Visually 06 looks good, nobody going deny this, actual game is the problem.
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06 is my favorite looking sonic game but from an objective standpoint its not very good. it has rather primitive lighting (resulting in the human characters looking odd) and definitely looks like an early 7th gen game.
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Sonic not having a side grimace, everyone having front mouths that don't work, their long proportions and having the cast be mocapped was a mistake imo. Unleashed FMV was the peak imo.
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honestly the only issue i have with them is how the rigs are prohibitive to expression, and that they never use side mouths when itd be appropriate. SA2 had center mouths and mocap, and honestly i like the lanky proportions
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Sony and MS cracked whips at sega for game release asap.
>shit game better than frontiers
Are you sayin this just to be contrarian to the current main game or is this shovelware I hadn’t even heard of till this thread ACTUALLY better than frontiers? Cuz if it’s better I might have to give it a try.
>Big and Amy become trapped or otherwise incapacitated >Cream can send her chao to attack enemies >homes onto enemies at long range >is invincible >does a frickton of damage
She is too strong. I am suspicious of Cream's intentions.
Team Rose's mission is to find their missing pets.
I wish Heroes let you control the Flight characters individually without always being in a tower formation
Anything would be better than height cap, lot of times you need fly to something and, oops you hit the cap lol.
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>lot of times you need fly to something and, oops
wow it's almost like they don't want you to skip chunks of the level and they expect you to use flight only at certain points
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Heroes have frickload of invisible walls and level design do take account to avoid some easy skips with fly.
>go from Sonic Adventure 2's details and art style to everybody being shiny, scrawny limbed, and no texture work on their fur
Seriously I want know why the frick they chose for Sonic Heroes and Shadow to look this way because it's so unappealing and was a step back in every regard.
The cut from 0:04 to 0:05 is so awful and abrupt I can't believe it's actually in game
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The cutscenes are terrible but also kind of have an SA1 charm from how broken they are
Characters visibly disappearing and reappearing in the frames between a camera change shouldn't be a thing in any game released after 2001 yet here it fricking is, it's kind of hilarious
>he's the perfect classic counterpart to the shitty cubot+orbot duo.
I can't see Orbot and Cubot as anything but the modern (and Japanese pride satisfying) version of pic related.
i asked this before i think but are they not allowed to use these guys because of DIC or do they have the full rights to it and they just choose not to because of the potential shitshow it would be to get their VAs back or risk getting new VAs for them?
They were still in the Archie comics post-reboot so the more likely case is that they *won't* use them rather than they *can't* use them.
Grounder and Coconuts are directly based on badniks from Sonic 2 and are likely to come back in some form, even if minor, but not Scratch.
All the characters from the DiC created cartoons are owned by Sega, it's just that SOJ doesn't care about the Western created characters besides Sticks because they actually had a hand in making her.
This, frick the shitty friends
In fact, get rid of Robotnik too
The series should be Sonic and ONLY Sonic
Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic
SonicSonicSonicSonicSonicSonicSonicDO ICSONICSONICSONICSOMICSOSSOSOSOSO
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
The classic cast feels as big as the modern cast if you actually put all the characters into both categories properly. You just never think about it for Classic because most of the time his friends are only in whack ass classic spinoff games
Actually never thought about that. Cream is pretty strong for carrying Big fat ass all over the place in Sonic Heroes
Don't forget her companion, Cheese.
>Big and Amy become trapped or otherwise incapacitated >Cream can send her chao to attack enemies >homes onto enemies at long range >is invincible >does a frickton of damage
She is too strong. I am suspicious of Cream's intentions.
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She may not seem so tough without her pet infant god-creature, but looks can be deceiving.
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This whole arc was fricking moronic but I think Shadow was the most moronic.
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That entire page is dumb.
>Cream brooding, ever, when we've seen how she acts in life or death situations before >Sonic looking distressed, helpless, and not consoling his friends >Amy being discrete about literally anything
Did you make this render? Why does Sonic look like he got something stuck in his eye? Why does Amy have duck lips? Surrounded by mediocre poses, Tails's stands out as particularly bland.
only sonic and tails makes sense
knuckles should be on duty
rouge shouldn't be hanging out with children
amy is a b***h nobody likes
cream should be at school idk
We did a storytime of the entire comic over on Ganker recently. The archived threads are here: https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/#october-2023-top
>Classic >3D Games
This will never happen. SEGA has shown time and time again that they do not have it in them to recreate pinball physics in a 3D setting. No, some fan demo is not proof of it working, it needs to be SEGA doing the work for a FULL game, not a fan demo.
sonic team is made of the dregs of sega. All of Forces's level designers were first timers. They use Sonic Team as the place where they start out newbies before they put them on a franchise they care about
It's worse than that, lately the pipeline has been: Work for Sega -> Work on Sonic -> Work on Mario & Sonic at the Olympics -> Work for Nintendo.
For example, a staggering amount of people who worked on Unleashed worked on Mario Odyssey at key positions.
>No, some fan demo is not proof of it working, it needs to be SEGA doing the work for a FULL game, not a fan demo.
the thing is, i see fan demos as full games.
as long as the character controls work and are the same between the demo and full releases of a game, then the only difference is the number of levels and the diversity in their stage elements.
but if a demo with a test area as its only stage can be more fun to run around in then the entirety of SA2's speed stages, then the latter is just not worth revisiting, ever.
Considering Dream Team recently came out and Sonic Speed Simulator was a thing for a while, it doesn't matter if they can get it working because the people they contract will do it now.
>No, some fan demo is not proof of it working, it needs to be SEGA doing the work for a FULL game, not a fan demo.
the thing is, i see fan demos as full games.
as long as the character controls work and are the same between the demo and full releases of a game, then the only difference is the number of levels and the diversity in their stage elements.
but if a demo with a test area as its only stage can be more fun to run around in then the entirety of SA2's speed stages, then the latter is just not worth revisiting, ever.
Shame that will never happen. No I don't like Sonic Team but the SA2 speed stages blow out any Utopia clone easily
i guess it can be taken as that, but everyone memes on it for a reason, its just weird, its like eggmans "yosh", its a common saying in japanese (よし)but it has no real meaning in english so its just cringe
He wasn't. It was a mural depicting a great battle between a hedgehog and a big robot with a mustache that took away the master emerald. There was no implication Sonic was "the ultimate life form" and that battle would then take place shortly after Sonic stumbled on it thus ending it. Hell if it weren't for Shadow Black Doom would have destroyed the Earth as there wasn't anything Sonic could have done either.
A lot of 3D Sonic games get more hate than they should because they suck at explaining themselves and they progress gate players in shitty ways. Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed, Secret Rings and Black Knight are all much better with a 100% save and an understanding of how the mechanics work.
This isn't giving ST a pass, though. Those games have a bunch of other issues and it's their fault players don't engage with systems.
>Get locked into rooms and forced to fight enemies to pad stage length. >Get forced to hunt down medals to unlock new stages. >Ranking system discourages playing any way but the "right" way.
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>Ranking system discourages playing any way but the "right" way.
Pariah propaganda.
By virtue of being a boost game there is only ever really one way to play the game. SA2 had a rank system but you still had different ways to tackle a lot of the context based stuff that would encourage a higher rank because the game balances level interaction with player expression.
Boost on the other hand is strictly anti player expression to the point the game tells you how to play it every time you get to a certain point.
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>By virtue of being a boost game there is only ever really one way to play the game.
If you want a good score, yeah. SA2 and Unleashed are both hallways, but Unleashed is even more hostile to players dicking around or trying weird shit. You can still dick around, but there's no chance it's going to go well for you.
SA2 also had plenty of levels that just weren't accepting anything short of the perfect run, like Metal Harbor. Alternatives were oversights.
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SA2 and Unleashed are both hallways but SA2's control scheme doesn't tether you to a straight line which means you can actually pull off tricks that can get get you extra rings extra lives, beat extra enemies or award you with trick points. >Metal Harbor
Metal Harbor is a level that's supposed to be a gateway into understanding the importance of performance. Yes you do have to interact with all the use case situations (If that's the right word) but everything still has more than one solution. You can skip the loops, spin dash jump to the top handle of the rocket, destroy the jets etc but there's never only just one way to handle that and that's on Metal Harbor which is considered the most rigid of the stages
Frick Sega for chasing trends, they’re still doing it to this day with Rumble being a Fall Guys knockoff, in fact Sega has been chasing trends for a while now, did they do any of them good?
Especially with the boon of Mario Kart I’d love more racing game options but I got F-Zero 99 anyway, regardless I thought of Sonic Riders as the cooler alternative to Mario Kart
I'd love it if they somehow found a way to mix Riders with the kart racers, like having the vibe, presentation, and style of Riders, the vehicle variety of All Stars Racing, and the track variety of Transformed. Maybe they will do that, someone found the LinkedIn profile of someone at Sumo Digital who upkeeps that game engine
I hate how she’s become the most
“we have no idea what to do with them” character in mainline sonic
What used to the franchise’s tentpole female action hero is now just spin-off fodder, they really have nothing else for the literal cat princess from another dimension with fire powers?
It becomes worse the longer classic Sonic exists, they shouldn’t have any issues fitting her into a story and she’s already Sonic but slightly different
She has her own world with her own responsibilities to take care of, it's hard to justify her even appearing at all.
And she was created with the same idea behind Shadow to make a character just as cool and strong as Sonic, so she ends up suffocating other characters that are more popular than her(Knuckles, Tails, Amy) when given the spotlight.
And to make things worse, she doesn't have any kind of relationship with characters that aren't Sonic, Rouge on the other hand has interacted more with the rest of the cast so she fits better as part of the group, it's why she ends up in stuff like Prime.
They should have never put these conditions on these characters. It's so hard to justify these characters doing anything as a group, Knux is gem watching, Silver is in the future, Blaze is in a AU, Team dark are self interested, Chaotix are detectives after money.
Legit only Sonic tails and Amy have any reason to hang together regularly
I feel that happens to every character set up to be a Sonic counterpart outside of Metal. >Shadow
Only out for revenge, reforms, remembers who he is, fricks off to be a government agent. >Silver
Doesn't even exist in the same fricking timeline. Has no reason to ever show up. >Blaze
From another dimension. Never has a reason to actually pop into Sonic's world or vice versa unless shit's gone south. >Jet
He races on hoverboards and largely does his own thing.
The irony about Shadow is that he could've been a great foil to Sonic if they didn't give the former that whole brooding tragic hero backstory. Shadow had a lot of smarm in Adventure 2 and was still all business, doing what it takes to get the job done. He could've been a great anti hero if he actually kept that personality as a way to butt heads with Sonic since their approach to problems would be different and conflicting. Instead Shadow treats Sonic as some dude he knows and vice versa and in outside media like comics or tv shows, Shadow's just there and has nothing of value to contribute other than he's ruder Sonic.
Then again I always felt Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles were more than enough of a dynamic to have some interesting gameplay and scenarios.
>if they didn't give the former that whole brooding tragic hero backstory
That's part of what makes him cool and it's even cooler when he rejects that past and decides to walk his own path. The thing that made people like Shadow beyond just superficial shit like his design and powers was his development. For all the problems Shadow the Hedgehog had, the Last Story is the highlight of his character
>Most prominent series writer complains Sega is stopping them from writing Shadow well. >Different writers seem to handle him just fine. >"Ugh, people keep blaming me for Sega's decisions, when will the bullying cease?"
do you think people in japan just eat sushi and instant ramen for every meal? they literally have costcos in japan where you can get a costco hot dog. im sure theyre aware of the concept of a chilidog.
yes its literally iblis, im surprised they literally just straight up put iblis in since everything else has had heavy augmentations. though i suppose he isnt half of solaris like in the games.
We don't know that yet
They might yet introduce Mephilies (especially since the movies will need a new cool antag post-Eggman), and then eventually lead up to Solaris as an Avengers-level threat
>originally made for Gamecube hardware >Xbox port happened because it was powerful enough to run its engine >Sony throws a temper tantrum an threatens to boycott all SEGA games unless Sonic Heroes was ported to the PS2 >PS2 wasn't powerful enough to handle the engine >Sony forces Sonic Team to port the game to RenderWare, wasting time that could've been used to fix/polish the game >PS2 version is the worst version >Since Criterion got bought out by EA, SEGA can't rerelease it without bending to them
Mania and genesis pandering games suck. Make a fricking good 2d sonic if you want to make a 2d one, a large amount of the people playing these games haven't played a genesis game, and a majority damn well didn't grow up playing them so nostalgia baiting doesn't work. Just make a fricking new advanced or rush like 2d sonic.
>Sonic is the leader of Team Sonic >Shadow is the leader of Team Dark >Amy is the leader of Team Rose >Espio is just some wagie, it's Vector who's the leader of Team Chaotix
Why is this?
Well she was the one who suggested they all work together and go after Eggman so yeah I'd say that's reasonable for her to be leader. Omega and Shadow are the muscle/attack dogs
Vector has better social skills, important when dealing with clients.
It could also be argued that Rouge is the real leader of Team Dark, she's the only thing keeping Shadow and Omega on track.
rouge amy anal
from the look of her hammer she has been practicing
damn!!! damn!!!
this but anal fisting. one fist for each ass. blaze can work the shaft
>amy and rogue attached to my fists like boxing gloves
i think that would look very silly
My FUARKING heroes
I feel so SAFE
incorrect use of the word fuark
why is big with cream and amy?
Team Rose's mission is to find their missing pets.
So you can Big Cream Amy.
Because of some newspaper article that says Sonic stole Froggy and Chocola Chao (it's actually Metal Sonic)
because Big likes them cute and funny
Big enjoys looking up their short skirts when they're jumping off ramps.
he's a fat ugly bastard
you know why.
2 girls and a downie, they're on the same level
this game's just permanently in wrong aspect ratio isn't it
He just doesn't have the mod that fixes the game to look good in widescreen.
God, the models look so much better without that crappy shine effect
Yeah this mod is absolute kino. The characters don't look like plastic anymore.
OMG SA2 ROUGE IS BACK!
Not saying I hate the outfit change but man she looks good!
Shitty lightwarp plague everything since SADX.
Took till unleashed to actually fix somewhat.
not gonna lie i think it looks good in 06
Visually 06 looks good, nobody going deny this, actual game is the problem.
06 is my favorite looking sonic game but from an objective standpoint its not very good. it has rather primitive lighting (resulting in the human characters looking odd) and definitely looks like an early 7th gen game.
Sonic not having a side grimace, everyone having front mouths that don't work, their long proportions and having the cast be mocapped was a mistake imo. Unleashed FMV was the peak imo.
honestly the only issue i have with them is how the rigs are prohibitive to expression, and that they never use side mouths when itd be appropriate. SA2 had center mouths and mocap, and honestly i like the lanky proportions
Sony and MS cracked whips at sega for game release asap.
Game looked far better on demos.
Mod name?
Fantastic game. One of the best.
Why not? They're friends. He certainly doesn't hang out with Sonic or Shadow.
No they really don't lol. The shine effect looks good.
Shut the frick up. You're probably a troon who got beat by a Fang in Sonic The Fighters online matches.
Shit game. Better than Frontiers at least.
Now that's a tripless tripgay if I've ever seen one
>shit game better than frontiers
Are you sayin this just to be contrarian to the current main game or is this shovelware I hadn’t even heard of till this thread ACTUALLY better than frontiers? Cuz if it’s better I might have to give it a try.
Soul and the goat like Premydaremy be saying!
I wish Heroes let you control the Flight characters individually without always being in a tower formation
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tower formation kinda sucks but made sense.
the real problem is the janky bounce that kills all your momentum
Height cap is fricking awful.
it's either distance or time. pick your poison
Anything would be better than height cap, lot of times you need fly to something and, oops you hit the cap lol.
>lot of times you need fly to something and, oops
wow it's almost like they don't want you to skip chunks of the level and they expect you to use flight only at certain points
Heroes have frickload of invisible walls and level design do take account to avoid some easy skips with fly.
>go from Sonic Adventure 2's details and art style to everybody being shiny, scrawny limbed, and no texture work on their fur
Seriously I want know why the frick they chose for Sonic Heroes and Shadow to look this way because it's so unappealing and was a step back in every regard.
Multiplat, and Sony pussywhipping Sega to make games for them.
SA2B stayed exclusive due Nintendo deal for long time, that and actually having SA staff to work on it.
not my cast
Classicucks in bodybags
Not my heroes
Except Eggman
Nobody gives a shit about Fang. NOBODY.
somebody did if they bothered to put him in Superstars after 20 years
I like Fang, mostly because he plays like a 3D Commander Keen in SRB2, but still.
He's a brat that you want to correct.
t. Trip
Look at her R34 results and laugh at the numbers kek
If a Heroes port/remaster doesn’t have those lines I ain’t buying
He's a wienery bastard with a GUN
Trip does!!!!
TOTAL TRIP ABUSE
The cut from 0:04 to 0:05 is so awful and abrupt I can't believe it's actually in game
The cutscenes are terrible but also kind of have an SA1 charm from how broken they are
Characters visibly disappearing and reappearing in the frames between a camera change shouldn't be a thing in any game released after 2001 yet here it fricking is, it's kind of hilarious
Does Trip wear leggings or is that her scaly skin?
Same as cream. Nobody likes her except pedos
But enough about Sage
>Captcha: WYYY
Where's Ray, Mighty, and the Chaotix? Fake fan.
basado
You can easily do more hits during the idle animation.
>Devs made it annoying as hell to edit out S2A on title cards when almost every other sprite is easy to edit.
lmao
where are ray and mighty you bigot?
he's the perfect classic counterpart to the shitty cubot+orbot duo. hope they also bring back bean and bark
>he's the perfect classic counterpart to the shitty cubot+orbot duo.
I can't see Orbot and Cubot as anything but the modern (and Japanese pride satisfying) version of pic related.
i asked this before i think but are they not allowed to use these guys because of DIC or do they have the full rights to it and they just choose not to because of the potential shitshow it would be to get their VAs back or risk getting new VAs for them?
They were still in the Archie comics post-reboot so the more likely case is that they *won't* use them rather than they *can't* use them.
Grounder and Coconuts are directly based on badniks from Sonic 2 and are likely to come back in some form, even if minor, but not Scratch.
All the characters from the DiC created cartoons are owned by Sega, it's just that SOJ doesn't care about the Western created characters besides Sticks because they actually had a hand in making her.
Kys classicpedo
remove all but sonic and robotnik. the rest are for homosexuals.
This, frick the shitty friends
In fact, get rid of Robotnik too
The series should be Sonic and ONLY Sonic
Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic Just Sonic
SonicSonicSonicSonicSonicSonicSonicDO ICSONICSONICSONICSOMICSOSSOSOSOSO
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
Yeah because we need only Mario and Bowser as well
Love how they hyped up Fang’s return in Supertrash only for him to be boring bland and sidelined by a Lizard Girl.
He was boring because they gave his traits of being cowardly, clumsy and stupid to Trip.
So much SOVL in one image, how did Sonic Team pull it off?
based post
>Romhack
>good gameplay
Sonic Classic Heroes is great.
what if i like both games with good gameplay and sonic lore thread though
One of these things is not like the others
The classic cast feels as big as the modern cast if you actually put all the characters into both categories properly. You just never think about it for Classic because most of the time his friends are only in whack ass classic spinoff games
>no Shadow
NOT my HEROES.
>Shadow
>Omega
>Knuckles
Hmm yes, those are my heroes.
not quite
Perfect
(Silcucks and silv-inserts need not apply)
>Blaze
It’s perfect
My ONE and ONLY FUARKING HERO.
>not classic
1 job
>modern shitnic
This model is such a breath of fresh air over the one Sega keeps constantly using in promotional material
Crazy that all they had to make it somewhat presentable was to make the hands a bit smaller.
They also fixed his weird ass lips. They've looked awful for like a decade.
2008 - early 20s must have been a great time for you since he pretty much took the spotlight from everyone else
I don't care for Cream.
Step aside then, your opinion doesn't count.
MAKE me step aside you tiny little bnuuy b***h
I'll frickin' sit on u m8
Who do you think carries you with her ears, fatty? You're messing with the wrong bnuuy.
oh yeah that happened
them flying characters sure were strong
sonic team's fault for wasting a cool character design
Don't forget her companion, Cheese.
>Big and Amy become trapped or otherwise incapacitated
>Cream can send her chao to attack enemies
>homes onto enemies at long range
>is invincible
>does a frickton of damage
She is too strong. I am suspicious of Cream's intentions.
She may not seem so tough without her pet infant god-creature, but looks can be deceiving.
This whole arc was fricking moronic but I think Shadow was the most moronic.
That entire page is dumb.
>Cream brooding, ever, when we've seen how she acts in life or death situations before
>Sonic looking distressed, helpless, and not consoling his friends
>Amy being discrete about literally anything
You lack media literacy.
Sonic loves Human Women
Actually never thought about that. Cream is pretty strong for carrying Big fat ass all over the place in Sonic Heroes
huehuehue
orewa super buraze! eh? oi oi nani? vet-san! nan-OI YAMATE Y-YAMATE AIEEE AIIIIEEEEE NONONONONO
AIIIIIIEEEE
AAAAA
SILVER-SAMA TASUKETE ONEGAI SILVER-SAMA
AIIIIEEEEE
FUNNYPOW
Did you make this render? Why does Sonic look like he got something stuck in his eye? Why does Amy have duck lips? Surrounded by mediocre poses, Tails's stands out as particularly bland.
My HEROE-
WAIT…..
Why is HE there…..?
I don't know why they keep Tails around either.
...and KEKckles.
>Boom
Not canon.
The only canon piece of Sonic media is the Metal Sonic OVA
damn right
But it should be. It was the best iteration of every character.
It’s canon. Sonic in frontiers mentions Stix
Anon… Boom is canon
Sticks being canon doesn't exactly mean boom is.
only sonic and tails makes sense
knuckles should be on duty
rouge shouldn't be hanging out with children
amy is a b***h nobody likes
cream should be at school idk
Knuckles is proactively dealing with a threat that may impact the ME
Rouge will try to scam them
Amy a cute
Cream is homeschooled
>rouge shouldn't be hanging out with children
She's only like two or three years older than Sonic
>All furrys are sonicgays
>All furrys are artgays
>All furrys are vidyagays
>All furrys are porn-addictgays
>No decent sonic eroges
How?
*furries
ESL moron
Where do I start with the comics?
Volume 1 ~ Present?
yeah but volume one of who
archie, idw, etc etc
gotcha. idw after that? i see a thing on readcomics called sonic universe is that important or no?
After a certain issue of regular start reading one regular and one Universe. Yellow text tells you when it starts.
much appreciated
It's sometime after 160, for reference
>Archie
Start from #1 and stop at #50, then skip all the way to #160
Don't bother with anything in-between, it's all garbage
We did a storytime of the entire comic over on Ganker recently. The archived threads are here: https://the-ride.neocities.org/threads/#october-2023-top
SHIT ROUGH SHIT ROUGH SHIT ROUGH NYUH
TAKE THI TAKE THIS
its SHIT ROCK YEAH you fricking casual
Just gonna leave this here...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8alZ0VcGTX2fGlTn5Uwa-YuDBxo-n-MM
Why?
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MY SAWNICK HEROES!!
SONIC HEROES
I only ever played a demo for sonic heroes like once and the damn theme never left my head
she mad
she looks like she's puckering up for a smooch ngl
Cute and pouty
Where is he? If he isn't present, then I shant be buying.
Jet the hawk is underrated
More like my Dream Team
Is there a way to play this yet on a non Apple product?
i want both the classic and modern series to have 3D games
>Classic
>3D Games
This will never happen. SEGA has shown time and time again that they do not have it in them to recreate pinball physics in a 3D setting. No, some fan demo is not proof of it working, it needs to be SEGA doing the work for a FULL game, not a fan demo.
fans will always be superior to Sonic Team
damn that's some disgusting bullshit right there, that modern trash.
>Nintendo nailed on mario 64 and improved from there or at very least try keep close as possible
>Sonic 3d gameplay downgrade every game since SA2
Shit is baffling.
sonic team is made of the dregs of sega. All of Forces's level designers were first timers. They use Sonic Team as the place where they start out newbies before they put them on a franchise they care about
It's worse than that, lately the pipeline has been: Work for Sega -> Work on Sonic -> Work on Mario & Sonic at the Olympics -> Work for Nintendo.
For example, a staggering amount of people who worked on Unleashed worked on Mario Odyssey at key positions.
Not anymore, chigyu successfully killed mario & sonic.
>killed mario & sonic
And that’s a good thing
>No, some fan demo is not proof of it working, it needs to be SEGA doing the work for a FULL game, not a fan demo.
the thing is, i see fan demos as full games.
as long as the character controls work and are the same between the demo and full releases of a game, then the only difference is the number of levels and the diversity in their stage elements.
but if a demo with a test area as its only stage can be more fun to run around in then the entirety of SA2's speed stages, then the latter is just not worth revisiting, ever.
It’s always funny seeing people who try to defend the Lost Cause that is Lost in Mario World kek
Considering Dream Team recently came out and Sonic Speed Simulator was a thing for a while, it doesn't matter if they can get it working because the people they contract will do it now.
Shame that will never happen. No I don't like Sonic Team but the SA2 speed stages blow out any Utopia clone easily
Will we ever see Trip again?
Probably only in Classic stuff
She deserves to be a modern take
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I like everything about Trip except her ugly Super Form.
Yeah same here. I think her normal design is super cute.
would be strange if she wasn't in the new game
SHA
i was supposed to be one of those anime grunts but the american side once again was incapable of providing proper voice direction
I took it as Surfer bro slang when going off a wave, it fits fine enough.
i guess it can be taken as that, but everyone memes on it for a reason, its just weird, its like eggmans "yosh", its a common saying in japanese (よし)but it has no real meaning in english so its just cringe
frick I want to impregnate rouge so bad fricking hell
what ever happenned to the schizo libertarian racoon chick from the show?
Finally I hope this thread is fun and not TOO SLOW
Jet does a good job butting heads with Sonic, but frick all I hear is nasally Griffith.
shadow is connected to sonic in that hes an imperfect replica of him.
you can't be a replica of something that didn't exist at the time
sonic was prophesized as the ultimate life form
Has long since been retconned.
>muh retcon
black knight is the last canon sonic game, everything after is w*stoid written fanfiction
He wasn't. It was a mural depicting a great battle between a hedgehog and a big robot with a mustache that took away the master emerald. There was no implication Sonic was "the ultimate life form" and that battle would then take place shortly after Sonic stumbled on it thus ending it. Hell if it weren't for Shadow Black Doom would have destroyed the Earth as there wasn't anything Sonic could have done either.
S3K ruins were referenced.
>jet
he's a tantum-throwing, self-centered, egotistic thief.
where's the contrast with sonic's free spirit that goes where the wind takes him?
>list contrasts to Sonic
>how is that a contrast
dumbass.
the only contrast they have is jet can't run for shit and relies on his gay snowboard to get anywhere.
>self centered
>materialistic
>underhanded
>what you previously mentioned in your post
dumbass.
>Both riders did well and had positive feedback.
>Take MS money for kinect shit
>franchise dies overnight.
Riders did awfully critically because it didn't have a good tutorial and nobody cared enough to learn how to play. Also the trendhopping was cringe.
A lot of 3D Sonic games get more hate than they should because they suck at explaining themselves and they progress gate players in shitty ways. Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed, Secret Rings and Black Knight are all much better with a 100% save and an understanding of how the mechanics work.
This isn't giving ST a pass, though. Those games have a bunch of other issues and it's their fault players don't engage with systems.
This is true for every game except Unleashed.
Unleashed is a very easy game to understand, including the werehog. The actual problem is that it's boring.
Unleashed is boring because of progress gating.
>Get locked into rooms and forced to fight enemies to pad stage length.
>Get forced to hunt down medals to unlock new stages.
>Ranking system discourages playing any way but the "right" way.
>Ranking system discourages playing any way but the "right" way.
Pariah propaganda.
By virtue of being a boost game there is only ever really one way to play the game. SA2 had a rank system but you still had different ways to tackle a lot of the context based stuff that would encourage a higher rank because the game balances level interaction with player expression.
Boost on the other hand is strictly anti player expression to the point the game tells you how to play it every time you get to a certain point.
>By virtue of being a boost game there is only ever really one way to play the game.
If you want a good score, yeah. SA2 and Unleashed are both hallways, but Unleashed is even more hostile to players dicking around or trying weird shit. You can still dick around, but there's no chance it's going to go well for you.
SA2 also had plenty of levels that just weren't accepting anything short of the perfect run, like Metal Harbor. Alternatives were oversights.
SA2 and Unleashed are both hallways but SA2's control scheme doesn't tether you to a straight line which means you can actually pull off tricks that can get get you extra rings extra lives, beat extra enemies or award you with trick points.
>Metal Harbor
Metal Harbor is a level that's supposed to be a gateway into understanding the importance of performance. Yes you do have to interact with all the use case situations (If that's the right word) but everything still has more than one solution. You can skip the loops, spin dash jump to the top handle of the rocket, destroy the jets etc but there's never only just one way to handle that and that's on Metal Harbor which is considered the most rigid of the stages
This video
Frick Sega for chasing trends, they’re still doing it to this day with Rumble being a Fall Guys knockoff, in fact Sega has been chasing trends for a while now, did they do any of them good?
It's not fair how these games haven't had rereleases nor new entries. They were fun!
Especially with the boon of Mario Kart I’d love more racing game options but I got F-Zero 99 anyway, regardless I thought of Sonic Riders as the cooler alternative to Mario Kart
I'd love it if they somehow found a way to mix Riders with the kart racers, like having the vibe, presentation, and style of Riders, the vehicle variety of All Stars Racing, and the track variety of Transformed. Maybe they will do that, someone found the LinkedIn profile of someone at Sumo Digital who upkeeps that game engine
movie trailer when
I just bought Frontiers and Mania, what am I in for?
I hate how she’s become the most
“we have no idea what to do with them” character in mainline sonic
What used to the franchise’s tentpole female action hero is now just spin-off fodder, they really have nothing else for the literal cat princess from another dimension with fire powers?
Didn't 06 frick her role into being the Daisy of the cast (relegated to Olympic games)? Her and Silver are tainted ever since.
It becomes worse the longer classic Sonic exists, they shouldn’t have any issues fitting her into a story and she’s already Sonic but slightly different
Blaze is the coolest design they've done since Metal Sonic and they squander her so much.
Working her into the story is the issue, being that she's from another dimension.
and yet silver keeps showing up without an excuse
Blaze is great as long as she is not near Silver
She has her own world with her own responsibilities to take care of, it's hard to justify her even appearing at all.
And she was created with the same idea behind Shadow to make a character just as cool and strong as Sonic, so she ends up suffocating other characters that are more popular than her(Knuckles, Tails, Amy) when given the spotlight.
And to make things worse, she doesn't have any kind of relationship with characters that aren't Sonic, Rouge on the other hand has interacted more with the rest of the cast so she fits better as part of the group, it's why she ends up in stuff like Prime.
They should have never put these conditions on these characters. It's so hard to justify these characters doing anything as a group, Knux is gem watching, Silver is in the future, Blaze is in a AU, Team dark are self interested, Chaotix are detectives after money.
Legit only Sonic tails and Amy have any reason to hang together regularly
I feel that happens to every character set up to be a Sonic counterpart outside of Metal.
>Shadow
Only out for revenge, reforms, remembers who he is, fricks off to be a government agent.
>Silver
Doesn't even exist in the same fricking timeline. Has no reason to ever show up.
>Blaze
From another dimension. Never has a reason to actually pop into Sonic's world or vice versa unless shit's gone south.
>Jet
He races on hoverboards and largely does his own thing.
The irony about Shadow is that he could've been a great foil to Sonic if they didn't give the former that whole brooding tragic hero backstory. Shadow had a lot of smarm in Adventure 2 and was still all business, doing what it takes to get the job done. He could've been a great anti hero if he actually kept that personality as a way to butt heads with Sonic since their approach to problems would be different and conflicting. Instead Shadow treats Sonic as some dude he knows and vice versa and in outside media like comics or tv shows, Shadow's just there and has nothing of value to contribute other than he's ruder Sonic.
Then again I always felt Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles were more than enough of a dynamic to have some interesting gameplay and scenarios.
>if they didn't give the former that whole brooding tragic hero backstory
That's part of what makes him cool and it's even cooler when he rejects that past and decides to walk his own path. The thing that made people like Shadow beyond just superficial shit like his design and powers was his development. For all the problems Shadow the Hedgehog had, the Last Story is the highlight of his character
>Most prominent series writer complains Sega is stopping them from writing Shadow well.
>Different writers seem to handle him just fine.
>"Ugh, people keep blaming me for Sega's decisions, when will the bullying cease?"
There's no point in caring about that stuff these days, anon.
Japan knows about chilli dogs?
do you think people in japan just eat sushi and instant ramen for every meal? they literally have costcos in japan where you can get a costco hot dog. im sure theyre aware of the concept of a chilidog.
https://twitter.com/jiyunaJP/status/1570060114627006464/photo/1
Is that lava monster supposed to be iblis?
Everyone assumes so, hence the flames of disaster
yes its literally iblis, im surprised they literally just straight up put iblis in since everything else has had heavy augmentations. though i suppose he isnt half of solaris like in the games.
We don't know that yet
They might yet introduce Mephilies (especially since the movies will need a new cool antag post-Eggman), and then eventually lead up to Solaris as an Avengers-level threat
This is so moronic and absurd on so many in-show and out-of-show levels that it loops right back into being pure kino
SFM remake when?
For what purpose?
>not wanting an animated remake using Knuckles and Iblis instead of Wade
Sheer Kino
I wanna be Knuckles
>I had this power right from the start
So did he or did he get it from Iblis
I don't get it
If he did, why did Iblis also have it
What is the point of IDW when cast don't even pop on games?
Well, my peanus weanus of course! 🙂
I get but still is dumb.
pandering to women and coomers.
Nice Bat Booba
>originally made for Gamecube hardware
>Xbox port happened because it was powerful enough to run its engine
>Sony throws a temper tantrum an threatens to boycott all SEGA games unless Sonic Heroes was ported to the PS2
>PS2 wasn't powerful enough to handle the engine
>Sony forces Sonic Team to port the game to RenderWare, wasting time that could've been used to fix/polish the game
>PS2 version is the worst version
>Since Criterion got bought out by EA, SEGA can't rerelease it without bending to them
/sthg/ is easier to talk to than Ganker sometimes.
Ganker sonic threads are essentially just /sthg/ with a couple people coming in to say sonic was never good or post a pic of chris chan.
I need surge, rouge, and blaze in the same room together. In a mainline SEGA video game, with really high poly models.
Pineapple.
SEXY pineapple
Huggable, bulliable pineapple.
>Disgusting ugly human feet
My Sonic Heroes
vanilla is definitely Power
i think it's pretty natural that Amy would lose herself to her sweet tooth and get fat
If I had it my way she'd be a fat ditz.
she's already halfway there
There should also be as many suggestive angles of her as possible. Any chance to show off her bubblegum bubble ass.
just here to clean muh mind after that shit
>all those /dbs/ posters here
It's happening again. How low we have fallen...
Who are Sonics main rivals now? Motherfricker keeps redeeming them
>redeeming
Rivals often aren't evil.
I think you're confusing rival with antagonist.
God Tails is such a useless fricking character, literally built to be a cuck
I like blaze's poncho look more than the dress.
Mania and genesis pandering games suck. Make a fricking good 2d sonic if you want to make a 2d one, a large amount of the people playing these games haven't played a genesis game, and a majority damn well didn't grow up playing them so nostalgia baiting doesn't work. Just make a fricking new advanced or rush like 2d sonic.
this is just the Sonic Dream Team roster though.
dr**m t**m
I miss when Cream was playable
>Playable in Dream Team, an Apple Arcade Exclusive
>Playable in Rumble, a Mobile Fall Guys knockoff
When will the Monkey Paw stop curling?
>Sonic is the leader of Team Sonic
>Shadow is the leader of Team Dark
>Amy is the leader of Team Rose
>Espio is just some wagie, it's Vector who's the leader of Team Chaotix
Why is this?
I'd consider Rouge to be the leader of Team Dark tbh
Well she was the one who suggested they all work together and go after Eggman so yeah I'd say that's reasonable for her to be leader. Omega and Shadow are the muscle/attack dogs
Vector has better social skills, important when dealing with clients.
It could also be argued that Rouge is the real leader of Team Dark, she's the only thing keeping Shadow and Omega on track.
nothing like Zelda
>I did the Mario galaxy thing-
meaning Lost Worlds in