>your goal is to reforge the elden ring, that's the whole point
>that's weird then why can you reforge it without having all the pieces
>you don't actually need the pieces to reforge the elden ring
>then what's the point of killing bosses if you don't actually "reforge" the elden ring
>...
>also if you can just reforge the elden ring without shards, why did miyazaki put a fog gate blocking your path requiring you to have two shards to beat the game
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Are you moronic? Any non moron instantly realizes that you probably only need a few pieces when presented with this "plot hole"
do you not know what reforge means
You know the ring isn't a physical object ring?
But it is. There's literally a shard of it still stuck in Marika's hammer. She's still fricking crucified on the thing, too.
you moronic fricking ape
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Frick mending the ring lord of frenzy is the TRUE ending and the prelude to the first flame
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WOOOOORLD
all runes were part of the elden ring. i don't understand what you're getting at, do you wish you had to kill every enemy and max out your runes to beat the game?
>all runes were part of the elden ring
what
what are you asking?
This may be difficult to parse, but "Great Runes" are great runes.
>you don't actually need the pieces to reforge the elden ring
>also if you can just reforge the elden ring without shards, why did miyazaki put a fog gate blocking your path requiring you to have two shards to beat the game
Because you do actually need the pieces to reforge the Elden Ring
how do you reforge something when you're missing all the pieces except 2
It would be crazy if there were an entire subplot about how you can take pieces out or add new ones and fundamentally alter the ring without destroying it
What would it feel to stick it inside the rune of death?
Ask Maliketh, he ate a bunch of it
Like stubbing your wiener on the foot of the bed
It’s not a physical object anon. Also the runes you find on the shardbearers aren’t the only pieces of the Elden Ring, most of it seems to still be within Marika/Radagon.
>It’s not a physical object
>can literally carry shards in your bag
What makes you think you’re physically carrying them in a pocket? Do you also think you have seven different ultra great swords just sitting in your backpack? UI isn’t lore canon.
>What makes you think you’re physically carrying them in a pocket
you equip them the exact same way you equip covenant badges from dark souls
And?
if you equip the shards of the elden ring like an item they're probably physical entities
UI isn’t lore canon. If you start to take the UI like it’s a literal representation of how the world works everything falls apart in any video game. If we accept that great runes are physical objects you keep in your pocket then we also have to accept that every Tarnished can carry an infinite amount of weight and can fit objects into an impossibly small space.
>the actual gameplay of the game isn't canon
wut
UI isn’t gameplay. Nobody buys a game thinking “oh boy I can’t wait to scroll through all the menus!”
right and I guess putting on armor isn't canon either
Considering putting on armour in real life takes a long time, no, the way you equip it in game is not how they would actually equip it in that universe. But nobody wants to sit through a half hour long animation of your guy putting on his outfit.
right so the cutscenes at the end of the game isn't canon because the armor isn't real
I didn’t say armour isn’t real. I said the way you equip armour is not canon.
right so the armor you're wearing in the cutscene isn't canon
Well maybe in some alternate universe where I actually said that I might agree
Black person are you seriously trying to call out the plot when you obviously don't understand an ounce of it?
>got btfo in the last thread right before it 404'd
>makes a new thread asking the same moronic question so he can bait out more (You)s
Get a fricking life dude
The default ending is called the Age of Fracture. In the other elden lord endings you use a Mending Rune to bandaid over the missing parts.
>the entire point of the game is fixing the elden ring
>the default ending is you sitting in a chair without fixing the elden ring
You did fix it, just not very well. A broken bowl stitched together with duct tape is still technically repaired.
so you don't actually accomplish anything in the game
Maybe you didn’t.
>hey look at how hard I can pee
The default bare minimum ending is literally called the Age of Fracture you dope, you stuck a bandaid on the ring
>entire game and story is pointless
cool
I love a good bad faith shitpost
what's the point of the game if you can't even fix the elden ring which is the entire goal
can you not answer the question
Why are you asking plot questions about a game you didn't play
>cant answer question
>gets aggressive
easy there tiger
I did answer the question, which you would realize if you had played the game
moron, that's literally the Perfect Order ending where the Golden Order is perfected.
>golden order is perfected
>without all the shards of the elden ring
how does that make sense
>how does that make sense
because the Mending rune replaces those shards, most of the shards are corrupted anyways. Characters can create entirely new concepts that take the form of a Rune.
Because the Elden Ring is a metaphysical macguffin not a busted washing machine
Who said the missing pieces are perfect and not infact inperfection impurities?
You can fix the Elden Ring, there’s like three different ways to do it.
none of them actually require you to have the pieces of the elden ring
Three great runes and the rune of death are mandatory to beat the game
and? that's not even close to how many pieces there are
>none of the endings require you to have pieces of the elden ring
>"you need four pieces minimum to beat the game"
>b-but that's not ALL of them
two of the shards are required arbitrarily by a fog gat put in the game by miyazaki, is the fog gate toll canon?
Are you moving the goalposts twice in two posts
It unironically is. There is dialogue that mentions you cannot get into the capital unless you have two great runes.
>is the fog gate toll canon?
Yes moron
that's funny
>is the fog gate toll canon?
Yes, the Two Fingers wont allow you without it.
huh?
the two finger's will is manifested as a miyazaki toll gate?
>Miyazaki toll gate
Something about this label makes it sound like you were personally and deeply offended when you ran into that barrier
He's a disingenuous homosexual that it baiting. Obviously bored waiting for the dlc
Sir Gideon Ofnir
"Well. I see you've found another Great Rune. Wonderful. You are a worthy fellow Tarnished, indeed.
Make the journey. To the capital Leyndell, that lies to the east of the Altus Plateau, at the foot of the Erdtree.
The Two Fingers will deny your passage no longer. You may be our best hope. Find your way to the Elden Ring.
For we are Tarnished. And we must answer the call of grace."
You need two just to prove you are worthy to become Elden Lord, not to fix the elden ring.
is it not a classic miyazaki toll gate? they're in all of his games
>you can't progress because we want to to do other content, frick off
Who cares?
I mean it's 2023, if you need translucent ghost walls to tell players to frick off you're probably not very good at designing games
Why's that?
Why is relying on arbitrary fog walls so you don't have to design good games a thing? Probably laziness
It's all arbitrary. What would make, say, a drawbridge better? Would that convey the Two Fingers magically restricting your passage?
Would you rather a locked door?
blocking off paths in an open world game because your plot doesn't make any sense has nothing to do with the physical properties of the barrier, no
Can you explain what you mean by this? Why should just any chump be allowed to enter?
Because Elden Ring bad.
It does make sense, sorry you are too stupid to understand it.
So if instead of a translucent ghost wall it was a giant locked door would it still make you angry?
The two Great Runes you acquire go into the Elden Ring, along with Morgott's Great Rune.
The Greater Will purposefully keeps losers with less than 2 Great Runes out. The only "mandatory" Great Runes are those you need to prove your worth, then it doesn't matter if you have 3 or 5, you can always get an ending depending on what you mend.
You are a literal loq IQ moron
>The Greater Will purposefully keeps losers with less than 2 Great Runes out.
is the "greater will" miyazaki?
Yes, it is mr dark souls himself. GIT GUD
>is the fog gate toll canon?
Yes, it's literally the Two Fingers stopping Tarnished who can't repair the Ring. Even if you get the two Great Runes you still can't enter until you go to Roundtable Hold and they see that you can
It's literally explained in the fricking game.
The rest are inside Marika/Radagon
No actually all of them do. Did you even play the game? Or are you being moronic on purpose.
The goal is to become Elden lord you dingus
>The goal is to become Elden lord
and that means.... sitting on a chair?
No it means imposing your will on the world and creating new life with your god. You effectively marry a god and use your marriage to rewrite the rules of the world.
so you waltz in after doing arguably nothing and become king of a dead world
>single-handedly kill at least two extremely powerful beings and anyone else who stands in your way
>”so you just waltz in after doing arguably nothing”
and why would the player character care about killing really powerful beings to sit in a chair
Gee I dunno why would someone want ultimate power and the ability to fix their fricked up world? Big mystery that.
because you're tarnished and beckoned by the light of grace, play the game homie
the light of grace points at a chair?
the light of grace points to many important things, play the game homie
No it doesn’t
Not just a chair, THE chair
Sure maybe if you deliberately chose the pointless ending
>accomplish anything
Black person its a fricking video game.
The fact that you don't need all the great runes to finish the game is moronic.
If you reforge Marika without all the pieces does she get smaller?
something something you only needed like a certain amount to be worthy of the elden ring
>Random teleporter that lets you skip an interesting setpiece
The Elden Ring has changed many times.
There are still only four main rings in the top image, the Elden Ring just also has "tendrils" of light that either stop on contact with a Great Rune or bounce off of the Great Runes.
You dont even take Rennalla's rune. Which was literally removed by Radagon himself.
This is honestly the biggest mystery in the entire game. What the hell is the rune of the unborn? Why is it incased in amber? Why did Radagon/Marika give it to Renalla?
Everyone born of grace was born from the amber of the tree in Marika's reign. Tarnished are creatures not born of the sap. They are born from normal procreation.
Are the tarnished regular men, genuinely curious
They all came from outside the Lands Between, they were Godfrey's army before he became elden lord
That's the impression I get. It's why the ape creatures have no grace either. Obviously you can gain grace after birth though with Hoarah Loux as a leading example
>Obviously you can gain grace after birth
maybe that's a plot hole
Marika consciously grants grace to beings she deems worthy. There are several lower castes that are never given grace because they're seen as lesser or unclean, like the omen and the albinaurics
>Marika consciously grants grace
that's never actually said, all that's said is she can take it away
She chooses to return grace to the tarnished, it's what sets off the events of the game
>She chooses to return grace
no, it just kind of "happens"
it's not said how
see
wait, why were they banished again
plot hole
So the entire plot surrounding your character and their motivations is a plot hole
“Everything I don’t understand is a plot hole - a child’s guide to lore discussion”
There is literally no explanation for why "tarnished" were banished in the first place besides plot convenience so that you could come back after everything was gone to shit to kill demons... I mean shardbearers
I swear to god most players must have completely missed these church dialogues. https://youtu.be/be_esezIcWU
nobody listened to her so that's probably why
And why did marika need them to come back?
They are literally the strongest warriors in existence and the only ones capable of beating a god.
>Hewg
"Your divinity, have mercy, and grant me forgiveness. The road is yet long. A God is not easily felled. But one day, without fail, you will have your wish. So please, grant me forgiveness, Queen Marika..."
They needed to be outside of the Golden Order and the shattering wars. The Golden Order is corrupted do you not see the zombiefied looking humans roaming around the Lands Between now?
Marika wanted to end the Golden Order.
It's compeltely arbitrary why they lost their grace, even though it's said she "took" their grace it's also said it had already left them. Maybe a figure of speech or mistranslation. Or fromsoft's usual "so vague it doesn't make sense and contradicts itself".
It's possible that the Tarnished stood outside of Radagon's view of Order.
That makes no sense, is grace a power up or is grace a point system where if you tick over the allocated threshold it's gone
And if it's the latter how the frick did they earn it back by waging pointless wars in other countries, grace makes no sense. Tarnished make no sense
The tree and the fingers are an alien parasite that fell from the sky that mind control the tarnished to do stuff. The guidance of grace is giving in to it.
if the guy that wrote the game doesn't know what grace is I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume most of the plot isn't congruous
>it's also said it had already left them
Where does it say that?
Godfrey's crown says grace arbitrarily left him after defeating the giants
"He led the War against the Giants. Faced the Storm Lord, alone. And then, there came a moment. When his last worthy enemy fell. And it was then, as the story is told, that the hue of Lord Godfrey's eyes faded."
How does that contradict in anyway Marika taking their grace?
So in your mind she arbitrarily took their grace after defeating their greatest enemy?
>arbitrarily
turning that into a buzzword you fricking Black person.
So you can't actually answer
Either grace doesn't make sense, or marika acts illogically for plot convenience
Grace is just what dictates someone being reborn through the Erdtree, Grace is a Golden Order principal and Marika wanted the Tarnished to be outside of the Golden Order to help end it, everyone else Born into the Golden Order via grace are fantatic and or basically undead.
"In Marika's own words. I declare mine intent, to search the depths of the Golden Order. Through understanding of the proper way, our faith, our grace, is increased. Those blissful early days of blind belief are long past. My comrades; why must ye falter?"
Unfortunately a Golden Order Fanatic also shares a body with her.
"In Marika's own words. O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self."
>Grace is just what dictates someone being reborn through the Erdtree
then how does fighting on other continents restore your reincarnation ability, and if they lost their reincarnation ability, how did they "die" and then come back
Marika returned grace to them years later, when she decided it was time for them to come back to the Lands Between and finish her plan
>Marika returned grace to them years later
Explicitly after the "died again", so how were they still immortal if they "lost their grace"
Obviously grace and the tarnished's immortality are two different things
grace and marika are just massive plot holes
Marika restoring their grace is what brought them back to life
You're adding unnecessary steps for no reason. Marika's grace grants immortality to Godfrey and his people, and she later takes their grace and by extension their immortality away, naming them Tarnished, and exiles them from the Lands Between. She then tells them to wage war and die, and after their death, she will return grace/immortality to them
>Marika's grace grants immortality to Godfrey and his people
where does it say this
It's what grace is, as a result of Marika removing the rune of death from the elden ring
>It's what grace is
Miyazaki said Grace is the presence of the elden ring, not some gift that marika gives out, so was he wrong?
it's pretty sad that the guy that wrote the game is literally on record contradicting what the characters in the game say
The elden ring is literally physically inside Marika's body anon
the elden beast is the elden ring, not marika
also how did marika shatter the elden ring if it's a living creature and when we fight it it's obviously not missing pieces
>the elden beast is the elden ring
Nothing says this
>Nothing says this
you mean, besides the game
>the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
The elden beast is the elden ring, that's why it has scratches on its belly from marika hitting it. What isn't explained is how it was "shattered" by a few scratches. Marika has no control over the elden ring as it's a living being, meaning if you go off of what miyazaki said, marika has no control over grace. If you believe miyazaki the elden beast stopped giving the player grace for no reason and marika pretended it was her, which is a plothole.
If you believe Marika, that she can control grace... then grace isn't explained at all and is a plothole
The golden star later became the Elden Ring, not the Elden Beast. The Elden Beast is basically just the Greater Will’s regional manager it’s appointed to watch over the Elden Ring.
then where is the elden ring
if marika is the elden ring then how are you able to physically carry around the shards of it. Wouldn't that mean you're carrying around shards of marika? Also if marika is the embodiment of order being the elden ring, then how is the elden beast also "the embodiment of order". Also doesn't this mean marika tried to kill herself? If that's the case then why is the elden beast wounded?
And if she tried to kill herself why is the opening cinematic of her physical beating an actual ring?
Marika is the vessel for the elden ring, it's inside her body
Then why does the opening slideshow so radagon/marika physically destroying an actual ring on an anvil
Because she took it out of her body to smash it. She was an omnipotent god with absolute power over the ring at that point
then the elden ring is physically actually a ring and the shards you carry are shards of a ring
this ring makes no appearance nor does its shards at the end of the game, despite you "mending the ring"
It’s a fantasy game with magic, why are you so convinced it has to be a physical ring for her to be able to smash it?
>marika IS the elden ring
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The opening sequence is a bunch of paintings, they basically represent what the common person believes about the shattering, not necessarily what actually happened.
>the opening "cinematic" to the game is a lie
or could it be a plothole and the elden ring was an actual ring that never made it into the game
Do you understand what an unreliable narrator is? I hope so cuz I’m not gonna explain it. How can you say it never made it into the game when we can see it right in front of our eyes at the end of the game?
>the opening cinematic is a lie!
no I'm pretty sure it's a plothole
Even if you take the cinematic as absolute truth there’s no plot hole
>the game compeltely forgetting that the elden ring is a physical ring isn't a plothole
??? That didn’t happen
It did
rune arcs are literally "shards of the shattered elden ring"
Great runes are LITERALLY "pieces" of the elden ring
Marika CAN'T be the elden ring
>Marika CAN'T be the elden ring
She’s not.
correct, you keep posting pictures of her with the elden ring glowing on her, this is plothole that was added in haste at the end of development. As if you paid any amount of attention at all during the game you would notice you have been picking up physical pieces of the elden ring the entire time. (also oddly you get pieces of the elden ring for playing multiplayer? deepest lore)
"mending" the elden ring implies the character has collected all the pieces to remake the elden ring, but you don't actually need to have all the pieces to do this, meaning that the entire gameplay reason for playing the game isn't actually needed to beat the game despite it clearly at some point being a thing.
Meaning the entire story doesn't fricking matter because they didn't finish it, they didn't even finish the gameplay narrative
>”mending" the elden ring implies the character has collected all the pieces to remake the elden ring
No it doesn’t. You can mend something incompletely
You would have an argument if there was an actual ending for collecting all the pieces of the elden ring, but there isn't
so you don't have an argument
You realise that the Elden Ring can have as many or as little runes as you want and still be complete, right? Was the Elden Ring pre-shattering incomplete or broken because the rune of death was removed?
>the Elden Ring can have as many or as little runes as you want and still be complete
you literally just said
>You can mend something incompletely
>complete
>incomplete
Bait
I accept your concession that the story makes no sense
>I accept your concession that the story makes no sense
And?
And that makes my earlier profession that the game has no story or goals for the player which you have been sperging out about for hours is correct
I
accept
your
concession
>it’s not required for you to gather all of the runes to mend the Elden Ring so the game has no story or goals
??? Why would I concede to nonsense?
You already did concede that the story is nonsensical by having to adopt nonsense arguments in order to support it
>the opening cinimatic is a lie!
>the ending of the game isn't actually you mending the elden ring! it's incomplete! even though it says "mend the elden ring"
>m-marika i-is the elden ring! even though you pick up pieces of the elden ring all over the game!
what other nonsense have you spouted?
I never said any of these things, these are the strawmans you created based on your 5th grade reading level interpretation of my arguments
go ahead and explain yourself then, lets see your vast intellect
Marika is the vessel of the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring can have a varying number of runes in it. For some reason you see this as a plot hole and I can’t understand how or why.
Yes marika is the vessel, so why are pretty much all the shards not with her and why can you mend the elden ring without actually having most of the pieces
>so why are pretty much all the shards not with her
Because the Elden Ring was shattered and the demigods each took a rune for themselves.
>why can you mend the elden ring without actually having most of the pieces
Like I said the Elden Ring doesn’t have a specific amount of runes it needs to be functional. Runes have been removed and added in the past.
>the Elden Ring was shattered
the elden ring is a physical entity, meaning that somebody would have had to have distributed the pieces, but the lore doesn't say this because it's a plothole
>the Elden Ring doesn’t have a specific amount of runes it needs
the runes are literally pieces of it
so if none of the pieces are actually needed for the elden ring to exist.... why is the ending of the game "mending" the elden ring if there's nothing wrong with it
oh right the entire story is pointless
>meaning that somebody would have had to have distributed the pieces
Why? The demigods could have just went and taken them. Even if they were distributed that’s actually not a plothole because we know Marika wanted the demigods to fight eachother so it would make sense if she did that.
>so if none of the pieces are actually needed for the elden ring to exist....
What makes you think that? You need at least two to mend it, and you can clearly see a bunch more still in Marika/Radagon.
So the elden ring doesn't need any of its pieces to exist (because it's obviously still inside of marika) but you're still prompted at the end of the game to "mend it"? that's illogical anon
>So the elden ring doesn't need any of its pieces to exist (because it’s obviously still inside marika)
What
Wait.... are you literally saying that as long as you put one shard of the elden ring inside of marika it automatically becomes the entire elden ring agan?
Was the Elden Ring not the Elden Ring when Marika removed Destined Death from it? Was it not the Elden Ring when Radagon added his on rune to it? Was it not the Elden Ring anymore when its lost the Runes shows in Fraum Azula before Marika's rule?
kys
right, using that logic as long as a single piece of the elden ring is inside of an empyrean the elden ring is perfectly fine and doesn't need shit done with it
meaning the entire game is pointless
>using that logic
>proceeds to use no logic whatsoever
Reminder that Miyazaki literally said each rune of the elden ring was "created" by the gods and that the actual elden ring existed before all the runes were added to it, meaning the runes are completely pointless. Meaning nothing was actually "shattered" the elden ring is perfectly fine, which doesn't explain why marika is dead
Also a reminder that miyazaki says that grace isn't what the game says and grace is literally the elden ring powering people up. So the entire plot makes no sense
explain this
>miyazaki says
Who cares?
miyazaki wrote the lore, if what he told people about the game isn't true then what's in the game can't be trusted, meaning it's more than likely none of it makes sense and never did make sense
Who cares? It's a game, not a novel, tv series or a movie.
lol
lmao
No he did not say that
He did, he also said that all the interlocking rings in the elden ring design isn't the actual elden ring, the elden ring is the design behind it, which uncoincidentally is most of the design you see when you enter the erdtree, that of a cross
So the thing marika is hanging on is literally the elden ring, at least it was until the story was rewritten, because it breaks during the bossfight cinematic (why would the elden ring break itself?)
He also said you’re a homosexual. No really, my uncle works at From Software, it’s true.
Here's what the elden ring looked like before breaking, keep in mind the anvil is below the ring in the boss room which is where the ring is missing its piece. Notice the boxart is missing the bottom part of the "ring" design and that "rune arcs" look exactly like the bottom of the elden ring
this was all cut in the final version of the game for some reason
oh also that's what the elden ring looked like before the circles were applied to it by the golden order in the original lore
Who gives a shit about cut content?
The fact that the elden ring exists in the final version of the game as a physical entity in a cutscene and it's irreparably broken but you can "mend it" by interacting with marika's corpse (which does nothing) is hilarious and shows how much of the game is unfinished
Well it’s not irreparably broken if you can mend it.
right that's tacked on nonsense because they couldn't finish the game
Ok sure you want a cookie?
Unironically mending the elden ring with runes that you crafted through quests directly mirrors how the golden order applied their runes to the elden ring
they cut the idea from the story but they didn't cut it out of the gameplay
>The Elden Ring isn't the part that's actually rings, it's the part that's a cross
This is so moronic you're going to have to provide a source. No thinking person would believe this otherwise.
Look up the Edge Magazine interview with Hidetaka Miyazaki
>The rings (are) a representation of ... the Golden Order
>the Elden Ring may have once represented (the Golden Order), but not directly.
>the Elden ring and the (Golden Order) [represented] by these overlapping intersecting rings.
He explicitly talks like the rings were added later, the elden ring, or what's left of it, is what marika is hanging from at the end of the game
>the overlapping rings are the influence of the demigods and how they applied the (Golden Order)
Everything makes sense now. I realise the truth. You’re illiterate.
>>the overlapping rings are the influence of the demigods and how they applied the (Golden Order)
This doesn't contradict the lore at all. The different sections of the ring would represent facets of the current Order. It's all the Elden Ring. Take parts away and it's still the Elden Ring, but of a different character. Like when Marika took away the Destined Death section.
It sounds like you're claiming the rings were added later by the devs as a retcon of previous lore. If that's what you're claiming, you'd have to back that up.
>It's all the Elden Ring
Except he implied the elden ring existed before the rings, and other parts of the lore, like the Dragonlord (who was elden lord before the golden order) explicitly state the elden ring was getting along just fine before the golden order and others applied their runes to it
Either way you can't even address the giant elden ring in the cutscene and how it crumbles into nothing because it's the elephant (cut content) in the room
>the elden ring was getting along just fine before the golden order and others applied their runes to it
What's the problem with this exactly? It's a modular, physical representation of metaphysical principles. It was a different shape under a different set of principles. What's your issue? Add a new page to a book of laws and you still have the book of laws, but it's different now and it was doing "just fine" before you added the new page.
>What's the problem
because since they rushed the game the elden ring crumbles into nothing and you sit in a chair. They couldn't conclude the story in the original way that they intended for whatever reason way so they said "frick it" making the entire game pointless
you don't even get to see your rune you make through quests applied to the giant floating elden ring in the erdtree
The endings are shit. I agree. What was the original intended ending?
My theory is you would remake the elden ring and add your own "design" to it with its own ending, of course you could re-apply the golden order runes you collected. Since the crucifixion of Marika is a big thing and nothing comes of it, the downside of it (since she is the vessel of the elden ring) would be you would be pretty much imprisoning her there just like how you find her in the game
How else would they sell you DLC?
DLC is usually time travel nonsense, what funny is during the ending of elden ring you get the stereotypical "flash of light" which is what they do when they run out of ideas usually in DLCs when you "mend the elden ring"
The goal is to BRANDISH the Elden Ring and become Elden Lord, mending the Elden Ring is player choice.
2 endings literally have you abandon the Elden Ring entirely, Age of Stars and Lord of Frenzied Flame.
The "point" of the game is to have fun killing bosses and exploring while using cool weapons and magic, autist.
No, you need at least two. There’s obviously more runes still in Marika, you’re just adding two or more.
>you need at least two
this is an asspull what shards are still inside marika do that reality doesn't fall apart
Can you rephrase that?
It’s so funny to me that you think you made a point there.
What exactly is your issue? You’re mad because it’s not required to gather all the runes to mend the Elden Ring?
apply yourself or i'll take my reply back
We never see what Marika and Radagon are actually hitting atop that rock, so it could be that the Elden Ring is still within them even as they try to metaphysically access it.
Something not being explained doesn’t make it a plot hole. Magical metaphysical mysterious stuff should not be explained like it’s a weather phenomenon.
>Something not being explained doesn’t make it a plot hole
in fromsoft's case that's usually the plot
She took their grace when she exiled them, so that they would wage war and die outside the Lands Between and be unaffected by the shattering or the meddling of any outer gods. Every tarnished mentioned in the intro cinematic is shown to have died elsehwere before the events of the game, Godfrey included. Returning grace to them gave them back their immortality and called them back to the Lands Between to follow Marika's guidance to the erdtree so they could kill the Elden Beast and free her
How is that arbitrary? Godfrey was basically just a warlord for Marika, once the war was over what use does she have for him?
considering the entire point of their grace being removed was so the game could happen it's a pretty big deal WHY their grace was removed
Their grace was removed so they’d be exiled. Everyone in the lands between detests anyone devoid of grace and either kills them or chases them out.
Yes the grace was removed for plot convenience, what's the purpose of it actually
You could say that about literally any part of literally any story. Why did Obi Wan keep Anakin’s lightsaber? Plot convenience. Why did Gandalf help the dwarves? Plot convenience. Why did Judas betray Jesus? Plot convenience.
I don't know any good stories where the entire plot is set in motion by characters acting illogically for plot convenience
So they'd be unaffected by the shattering. She told them to leave the lands between and wage war to become stronger, and then she shattered the ring in their absence so she could call them back afterward as a still functional fighting force that could further her plans
Because she wanted them to fight and grow stronger without being tied to the Greater Will or Golden Order
There would be no shattering if Godfrey was still in charge and the Strongest warriors in the land were still there.
She can give it back also.
“My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace. With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die."
"Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed.
Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring.
Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey."
>Tarnished are creatures not born of the sap. They are born from normal procreation.
Nothing in the game says this. Tarnished are simply warriors of Godfrey who lost the guidance of grace and were exiled along with him. The name tarnished even implies that they once were gold and now aren’t.
Yes because from games lore is told to you lmao
You're not even trying now
>my headcanon HAS to be true because fromsoft would NEVER write plotholes!
heh
>Yes because from games lore is told to you lmao
Maybe open your eyes and ears https://youtu.be/GPIK-v1aqRk
This thread lol
>Miyazaki-san, the gatekeeper of brainlets
>THE SHIP OF THESEUS IS A DIFFERENT SHIP BECAUSE IT USES DIFFERENT PARTS
why does this homosexual keep saying miyazaki fog wall
>game is called elden ring
>game has no rings
I continually wonder what goes on in the minds of these people who keep making these threads every day just to play dumb and act disingenuous
this, the gay didn't want a discussion he just wanted to bait no need to carry on.
Quick reminder that they rewrote the game late in development. Originally eah great rune co trolled an aspect of reality. Godrick had "connectivity", malenia decay, miquella abundance. No idea why they rewrote the game to just have the runes do nothing special except two. Rune of death is the remnant of the old version of the elden ring
Marika is kind of a b***h.
"Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..."
Had children just so that we can slaughter them.
Not to mention huge swaths of her children live in suffering and agony simply because she doesn’t want them
We could have had kino. Great rune powers. But alas, Miyazaki is a homosexual
Everything in Dark Souls/Elden Ring is just an excuse for the gameplay. There is no plot or story, just a thin background context.
When Elden Ring was first announced, I thought that it was going to be a story-driven game closely inspired by the Arthurian legends. Dystopic, but with villages, people roaming the world, and some charismatic characters like Sekiro. I was wrong, Elden Ring is, literally, Dark Souls 4, but with another name.
>Elden Ring is, literally, Dark Souls 4, but with another name
And that's a good thing
I guess if you’re a moron you would think this way
Imagine being that guy claiming that the opening cinematic was a ruse because you never actually get to see the elden ring
you know the one where radagon is beating the elden ring with a hammer
What are you even talking about? I’m calling the guy who said Souls games have no story a moron
In a thread where defenders of the story have to claim the opening cinematic isn't canon because the elden ring was cut from the game
I will admit that dark souls while not having an impressive story is much more fulfilled compared to elden ring
Man, the anti-From discord really has been having a rough week of this is the best bait they can muster
Nice get but as a phone poster with 200 hours on elden ring and I have yet to finish the game once but my buddies speed run the game using over 80 plus YouTube videos and I thought they were all homosexuals for doing so. The game should not be a second job but to those subhuman it is. I do love the game even if I do not really understand most of it
Because you can reforge it as you see fit. if you were locked to one outcome, then what the hell is the point of having multiple endings?
Because you aren't recreating the full thing. That's a big theme of the game - The glory days are over, you can't get them back, only a semblance of what once was, and what exactly that semblance looks like is based on which ending you go for.
Or just go lord of chaos ending lol because if I cannot have perfection then I opt for oblivion.
Also, the Age Absolute ending was the ending for fully restoring the Elden Ring, but it was cut for miyazaki reasons
Who cares, It's a game where you go and kill shit.
I wish they had leaned more into the pre-release concept of the Runes corresponding to the laws of reality. The in-game text pays lipservice to this but in essence the runes just feel like generic and uniform powersources with only the Mending Runes and the Rune of Death (maybe Malenia's Rune if we're being generous here) having any correspondence to the logic of the world.
You know what fellas, call me crazy but I think OP might be a chainjerker
This really is the msot garbage game. I had more fun playing cybertroony than this shite.
Ya I’d probably hate a game too if I couldn’t get past the first boss
I beat every boss in the game including optional bosses. It was easy. What now troony?
And I fricked your mom while your dad watched, what now cuckson?
Seethe little gay. I raped your game. I raped it. I beat it so hard and easy that I basically raped it and then I spat in it's homosexual boring garbage face when I was done. How about that trooner?
Yes. Every time I said I thought it looked shit you eldentrannies told me I hadn't beat the bosses. So I beat every boss and finished it. It was easy and quite quick. I barely spent a week clearing the entire game.
You beat a game you hate to prove a point to strangers who don’t even know you exist?
I beat a game that I thought looked shit because you trannies would constantly say
>HUUURRR YOU GOT FILTERED YOU COULDNT BEAT THE FIRST BOSSSS!
So I beat every boss. Easy. And after playing I realized that I was completely right about the game. It's garbage. It looks shit. I mean it's one of the worst looking games I've ever played. It's horrible looking. The combat is also boring and extremely unresponsive. But I still beat every boss with ease. Ahhh feels good raping your favorite game troony.
Imagine playing something you hate just to appease anons on a Korean basket weaving forum. How utterly pathetic
>anons
it's mostly one spammer
>I HATED this game
>I 100%ed it because I HATED this SHITTY game so much
Sure you did little guy. And if you did beat it while hating it the whole time, you’re a tremendously moronic homosexual with no friends
Being on levels of homosexualry displayed by OP in this thread should be worthy of a temp ban
It's a magical rune that represents some more conceptual idea like the order of the world, not exactly broken or mended the same way a shattered dinner player would be.
>not exactly broken
>its pieces are physical entities you can pick up
You read at a fifth grade level
Take your time reading the whole sentence there champ.
I know I’m being baited. Sometimes you just get that bored
there us no story. fat frick too lazy to write so they just grafted his grease covered notes and random names onto some left over dark souls shit and rushed it out the door.
The whole point was pieces could be removed. Destined Death was removed before the Shattering
Jesus I can't believe you brainlets still struggle with this plot. It's the most straightforward one Fromsoft has done
>merely pretending
I like when you morons resort to this
This might be the most schizo thread I've seen for the game since release theorycrafting, impressive but it goes in all fields
Yeah it sure does suck when somebody actually points out the plotholes to the games I shill too
60 hours in and I just dropped it after beating the magic guy and the fatso in Farum Azula, I was bored by then. Dont get me wrong, I genuinely enjoyed my time with it but I guess Im tired of Souls stuff, and I dont mean the "genre", ER literally felt like Dark Souls 4
>actually giving a shit about Elden Slop's shitty and disjointed plot and lore
This is some excellent kekery, that Fromdrones can't establish good settings and world building from bad
Getting into this community, and all I know for sure is that Radahn fans are some whiny little b***hes.
Miquella is the only one I'd vote to rule the lands in between.
The Elden Ring is like a giant network of interconnected computers and servers. Whoever controls the most servers controls the internet.
Can I sell NFTs on the rune superhighway?
you can literally see the broken part of the elden ring in radagon's bossfight, manifesting from the hammer that was used to destroy it
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The elden ring is a physical entity in every way shape and form and the only reason the story is vague about it is because they didn't finish the game
for reference, the elden ring being compeltely vague like this is the equivalent to constant allusions to "linking the fire" in dark souls without ever actually seeing the kiln of the first flame or gwyn and the final cutscene being you bursting into flames after beating the last lord or something nonsensical like that in DS1
This game being hard to understand by Ganker makes me wish we just outright euthanized people who cant pass an intelligence test. We would lose nothing as a species.
>all the advertisements and marketing centers on the elden ring
>you don't actually ever see the elden ring because they cut it entirely from the narrative
>what don't you understand lol?
>you don't actually ever see the elden ring because they cut it entirely from the narrative
That's not the elden ring
the circles of the elden ring are the runes you find from the shardbearers
both morgott and godrick's rune are described as one of the center circles of the elden ring, meaning that symbol should be missing two circles, but it's not
>that's not the elden ring
correct
you can actually see that Marika's is missing bits compared to the cover version
it's not
Yes it is. It's missing the arc in the top middle circle, and most of the stuff in the middle circles in general
i see you're blind
Radagons part of the elden ring is in the Cover Art. The grid looking thing in the back, also carved into his Scarseal.
How was the shattering of the elden ring even a mystery in story? How many people could actually be strong enough kick Marika's ass and break the ring?
You gather enough pieces of the Elden Ring to add back to the remainder with Marika to stabilize the world.