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>war between VHS manufacturers in 80s Japan
What game?
Top Management series
https://www.mobygames.com/game/170536/top-management/
Leading Company
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_Company
Some video
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Honest question, but how are Koei doing right now as a company? Their game output, especially for strategy, seems kind of small compared to what it used to be.
Pretty good actually
Ignoring the fact most of their titles peak during the PS2/XBOX days, they've been doing pretty good
>still churning out games regularly
>develop multiple 3rd party games for well known companies like Nintendo, Square Enix, Atlus, Bandai Namco and even fricking EA
>still bother to make actual new IP instead of endlessly rehashing their cashcow IPs like they used to
>Aside from DOA and Ninja Gaiden, they still try to keep their flagship titles alive as best as they could (and DOA and Ninja Gaiden weren't originally Koei's IP anyway)
Pretty well, all things considered. The greater KT umbrella's still going strong since its various subsidaries' properties all have dedicated niche fanbases. Omega Force is still pumping out Musous, ShibuKou's Koei is still pumping out history and management sims, Ruby Party's still pumping out otomege, Team Ninja's still pumping out character action games, Gust is still pumping out Ateliers. It'd be nice if their respective divisions' development philosophies weren't so harebrained, but what can you do? KT only really risks going under once the grognards who have been playing their games since at least the 90's finally die out.
Really seems like they're stumbling with Musou games, and NA/Rot3K. The latest titles haven't been well received
>Musou
Is weird insofar that both DW and SW have faceplanted while games like Hyrule Warriors and Three hopes have done very well.
>NA/Rot3K
Honestly, I like 14 despite it's flaws but going back does make me realize how many features have been cut and how much the modern games are missing despite being overpriced.
Agreed, 14 does really seem to be lacking. The last Nobunaga's Ambition I found really disappointing, I forget which it was but the gameplay was like XI's domestic and building planning mixed with an autobattler. I hated it
>I forget which it was but the gameplay was like XI's domestic and building planning mixed with an autobattler
Sounds like either Iron Triangle or Tendou, which are around 15 years old already. I love those titles but shame you didn't like it.
No, it was Sphere of Influence Ascension. I got it thinking "RoKT 8/10 but in Japan" and it was more like RoTK 9 with limitations
>No, it was Sphere of Influence Ascension
Oh, no wonder... Ascension isn't a very good game, its officer play elements are especially shoehorned in because the game was basically an expansion of Sphere of Influence which was a faction play game.
hey guys sorry to crash your thread but uh... is this game any good?
No idea. I don't live in Turkey.
>ROTK 8 remake
Holy shit, my favorite entry too. Hope they don't dick it up somehow.
Ey, apparently the update for Awakening that fixes the AI diplomacy is out. Several new clan policies out also. Probably gonna pick the game up again.
I just want my Amago restoration fictional events back. My least favorite part about Koei games is how every subsequent title just tosses out like half the content of the previous entry (which I guess kind of makes sense since it ensures that newcomers to a particular series will buy specific titles just to see what's in that game and that game only).
Fictional events are always fun. I like the event system in ROTK 14, but the lack of alt history events is kind of disappointing.
are there other games like ROTK which combines strategy, tactics, and roleplay? Like games where you can be a general or a lower officer and are able to navigate politically instead of always being resigned to the role of omniscient ruler?
CK is the obvious choice.
VII, VIII, X and XIII are exactly that. VIII is also getting a Remake soon so might wait for that.
It honestly is kinda meh but 60% off for the PUK bundle is the right price for the game imo
>It honestly is kinda meh
How does it compare to 10, 8, and 7?
>is the right price for the game
I tried to buy the other games first but the fan translation is messy enough that I decided to get a refund. Honestly prefer just bootting up a emulator, PUK be damned.
>How does it compare to 10, 8, and 7?
XIII's some specific roleplaying elements that require you to be of specific roles, like buying/selling weapons is only available to a Merchant, or Dueling is only available to a Warrior, you can't even interact with facilities if you're a Free Officer, which makes for a rather monotonous experience imo. The Event Editor is kinda nice though, if a bit too restrictive and cumbersome to do actual editting stuff.
That sounds problematic. Still, do have to admit I find the idea kind of interested. How hard is to level up your character to become good in everything?
Crusader Kings, Starsector and Mount & Blade, can't think of anything else.
Is 13 any good? It's currently on sale and I'm interested in giving it a shot.
Which is correct?
Infantry > Archers > Cavalry > Infantry
Infantry > Cavalry > Archers > Infantry
Pikes > Spears > Cavalry > Pikes
In the actual game or what it should be?
Yes
Hope in RoTK8R they don't bother with the unit triangle
Late reply, but neither Archers or Infantry should ever > Cavalry in normal combat.
Archers should be able to plink at cavalry from a distance, and Infantry should be able to bog Cavalry down (i.e Cavalry should start clash with huge advantage that very quickly should turn to a disadvantage unless they leave and enter again)
Also infantry pikes should be able to set down and negate that Cavalry advantage from one direction, while still being vulnerable if flanked/backstabbed.
Other than that Infantry should > or at least = Archers if it's peasant/untrained infantry, because again, Archers should plink at a distance without being in direct danger.
But archers should be more expensive 1:1 with most infantry, cause while you can give a peasant a spear and have him be sorta decent in a month, learning to not bow both semi accurately and at an useful distance takes way longer, and someone needs to cover the costs of those people living and training during that time.
So, where the link to the PC version of NA:Iron Triangle PUK?
Tried the torrent found at Igg-games but it doesn't work at all.
Want to know that as well.
Also torrents for DW 7-12 since I'm not paying for a game without official English support.
How does it not work? Did you download it and installed kucing's english patch?
Or does it not run at all?
>Igg-games
Enjoy your malware. Check cs rin ru for safe sources.
>The only Rotk game not localized is the best one in the series.
Even XI pales in comparison to how amazing this game is.
>You can simultanously improve the domestics of every single city with just one action.
>Battle Formations makes each officer unique, useful and doesn't rely on having the highest War/Int stat to win like with most Rotk games. It also makes the Wu officers actually being good at naval battles just like in history.
>Can choose and deploy officers and their troops from any available city, a game mechanic that NA:Rise to Power would later use.
That this game was close to being released overseas only to get canceled is a shame.
Apparently it's well liked in Japan. Too bad Koei isn't remaking this one.
>You can simultanously improve the domestics of every single city with just one action.
>Can choose and deploy officers and their troops from any available city, a game mechanic that NA:Rise to Power would later use
The frick?
Why was that not a thing in newer games.
I can't get a successful Sanada game going on Awakening. Anyone had any luck with it?
Mabye a stupid question. But does anybody know the math to decide if a officer joins you or not in Rotk 14? I ask because I've noticed it's way easier to detain and then recruit.
For me it's Aerobiz:
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New update is out. Besides the new clan policies (listed below, thanks to steam user MuTaTeDtReE), there was also tweaks to existing ones, tweaks to conservator traits (I think the golden ones' maluses were reduced), council members reappointed as part of Discretionary Power policy, and the so waited AI diplo fix.
New policies:
Way of the Amago - Increase castle abilities in countries where all castles are governed/increase unit attack+defense depending how many Titles owned
Way of the Miyoshi - When kin is castle lord, castle abilities increased/if a kin is regent, that province's castles abilities increases
Way of the Nanbu - Longer agitation cooldown for your enemy
Way of the Ryuuzouji - Attack increases depending on how many castles your targeted enemy clan has the agitated status
Way of the Saitou - Treasure buying discount/When treasures are out of stock, there will be new ones available to buy next month/increases commerce for countries with all settlements seized
Way of the Namioka - Unit marching speed increased.
The AI Diplo didn't do shit, played like 50 years and the endgame loved exactly the same, one huge clan controls their region and no alliances seem to exist
you have to turn it on in the settings
What the actual frick
>unique Amago policy
It's gaming time.
>Way of the Amago
>increase unit attack+defense depending how many Titles owned
>Way of the Namioka
>Unit marching speed increased.
These sound very good.
Wish they'd try to do something like Ascension for Awakening. All the focus on delegating to AI and stuff is a much better fit than SoI.
Wish we could get an English Taikou Risshiden game
True. I was hoping frickers could at least make it possible to make a full translation by removing character limits for their remaster of V, but no, I've clearly been expecting too much.
I liked ROTK 13.
I tried it for a bit. It looks decent so far, I guess. hero mode is cute as far as tutorials go. Not sure how it compares to 10 or 8 yet.
Combat feels odd though. Again, I haven't played it much yet. But it very much feels like overegging the pudding. 10 felt way better when I played it.
This way WAY harder than it had it any right to be. I blame the poor coalition ai. Still VERY satisfying to pull it off.
Then I had to restart the campaign because I didn't renew my alliances in time and everybody attacked me at once. At least now I finally managed to got a game going where I defeat Dong Zhuo, trigger the defeat event, and THEN don't instantly collapse.
Is that Rotk 14? What's your opinion regarding the game? The JP audience loves the game but I see some people in the west saying it sucks.
Not that anon, but I personally dislike ROTK14 mainly for its warfare mechanics. Only being able to select a unit's action at the start of the phase reminds me of Doorkickers or Frozen Synapse, those kinds of games in the worst way. It really outs me as a chimp-brain with no capacity for forethought, and it angers me so. I do, however, like the Splatoon mechanics and being able to cut off units' supply lines to starve them to death or raid enemy commanderies, though the governing mechanics leave much to be desired.
>Is that Rotk 14?
Yep. Yuan Shao campaign, 190 start date.
>What's your opinion regarding the game?
Eh... It's complicated. I do like the game, and I intend to keep playing it (If only because of how many start dates it has now that I stupidly bought all the DLC) for the foreseeable future. It's definitely got a lot of flaws, big and small, but also a lot of things I like, also big and small. I think it's ultimately let down however by a few pretty big core design issues.
So much of the game feels designed to make the game faster, and it mostly does that by being more management focused. Instead of assigning officers to improve commerce every turn, you just assign somebody to a area and they do it for you. I think's that a good idea in theory, the problem is that if the game then shoots itself in the foot. A lot of the systems are just very finicky, due to both design and interface reasons, and as a result things take way longer than they should if you want to optimize everything. More damningly however, if you want to optimize your turns there's still stuff you have to do every single turn. Not a lot, but enough that it still feels like a constant hindrance when so much of the game is about getting everything in it's right place and watching the magic happen. The result is a game with turns that are both way less involved than past games without massive improvements to the flow or pacing.
(Continuing since this ended up being a long ass post)
I also just find the character mechanics very outdated compared to something like CK or even Three Kingdoms Total War. It's a character driven game, yet interactions between officers feel incredibly secondary. Just throw rewards at everybody every turn, which you can easily do since gold is ridiculously easy to obtain, and loyalty is never an problem.
While I agree, I think it's less that the game is slow and more that everything you do feels way more tedious. ROTTK 11 and 9 have way more stuff to do each turn, but both games also have more involving mechanics that actually make you feel like you are doing something. In 14, everything just feels like a distraction.
I'm the opposite, warfare is easily the best part of the game. Properly encircling units, launching raids into enemy territory, having to decide to commit to a attack or pull back. All of that makes me feel like a big brained boy despite honestly not being that complex.
I kinda want to play ROTK 14 but 10 days passing each 2 phases irks me a little.
most complaints about it is that is a very slow game, which when it comes to turn based RoTK is saying something
Best title to get into this franchise? I don't really care about ancient Chinese history all that much, but I am willing to learn and what matters most to me is good gameplay.
Should've clarified, by franchise I meant ROTK Nobunaga's Ambition type of games. KT grand strategy or what you call it.
Genghis Khan 4 on PC if a translation is available. Great game.
Nobunaga awakening seems real easy to get into, and easy in general.
I usually see ROTK 11, ROTK 10, and the PS2 Nobunaga ambition games get a lot of praise.
That's a lot of different answers. But Nobunaga got mentioned twice, so I'll pick one of those, ty.
ROTK 11/13/14, NA Rise to Power/Iron Triangle/Tendou/Sphere of Influence and probably the newest, Awakening.
13, 14, and Sphere of Influence to Awakening have official English translations, while 11, Iron Triangle and Tendou have some unofficial English patches.
If you're interest in Chinese history then go for Romance of The Three Kingdoms series
>Aside from 12 being an outright bad game, each game has its own pros and cons
>X is best for individual officer gameplay
>XI is best for faction gameplay
>VIII is getting a full blown Remake next year so you might want to check that one out
If you're interest in Japanese history, then go for Nobunaga's Ambition
>Sphere of Influence is the most accessible
>Awakening is the newest but is kinda hate-it-or-love-it title because the gameplay is geared towards roleplaying as the ruler while having faction gameplay
>Iron Triangle and Tendou have pretty similar gameplay and generally considered the best in the series (Tendou is Japanese only though)
is the newest but is kinda hate-it-or-love-it title because the gameplay is geared towards roleplaying as the ruler while having faction gameplay
So it's like Crusader Kings?
>So it's like Crusader Kings?
No, the opposite, actually. At its core, Awakening is still a faction game, but a lot of the game's elements are limited to the ruler's POV, like you can only directly develop the ruler's castle while other non-ruler castles must be delegated to your vassals, or how you can only get into field battles when ruler's unit is available on the frontline. Random events and strategies are presented like the officers asking for the ruler's opinion but it ultimately is just assigning tasks to the officers like normal faction gameplay.
Glad 8 remake is going to have the most officers, I assume a lot will be from 14? How many are post WZP, will it make the later scenarios better?
I just want to know what exactly they mean by a remake. 8++?
Either way, I imagine there will be more late game officers since that is something the new games have gotten way more right.
The graphics are fully remade, that much we already know.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2288150/ROMANCE_OF_THE_THREE_KINGDOMS_8_Remake/
Apparently NA got a neat little spin-off on the NDS that's supposed to be pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=J6auM6vFivY
Is Awakening a much more enjoyable experience compared to Sphere?
For me, yes. I've already surpassed my playtime in soi/ascension/taishi since awakening came out.
Every so often I can't help but wonder what the frick Lu Bu's problem was and how the hell he managed to have good and loyal officers like Zhao Liang or Gao Shun (even though technically both were traitors since they were Ding Yuan's retainers before Lu Bu's).
It's just what happens when you're unrivaled beneath the heavens. 'Built different' as they say.
Probably unpopular opinion, but I thought Lu Bu wasn't all that bad. People back in the day backstab each other all the time, Lu Bu wasn't anything special in that, if anything he's probably better than the likes of Liu Bei or Yuan Shu because he is up front about wanting to backstab his ally so that's something.
I dunno dude, murdering your foster father not just once but twice seems a bit out there even compared to the hijinks other warlords got up to at the time. It's funny that you bring up Yuan Shu as well, since his proclamation of a new dynasty was so universally-reviled that everyone decided to gangbang him, including Lu Bu (though in typical Lu Bu fashion he decided to try and throw his cards in with the Emperor Zhong as soon as things started going south, being politely declined in a hilarious reversal of circumstance).
Dong Zhuo is another weird semi-mythologised figure. On one hand he was known to be incredibly generous and chivalrous in his youth, but on the other hand despite his later actions being so abhorrent there are theories that contemporary and succeeding historians actually had to tone down just how fricking moronic his debauchery could get because of just how bad it would have made the Han look in its death throes. For some reason Tao Qian (or was it Liu Biao?) of all people was said to have held Dong Zhuo in really high regards as well. Things were honestly really fricking insane back then and I'm amazed as many heroes were around as there were, especially figures like Huangfu Song and Zhu Jun who seemed like swan songs or last hurrahs for the Han.
It's weird insofar that the second time was WAY more justified and motivated than the first.
Dong Zhuo is a pretty interesting figure, in part because he largely seemed to be as bad as fiction often portrays him as. Which is pretty impressive considering that his name is basically synonymous with tyrant in China cultural mythology. His name sounding like a dick pun and him seemingly being the OG ugly bastard doesn't help either.
>For some reason Tao Qian (or was it Liu Biao?) of all people was said to have held Dong Zhuo in really high regards as well.
I think it was Liu Baio, mostly because if I remember correctly it was Dong Zhuo who gave him his job as governor of Jing.
>Things were honestly really fricking insane back then and I'm amazed as many heroes were around as there were, especially figures like Huangfu Song and Zhu Jun who seemed like swan songs or last hurrahs for the Han.
In a way I think the situation creates the hero, frankly. Cao Cao, Sun Jian, and Liu Bei would have most likely lived relatively insignificant if it wasn't for everything going to hell. On that note, I always find it funny the way the Three Kingdom Era book ends itself with Sun Hao. Especially considering Sun Jian arguably did the most to oppose Dong Zhuo.
dong zhuo is the archetypical honorable general who loses his shit when he gets close to absolute power. I suspect the authorial meddling comes when it tries to show him as rude/corrupt in his military career.
It's hard to say when so much of the real life guy has been overwritten by the fictional version and his uber strength, but the guy must have just been a font of charisma and personality. He managed to keep his enterprise together, despite some insane defeats and questionable start, way longer than it really should have.
I mean, I would say that murdering Dong Zhou was pretty good for the most part. Rest less so, though like you said it's also hard to view it as anything special..
real life lu bu was basically another opportunist bandit like liu bei, although that bow and arrow thing thing was a real life anecdote/legend
I do wonder how deserved his reputation as just kind of a dumb brute was. Nothing about the real life guy strikes me as hyper competent, but he did keep going despite some serious nasty setbacks that destroyed other leaders.
Seems likely. I imagine He-Jin probably wouldn't have done much better.
I should read up about Dong's early military career someday. Besides the Yellow Turbans and some wars in Liang I don't actually know much of what he did before he took power.
>Dong Zhuo was born in Lintao, Longxi Commandery in the early 140s and was said to be a chivalrous youth who was physically strong and excelled in horseback archery. He travelled around the Qiang and Xiongnu regions and befriended many people
He sound like a shonen character lol. If you find anything interesting share it with us anon
ROTKV way of raising the city's order level is very interesting.
The Patrol option doesn't just raise the city's order but also gives you a series of random events where people ask for your help in accomplishing a certain task. Some are simple such as giving some of your food supply to the villagers but others have multiple choice questions that have different outcomes that either raise or lower the city's order and the force's fame.
For example: Your officer may encounter a bar fight between drunks and you are given 3 options to stop the situation through diplomacy, participating in the fight or arresting the drunks.
The 1st option only works for officers with good Politics/Charm, the 2nd for those with good War stats and the 3rd always works but gives only low order and greatly lowers your forces fame.
Regarding the force's fame, aside from usual stuff like it determines how good the initial city order of a recently conquered city and affects officer recruitment, it also increases the number of actions a force can do on a single turn. The force initially has 3 actions (and never drops to below three even if your fame is 0) but the max is 10.
It's nice preview to the officer focused Rotk games and comes across as more engaging than Crusader Kings because you actually engage with managing the city instead of just random choices.
Apparently there's a port for the DS and 3DS, of all places.
Is there a fan translation?
No, but just like with my work on Genghis Khan IV and NA:Reppuden, I've screenshot and translated both the in-game menus and the glossary using google translate.
Thankfully, I don't need to translate the tutorial as well since there's already a game guide for ROTK V: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/208896-romance-of-the-three-kingdoms-v-with-power-up-kit/faqs/75286
And it's not just Rotk V that has a DS remake, both III and IV are also on the DS which also uses XI's portraits.
As for Reppuden, here's the links to the pdfs I've made for anyone daring to play the game on the DS.
Here's for the in-game menus: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sndPcCCmKZVP6lCEasf0Wiu-AhhQ29lD/view?usp=drivesdk
Item translation: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZBrTMy-OsSas0Lr4RWdQqoEoULj2I6WH/view?usp=drivesdk
The in-game tutorial: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z_xQFLE1wR-0LNirvcjQPxHGVSNHCUSV/view?usp=drivesdk
And the in-game glossary of terms: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CooYsVP-Vui2pqHKHfwFuoE5SnaZ8eG5/view?usp=drivesdk
Doing the lord's work.
After a day or two struggling with the Yamana, I thought they were doomed to be unplayable.
I thought wrong.
The Amago are fricking bastards in this game though. Crack infantry along with Tsunehisa's Panic are guaranteed to break through my list of C-tier guys.
Seriously, frick the Amago. I realized I've become Ouchi Yoshitaka with the numerous save scums I've done over sieging Gassantoda.
>First time, realize that my armies can still deal a significant amount of damage even if I'm stuck with B-C tier officers. Get good enough officers as my front line, while put Motonari and other bowmen as the ranged rear army.
>March on Gassantoda, destroy the fort, panic Tsunehisa and his crack infantry, destroy tower 1, but upon reaching tower 2, get surprise attacked by the Amago, happens both to my frontline without Motonari, and to my rearguard with Motonari.
>Second try, go for the signal fire to prevent the ambushes. Destroy everything plus take the fur to deny the def +4 tech. Motonari is now at the infantry/cavalry frontline. Try destroying the signal fire, but before I could it, the frontline gets sneak attacked for no apparent reason, until it crumbles.
>Some more tries and I managed to destroy the towers and fire. Move in to surround Gassantoda, but I virtually have no morale, plus Tsunehisa is strong enough to hold me off.
>Last try, decided to attrition the Amago, but got wienery after destroying them too many times. Reloaded many times because of the signal fire, but after one really good attempt, I smirked as I saw the morale drop at 2... until I heard the messenger along with a ominous-sounding tone. I lost everybody due to a rockslide. My bow squad tried sieging but failed spectacularly.
Finally beaten the Amago, took them long enough.
The Ouchi showed up out of nowhere and parked their siege towers like it was a car meet. Too bad I'm almost done with their alliance. If the siege dragged on I would have gotten butt pounded by their towers and Gassantoda's going to belong to the Ouchi.
Now that I have a good officer pool I guess I'm going west.
Weird question, but how scripted is RoTTK 13? Is it like 10 or more like 7 and 8?
Did the Hiei deserve it?
I'm not sure if the manga about Takeda Shingen is accurate but.
>Most of the "holy" monks of Mt.Hiei are utterly corrupt.
>The higher ranks spent their time indulging on food and mistresses while the lower ranking monks are little more than bandits threatening and extorting the villages in their areas.
Those are basically what Koei decides to settle on in most NA's Mt. Hiei events too
>my lord, stop! There are women and children here, you can't set the mountain on fire!
>Why would children and women be present at a holy mountain? It's the signs that the monks are corrupted beyond reason, continue the attack!
Something like that.
Yes, the militants monks of the Kinai have been running amok for too long.
Kek
This is the content that keeps me coming back.
Eh... It's hard to say. Somebody was going to have to take care of them eventually. The main question is it if required quite so much violence. It certainly doesn't help that Nobunaga clearly didn't have much love for Buddhism and seemed to be flirting with Christian powers.
I imagine somebody would have burned down the temple before long. You really can't have mercenary warrior monks and also a stable vaguely centralized Japan.
This is probably the best opinion. Was it necessary to deal with them? Probably. Was it necessary to burn them alive along with their women and children? Probably not.
Murdering the women and children wasn't an uncommon strategy in the period, as shown whenever rival daimyos' families would be beheaded after falling from power. I think it was only particularly blown out of proportion because, in spite of the Hiei monks' supposed debauchery, the Buddhist social structure ran parallel to the samurais' own, and generally served as a method for samurai to avoid having to commit seppuku. Nobunaga eliminating these politically-motivated monks (as many tended to be, like Shingen and Kenshin) was a realisation by the other daimyo that he wouldn't be as lax as other people were about letting the priesthood get away with shit, and that samurai-turned-monks should stick to the pursuit of earthly pleasures like Araki Murashige did.
Which games don't involve shuffling food and gold?
RoTTK 9 has a centralized gold pile, if I remember correctly. Food shuffling is still required however.
Honestly, I just wish the system could be automated more. Just allow me to set up a route that is constantly being used to shovel supplies to the front line while still giving me control over the actual system.
Mostly Nobunaga's Ambition games, except for Rise to Power I think
Any news bros? Did that anon lost his job again?
Anybody play any of the PS4 versions? They're a lot cheaper but I'm worries about the controls.
>Be Sima Yi
>Bided his time well in serving Cao Wei until he manages to usrupt control over Cao Cao's legacy.
>He and his sons further their grip Wei despite while Shu-Han and Wu decay.
>Grandson overthrows Wei, establishes the Jin Dynasty and finally unites China.
>Should be a happy ending.
>Instead, Sima Yan is an unholy combination of Dong Zhuo, Liu Shan and Sun Quan in his later years. Decides to spend his time fricking thousands of women and have the bright idea of stripping military authority from regional governors while empowering his family members that also includes full military might and authority.
>Tops that by making his moronic sons heir despite the objections of everyone.
Thanks to Sima Yan, the Jin Dynasty ranks as the worst Chinese Dynasty, with the Jin Princes tearing China apart out of sucession conflicts and barbarians taking advantage of the clusterfrick to rape the hell out Northern China.
Get fricked lol! That's what all traitors deserve! Still Sima Yi>>
Liang
Is it really betraying if you betrayed a guy whose grandfather betrayed the han?
True
To be honest, I don't think China could be saved. With that said, Sima Yan certainly didn't help matters. It's easy to see why people idealize Shu just looking at the outcome.
Cao Wei probably would've been overthrown anyway since what they really lacked was the support of the established greater families, but if the Simas hadn't been such tremendous fricking imbeciles it might have turned out a little better. Or at least not resulting in losing the entire north for a few hundred years.
I kind of wonder what would have happened if Cao Pi and Cao Rui had lived longer. Or if Cao Cao had actually unified the land. He might have ended up becoming a Aurelian esque figure who keeps the whole thing going for another two hundred years. Or perhaps things would have largely played out the same way. It's hard to say, fun to to think about.
>but if the Simas hadn't been such tremendous fricking imbeciles
>Imbeciles
Ironic, they became the very thing they swore to destroy.
Serious question, why does pop culture deem Sima Yi as a traitorous bastard all the time when even in the novel he shows no sign or thoughts of toppling Cao Wei, like, at all? Him assassinating Cao Shuang was just to ensure Cao Wei doesn't fall to idiotic leadership and be ran to the ground. It was his descendants who are traitorous c**ts.
Because his successors not only became usurpers, which is quite damning in long-term on its own as no ruler in his right mind will want to paint what the Sima did as something to be allowed, but, what's even worse, a massive historical failure . That's more or less the main reason.
There's the issue with how historical Cao Shuang was not, in fact, all that incompetent or how for someone who was claiming to be acting in the interests of Cao Wei put Cao Fang under direct threat during his coup, or that his follow-up purge was very unseemly, etc. Fei Yi had a great takedown on Sima Yi's supposedly "loyal" actions. But ultimately had Jin not been the shitshow that it was, his actions would most likely be seen in a more benign light.
While I agree with you, I do think fiction tends to overblow him into a starscream esque figure who was always plotting to overthrow the Cao family. I honestly never got that impression from the official historical records. At worst he was an opportunistic who smelled blood in the water and took his chance. At best he just kind of ended up being the one to actually dispose of what was still an unpopular regency.
Three Kingdoms period warfare is fascinating. Despite having a population that eclipsed its Roman contemporary, regional militaries seemed to have very few "professional" troops despite service being generally understood to be lifetime. Despite drills and formations still being a thing, armies were still comprised by and large by chaff who'd rout at a moment's notice and a very small core of champions and their family retainers who led by example. The idea that the professional armies of the Warring States period managed to regress back to aristocratic warfare of the Zhou/Shang and associated champion warfare rituals is mindboggling.
To be fair there was like 200 years between the warring states period and a lot of the champion ritual warfare in fiction is somewhat overblown. While I think some duels did happen, it was very rare.
It was mostly a very irregular conflict. Most of the armies very much had a kitchen sink approach. Wei made extensive use of northern cavalry, former yellow turbans, and . Wu's navy carried them for most of the conflict and that was basically just random sailors and pirates. Shu was a weird hodgepodge of whatever stuck to Liu Bei. If things had kept going they would have probably professionalized eventually, but ultimately Shu collapsed before that was necessary.
Finally started playing the PS2 RoTTK games as a companion to my insane plan to chronologically play through all of the DW games, starting with 7. It's fitting that I'm playing it alongside DW2, because like that game it kind of feels like a beta for the next one. That's not to say it's bad though, it's just kind of rough. I first tried a campaign as a custom officer working for Dong Zhuo, but that ended up going rather poorly (Mostly because Dong Zhuo got surrounded somewhere in Hebei and that means you can't do shit). Now I'm trying a campaign as Sun Jian to much better results. The combat and interface are a bit clumsy and weird, but I'm starting to get the hang of it. I do intend to try playing as a officer again, if only because I want to try being a warlord.
Weirdest thing about the game, I would say, is that even though it has a decent number of starting scenarios they are rather... vanilla when it comes to diplomacy. There are some differences in relations between forces but that's basically it. There are no preset alliances or coalition mechanics. It's not too much of a issue right now, but I could see it becoming a problem if I ever try some of the later scenarios with bigger forces.
The JP Wikipedia article on the Genghis Khan series reveals a comment made by the CEO of Koei on why the series had low sales compared to Nobunaga and Three KIngdoms.
"In later years, Yoichi Erikawa, the president of the company, commented on the reason for the poor sales performance of the series, saying that the series was "a memorable work that I also like" but that "it was the image of the character Genghis Khan (omitted)...The image of Genghis Khan that Western people had was 'evil,'" and "the image of Genghis Khan in a historical simulation game was not a good one. The analysis of the game made us realize that in simulation games, sales are greatly affected by the recognition and popularity of the characters"
Do you agree with him?
>Do you agree with him?
Kind of, yeah. Though, frankly, I think the image the west has of Genghis Khan is kind of dumb.
I do think times have changed. Less so the west views on Genghis Khan, but what people expect out of a strategy game. I mean, Attila Total War sold pretty well and he's probably viewed about as poorly as Genghis.
Attila
>The scourge of God
>Had a holy Sword
>Reached the heart of Europe
>Based
Genghis Khan
>Killed some chinese?
It's hard to care about Genghis Khan as a western considering we saw how weak the mongols were when they were stopped by a literally shithole like Hungary
I mean, yeah. If anything, most of Europe probably wish they had burned down Hungary harder nowadays.
I don't think I've ever thought about Hungary a single time this entire year until now.
>most of Europe probably wish they had burned down Hungary harder nowadays
why?
Maybe? I dunno, I play Koei games because I'm an autistic moron who likes that particular flavor of historical sims. Maybe there's some merit behind it because I'm an Amago fanboy and find bigger factions like the Oda, Takeda, or Satake less interesting (though I also like Imagawa or Ashikaga (Kanto and mainline) fun too so idk). I'd chalk up sales more with a combination of poor marketing and niche genre.
I wouldn't consider the Satake a big clan, not on the same level as the Oda or the Takeda
Yeah fair, I honestly had a brainfart and forgot most of the clans east/north of Kanto
I don't know anyone who hates genghis khan, honestly I believe most people think he's cool... I think he's cool
Did you two guys know that with every generation IQ keeps declining in the west? Are you at least aware of what you are?
>thinks people are not playing his games because the main character is evil
Japanese execs are moronic, what else is new
Yeah, that has to be the dumbest take. I remember another interview for when FF X was in development and the interviewer asked why there were still random battles and the Japanese developer stated that they couldn't render monsters on the field map. It was one of the dumbest takes I've heard in gaming and I wonder if half the time, these are just mistranslated articles.
A new Genghis Khan would fill a niche perfectly. They could even use the latest RoTK engine.
> They could even use the latest RoTK engine.
I could see that working only if minor outposts are updated to being actual cities.
It's mostly alt right weirdoes that try to create some kind of cosmic balance by pretending Genghis Khan is worse than Hitler so Europeans are justified in nuking China.
Sounds like a big presumption, doubt most westerners think about Genghis at all.
Must be an absolutely minuscule group of people, doubly so considering that it's not remotely logical.
>doubly so considering that it's not remotely logical.
Well, like I said, they are alt right weirdoes.
>Sounds like a big presumption, doubt most westerners think about Genghis at all.
I mean, yeah. I would say that is the norm.
Sounds like one of those Jap boomer asspull excuses they love to do.
>I would've loved to make another [game of a beloved franchise], but sadly it was the Year of the Rabbit and Jupiter was in the 6th house during a rainy Thursday, so it couldn't be helped
Isn't Japan Koei's primary market? The last GK wasn't even released in the West, what does it have to do with anything?
At risk of necromancy
I think it's not evil as much as unpopular, because while the Mongols fricked with both China and Japan very directly, in the West their influence got pretty much as far as Russia, maybe the sorties with Poles and Hungarians may be remembered, but for everyone West of that, they might as well not have been.
I just wish the Empires series would get half the polish that the XL series does. I understand that they get the most flack when the "thesimscustomizationpallete" is lacking, so they put most of their effort in making fifteen kinds of brows, but I'd honestly be okay with Generic Male/Generic Female OC Officer, if the weapon/character progression, and the most fun maps weren't gimped down. I also get that the latest Empires were a big fricking cutout compromise, that would need another sequel to itself to deliver on all the fricking things it could fill out with mechanics and content(My biggest issue is that any faction the player is a part of, suddenly can't defend worth a damn, unless your officer is in the battle DESPITE having ability to play as another officer inside that battle, like at one point someone wanted to make it more like RoTK before the management caught what they were doing and delelgated them to gut the on map trade, because they guy that was supposed to adapt that had to be pulled elsewhere.
(Pressed post in the middle of rant)
...)but not even counting all the stuff that was lost from previous installments, the previous installments also felt gutted compared to the mainline and XL games.
I'm glad that they have a whole map prepared, as maybe modders will be able to prepare map cutouts for battles, instead of having to prepare the maps from scratch or try to port them from the other game, althought I only hope so, cause I don't know how they coded it internally, and the may just have coded it so there is a fricking spare map being loaded for each battle, instead of cutting it out from the big one.
And how you could have the same "hunting" missions from previous titles, if you cut out a part of the map with hills or whatnot and just spawn some wolves/tigers/bears there, like they already do on the main map, but if the cutting out is fricked and they have to have separate maps for everything, then that is never going to happen.
A new Genghis Khan game probably wouldn't get the same reaction nowadays. Also you can play as the nations who fought against him as well anyway
I'm pretty sure that it was an excuse for his ineptitude. Nobody see Genghis Khan and think "woah fricking rapist murderer! I hate him", most people think something "woah Genghis Khan! So fricking cool and interesting".
Koei is fricking stupid and doesn't know how to promote their games in the west. Also he has a campaign in AOE2 and it's one of the favorites of the people
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For that alternative reality where Liberty or death became popular and we have pretty boy Washington instead of pretty boy Nobunaga
I think Koei should try some new ideas, frankly. I miss it when they made weird games like this. They could do something set during the Napoleonic War.
>They could do something set during the Napoleonic War.
There is L'Emperour
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>no DW10 announced at TGA
It's over...
Honestly, I'm increasingly of the "let it die" opinion. If they must make another one either just finally include the entire timeline, or go the opposite direction and go for a more down to earth version taking inspiration from the earlier PS2 games. Meaning actually somewhat dangerous mooks and huge non linear battles.
obviously they should be making crimson sea 3 instead
I'm still waiting for the 30 year war musou.
So far, the Mori Motonari NHK drama is a fun watch. Despite the dramatization, the stakes and battles are believable and engaging for the most part. I love that Motonari is not cunning at the start and learns it from his counterparts such as Amago Tsunehisa. Makes his rise more interesting to watch unfold.
I've been wanting to watch some old Taiga Drama for a while now, only ever finished Sanadamaru. Where do you watch or download these old ass shows?
Went to jp-films dot com. Really cool site, watched Nobunaga: King of Zipangu there.
I'm still stuck at the Siege of Osaka in Sanadamaru and alternating it with both Motonari and Nobunaga. Stopped the Mori drama because the tension kind of dies down after Itsukushima, while stopped at the Osaka siege because Chacha has the most moronic reasons for not sallying out. Might be a figment of the writers' imagination but it did irk me.
>while stopped at the Osaka siege because Chacha has the most moronic reasons for not sallying out.
Oh god, you gave me flashbacks of when I was marathoning the show and the whole Siege of Osaka made me so fricking mad because literally everyone except Yukimura and his son (and maybe Kimura too) were acting like complete morons and you could see miles away that their defeat was solely because of how fricking moronic everyone acts. God, I am mad again.
I know right, like I hated the drama the writers wrote into the siege. Most of these NHK dramas are filled with Edo fluff that are regurgitated to this day.
I thought it was more or less Ono Harunaga that would oppose Yukimura given he did historically oppose some decisions he makes, plus he was sleeping with Chacha which makes for some interesting conflict between the two, but for Oda Urakusai to even be there was actually unimaginable. I don't like that most of the monks are written to be agents of destruction in this show. I don't even know if I should even continue watching it.
Moved on to the current NHK drama (Ieyasu), and oh boy, the intro for that was sucking off Ieyasu. Deifying his ass and recounting his events as:
>(You) were just a humble hostage of the Imagawa, and your father was killed when you were a child.
I liked that Ieyasu's just pretending in the presence of the Imagawa, but I didn't like the bit where Yoshimoto gives him the bulletproof gold armor (that's more likely recent, given that Awakening has him wear it). I haven't even heard of it until now, unless it's an item he has in Tendou plus Rise to Power. The pacing is really good actually, starts at the marriage of Ieyasu to Sena and concludes near the start or end of Okehazama.
I just enjoy watching the dramas for some battles honestly, the political intrigue is sometimes interesting, but when it's
>oh my sons are getting shipped off to the Kikkawa and Kobayakawa
>nothing happens, some marriages and that's it plus Takakage crying
I just don't feel anything for them. Hell, the drama between Kicho and Nobunaga was extremely boring plus they had to add an immortal Buddhist monk who prays for the rain to fall during Okehazama like he's the second coming of fricking Zhuge Liang.
Thanks anon, started to watch the drama because of your post, right now I'm on episode 38 and it's good so far
What's everyone's opinion on this youtube history channel?
Gave in to watching their summary video on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms after constantly seeing it on my reccomendation tabs and it's not bad and decently summaries but the leave out some informations.
I also like how they cover the more obscure Chinese Histories like the Tang, the Sui and now the Song Dynasty.
Some cringe jokes aside, I like him. Him skimming some stuff is to be expected because it's still just Youtube videos after all, but the original animations and the easy-to-follow summary are good enough for me.
What's funny about the CEO's comment to me is that the big advantage, paradoxically, of making a new Genghis Khan game is that people in the west really like the middle ages as a setting. I honestly think it might do really well if it's marketed properly.
Especially if they model the known world at the time. I like how the SNES version was structured. You start out trying to unify the tribes of Mongolia and once that is done, the known world is open to conquer at your leisure.
rotk8 got delayed brehs...
This is all your fault.
It was heavens will
>a game long announced must release
>a game soon to be release must be delayed
Thus it has ever been.
How is the seige of Osaka in NA Taishi and Awakening? I’ve only touched the one in ascension which was basically some cutscenes with battles in between rather than an actual campaign. Is it the same with the newer games?
Is there a way to replace the additional tracks in Sphere of Influence? I kinda want to remove the pre-2003 tracks and replace it with other stuff.
Also, either I find Tendou's game speed to be slow or I'm misremembering the time I used to take on a single turn on this game.
To be fair I manage only my big castles and demolish the small fortresses, despite reducing my income and soldiers.
I still hate the amount of soldiers big clans have. It's like I'm fighting the Soviets again.
>used to be able to play DW4 Hyper on PC no problem
>change graphics card and update windows
>suddenly pic related
終わりだ。
Nvm. I just tried it again via the shortcut on my desktop and now it works??? What kami-sama's doing is this?
Are there any Koei games where espionage and sabotage is actually viable and you don't go unga-bunga and just attack cities with overwhelming force.
Most of their grand strategy games offer espionage and sabotage as options. In some, you can force rival states into vassals by merely threatening them when they are weak.
In Awakening sabotage is pretty damn useful when its comes to the sieges.
I wanna sabotage dat ass
Iron Triangle's version, despite being broken as shit, works really well with the rest of the battle/campaign mechanics.
To go with the games I played:
>RoTTK 7:
Espionage is a godsend to know how much troops somebody actually has. While reinforcements are a thing, you can rush a battle with the right people quick enough to wipe out most of the enemies morale before they can actually offer any opposition to you. You can also used them to open up aggressive letter writing campaigns to make it easier for captured officers to switch sides. Otherwise, it's of questionable use. There tends to be a brief moment where, after a officer just joins up, his loyalty is low enough you might be able to have him defect. But, similarly to me, the AI leader just starts spamming wage increases to make sure they have 100 loyalty within a month of two. Destroy/sabotage might be useful, since sieges are oddly easy and you could hypothetically lock up a numerically larger force in a siege and then wipe them out by breaking the city. I just don't know if it's worth doing that with Sabotage, I tend to spend my AP elsewhere as it's very limited.
>RoTTK 13:
All over the place. The absolute best high int move you can make is using traps and false info to lure the enemy into a trap. Not because of the damage the trap causes, but because the officer will be cut off from supplies. I've wiped out numerically larger forces that way (And also had it used on me when I wasn't paying attention). Also really good are officer suggestions. Which have a 50/50 chance of setting the enemy on fire, sabotaging buildings, or restricting movements. I kind of dislike you can't do those things on command, to be honest. What you can do on command is pretty bad. The only real exception being Destroy Building, which can make a major difference if spammed to take out a single key fort. Placate is of questionable value, I've sometimes gotten it to work but even when spammed it sometimes just utterly fails. Don't rely on it, but I guess it can be worth using as part of a major offensive push meant to disrupt supply.
Play Sphere of Influence. Never played a Nobunaga game before, and I wanted to ask, is fighting battles manually worth it?
Yes, especially in Mass Battles.
Focus on range so your enemies get more damage than you, while melee is situational. Melee in this game is extremely damaging even to guys with high stats. I tend to melee if my skills destroy stockades, confuses the enemy, or greatly increases attack, and I'm desperate or I have numerical superiority. You don't feel a thing if you use Shibata, with 10k men, and his Heavy Crush against a measly 1-2k troop. Whereas Tsuneoki and his Rapid Assault facing off against an evenly matched 5k troop will mostly result in a quarter of your men remaining after that.
The skills that are always useful in manual battles are ranged ones such as Snipe, Sharpshoot. Snipe increases range as well as damage. You deal double damage compared to the enemy. Sharpshoot weakens them and only increases ranged damage. This allows you to more or less overpower the opponent.
Melee skills that are always useful are confusion-causing ones such as Greatblade and Blade Catcher.
Skills don't stack, but if you have both an ability like Sharpshoot which debuffs, use it first so they get the debuff, then Snipe them. Makes the fight more easier.
Always attack in groups and separate enemies. Bondbreaker's useful if they're grouped together. It makes them attack each other. Also, check your enemy commander's skills before engaging them.
Understood, ty for the comprehensive explanation.
Celtic bros, how the hell I go to my other provinces?
I know I can watch other provinces in the council but I can't issue orders
Samegayging here
You only change province by pressing END
What game is this?
Balor of the Evil Eye
I've finished my playthroughs of ROTK 7, 8, 10, 13, and I'm still looking for more. Is Sphere of Influence: Ascension the only Nobunaga's Ambition game that has officer play?
Also has anyone played Taiko Risshiden V DX? Just saw it on the Japanese eshop and wondered if it was worth it.
What about this one?
This game is a ruler-based game similar to Rotk I-IV but it's heavily overshadowed by ROTK XI and the officer-based games.
The battle phase is interesting in that it's similar to NA:Iron Triangle in that it's a real-time system rather than turn-based.
9 is pretty good. Underrated, but fun. Combat reminds me a lot of 14, but in a good way (Though without the supply system). Otherwise it's pretty typical RoTTK. I would say it's most defining feature is it's presentation. Game has a very oppressive and dark atmosphere.
I would say give it a try. PS2 version is fine. Though it does miss some of the features from the PC Japanese only version.
It mostly uses mechanics from 10. There's council, building up relationships with other officers, practicing swordsmanship/duels with manual input instead of orders like 10's duels, even allowing you to become a merchant and sell shit. The battles are lacking in the visual aspect, but are more or less gangbanging the commander unit. I've yet to experience sieges or playing as a ruler in that game, but it was fun while it lasted.
Any Aerobiz fans?
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Reminds me of Outrun music.
Any manga like Sengoku Komachi Kuroutan? The alternate historical route despite the advanced tech is looking pretty quite solid. Came back to it after a year, and it hooked me back in.
The Man Who Killed Nobunaga's also good, but on hiatus. I don't know the reason for delays, but it was shaping up to be a good alternate historical take manga.
Frick it, I'm going to do it. I'm going to teach myself Japanese just to play non translated games.
Which game should I download/buy on steam?
Not on Steam but I'd recommend emulating one of the Pokemon Nobunaga games. They use very simple Japanese.
but they are in english...
I forgot that they eventually got a localization, my bad. But you should play them anyway, the Japanese is very beginner friendly, which you can't say for any of the other games in the series I don't think.
Mm actually not a bad idea. I want to learn japanese like that other anon but there's so many other things I have to do and so little time, in the end I'm not doing anything at all
> I want to learn japanese
good luck
>I'm going to teach myself Japanese
frick you and frick your shitty localization!
Taikou Risshiden
You can also like a madman like me and screenshot the menus and use google translate to translate the images directly.
I've translated Genghis Khan IV, the DS version of Nobunaga's Ambition: Reppuden and the DS version of Rotk V so far.
I might do that to get me going.
It's free online, but you could if you wanted I guess. I feel if you want to seem intellectual there are better books to do so.
If i wanted to seem intellectual i'd just show people that i post on /vst/.
The reason i want a physical book is mostly to get away from screens, so i guess a better question would've been if i should go Brewitt-Taylor or Roberts for translation.
Maybe /r/threekingdoms is a good place to ask, they seem to know their stuff
>Go to that subreddit
>See some threads calling Liu Chen, son of Liu Shan an evil bad guy who "killed" his wife and kids after his father surrendered to Jin.
Given the reputations and previous actions of the ruling Sima clan at that time, I'm not suprised he decided to kill himself and his family. The utter shame of his father surrendering didn't help.
That subreddit is full of pseudo intellectuals who parrot opinions of idiots like the-archlich, do none of their own research and then post shitty memes that are the equivalent of Chuck Norris jokes.
>Liu Chen
He was expected to kill himself. As was his entire family. They chose not to, he chose to. He was lauded as a hero for his act of dying with his state, unlike many others who chose to dishonor their family and state by living as captured guests. Sparing his children a fate worse than death as well. People are too attached to 21st century morals and cannot detach themselves in order to judge past figures.
'Sup Daolun
>People are too attached to 21st century morals and cannot detach themselves in order to judge past figures.
It's what happens when you unironically think humans are born good.
Menciusbros...
The standard appraisal for generations from the Five Dynasties, all the way to modern China are that Liu Shan betrayed his father with surrender, and Liu Chen wished to preserve his grandfather's legacy through battle, yet was denied and so chose the right course of action for a servant of the state. If you are unable to slay the villains, as you perceive them, you take your own life. Even if he hadn't killed them and himself, they all would've been butchered in the Yongjia Disaster anyways. Better your family kill you than the Xiongnu.
I've sort of given up on trying to 'prove them wrong', because someone new pops up to say the same thing. It's a very boring cycle.
Confascism is a blight on the world. Embrace Mohism.
I am not that anon, but hi. How's your Chrimbo going?
What do you think about the revisionism that Liu Shan's surrender was a good thing for Shu (it was doomed to begin with) and his reign wasn't that bad because it lacked of rebellions and court intrigue-related deaths that Wei and Wu had?
Imo, I felt like that it's less because of his competence and more due to being such a passive individual who spent his time indulging in pleasures everyone felt content not to shake the status quo. Jiang Wei had free rein to repeatedly attack Wei like a moron, Huang Hao had free reign to influence Liu Shan and control the government and the local nobility who never really cared about Shu in first place were just content to do their own things.
Liu Shan's reign was remarkably peaceful compared to most of his contemporaries, though a lack of rebellion isn't accurate. I've seen it bandied around a lot. Jiang Wei had to put down a few tribal uprisings, there were issues in the far south well after Zhuge Liang's famous campaign, as well as Wei Yan attempt coup the entire military and assume power. There were court intrigue issues, but none of these issues (sans Wei Yan if you really want to be critical) were any threat to the Imperial family, so they didn't have the same impact as Sima Yi overthrowing Cao Shuang, or Sun Jun couping Zhuge Ke, or the mass death that followed. I wouldn't say Liu Shan was /good/, but I would say that his reign was far more stable. He appointed the right people for the right posts for most of his reign, and it wasn't until the end when the court was split between a Pro Jiang Wei and Anti Jiang Wei faction did things seem to fall apart. The salt mines were neglected, harvests were smaller, the south grew more independent, the north was more neglected. The court was more concerned with getting rid of Jiang Wei than running a state properly, and Liu Shan at that point in his life was less concerned about ruling and more concerned with the pleasure gardens. In a way he was the ideal Confucian ruler in that he did nothing and let his ministers act for the state. Though they didn't do a good job.
>Jiang Wei had free rein to repeatedly attack Wei like a moron
I don't believe Jiang Wei's attempts were moronic. Personally I would argue he wasn't innovative, similar to Zhuge Liang. He wished to take the same path, cut off the west and force the surrender as Zhuge Liang did. Rather something more daring like Jiang Wan's Han river plan should've been attempted. But attacking Wei was really their only option. The south is inhospitable and barely developed, the east is Wu and their "ally", west is a massive mountain range and a flat plateau with nothing. North and toward their state goal of reunification was the only option. Could he have done better? Sure, but that is hindsight going off what information I have, as opposed to what a far more experienced and proven field commander had access to. So who knows. Maybe yes. Maybe no.
>Huang Hao had free reign to influence Liu Shan and control the government
Huang Hao also had a strong faction at court with the likes of Zhuge Zhan and Yan Yu at his side, who were men who enjoyed strong reputations even if their own ability wasn't great. However their control wasn't total. When Huang Hao attempted to strip power from Jiang Wei, Liu Shan only let him take half which proves the Emperor would put his foot down if he felt something was going too far.
>local nobility who never really cared about Shu in first place were just content to do their own things
Liu Yan wiped most of them out, but you aren't wrong in saying there was a strong local presence. There was an absolute divide with between Jing and Yi, and even Chen Shou's own work shows this if you examine the entries for Han. Many were rather disloyal in their retoric of opposing Jiang Wei, saying that Liu Shan was no Liu Bang, and so they must wait. IE the emperor is inferior, we cannot restore the state under him and Han must be divided for some amount of time until the next great ruler comes along. Chen Zhi and Qiao Zhou is an example of this. SGZ42.9
>I don't believe Jiang Wei's attempts were moronic.
Yeah, I agree. A lot of people think Jiang Wei is a moron for keep attacking the north nonstop fail to realize just how isolated and lack of resources Shu was. I think Jiang Wei understood that if he just wait around, Shu would eventually be outgrow in the resource department and all the talents just die off without being able to take even a single step past Han Zhong, but ultimately he wasn't able to think up any better alternatives and doomed himself and his entire kingdom to repeated failed campaigns.
I imagine Jiang Wei would probably be looked upon a bit more kindly if his attacks weren't so obvious futile. You could argue Zhuge Liang wasn't much better, but at least he was both more creative and more willing to cut his losses. Jiang Wei launched about eleven campaigns and none of them came close to accomplishing anything.
I also feel there's a bit of a "In hindsight bias". Yeah, Shu was isolated and lacking in resources, but with the benefit of hindsight we know Wu was almost certainly going to collapse before long with Wei/Jin not being THAT far behind. By comparison Shu, despite it's flaws, was way more stable and might have actually had a shot at reunifying the land long term.
I feel most fiction tries to make Liu Shan more than he actually was. Looking at him critically I think he was mostly just kind of a dude. Only really made noticeable by his position, for which he was just about willing to take enough responsibility to not be a total screw up. Which certainly does make him come across as rather inadequate compared to his father, who even at his worst was still a insane ball of charisma and will to power, but way, WAY better than the likes of Sun Hao or even Cao Fang.
Personally, I always found it kinda funny how Liu Bei/Liu Shang mirrored Liu Yan/Liu Zhang. Hardass father with a bunch of competent officers giving way to a failson who willingly gave up power despite the pleading of competent/loyal advisors to stick through it.
I guess it's true there's many people there with meme opinions there but every once in a while a Chinese speaker might show up and cite a bunch of historical sources to prove them wrong.
And yeah evaluating people from the 3rd century as "evil" is pretty dumb
I am one of them, and I can promise you the people who know things are few and far between. We mostly go there because we cannot stand to see someone be so dumb in public.
Loving this game at the moment. Finally got around to playing it. It has one of the best soundtracks of any video game and really makes you feel like you're playing a huge battle from a movie or Taiga drama.
There's some cool elements in the battle system. At first the game seems very limited, but it opens up later. There's morale, fatigue (soldiers get tired just by marching), different formations like ROTK9 and you can even edit the sub platoons of your unit with different unit types. Enemy officers can protest or ignore your orders if they don't like you. Honestly seems like a great basis for a battle system in Nobunaga's Ambition.
There's also some unusual realistic elements, for example turning your unit takes a long time and if the unit is bigger, it takes even longer. The game is very slow paced, but if you take your time and remain patient it stays fun.
I also like you can lose battles and get branching paths as a result. Great game.
Idk why Koei doesn't put out some cheap remasters of their pre-Tecmo-merger games. Something like DW4HD would be free money.
Anon they are remaking ROTK8, released in 2001
>Want to enjoy the kino Koei soundtrack while playing but it's some of the games are too slow and I don't like turning on fastforward because it makes games dull to play.
Is it possible to hack a game so that they can run faster or are there any other emulation tools to help me with this problem?
Well which ones are you playing? Generally overclocking the CPU in the emulator settings will help a bit. Frameskip might also help.
And if you really want to "hack" a game then you could try to apply FastROM to the SNES ones, but this takes some effort.
NA:Lord of Darkness, Genghis Khan II,Rotk IV and PTO 2.
I'm baffled by how these games are snail-paced while Nobunaga's Ambition (2nd game), Uncharted Waters: New Horizons and Liberty or Death are fast as hell without needing a fastforward.
Genghis Khan was one of their earlier SNES efforts and PTO 2 has so much going on in the background that I'm surprised that Koei even got it on a cartridge.
Honestly, I kind of have to admire most of their console ports. Considering how most western developers struggled with pc to console back then they did a very admirable job.
Generally speaking, increasing gamespeed in games speeds up everything, including the speed at which music plays. So faster gameplay would most likely lead to Koei nightcore.
I trust you guys, should i sink 80 bucks into the Brewitt-Taylor translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms?
Just watch it for free on Youtube
Only so long as you have or at least plan to read the Moss Roberts translation. No hate on the Brewitt-Taylor script since it's where everyone remembers quotes like "I would rather betray the world" etc. but it really does pale in comparison to the former (though the MR script can be a bit harder to read since conversations are written in continued lines rather than in new paragraphs")
Awesome, thanks. I do intend to read MR at some point or another as well, so that's good to know.
Total Shu Victory!
Shoutouts to DW4 neither having a screenshot button, nor letting me use any kind of screen capture, as any key or button pressed during a cinematic will skip it, forcing me to take a picture of my screen, like some tech-illiterate.
Overall it was a fun campaign, although I kind of regret picking Liu Bei as a character-- all the other Shu characters looked way cooler, especially Guan Yu.
I don't know if hitting max level makes that much of a difference, but I reached it after the second to last stage, and in there I barely took any damage from anything, while mowing down giant hordes of enemies. It was a very 無双 experience. I really felt like I had gone from zero to hero.
The ending is pretty funny because you wipe out an entire family in the last stage, and then it's immediately followed up by a ending montage showing the Shu characters engaging in frivolous activities, with Japanese pop music playing in the background.
On a side note, I am very surprised at how well DW4 Hyper works on my machine. While I didn't manage to get dynamic shadows working, as the work around fix you can find on the internet disabled subtitles for me, and it's capped at a strange 5:3 aspect ratio, it never once crashed for me, and the framerate was solid all the way through. The game even has more graphics options than DW8 does on PC. Seems like past-Koei actually cared about PC ports.
>Overall it was a fun campaign, although I kind of regret picking Liu Bei as a character-- all the other Shu characters looked way cooler, especially Guan Yu.
In my personal experience you can run about 3 characters at once without running into trouble with exp.
>I don't know if hitting max level makes that much of a difference, but I reached it after the second to last stage, and in there I barely took any damage from anything, while mowing down giant hordes of enemies.
I've put more hours into PS2 DW games than I have in most things, and I frankly still don't know how the flying dutchman levels actually work. Far as I can tell, the attack/defense/life powerups you pick up are WAY more important than levels.
>The ending is pretty funny because you wipe out an entire family in the last stage, and then it's immediately followed up by a ending montage showing the Shu characters engaging in frivolous activities, with Japanese pop music playing in the background.
Spoiler alert: That'' the only ending. Every other faction, even the like of Dong Zhou or Lu Bu, are just this same ending scene with the characters changed around. It's very lazy in a game that otherwise feels pretty high effort. Downgrade in scope and design of levels from DW3 aside.
>RoTTK 15 is announced.
>It's a officer game.
What feature do you want to see the most?
ROTK VIII Remake is kinda already that, but eh whatever.
I've said it already before, but actual inner politics would be really nice to have. Your own faction often barely feels like an entity and as someone who actually likes staying an officer the entire game that sucks because there's not much else to busy yourself with other than following the orders of your AI ruler or trying to tardwrangle him to victory once you get high enough. Give me jealous rivals at the court trying to hinder my genius plan to save Han to deal with or whatever.
It sucks there's nothing on sale on PC right now.
>KT
>sale
The better timeline when Kobayakawa Hideaki remained loyal to the Toyotomi, punished the traitors on Kyushu and married a daughter of the Ishida clan.
based!
MY GOAT
>no timeline where the East-West conflict is extended for long enough for Kanbei to blitz through Kyushu
Imagining Kuroda fricking shits overtaking the Ishida faction as Hideyori's regents and then completely taking over Japan using their status as the Toyotomi's vassals the same way the Toyotomi and Tokugawa used their own status as the Oda's vassals makes me laugh.
That's great, but can I get PTO V? Thanks.
I am very sorry that we were unable to release any new information regarding the PTO series in 2023. We will do nothing more in 2024, but please give us your support anyway.
Dammit!!
In original PTO you can go nuclear.
Bullshit. Way too controversial.
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How the frick was PTO even allowed, honestly.
It's like Germany making a world war 2 strategy game.
Kou Shibusawa
DW is dead.
I'm fine with it, frankly.
They just have to follow the formula from the old titles but with better graphics and gameplay. Also with the character story instead of the clan story, make the what if? come back. I want to see Nobunaga or Sun Ce survive
I think SW5 actually had a what if scenario.
Otherwise, I agree. Though I must admit with how bloated the cast has gotten I think making character stories that are as good as SW2 might be difficult.
>playing as Guo Jia under Lü Bu
>Bu attacks a random province beside Xia Pi
>loses Xia Pi
>regains Xia Pi, loses the other province next turn
>repeat
I kneel...
Which game? Because this is ESPECIALLY bad in RoTTK 7 in my experience.
I am surprised that Koei never made a Roman empire, grand strategy game.
Basically just L'Empereur but set in the final days of the Roman Republic.
Scenario 1: Caesar In Gaul
Scenario 2: Gallic Revolt
Scenario 3: Crossing the Rubicon
Scenario 4: Caesar, Dictator of Rome. (Where his assassination is a Honoji-like event where you either choose to play as Octavian or Mark Anthony.)
It's funny that Caesar is a playable character with his very own faction in NA:Reppuden in a fictional scenario. He's given extemely high stats and has all the domestic skills but has no battlefield skills.
>Caesar is a playable character
Wait..what?
Yes.
He leads the House of Gaius in Shikoku and Robin Hood(Genghis Khan IV), Joan of Arc (years before her Bladestorm debut) and Vlad Tepes(OG) are his available officers.
gonna try out this wacky bad boy soon
Give us your opinions when you've beaten it.
Bit sad how much KT's strategy game output has decreased in the last 15 years or so. Even Dynasty Warriors' future is uncertain.
I just want to make my own Koei games. Stuff they wouldn't touch like Vietnam and P.T.O. 5.
Nothing stopping you from doing so aside from your own unwillingness. Plenty of engines and tutorials on the internet nowadays.
I know this isn't a piracy thread, but Is there any place I can download the Japanese versions of Rottk PC games? I can find most of the English ones easily, but I struggle to get my hand on the Japanese versions of games like 11 or 10.
Japanese piracy is ass. Your best bet would probably be nyaa.
Why? Greenpig's ROTK 10 copy is Japanese iirc.
Isn't it Chinese?
Does anybody know a guide how to mod text in games like RoTTK 10?
Hey guys, did they add something new to awakening with the updates? if not I'll just play ascension I kind of want to play it again after reading drifters. Is there other strategy game about nips besides NA? I don't like Shogun because they don't have any historical figure and besides the combat there isn't much to do
You can try the Takeda games by Magitech
Systemsoft also made some but they're jp only
>takeda
http://www.ezgame.com/Takeda/home.html
I miss old website design.
Oh yeah, I know the game but I never played it before. Does it have something else besides combat?
Nice, I didn't knew this game, seems interesting
Shingen The Ruler
Having played RoTTK 9 a lot recently, mostly because I got a PS2 emulator to work on my phone, I have to say: Is Rottk 14 just a modernized version of 9? Seriously, the two games share a lot of DNA. Way more than 14 does with 11.
14 is a fusion of ROTK9 and 11. Though yeah they should've taken a bit more from 11 in terms of domestics.
Honestly, I don't really see that much inspiration from 11. I guess tactics and the grid based movement system is kind of like 11. Then again, 9 also had a tactic system that is pretty similar to the one in 14.
On that note, is there a secret to getting the AI to trigger tactics in 14? They seem weirdly reluctant sometimes despite the fact I tend to smash them as soon as possible whenever I have adjutant.
>Though yeah they should've taken a bit more from 11 in terms of domestics.
Even just copying the system from 9 would be a improvement, frankly.
The map is similar to 11 with grids and different terrain that affects movements and other things. Also officers have traits in 11 just like 14.
True.
I wonder if a tactic system more similar to 11 rather than 9 could have worked. Yeah, you would have to pause a lot but the game has no multiplayer anyway.
FOR YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN LIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG
about to sttart rotk 11, give a quick rundown tips etc etc
Who you playing and when?
Er... Off the top of my head
>3 1000 units are stronger than 1 3000 unit
>Cavalry can force a duel on the enemy officer
>tech search the Fire tech tree first thing so you could do Fire attack from 3 squares away and unlock Juggernault early to make sieges a lot less of a pain
>when you run out of money or have nowhere left to build stuff, Search with whatever AP you have left to get extra money and TP
>a unit's stat is determined primarily on the leading officer, and the leading officer is determined by either their LEAD stat or their titles, so never give titles to advisor/strategist or else the unit's attack will suffer a lot
>strategist/advisor however are perfect as adjutants, as their high INT can reduce the chance of the unit being inflicted with enemy's strategy
>some characters with special personal skill however, may not need an adjutant at all. Like Zhao Yun's personal skill has him immune to all kind of strategies so he's perfect leading the unit alone
>personal skills do synergizes together, so if you have Cao Cao and Xun You in the same unit, you can dish out strategies with 1 Will cost but have 100% success rate on all enemy units with less INT
>Wei Yan did nothing wrong
If you find the game slow because of developing conquered cities, you can try to keep conquering cities till the faction you're at war with is destroyed. This is preferable for small factions but not for developed and big ones. This allows you to get officers afterwards, and allow you some breathing room to develop your cities
For bigger factions, you can try conquering a border city and developing it in order to support your operations moving on, and allows a place where your main base of operations can send supplies in.
Specialize your cities too, based on their specialties and plots of land available. You can have manually controlled Big Cities to produce and deploy troops wherever, and other specialty cities producing gold and food that you can delegate to someone else.
I don't have anything useful to add but this is my favorite 11 track
I was going to ask in /vr/ but I guess here is better. I'm sure other people have asked before.
Like many other people, falling in love with those original Food Network US broadcasts of Iron Chef led me to KOEI music.
As I slowly sort through some newly uploaded soundtracks for the "Blue Wolves & White Doves" games, I have a question:
I understand that there are some soundtracks that were fully or partially orchestrated from the start (like those for some of the RotK titles)
but I'd like some clarification on soundtracks/songs that were released across multiple platforms, and that have both synthesized and orchestrated versions (like a lot of the Nobunaga's Ambition games).
When did the fully orchestrated versions come? At the same time, or afterwards, as a sort of special "thank you"?
Things like the "Uncharted Waters II - Special Edition" CD,
or stuff like H29E-20002 for Genghis Khan.
I want to get into koei games but my shit pc and empty wallet make it hard, is there any way I can play a translated rotk game that isn't shit and I can understand what's going on ?
The PS2 games can be easily emulated. I used to play them all the time on my toaster of a laptop.
any recommendations ? which were your fav
All the game has its own pros and cons and they are all good, but general consensus is that X is best for officer play while XI is best for faction play.. I also have a very soft spot for IX because of how RNG-dependent its combat is, which could lead to some rather funny situations.
RoT3K 3
Total Shimazu domination. Also Iehisa>Yoshihiro>Yoshihisa>Toshihiza
No Oda?
I just realized that 2025 will be ROTK's 40th anniversary. With ROTK8 coming out this year, I wonder if we'll get a new numbered title next year.
I hope so
What games are you playing right now guys? I'm trying out Iron Triangle and Kessen III on my PS3, managed to unify Kyushu as the Sagara on IT and I'm trying to get all the S ranks on Kessen, just finished Anegawa
Was in a middle of ROTK XIV's 208AD Liu Bei playthrough but lost interest after finishing off Cao Cao and Sun Quan because invading Ba Shu region is a massive pain in the ass in that game. So I ended up playing Total War TK after having not touched it since launch instead.
I tried to play NA ascension but I got bored the minute I started playing.. I'll just wait fot the next NA who focuse on officer gameplay
Isn't Ascension the only one to have had it and it was basically an afterthought? I love officer play ROTKs though so I'd like an NA in the same vein
Yeah, I like 10 it's similar to 14 to me but better. Honestly I know that if I start 14 or any other recent ROTK/NA I'm going to get bored
Started playing Aerobiz, Tupolev sales woman looks like a junkie
I love Aerobiz
The frick I just did?
Straight up owning Mexico City.
There been any news on 8 since the announced the delay?
They uploaded a few small clips showcasing different types of unit on Twitter, but aside from that, none.
What's a good ROTK to jump in as a newbie?
8 is getting a remake soon but right now 11 is probably the most beginner friendly of the ones i've played.
What's a good one for more advanced players? I've only played up to V, but I get the gist of it.
IV*
I've heard that a Vietnamese guy finished translated ROTKX PUK to ENG so i came back to play it, currently having a blast,
played as Lu Bu during Yellow Turban era, betrayed Ding Yuan, inherited Dong's empire after he died of old age, too bad my Lu Bu died at the age of 61 so I ended the run there
Which one? I can only find links from like 2020 so I assume it isn't the same one?
Yeah its the one in greenpig blogspot, even though the post said 2020, it was updated recently (2023)
Thanks, I'm sure I tried that but the file I downloaded seemed to be more than just translation stuff and although a lot of names were translated some were still chinese characters like Guan for example, is that the case for you?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10GZLjnWPwkXpQ6yWc331f3T0rX64j6iu/view?usp=drive_link
here, download this zip file and extract, click on window_mode.reg for windowed mod and san10_eng.exe or san10_eng2.exe to play English version
What's the difference between the PUK and the normal one? Because if the only difference are gameplay things like being able to edit my run then I prefer to just play the PS2 version
Power up kit adds following:
Battle history mode. In this stage attack game, story event changes depending on how to play the game.
Trial mode. In point trial mode, the goal is to earn as many points as possible in a battle. In victory trial, the goal is to use the assigned army to win as many stages as possible.
Ability to marry other generals in-game and raise offspring.
8 new NPCs available for marriage (most of them are characters from The Seven Heroes and Five Gallants).
4 new scenarios in January 211, June 221, February 253, January 250. In the January 250 scenario, nearly every character present during Three Kingdoms period appeared. In addition, there are new events.
City, item, general editors.
Expert (超級) mode. In addition to extra difficulties, the game mechanics can be further customized.
Logging feature. In addition to recording events, the logs are integrated with the world map to visually represent player's progresses.
The ability to upload your own portraits from your PC into the game, which can then be used by your original characters.
Scenario editor 1.00 adds the following:
'Alliance gathering' setting when editing alliance relations.
Assign start-up city for future generals.
Upgraded general, city, item editors.
The Power up kit features are incorporated into the re-released PlayStation 2 game (never brought outside Japan or Taiwan), except only 3 of the 4 extra scenarios are available.
so, only in this version my character can have childs and marry? Damn
Like the other anon said, quite a few stuff. Though I would say just play the PS2 version regardless.
>The Power up kit features are incorporated into the re-released PlayStation 2 game (never brought outside Japan or Taiwan)
Weirdly enough I can find zero evidence this is the case. I've tried scouring the internet but no PS2 ISO collection seems to have the rerelease.
I wish I knew how he edits text. The translation is good enough that I could easily clean it up, if I knew how to edit text.
I think he edited it using the San10 Editor by van. Don't quote me on it though.
Do you have a link tk that editor?
http://pigspy(.)ys168(.)com/
Under the SanEditor section. And click on San10Editor or find a diskette icon iirc near it
I'll try and see if I can make this approach work. Not sure where I would post it after I'm done.
Here? Also I don't know why everyone suck ROTK11 dick, the combat is boring compared to 10 or 13 and once you build everything you can't upgrade it anymore.
Also getting historical events is really hard because the AI is agressive even though I configure it to make them follow history
>Also I don't know why everyone suck ROTK11 dick
It has imo the most balanced character design in the series, since not just the stats are important, the unit affinities and personal skills make up for how useful an officer can be and almost everyone can have a role to play in. The different unit types and field facilities give smaller faction something to survive on and give more depth to the combat instead of bigger + stronger trumphs all, too bad the AI is not smart enough to take advantage of this.The duel and debate minigames are also the second best in the series (with X being the best)
I wish the PUK was translated because they fixed a lot of the bad things I said. I know it's probably translated but it's probably shit made with google.
But I understand why people liked because I feel that I have a lot of things to do in almost every turn but I don't think is that great.
Also, I heard that NA rise to power has better events and a more roleplay feel than Iron Triangle, is that true?
The events added in the PUK are the ones with the questionable translations. For the most part the game uses the retail ROTK 11 English localization.
The PUK adds a way to improve officers, more buildings, and upgrades for buildings, but yeah, it's mostly the same thing.
Where I can download the version with the PUK? From the greenpig blog?
Don't know if there's any links for it, I can probably upload it on mediafire if you'd like. Forgot I also had to upload IT with the PUK semi translated some threads ago.
Yeah, sure. Also the Yellow Turban scenario is fricking shit, I'm playing as Dong Zhuo and I even though the Yellow Turbant is dead I never got the event about He Jin death like in 10, also all the other warlords were alive at the time so I don't know what broke it
The best Pokemon game, I want a sequel
Rottk 11, even with Puk, has very few events. I'm not sure there even is a He jin assassination event.
Saw that the PUK was uploaded already. It checks out.
>I never got the event about He Jin death like in 10
Even in base ROTK 11 never got any events like that. 11 plays more of a sandbox which makes it more fun but stress inducing.
Cao Cao in Dong Zhuo Coalition is already nerve wracking with the new events that PUK adds. If you don't defeat Dong Zhuo or push him hard enough away from Changan I think, The next year afterwards all relations within the coalition will decrease and lead to everybody declaring on you. Given Cao Cao's position and number of men it makes the campaign a nightmare as you have to plan every conquest carefully and attack once you've defeated the hordes of former alliance members and Dong's army.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QK2z59ljv7bR8TTXU2KPUjGaFhz4_uR2/view
RTK11PK ENg here
I might.
Personally I think rottk 11 probably has the best domestic side. It blows 14 out of the water, that much I can say for certain. I like combat, though I can see why people would prefer the officer games, though I do think 14 is better in that regard.
Events are weird though. Like I said above, there just aren't that many. Not sure if there's even a inheriting Jing province event for the 207 start date.
>Events are weird though. Like I said above, there just aren't that many
I think you and others are just used to VIII's and X's abundance of events. VI, VII and IX don't have that many events either.
>Not sure if there's even a inheriting Jing province event for the 207 start date.
There is a Liu Biao's Death event in XI, yes.
True. Though VII is a special case considering it has events but most of them are so specific and vague they are nigh impossible to trigger.
Really? Huh, I guess I just always relied on the "Fleeing to Jong An" strategy and that breaks the event.
>There is a Liu Biao's Death event in XI, yes.
How do you trigger it? Are you just supposed to wait for Liu Biao to die from natural causes? I ask because I've been trying to get it to trigger for almost a day and I just can't seem to manage it.
Yeah, like other death events, it automatically triggers when Liu Biao dies of old age. Though I'm guessing you are playing the PS2 version? Because the event was added in the PUK.
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>Though I'm guessing you are playing the PS2 version?
Old pc version, site called Gamergate has it. Which actually has less scenarios than the PS2 version, go figure.
>Yeah, like other death events, it automatically triggers when Liu Biao dies of old age.
Strange. Liu Biao never actually seems to die in 208 even when I'm playing the PuK version with historical lifespan on. Which is a issue since I'm not quite good enough to hold Xinye for however long it takes for him to actually drop dead.
https://greenpig83.blogspot.com/2020/08/use-san10editor-to-change-name.html
here is how he edited General's name and texts (tool by vaan like you said)
Also the Korean translated ROTK 6-10 to their language with another tool
https://k66google-tistory-com.translate.goog/750?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=vi&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Yeah, I think I'll play Dynasty tactics 2 instead and later ROTK13, it has almost everything I like about X but a little worse.
I also I really like breakings dykes, shame they removed that kind of stuff.
Also i hate how i fail to climb the walls everytime and how weak my attacks are compared to my enemies
seems pretty unfinished unfortunately, UI is good but the dialog will randomly be Vietnamese. Hope the project continues.
>ROTKX PUK
so are all the events translated? Like can I read and understand or it's like a google translation one?
>or it's like a google translation one?
This. It's readable, but it's not good. Like, at all.
Frankly, I wish I could edit the text. I could probably fix it pretty easily.
Which Three Kingdoms game is the most like Nobunaga's Sphere of Influence?
Maybe ROTK13 because it has an RTS battle system and your army travels on roads on the overworld.
Warlords scenario is so fricked in 13 Yuan Shao starts with 7 cities.
What are preferred settings for troop recovery/expansion etc
Anyone know how you obtain a horse in DW4? There's an equipment slot for a horse but I've done an entire campaign without finding a single one.
Horses are special items that must be unlocked under the right conditions, just look it up on GameFA-
>can't access GameFAQs anymore
Wait, what the frick?
>Horses are special items that must be unlocked under the right conditions,
Why would they do this? Navigating the battlefield without a horse takes ages.
>Why would they do this?
Er... It's because that's how it was back in the PS2 days? Only in DW6 was they random drops and DW7 and DW8 have them as shop items because item unlocking was no longer a thing in those games.
Yes, but why would they ever do this? I get locking away especially strong mounts, but at least let me have a basic horse.
watch out, best Koei game comin thru
Objectively the weirdest crossover game I know in my entire gaming career.
it's funny how it only exists because Shibusawa likes Pokemon and the president of TPC likes NA
This game made me realize how shitty Pokemon cries sound.
Do you guys pronounce it "Die-nastee" or "Dun-nastee"?
Absolutely american post
USA
USA
I'm European.
I frickin love fire attacks
Are any of the newest rotk games good? Last one I played was 13
I only heard bad things about 14
The only new ROTK after 13 is 14. It is serviceable, better than 13 and 12 imo but it's overpriced as frick and some basic ass features like Historical Officer Edit are held hostage by the DLCs.
I like fourteen. Main issue I have is that the domestic side is kind of bad compared to games like 9, let alone 11. Combat is actually really good though. Also think the event system is very nice, which is probably why the 8 remake copies it.
On that note, you could wait for the 8 remake.
Yeah, I like 14 too and thought the map painting aspect is actually kinda neat, but it's really hard to recommend the game considering its price.
Oh, the price is pretty inexcusable when not on sale. No doubt about that.
Yeah, it can be. Liu Bei in 207 can seem downright impossible until you realize you can just flee southwards.
just pirate 14 breh, they had all DLCs
Do they have the Yilling DLC that is totally unavailable otherwise?
>all the DLC
Are you sure about that? They have a lot of DLCs
yeah bruh all of them
Not sure if I'm supposed to ask this here, but where did you download this? Looking to download this just for the DLC since i'm a massive obsessive loser.
go to some torrent site (1337x.to for example) and search for
"ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS XIV With PowerUp Kit v1.0.8"
Nice, thanks anon. I'm going to try it then after I finish my campaign in 11.
I didn't like 14 when I first try it but maybe I'll like it now
Ok, so I tried it and I'm poor, can't defeat anyone in combat and i suck.
Give me some tips
https://www.koeitecmoeurope.com/manual/rtk14wpk/en/7100.html
here is the ROTK 14 PK manual from KOEI
also just watch some youtube lets play and you'll get the hang of things eventually
Thanks. I'll give it a look.
14 is a weird game to me. There is a lot about it that works. At the same time, domestic is worse than a game that is over two decades old. Also way too much DLC and not all of it is good.
Thing I like about ROTK XIV is that you can take over regions for geographic advantage, after that you can send envoy to Persia, Rome, and various ancient civilizations to receive great items and gold
Yeah, it's fun. Also like the tribe mechanic, even though they feel way less impactful than they did in 9.
vgh...
what could have been...
Gongun is a stupid name.
Not to keep hammering on this stupid point, but I've tried looking into it and apparently the Liu Baio death event in ROTTK 11 DOESN'T just require him to die from natural causes. I've done that in a campaign and it doesn't seem to do anything.
I tried looking online and the only piece of documentation I could find on the subject is this thread on Gamefaq: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/931351-romance-of-the-three-kingdoms-xi/80571950
If this is correct, I think the issue is generally that for whatever reason the Southern Conquest event doesn't trigger. I have no clue what does or doesn't cause that, but since it seems to be tied to the AI I think the event is just kind of fricked.
Check the Japanese Wiki and translate it using google lens or google translate. There's an events page that I go back to from time to time. The wiki is a good material for learning obscure stuff about the games.
Do you have a link to the wiki in question?
https://w.atwiki.jp/sangokushi11/
Very good wiki. Wish it was officially translated, though Google is doing surprisingly well. Is there one for ROTTK 9 or 10 as well?
As for the event: https://w.atwiki.jp/sangokushi11/pages/925.html
Main issue I seem to run into is that Cao Cao refuses to annex Jinyang. Not sure if that's because I'm playing on easy or the AI is just always that dumb. Either way, should try and fix that.
I use this wiki search engine for Nobunaga's Ambition games, but it might work for ROTK as well.
https://wikiwiki.jp/
The AI for ROTK 11 is busted. They don't go on their respective historical route, become jobbers even with really good officers most of the time, or become so unstoppable early game that you have to restart to get better odds at surviving. It's kind of like every Koei AI actually, getting the same jobber AI in Tendou as well.
If that doesn't work, you could try:
wikiwiki.jp
I think it's also a search engine for Japanese game wikis. That's my primary source for Tendou and Sphere of Influence game mechanics.
Also, search primarily by typing sangokushi, the romaji for NA games also works surprisingly well. (Reppuden, Souzou, Tenkasousei, etc)
Saving both for future use, thank you for very much.
Honestly, the AI in 11 isn't even the worst. Going by what little I played, the ai in 9 is even more pathetic, Let us not even talk about 7. Still, it is annoying they are so bad at triggering even the few historical events in the game. Frankly, while the game gets a lot of deserves flack I do think the AI in 14 is better. They can keep pace up with the player at least somewhat when it comes to expansion. They also actually seem to understand when they have a major resource advantage and know how to keep a steady offense going. Wei in later scenarios is genuinly dangerous just because they never stop attacking.
Playing as Yuan Shu is fun, I started playing during the coalition against Dong Zhuo and I got a lot of good officers, I even got Lu Bu from Dong.
I hope I get the event to proclaim myself emperor soon, I have more than 3 cities already
I'm playing 11 btw
I think you need the imperial seal for that. Either way, good luck! He is a damn fun campaign, very much a perfect middle ground between a obvious handicap campaign and somebody like Cao Cao or Sun Jian that has more good officers than sense.
Off topic, but I kind of wish the non officer games had some kind of vassal system. Sun Jian in the 190 start date really should be a officer of Yuan Shu rather than a independent warlord. Same for Liu Bei in basically every start date until arguably 208.
>I think you need the imperial seal for that.
Yeah I don't think I have that because Dong Zhuo is alive and Sun Jian is alive too and except for Cao Cao nobody is trying to kill Dong, everyone else is trying to kill each other like morons instead.
Sounds historical, frankly.
Sadly, no. He's mostly remembered for getting murdered by Lu Bu.
my understanding is that Lu Bu killed Ding Yuan who is a different guy
Oh, okay.
Not sure about Ding Guan/Ding Gong. He doesn't even seem to be in the game, going by ROTTK 14. Which is weird considering anybody basically mentioned in official or fictional records is in that game.
>Sounds historical, frankly.
Kek, honestly I feel sorry for Cao Cao because he was attacking Hu Lao gates and Pan Zhang or whatever his name is, start attacking him out of nowhere from behind and I feared for his life but somehow Cao Cao survived both Dong and that other moron
It's kind of amazing how the whole "Hulao Gate" fight in real life was basically just Cao Cao, Yuan Shao, and Sun Jian (Under Yuan Shu) launching various attacks while everybody else in the coalition either sat around or backstabbed each other.
Make sense, those three are the real heroes of the ROTK
Well, Yuan Shao seemingly kind of went off the deep end in real history. Otherwise, agree.
I wish Dynasty Warriors gave Sun Jian more of a rivalry with Dong Zhuo. I get that a lot of his efforts were overshadowed by the fictionalized events in RoTTK, but they could still make him somewhat of a personal nemesis. Especially now that Sun Quan actually matters.
If they give more stuff to Wu in general that would be great
Agree. While I think a lot of the people working on the games do like them, if only because of how much love Zhou Yu and Lu Xun seem to get, they do still often feel like a third wheel.
btw anon, who's your favorite Wu character? For me it's Sun Ce and Lu Meng, mostly thanks to Warrior Orochi 1
That's a tough one. Sun Quan and Lu Meng are obvious picks, but I feel that might just be me being biased because I love the historical figures. Sun Shang Xiang is also pretty good but she falls off hard in DW6 and never really recovers.
I guess I would have to pick Sun Ce and Zhou Yu. They tend to be my favorite characters to play and I always like it when they get hypothetical content. I kind of wish Sun Ce got the chance to be the protagonist in a future game in much the same way Sun Shi got the chance in the hypothetical path in DW8.
>I kind of wish Sun Ce got the chance to be the protagonist in a future game in much the same way Sun Shi got the chance in the hypothetical path in DW8.
Yeah, ever since 6 Sun Ce never really had a protagonist role and he always die early.
I hope they fix him in 10 and give him back his tonfas
Sun Ce is the Wu protagonist in the Dynasty Tactics games if that means anything to you, different to Dynasty Warriors though
That was neat, actually. Especially since you could also keep Sun Quan, though I think that gave you the bad ending.
Yet Nobunaga's Ambition Awakening is not...
>The season passes are fine to skip?
Yeah, more or less. I like some of the DLC scenarios (Though the Start of Change is pretty bad), but unless you are really fond of the game they probably aren't worth getting. The most interesting thing they do is add more events to the game, which can actually make a pretty major differences for how difficult certain campaigns are. On that note, the Sun Ce event set and the conquest of Southern Jing event set make playing as Liu Bei in 207-208 or Sun Ce in 194 WAY easier. Which depending on how you feel might actually be a downside.
War chronicles are also pretty interesting. I like them, anyhow. Though again, I would only recommend them if you really like the combat of the game since it's mostly just that.
hmm yeah I saw that they had locked some historical events behind dlc, that sort of put a bad taste in my mouth so I ended up pirating it instead to try it out. I think I'll be buying 8 remake instead when it comes out.
and you were not kidding about the combat being very strange. I like supply lines as a concept, and I think a lot of the auto battler combat could grow on me, but automatic tactics is a bridge too far for me.
On the upsides, domestics feel much better than 11, both in terms of having lots of ceiling to growth and to not having to manually snap together every Lego farm grid.
What game are you guys talking about?
ROTTK 14.
I'm not too fond of it either. The one thing I can say in defense is that most of them kind of feel like a cheat anyway. Like Sun Ce's DLC basically gives you a "Get out of jail free" card for his otherwise decently tough start. You are correct with pirating the game though, if only because they are some start dates you literally can't buy.
Bit of advice: Use the adjutants system, they give you some degree of manual control over tactics. Also if there is one tactic that is way stronger than the rest consider only equipping them with them that tactic. It can still be kind of awkward, and I do sometimes wish you could just select tactics for all units.
To each their own, but I honestly couldn't disagree more. I really dislike the system. It's way less involved yet just as much of a hassle as the system in 11, mostly due to the poor interface. Having to reselect overseers and recruiters/drill sergeants after every single major invasion gets tedious enough that I tend to just mash Auto and forget about it after the early game, which is never a good sign. The system in Nobunaga Ambition Awakening is so much better I wish it was retroactively added to RoTTK 14.
do any of the games mention the titanium balls Ding Guan (aka Ding Gong afaik) had on him to essentially hurl an ivory brick at Dong Zhuo's face while in a palace completely filled with his soldiers?
>start reading ROTK and come across this scene
>take a break to browse /vst/ and see this post
Small world.
ROTK 13 is a lot more bearable after removing the friends quests that want you to buy a specific thing or travel half the country for some wine
Did you mod the game?
I did, with San13Editor. When you open the base scenario you can find the section that lists the quests. I don't really know what I did next I just changed all the values to 0 for ones I didn't want to do. Didn't notice anything else fricked up so far.
I should get into modding San games. Always stuff that annoys me but would be easily fixed. A shame the one for 10 is chinese. Though I do still intend to try and fix the translation.
Well, good luck with that I really hope you can as I'd love to play 10 on PC properly
Same. Though I must admit I'm almost tempted to try and start with ROTTK 11 first since that translation is in a better state.
Does Iron Triangle have a unlockable scenario or some kind of way to play as Hideyoshi/Shibata/Mitsuhide in the 1582 scenario? I ask because that tends to be my favorite part of any given Nobunaga ambition game.
After having "Obtained" Awakening and playing it for a while, I have to say it seems pretty fun but I'm a bit surprised it's not a officer game considering how much of it is focused upon delegation. I think it's trying to do what I think ROTTK 14 tried and failed to do with it's domestic side, which I mostly like. Combat is a bit weird though, though I'm sure I'll get the hang of it eventually.
>The good ending for ROTK VII is basically impossible to get unless you're a ruler yourself
Filial and incorruptbros...what did Koei mean by this?
Yeah, I think I shared the same opinion here before. Awakening is more or less tailor-made for something like Ascension unlike SoI. So it means that won't ever happen because Koei is managed by out of touch geriatric salarymen.
Is that where you have to basically depopulate and kill everything lol
You need to have high Safety, Commerce, and Land in all of your cities or else even if you did well the epilogue ends
>BUT THEN THE NOMADS RUINED EVERYTHING LOL GET FRICKED
>what did Koei mean by this?
Don't play as a Officer.
I think that should be pretty clear from playing the rest of ROTTK7. Only strategist is kind of playable.
I like the combat in 14, though I can see why some people aren't that fond of it. Otherwise agree.
I think you also need to not execute people or something. I did pretty well with safety, commerce, and Land but still got the bad ending.
Yeah, i enjoyed Awakening too. I think his combat is way better than 14 (I fricking hate combat I can't control fricking shit) and it's not too slow or to fast when you expand. It's a shame they remove a few of the things I did like of Taishi like the ruler passive skills
I'm trying to run a old torrent of ROTTK10 with a English translation. I cannot get it to work however. I got it installed, downloaded, and ready. But for some reason anytime I try to start the game nothing happens.
Which translation are you trying to use, the kongming net one or the one on the steam forums? Not sure if the latter will work if it's the pre steam one.
No clue. https://sid.hisgames.org/romance-of-the-three-kingdoms-10 This is the torrent I got.
Is the Kongming one better than the steam one?
Kongming is for japanese anyway the steam one for TC, might be that is the issue
Could be? Not entirely sure, I've managed to install the game and gotten teh translation to work but nothing seems to happen. It's kind of annoying.
I want a Dong Bai gf
>He wants Dong Zhuo as his stepdad.
I'll stick to Lady Sun. Having Sun Jian as your stepdad is equally terrifying but at least it's also kind of awesome.
>Sun Jian as your dad
>Sun Quan and Sun Ce as your bros
Sound perfect to me
Dong Zhuo would be neat as a stepdad, he gave titles and nice things to all his family
Is there a reason to actually invest in your economy in Lord of Darkness instead of just playing the ricecoin stocks?
Is there a torrent of Sphere of Influence out there that has all of the DLC? Or do I need to download Ascension for that?
I think cs.rin.ru has a download
It's hard to say since most of the links on the thread seem to be dead, which is annoying.
Yeah, that's the problem I run into.
I got a torrent from elsewhere, but for some reason the DLC doesn't work there.
Is Ascension a expansion or a standalone game?
It's SoI with officer play and some other revised mechanics crudely grafted onto it sold as a standalone game.
I see. It's generally seems to be less popular than SoL, which is why I asked.
*It generally seems to be
It's generally disliked because
>The officer play is was put into a game that wasn't designed for it at all and it really shows
>It completely broke the base mechanics of one of the better games in the series and what it broke was never fixed. Like, literally, the AI can't fricking play the game and KOEI just dropped it there.
Honestly, it's a shame how we still don't have a proper officer focus NA
It's funny to me since Awakening could probably work with that approach.
I feel like NA is an afterthought and I'm tired of it
You get one and only one:
Ports of old RoTTK and Nobunaga Ambition games to Mobile.
Official English translations for every game on Steam.
Remakes of every PS2 era game.
tough choice between 2 and 3, but I'm gonna have to go with 2
>Official English translations for every game on Steam
This but add taiko risshiden to the mix, if you don't. I'm going to wait for the remake of ROTK8 to see if I want those
Going with 2 assuming PUKs are included.
Which Koei game has the best tech upgrades gameplay?
Here's the one's from what I've played.
NA Iron Triangle: The best. Basically you need the required no. of specific academies, then 3 officers with the required Aptitude and high Misc Stats to research the tech. Along with upgrading, you can also use diplomacy to accquire Tech from allies.
Genghis Khan IV: Tech comes in the form of Cultural Items that have varying effects such a permanent culture level increase to being able to recruit specific units (Crossbows for crossbowmen, Plate Armor for Heavy Infantry). You either take over a city so you can accquire the items or increase a city's cultural levels to thebmax to accquire the items.
Rotk XII: You can research techniques by gaining AP points from almost every tasks from domestic tasks like drills or building to battles and needing 3 officers.
Rotk V- The weirdest tech gameplay. Tech is used to strengthen and add effects to specific battle formations and it can only be accquired through diplomacy through strict requirements.
1. Both factions must be allied.
2. Both factions must have enough funds to pay for the tech.
3. The parent faction must agree to the faction to the request to research the tech. If a faction has grown too strong, factions will refuse to research tech with you no matter how good your relations are and some factions will outright refuse to share tech with you to maintain their monopoly.
how do you play Genghis Khan IV on new windows anyway? using dosbox?
It doesn't since it was released on 1998.
You just need the img file and a virtual cd program like WinCDemu to install it.
That ROTK V's tech sounds really weird and limiting it's kinda intriguing.
It's still not a good game, but it's not as bad as everyone and their mother would like you to believe.
>game is no longer a stuttering mess and could run at 60 FPS
>the new combat is pretty and a breath of fresh air from the usual normal/charge combat system, especially after you got some +Attack Speed gems (provided if you can click with the new combat system)
>game has one of the better Photo Mode with plenty of customization options to mess around with
Though even with all the updates, it still can't fix the clone issue, empty open world or the lack of proper stage designs.
I'm playing Empires now and I really don't like the combat I feel it's like that meme where you touch one button once and your character do 20 moves.
I'm just playing it because Dong Bai and Huan Xiong are there
While I don't dislike them as additions, I kind of wish we got Li Ru already.
They could try doing a DW focused on a specific part of the era, like a Lu Bu-centric game or something. SW's tried doing that in their last few games (with mixed results, Spirit of Sanada was good fun, SW5 wasn't as good due to some pretty strange character writing decisions)
Main issue with a Lu Bu game is that, even in fiction, his military career really isn't that long and illustrious. Zhang Liao would almost make more sense if you are going to focus on just one specific era or guy.
I think Gao Shun could work if he was used more as a mentor for Zhang Liao. He even gets the customary Obi Wan death.
Dong Zhuo Gaiden, telling his story starting out as a chivalrous shonen hero and depicting his fall to becoming a fat ntr bastard
Would be fun but I doubt they would ever do that.
It's a crime against the heaven that Gao Shun is still not playable yet. I know his role kinda got filled out by Zhang Liao already, but man...
True, those two would be really nice, I really like Gao Shun.
>or the lack of proper stage designs.
Honestly, this is what killed most of my interest in the game. DW games for me live or die based on their stage design. It's why I will actually defend DW6 despite it's many flaws.
I love how IT handled tech and I was wondering if Tendou went about it the same way?
The more I hear about GK IV, the more it seems like a hidden treasure.
Nope, in Tendou, tech is based on resources and the type of village you have. There's three tech tiers requiring their respective tech villages (Artist 1s for Tech 1s, etc). Tech 1 requires no resources, Tech 2 only requires one, and Tech 3 requires two. There are also clan specific techs that trigger for 8-11 prominent clans in the game. Most of them are anti-debuffs for certain troop types or domestic buffs and are useless late game, but some (Oda's faster firing guns and Date's buffed Dragoons) are extremely powerful.
Liking IT's better just by that explanation alone. Thanks.
damn is this where /eagg/ ended up? Glad you guys found somewhere
Is DW9 good now after the millions of update patches Koei did for it?
>Play ROTK VIII as Jia Xu
>The scenario intro has him tell Li Jue that Chang'an has almost no men and is ripe for the taking
>They actually have as many men as we do
Literally unplayable
There are a lot of SNES strategy games being fan-translated lately, not the Koei ones though lol
AI-assisted translations are a thing now, harder to do with Koei strategy games with all the different Chinese/Japanese names as well as how much text there is in them to translate and all that
>download Jiang Wei LoCC mod
>virus
>Download Lu Bu LoCC mod
>its unbalanced and requires perfect play.
its suffering being a LoCC fan.
Somehow you think it would be the other way around.
YOU REALLY WOULD THINK SO HUH? but no it's the other way around where I never feel like I'm as strong as Lu Bu should be.
the Miyoshi in general are either paper tigers due to their awful logistics or absolute pains in the ass since they start off with a frick ton of dudes that you can't beat without years of build up.
Can't speak about RoCC mods, but Lu Bu tends to have pretty tough campaigns in Romance where the only thing keeping them doable is some very good military officers. Granted, how strong he is depends heavily on the game.
I know in total war the main issue he faces isn't his military, which is amazing, but everything else (starting location, economy, lack of easy expansion options, etc etc.)
I'm reminded that I never did fully beat dynasty tactics 2 but I did do atleast half of it, i should get back to that.
You know, I like Joined up together as a mechanic, that's why I have it on, but the results can be a bit... random.
Also they seem to favor Liu Zhang/Yan. Not sure why.
what's a good first game to get into? i can read nip if that makes a difference
You interest in Chinese history or Japanese history?
slight preference towards japanese but i don't know much about chinese so learning about that could be fun
>i can read nip if that makes a difference
It does since most of the really good ps2 era games are only available on Steam as Japanese.
I'm gonna shill this chinese indie take on the SNES Koei formula I've been playing since it was in oily access.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/577230/Three_Kingdoms_The_Last_Warlord/
Mechanically it's closest to Wall of Fire, both in terms of combat and domestics. You're expected to AI control most cities except your capital most of the time, but you can dip into manual control as needed.
Honestly it's most clever innovation is removing the ability to reward officers with flat payments of cash. You need to give them specialty items (with accompanying stat boosts), and only items better than their current ones will actually make them happy. Makes the loyalty game much trickier.
A decent number of start dates but no historical events after game start as far as I can tell. I don't mind a sandbox but I feel I should say it.
If you leave cities low on troops your neighbors will fight you, but getting an alliance is super hard, so expanding beyond your first city is tricky.
If you want a simple enough start, go Cao Cao in the Dong Zhuo coalition scenario, build up your forces for a year and then declare the coalition war via the strategy tab to get 12 month alliances to secure your flank.
There's a strong emphasis on fame/reknown building because that and rapport are the big ways to get recruitment chances up.
Oh, and the translation is dodgy, but in a funny way more than a hard to play way imo.
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/577230/Three_Kingdoms_The_Last_Warlord/
Is it available on smartphones? I ask because it's either this or booting up a PS2/snes emulator.
i heard that the translation is shit that's why I didn't even pirate it
Bros...I think my liege might be moronic.
Fatuous lord
The Scenario Maps for Genghis Khan IV, the last two are only available if you install the PUK.
What do you guys think about the available playable countries?
Pretty decent. Only real issue I have is that a few places could probably use more cities and factions.
I wish somebody would translate this game. I'm in the mood for something like this sometimes and Medieval 2 mods will only get me so far.
How does one get the blue skills in ROTK 8? The guides over at gamefaq say that you simply need to train at the barracks in certain regions but I've been doing this for a while and seen no sign of them.
does anyone still play RTK1
2 on SNES is the superior version
agreed, that's my favorite one. Did you know that 2 was also released on NES? It's great that KOEI released the same title on both platforms for those who maybe couldn't afford to upgrade to a SNES by then.
>NA:A
FRICK THE MIYOSHI
If i try to do anything they will sperg and come after me
Isn't there a event chain that totally demolishes them?
Ashikaga runs can be pretty frustrating when they just steal your capital for free.
I forget the history but I'm pretty sure the Miyoshi almost took over Japan very early on in the era, underrated due to not really being focused on much
14 is on sale.
The season passes are fine to skip? Looks like it's just a couple challenge scenarios/start dates/art packs.
I sure love the horserape that Iron Triangle does.
How do you guys seriously deal with the Takeda and the Uesugi being blobs of death?
Massed guns?
Also, what emulator are you using.
I'm playing as the Date clan and barely holding off waves of armies that the Uesugi and Takeda send after me with an almost completed cav tech until pic related happened.
I'm using NetherSX2 (a modification of AetherSX2 PS2 emulator) since I now have a powerful phone to play on the go.
Ah, I see. Is diplomacy viable? Haven't played much Iron Cross to be honest, but playing the Takeda against the Uesugi or vice versa seems like a decent strat.
I might try that one, Aether keeps crashing for some reason.
>Get Lu Bu and the Liu Bei gang for Yuan Shao
>He fricking puts all of them to handle those helpless minors around us
>Meanwhile literallywhos and me are supposed to hold back Cao Cao on our lonesome
Something tells me I really should've agreed to join Cao Cao when he took Ye from us...
Don't you fricking dare to betray our lord and savior Yuan Shao! You keep your ground and push Cao Cao shit with the shit you were given
You're trusted, the modern Midas, who can pull off miracles with lower grade troops, while Lu Bu and Liu Bei have to get used to fighting alongside your forces in less important theathers that won't make them lose everything when Lu Bu charges ahead, without your troops being ready for it, and Liu Bei deserts/gets sidetracked to make deals with some other lords.
Think of it this way, Cao Cao can't tempt Liu Bei if Liu Bei isn't here, and if he tries anything Lu Bu's gonna hunt him down.
Redpill me on Romance of the Three Kingdoms and where me, a homosexual with no experience aside from recognizing some of the Chinese names and provinces, should get started.
>Redpill me on Romance of the Three Kingdoms
An Empire long divided must unite. An Empire long united must divide. So it has ever been.
>a homosexual with no experience aside from recognizing some of the Chinese names and provinces, should get started.
Every game in the franchise is available on Steam, but only 13 and 14 are in English. General consensus is that X is the best officer play game, and XI is the best faction play game, both of which have English version on PS2.
XI also has an English version on PC, it's just not on Steam.
Watch the 2010 series on YT.
Did you know that if you get really high renown on the patriot prestige tree in the 13 PUK, you sometimes get offered rulership of a small force after finishing a quest in its territory?
I just found out about this today during my Zhou Cang bandit playthrough and I think that's gonna be the theme of a Liu Bei playthrough next. Abdicate from Pingyuan, do quests and occasionally join forces while they're losing to try to maintain the balance of power and then go back to patriot to try to get enough renown to be offered a crown. Get that Liu Bei from the novel experience without relying on event triggers.
The prestige system really is quite fun once you learn how to use each role to it's strengths and be willing to hotswap between them as needed.