Sony could buy EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Square Enix, Capcom and SEGA tomorrow and no one would care.
Windows 7 was supported well after most companies would have pulled the plug. MS is the only one who does such longterm support. With proprietary software you're not entitled to endless support either. If it bothers you so much,, switch to Linux
>what happened to all that
bribery and swindlery
>Sony is bringing their games to PC now too.
two years after launch when MS puts theirs day one. the same strategy they have with their exclusivity deals
>Sony is bringing their games to PC now too
Nobody cares about ports that come years after the fact. If timed exclusivity wasn't effectively exclusivity but cheaper and with an asterisk, nobody would be doing that shit anymore. It fricks over customers all the same.
thank you Sony for the shitty ports 2 years later that don't even fricking work right
MS will put them on PC, Sony will do everything they can to prevent that. I'm never buying a console, so that's allI care about.
I wonder what microsoft will do if linux ever becomes large enough to be considered relevant, right now they're probably happy with games being on pc because a sale of a game on pc basically means someone is using windows, but how long will that last?
So, Sony shot them selves in the foot by trying to make Starfield exclusive, and then shot their other foot by paying Square to keep FF16 off of Xbox?
Fricking wow, now I hope this deal goes through. Frick Sony corrupt asses. They haven't had a good Video Game console since 2
>Why does Microsoft need this massive acquisition?
because sony refused to play fair and let xbox have final fantasy 14, remake 7 and remake 7-2
they had cuphead
and a bunch of other games
what does sony shit out? female lead ubisoft game which no one ever talks about but sees everywhere because of marketing money
garbage like GoW TLOU uncharted for california gays
do they have any real market appeal other than being the other option for buying call of duty for some exclusive bs?
Didn't cuphead release for basically everything?
Did it actually not get released to ps4/5?
I'm pretty sure switch has it, to say nothing of PC.
it did get released on ps4 but that does not change sony does not really fund actually good games
they put out trash as a excuse to buy their console following the braindead standards of AAAss games
everyone would have better games if they followed nintendo's standards for making games
I mean, both xbox and PS5 have largely fricking nothing at this point but at least ps5 had the des remake.
I couldn't care less about starfield so it's not like that does anything for me.
Both traditional consoles this gen absolutely shit the bed and I'd sell me ps5 in a heartbeat if there wasn't a chance that there'll be some psvr2 exclusive game like resi4 remastered the second I do.
Point out I'll just appeal and have her ruling thrown out because she has family working Microsoft so she had a personal stake in this ruling.
Anyone else enjoying the current snoy meltdowns over the trial? They are trying to gaslight themself into thinking the PI will be granted.
Completely losing it.
I dont think there's actually Xbox fans on Ganker or on the internet. At least not as much as they used to be. It's just PC gamers trying to support the side that brings the most games to them. Which is Xbox right now.
Sort of true, but for me it's more that I hate the proliferation of shitty AAA which seem to depend entirely on the existence of the status quo.
So as a PC gamer I don't care if Activision happens under Microsoft because either
>Sony needs to up its game and make more games like in the PS2 era to attract an audience
>Activision finally fricking breaks because Microsoft mismanages them
>status quo just remains but now Sony just gets something to replace CoD
It's basically only an up for me, worst case, nothing happens at all.
I have a pc, switch and ps5, I get all the content either way.
I'm not an Xbox 'fan', but I do own a Series X. It's a multiplat box for the TV, and GamePass is alright for trying things out that I wouldn't want to spend full price on.
I have a Switch, gaming PC, and a VCR Xbone.
I'm a huge xbox fan since day 1 but I'm not moronic fanboy that will buy whatever they release.
Xbox died with Kinect, which is a shame because the current xbox one/s/x UI is the best UI I've ever seen.
I'd buy a new xbox in a heartbeat for a new Halo game for instance but they've only released shovelware so far.
Or a Fable or Perfect Dark but that's never happening too
Has the xbox UI improved since the Xbox One? Saw one at a friends place and it looked fricking abysmal
The main UI is still just okay and the marketplace is trash but the game browser is fantastic.
It show you all your games, installed or not in an easy way and you can even filter them by types or features.
Also coming from Playstation with their giant line of game where you scroll forever, it's great to have a grid to display your games so you can see like 50 games instead of 8 which make browsing so much easier.
>I dont think there's actually Xbox fans on Ganker or on the internet. At least not as much as they used to be. It's just PC gamers trying to support the side that brings the most games to them. Which is Xbox right now.
Yeah that's about right. I got mistaken as an xbot multiple times but I've literally ever in my life owned an Xbox or played on it. I actually think xbox as a brand is disastrous, very mismanaged and has no direction probably won't exist in the next generation seeing how obsessed Microsoft is with the cloud and mobile experience more than the console. I want the merger to go through so I get more Activision games on steam. Probably revive some dead franchises too.
Xbox fan accounts on Twitter like Peteovo and Andrea and Eastwood are 100% paid btw, I've talked with Pete before, he's not much of a gamer and has never been
Isn't Andrea a man?
His whole points have been fricking moronic. He claimed that the buy out would hurt smaller studios, when the middle market has been gone for 2 generations now. Sony is spending the same money as movies on their games. We are already in the hellscape, but somehow he thinks everything is fine and dandy.
>He claimed that the buy out would hurt smaller studios
Smaller studios have had to flee Playstation to Switch and or PC.
NIS almost fricking died because of Playstation. In a combination of their games having stagnated like mad on their platform, and the game they developed in collaboration with Sony ending up a financial disaster.
Then they left the Playstation sphere and saved themselves.
Lots of developers have had to leave Playstation. Or at least been heavily incentivized to do so.
Pretty much
there's nothing that stops Playstation from turning into pic related again except extreme greed and probably grift from movieslop studios
I wish we had more AA games, and god forbid if people made polished 2D games in current year I would enjoy that too, especially with 3D elements and pretty effects to make them pop.
Why the frick do all of these games have to be blockbusters now?
Indies kind of took over that market
Remove Returnal from that image, it has a PC port
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1649240/Returnal/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1895880/Ratchet__Clank_Rift_Apart/
>there's nothing that stops Playstation from turning into pic related
What just being lucky and having 3rd party devs inexplicably make games for only you?
It seems so weird to me that the PS2 released in 2000. Like my memory tells me that the late 90s were all about the ps2 but apparently I did too many drugs.
And xbox also helps smaller and mid range games well. Gamepass and the id@ program greatly increase reach while removing a lot of risk.
Disgaea 6 did so well on switch that NIS were forced to port it to Playstation to get more sales. Too many people talk out of their ass on this board
Disgaea 6 was always on ps, NISA decided not to do a western port of 6 because of some feud with sony.
The game is out over here and has been for ages. This imaginary feud excuse is looking flimsy
you are a fricking homosexual, unlike snoys I don't make things up
https://nintendoeverything.com/nisa-deal-with-nintendo-for-snk-heroines-switch-outselling-ps4-versions-disgaea-5-near-200k-in-the-west/
>We’re starting to do more on Nintendo Switch. SNK Heroines is not the only one. They support us in a good way. Compared to that, Sony is not friendly with small publishers like us. They just care about big Japanese companies. Also, if we simultaneously release a Switch version and a PS4 version of the same title, currently the sales trend is two to one. That means the Switch version sells twice as much as the PS4 version. Physically and digitally. A lot of PS4 titles are coming up, so the market is very competitive. Compared to that, the Switch market still has lots of room for publishers to make money.”
Where's the almost died bullshit you were spewing? All I see here is that Sony isn't as friendly, nothing about them almost dying because of working with Sony. Nothing here about a fued either
That wasn't me, I called you out on the Disgaea 6 lie, but for the record that other anon is also dumb, NIS almost died because of the Disgaea Mobile shitshow I believe.
Whatever NIS and Sony problem was they obviously resolved it over time, but Japan had both versions from the start so it has to be something Sony of america related.
Later on Disgaea 7 was a bomb and Sony had exclusive marketing in Japan, so exclusive in fact that all the ads didn't even mention Switch in the fine print like it didn't even exist, Switch still outsold it.
Funny thing is that gamepass is the best workaround for getting smaller games funded and played. It gives smaller games exposure as well as give them money to cover their costs and in return everyone is happy including the consumers and the owner of the platform.
>in return everyone is happy including the consumers and the owner of the platform.
But what about Sony's shareholders? Yeah didn't think about the most important group in videogames did you.
I thought gaypass was more a way for Microsoft to push subscriptions over ownership
In Microsoft's eyes of course it is, especially when Phil is reporting to Nadella. It's still a great option for AA and indie games who have to hope they can get enough exposure from general discourse online to have their games be a success.
What exactly has it concretely given rise to in terms of games?
Nothing is real says gay who can't even make a good game post blizz lmao what a hack
>I don't know anything about law
>But let me tell you why everyone who does is wrong
On the flip side, gays here are confident it's going to be denied despite knowing nothing about the law either
>We come here with the claim and we don't have to prove anything, we only need to imagine crazy hypotheticals and the other side has to defend themselves from it, also lets leak some shit
Does it ever actually work in this moronic way?
Judge
>Well, If you look at slide 15, it is not that many Playstation players who play a lot of Call of Duty a year.
>And so I am trying to get how you get to that those people would buy an Xbox because Call of Duty is so important to them.
>How do you decide that Call of Duty is -so- important to them? It is to some people. Some. But how does he get to that percentage number that they would actually leave for Xbox?
>What data does he rely on?
FTC
>Well, I would encourage your honour, to look at the deceleration of Jim Ryan's testimony, where he is very clear about what financial impact Call of Duty has on the Playstation Platfo-
Judge
>That is not my question!
>My question is how your expert, Doctor Lee. He did a foreclosure model. And the foreclosure model inputted that 20% number.
FTC
>Yes.
Judge
>Yeah.
FTC:
>Sorry if I misunderstood your question. I think I get it now.
>So that 20% number. Comes from two main inputs. The first is the LTV. The five year expected lifetime revenue of a new Xbox owner. And as we presented to your honour, you know that LTV, is for the average Xbox... I am being careful with the numbers here... Umm and... as we showed your honour through I think a demonstrative, if you remember, with the different colours.
>Call of Duty games... compared to the average AAA title they sell quite a lot. They come out every year. Around October and November. And they are at the top of the charts. Even Call of Duty Vanguard. Which Activision has, time and time again said was a disappointment.
>That was the number one selling game. The year it came out.
>That's a disappointment to them, that's still for every other company. A huge win.
Judge
>So I am just saying, people who only play Call of Duty. Let's say 20 hours a year.
>Are they included in that 20% figure?
FTC
>Radio Silence
>Nothing
>Still silent
Judge
>Or could you even point me towards where in his report I should-
FTC
>Continued radio silence
*Higher-ups steps in to make excuses*
where can I see this hearings, yt only show up basedboys reading transcripts.
>where can I see this hearings
I got this link from the Ganker threads. All the youtube links that were shared got privated. Not a kick shill. Don't even. But here
https://kick.com/video/9900cf0f-58ff-4e4e-9fbc-b90e126146d0
The exchange cited in
in particular should start at 5:34:45.
There is a lot of gold throughout that 8 hour audio stream though.
Man. you say "FTC" is one side of that conversation but it honestly fricking reads like "judge vs. Sony lawyer". The American trade commission being basically the attorney of a Japanese conglomerate against an American one.
How cucked can you be?
The FTC was created to be the entire US Government's hatesink. When things get too heated, just have the FTC do something stupid to anger everyone from every part of the political spectrum.
Bidens lapdogs might be useless now but they aren't actively making things worse for computer users and the internet like this gay, at least not yet
>"judge vs. Sony lawyer"
He literally said "This would harm Sony" as one of his arguments.
not one, harming sony were all of his arguments.
>This would harm BRAND™! - Guy whose job is to protect customers and the market
Glad this judge at least seems to have her head on straight when she immediately cuts it off with "frick the brand, we're here to talk about how this impacts consumers".
Remember anon. SIE is Californian now.
So the answer is: very, *very* cucked.
The FTC exists to punish microsoft for being the one major tech titan that hasnt completely rolled over and submitted to the US government.
They haven't? Apple is the one who likes to pretend to care about user privacy even though they obviously don't. The rest all don't even give the impression of caring about it in the first place.
This like of questioning proves exactly why the regulators in the EU, UK, etc are full of shit. Very obvious snoy shills.
Why isn't bribery legal? Pay to win is fine so why not fully embrace it?
66% of PS5s have played <5 hours of CoD
It's simply not "essential"
it is for the 34%'s money. gaas games and gacha games are a lot closer than most people give them credit in the sense that the top 1% of spenders are 90% of the total revenue
I'm going to legit laugh my ass off if this hearing is going to end in cards-on-the-tables for the predatory gacha revenue model and is finally going to turn enough heads in government to consider that just maybe they should do something about that.
maybe not for gacha specifically, since they have a different monetization than gaas that don't have loot boxes, but we'll definitely have something over monetization of games in the near future
I would just start stuttering like a total moron, proceed to go off on weird, non-sensical tangents and just keep repeating the same phrases over and over again.
>be sony
>get the one boomer judge that actually plays video games
How unlucky for them. lmao
Out of interest, does the Activision purchase include Blizzard? Would MS then own Diablo etc? Or did Blizzard break off, or what?
It's Activision-Blizzard-King. It's everything. MS said the main reason why they want to buy them entirely is because all three of them make the most money off mobile. King has candy crush, Act has COD mobile, Blizzard has Diablo mobile and more games on the way. With these big mobile games, they can start to grow themselves on mobile since Xbox has no mobile expertise.
Oh great. So they'd presumably get THPS1+2HD off EGS exclusivity, Diablo etc on Gamepass, actually useful steps towards breaking shit off from Activision's shitty business practices?
Yes and expect to see all their games move to Steam just like what happened when the Zenimax purchase went through.
Then yeah, I'm 100% on board. Go Microsoft. Frick Sony, get your games, put them on Steam, thank you.
I'll believe it when I see it but it'd be nice to not have to do workarounds on the deck 2 whenever that happens.
Not only that but they desire a foothold on the Apple store as according to Phil Spencer they can't even release an app on iPhones. At least that's what I understood from his statements
>you say that they won't survive without CoD, but is there a reason why Sony can't just make games people would want to play? Works for Nintendo
Why it doesn't work for Microsoft?
Microsoft are still around though?
what does that even have to do with the argument? sony's case is over what they need and MS's is over what they want. and even then sony still buys multiple exclusivity deals without actually making new games
>what does that even have to do with the argument?
>but is there a reason why Sony can't just make games people would want to play? Works for Nintendo
Why it doesn't work for Microsoft? There is a reason why Microsoft can't just make games people would want to play? Works for Nintendo
Sony has quadruple the ips Microsoft have. Why can't Microsoft just game more games people would want to play instead of buying the entire market and monopolize the gaming market?
Who said Microsoft can't?
Why are you even bringing them into discussion?
>Who said Microsoft can't?
The fact they have stopped making new ips for 15 years and now are buying the entire gaming market.
>Why are you even bringing them into discussion?
They are the reason of this discussion.
No?
FTC and Sony's entire argument that without cod they die.
Microsoft just wants to buy Activision, nothing else.
>FTC and Sony's entire argument that without cod they die.
Which is true. If Microsoft blocks the biggest FPS on Playstation it would be a huge blow to Sony as not having CoD would make PS to not move as many consoles.
>Microsoft just wants to buy Activision, nothing else.
Yeah something so minimal as buying the biggest 3rd party developer in gaming.
THEY DONT WANT TO WITHOLD COD FROM ANYONE YOU DUNB FRICKING FTC c**t
THEY HAVE CONTRACTS TO BRING THE GAME TO EVEN MORE PLATFORMS THAN BEFORE JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH MINECRAFT
Reminder the FTC lawyer claimed the contracts don't actually mean anything and they'll just violate the contracts just because.
I'm kind of surprised Epic is below EA and Tencent is above Nintendo.
Tencent has the entire Chinese market by the balls. Nintendo has what, half of Japan and a few million grown men with arrested development overseas?
What stops Sony from making their own franchises? Works for Nintendo
>Which is true. If Microsoft blocks the biggest FPS on Playstation it would be a huge blow to Sony as not having CoD would make PS to not move as many consoles.
Sony already blocked the biggest fighting game and the biggest JRPG and were looking into blocking more games from the Xbox. MS is just trying to survive against their tactics.
>microsoft needs to make more games
>okay, we want to hire this development team to make-
>NO NOT THEM YOU CANT DO THAT
Actually think about your argument for a second before you spout it out
You are stupid because Microsoft are buying well established franchises, not making their own new ips. You are moronic and have no argument.
You know what? Im not even going to contest your point here. I am stupid and moronic. Congrats.
Maybe you should an email to the judge about how you proved that I am stilupid and moronic so now she needs to turn over the case. Seems like a winning strategy.
>MS needs more games
>so they buy more developers
I see no issues with this. MS is doing what they can to make more games.
again anon that's besides the point. nobody is arguing what microsoft can and can't do. sony was the one to say they can't survive without third parties
>but microsoft wanting to buy other studios must mean the same
no they just want to expand their business by buying another studio.
Why not expand their business by creating another studio?
Because that's besides the point
They want to buy activision
No, they want to buy the competition and that's anti competitive and monopolistic. They can create another studio why can't they do it? It works for Nintendo.
Sony has ips quadruple that of Microsoft. Where's Microsoft new ips?
>where's microsoft's new ips
the same place that they are everywhere
being bought out by competition
because sony does not actually make games
Again, Microsoft never said they need Activision. Or how they die without it
They want to buy them because they were on sale and they can, nothing more.
Activision offered themselves to MS at a low price because MS is the only company big enough to buy them up entirely and they dont want to divest and break themselves up. Then you look at MS's leaked emails and never in their wildest dreams did they think they could buy activision and the company fits 100% into their future plans without having them to fire or remove large parts of the company either.
No corporations spends money on other corporations they don't need specially these big greedy corporations like Microsoft that would rather enter a market and develop no new ips for more than 15 years to save on cash but then go on spending sprees buying all big players on the game. You Microsoft people are dumb dumb.
They are doing that as well with old and new studios alike.
Developers don't grow on trees so aquiriing studios fixes that issue.
because that's not the point. it's their money and they are entitled to use it however they want. much like Sony would rather spend on hoarding third party games rather than making their own
>FCC
Now you remember Ajit Pai
Honestly, frick all the parties involved. At first, I thought Sony was a necessary evil to keep Microshit at bay from making their walled garden monopoly but now that the shitshow has started and these are guys fighting for Sony.
In any way, the merger passing or not, we all lose. Frick this gay world.
FTC, not FCC
>all that drama just for him to win in the end
We really can't do anything, can we?
CoD has been in the shitter for years and won't even be relevant once xDefiant drops, so I don't see Sony taking much of a hit once this buyout happens. Worse case scenario, Sony just ends up falling a bit behind like Nintendo while Microwiener presses forward with Starfield, nuMW3, and other 4K garbage on the SeX
Sony has invested so much into trying to stop this deal that just the moral hit of it coming through would make them look (more) like clowns.
And would probably get Jim Ryan fired which is why he's making it a personal crusade to stop it at any cost.
Each time sony can delay the buyout by an entire CoD release cycle they stand to gain hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more, and cause their competition to lose a similar amount.
>Nobody feels sad for Google
-Whatever the name of the judge is
how will it all end in your opinion, dudes? will xbox stay with Activision?
will they later let microsoft buy Square Enix and Sega, (as the rumors strongly say now), without problems after this? Or will the Activision thing be a precedent and we will see more of this shit?
Unless some background deals and bribes happen the deal will probably go through. There's no legal ground on which to stop it other than "it hurts Sony's feelings". It won't create a monopoly, Sony still has ten times the console market share that MS does and an insignificant number of people would jump platform to Xbox or PC just because that's where you play CoD now, and that's even with the assumption that CoD will be pulled out of PS, which MS repeatedly claims won't happen at least in the near future.
Buying Japanese companies is a whole other can of worms. Square wouldn't sell to Microsoft because their entire board of directors are old japs with mafia ties who are happily Sony's b***h because tradition, and Sega already said that, even though they do value the partnership and believe that MS values them more than the other two, they're not looking to sell.
the business model that Microsoft is looking to pursue will rely on users playing remotely on nearly whatever low spec device, with the actual hardware required to run the games being owned and operated by Microsoft at their facilities. Think of giant warehouses full of computer components. This will create massive downwards price pressure on the next generation of traditional consoles, who will have to add value to convince people to spend +$500 on hardware they no longer need to purchase to continue playing the newest games as they come out. Microsoft is a going to beat Sony and Nintendo to the punch, and they will have no choice but to follow suit. Because it's a much cheaper business model with far lower not costs that offers them far greater control on the supply side. They will have their hand o ln the tap, and within a few years of the "exciting and low cost" fun cool new way of gaming solidifies as the industry standard, everyone will be due for getting fricked right up the ass as Microsoft starts charging more and more, offering less and less, and there's nothing anyone can do about it anymore. They will have an absolute vertically integrated monopoly. Everyone will fall for the subscription model ruse, and refuse to believe that things won't always be this sweet. So it goes
Not with that latency
They have a free pass to buy square enix, now that they have set precedent (microsoft) how sony pays to exclude xbox games. So Square Enix would be the perfect example of that.
That would require them to be able to afford SE
come on
SE’s market cap is almost the same as the amount Sony (the entire company) has available to spend, and thats not even including that it costs much more than the Market Cap to buy a company unless they are in massively deep shit like how Activiblizz was
With all due respect judge, but you sound like an xloser and surely they are bribing you. *walks away slowly*
>sega has never made a good video game
snoy brainrot at it's finest
Then why they died?
the same reasoning why microsoft has no chance dirty tricks
Western developers can't make good games
Explain forza
killzone resistance bros its our time.......
LOL
Killzone could've been decent competition for prime Halo if Sont understood what made Halo good. Killzone didn't really lag behind in gameplay.
What it never had and never could figure out was spectacle and heart. People say FPS protagonists are not characters, but MC is a goddamn character and, along with Cortana, he was the heart of those games; meanwhile, Killzone basically has no characters, the most memorable and charismatic one is the main villain. And even from the very first outing Halo had spectacle, something Killzone wouldn't get until Killzone 2 and even then it wasn't at the same level right up until the end of the game.
I miss Resistance 2 coop so much... Best triangle ever created.
>next is SEGA
>main Phantasy Star main game is announced
>Phantasy Star 5 - Drakfalz returns
Sega has executives who are massive Sony fanboys, but even as full corporation Sony doesn't have money to afford them
>Sega has executives who are massive Sony fanboys
Sega stated one of these days, because of the rumors that Microsoft was looking to buy them, that they think Microsoft values them more than Sony and Nintendo do, hence all the Game Pass deals lately.
But they're not for sale, at least not right now.
If I were Xbox I would go for Take-Two next. Having both CoD and GTA seems like the way to go
No more fun streams, right?
They won't broadcast the judge's ruling?
Playstation's appeal was always third party since the PS1. It's just suffered horribly from a combination of Sony taking devs for granted and the rising costs of development making it a lot less appealing, which is funny since being cheap was, again, what attracted third party developers to the PS1.
that's basically the entire reason the playstation classic failed. almost none of the games people liked in the system were sony's so they would need to pay to put them there
That one was just baffling. They own the Twisted Metal series, so they could have put more games in than just the first one. For example.
Also Playstation All-Stars.
I dont think twisted metal is a system mover alone. Also massive kek to playstation all stars, I feel like they wanna pretend it didnt happen. They might not even be able to rerelease it because it had third party characters who's licenses may have expired.
*Gets on the floor*
*Does the worm*
*Continues to do the worm for several minutes*
*Gets up*
I rest my case.
that was more completing than whatever the ftc was trying to accomplish.
Never in a million years would I have though I'd see a woman understand gaming so well. In a legal setting of all things
Maybe you should udpate your 30 year outdated image of gaming demogrpahics that was always wrong and only grounded on some boomer CEO deciding that videogames will now be marketed as boy toys during NES era.
Tell me how it goes the next time your on a date and you tell her that your hobby is gaming.
Why would I go on a date with a bimbo who hates videogames? Plenty of men hate them too lmao.
Tell me the last time you met a halfway competent woman that played games as an actual hobby
>Tell me the last time you met a halfway competent woman
Trick question. There's no such thing.
Sorry you are so bitter in life and blame women.
Where the shit did I say a blame women for anything? Red herring tossing homosexual
this is only half true.
games were marketed towards boys not because girls didn’t play games or even because they didn’t want more girls to play games but because they knew that if they could reach critical mass in acceptance among boys, girls would follow. This is because girls are largely imitative in what they buy, they want to be seen as cool or attractive by boys and thus follow their trends. This is supported by the relatively recent mass adoption of gaming in one form or another by women over the last 20 years, long before many of these companies became “conscious”. even during the height of directed advertisement of games to men, the share of women gamers grew. This became even easier when stuff like puzzle and mobile games got big since it allowed women to self identify as gamers (to attract men) without having to master any of the mechanically difficult games associated with the term.
the only products that are truly gender exclusive are ones who advertise directly to girls, like hair care and cosmetics, which also is why girls versions of them tend to be higher priced, because women have less restraint in spending.
This is why games continue to be primarily advertised to men even with all the superficial larping about equality. It would kill the market if they actually went full commitment on pivoting advertising to women. Men will not do something if it’s associated with women but women are more likely to desire sometbing if it’s associated with men is the basic logic
there’s a ton of consumer and purchasing data collected over the years that show this behaviour and demonstrate clear differences in men and women.
Show them sales data for PS games.
That's just sony being ass at making good games. That's not an argument against why they CAN'T make good games. Other companies shouldn't have to bend over backwards just because their competitors in incompetent
>obviously bribed judge is based
see
the FTC is literally there to defend sony
you keep saying "biased" but you haven't been able to actually elaborate on what she's doing that is actually biased.
No, Sony can't make video games because Sony is a gaming platform provider and a game publisher. Their job is to censor and ban video games that other people make and then charge customers for online access.
They try to block this, but no one tried to block that one start up saudi golf company from merging with its only competition.
Crazy world.
Sports regulation is generally regarded as unable to really avoid natural monopolies.
The FTC is run by an idealogue idiot who has tried to push "Big company bad" as a valid reason to block M&A activity in America because the FTC let Facebook/Instagram through a decade ago. While also burning through staff and money like crazy going after cases in which they have no hope of winning because of ideology over rational thought. And the FTC is 0-9 under her tenure in big cases because judges are not buying "Big company bad" as a valid argument. Going after PGA/LIV would be a solid case for them they would have a chance of winning but they aren't interested because it's not big enough. Or even if they wanted to get a "Big" victory, they could have decided to file a major anti-trust case against Ticketmaster.
I think this is the biggest problem when it comes down to it. I don't think the FTC understands or even gives a shit about the implications this deal would have on the gaming industry. They just want a W against Microsoft and that's it. If it was Sony or Nintendo buying them, I don't think the FTC would have cared.
I'm curious why anyone on Ganker would want this deal stopped. Microsoft is the only brand from the big 3 willing to launch each and every title with 3 different ways to play it (GP, xbone, PC). This means you can either have a phone, an xbox, or a PC to play their games, where as Sony and Nintendo demand you buy their hardware for their exclusives.
Imagine we're back during the days when current gen systems were hell to find. It was either pay scalper prices and get taken advantage of, or wait almost a year for a restock. Who the frick wants to do that for a game you really want to play?
Snoy's are cult
only sony fanboys are against it, genuinely everyone gets something good out of this deal, even those snoys since sony would have to start to try again and put some effort to compete.
It's literally just snoys who are assmad they won't get activision/blizzard games anymore. I don't think there's a single non-snoy who is actually against it.
Nothing's stopping Activision from doing that without MS buying them.
If Sony wasn't being such an asshat and actively trying to make the industry worse I'd be against it.
But since Sony won't stop on their own I'm fine with it
Microsoft is unironically ahead of the curve on this one. Their home console is dead but that's because competition in that market is basically over, but then Microsoft also has multiple contingency plans active for when the console game market finally folds for good while Sony is just releasing shit on Steam a year after their console releases.
>for when the console game market finally folds for good while
1080p game streaming barely works, how is console gaming on the way out?
Nintendo makes the only portable game console.
Sony makes the only home console.
Microsoft makes a PC that can't run Steam.
These companies aren't really in competition with each other anymore and Microsoft is doing their best to get out of the market.
Consoles also have far less exclusive games to sell specific systems, partly because the hardware differences between modern gaming systems is minimal, and partly because AAA game development is so bloated the average console game takes ten years to produce. A platform exclusive video game is most likely to be a PC exclusive now.
Entertain yourself with this list of lists if you will:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Single-platform_video_games
Exclusive release numbers only go down with time as hardware homogenizes. To the point where XBOX X/S isn't even a category.
With this trajectory there won't be a next gen XBOX and the next gen PlayStation isn't going to have any games. The console gaming market is in a total stalemate.
>is shitting up windows because they have a monopoly on the os space
>immediately shat up consoles with things like paid online the moment they enter it
The nintendo fanboys who just want to see sony get fricked over, consequences be damned, are shortsighted and stupid. Even if microsoft wasn't a shit corporation, just kept right on releasing everything on pc forever and never went back to trying to have console exclusives, this won't kill sony. Sony'll just retaliate by making their own acquisitions which nobody should want. Sony is not just going to lay down and cry and do nothing but be an easy target of mockery if this deal goes through and people are seriously stupid if they think they will.
spotted the sony fanboy
Spotted someone who can't read.
Do you own a PS5?
No. I've never even owned any playstation system. I'm arguing in favor of pc and not having to buy worthless anti-consumer hardware just because games are locked down to them.
>which nobody should want.
Why?
Sony failed to give me a single reason to want buy their console after first year
As consumer I would benefit if they tried to cater to me, instead of current situation.
360/ps3 years were great for industry(outside of lasting almost decade) because high amount of worthy games on both consoles
Because exclusives are anti-consumer cancer. Why do you want to have to buy another $400-500 device that's worthless in and of itself aside from the games it's taking hostage? It's a good thing these games are coming to PC. Taking them hostage on DRM boxes like consoles so people are forced into buying them to get the games isn't something anyone should want.
Sony has been that shit for years, and not even in house exclusives either, yet no one gave a shit
>W-WELL THATS BAD TOO
never saw anyone complaining then so I dont care
People gave a shit just like people say Nintendo should go 3rd party by bringing their games to PC. There's no reason to be loud and annoying about that though because it's not going to do anything and nobody expected or expects it to happen, at least not any time soon.
Dunno
Every game what went multiplat lost its soul
Compare me1 to me2, for example
Or des with das(objectively)
Also there generally more effort being put into exclusives being install base is limited, so you would want to attract as big core fanbase as possible, while multiplats can just pander to everyone and be forgotten month after
Sony Exclusive deals for the past 5 years:
2017
Resident Evil 7 (full promotional deal, MS is not even allowed to sell bundles)
Nier Automata (timed exclusive)
Fifa 18 (full promotional deal, etc)
Call of Duty WWII (full promotional deal, etc)
Star Wars Battlefront II (full promotional deal, etc)
Nioh (console exclusive)
Hellblade (timed exclusive)
2018
Fifa 19 (full promotional deal, etc)
Red Dead Redemption 2 (full promotional deal, etc)
Call of Duty Black Ops 4 (full promotional deal, etc)
2019
Death Stranding (console exclusive)
Fifa 20 (full promotional deal, etc)
COD Modern Warfare (full promotional deal, etc)
Terminator Resistance (console exclusive DLC)
2020
Street Fighter V CE (console exclusive)
Final Fantasy 7R (console exclusive)
Nioh 2 (console exclusive)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Campaign Remastered (timed exclusive)
Persona 5 Royal (console exclusive
Marvel's Avengers (full promotional deal, exclusive character and missions)
Godfall (console exclusive)
Fifa 21 (full promotional deal, etc)
Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War (full promotional deal, etc)
2021
Disco Elysium (timed exclusive)
Resident Evil 8 (full promotional deal, etc)
Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown (console exclusive)
Final Fantasy 7R Intergrade (console exclusive)
Call of Duty Vanguard (full promotional deal, etc)
Fifa 22 (full promotional deal, etc)
Deathloop (timed exclusive)
2022
Sifu (console exclusive)
Ghostwire: Tokyo (timed exclusive)
Sword and Fairy: Together Forever (console exclusive but then timed exclusive)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (full promotional deal, etc)
Fifa 23 (full promotional deal, etc)
Stray (console exclusive but then timed exclusive)
2023
Resident Evil 4 (no prevgen version on Xbox)
Street Fighter 6 (no prevgen version on Xbox)
Forspoken (console exclusive)
Final Fantasy 16 (console exclusive)
Hogwarts Legacy (full promotional deal, etc)
Octopath Traveler II (paid to straight up exclude Xbox)
>Virtua Fighter 5: Ultimate Showdown (console exclusive)
Actually, that's a full exclusive so far. It wasn't even released on PC.
>exclusives are anti-consumer cancer
This but the opposite.
>buy another $400-500 device that's worthless in and of itself aside from the games it's taking hostage?
Another? Lol that PC thing
To get a system comparable performance wise to say a PS5 or XSX you're going to have to splurge a bit..
And hardware troubleshooting is a b***h. People like to say that building a PC is like "adult legos" but Legos don't have to post, I don't need to figure out what piece is at fault when it won't boot, etc.
At this time, more expensive up front.
>sony can do no wrong and exclusives are cancer
>btw buy a PS5 to play FFXVI day one goyim
>reading comprehension
>exclusives are anti consumer
>this is why I'm complaining about microsoft when they put their games on PC day one but not Sony that puts them years later
>again reading comprehension
>no argument
Yes. I'm not arguing with someone who can't understand what I said.
I'm not talking about our conversation tho. your posts are moronic and you should take sony's wiener out of your mouth before speaking
>I'm not talking about our conversation tho
Because we never had one. You're the type of shortsighted fanboy moron I was talking about and I'm glad my post upset you.
>upset you
pure projection mate. I don't need to be upset to call moronic posts moronic
You do if you fail at understanding them this badly to start lashing out over it. I get that you're likely just a nintendo fanboy upset I called you short sighted and stupid and shat on exclusives, but pc can hate you morons every bit as much as the sony fanboys can.
no you mongoloid I'm just telling your sony fanboy ass that you're moronic. there is no reason for PC players to complain about exclusives and this deal when microsoft is the one putting their games on PC day one and sony is doing
there is no reason for you to defend sony this much
The new snoy cope argument is to pretend to be PC gaymers instead of snoys.
I haven't defended sony a single time in this thread and I've been shitting on consoles and exclusivity this whole time. You are an assblasted nintendo fanboy who's too stupid to think anyone other than your equally moronic counterparts would be against a shitty giga corporation like microsoft acquiring more power, the repercussions of that and how sony would undoubtedly respond with their own acquisitions, which nobody should want, least of all a braindead nintendo fanboy. I get these threads are just a thinly veiled excuse for console wars and to pray for sony to eat shit, but you're shortsighted and dumb.
>I haven't defended sony a single time in this thread
>w-well the deal is evil because MS bad and sony good
>anyone that doesn't oppose the deal is an anti snoy fanboy
kek
>I can make up bullshit with greentext kek
Very cool.
>defend sony
>making fun of their shitty exclusives and anti-consumer behavior
Anon?
shat up consoles with things like paid online the moment they enter it
Except that Xbox was dying in their own little corner, ignored and irrelevant. Their garbage affecting no one but moronic dudebros and the dimwitted.
But then Sony made Xbox's shit the industry standard. And now we're never going to be free from it.
Yeah Microsoft and Xbox are awful. Genuinely.
But I also have no faith in Microsoft doing anything but squandering ActiBlizz. I doubt Xbox acquiring ActiBlizz somehow revolutionise Xbox.
It would however put some real fire under Playstation when coasting on their big 3 is no longer a sustainable business model.
I just want Playstation to invest in internal dev talent again, actually cultivating said talent. And prioritize games development again. Because that really has not been the case at all, outside GAAS shit or some very narrow avenues.
Playstation actually used to have variety. And quantity. Even in their first party offerings. And that made for some real quality.
They no longer have that at all. As far as I am concerned, modern Playstation should either change or perish. Even if Xbox is not and has never been relevant, I can't really see any value in Playstation currently either. And this acquisition might actually force them to change. And even if that doesn't guarantee change for the better, I'd gladly take it over modern Playstation just carrying on as they've currently been doing. If they're forced to change then there is at least a chance.
>As far as I am concerned, modern Playstation should either change or perish
I'd rather they perish. They'll never go back to the way things were and I can't see anything good coming from this acquisition. If microsoft get activision, sony is just going to try and buy up some other big name(s) to compete and I really do not want to know who those might be.
Go check reddit and you'll see that most people there are against this deal. Its the redditors that area leaking here
Be honest, would you?
Was it really so difficult to say
>Consumers buy consoles because setting up a PC can be very difficult for people unfamiliar and involves a lot of steps just to be ready to play games, while consoles like the Xbox and PS5 are plug-and-play
>Consumers have had the expectation that CoD will be on each major console and those who have already purchased a PS5 expecting to get each new CoD release for this generation must now buy an Xbox or go through the difficulty of getting a PC to continue playing CoD, and CoD players already make up a large % of PS owners
instead of just thinking solely about Sony's bottom line?
Because every inch of this fight has never been about the customers which would've at least been a coherent place to start from, both the FTC and the CMA have basically just been proxy cudgels for Sony themselves, to the point the CMA refused to even talk about the meeting it had with Sony with asked by Parliament.
If they went that way MS could just say that it only happened because of Sony bought exclusive content for it and it's their only way to fight back.
And Sony is still paying publisher to stop them from releasing games on xbox.
Really, Sony dug their own grave by being this anti consumer in the first place.
>Consumers have had the expectation that CoD will be on each major console and those who have already purchased a PS5 expecting to get each new CoD release for this generation must now buy an Xbox or go through the difficulty of getting a PC to continue playing CoD, and CoD players already make up a large % of PS owners
This came up during the argument on friday. The judge dismissed it with the reason that most people already have a PC powerful to play Call of Duty due to the pandemic lockdown and if they don't there is nothing stopping them from just buying one or a a Xbox so there is no harm done to the consumer. She also argued that the amount of people who would consider switching to Xbox just for Call of Duty is very low because the average playtime of COD is only 20 hours a year so the game can't be that important to the average playstation player.
That makes sense, I haven't kept up with anything but I appreciate that it sounds like an immediate diss against GAAS shit
When are they announcing the results
Judge said she will try to have it as soon as possible so hopefully next week, now CMA is another can of worms that I don't understand how long it will take.
Wonder how many fricking normalgays are gonna be confused when they cant but the next cod on playtation. the seethe will be glorious
CoD will continued to be released on the PS5 for the remainder of this gen. If gamers still don't know by PS6 that CoD might become console exclusive to Xbox, that's their own ignorance.
Even more reason to just buy a steam deck or asus if worried about losing their precious game.
all this court case proved is that the old sony is dead and anyone defending them at this point is a moron that never grew up with the ps1-ps2 generation
Anyone hyped for Elder Scrolls 16?
I'm more of a Final Fantasy 6 Remake kinda guy
for me it's that Thor game 3
I was thinking the other day, why hasn't the FTC said shit about EA buying out the rights to be the only company that can make NFL games? That was and continues to be something that heavily impacts consumers as any and all competition was entirely removed and has resulted in a monopoly on NFL licensed video games
Nintendo is financially carried by a cultural worship from nips. The FTC judges monopolies under the context of AMERICAN financial sectors and Nintendo's AMERICAN sales would not be solely enough to keep it afloat. They effectively don't compete in the American market and whatever sales they get from tendie golems is just a bonus from their nip consoomers.
What a weird cope
More than 75% of their sales come out from outside japan
Yes that's how economies of scale work, anon. 98.5% of people in the world don't live in Japan. HOWEVER, because such a high percentage of nips worship at the tendie altar, Japan culturally exports a much more potent pro-Nintendo message which reflects in their sales out of Japan. Likewise, that 75% skews downward drastically if you factor out Pokemon Company's earnings since mutts obsess over pokechus.
>Japan liking Nintendo is bad
what form of cope is this?
Snoy cope. Nintendo being successfull in every corner of the world goes agaist his "Japan is a dead market and Sony had no other option go to California to succeed" narrative
I wish you were the FTC lawyer, case would have been dropped on day one
>Nintendo's AMERICAN sales would not be solely enough to keep it afloat. They effectively don't compete in the American market and whatever sales they get from tendie golems is just a bonus from their nip consoomers.
What the frick are you talking about? The US is Nintendo's biggest market
You guys are forgetting that this is Activision, Blizzard, and some mobile company.
Does gaming really lose anything here? I mean, really?
Call of Duty, yes.
>nu-COD
Again, what are we really losing here?
Call of Duty, trust me, I'm the FTC
It loses when my side doesn't win
On the market end, no, but Sony fanboys don't want to say out loud that the bulk of Playstation's success is just being a COD+FIFA machine, and that Sony couldn't afford to make its movie games if they weren't skimming off COD/Warzone money.
The AAA gaming industry is fighting over who gets to sit on the shitter in the sub.
>King
>Some mobile company
>some mobile company
It's fricking King, the Candy Crush guys.
>Does gaming really lose anything here?
Not really unless you're Sony I guess.
Mobile shit is going to get absorbed by YouTube anon.
I think there is something actually wrong with the sony fanbase.
I didn't even know about any of this console war shit until about a year ago.
Listening to this trial was such a gold mine. the final day especially when FTC spilled enough spaghetti to end world hunger.
>FTC saying them being expected to actually review the deals Microsoft offered was unfair
>We can't prove the deal is bad for consumers but we think it might be
>Leaked emails saying they didn't want her as the judge
>Using a sharpie to redact documents
>Judge cutting off FTC lawyers multiple times to remind them they aren't there to represent the impact to Sony but to the consumer
emails saying they didn't want her as the judge
This is new for me, where can i see the source of this?
The current cooperate culture is not about making things from scratch, and the work force hired nowadays don't have it in them to make new, good things.
I think Sony is overblowing it, but that's dumb reasoning. CoD has been a multi-billion dollar juggernaut for like 15 years now. You can't just pull something like that out of thin air.
And by her logic Microsoft can't seem to manage it either, which is why they want to buy ABK.
Whether Microsoft can or not isn't relevant. Sony is the one getting slapped because they're the ones claiming competing without CoD is impossible.
What I want to know is how the FTC expects anyone to ever compete with Sony without buyouts like this.
The second Amazon or Samsung gets any funny ideas Sony starts waving around exclusivity money and no new console ever gets off the ground.
Use the judge's logic. Microsoft has infinite money basically, why can't they make a good game too? It's pretty bad reasoning tbh because stablished IP is king and it's extremely hard to get new IP off the ground.
I don't think Sony could ever stop Amazon or Samsung from making a console. They both have way more money to offer for exclusivity. They just don't want to make consoles. The cost of entry is massive and not worth it, which is why Amazon is working more on cloud gaming.
>Use the judge's logic. Microsoft has infinite money basically, why can't they make a good game too? It's pretty bad reasoning tbh because stablished IP is king and it's extremely hard to get new IP off the ground.
the point is that sony in their own way buy games tio be on their platform. unless MS either buys the same types of deals or other companies nothing would change. also the judge's logic isn't without context. this question of "why doesn't X make games? worked for Y" doesn't come for those claiming they can't compete without certain games
It's not really the same. Signing a year-long deal for something lke FF16 isn't the same as straight buying a company for like 80 billion dollars.
I do think Sony is overblowing it though. People don't buy PS5s just to play CoD and MS will probably find a way to frick it up like they did Halo.
>It's not really the same. Signing a year-long deal for something lke FF16 isn't the same as straight buying a company for like 80 billion dollars.
for the consumer? how so?
>sony buys exclusivity for game
>game comes to PC months/years later and possibly skips xbox
>MS buys company
>game comes to PC day one and possibly skips playstation
they're either just as bad or the MS one is slightly better because of the PC situation
Well, if it's timed you'll probably get it eventually. If it's bought out that might not happen at all. But it's more from the perspective of the overall market that it isn't the same. And over the long term.
The point is they clearly also believe establishing new IP is hard, so telling Sony just make new IP is kind of a useless observation,
>so telling Sony just make new IP
nobody really said that. they have multiple IPs that they do nothing with. ffs they killed their fps IPs to not compete with cod
>ffs they killed their fps IPs to not compete with cod
It really should be pointed out more often that Playstation's currently, relatively brittle situation that they've found themselves in. Is entirely of their own making.
Imagine fricking your business like this and then just be bailed out.
No one told Sony to make new ip, judge asked why couldn't they just make games
Not replace cod
>Just make games?
Man this trial is a shitpost dream
You're too stupid to understand that arguing in circles doesn't magically change the answers you want.
Brother i'm just commenting on this whole trial
>Just make games?
>Nintendo is better
>PC is Luxury
>We're not here because of Sony
>The sharpies
And so on. It's like a fever dream of console-war threads except in a real court, it's ridiculous.
>Well, if it's timed you'll probably get it eventually.
I am so fricking tired of this argument. Where is FF7 on Xbox then? If it's even half as popular and successful as this board made it seem then there is ZERO reason squarenix wouldn't have ported it by now to get some more bucks. I would love to see the one year exclusive deal for FF7 and exactly what all it entailed.
You'd be surprised. My 60 year old dad has a PS4 (hasn't upgraded to a PS5 yet) and literally all he plays is CoD, every day.
Your post doesn't follow any logic
Why would Microsoft bother with it, when they can just buy Activision who wants to be bought?
They don't actually care for the gaming market. All Kahn's FTC cares about is winning against big tech even if that means helping an established leader exert even more dominance in the space and use that market leader's own talking points as part of the evidence. That's the biggest problem with this case in general. The FTC has approached it in an incredibly asinine way. If they lose, it's just another loss for Lina Kahn's ideology. If they win, that just shows that the FTC is willing to protect market leaders as long as it suits their agenda which is a really fricking terrible precedent to set. It's just colossally bad all around
Theres nothing wrong with Khan losing, all it will do is just replace her faster
Brandon's put up with her being a massive loser and not going after popular and needed wins like filing an anti-trust suit against Ticketmaster. Those are the battles she should have picked and likely could have won. Not a standard vertical merger because the price tag was eye-wateringly big and one of the companies involved was a tech giant.
The actual problem is that once MS becomes an actual video game monopoly, it would be far too late to do anything about it.
reminder that PC gaming is ULTRA LUXURY
And Switch is superior, never forget!
the real answer is they can't because their brand is now these pretentious moviegames for people who don't like video games lol, that's why they're so reliant on third party titles like CoD to keep the fart sniffing festival afloat
she won
she looks like Anita...
In what way? The hair? This lady has got rounded facial features. Anita was a pointy figure.
I'm so glad Sony is being made to look like incompetent idiots and the cope of their fanbase is delicious. The best part of trial was Phil revealing that Sony uses the profits of games like Minecraft which Microsoft put on their system to then pay devs to keep games off Xbox.
Yeah, then we found out Phil wanted to make minecraft exclusive but couldn't because of contracts. You can't play the victim when your actions are revealed to be in lock step with doing as much damage to the competitor you're crying about doing the same to you
What's your fricking point? That he honored the contract instead of just buying out the penalty?
Intentions moron. You can't whine about your competitor doing harm to you when you're riding to do the same harm. Honoring contracts made before MS stepped in doesn't make Spencer a good person or a victim. We already know that for all their crying about Sony blocking games, they were doing the same thing
This whole thing is stupid.
MS is not going to become a monopoly in the game industry because they are buying COD and will inevitably run it into the ground.
Meanwhile actual monopolies, like Luxottica in the glasses industry, are able to get away with their bullshit on stuff people actually need.
Just tuned in to this FTC thing. So long story short Microsoft wants to buy exclusive rights Call of Duty and Sony doesn't let them? Who on earth would even get mad at this? FPS are designed for PCs anyway aren't they? Who on earth would play this shit on consoles?
No you dummy, MS wants to buy Activision / Blizzard / King, sony and the ftc are sperging that MS will make CoD exclusive and that would make gaming implode.
>sony and the ftc are sperging that MS will make CoD exclusive and that would make gaming implode
How? This only seems like a netloss for the Sonybrand.
The FTC have revealed themselves to be glorified sony shills despite being a US government backed institution
It's less that they're sony shills and far more that they just really really want a scalp and sony is a useful idiot to cling onto since no one else is stupid enough to bat for this moronic shitshow.
It's all good entertainment though. It makes for a more compelling movie than any sony exclusive so far.
Which is why the judge called them out that they should care about the harm to consumers, not sony, FTC's whole argument was that this and that harms sony sony sony, someone counted and ftc mentioned sony like 1XX times and consumers less than like 20.
and even if MS keeps their word and CoD will stay on Playstation forever, the FTC are worried about Xbox getting an excusive skin or character and devaluing the Playstation version
they are worried about MS doing what Sony does right this very second for many games including CoD
It was pretty funny when the ftc suggested those exclusivity things and the judge immediately interrupts them to say "so just like sony does" and then the ftc got quiet, she had one loaded in the chamber.
Yeah, then MS admitted they block games too while crying about Sony doing it
You people are genuine morons, it's not about exclusives. It's about one of the richest companies in the world trying to buy the largest US game publisher on an effort to consolidate. I like how everyone forgets all of the dirty laundry that MS just had aired in regards to their intentions in the industry as well as the fact that for all of their whining about Sony blocking games, MS was doing the exact same thing. All of the reasons they used as justification for their acquisition were founded on a faulty basis buy this is Ganker where Sony lives in heads rent free and anything that hurts them regardless of the long term harm makes morons happy
go suck your Black person loving masters goy
>MS will make CoD exclusive
Microsoft tirade is to win the market Amazon and Google were supposed going to take over with a business model based on subscriptions to cloud gaming and they themselves stated they have no interest in making anything exclusive in that, they rather have the gamepass be available in Playstation, PC and Switch so they do not have to carry the burden of releasing game systems at a lost.
So the situation is much worse in the overall scheme of things but ultimately Microsoft is retiring from the console business. They have stated this intention for years.
In short, MS wants to be Netflix for games and Sony is having a shitfit because they think MS will rub the off the console market when Sony was doing a great job themselves, there is literally no point on owning a playstation because playstation, more than ever, has NO GAMES. Even a judge pointes that out and FTC admitted Sony truly has no games.
Best judge ever
What are you even doing on a video game board? How can you be this stupid?
nintendo keep winning
Always amuses me to see thus threads and to see how many people sucknoff a trillion dollar company simply because Sony hurt their feelings
hey, better to suck a trillion dollar company than a pitiful 110b one.
Only one company is trying to consolidate right now
I don't care I just love being a contrarian and I hope xbox looses so Ganker can go into total meltdown mode
As far as I’m aware non-portable consoles are basically only for those too lazy to get a pc or connect on to their TV, or who have children and want a gaming box that little tummy can’t delete their porn stash from on accident. If you have a PC, a switch, and a VR headset you can play basically any game in existence other than Bloodborne, and usually at the best settings, with the most content, with the most functional peripheries, and for the lowest prices. So given MS puts everything they have on PC and Snoy does not, why would anybody root for Sony who wasn’t just trying to grapple with PS5 buyers remorse??
Just a reminder to the armchair lawyers here: even though the FTC presented their case weakly, they can still get an injunction. The CMA blocked the deal and AUS, Canada, and New Zealand are also leaning in the same direction. MS has a bigger hurdle than you think which is why their odds are below 50%. And finally, letting Sony live in your head rent free isn't healthy
>If you were FTC lawyer
I'd kill myself on the spot for being israeli.
Not sure why it's so hard to make a cod like game but sony tried to make a halo like game kill zone and that game was good but not great. Theres somethjngbabout inhouse development teams maybe it's some kind of curroption going on or something else it's always not good. Maybe they could get kojima to make an exclusive cod like fps game it would be so cool
Why is Nintendo constantly being pulled into this shitflinging match? Haven't they been doing everything in their power over the past twenty-odd years to get out of Sony and Microsoft's war?
FTC knows the case is instantly over if Nintendo counts, but their case is still flimsy and shit without Nintendo being mentioned, Im pretty sure even the Judge still counts Nintendo even if the FTC doesnt
My current theory is that Sony went b***hing to the FTC after the deal was announced without telling them enough about the gaming market and the FTC hastily blcoked, they probably didnt know how much of the market Nintendo and Steam took up and by that time the FTC had sunken cost fallacy, hence why they’re first course was to not count either, only to realize that made Sony into the market doing every practice that they were accusing Xbox of doing
Yoyr theory is wrong. FTC already made the statement that they based their decision that all of MS'S cbox marketing revolves around Sony and not Nintendo. Straight of the horses fricking mouth with the Tim Booty email. Add in that both Sony and MS have admitted they don't co sidereal Nintendo competition. I don't know why morons keep talking out their ass over this when the facts have already came out
Microsoft is trying to use them as a shield despite all of their marketing being focused on Sony and not Nintendo
Is it posible to buy the ip but not the company? Maybe with cod being xbone exclusive model of honor could be revived maybe even have it into a sony exclusive or sony could get the devs who worked on cod to make an exclusive cod like fps game?
I wonder if Nintendo gets pissed every single time their name gets mentioned in this case they have nothing to do with.
This case is literally the best PR they could get, hypes fans for a new console and have the US courts openly state the switch is better than the PS5 and XSX, mot to mention its detractors are acting like literal morons in the courtroom
Only console to benefit even more from this case is PC
Judge outright said playstation was better than xbox
Makes you think that ftc is simping for snoy.
Can't be the fact that a trillion dollar company with a history of anti competitive behavior and a monopoly conviction in US court is trying to pull the same shit they pulled in the OS market
The kind of shit sony has been pulling for years, even pre-dating xbawks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Sony
Very telling that when the ftc schmuck was asked "how does that harm the consumer" he didn't have an answer.
Jesus frick you gays are so disengenuious, Sony isn't buying up massive publishers, that's microsoft. The majority of those acquisitions listed are small studios. MS is trying to buy the largest gaming publisher in the US only 3 years after buying another large publisher. Nevermind the fact that MS has an actual fricking condition in court for monopolistic behavior, Sony does not. Your argument is tired and dead
No court gives a shit about the size of the companies purchased so long as it doesnt form a monopoly, you really need to stop pushing the twitter narrative
>Sony isn't buying up massive publishers
Already did.
And FF 16 being only on snoy and not on any ms platform really paints a picture:)
30 years ago and not making a game that was one of top selling IPs in the world
Yes they do moron. If you have two large companies merge, it potentially leads to trust issues
Except it’s already been established there are no trust issues by the court
>30 years ago
And?
>Sony is overspending on worse developers
I agree. Their business model is completely moronic. They deserve their current string of failures.
Stop trying to defend a monopoly like Sony. MS is just trying to compete against a competitor that's way bigger than them, they need all the help they can get and even after the purchase goes through MS still wont be able to achieve any significant gains against Sony.
So Sony controls the majority of game development and production? Being a market leader isn't a monopoly. MS isn't owed marketshare
You're the one who said MS was monopolistic when it's not. It's a way smaller competitor trying to compete against an extremely aggressive market leader. MS isnt owed marketshare and Sony isnt owed to have their competitor stuck in last place without taking moves to be more competitive.
This deal is better for consumers and by supporting Sony you're promoting anti consumer practices.
>MS isn't monopolistic
And being in last place is not justification to consolidate the market which is what MS is trying to do. And how is this better for consumers? It reduces the amount of companies competing in the market. There's nothing anti consumer about MS not being able to consolidate. Xbox will still exist and they can continue to compete
Buying a publisher isnt consolidating the market when there are other larger publishers out there and when MS is the smallest one with the least games.
>And how is this better for consumers?
Because it results in more games for more people on more platforms. The best lawyers cant seem to come up with any facts about how the deal is anti consumer and neither can you. Xbox is simply using their resources to invest in more games in order to compete, this is a great thing because we're going to see more competition against the market leader making anti consumer moves.
Buying the largest publisher in the US is more than just buying a mere publisher. Microsoft has already admitted in court that they block games from appearing on other platforms, the same tactic they cried about Sony doing. Microsoft is also known for frickibg LYING. Spencer had several statements he made to the press called into question and it was shown he lied in all of them, concerning the exclusivity of zenimax games, to whether they were trying to acquire Japanese publishers, something we also have evidence of considering it was made a day AFTER they tried to buy Sega. And people are calling Sony anti consumer but can't bring up anything outside of exclusives with ALL three do
>And how is this better for consumers?
these games will actually come to other platforms
>anti competitive behavior
>Sony isn't buying up massive publishers
if microsoft doesn't make a 180 tomorrow with their business plan what they are doing is of less harm to consumers than what sony does by buying exclusivity for games
Frick off with crying about exclusives because microsoft already admitted in court they were doing the same thing. Their crutch argument and bit turned out they were lying their ass off and doing the same thing all along
>they were doing the same thing
and yet it's not them that went to endlessly whine about it like sony (or their dogs at the FTC). when the heard a rumor of sony buying exclusivity they went and bought the company to block it. also see
Sony bought a game, Square Enix isbstill an independent publisher. MS is tryingbto publishers and permanently lock those IPs to their ecosystem. It's not at all the same thing and you're moronic to imply that it is
Sony removes games from other platforms like PC, Nintendo and Xbox.
MS doesn't. They buy developers to make their own games and release it for PC, Xbox, Nintendo and more platforms.
MS results in more games for everyone. Sony results in less games for everyone. It's simple.
>MS doesn't
They literally admitted in court that they block games on from being on other platforms you disengenuious homosexual. This narrative is dead
>Sony bought a game
no, they bought multiple deals over the years and that can't be understated
>Square Enix isbstill an independent publisher
MS can't legally force themselves into these publishers and nobody made a case for a hostile takeover
>MS is trying to publishers and permanently lock those IPs to their ecosystem
again at worst they will miss playstation (much like a lot of games miss xbox releases since sony locks them) and come to PC day one, and that beats missing xbox and coming to PC much later
>It's not at all the same thing and you're moronic to imply that it is
explain how it isn't then
It didn't work for Nintendo, they stopped competing with the big two and carved a low hardware children's toy niche for their console.
Thread going so fast nobody will notice I want to kms and went to go jump off a bridge tonight but there was a bunch of people there so I left and just drove home. This Microsoft trial is funny to watch unfold.
Can you buy me some games on steam before you go?
Don't do it anon... You have SO much to live for... Yadada, here go to this page:
https://lostallhope.com/
Why is every video game related court case a gold mine of entertainment?
because the video game "industry" is a fricking laughing stock on top of almost every actual law surrounding it being written by a bunch of braindead actual boomers who still think that personal computers are that newfangled contraption
i love my ultra-luxury and legally superior PC & Switch setup.
>make consoles with no games 3 generations in a row
By the way, 3 generations in a row is when things start falling apart and requiring serious maintenance or reform, this is true even outside of gaming
I would get on my knees and apologize.
How come no one can sue Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo for charging for online?
Fricking this. Why isn't that stupid b***h doing anything about it?
Hey Lina if you see this just know that the purchase doesn't fricking matter because cloud gaming is going to be a platform like Roblox but with better graphics. Now stop being a dumbass and learn how to play a crowd.
my favorite part about all of this shitflinging is that people somewhat rightfully bring up nintendo when they basically own the industry outside of aaaaa clusterfricks
actually mobileshit is probably a fair amount of it now too
this thread is a delight because snoys, much like the FTC itself, really can't dismiss this case on it being bad for consumers but it being bad for sony.
What is it with sonyfrens and having constant meltdowns?
Persona 6 and upcoming kingdom hearts game are PS5 execlusive but they still demand more. Mental illness.
>Sony killed their handhelds and japanese support to fund timed exclusives, a brand cult, and a frickton of GAAS games