Just finished the entire series...
I couldn't be more disappointed. Loved the first and second game, but the third one just made me hate it all. It feels like Danganronpa again.
Zero Escape
Just finished the entire series...
I couldn't be more disappointed. Loved the first and second game, but the third one just made me hate it all. It feels like Danganronpa again.
MIND
v3 is subversive kino and weebs don't like it cause it makes fun of them waaah 🙁
I just feel like it ruins the other games. Simple as. For Zero Escape, the third one did it as well but maybe even worse since at least for Danganronpa the first and second game can stand up on their own
> just feel like it ruins the other games.
thats literally the reason why its so good
Welp I didnt see the fun in that. I can applaud it for at least being not dumb but actually pretty bold and unique unlike this fricking series
even if you think that v3 is supposed to have some meaning behind it (it doesn't), the actual events of the game aren't that interesting and most of the murders are pretty by the numbers stuff, with case 5 being the real highlight
Case 5 was shit because everyone kept trying to figure out who really died when it was very obvious that the point was to outplay Monokuma. Shuichi should have realized that the moment they conclude that they can't identify who actually died. Instead, he spends the entire case unironically figuring out who actually died and then at the last second goes "wait we're trying to trick monokuma nvm guys i had it the other way around lol" Actual fricking morons, all of them.
Uh-oh!
the game wasn't that fun as a danganronpa game, it's that simple. dr2 is far more enjoyable
I thought it explored some ideas really well tbh. Each case is meant to be something youve never seen before.
So you have a case where the protag was the culprit, one where the culprit doesnt know he did it, one where the obvious culprit is exonerated only to be revealed as the killer, and, my favourite, an attempt to create an unsolvable case by making the both the killer and victim completely unknown and interchangeable.
You can cry about the "It was a TV show" all you want. At least it was creative, at least it had balls.
This. People wanted DR2 again, they wanted a third Junko plan, blah blah blah
>third Junko plan
Further proof that DR fanbase is unsalvagable. The Junko asspull at the end of DR2 was a dumpster fire. Her story should have ended with DR1.
Oh yeah Anon? Where's Kodaka working now?
Spike Chunsoft, he's making his own AI The Somnium Files.
>Kodaka will make a better version of Uchikoshi's game
I'm ready for Kodaka kino.
The Answer I was looking for was Too Kyo Games, but I see they needed money so went back to Spike Chunsoft as their publisher.
Danganronpa is an Ace Attorney rip off
Enigma Archives Rain Code looks like a Ghost Trick rip off
v3 would have been good if Kokichi wasn't in it
No way, he was great. A proper mastermind troll, giving Monokuma a run for his money. He was probably just a bit TOO over the top.
>Totally unrelated to 1 and 2
>WAAAAH, V3 RUINS THE FIRST TWO!!!
You're moronic. Simple as.
V3 gives closure to the series. Zero Escape 3 leaves a ton of unanswered questions that we were told were going to be answered.
so you didn't understand the ending then, midwit
yeah I liked V3 but ZTD was fricking awful and neglected the things I was most interested in from VLR
Here's the problem: Even people who hate V3's ending concede the rest of the game is pretty good, because it's still a fricking Danganronpa game. It is immediately recognizable as such, and despite what some people may think, it is explicitly intended as a celebration of and grand finale to the series.
Zero Time Dilemma is almost unrecognizable as being part of the same series. It's more in-line with a David Cage game than with VNs like 999 and VLR. Its artstyle is shockingly ugly and its 3D models are somehow even worse than VLR's, which were already pretty bad (the fact that AI's models look as good as they do is insane to me but it shows that Uchikoshi listens to criticism at least). Returning characters are laughably out of character, plot threads from previous games are outright retconned, there are very few puzzle segments and the ones that are there are laughably easy, and one of its only redeeming qualities is that its main villain is funny because he's just an old version of Albert Wesker. Finally, whereas V3 has a definitive ending (while it is open-ended, it leaves zero room for any sequels ever) ZTD sets up a ZE4 that will never happen, and if it does it'll probably be even worse as Uchikoshi is likely completely out of ideas for the series.
ZTD is at least funny, though. VLR is just boring and 20 hours longer than it should be. 999's the only good Zero Escape game. In contrast to Danganronpa, a series that only got better as it went on (DR1's a 6, DR2 and UDG are 9s, V3's a 10, 3 never happened).
Addendum: Remember that Uchikoshi is the same guy that thought VLR needed to be a 3D game because he thought the 3DS could only have 3D games on it
Wait, is that seriously the reason?
That's hysterical.
Why do you think Akane gives that whole speech about three dimensional thinking or whatever the frick
Frick, I hope that's true.
You're definitely right that ZTD made great memes.
>VLR is just boring and 20 hours longer than it should be.
mfw
Oh I forgot to mention, the amount of times VLR repeats content in different routes is fricking unacceptable. I'm really glad Uchikoshi learned his lesson in AI and Nirvana Initiative and the routes in those games are nigh unrecognizable from one another.
>In contrast to Danganronpa, a series that only got better as it went on (DR1's a 6, DR2 and UDG are 9s, V3's a 10, 3 never happened).
Opinion discarded. DR1 is an 8 or a 9. DR2 is a 6 or a 7.
>DR1 is better than DR2 take
yikes, kys
The problem with v3 is that it wastes 3 hours going round and round on the same basic shit
nah being "lol subvertnd" isnt good writing
You are replying to a troll post but you are still wrong, somehow.
nah im correct
The point v3 made was good regarding the even if the show was fake the participant's suffering is real and Shuichi convincing everyone to just stop playing the fricking game just to stick it to the audience even if it meant their deaths was actually kino. It stopped being kino after the 3rd or so hour of making that point though.
All I wanted to have cute Phi Sigma end, ended up getting something fricked up and the game doesnt even give a damn epilogue for them...
I do know that it was amazing this game even happened but god damn
Welcome to the club anon, we all felt exactly what you felt so many years ago. The series is dead and it went out not with a magnum opus, but a moist fart to the face.
>shipping phi and siggy
Yeah I fricked up too, I liked their chemistry towards the end of VLR and I was sold after cold kuudere phi broke down crying when siggy got shot. One of the many reasons I hate ZTD and will never forget it. Ruined that pairing in the worst way possible. I was also upset that Siggy didn't get an epilogue. He's my favorite protag of all time and I have no idea what happened to him after ZTD. He deserved better.
>prisoners dilemma but dumber
Injecting is the easiest option.
Morgana is good, it's pretty heavy on the topic of gender identity, but know that it's a pure VN, there's almost no interaction.
You have no idea. This shit got cancelled originally. All the fans rallied for 2 years to convince cucksoft to give Uchi a chance and this is what we got.
>You have no idea. This shit got cancelled originally. All the fans rallied for 2 years to convince cucksoft to give Uchi a chance and this is what we got.
yeah I heard about this. Cant imagine literally begging for a sequel then getting something that just felt very cheap...
>Zero wants to prevent a nuclear war from a religious fanatic that will kill 6 billion people
>So he creates Radical-6 and unleashes it to kill said religious fanatic, which ends up killing 6 billion people
>Also he's a religious fanatic of his own cult
I loved how the game just pushed in this shit and really didnt expand on it at all. I couldnt believe when the game actually ended. I thought I was only 2/3 in
Also it's funny just how much fricking absolute bullshit Mira is responsible for.
>She kills Eric's mother as her first murder
>This caused Akane's father to be falsely arrested, convicted, and executed, and also Eric's father would strangle his brother to death and force him to dump the body
>Akane's mother committed suicide soon after
>Akane's father tried to take a cab, but because he was under arrest the cabbie took a surgeon instead
>Said cabbie got in an accident and died, along with the surgeon
>The surgeon's death means the boy he was going to operate on, Sean, died without treatment
>With Akane's parents dead, she got abducted by Ace and was forced to participate in the Nonary Game, resulting in 999
>Akane then learned about the Radical-6 plan and took part in the Decision Game, leading to Delta and Phi being born in the timeline where Diana is trapped in the facility with Sigma
>Delta would later found his own cult and go back to create the Decision Game
>In the timeline where D-Team decided to blow up part of their ward to escape, Zero placed Q-Team behind the door, leading to Sigma trying to defuse the bomb
>He failed, and Eric and Sean died as a result
>Mira survived though, and in revenge for the bomb injected Phi with Radical-6, leading her to become patient zero for the pandemic, leading to the deaths of 6 billion people
>Resulting in Virtue's Last Reward
ALL BECAUSE OF MIRA
Snail eye-stalks typed this post.
Why did he do it?
Frick I didnt actually yet connect the dots half of that shit. What a fricking game
That's sorta literally the point anon.
Mira is a shit character with absolutely no redeeming features however. It's like he was trying to make someone worse than Alice, although I don't think he succeeded there
>spoiler
to be fair, that's outright impossible
>wakes up from a coma just to hit betray
>even if sigma had betrayed her, she would've had enough points to keep going safely
>and if sigma picked ally, she would have downed his point total below zero, sentencing him to death (and this actually does happen)
>and she did this even though Sigma was the one who found the cure vial and saved her worthless life
>because lol lmao
WHATS HER FRICKING PROBLEM
Almost all accurate, but you might have forgotten that there is no going back/shifting only MIND HACKING
Diana and Sigma use the Transporter device to essentially duplicate Delta and Phi in the past, giving their clones a chance to live better lives instead of starve to death in the facility. Delta cannot SHIFT, so this is the only way he can traverse through different realities. Phi ends up first in 1904, where she's then put back in the Transporter again and duplicated again in 2008, meaning there's at least 3 individual instances of Phi running around in one timeline.
Life is simply unfair.
You might be misremembering.
The fanatic living would cause the whole of humanity to go extinct.
That's the whole point of the decision game after the Biolab room on the Team Q route
Yeah, it was pretty blunt in its adaptation of the trolley problem
>Would you kill 6 Billion to stop all 7 dying?
>that will kill 6 billion people
No, the entire point was that the nuclear war would wipe out EVERYONE while Radical-6 would wipe out 75% of the population. This plot point was demonstrated in the biolab, with the "Fanatic Bio R" virus being a very thinly veiled analogy for it.
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>Loved the first and second game
VLR sucked.
I liked it. I admit the Sigma twist might be bit problematic but otherwise it was real nice. Loved the characters and their interactions. In the end thoug it did kinda do the same thing as Super Danganronpa did, made the entire story go off the rails and in the third installment it became a disaster when the writer couldnt finish his own story well
ZTD doesn't even finish anything, it's another cliffhanger. It barely advances the story.
V3 is better than anything Uchikoshi could ever write
I was talking about the anime in this context that finished the actual story
I love the idea of the twist, and I get they tried to explain it a little (No mirrors, zero gravity) - but you really expect me to believe he never once looked down at his body?
He never once looked at his wrinkly old hands and thought "Wtf?". homie is constantly looking at his death watch.
They probably shouldve had him in some kinda suit with only his face showing
There was a window though and people actually used it in the game. His hands were robotic anyway and I think they didnt actually look that old when they showed them which makes sense
There is no excuse for the mirror and the fact that he never once touched his face and wondered what the frick is with his eye
That mirror looks like it only gives you a super blurry reflection, thats what Ill headcanon in any case
I rewatched the scene were it is actually used (Kyle in the non-canon another end) and it is indeed dirty as hell so he needs to wipe it. There is still the damn eye though...you would think he would once touch his face
What was the reason for the eye though? It being there provided nothing other than make not noticing it dumb.
Like, it could have been a robotic eyeball (or as some'd say, ai-ball), a contact lens and it'd work just as well for whatever purpose it had
Yeah the eye being gone is pointless. Absolutely no reason for it and it just makes it dumb
FILTERED BY VERY COMPLEX MOTIVES OF UCHIKOSHI
AI is better
AI: The Somnium Files? Worth the shot if I am done having my heartbroken because of shitty third installments?
The first game is good, but the 2nd game is way worse and gave off similar feelings of disappointments to ZTD. It's overall very mixed.
Yeah AI Somnium Files. Much better than ZTD and I would argue better than VLR. Not as good as 999 though.
Yes, it's fricking good. Will wash the ZTD out of your mind.
It has some cringy anime shit but it's worth it.
Better than ZTD? Yes
Better than 999? No
>Another one that fell for Uchikoshi's hack writing
Welcome to the club, anon. You should've seen the threads in 2016, people got their hopes crushed in every single way possible. The same thing is happening to Somnium Files games.
>The same thing is happening to Somnium Files games.
I've generally seen people being positive about it, besides the LGBT shit. Looking at its all time high on Steam I think it's even sold better than ZTD which is frustrating
>I've generally seen people being positive about it
that's because anyone with a brain bailed after ZTD was so bad, so the only people who actually played the AI games are the morons with no standards i.e. danganronpa fans.
>I've generally seen people being positive about it
Like I said, it's mixed. Some people like it, but some are extremely disappointed. Recent threads have people picking apart every storybeat, character or every wasted potential that didn't happen. Some have become even more delusional to the point of saying ZTD is better than AI2.
>ZTD is better than AI2
Kek absolutely not. AI2 is a very noticable stepdown but it's not nearly that bad.
I actually think AI2's even better than the first, it's just that the plot twist made me have to actually sit down and reexamine the entire plot up to that point for 20 minutes, which, while cool and indicative of a good "insane" plot twist, I didn't want to do nor liked doing.
>Some have become even more delusional to the point of saying ZTD is better than AI2.
Holy shit, if this is the case I'll just drop AI, I wasn't enjoying it anyway.
Sort of unrelated but I saw some anons recommend Gnosia and Fata morgana, they both have the lgbt tag on steam, how pozzed are they exactly?
Oh frick, I was about to mention Gnosia.
How pozzed? I'd say 3 on a scale of 1 to 10.
Some characters are called nonbinary but legit nothing happens besides that. They aren't even trans.
I don't think there's any homoshit in it. Unless you choose to be a girl, because then the main girl is still kinda flirty with you.
There's e-girls, murder, BDSM, domination, though.
>Some characters are called nonbinary
Sorry but that puts it at like a 8 or 9, bro. I still don't know what it means by nonbinary because troons are insane and change the definition every year or so.
nonbinary is just... It's just a girl or boy who says "eh, I am not a boy or a girl, I'm just whatever".
And I confirmed: two characters claim to be Nonbinary (one is obviously a girl) and the other is just a weirdo.
There's really nothing else, and it seems others said the same:
>nonbinary is just... It's just a girl or boy who says "eh, I am not a boy or a girl, I'm just whatever".
I've seen some weirdos on twitter that say they're a she/they and then call themselves non-binary. I think I'm just too old for this shit. I'll pirate Gnosia when I feel like it, I'm still learning Japanese cuz localization trannies have become really insufferable now.
No issue, it's a strange type of game. Fun though.
but the LGBT+ shit has literally no impact in the game; it's at best flavor text you don't even have to read, unless you read character profiles.
I would add this game features legit aliens and talking dolphins and a guy who is becoming a cat. it's a weird game, and I think it really was a stupid localization change because there's nothing to indicate being nonbinary anyway.
The "non-binary" thing was the troonylators. A more proper translation would be N/A which is what it fricking says in their profiles even, as in they either had their parts removed or are androids.
>as in they either had their parts removed or are androids.
Jesus Christ and they called this non binary? I fricking hate translators.
>Some characters are called nonbinary
Guess I'll skip it then, I can't stand this shit. Thanks anon.
This, I had so much fun with the first 3 chapters I still love the game despite the awful ending. I also enjoyed the alternative endings, newgame+ stuff and death commentaries (extra stories were sort of meh), I wish more vns had this kind of stuff.
Isn't the nonbinary crap usually some translation frick up? They did the same in 13 Sentinels and it would have been a shame for me to miss on that because of it.
Gnosia isn't really that pozzed. There is one character who wants to make himself sexless because he idealizes logic above all else, and the term they use for that english translator chose to translate it as was already a real term in the LGTBIQ nonsense lexicon so there was a whole shitstorm about it on twitter. Outside of that one moment there really isn't much of anything at all.
Haven't played Fata Morgana but I've heard a main character is a troony.
Guess I'll skip fata morgana as well. Thanks anons.
Gnosia has a few characters without a listed gender. There's also pic related, who's male but is "pan" which is a stupid in universe term for being non-binary and he talks about getting surgery to become a neuter or whatever. It isn't MtF troonyshit but it might be close enough to turn you off. However, Twitter trannies got upset about this line so the localizers actually changed the dialogue but I don't remember what they changed it to.
Fata Morgana has at least a bit of translator bullshit too, "tsundere" got translated as "male fragile ego".
I forgot to post pic related
Haven't played Gnosia. Fata Morgana is an interesting case because as far as I know one of the MC's had this backstory.
MC's mother desperately wanted a daughter, either their third son was born without genitalia or whoops there was an accident during circumcision, time to cut everything off. They were raised as a girl but continually tried to reject that, the sham lasted until he hit puberty in which case the mother couldn't hide what was happening anymore and basically went "The devil has corrupted my daughter, she needs to be burned at the stake" and after some knights went off to do that she committed suicide or died of hysteria
That's all? It doesn't sound too bad actually.
Yeah, the exact situation is intentionally kept ambiguous. You can interpret it the way I put in the post, or that they were a girl that somehow transitioned to male through magic/willpower/miracles.
The reason I go with the one in my post is that there are a few similarities between Umineko and Fata Morgana, and having the MC have the almost the exact same backstory as Leon probably wasn't a coincidence.
Literally the John Money experiment.
and you get to see it unfold from the eyes of david reimer in all its horrifying, heartwrenching glory
Cant imagine being a fan of the series for years and waiting for the wrap and getting this shit
This. Uchikoshi is literally Japanese David Cage.
Also OP got filtered by V3 but talking about that game's themes and ending on Ganker is fricking impossible.
>Also OP got filtered by V3 but talking about that game's themes and ending on Ganker is fricking impossible.
HOW? HOW are so many people filtered by V3? It's not deep, it's very obvious but they just can't understand what's being said.
I don't even argue with them anymore.
Dude, people still don't understand Evangelion and MGS2. You think they're gonna get V3?
People turned their brains off the moment Tsumugi says the word "Danganronpa"
>MGS2
Nowhere does MGS2 says "Oh yeah everything is fiction and we're in a video game" or Snake saying "Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty".
It's meta done right while not being fricking obxinous like V3.
>Daniel Grandpa V3 is deeper and more sophisticated than Evangelion and MGS2
When I first read DR1, I never imagined how absolutely deranged and obnoxious the fanbase would become. The more I'm exposed to V3tards, the more turned off I am by the entire series.
>Eva
>MGS2
>deep
>sophisticated
read a book for once in your life
Midwit
I do get V3, I just dont need to like it
If you understand, i don't mind that.
That's perfectly fine, because in my experience, there are a lot of people who like V3 who ALSO didn't get what the ending was trying to say. They're the same people that think Anno hates fanservice.
My memories of the threads on release are too fond for me to truly hate the game, the shitposting was too much fun.
I was going to play ztd but from this thread I take it that I shouldn't bother.
You should but only cause it's really funny
I guess I can give it a shot. But the second I see any more of this
elevator bullshit, I am dropping it.
The game is rather short and doesnt have any of those transitions and has no repeated content so you are good
I think playing it is still worth it. Just dont except much. I was warned before as well but I guess it wasnt enough
You should play ZTD for the memes, and so you know to never ever trust Uchikoshi again. If you go into it with the expectation that it's shit then you might be able to enjoy it somewhat
Weak! How else will you be able to experience Uchikoshi's amazing writing?!
Hard to say, anon. I just watched the youtube playthrough (allowing me to skip etc) and the memes were good shit.
Go play AI Somnium files, Raging Loop or 428 Shibuya Shuffle
Raging Loop might be fun, but the plot definitely gets dumb
Last part it goes downhill, yes. But it was all heights going up up up till then. Also, I love my badger wife. You even get an ending with her if you choose to.
Yeah fair enough, and even after it goes downhill there's still some enjoyable moments here and there.
>I love my badger wife
Godly taste, too bad she has zero fanart
>zero fanart
Frick, I checked my 4 usual sites. Only pixiv has stuff
Yup, and she doesn't even get a page of art. Admittedly a better fate than other characters I've seen, but she still deserves better
Remember when happy death march Club (?) was meant to be the next zero escape? Wtf happened there, was it even released?
Kek, the first thing taht google gave me was 'whatever happened to it"
The murder mystery thing was a publicity bait and switch, like MGS2. The game was a fricking platformer. Also it got renamed to World's End Club.
This shit is so fricking obscure it's fricking hard to find spoilers / a resume of the plot
I remember being hyped as frick by the weird killing game at the begining but it's just a bait lmao
I was 100% sure there was going to be a reason why the characters in ZTD were just batshit crazy sometimes. Cant believe the game just lets it slide
The first two games are still good. ZTD was just a prolonged embarrassment. When those final credits rolled I was waiting for the epilogue or new story branch to pop up but it never came. I refuse to play AI or anything else he's made because of this.
Pretty much the same experience with the ending. I thought it was just a bug that I couldnt skip them...
999 > ztd > vlr
If you want to play a good mystery trilogy that actually ends on a high note unlike Zero Escape or Danganronpa, then play Ace Attorney Trilogy. Most mystery stories peak in their second-to-last act, but the final case of AA3 is somehow the best in the trilogy.
I hold the stance that there's never been a truly bad Ace Attorney game, but as good as T&T is, GAA2 topped it for me.
There are some that REALLY have a bad chapter or two, but overall, I've always been hyped.
Also, AAbros, no need to bring this shit in, just talk normally, don't compare games.
I think comparing AA and DR's gameplay is interesting, but comparing their plots and themes isn't because they're both very different games trying to accomplish very different things.
DR is blatantly inspired by AA in terms of gameplay, though, so it invites comparisons. I think AA is better but if there's one thing I wish that series would rip off from DR it's Closing Arguments.
I will have to wait and see until my second playthrough of TGAAC, but I might agree. The 2 downsides is that TGAAC has such awful pacing, and the budget cuts can be felt really well in the second game. TGAA2 could benefit from less boring exposition and explanation of things that happened of screen and be more like Bridge to the Turnabout where the protagonist is much more involved with every facet of the mystery. I can't explain more because of spoilers, but in TGAA2-4 and TGAA2-5 so many mysteries and backstories are just explained to you rather than solved by the player.
The cuts made it better, you know they would have stretched the masked man plot. It's actually refreshing everyone calls it out and it's resolved during a single case.
Nah man. Spoilers
> They had to reuse almost the entire jury from TGAA1-4 in TGAA2-2, and they completely axed the jury in TGAA2-4 and TGAA2-5. It would have been so cool if actual members of the judiciary were on the jury
> The entire Red Headed League aspect of the case gets very little attention. They clearly did not have the budget to have the player go to the park themselves and investigate it, so instead we have to hear what Sholmes and Gregson investigated.
> After the Great Exhibition and Crystal Tower got hyped up for almost 2 games, we end up visiting only 1 location and do not even get to investigate the Crystal Tower itself. The entire Russian Revolutionary terrorist plotline got completey dropped as well. The Exhibition was such a cool idea, with the potential of so many mysteries considering all the cultures and inventions on display, but no we get to see none of that.
> So much of Van Ziek's and Baskerville's family bakstory is just told to you. Like that one time he and Genshin got attacked. Or that forged autopsy with the ring in the stomach. Or the duel with Klint and Genshin. Or the Lady Baskerville death. Or all those visits people made to Barclay prison when Genshin was locked up. Or when Van Zieks got attacked when he was with the Apprentice. All these things happen outside Ryunosuke's reach.
> How about the entire plotpoint of Kazuma and Gregson going to France, or some sort of gentleman's club. The player never gets to see and investigate any of this, even though it is really important. We are just told the details.
> Van Zieks just tells you in prison who A. Shin / Jezaille Brett is. The player does nothing to figure that out. He later just says exactly who Klint is. I also recall moments where Sholmes just gives massive twists like they are nothing, like how Kazuma is still alive or who Mikotoba and John Wilson really where. Again, nothing that the player gets to do themselves.
There is so much more I can mention. In the climax of TGAAC you just hear other people tell you things they did or backstories of what happened in their life. The player is just bombarded with exposition, instead of getting to investigate some of these important moments and places themselves. Meanwhile in the climax of AA3, the player is right there in the drama of the case, with Phoenix and Miles making drastic sacrifices to reveal the truth. They have personal stakes to save the people important to them. Like Phoenix and the "bridge moment". Ryunosuke just stands in court all day finding lies, that's it. AA3 revolves around Phoenix and the characters. TGAAC does not revolve around Ryunosuke in the same way, even though the game desperately tries to tell you it is all about his "Resolve". The worst moment is when Ryunosuke's epic Resolve theme plays, his moment to shine, but then Sholmes just teleports into the courtroom Deus Ex Machina style and solves the case for you.
I did actually finish the first game. Never finished the second game cause I thought the lock system got really annoying and the story was still not going anywhere. The trials are always great though.
It is in my bucket list to finish the series
I add that I think I was at the very last case, maybe at the first trial
Ace Attorney 3 is so good, it is worth going through the entire series for it.
>first game has a pretty down to Earth setting
>psychics exist, but aside from the temporal bullshit in the ending, it's mostly just mild telepathy
>story is pretty good; enjoyed the characters for being deeper than initial impressions, but wish the game felt more dangerous on the whole
>second game goes all in on the sci-fi
>lots of repetitive cutscenes on each route; psychics now can absorb powers and jump across timelines
>characters are more one dimensional, like Clover just being a bimbo or Alice being a b***h; decent entry, but feels like it lost something from the first
>third game is basically just a terrible slasher film
>the game feels at its most dangerous at the cost of less sense; aliens are confirmed, psychics are even more OP, and new lore elements are added through new characters that barely add anything to the setting
>characters are all blander than ever and only exist for the purpose of shipping
What went wrong? I remember Uchikoshi started trying to promote VLR with some softcore Clover flash game. Did 999 do so badly in Japan that he had to start pandering?
>Did 999 do so badly in Japan
Yes. Numerous things in VLR were the result of him having to change things in order to make it more popular. The one I remember off the top of my head is how the watch execution method was a lethal injection instead of a bomb, because the violence spooked or was unappealing to the Japanese.
Weak.
I've avoided ZTD for years. I liked 999 and VLR.
Just pretend they're still on the moon with Volnutt. I know it's Mars or whatever, but still
too lazy to post more, I've already told my badgerbro where to find more.
The only good game was 999, with the sole exception of the immersion-shattering twist being a fricking sudoku puzzle . The twists were all downhill from there.
Too COMPLEX for you?
my motivations for going through with this are complex
alright frickers, did you fall for zero being akane the first time around
I don't think so, her disappearing didn't fit her being him
but i think I did consider it.
No, because I've seen Batman: Mask of the Phantasm before.
>start up ztd
>heads or tails? red or blue?
>pick blue
>ok you win. get out
>The end!
man I still remember the "wtf is this shit" feeling, and it lasted throughout the game. I was pretty furious with how they raped the setup from the past two games, but shitposting threads havr changed my poinion of it somewhat. Provided you dont take it seriously, its a great comedy with spectacular highlights such as
>Akane and the fire exinguisher
>Akane and the chainsaw
>PUUUUSSHHH IIIIITTT
>Pull the trigger!
>How could a dog do it?
>the heart surgery mira does
and yes, even the infamous
>Mom.
Yeah, given the fact that characters are all crazy when it is convenient (that rape scene was ridiculous, who writes this shit) it does work as a comedy. Especially since the game looks hideous
>rape scene
refresh my memory lmao. Are you referring to Diana's
>if you dont hate me, frick me!
tantrum?
i think he's talking about the carlos scene where he pretends to try and force himself onto akane and gets junpei mad in order to achieve... something.
That's probably correct, the pretend rape.
>Akane, Carlos and Junpei open the box
>Carlos goes silent for hour not saying anything
>suddenly starts asking Akane to have sex with him
>Junpei gets mad
>oh look, a neanderthal is trying to block my way
>pretending to rape Akane, while whispering in her ear to get the cards so they can stop the memory loss
>Carlos runs out with Junpei after him
>Carlos starts provoking more and Junpei starts beating him up
>this is all a plan to cause diversion so that Zero wont look at what Akane is doing
People went in expecting pay off for everything that VLR built up towards.
These people should've known better of course.
>y-you don't get it, i was only pretending to rape her!
Are you the guy who asked if you should play VLR and ZTD like a week ago and we told you not to play ZTD
Nah if I am playing a story game I literally dont open Ganker ever because I am really scared of spoilers
Smart man. I should leave too. I haven't beaten AI2 yet
pewter is gay
and a vegan
how can you eat veg if you're gay? that is contradictory
playing ztd, when am i getting to actually play the game
It will take a while. Do all the choices the game puts you through for now
so just go through all the fragments and pick every choice? got it
I love my wife Luna
I used to be disappointed in VLR because it wasn't exactly like 999 but I really enjoy it now, everything it introduces is great if you just erase your memory of ZTD and imagine a different ending.
Hey, question for VLR.
Why do you, Quark and Alice all describe/have fast forward fits if everyone's supposed to be in 1/6th speed already the entire time?
Pretty sure that is just game being dumb
I imagined that as the illness getting worse
>wait years for plotge trilogy finale
>get blatantly lied to
>many promised answers and plotlines dropped with no explanation
>characters bastardized
>new characters lolsorandumb
>final game in a trilogy marketed toward new players
>be told by aforementioned new players who have a double-digit IQ that the story and characters are great
>"uhhhhh if you complain then you have emotional issues!"
anyone who supports this game should be dragged out of their houses and beaten
Filtered by the complexity.
I am so glad i went in to the game already knowing it was shit but still spoiler free. The amount of unintentional comedy from the horrific animation and ridiculous writing made it an absolute blast to play. except the true ending, just left me feeling unsatisfied and angry
Same, ZTD is so bad it ruins the whole series.
Filtered again, it's just as good as the other 2, except for the weaker serial killer and fireman protagonist and the fanfic "they all get married" ending
>it's just as good as the other 2
shut the frick up ztd revisionists. holy shit i despise all of you so much
>it's just as good as the other two!
Does your ass get jealous of the shit that comes out of your mouth?
>Let me scream to shift somewhere else to thinks a bit
>Oh yeah, I should maybe just dodge!
You guys are right, if you don't have any expectations, it's great. Unfortunately I did.
God I love Carlos. Truly a great friend.
>Captcha KANGS
Yup he’s a king alright
Why is there a ZE thread every day?
The motives are.. difficult to explain in simple terms.
Because AI2 just released and it got people discussing Uchikoshi’s other stuff as well again.
I should probably go finish it.
ZTD was shit on purpose because fans wouldn't shut the frick up about no closure for VLR despite the fact that 999 and VLR sold like shit (prior to the PC release). It's a reminder that developers should never listen to their fans.
>shit on purpose
The word you're looking for is "scam"
>ZTD was shit on purpose because fans wouldn't shut the frick up about no closure for VLR
>YOU, PLAYER INCARNATE, DON'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WEEK BETWEEN???
>"yes"
>WELL FUUUUCK YOU FOR WANTING
Motivations too complex for me.
Since I never see it mentioned in these threads I'd like to shill Zanki Zero. It has similar vibes to zero escape, interesting characters with creepy stories and a good horror setting, just remember to set the game on "easy" for the final dungeon (or even before, your choice) if you don't want to get frustrated af. It's not a masterpiece but it was a nice experience.
Playing VLR was the most mindnumbing experience in videogame form
How many times do I have to see Quark attempt to stab himself with tiny variations before the game decides to progress
You can skip all the repeated scenes though
The "tiny variations" is key here
The skip previously viewed content option will constantly stop itself because the characters said something slightly differently or used different names
you mean... you have to press the skip button more than once? maybe even like five times? OHHHHHH NOOOOOO I'M GOING INSANEEEEEE
>i like eating shit so what?
You have to mash that shit way too often, VLR constantly feels like its working against the players enjoyment of the gimmick
The solution is to enable allskip so the transition animations are less aids but then you're going to accidentally miss dialogue all the time
This isn't really as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Just skip and then read the new lines (or just click through them) when it unpauses-- it's highly likely to just go back to lines you've already seen. VLR does waste your time sometimes but that isn't one of the cases.
>we have to get to the AB room NOW
>beep beep beep
>handle turning animation
>door opening animation
>beep beep beep
>door opening animation
>elevator animation
>beep beep beep
>finally we're in the AB room
>Dio what the hell were you thin-
>door opening animation
>K steps out
>guys come to the infirmary quick no time to explain!
In what tier does Uchikoshi belong?
meh tier
that list is flawed because those are villain archetypes, it doesnt speak to the quality of actually writing them
Yuuki Terumi, Shang Tsung, Dr Weil and Oersted are fantastic villains which should belong in the shit-meh tiers. Meanwhile Kronika, Repliforce, and Delta dhould be top tier, yet some of them are outright hated and anyone who's played the games will tell you they're exptremely moronic.
We fricking warned you to act like the third game never existed.
WE FRICKING WARNED YOU DOG WHY DIDNT YOU LISTEN
Life is simply I mind hacked you to reply to this post
won't work
M-my body?
Masaka!?
ZTD has very little story and development, too many forced murder bullshit.
VLR had a very oppressive atmosphere and you have no idea when or how you'll get fricked over, meanwhile in ZTD you already kill most of the players within 20 minutes.
So uh, if I love Dangitronpaul I will like the third game?
I told you to just play Ever17 bro.
Yes but who was can?
Why do we have a shit ton of Zero Escape apologists today?
Science Adventure/Steins;Gate do worse things, but people still clap in the end.
I don't understand why the hate against ZTD, it was a fine game, but we need Zero Escape 4 one day, using the same engine as AI.
>It was a fine game
It wasn't. It was a non sensical mess that held by disjointing the story so much you could have the reasonable expectation that it could be going somewhere.
And then it didn't.
what people expected?
a Free the Soul shonen fight?
a happy ending?
A fricking coherent story for one
A conclusion, personally. Ignoring the fact that the game is just poorly written, ZTD does not actually conclude the series at all.
And why do you think it couldn't have had a happy ending, exactly? Both of the previous games have bittersweet but ultimately hopeful endings. Don't be silly.
>but people still clap in the end.
go frick yourself. Onpy animeBlack folk clapped at the end of SG0 because WOW OKABE IS SAVING THE DAY WOW SO COOL EL PSY KONGRUUUUUU!!!!
anyone who read the vn will tell you its garbage that doesnt follow up on SG. And that's not bringing up the can of worms that is RN or Dash