>being used as a reason to axe the entire series
But it isn't the reason the series was axed. The shitty mobile MMO that never got finished is the reason the series got axed.
Wasn't just the gameplay changes, look at that fricking art for a few minutes. Just look at it, then look at bof 4.
Dragons dogma is more closely related to breath of fire than dragon quater
>Dragons dogma is more closely related to breath of fire than dragon quater >Ikeno's art direction is more closely related to BoF than the man who created BoF's art in the first place
Another proof that DQ haters are clueless imbecils, imagine saying Yoshikawa's art for DQ is less related to his art for the previous BoF games than fricking Ikeno's,
>company tests the waters for interest in a series >instead of making a game that fans would actually like they make some mobile game microtransaction dogshit >surprise surprise, no one likes it >the company takes this as a sign that no one likes the series instead of no one liking their dogshit decision making
I fricking hate how common this shit is
but honestly when a game like this gets a mobile gacha, it's usually a last chance to make enough money to justify it's continued existence to the company.
it's why star ocean was able to put out divine force and 2 out, because anamnesis gave them enough leeway to make those happen
yeah, it's a shame that it got bad enough that they had to do it this way.
but at least they and the shadow hearts folks are getting another chance.
here's hoping it turns out well for them
Wild ARMs biggest problem was media molecule forgetting how to write good endings to their stories.
Wild ARMS 1: You and the party continue to explore the wastelands
Wild ARMS 2: Ashley marries his waifu and starts a family
Wild ARMS 3: The big bad frames you for murdering the space pope and you'll have to life the rest of your life as outlaws despite saving the world and despite having family and loved ones
Wild ARMS 4: The protag breaks his promise to stay with the heroine and decides to become a hermit forest ranger. one of the other male protags decides to leave with the sickly female protag in search of a cureshe fricking dies
Wild ARMS 5: One of the heroines in the long triangle with the hero decides to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop the world from endingjust kidding it was only her conciousness that went back in time she's still around and the love triangle remains unresolvedit actually becomes a love square because even the e-girl party member likes the hero too
Played all the Wild Arms but I still think WA3 ending is bad for Clive since he got a family.
WA5 is pretty bad for Avril though, its a time loop for her.
XF got a happy end but its a foot note though.
There are several dinosaur games in the works in the next few years. I'm hoping they'll do well and maybe they'll try to make a new Dino Crisis or Turok.
At least they didn't give it the full properly numbered entry title. I hate when devs do something totally different from the main series but still insist on slapping the number on there.
Looking at you, Doom 3...
Wrong. It's a thematic sequel to the previous games and it is a numbered entry in japan. They removed the number because the combined sales of the previous games outside of japan were like 100k or something even more pathetic.
>At least they didn't give it the full properly numbered entry title
it's called Breath of Fire 5 in Japan
>kill the franchise
Why didn't you or anyone else play BoF6 then? It was the same trite as the first four entries? Also it sold better than BoF4 loooooool
>Why didn't you or anyone else play BoF6 then?
it never left Japan
I know this game gets alot of shit but the entire final boss sequence is pure kino
doing the thing that normally gets you a game over isn't "kino". It's bad game design
>Kills the franchise dead in its tacks >Shitty gatcha is all that's left >dies within a year
Frick you too Capcom. At least put it in a crossver game, even a background role at this point
I checked out capcom's library the last 10 years recently, and the entire company is almost all just Monster Hunter, Street Fighter and Resident Evil. I genuinely dont get why they arent investing in smaller projects reviving some old franchises or something. I feel like part of DD2 being made is a small attempt to diversify a bit, but I can't understand how a company that probably prints money like Capcom does can't pump out ten games at a 10th the budget of the next RE game they plan to put out.
DD2 is because Itsuno held them hostage on being able to make whatever he wanted or else he'd leave Capcom after Inafune cucked out and DmC was made iirc
>kill the franchise
Why didn't you or anyone else play BoF6 then? It was the same trite as the first four entries? Also it sold better than BoF4 loooooool
>But DQ is actually the best selling BoF.
That's wrong, DQ is the lowest selling game in the series. The highest selling was 3. Then 2. And 4 right behind it. DQ only sold around 100,000 copies
>BoF never had a real fanbase to begin with
True. If you look at the Capcom franchise sales page BoF is one of the oldest and least successful.
>But DQ is actually the best selling BoF.
That's wrong, DQ is the lowest selling game in the series. The highest selling was 3. Then 2. And 4 right behind it. DQ only sold around 100,000 copies
Incorrect. You're comparing 6 weeks of sales to games with full years of sales.
Wrong again. BoF3 and 4 were the peak of bof selling. DQ is stated on record to be the lowest selling game.
It flopped.
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Incorrect, once more. The only publicly available data is literally, objectively, factually, 6 weeks worth of sales, from mid-November to end of December, and it greatly outpaced IV.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>calls me incorrect >doesn't post sources
Yes anon. I'm sure the that Capcom devs and higher up admit was a flop was secretly a top million selling game and set the tone for all bof games...oh wait.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Feel free to look up the only available sales data. This has been public knowledge for longer than you've been alive. Nice to see you immediately slipped into another delusional hyperbolic reality, by the way. Very schizophrenic of you.
4 months ago
Anonymous
So this is the delusional DQgay is action. Refuses to accept reality. What a shame.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm being entirely objective. I'm not saying it's the best-selling game in the franchise. That would be BoF3. However, you are INSANELY delusional to think the JP-only 6 week sales figures are indicative of the game's total sales. The only game with updated sales beyond the first year is BoF3, which was last listed at 656k copies sold across all regions on PS1 and PSP. The series sits at 3.3 million sold on Capcom's website.
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Anonymous
>I'm not saying it's the best-selling game in the franchise. That would be BoF3
So you admit defeat. I accept your concession
Amazing game. After four derivative jrpgs Capcom finally did something original and knocked it out of the park with Dragon Quarter. Only brainlets don't like it.
And underrated and misunderstood game. People focus on it not being one to one with the previous games, yet thematically it's a great continuation of the previous games main themes.
>Play it as a kid >Don't understand the D.Ratio and NG+ mechanic >Fricking hate it like every fricking moron >Pick it up in a bargain bin a few years ago >Mfw its ability to use failure and temporal do overs to constantly change the story in this blend of post apocalyptic sci-fi and a high fantasy world long dead is the height of ludokino
If this came out today it would be treated like NieR or Dark Souls. Its a work of genius.
Anon, BoF 2 was one of the earliest examples of the church being evil and killing God as a central part of the narrative.
But yeah, best Nina for sure.
as a stand alone plotline maybe, but if you know the plot of the first 3 games in continuity (+4 if you can connect the dots on what happened after the ending of 3) you know that the final boss of 2 is basically just a failed Guardian of Myria that went out of control in her absence while she was asleep. not even a demigod, just a poser.
>Characters >2 near the bottom
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck off
a dumb bawd cat, a shitty monkey prince, a dog, some weird giant depressed man...furry's paradise, that game.
Thematically Deathevans fits the bill on his own Game but you're right about him being a byproduct of Myria.
He also goes back to sleep at the end, i wonder if they wanted to use him again. Personally Barubary was way more engaging.
Myria is actually a really cool concept for a final boss. b***h got corrected so hard she went into a coma for thousands of years, then woke up so mindbroken she thought she was everyone's mommy
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>Be a bratty girl >Get your ass beat by a dragon and his party >Your "Son" also gets his ass kicked >eventually some time way way later in the future you come back >You have a pathological fear of dragons and deluded yourself into thinking you're a goddess mommy
That said. I would take her offer of living in Eden with her.
4 months ago
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deis is the cool sister though, I'd be afraid of death by snusnu around myria, she seems one schizophrenic moment away from a rape and murder scene occurring.
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It's funny because even before BoF 1 we are told that she got put on her place and sealed by some Dragon Clan guy.
So it's 3 times from what we know that the Dragons keep fricked her over.
>it has been nearly a decade since kattgay disappeared
I will never miss him because of how supremely annoying he was, but I still have to wonder in what way he ended up taking his own life.
I don't believe you, because he had no impulse control and was urged by satan himself to post image limit of katt every fricking thread at all hours of the day, never sleeping, always ready to post that cat bawd 24/7 in a time before bots even existed to imagedump. you may be A kattgay, but you cannot be THE kattgay.
4 months ago
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Well I don't even know if I'm who you're thinking of, but suffice to say, I got meds, got a job, and otherwise moved on with my life.
I still love Katt however.
>everything from Ryu travelling alone to the timeskip feels like a waste of time
That's my favorite part of the game. I like the tense feeling of always being on the run from two people who are significantly stronger than you.
my favorites of each game are Fate and Black Dragon, You Must Live and Cross Counter, My Favorite Trick/Peach Engine (giant momogay) and The Insane Warriors, and Men of War and Raging Emperor's Banquet. My favorite part about the IV OST in particular is that half the songs you literally cannot identify a single instrument in without looking it up online and yet they sound so fricking good.
no reason to argue over which is best when the standard is already so much higher than almost any other series in existence, they all have far above average OSTs. normally when I'm grabbing OSTs I only get a couple songs from an entire game, tenpei sato is probably one of the only other people I grab this much from on a game to game basis.
I used to think so when I was younger. The bombastic boss tracks and the jazz was pretty awesome and STILL IS.
But does it compare to the best of what IV has to offer? For me, no.
I went back and replayed it early last year. I the 00s I did a no SOL reset no fairy farm run that I gameovered on over a thousand times and still enjoyed it. when I replayed it I made it like 5 hours in before I could not force myself to play it anymore, it SUCKS ASS to replay and is now near the top of my list of "nostalgia goggles make it look better" games.
Breath of Fire is one of the more erratic series in terms of quality, honestly. 1 is a 9.5/10 and basically ripped off early DQ but made it way better, 2 is a solid 4/10 if you play the fan TL and a 2/10 if you play the official TL, 3 is a 9.8/10 with very few flaws and has some aspects that are actually better than 4, 4 is a 10/10 that should be considered one of the defining achievements of the entire genre...then we descend into madness with the remainder, with 5 being a 7-8/10 if you really like roguelikes and a 1/10 if you don't, and 6 being [redacted]
I replay 1 every couple years, and have since 1995. It gets more solid every time I play through it, it never gets worse, only better. It may not be the absolute best classic jRPG, but it's definitely top 3. The fact that you place it in the "NES" genre itself and say that is a bad thing just shows that you can't appreciate a good classic jRPG; it playing like that with the better graphics engine of the SNES is actually the best thing that they could have done for the late phase classic jRPG genre, it worked out amazingly.
>make a good series >release a shit game >gain sales from people expecting a good game in a time of very little review processes so people just bought shit to figure it out
Would you all say that Diablo 4 is a good game? Because this is your logic.
>don't enjoy a poorly made game >uhm ackshually you're a moron and you uhm only dislike the game because you don't get the mechanics
Dragon Quarter gays are the DS2 apologists of Breath of Fire
"Generic" was the primary descriptor for BoF until 5. It had some neat mechanics, and some cool designs, but that was it.
90% of the prior character design is "what if guy, but PLANT?"; it was entirely the art style that carried it.
5 put the design in character design.
You think the character designs and models of 5 are GOOD? Probably the worst aspect of the entire game? Why the FRICK would you do something like that, compare that dogshit to the complexities of the dragon system in 3, JUST the sprites for those and literally nothing else took more effort than the character design of DQ as an entire game.
Your point being? You seem be hung up on "generic" as a catch all reason why something is bad. It being a pretty standard JRPG with some extra gimmicks is a large part of why it was loved. Not everything has to be original or a brave new reimagining. And being so doesn't make something good either.
I really don't understand why people still hate on DQ. The series has been dead forever, the fanbase is minimal, and yet people still clutch their pearls that 3&4 are the best in the series like delusional purists. I fricking love 3, 4, and 5 equally. 1&2 are fine but too antiqued.
It dies because the séries sucked sorry anon. Bof was ok but nothing made it stand out as a whole. Character dialogue was also pathetic, no deep philosophy or anything. Basically a game for children.
>like a week ago I tried to talk about breath of fire (v) and make a proper OP with some interesting questions >didn't even get 10 replies >OP starts the thread with an unreleated insult >fruitful discussion starts
>Game rewards you for dying with more cutscenes
This was the exact moment I became disgusted with the game. When I lost a battle for the first time and it gave me a different cutscene and I thought "What the frick? How much did I miss by actually beating the game?"
I mean, technically all capcom could do is ruin it even worse, I wouldn't trust them with any old series anymore. Unfortunately even if they go under I don't think the IP gets released, so we will never see another real BoF game again.
what i don't understand is all this 2 shit talk. 2 is great, kids. you get all the neat party fusions.
i do like 3, but a good chunk of it felt like the game that had come out 3 years prior.
One of the RPG games that makes me feel really nostalgic. Wasted a bunch of time with it as a kid, but somehow never finished it.
Tried replaying it a few years back, and got filtered by how painful slow the combat was (Nina's trap summoning feels like it takes years to resolve). So I guess I will never finish it, sorry.
I don't usually like when people say, "XY is a great game, it's just not a great X game." But this one is special to me, and I get it. The previous four Breath of Fire games were above-average standard JRPGs for their time, with really interesting and fun casts and worlds. I played and enjoyed all of them, in release order, as they came out. When I first started Dragon Quarter, I felt ripped off and betrayed, but I wasn't rich enough as a kid to just not play a game I spent good money on, so I kept at it.
My honest opinion is that Dragon Quarter is the best Breath of Fire game, on its own merits, but I think they should have done more to separate it from the main franchise. To this day, no game has given me the kind of experience I got from this one. Having to ration resources and health, play defensively and use traps, and the whole while you have a countdown to death ticking away no matter what you do. All of it, the whole game, taking place underground in this claustrophobic world, a giant vault that's falling apart and clearly failing, the bad guys trying to keep you in your hole in the ground despite the fact it's failing. The final couple fights were thematically moving, and the ending scene was a huge cathartic release from the tension of the entire game. It was a perfect experience.
i liked it more than 4 but not as much as 3.
the only reason i even beat it is because i used the item dupe glitch. honestly, that's how the game should have functioned from the start. how it actually works should have been a difficulty setting or something, it makes things just a little too tedious.
Shut up moron.
>jrpg tries something different
>fanbase freaks out, has conniption fit
>series known for being one thing
>fanbase is rightly pissed because it's shit they don't want
>blame the fans
You had like 3 games exactly the same
>jrpg tries something different
>its shit
>fanbase treats it accordingly
Itd be fine as a spinoff. It being used as a reason to axe the entire series isn't okay though.
>being used as a reason to axe the entire series
But it isn't the reason the series was axed. The shitty mobile MMO that never got finished is the reason the series got axed.
I liked it. Would prefer more of it over the series staying dead
Wasn't just the gameplay changes, look at that fricking art for a few minutes. Just look at it, then look at bof 4.
Dragons dogma is more closely related to breath of fire than dragon quater
Lmao one is an rpg the other is a soulless button masher
>Dragons dogma is more closely related to breath of fire than dragon quater
>Ikeno's art direction is more closely related to BoF than the man who created BoF's art in the first place
Another proof that DQ haters are clueless imbecils, imagine saying Yoshikawa's art for DQ is less related to his art for the previous BoF games than fricking Ikeno's,
sounds like a fanbase problem.
FF, at worse franchise, get away because the fanbase is full of coomsumers that...
uh, actually
uh
>different
eh
i can understand why fans of the series were confused
Tbqh the game is horrible after the first few hours
I liked it but still couldn't stand all replaying
Kinda weird they just abandoned this franchise, but hey, Dino Crisis.
>he doesn't know
Know what?
>company tests the waters for interest in a series
>instead of making a game that fans would actually like they make some mobile game microtransaction dogshit
>surprise surprise, no one likes it
>the company takes this as a sign that no one likes the series instead of no one liking their dogshit decision making
I fricking hate how common this shit is
that's how wild arms died too.
but honestly when a game like this gets a mobile gacha, it's usually a last chance to make enough money to justify it's continued existence to the company.
it's why star ocean was able to put out divine force and 2 out, because anamnesis gave them enough leeway to make those happen
At least we're getting w spiritual successor to wild arms by the main guy, now that he's free from symphogear prison.
yeah, it's a shame that it got bad enough that they had to do it this way.
but at least they and the shadow hearts folks are getting another chance.
here's hoping it turns out well for them
5 wasn't even that bad, feels like they started to return to the right tone after the disastrous 4. I know nothing of the PSP game.
Wild ARMs biggest problem was media molecule forgetting how to write good endings to their stories.
Wild ARMS 1: You and the party continue to explore the wastelands
Wild ARMS 2: Ashley marries his waifu and starts a family
Wild ARMS 3: The big bad frames you for murdering the space pope and you'll have to life the rest of your life as outlaws despite saving the world and despite having family and loved ones
Wild ARMS 4: The protag breaks his promise to stay with the heroine and decides to become a hermit forest ranger. one of the other male protags decides to leave with the sickly female protag in search of a cureshe fricking dies
Wild ARMS 5: One of the heroines in the long triangle with the hero decides to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop the world from endingjust kidding it was only her conciousness that went back in time she's still around and the love triangle remains unresolvedit actually becomes a love square because even the e-girl party member likes the hero too
Played all the Wild Arms but I still think WA3 ending is bad for Clive since he got a family.
WA5 is pretty bad for Avril though, its a time loop for her.
XF got a happy end but its a foot note though.
There are several dinosaur games in the works in the next few years. I'm hoping they'll do well and maybe they'll try to make a new Dino Crisis or Turok.
At least they didn't give it the full properly numbered entry title. I hate when devs do something totally different from the main series but still insist on slapping the number on there.
Looking at you, Doom 3...
The jp release has the number in the title
The Cover looks so much better than the one in OP...
Wrong. It's a thematic sequel to the previous games and it is a numbered entry in japan. They removed the number because the combined sales of the previous games outside of japan were like 100k or something even more pathetic.
>At least they didn't give it the full properly numbered entry title
it's called Breath of Fire 5 in Japan
>Why didn't you or anyone else play BoF6 then?
it never left Japan
doing the thing that normally gets you a game over isn't "kino". It's bad game design
>it never left Japan
Yeah because even in the place where it sold best no one was interested.
>Not realizing you're taking the role of ryu to make the ultimate sacrifice for nina despite knowing the consequences
Going over 100% d-ratio is probably the best moment in the entire game
No game has filtered brainlets more.
>Kills the franchise dead in its tacks
>Shitty gatcha is all that's left
>dies within a year
Frick you too Capcom. At least put it in a crossver game, even a background role at this point
I checked out capcom's library the last 10 years recently, and the entire company is almost all just Monster Hunter, Street Fighter and Resident Evil. I genuinely dont get why they arent investing in smaller projects reviving some old franchises or something. I feel like part of DD2 being made is a small attempt to diversify a bit, but I can't understand how a company that probably prints money like Capcom does can't pump out ten games at a 10th the budget of the next RE game they plan to put out.
DD2 is because Itsuno held them hostage on being able to make whatever he wanted or else he'd leave Capcom after Inafune cucked out and DmC was made iirc
DMC5 and DD2 are the result
>kill the franchise
Why didn't you or anyone else play BoF6 then? It was the same trite as the first four entries? Also it sold better than BoF4 loooooool
If it sold better, why did it go offline in a year?
I meant BoFV not BoF6. No one played that because BoF never had a real fanbase to begin with. But DQ is actually the best selling BoF.
>But DQ is actually the best selling BoF.
That's wrong, DQ is the lowest selling game in the series. The highest selling was 3. Then 2. And 4 right behind it. DQ only sold around 100,000 copies
>BoF never had a real fanbase to begin with
True. If you look at the Capcom franchise sales page BoF is one of the oldest and least successful.
Incorrect. You're comparing 6 weeks of sales to games with full years of sales.
Wrong again. BoF3 and 4 were the peak of bof selling. DQ is stated on record to be the lowest selling game.
It flopped.
Incorrect, once more. The only publicly available data is literally, objectively, factually, 6 weeks worth of sales, from mid-November to end of December, and it greatly outpaced IV.
>calls me incorrect
>doesn't post sources
Yes anon. I'm sure the that Capcom devs and higher up admit was a flop was secretly a top million selling game and set the tone for all bof games...oh wait.
Feel free to look up the only available sales data. This has been public knowledge for longer than you've been alive. Nice to see you immediately slipped into another delusional hyperbolic reality, by the way. Very schizophrenic of you.
So this is the delusional DQgay is action. Refuses to accept reality. What a shame.
I'm being entirely objective. I'm not saying it's the best-selling game in the franchise. That would be BoF3. However, you are INSANELY delusional to think the JP-only 6 week sales figures are indicative of the game's total sales. The only game with updated sales beyond the first year is BoF3, which was last listed at 656k copies sold across all regions on PS1 and PSP. The series sits at 3.3 million sold on Capcom's website.
>I'm not saying it's the best-selling game in the franchise. That would be BoF3
So you admit defeat. I accept your concession
Indeed, you have to be a moron to play this instead of Pâłwôŕľď.
Amazing game. After four derivative jrpgs Capcom finally did something original and knocked it out of the park with Dragon Quarter. Only brainlets don't like it.
I know this game gets alot of shit but the entire final boss sequence is pure kino
And underrated and misunderstood game. People focus on it not being one to one with the previous games, yet thematically it's a great continuation of the previous games main themes.
It's the best BoF game, sorry
>Play it as a kid
>Don't understand the D.Ratio and NG+ mechanic
>Fricking hate it like every fricking moron
>Pick it up in a bargain bin a few years ago
>Mfw its ability to use failure and temporal do overs to constantly change the story in this blend of post apocalyptic sci-fi and a high fantasy world long dead is the height of ludokino
If this came out today it would be treated like NieR or Dark Souls. Its a work of genius.
Oh no, it's moronic.
III is the best in the series and also one of the best JRPGs of all time.
It's a bog standard JRPG that could just as well be from the early SNES era. It's crap.
>progenitor of the kill god cringe plauging jrpgs to this day
>good
No it wasn't. Also BoF2 Nina is cuter.
BoF2 had you kill god.
Anon, BoF 2 was one of the earliest examples of the church being evil and killing God as a central part of the narrative.
But yeah, best Nina for sure.
as a stand alone plotline maybe, but if you know the plot of the first 3 games in continuity (+4 if you can connect the dots on what happened after the ending of 3) you know that the final boss of 2 is basically just a failed Guardian of Myria that went out of control in her absence while she was asleep. not even a demigod, just a poser.
a dumb bawd cat, a shitty monkey prince, a dog, some weird giant depressed man...furry's paradise, that game.
>Some of the most based party members in a JRPG
>furry's paradise
Again. FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU
Again, frick you
Thematically Deathevans fits the bill on his own Game but you're right about him being a byproduct of Myria.
He also goes back to sleep at the end, i wonder if they wanted to use him again. Personally Barubary was way more engaging.
Myria is actually a really cool concept for a final boss. b***h got corrected so hard she went into a coma for thousands of years, then woke up so mindbroken she thought she was everyone's mommy
>Be a bratty girl
>Get your ass beat by a dragon and his party
>Your "Son" also gets his ass kicked
>eventually some time way way later in the future you come back
>You have a pathological fear of dragons and deluded yourself into thinking you're a goddess mommy
That said. I would take her offer of living in Eden with her.
deis is the cool sister though, I'd be afraid of death by snusnu around myria, she seems one schizophrenic moment away from a rape and murder scene occurring.
It's funny because even before BoF 1 we are told that she got put on her place and sealed by some Dragon Clan guy.
So it's 3 times from what we know that the Dragons keep fricked her over.
>Also BoF2 Nina is cuter.
Shame she gets completely mogged by Katt
>it has been nearly a decade since kattgay disappeared
I will never miss him because of how supremely annoying he was, but I still have to wonder in what way he ended up taking his own life.
I'm fine, thanks for asking
I don't believe you, because he had no impulse control and was urged by satan himself to post image limit of katt every fricking thread at all hours of the day, never sleeping, always ready to post that cat bawd 24/7 in a time before bots even existed to imagedump. you may be A kattgay, but you cannot be THE kattgay.
Well I don't even know if I'm who you're thinking of, but suffice to say, I got meds, got a job, and otherwise moved on with my life.
I still love Katt however.
You are right, best dragon mechanic and cast in the franchise. Also a more complete experience than 4.
That battle music was a banger
The childhood arc was god tier, but I have serious problems with the end game sequence, particularly the minigames leading up to the desert of death.
i like the beginning but everything from Ryu travelling alone to the timeskip feels like a waste of time
>everything from Ryu travelling alone to the timeskip feels like a waste of time
That's my favorite part of the game. I like the tense feeling of always being on the run from two people who are significantly stronger than you.
Why are the men in this game so uhhh...
You know...
2 has a better Nina
4 has better everything else except overworld maps and the Woren member
Gene-splicing was just OKAY. You didn't even use 90% of the gene combos within the course of the game- same with 99% of the abilities.
Meanwhile 4 made even low level abilities useful at end-game with the combo system. The music in 4 also wrecks the shit out of 3.
1, 3 and 4 all have top tier soundtracks. That said, 4's edges out ahead, but comparing anything to that masterpiece of an OST is a bit unfair.
Yeah buddy. AWarring God and Raging Emperor's Banquet get me rock fricking hard everytime.
my favorites of each game are Fate and Black Dragon, You Must Live and Cross Counter, My Favorite Trick/Peach Engine (giant momogay) and The Insane Warriors, and Men of War and Raging Emperor's Banquet. My favorite part about the IV OST in particular is that half the songs you literally cannot identify a single instrument in without looking it up online and yet they sound so fricking good.
As someone that prefers 4 the music is absolutely better in 3
no reason to argue over which is best when the standard is already so much higher than almost any other series in existence, they all have far above average OSTs. normally when I'm grabbing OSTs I only get a couple songs from an entire game, tenpei sato is probably one of the only other people I grab this much from on a game to game basis.
I used to think so when I was younger. The bombastic boss tracks and the jazz was pretty awesome and STILL IS.
But does it compare to the best of what IV has to offer? For me, no.
>that TV
Holy mother of SOVL
>DQgays still coping
>schizo's here
Go back and actually play it. It was 10 years ahead of its time in terms of shit people love
I went back and replayed it early last year. I the 00s I did a no SOL reset no fairy farm run that I gameovered on over a thousand times and still enjoyed it. when I replayed it I made it like 5 hours in before I could not force myself to play it anymore, it SUCKS ASS to replay and is now near the top of my list of "nostalgia goggles make it look better" games.
I loved bof 3 and 4
Wish it had followed the formula
>is a basic roguelike
I like how this was a foreign concept in japan lol
Breath of Fire is one of the more erratic series in terms of quality, honestly. 1 is a 9.5/10 and basically ripped off early DQ but made it way better, 2 is a solid 4/10 if you play the fan TL and a 2/10 if you play the official TL, 3 is a 9.8/10 with very few flaws and has some aspects that are actually better than 4, 4 is a 10/10 that should be considered one of the defining achievements of the entire genre...then we descend into madness with the remainder, with 5 being a 7-8/10 if you really like roguelikes and a 1/10 if you don't, and 6 being [redacted]
1 is a terrible game. Almost as bad as 2. Both these games play more like NES games than SNES games.
I replay 1 every couple years, and have since 1995. It gets more solid every time I play through it, it never gets worse, only better. It may not be the absolute best classic jRPG, but it's definitely top 3. The fact that you place it in the "NES" genre itself and say that is a bad thing just shows that you can't appreciate a good classic jRPG; it playing like that with the better graphics engine of the SNES is actually the best thing that they could have done for the late phase classic jRPG genre, it worked out amazingly.
>sales=good
frick off losers, make an opinion for yourself for once.
I only bring up sales to stop DQgays from shitting the series.
>make a good series
>release a shit game
>gain sales from people expecting a good game in a time of very little review processes so people just bought shit to figure it out
Would you all say that Diablo 4 is a good game? Because this is your logic.
Diablo 4 is good
baseg poggers it is what it is dood
>don't enjoy a poorly made game
>uhm ackshually you're a moron and you uhm only dislike the game because you don't get the mechanics
Dragon Quarter gays are the DS2 apologists of Breath of Fire
It has the best story
The best characters (design and writing)
And the best gameplay
Yes but enough about Devil May Cry 2
story?
4 > 3 > 1 > 5 > 2
characters?
3 >= 4 > 1 > 2 > 5
gameplay?
4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > not breath of fire > 5
"Generic" was the primary descriptor for BoF until 5. It had some neat mechanics, and some cool designs, but that was it.
90% of the prior character design is "what if guy, but PLANT?"; it was entirely the art style that carried it.
5 put the design in character design.
You think the character designs and models of 5 are GOOD? Probably the worst aspect of the entire game? Why the FRICK would you do something like that, compare that dogshit to the complexities of the dragon system in 3, JUST the sprites for those and literally nothing else took more effort than the character design of DQ as an entire game.
yea 5 looks good
PS2brain on full display, then. 3D rendering on PS2 was awful, please leave your fantasy world where you believe it was appealing.
hm, nah.
Your point being? You seem be hung up on "generic" as a catch all reason why something is bad. It being a pretty standard JRPG with some extra gimmicks is a large part of why it was loved. Not everything has to be original or a brave new reimagining. And being so doesn't make something good either.
>Characters
>2 near the bottom
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck off
Give it a different name, I don't give a frick. Not what I, or anyone else, was looking for when we heard about a new breath of fire.
I've never played any of these games but am interested in 4 solely for those insane grafx.
What a kinotastic game, the Dark Souls 2 of BoF series...
Would have been good if they didn't remove features for the EU release.
Seriously, what the frick? And Why?
I really don't understand why people still hate on DQ. The series has been dead forever, the fanbase is minimal, and yet people still clutch their pearls that 3&4 are the best in the series like delusional purists. I fricking love 3, 4, and 5 equally. 1&2 are fine but too antiqued.
It dies because the séries sucked sorry anon. Bof was ok but nothing made it stand out as a whole. Character dialogue was also pathetic, no deep philosophy or anything. Basically a game for children.
it was a really good game
Capcom is dead to me until MegaMan Legends is rescued.
never ever
>like a week ago I tried to talk about breath of fire (v) and make a proper OP with some interesting questions
>didn't even get 10 replies
>OP starts the thread with an unreleated insult
>fruitful discussion starts
Welcome to Ganker
>Game rewards you for dying with more cutscenes
This was the exact moment I became disgusted with the game. When I lost a battle for the first time and it gave me a different cutscene and I thought "What the frick? How much did I miss by actually beating the game?"
I watched this opening every time
QRD?
>DQ fans going "FILTERED" when dealing with any criticism of the game
that is how you can tell this is a bad game when the fanbase doesn't defend it, just try to degrade the critics
FILTERED
I think DQ is the perfect ending to the series and I hope Capcom doesn't raise it's corpse to frick it some more.
>Dragon Quarter gays are glad the series is gone
Typical.
I mean, technically all capcom could do is ruin it even worse, I wouldn't trust them with any old series anymore. Unfortunately even if they go under I don't think the IP gets released, so we will never see another real BoF game again.
what i don't understand is all this 2 shit talk. 2 is great, kids. you get all the neat party fusions.
i do like 3, but a good chunk of it felt like the game that had come out 3 years prior.
One of the RPG games that makes me feel really nostalgic. Wasted a bunch of time with it as a kid, but somehow never finished it.
Tried replaying it a few years back, and got filtered by how painful slow the combat was (Nina's trap summoning feels like it takes years to resolve). So I guess I will never finish it, sorry.
3=5>2>4>1
I don't usually like when people say, "XY is a great game, it's just not a great X game." But this one is special to me, and I get it. The previous four Breath of Fire games were above-average standard JRPGs for their time, with really interesting and fun casts and worlds. I played and enjoyed all of them, in release order, as they came out. When I first started Dragon Quarter, I felt ripped off and betrayed, but I wasn't rich enough as a kid to just not play a game I spent good money on, so I kept at it.
My honest opinion is that Dragon Quarter is the best Breath of Fire game, on its own merits, but I think they should have done more to separate it from the main franchise. To this day, no game has given me the kind of experience I got from this one. Having to ration resources and health, play defensively and use traps, and the whole while you have a countdown to death ticking away no matter what you do. All of it, the whole game, taking place underground in this claustrophobic world, a giant vault that's falling apart and clearly failing, the bad guys trying to keep you in your hole in the ground despite the fact it's failing. The final couple fights were thematically moving, and the ending scene was a huge cathartic release from the tension of the entire game. It was a perfect experience.
i liked it more than 4 but not as much as 3.
the only reason i even beat it is because i used the item dupe glitch. honestly, that's how the game should have functioned from the start. how it actually works should have been a difficulty setting or something, it makes things just a little too tedious.