Would you play a Metroid game where you would only play as Zero Suit Samus?
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Would you play a Metroid game where you would only play as Zero Suit Samus?
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Sure. Why not? Another game starring a blonde white girl.
You say that like a blonde white female protag is normal
It is.
No it isn't tripBlack person
You see more nigress protagonists in AAA games
Oh, that. I don't know. Might as well get used to said negresses because whites are going bye-bye.
have a nice day tripisraelite
I can't simply "kill myself". I'm too important as a generational poster, inaugural Ganker Hall of Fame inductee, and recipient of the Ganker Lifetime Achievement award.
kys
Go home lefty/pol/
i want that suit..
I want to smell the part where her pussy is lokated in that suit.
Imagine all that sweat that builds up
Only if Pikachu comes along like in Brawl
How about Samus dating sim?
>visual novel/base builder game where you play as Samus' new 'cabin boy'
>You help maintain her gear and ship, cook her meals, give her massages after long and stressful missions, etc.
>Also you can help decorate the ship's interior and upgrade it.
>final event has her go missing on her latest mission so you have to nut up and brave the treacherous planet to save her
>free her from whatever got her and double team the final boss
>marriage.
>Get married aboard the ship
>Something feels not right though...
>Planet explodes behind both of you as you kiss.
>Ah, there it is.
Fund it.
secret NTR end where you free one of her captured villains and let him have her
What I wouldn't give to be that space pirate
I want that game to have a sub plot how she has a new skin tight Zero Suit and she gets all embarrassed about how little it leaves to imagination
Instant preorder
only if it was a short game. her moveset is limited in that form and it just isnt as fun as being able to bomb around in the chozo suit.
>Zero Suit Samus
>still wears a suit
what did nintendo mean by this?
>Birthday Suit Samus
I want this, even if the excuse was just nanomachines or whatever.
there has never been a good thread with zss in the OP
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If by "zero suit" you mean "no suit at all," then yes.
No, I actually like Metroid games.
No. Without the suit, she's just an incredibly fit woman. She's not as fast, not as strong, and not as durable. Maybe if you just made it MGS but in space, but at that point, just make a new IP to milk.
Isn't she a half bird superhuman space mutant metroid hybrid?
Yeah, she's stronger than the average human, and her metroid DNA gives her resistance against the x-parasite, but she isn't an armored killing machine with a cannon mounted to her arm.
Also she'd need a sweater because metroids are weak to the cold.
>samus asks you to cuddle with her because she is cold
She is half bird, half human, half metroid
What if they modified the zero suit with nanomachines to make it stronger than power suit while increasing Samus' mobility?
Let's face it, the Power Suit isn't sexy and makes Samus look like Master Chief. Only problem is that when you play Metroid you feel you're playing as a man but you're actually playing as a chick in a suit that makes her look like a man. It's gross.
Zero suit retains Samus' sexiness and could be modified to have the same functions the Power Suit has.
>the Power Suit isn't sexy
Well, that just isn't true.
Maybe if you're gay
But to normal heterosexual men who play the series it's not sexy
It would also open up the series to a female audience who prefer to play as a pretty female rather than some generic space marine wearing suit. Regardless of the feminist SJW agenda plenty of girls played the original Tomb Raider games back in the day.
No one but weirdos plays Metroid to begin with. You can appeal to robot waifu gays at least if you coomer up the power suit, people love armored chicks with asses and breasts the female spartans from halo are proof of that. No ones going to buy these games regardless of her appearance the shit sales of bayonetta 2 and 3 are proof of that
>No one but weirdos plays Metroid to begin with
Says the weirdo with Dark Samus porn on his computer.
Only to prove a point, unless your hollowknight metroidvanias are almost as niche as cuhrayzee shit and mega man
Only if there's no nice to meet your mole.
Should I replay dread or am2r
AM2R is actually good all the way through.
I think that about dread too
I love and adore both
You have weird tastes then.
imagine how smelly the zero suit must be after a mission
What about Metroid game where you play as Ridley?
oh yeah
Increase breasts
Decrease waist so she looks less like a fridge
Based.
Also forgot
>Fix the manface and make it a womanface
And make it so that she's running around and fighting naked with the excuse of nanomachines or whatever, but make the gameplay actually good so that it's a good game with eye candy attached.
Nah naked is too far, though I wouldn't be opposed to an unlockable bikini suit if you clear the game under a certain time.
BTW it's kinda sad that Nintendo EAD never made a 3D Metroid game.
Always doing Mario and Zelda games but always outsourcing 3D Metroid to Retro or Team Ninja.
I would love to see their take at a 3rd Person 3D Metroid game.
>naked is too far
non-coomer game?
stealth oriented game with on-site gadget and suit procuring, where leaning towards gadgets is the glass cannon build and suit is the loud approach
I'd really be interested in either one as the first would allow for situational tactics like plant bombs in key places and get a massive boom from afar as a reward; the second is a wide array of weapons to make targets into gibs
a coomer game would be Samus getting cuddled, sexed, vored etc as often as you'd like and get one of the aforementioned items as a reward
>that fricking spoiler
but yeah I appreciate clever asset reusing and replayability, tho I feel like stealth mode would be a challenge after you learn where stuff is
Metroid would have been a way more successful franchise if it ditched the Power Suit.
More people would play the games if Zero Suit was front and center.
Metroid, but even the first suit is a power-up seems like a cool idea, at least for a fangame.
Or an h-game, where the pure route ending is like getting the suit back in Zero Mission. Curbstomp all the shithole-remodelers while running back through the map.
No, let me play a metroid sex game with samus in her varia suit and she pops a hatch on the crotch for a quick de-stressing frick, so it looks like I'm fricking a robot with a blonde, sweaty, hairy pussy. Make it in a cold environment like phendrana drifts so there's steam coming off
>new Metroid game
>usual metroid shenanigans to start
>something causes Samus to lose all powerups, including the suit
>over the course of the game you have to collect the pieces of the suit
>can start with getting arm cannon or jet boots or helmet for scanning
>can do so in any order you please
>can swap out pieces of armor for different pieces
>one pair of boots give momentary glide, one give super high jump, etc.
>instead of the game being deliberately separated requiring one single part (ex. need super missles to open super missle doors) can traverse majority of core game using any combo of armor pieces
would Ganker play?
I would play a game where I only have sex with ZSS
Only if i can self insert as her of course!
Already exists.
>justin bailey playthrough
not much of a playthrough considering both minibosses are already dead and all you have to do is head for tourian
You could replay though the entire game in the zero suit if you beat the game in under 45 minutes.
Yeah, but that video says it's a Justin Bailey playthrough in it's title.
>Samus is less known than Lara Croft.
That's an easy one: Lara Croft has breasts and a tongue-in-cheek personality.
>Yes but WHY?
Too serious, too dour, too easy to get lost. Hollow Knight also came out at the height of Souls popularity so it was helped along by that. There's also the fact that HK was a PC/multi-platform release, where as 2017's Metroid: Samus Returns was a 3DS exclusive. Fusion and Zero Mission are tethered to the GBA, etc. Collection of shit business decisions.
I'm not into Nintendo shit but should I try Metroid games? I love blondes!
99.9% of the time you will be looking at this
Eh that's fine, I love cool suits too! Hell the fact that this blonde chick is inside said suit kicking ass somehow makes it better.
Give one a try, then. Worst that could happen is you end up not liking the gameplay.
Which game should I play? I want to try the best one.
For the 2D games, Super Metroid is generally hailed as the best of the best. Zero Mission and Dread trail behind it but not by much.
For the Prime games, the first Prime is your best bet for starting out, but Prime 2 is generally considered a better overall game.
Thanks man, I'll check them out and see if I can actually appreciate some Nintendo games for once. Never grew playing them.
>but Prime 2 is generally considered a better overall game.
First time I've ever heard this take
wtf is this real?
Just tried it, it's real. Switching to missles makes her blonde lmao
Yeah, that's because the password doesn't have Varia suit.
How to make the perfect Metroid game.
>remove all disgusting sex fanservice
>remove all story
>retcon Samus into a robot, or something that is not allowed to show any kind of feelings or emotions
>more difficulty
>more challenge
>more parkour
>more combat
>a huge sprawling overworld that requires mastery of the game's skills to traverse
>tons of secrets and items and weapons to find
>NO SPECTACLE FIGHTS. A fight is not allowed to exist just to "look cool". If it's not making Ninja Gaiden looklike Kirby, then it's not trying hard enough
There, Metroid has been saved.
Basically make it into zoomerslop
Nah, zoomerslop is something like God of War or Uncharted, where the game really, REALLY wants you to sympathize with the main character and talk about their feelings and tragic backstory like a visual novel. Metroid needs to veer back into Bing Bing Wahoo territory, where the story doesn't matter and frankly shouldn't matter.
How are you today, ACgay? Doing well?
Playing through some metroidvanias as of late. Like Environmental Station Alpha. It feels so relieving when a game isn't trying to desperately beat you over the beat with feeling "sympathetic" for a character. It's just pixels on a screen, they're not allowed to have feelings or emotions., This isn't a visual novel.
I really hope Metroid takes notes.
>remove all disgusting sex fanservice
Resetera/Neogay pls go
What did it add to the series that made it better?
It makes you seethe, so that's an instant plus.
>let's destroy metroid forever, just to make some guy on the internet seethe
Samus was always sexy
The reward for beating Metroid 1 fast was letting you see her in a bikini
Cope and seethe troony
I guess Metroid was destroyed from day one then.
Funny how a destroyed franchise keeps getting new games, even if they're few and far between.
This is what I'm talking about. Can you say that you love the series, when you only care about the fanservice? Look at this thread. Where's the gameplay discussion. Where's the talk about movement and mechanics and powerups? Why is every post just jerking off to Zero Suit and talking about remodeling her shithole? Does that contribute anything positive to the series?
>the first game had it!
And the first game had a ton of problems. We should be fixing these problems, not emulating them.
How are they mutually exclusive?
If you're talking about gameplay, then you're too busy to talk about remodeling shitholes or waifus. Trying to dabble in both just weakens both discussions and leaves you with nothing.
>No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. - Mathew 6:24
Lmao if you wanna talk about mechanics then why arent you talking about them?
Every post, huh?
So did you like, miss the posts where the one anon asks if he should get into metroid, and which ones he should start with, and some other anons answer his questions?
So that's not every post, as you say, and that's just one group of posts out of many in this thread that aren't just jerking off to Zero Suit, despite the OP.
I saw those, and I also saw the ZSS posters trying to drown them out with porn. Wasn't very nice.
Here's something to ponder: the hookshot should be used more often in combat scenarios, like how you could rip armor off in Prime 3, and the space jump needs to be nerfed so you can't just infinitely trivialize terrain. The idea of the endgame of metroid being a no-difficulty victory lap is outdated.
not a single zss post was made during that entire conversation. you are letting it live rent free in your head.
Anon, remind me what the OP of the thread is about.
Nobody cares about troony preaching
Go back
Everyone likes sexy women in games
What did it do to the series that made it worse?
It introduced secondaries and helped lead to Metroid: Other M. The focus stopped being on fun and exploration, and veered way too far into "we need to make Samus deep and relatable". And the result is billions of ZSS porn dump threads.
>It introduced secondaries
By doing what it always did?
>and helped lead to Metroid: Other M.
Pure conjecture.
>The focus stopped being on fun and exploration, and veered way too far into "we need to make Samus deep and relatable".
That was likely from Sakamoto's autistic obsession with the west.
>And the result is billions of ZSS porn dump threads.
That happened well before Other M came out.
Also showing Samus off at the end of Metroid 1 has nothing to do with its design issues.
That's like blaming a dry cake for being bad because of the frosting on the cake instead of the inexperienced baker serving you some dry ass cake. They're entirely separate.
>That's like blaming a dry cake for being bad because of the frosting on the cake instead of the inexperienced baker serving you some dry ass cake. They're entirely separate.
Overly processed sugary garbage is bad regardless. I can easily blame the baker for needing to use it like a crutch to hide his bad cake, and hate the frosting itself for being a useless gimmick.
>Overly processed sugary garbage is bad regardless.
Lumping all frosting in with stuff you buy at the grocery store shows how ignorant you are here as well.
>I can easily blame the baker for needing to use it like a crutch to hide his bad cake, and hate the frosting itself for being a useless gimmick.
Frosting is a part of many cakes out there, even if the cake itself isn't dry they're usually pretty one note and boring. If not frosting then they'd add more moisture or flare in other forms to enhance the eating experience, like soaking it in juice, or garnishing with a topping of something like chopped fruit, nuts, a glaze of some sort, etc.
If it's not entirely a cover shooter I think it would be more interesting, maybe focus more of the gameplay on distractions. At that point though you basically just have Hitman except with an FMC instead.
If you add in her acrobatics somehow though it would be fresh.
>Lumping all frosting in with stuff you buy at the grocery store shows how ignorant you are here as well.
If the frosting wants to be acknowledged as something more than mere cheap garbage you buy at walmart, then perhaps bakers should actually put more effort into it. I'm gonna call it all out as bad and cheap, if that's the only kind they use. Nobody is putting effort into the frosting, when it's clear that the cake is dry and tasteless, and the chef can't be bothered to put effort into anything else. Are you implying that the chef will half-ass his cake, but then pour love into the sugary topping? That doesn't make sense, and it still makes for a half-assed cake. Either go the whole nine yards, or don't even bother.
That's like Metroid. I didn't play through this game just to eat a glob of tasteless sugar. I expect a lovingly baked metroid experience, and only then are you allowed to even contemplate putting frosting on. AND you can't cheap on it. So no ZSS fanservice. That objectively does not improve the game. It is it not actively improving the base game.
>It is it not actively improving the base game.
except it does bc it makes my pp feel nice
>If the frosting wants to be acknowledged as something more than mere cheap garbage you buy at walmart, then perhaps bakers should actually put more effort into it.
They do, again, you're just showing how ignorant you are here.
>That's like Metroid. I didn't play through this game just to eat a glob of tasteless sugar. I expect a lovingly baked metroid experience, and only then are you allowed to even contemplate putting frosting on.
You don't get something lovingly made without flare though.
>AND you can't cheap on it. So no ZSS fanservice.
Irrelevant.
>That objectively does not improve the game.
You can't say your opinion is objective.
Objectively it has no impact on the quality of the game whatsoever, especially in such paltry amounts, and especially when it's not even during actual gameplay sections (entirely game over screens/credits).
>they do
I've seen the bakers at Nintendo and their idea of "quality frosting". Nothing but bland, 1 dimensional waifus who exist just to be ogled, which is BORING. I don't want some dumb NPC who's wasting space, actually improve the game you lazy hacks.
>You don't get something lovingly made without flare though
A game that doesn't know when to shut up, and constantly makes the waifu talk her mouth off is not my idea of "lovingly made".
>Objectively it has no impact on the quality of the game whatsoever
Incorrect. Look at the stealth sections in Zero Mission, which dragged the mission to a boring slog because they needed Samus to be """vulnerable"""". Basically Metroid: Other M, but on the GBA.
>I've seen the bakers at Nintendo and their idea of "quality frosting". Nothing but bland, 1 dimensional waifus who exist just to be ogled, which is BORING. I don't want some dumb NPC who's wasting space, actually improve the game you lazy hacks.
But making the characters deep and fleshed out goes against what you want though? Try and at least remain consistent instead of leaking out your real feelings here.
>A game that doesn't know when to shut up, and constantly makes the waifu talk her mouth off is not my idea of "lovingly made".
One game out of several that don't do that at all.
>Incorrect. Look at the stealth sections in Zero Mission, which dragged the mission to a boring slog because they needed Samus to be """vulnerable"""". Basically Metroid: Other M, but on the GBA.
Disingenuous, a warrior without their legendary sword is just a normal warrior in the end. It's a pretty common trope in other games where you temporarily lose your gear and then normal trash mobs own you because your stats are lowered.
This schizophrenic interpretation that they were trying to make some statement there is laughable at best.
>But making the characters deep and fleshed out goes against what you want though
That's hollywood gaslighting. Making a character "deep and fleshed out" is boring movieshit that distracts from the gameplay. A character is only worth their fun gameplay potential. How much they cry and talk about their feelings is not going to help me through a series of difficult parkour challenges. Samus curling up in a ball and feeling sad about her dead parents isn't gonna help me fight a giant alien robot monster.
>One game out of several that don't do that at all.
You think Other M is the only culprit? Look at Prime 3, look at Zero Mission, look at Fusion. All symptoms of a bigger issue.
>Disingenuous, a warrior without their legendary sword is just a normal warrior in the end.
If a warrior, without his sword, can't grab a rock and vicious pummel a giant 500 foot dragon to death, WITH HIS BARE HANDS, then I'd hardly call them a warrior.
>That's hollywood gaslighting. Making a character "deep and fleshed out" is boring movieshit that distracts from the gameplay. A character is only worth their fun gameplay potential. How much they cry and talk about their feelings is not going to help me through a series of difficult parkour challenges. Samus curling up in a ball and feeling sad about her dead parents isn't gonna help me fight a giant alien robot monster.
Only happened in Other M and none of the other games, and especially not the newest releases.
It's been over for 13+ years now dude, move on.
>You think Other M is the only culprit? Look at Prime 3, look at Zero Mission, look at Fusion. All symptoms of a bigger issue.
Dialogue which is entirely different than what Other M went for and much less of it too.
>If a warrior, without his sword, can't grab a rock and vicious pummel a giant 500 foot dragon to death, WITH HIS BARE HANDS, then I'd hardly call them a warrior.
That legendary sword allows them to fight such fantastical monsters though, otherwise they're a simple man.
What next, complaining that if you run out of ammo in a shooter and your character gets killed by the 10,000+ strong army surrounding them it's trying to make some statement about vulnerability or something? Come on now, son.
>Only happened in Other M and none of the other games,
Literally happened in Zero Mission, where her suit exploded because she was too scared and couldn't concentrate. Hence the stealth section.
>inb4 "but it was damaged in the crash"
That would've been a notable defense if the game didn't take the time to show her taking it off BEFORE the crash.
>Dialogue which is entirely different than what Other M went for and much less of it too.
Dialogue is trash, regardless of the intention. Samus is not a talking character. She's a video game character.
>What next, complaining that if you run out of ammo in a shooter and your character gets killed by the 10,000+ strong army surrounding them
All I'm saying is that: if Doom guy can mercilessly punch demons, Duke Nukem can kick aliens, and Gordon Freeman can crowbar giant alien fetuses to death, then a hero quite clearly doesn't need some legendary deus ex machina sword to fight a dragon.
Vulnerability and fleshly weakness are things that video game protags need to move past. Embrace the glory and eternity of steel. Until then, Samus will forever be a flawed and weak character, until she embraces her inner Doomguy.
So let me get this straight. According to you, Samus' suit exploded because she was too scared, before she crashed, before she even got ambushed by the Pirate fighters, which was a point where she shouldn't have even been scared at all but instead relieved that the mission was over.
Don't ask me to make sense of Sakamoto's storytelling. The man couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag. At this point it's something you come to expect.
>hmmm, the federation have tried, twice now, to breed metroids and use them as weapons of war
>I'm going to continue taking orders from them, instead of violently murdering every last one of them that took part in these experiments
Sakamoto's storytelling? But it's your storytelling that doesn't make any sense, Anon.
Then would you like to explain why Samus' suit magically disappears if she gets too scared? Or why she couldn't conjure it after her crash?
>Literally happened in Zero Mission, where her suit exploded because she was too scared and couldn't concentrate. Hence the stealth section.
Not what happened. Her ship crashed and she couldn't materialize the suit from all the thoughts running through her head since she needs to basically zone out to achieve it. This isn't some "weakness" on her part, she immediately goes into enemy territory to search for a ship.
>That would've been a notable defense if the game didn't take the time to show her taking it off BEFORE the crash.
This happens because she didn't expect to be ambushed after she thought she took out the big bad.
>Dialogue is trash, regardless of the intention.
Goalpost moving, disingenuous.
>Samus is not a talking character. She's a video game character.
Video game characters can talk.
>All I'm saying is that: if Doom guy can mercilessly punch demons, Duke Nukem can kick aliens, and Gordon Freeman can crowbar giant alien fetuses to death, then a hero quite clearly doesn't need some legendary deus ex machina sword to fight a dragon.
All different characters with different abilities and different enemies to fight. I could use this faulty "logic" of yours and say that "Doom Guy is actually just thinly veiled sentimental vulnerability trash because he can't beat up Superman".
Even funnier when one realizes that you're basically arguing that Samus should be able to do all of this with the suit off, against your earlier wishes of not wanting to see her.
>Her ship crashed and she couldn't materialize the suit from all the thoughts running through her head
So in other words, she was too scared to materialize her suit. How wonderful that her best line of defense just goes poof whenever it's convenient.
>This happens because she didn't expect to be ambushed after she thought she took out the big bad.
Maybe she shouldn't have been an idiot who let her guard down. Am I supposed to sympathize with her? Do your job better, lady.
>Video game characters can talk.
Not if they don't have anything interesting to say. Even spewing tutorial dialogue is better than vain attempts at trying to endear them to us emotionally.
>Even funnier when one realizes that you're basically arguing that Samus should be able to do all of this with the suit off, against your earlier wishes of not wanting to see her.
Ideally, what would be best is for Samus and her suit to just be one thing. She would be a non-sexualized robot that can just mercilessly slaughter everything in her path. No thoughts, no feelings, no emotions. She just enters a planet and shoots everything that moves.
Why people try to complicate this with hollywood marvel borderlands writing, I'll never know.
>So in other words, she was too scared to materialize her suit. How wonderful that her best line of defense just goes poof whenever it's convenient.
More like that's a conveniently dishonest interpretation.
She got stranded on a planet full of enemies that want to kill her and she has to find a way out, she needed to focus on that instead of sitting there to focus on materializing the suit again. It makes more sense to get on the move instead of sit there at your ship when enemies see where you crash landed and are fast approaching.
>Maybe she shouldn't have been an idiot who let her guard down. Am I supposed to sympathize with her? Do your job better, lady.
Characters are allowed to have flaws and make mistakes. Especially since this was earlier in her career as a bounty hunter.
>Not if they don't have anything interesting to say. Even spewing tutorial dialogue is better than vain attempts at trying to endear them to us emotionally.
Contradictory to what you said earlier and even in the very next line.
>Ideally, what would be best is for Samus and her suit to just be one thing. She would be a non-sexualized robot that can just mercilessly slaughter everything in her path. No thoughts, no feelings, no emotions. She just enters a planet and shoots everything that moves.
Ideally it's whatever the developers want to make, being sexualized or having thoughts, feelings or emotions doesn't prevent someone from going on a warpath, and this is especially true for Samus.
>Why people try to complicate this with hollywood marvel borderlands writing, I'll never know.
So now you're just slinging out buzzwords that don't even apply. Metroid isn't capeshit quip dialogue like marvel or borderlands, try again.
>She got stranded on a planet full of enemies that want to kill her and she has to find a way out, she needed to focus on that instead of sitting there to focus on materializing the suit again.
Her suit shouldn't have that flaw in the first place. It's like a gun that doesn't want to shoot unless you give it emotional support first.
>Characters are allowed to have flaws and make mistakes.
Not if it's dragging the game to a boring slog and making me suffer through it. You have to earn it first, and Samus did not earn it.
>Ideally it's whatever the developers want to make,
And I'm saying the developers are wrong.
>being sexualized or having thoughts, feelings or emotions doesn't prevent someone from going on a warpath, and this is especially true for Samus.
Unless it's every game in the series, where she conveniently jobs to whatever the threat of the month is, so we can have a "deep" emotional moment. Again I point to my examples from Other M and Fusion, where Samus just continues working for the Federation instead of gutting them all like fish and razing the entire federation.
>Metroid isn't capeshit quip dialogue like marvel or borderlands, try again.
Tell that to Other M
>Samus curled up in a ball because Ridley scared her
>guy comes in
>"BRO YOU AIN'T GOT NO STYLE, FR FR NO CAP"
10/10 writing, right?
>Her suit shouldn't have that flaw in the first place.
Again, it's fine to have flaws.
>It's like a gun that doesn't want to shoot unless you give it emotional support first.
Wrong, it's a gun that can't shoot unless you focus hard enough.
>Not if it's dragging the game to a boring slog and making me suffer through it.
Subjective, disregarded.
>You have to earn it first, and Samus did not earn it.
Samus going on a rampage and destroying all the Metroids on the planet before that wasn't "earning" it?
>And I'm saying the developers are wrong.
Your opinion isn't objective fact.
>Unless it's every game in the series, where she conveniently jobs to whatever the threat of the month is, so we can have a "deep" emotional moment.
Only happens in Other M, dishonest.
>Again I point to my examples from Other M and Fusion, where Samus just continues working for the Federation instead of gutting them all like fish and razing the entire federation.
Changing the entire premise of the series to make the character a psychopath is trash, go play GTA then.
>Tell that to Other M
Other M tried to be deep and was trying to be serious the entire time, capeshit doesn't do that and constantly cracks bad jokes and tries to hype up normalhomosexuals with references.
>Samus curled up in a ball because Ridley scared her
>guy comes in
>"BRO YOU AIN'T GOT NO STYLE, FR FR NO CAP"
>10/10 writing, right?
Another strawman and it's been 13+ years dude, get over it.
>it's fine to have disagrees
I disagree, and it's why I hate the fleshy human form.
>Wrong, it's a gun that can't shoot unless you focus hard enough.
Is that somehow supposed to be better? A gun should function regardless of the emotional state of the user.
>Samus going on a rampage and destroying all the Metroids on the planet before that wasn't "earning" it?
No, it wasn't. She couldn't go 5 seconds without thinking about muh dead chozo parents, or monologuing. All respect for her went out the window.
>Only happens in Other M, dishonest.
-jobs to random space pirates in ZM, because she's too scared to focus
-jobs to Ridley in Metroid 2 because he scared her too much (had to be saved by THE BABBY)
-jobs to Mother Brain in Metroid 3, needs to be rescued again by the babby
-jobs ONCE AGAIN to the omega metroid in Fusion, an enemy she's killed several times before, but now it's magically immune to all of her attacks
-she even jobs to a random Emmi, before Quiet Robe saves her.
>Changing the entire premise of the series to make the character a psychopath is trash,
I'm sorry if that sounds too fun for you. I guess you'd prefer Samus filing her taxes instead?
>Other M tried to be deep and was trying to be serious the entire time, capeshit doesn't do that and constantly cracks bad jokes and tries to hype up normalhomosexuals with references.
It's all the same hollywood shit. Trying too hard to tell a story, instead of just naturally letting it flow.
>Another strawman and it's been 13+ years dude, get over it.
I'll be happy to get over it, once Zero Suit is dead and buried.
>I disagree, and it's why I hate the fleshy human form.
YOU. ARE. A. HUMAN.
>once Zero Suit is dead and buried.
Stop being a homosexual.
>if you want metroid to be about fighting aliens and monsters, instead of just ogling the ZSS for 5 hours, then you're a homosexual
Samus was always meant to be attractive right from the original NES version. Your constant complaining about there being humans in games is moronic and makes you sound like a homosexual.
Samus could even be running around and fighting while naked with an excuse like nanomachines or whatever and it would still not detract from the gameplay. It would merely add eye candy. A good game with eye candy added would still be a good game, while a bad game with eye candy removed would still be a bad game.
Your argument has zero ground as long as Other M exists, because it shows what happens when you let secondaries and coomers have a say in the series. Because Other M had breasts and Samus being a perfect little waifu, everyone constantly makes excuses for it and cites it as being "an underrated classic". I'm sorry if I don't consider it a good game, but I won't praise something that quite clearly didn't have any thought put into it.
>secondaries and coomers
Again, Samus was always meant to be attractive, right from the days of the NES.
Yes, early games had flaws. Reasonably we should be fixing them.
>early games had flaws
Zero suit wasn't one of them
I disagree. It was distracting trash that made me actively want to play worse, so I wouldn't see it at the end.
Seeing the glory of an armored steel tank, and having it be sullied by weak flesh. Ugh, it's enough to make a man vomit.
>Seeing the glory of an armored steel tank, and having it be sullied by weak flesh. Ugh, it's enough to make a man vomit.
I stand by my statement.
Then you're just acting like a homosexual. For normal people, seeing Samus in a bikini at the end was a reward for playing well.
It is not a crime to want Metroid to focus on GAMEPLAY, over shallow fanservice.
>B-BUT MUH GAMEPLAY
Shut the frick up already
We know all about your tired SJW pulpul already for decades now
>Yes we should troonyfy games
Join the 41%
Black person, you are the secondary. You are a gamecube kiddie who came with the Prime series.
Just frick off to Resetera already you cancer.
I will be happy if Prime 4 gets canceled. Frick you SJW troons.
>I disagree, and it's why I hate the fleshy human form.
Okay but your opinion is meaningless here.
Media isn't ever going to cater to your restrictive one track mind.
>Is that somehow supposed to be better? A gun should function regardless of the emotional state of the user.
In a perfect world maybe, but neither this one or the ones in fiction are perfect.
>No, it wasn't. She couldn't go 5 seconds without thinking about muh dead chozo parents, or monologuing. All respect for her went out the window.
Shit that literally never happened, k.
>lie, not scared
>lie
>again, nothing to do with emotions or anything
>another lie, the Omega was more powerful than previous versions
>Emmi are stated to overpower her until she gets the power up in which she onetaps them
K, you done?
>I'm sorry if that sounds too fun for you.
It doesn't sound fun when it's changing established characters.
>I guess you'd prefer Samus filing her taxes instead?
Another baseless strawman.
>It's all the same hollywood shit.
It's not, but I knew moving goalposts and handwaving would be your next cope.
>I'll be happy to get over it, once Zero Suit is dead and buried.
homie we both know this isn't true and you're just here to shitpost and derail incessantly after people on here in the past dunked on you for your autism.
That's why you kept trashing on Other M until about a year or so ago until people pointed out that ZSS existed long before it even came out, so then you immediately b***hed out and started pulling stuff out of your ass
>"O-Oh yeah, I totally always hated ZM too h-haha..."
lying, posting fallacy after fallacy and spamming just like you always have.
Simply put you don't care about Metroid, you don't really even care about video games either, you just care about ruining Metroid (and other) threads because you feel like the users of this site slighted you in the past and you're doing it out of revenge.
>Media isn't ever going to cater to your restrictive one track mind.
That's why it's worth complaining about. Sitting in silence never fixes your problems.
>In a perfect world maybe, but neither this one or the ones in fiction are perfect.
I disagree. Fiction is where perfection should thrive, not being bound by real world limitations.
>Shit that literally never happened, k.
The FIRST minute of Zero Mission already proves you wrong. And the less I say about Fusion, the better.
>those examples don't count
lol okay there pal. So her just being unable to so much as touch the final boss in each and every game is just coincidence? That she can't hurt them at all until the plot says that she can. And conveniently it involves her feelings and the baby and muh dead parents.
>It doesn't sound fun when it's changing established characters.
Maybe the established character needs to be changed for the better.
>It's not,
Splitting hairs. If a video game character is talking, it's talking. It's not gameplay. What's the difference?
>homie we both know this isn't true and you're just here to shitpost
Telling the truth is not shitposting.
>Simply put you don't care about Metroid,
I can easily say that I care more about metroid than most users on this site. Bar none.
>That's why it's worth complaining about. Sitting in silence never fixes your problems.
Bitching about it nonstop on Ganker achieves even less. But go ahead, take these complaints to Nintendo directly or something, unlike here though you'll just be ignored outright for your stubborn spastic fits.
>I disagree. Fiction is where perfection should thrive, not being bound by real world limitations.
If we take this to its logical conclusion then the games should just play themselves. You don't get to conveniently decide when "perfection" should be applicable and then when it isn't when it's expedient for your anti-fanservice agenda, bud.
>The FIRST minute of Zero Mission already proves you wrong. And the less I say about Fusion, the better.
It doesn't and you already said more than enough and repeated 50 times despite being called out on your dishonesty.
You purposefully misrepresent things like Samus after crashing in ZM, she isn't "scared" either visibly or in her dialogue, and even after people point this out you ignore it and just keep repeating your lies over, and over, and over.
>okay pal
They don't count, disingenuous shit gets disregarded.
>So her just being unable to so much as touch the final boss in each and every game is just coincidence?
Only in 3 and 4, and only for half of the fight.
>more autistic babble headcanon that doesn't happen but is repeated ad nauseam
K
>Maybe the established character needs to be changed for the better.
Your subjective opinion isn't objective fact.
>splitting hairs
It isn't, you making wild assertions and then downplaying said assertions after being called out on them is omega b***h behavior.
>another fallacy
Since Samus being out of the suit and being pretty largely doesn't affect gameplay as it's during credits or game over screens then what's the issue?
>Telling the truth is not shitposting.
Stubbornly asserting a lie is not "the truth".
>I do care
You don't, you care more about shitting up threads.
>Bitching about it nonstop on Ganker achieves even less.
On the contrary, I've directly influenced many of my favorite games to improve. You underestimate the power of protest.
>you don't get to conveniently decide when "perfection" should be applicable and then when it isn't when it's expedient for your anti-fanservice agenda, bud.
Everything should service the gameplay first and foremost. Seems like a reasonable standard.
>It doesn't
See pic. Looks like forced filler dialogue to me.
>They don't count,
Only because it proves you wrong. Your "perfect vision of Samus" is just an emotional trainwreck who needs to be rescued constantly. So much for her being "deep" and well written, amirite? lol
>Only in 3 and 4, and only for half of the fight.
At no point should Samus be magically powerless for any portion of the fight.
>It isn't,
I disagree. Video games are not novels. They shouldn't care about dialogue or exposition, at all.
>Since Samus being out of the suit and being pretty largely doesn't affect gameplay as it's during credits or game over screens then what's the issue?
Her being out of her suit objectively brings the gameplay down, since it's stapled to constant mountains of dialogue. The suit literally stops you so it can monologue. Seems like a good reason to get rid of it.
>You don't, you care more about shitting up threads.
I haven't even insulted you once. I'm just spittin facts.
>On the contrary
Nothing official, as it will always be.
>Everything should service the gameplay first and foremost. Seems like a reasonable standard.
Sorry but the gameplay is inherently flawed using your logic earlier. A program that can't execute from beginning to end on its own is trash.
>forced filler dialogue
Moving goalposts again.
>Only because it proves you wrong. [strawmans again]
Your hyperbole proves nothing I said wrong, you just think it does because you keep repeating it ad nauseam. Literal boy who cried wolf tier shit.
>At no point should Samus be magically powerless for any portion of the fight.
Another restrictive mindset proposed as objective fact, disregarded.
>I disagree. Video games are not novels. They shouldn't care about dialogue or exposition, at all.
And another restrictive mindset proposed as objective fact, disregarded again.
>Her being out of her suit objectively brings the gameplay down, since it's stapled to constant mountains of dialogue. The suit literally stops you so it can monologue. Seems like a good reason to get rid of it.
More exaggerative lying when 99% of the time it's during game over screens or the credits, try again in good faith next time.
>I haven't even insulted you once.
I never said you did?
>I'm just spittin facts.
Repeating hyperbole when any counterpoints are offered is not "spittin facts".
That's part of it, but Sakurai is also a headcanon moron who almost certainly never played an actual Metroid game before either and aligned with the secondary visuals of her that muscle fetishists kept pumping out.
Glad you admit it wasn't ever about the quality of the games and that it was always about seeking out revenge.
>Nothing official, as it will always be.
Who cares about what is "official"? AM2R isn't official, and yet it's a damn sight better than a good deal of Metroid games.
>A program that can't execute from beginning to end on its own is trash.
Fallacy. Discarded. You know what I mean when it comes to gameplay quality. Stop fabricating things.
>Your hyperbole proves nothing I said wrong,
The fact of the matter is that Samus should've never lost to any of these bosses, and should've been able to kill them singlehandedly. Her needing help is just hackneyed emotional tripe from Sakamoto.
>Another restrictive mindset proposed as objective fact, disregarded.
I disagree.
>And another restrictive mindset
Devs have proven that they can't be trusted with the concept of having story, let alone large amounts of it. Need I remind you of the playstation catalogue and the endless mountain of movie games that get shoveled in our faces every year? Sometimes you have to salt the earth and start over from scratch.
>More exaggerative lying when 99% of the time it's during game over screens or the credits, try again in good faith next time.
Blatantly ignoring Fusion, Zero Mission, Prime 3 and Other M, I see. Concession accepted.
>Glad you admit it wasn't ever about the quality of the games and that it was always about seeking out revenge.
It's more so that I feel relief seeing justice be done. Like how Prime Remastered didn't shove the disgusting Zero Suit into it. I'm glad they kept her "ugly" as the fans would cite her.
It's not shitposting to want less filler and spectacle, in a medium already desperately trying to be hollywood.
>who cares about what is official
Anyone that cares about the series.
>Fallacy. Discarded.
It isn't, I'm just taking your "logic" here to its most natural conclusion instead of stopping halfway like you since it's convenient for your agenda here.
>You know what I mean when it comes to gameplay quality.
I don't, because 99% of Samus's ZSS appearances aren't even during gameplay, it's during game overs or credits, so they don't affect it at all.
>Stop fabricating things.
Stop projecting unto me, you fabricate shit with hyperbole and just repeat it over and over.
>shouldn't need help
She didn't for everything except 3 and 4.
>Her needing help is just hackneyed emotional tripe from Sakamoto.
Unless Sakamoto himself said this then this is just yet another convenient wildly exaggerated interpretation on your end.
>I disagree.
That's cool and all but that's just the simple truth of it, so you disagreeing with it is meaningless.
>devs can't be trusted, look at sony
Two very different companies with very different philosophies behind their creations, disregarded. Stay on topic.
>Blatantly ignoring Fusion, Zero Mission, Prime 3 and Other M, I see.
I'm ignoring them because your recounts of them are all lies and exaggerations. Confession denied until you can start arguing in good faith.
>It's more so that I feel relief seeing justice be done.
That's a lot of fluff to say "yeah, it was about revenge".
>It's not shitposting to want less filler and spectacle, in a medium already desperately trying to be hollywood.
That's not what those posts of yours were about though, you were spamming hyperbole and ignoring any counterpoints to keep doing so.
Your motte and bailey shtick has long gotten old.
>Anyone that cares about the series.
Other M being official kinda throws a wrench into that.
>It isn't, I'm just taking your "logic" here to its most natural conclusion
My logic is to make the game as fun as possible, to achieve that through any sacrifice. A game playing itself is completely going against this concept.
>I don't, because 99% of Samus's ZSS appearances aren't even during gameplay,
Then there should be no problem getting rid of them? If they're such a minimal part of the game. that's time and money that could be saved and put into the rest of the game.
>She didn't for everything except 3 and 4
Her first outing left her a complete emotional trainwreck who couldn't even hurt a single zoomer, let alone a space pirate. She needed a magical powerup from a convenient chozo magic wall, instead of finishing the job herself.
>That's cool and all but that's just the simple truth of it
I disagree with that notion.
>Two very different companies with very different philosophies
You genuinely believe that? Other M was basically a snoy movie but on the Wii. These two companies are far closer than you realize.
>I'm ignoring them because your recounts of them are all lies and exaggerations
Lies, you say? Well, let's look over some FACTS.
>Samus cannot hurt a space pirate without her magic suit
>Samus cannot kill Ridley unless the baby helps
>Samus cannot defeat Mother Brain unless the baby helps
>Samus cannot kill an omega metroid without being bailed out by the Sa-X
all bouts of cutscene-induced weakness to make the games seem more "deep" and "emotional". It's fact that they exist, and I will gladly point you to them.
>That's a lot of fluff to say "yeah, it was about revenge".
A man can't enjoy seeing justice be doled out?
>you were spamming hyperbole and ignoring any counterpoints to keep doing so.
All my points boil down to simply wanting Metroid to be less about spectacle and coombait, and more about gameplay. Come on.
>Other M
Has been ignored by Nintendo for years now.
>My logic is to make the game as fun as possible, to achieve that through any sacrifice.
And your idea of "fun" is subjective and restrictive upon creation, so disregarded.
>A game playing itself is completely going against this concept.
Not if it's "perfect", but that's inconvenient for you.
>Then there should be no problem getting rid of them?
Why get rid of them if they don't impact the gameplay at all?
>If they're such a minimal part of the game. that's time and money that could be saved and put into the rest of the game.
The same could be said about putting any effort into visuals or any deeper gameplay mechanics, since in the end you can just hyperoptimize everything to just be a simple win/lose state. Congrats, now every game is a coin flip, amazing.
>Her first outing left her a complete emotional trainwreck
You repeating this won't make it true, try arguing in good faith for once instead of hyperbole.
>You genuinely believe that?
Yes, an exception here or there doesn't mean anything.
>true from what we've seen
>lie
>lie
>lie
None of which were some meta commentary about emotions or anything either, again, try arguing in good faith for once.
>A man can't enjoy seeing justice be doled out?
"Justice" isn't "HAHAHA TAKE THAT COOMERS I DIDN'T ENJOY THIS ONE GAME IN THE SERIES SO NOW I HOPE YOU NEVER ENJOY ANYTHING EITHER AND GET DEPRIVED OF FANSERVICE FOREVER AHAHAHAHA"
That's bitter shitposting, nothing more, nothing less.
>more motte and bailey shtick
You want Metroid to become a series you can feel justified in shitposting over, you mean, which is why you keep spamming troony tourist buzzwords on repeat, hyperbole on repeat, and being generally fallacious on repeat, 24/7/365.
>Has been ignored by Nintendo for years now
The prevalence of Zero Suit says otherwise.
>b-but it appeared before Other M
Zero Suit represents the death of the seriewss, so I will associate it with Other M, which is also the death of the series. Association.
>And your idea of "fun" is subjective and restrictive upon creation,
Restrictions make for a good game, when done well.
>Not if it's "perfect"
Perfect means a good challenge and good structured levels, and good game mechanics. Wtf are you on about?
>Why get rid of them if they don't impact the gameplay at all?
They force cutscenes and exposition on you. Trimming the fat seems like a good idea.
>The same could be said about putting any effort into visuals or any deeper gameplay mechanics,
Yes, I would get rid of deeper visuals or heckin epic graphics or anything else that's extraneous. Good games are still good, even if they looked like atari games with not even 8 bits of graphics.
>You repeating this won't make it true
Then why didn't she shut up and stop monologuing? Why couldn't she singlehandedly kill the space pirates, even without her suit?
>lie
>lie
>lie
Okay, then show me Samus killing Ridley in Metroid 2 without the baby's help. Show me Samus killing MB without the baby. Show me Samus killing the final omega metroid without the Sa-X interfering. Come on.
>NOW I HOPE YOU NEVER ENJOY ANYTHING EITHER AND GET DEPRIVED OF FANSERVICE FOREVER AHAHAHAHA"
If you want fanservice, go watch porn. This is just a course correction. Would you fault a man from turning the wheel and stopping his car from careening off a cliff?
>You want Metroid to become a series you can feel justified in shitposting over,
I wouldn't have spent thousands of hours enjoying this series if I was "shitposting". You think this is an act, but I am dead serious. I want Metroid to be salvaged from the trainwreck that happened in 2010, and the same drunkard is behind the wheel. Who wouldn't be cautious?
>The prevalence of Zero Suit says otherwise.
Started before Other M, disregarded.
>ZS represents series downfall
Except you were completely fine with ZM until people shat on you a couple years ago for not extending this ZS hatred to it, which you then backtracked to save face.
>Restrictions make for a good game, when done well.
And "you can't do anything else except A, B and C, EVER" is not "doing it well".
>perfect means whatever I want it to mean for the sake of my argument
Shocking.
Such a nebulous term is useless, and again, is not objective fact.
>They force cutscenes and exposition on you. Trimming the fat seems like a good idea.
Again, might as well "trim the fat" for everything else and make every game a coin toss then. You don't get to only apply this half-assedly like everything else since it's expedient for your agenda here.
>Yes, I would
I'm sure. Enjoy the medium as a whole dying after a couple years max when every idea has been tried with severely limited applications.
>goalpost moving to specific games now
She beat Ridley before without help, beat MB before without help and killed several Omegas before without help. You're conveniently ignoring the new conditions and the context they put her in just to keep spamming your hyperbole.
>"go watch porn" false equivalence
Another fallacy, disregarded.
>thousands of hours enjoying this series, not an act, dead serious
You spend almost every waking moment of the day shitposting dude and refreshing the catalog for any Metroid, Xenoblade or Zelda threads to shitpost in. You really don't play games.
A more fitting analogy would be that Metroid hit a pothole, but the driver has been driving a lot more safely now.
If Samus was butt ugly to begin with would you still be crying about it this vehemently?
>Started before Other M, disregarded.
It still represents the death of the series, by having people focus on it more than the actual game. So it's all the same.
>Except you were completely fine with ZM
Nah, I always felt extreme distaste with the dumb stealth segment, and by extension I hated Sakurai for popularizing ZSS with Smash Bros Brawl.
>And "you can't do anything else except A, B and C, EVER" is not "doing it well".
Some of us have standards and don't want games wallowing in filth. Sometimes it involves restrictions.
>perfect means whatever I want it to mean for the sake of my argument
So your idea of a perfect game is one that's just a movie that plays itself. Alright buddy.
>Again, might as well "trim the fat" for everything else and make every game a coin toss then.
I'd rather flip a coin for 10 hours than play Metroid: Other M. Lesser of the evils.
>I'm sure. Enjoy the medium as a whole dying after a couple years max when every idea has been tried with severely limited applications.
You mean the deaths of multi-trillion dollar corporations, and their bloated cinematic pigslop? Don't threaten me with a good time.
>She beat Ridley before without help,
So now why does she need help constantly? FFS she broke down and cried when she saw Ridley in Other M. How do you defend that?
>You're conveniently ignoring the new conditions and the context they put her in just to keep spamming your hyperbole.
What conditions? If anything she's objectively stronger than she was before. Her not having the ice beam means nothing because omega metroids weren't invulnerable monsters in the first place. If anything the ice beam was the one thing she didn't need against it. Not my fault Sakamoto can't be consistent.
>If Samus was butt ugly to begin with would you still be crying about it this vehemently?
I'd be angry about the cinematic cutscenes and story being forced down my throat, but at least there would be less coomers in the fandom.
>It still represents the death of the series
More hyperbole and headcanon.
>by having people focus on it more than the actual game. So it's all the same.
A few threads on Ganker where people post risque images doesn't even begin to outnumber the amount of people that play the games. This thread alone has been around for nearly half a day and isn't even close to archiving, on the (usually) most active board on the site.
>nah I always did
Yet you just forgot to mention it for 11/13 years. Yeah, not buying it.
>standards
Standards =/= restrictions.
>So your idea of a perfect game is one that's just a movie that plays itself.
If one argues on technicalities then an actual "video game" would be one that prioritizes interactive videos, but you don't want to hear that yet.
>I'd rather
No one is forcing you to play Other M again, calm down.
>you mean the deaths of multi-trillion dollar corporations
And the complete death of basically no other games ever being made ever again since new ideas won't be allowed under such severe restrictions.
The complete death of creativity is bad, dude.
>what conditions
The fact the enemies are all powered up compared to her previous encounters?
>the ice beam, sakamoto can't be consistent
So a consistency standpoint that has, again, nothing to do with her looks.
>I'd be angry about the cinematic cutscenes and story being forced down my throat, but at least there would be less coomers in the fandom.
So then it doesn't matter if she is good looking then since you're still angry about it, tacking on the bitter vengeance troony buzzword shit at the end as if it's even remotely relevant to the topic at hand.
>more hyperbole
10. yeah. hiatus. Miss me with your hyperbole claims.
>A few threads on Ganker where people post risque images doesn't even begin to outnumber the amount of people that play the games.
The amount of people on Ganker who have actually played metroid can be counted on one hand (with me being one of them). Everyone else cares only for the porn, one person even admitted it.
>Yet you just forgot to mention it for 11/13 years.
Sorry if you don't read threads. Afraid that's not my problem.
>Standards =/= restrictions.
Not wading in shit seems like a good standard, and that's a restriction.
>If one argues on technicalities then an actual "video game" would be one that prioritizes interactive videos,
A game that plays itself isn't interactive. lol
>And the complete death of basically no other games ever being made ever again since new ideas won't be allowed under such severe restrictions.
Oh well. We had a good ride. Industry was getting too bloated. I'm sure we could try it again in a few years.
>The fact the enemies are all powered up compared to her previous encounters?
They don't even move more than one screen. FFS Mother Brain in her Metroid 1 incarnation is harder, and the omega metroid? He's actually WEAKER than his initial incarnation, since the original omega metroids didn't have vulnerability to ice. Even in Samus Returns, it still doesn't act as their kryptonite. It just barely does more damage than a power beam. They actually made him worse than his initial appearances, and still made Samus job to him.
>So a consistency standpoint that has, again, nothing to do with her looks.
He needed her to be vulnerable so his self-insert robot OC can come in and save the day, and he wanted dumb cryptic symbolism with the SA-X saving her.
>So then it doesn't matter if she is good looking then since you're still angry about it,
Because the problems in metroid are more complex than simple centralized issues.
>Miss me with your hyperbole claims.
They won't miss until you stop doing it.
>a few shitheads on Ganker means everyone else wants to turn Metroid into porn!!!1!!!
Again, come back when you want to argue in good faith and stop spamming hyperbole.
>sorry if you don't read threads
homie I've argued with you for several years now, it's fine to take an L for once and admit your homosexualry.
>Not wading in shit seems like a good standard, and that's a restriction.
So the Metroid series is shit even though they're almost entirely gameplay focused save for 1% of the time the console is on displaying the credits or some dialogue which doesn't affect the gameplay at all.
K.
>sure we could try again
Nope, the heavy handed restrictions you would want imposed would prevent that from ever happening. It will only lead to stagnation.
>they don't move more than one screen
Irrelevant.
>harder
In terms of player inputs, not lore.
>made him worse
It's pretty in-line with SR, the protective membrane is damaged by ice beam or missiles. If anything the fact it's only the ice beam that can hurt it in Fusion shows it's stronger, it only has one weakness then.
>some inane babble about SA-X being Sakamoto's self insert
Jesus.
Again, nothing to do with her looks either.
>Because the problems in metroid are more complex than simple centralized issues.
They aren't, they're pretty clear cut. Everyone recognizes the cutscene spam and character assassination in Other M was bad, but that wasn't because of Samus's appearance. She still looked like that without cutscene spam and stayed resolute and driven in all her other games.
There was also a lot of praise for Dread adding back sequence breaking and making it less linear than it's prequel. Open design is good, not railroading is good.
These things are not influenced whatsoever by characters being pretty/ugly, sony movieshit is a prime example of that. Something like Forspoken is full of uggos and 100x worse than Other M.
why are you passionately debating some moronic irrelevant shit you sperg?
(You)
>They won't miss until you stop doing it.
Not hyperbole. Sorry.
>a few shitheads on Ganker means everyone else wants to turn Metroid into porn!!!1!!!
Yes, I will argue that until people stop getting so angry at me over something as simple as cutting out the fat and trimming the series of unnecessary elements.
>homie I've argued with you for several years now,
And yet you still don't understand my arguments. Years of railing against movie games, and you think my idea of a good game is one that plays itself? Bro.
>So the Metroid series is shit
It's moreso that the series is being dragged down by bad actors, and Other M shows what happens if you don't keep them on a tight leash.
>Nope, the heavy handed restrictions you would want imposed would prevent that from ever happening
that sounds like you're not trying hard enough. How many times have people lamented limitations, only to figure out creative ways around them?
>In terms of player inputs, not lore.
Is this a snoy movie? No? Then why should the lore even have any relevance?
>It's pretty in-line with SR, the protective membrane is damaged by ice beam or missiles. If anything the fact it's only the ice beam that can hurt it in Fusion shows it's stronger, it only has one weakness then.
What would normally be a 4 minute boss fight, is relegated to a 10 second glorified cutscene. He's alot stronger alright /sarcasm.
>They aren't, they're pretty clear cut. Everyone recognizes the cutscene spam and character assassination in Other M was bad,
Not really. People loved the cutscenes in Other M, so much so that they enjoyed having them come back in Dread, which is a big warning sign. but Sakamoto sprinkled QTEs ontop of them, so now they're epic wholesome chungus.
>not hyperbole
Yeah you're right, it's not just hyperbole, it was lying too.
>I won't stop with my motte and bailey posting.
We know.
>You don't understand my arguments
No, I do, they're just fallacious trash is all.
>Years of railing against movie games, and you think my idea of a good game is one that plays itself? Bro.
I was just taking your "logic" to its natural conclusion, which you avoided doing since it would have invalidated your stance in your own posts. Not sorry.
>It's moreso that the series is being dragged down by bad actors
Slow ass threads on Ganker don't influence the series at all.
>that sounds like you're not trying hard enough. How many times have people lamented limitations, only to figure out creative ways around them?
When they were forced to since no better hardware was available. Reducing everything to adhere to the coin flip isn't going spawn anything creative, only stagnation.
>Is this a snoy movie? No? Then why should the lore even have any relevance?
Because video games can have stories.
>What would normally be a 4 minute boss fight, is relegated to a 10 second glorified cutscene. He's alot stronger alright /sarcasm.
Comparing a game that came out 13 years later with several times more mechanics in it is dishonest. Boss fights in a lot of older games did not last long at all, but are often more difficult than their respective series' newest releases.
>not really [more headcanon moronation]
Dread didn't have anywhere close to the amount of cutscenes Other M had, dishonest.
>QTEs
Dishonest.
>how many years later
>people still argue with acgay
>Yeah you're right, it's not just hyperbole, it was lying too.
You're just angry because I correctly identified the problems with the series, and you don't want me to address them. you'd rather keep the status quo.
>muh motte and bailey
Calling me a troony because I think metroid shouldn't just be endless ZSS posting is not a good argument for you to die on.
>No, I do, they're just fallacious trash is all
Heaven forbid someone want to play a video game without being bombarded with porn or exposition.
>I was just taking your "logic" to its natural conclusion,
No, whatever train of thought you were following has clearly derailed, while mine has pulled into station.
>Slow ass threads on Ganker don't influence the series at all.
But millions of people wanting Metroid to turn into a VN is alot more of an issue.
>Reducing everything to adhere to the coin flip isn't going spawn anything creative,
Unironic skill issue.
>Comparing a game that came out 13 years later with several times more mechanics in it is dishonest.
Maybe Sakamoto should've made the games consistent. He IS the guy behind both games, isn't he? All the talk of Primes being their own self-contained canon, and yet he can't even maintain consistency with the primary games.
>Dread didn't have anywhere close to the amount of cutscenes
It still had more than it should've had, especially when they barge into the gameplay uninvited.
>angry because I correctly identified the problems with the series
Exaggerating and lying is not "correctly identifying" anything though. Examples are you acting like ZM is entirely Samus bawling her eyes out or something because there was one cutscene of her standing outside of her ship after it crashed looking in the distance for a few seconds.
>Calling me a troony because I think metroid shouldn't just be endless ZSS posting is not a good argument for you to die on.
I call you a troony for posting troony tourist buzzwords, which is accurate. And ZSS posting in Ganker has no effect on Metroid's development, you give this site too much credit.
>Heaven forbid someone want to play a video game without being bombarded with porn
Metroid doesn't have porn in it, enough of the false equivalencies associating any attractive woman being present with porn.
And Ganker posts aren't Metroid either, schizo.
>or exposition
Only Other M.
>clearly derailed
Nope, you derailed your own train of thought since it was inconvenient for you to continue with it.
>But millions of people wanting Metroid to turn into a VN is alot more of an issue.
The typical 12+ hour old Metroid thread struggling to hit bump limit with <100 posters is not "millions".
>Unironic skill issue.
Nope, just resources. You can only create so many shades of gray with white and black, with a broken paintbrush and a ripped canvas on top.
Maybe, but again, this has nothing to do with Samus's appearance, which you have been conveniently ignoring, since it's inconvenient for your agenda.
>It still had more than it should've had, especially when they barge into the gameplay uninvited.
For some like you, it was inoffensive to others.
And again, not the fault of Samus's appearance either. They don't even show her in ZSS in Dread either unless you die or clear the game at least two times on different difficulties, so it's even funnier you keep insisting it's a ZSS issue when that is effectively absent.
>Examples are you acting like ZM is entirely Samus bawling her eyes out
If she can't focus enough to get her magic suit back online, especially under duress, then she's not fit to be a protagonist. It's disgusting weakness of the flesh.
>I call you a troony for posting troony tourist buzzwords,
Oh please. You act like I hate ZSS because of muh sexism of something. If it makes you feel better, I don't believe that anything Nintendo has ever made was "sexist" with the exception of Other M. I don't buy into tumblr or resetera's idea of gender idaeologies. I just hate human weakness in general.
>Metroid doesn't have porn in it
It's still way too close for comfort. And again it has nothing to do with muh soggy knees. I just get taken out of the action when I'm fighting aliens and Samus has to spend 5 minutes doing a striptease like she's Bayonetta.
>Only Other M.
And Zero Mission, and Fusion, and Prime 3, and Dread. You know alot of the games have monologuing and exposition.
>Nope, you derailed your own train of thought
Double nope, I've never believed in a game playing itself.
>You can only create so many shades of gray with white and black
Again, skill issue. Early humans didn't even have paintbrushes or canvases, and yet look at the marvels they made.
>this has nothing to do with Samus's appearance
I hate to say it, but being too attractive leads people to try and over-analyze a character. Instead of being fun bing bing wahoo, now you need it to be deep and artsy. No thank you.
>For some like you, it was inoffensive to others.
These "others" are the ones who liked Other M, so it's not a surprise that they like it.
>And again, not the fault of Samus's appearance either.
Still trying way too hard to make her deep and sympathetic. Especially with all the """Adam""" briefings (wink wink nudge nudge) and how Raven Beak is her third dad or something.
Like I don't care. Just let me bing bing wahoo. Enough with the exposition.
>goalpost moving
It's not weakness either, she can't sit there at her ship while enemies were just on her tail. That's why she decides to sneak into their base and find a new ship.
>Oh please. You act like I hate ZSS because of muh sexism of something.
What? No, I call you a troony for using troony buzzwords like "coomer", not because I think you're sexist or something. I couldn't care less about that.
>I just hate human weakness in general.
Hilarious how you say this then engage in tribalistic buzzword slinging.
>way too close for comfort
It's not. A fully clothed woman isn't porn just because you can see the curvature of her anatomy. Imagine calling Ryu "pornographic" because you can see his muscles, utterly ridiculous.
>and these
Entirely just "go here, do this" and "wtf stop cloning Metroids", not close to Other M's attempts at characterization.
>double nope
It's true but I know you'll never admit it, which is why you abandoned that train of thought halfway.
>skill issue, early humans
Grand structures like pyramids are still hotly debated and theorized as having tools or techniques we don't know of.
Again though, we're talking about restrictions here. Black and white paint only with broken tools and a crumbling canvas isn't comparable to groups of thousands with basically no restrictions save for money + time.
>I hate to say it, but being too attractive leads people to try and over-analyze a character.
Conjecture purely said for convenience. People make several hour long analysis videos over Minecraft's lore and the characters are all androgynous rectangles.
>they liked Other M
Conjecture again, disregarded.
>trying too hard to make her deep
They really weren't going for that.
>"Hey, I was the one who pioneered bio-engineering you so I could have another pawn at my disposal."
and then he fights her because she doesn't agree to be his pawn. That's it.
No attempt at any deeper meaning there, he was just manipulative as villains typically are.
>It's not weakness either, she can't sit there at her ship while enemies were just on her tail.
Maybe she should've tried harder. for one, she should've been able to crack space pirate skulls even without her suit, but I guess that wouldn't have been cinematic enough for Sakamoto.
>What? No, I call you a troony for using troony buzzwords like "coomer"
What other word should I use for someone who derails a thread just so they can discuss their love of remodeling Samus' shithole? There's not much wiggle room there.
>Hilarious how you say this then engage in tribalistic buzzword slinging
Nah, just pointing out the facts.
>It's not. A fully clothed woman isn't porn just because you can see the curvature of her anatomy
I know their intentions well. When they have Samus do a strip tease constantly, have her suit be magic that disappears if she's scared, and is constantly submissive to her daddy Adam, it's borderline fetishistic.
>Entirely just "go here, do this" and "wtf stop cloning Metroids
See my above statement. She's just a passenger being told what to do and where to go, no agency whatsoever. When she starts gutting Federation officials over the whole "trying to take over the galaxy" thing, then we'll talk.
>It's true but I know you'll never admit it,
You tried to misinterpret my argument and I called you out. Simple as.
>Black and white paint only with broken tools and a crumbling canvas isn't comparable
Then get creative. Stop expecting others to do your dirty work.
>Conjecture purely said for convenience.
More like years of experience. All these years later, and nobody takes Minecraft's story seriously. There will never be a Minecraft: Other M.
>They really weren't going for that.
I disagree.
>"Hey, I was the one who pioneered bio-engineering you
And then she jobs to him twice. Once again she needs a magic powerup to get out of trouble. And then she needs help AGAIN with an asspull involving Quiet Robe X. Terrible agency.
Again, characters can have flaws.
Even if she could go hand to hand without the suit you would still complain, and if anything, would just make the argument for putting her in the suit to begin with pointless, so then why not just have her be ZSS all the time instead?
>what other word should I use
"Shitposter" has served fine forever, and will stay that way. For someone who complains about "unnecessary fluff" all the time you sure don't apply that to how you act, like how you keep reciting politically charged buzzwords out of spite.
>pointing out facts
Considering you think your hyperbole and lies are "facts" I'm a bit skeptical here too.
>striptease, daddy Adam, fetishistic
Never happened. See? Just more hyperbole.
>no agency
Except she literally does just disobey orders? She doesn't need to turn into a psyco killing machine either, she disrupts their plans by destroying their main product (cloned Metroids) and then they all presumably got clapped after her and Adam's logs/records in legal battles.
>you misinterpret my argument
Nope, I took it to the next step and you immediately ducked out since it contradicted everything you stood for, simple as.
>get creative
An ever shrinking canvas and a tool that is withering away don't allow for creativity.
>years of experience
No one took Other M seriously either, not even Nintendo, which is why they ignore it even exists these days.
>I disagree
Cool but that doesn't change the fact it wasn't what they were going for.
>And then she jobs to him twice
Has nothing to do with some hidden deeper message, he's just stronger than her is all.
>Needs a magic powerup
He wanted to force her Metroid DNA to activate, he got it and lost, that's it.
>And then she needs help AGAIN with an asspull involving Quiet Robe X. Terrible agency
Oh, so now being too powerful and easily overwhelming her foes is bad to you.
Try and remain consistent, please.
>Sakurai is also a headcanon moron who almost certainly never played an actual Metroid game
Oh but he's a huge Blaster Master fan!!
>Blaster Master Zero
Oh yes, the other search action series that's constantly plagued by obnoxious coomer fans and developers.
I hope you die
>Sakurai is also a headcanon moron
What the frick are you on about?
Sakurai did nothing out of the ordinary that Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission didn't do.
For Ultimate it's clear his hands were tied and he had to please higher-ups so he had to nerf her. And yes Samus specifically was nerfed and so the Game and Watch feather was removed because of Resetera b***hing. This is obvious because Bayonetta was left alone.
Smash 4 Samus was pure Sakurai and it was glorious unless you're a gay of course.
>For Ultimate it's clear his hands were tied and he had to please higher-ups so he had to nerf her. And yes Samus specifically was nerfed and so the Game and Watch feather was removed because of Resetera b***hing.
Except this "higher ups angry" all crumbles apart because Pyra and Mythra were released and their T&A sizes were left completely untouched. If it was about ratings then all of the girls added in the game would've gotten nerfed too.
It's also why he turned Samus into a roidmonkey as well. It was done entirely to appease normalhomosexuals that freak out over T&A and wanted Samus to be a roidmonkey since they think it's more "realistic" that way.
But yeah, Smash 4 Samus was fine and they should've just left her alone at that, compared to the DLC girls she is really tame.
>Except this "higher ups angry" all crumbles apart because Pyra and Mythra were released and their T&A sizes were left completely untouched.
Pyra and Mythra were censored in Smash
Samus doesn't look like a roidmonkey in Ultimate, she looks like previous Smash but TnA was drastically reduced
She looked like a roidmonkey on Dread though
>She looked like a roidmonkey on Dread though
???
Brainfart
Meant Samus Returns
The worst one is still Remastered Prime though
>Meant Samus Returns
Man you are really brain farting.
Her character design in the 2D artwork looks sasquatch-like
I'll grant you that she looks better in-game
She looks athletic, I think you have hentai brain rot.
Her frame is too huge compared to her previous Samus designs. It's fricking obvious they were trying to make her less feminine.
Overall they didn't go too far(like Prime Remastered) and she's still good looking enough but the intent is obvious.
Why do you make up fantasies in your head?
Black person, are you blind?
Samus Returns Samus clearly has a bigger frame relative to Smash games/Metroid Fusion/Zero Mission/Other M
NTA but you are referencing:
1. Concept Art
2. Concept Art featuring a design of the Zero Suit that wasn't even used
3. In-game model of Samus came out to be some of her most coom designs anyway
I think you're putting too much stock in that concept art
>Pyra and Mythra were censored in Smash
Their T&A were left alone in size though, and their outfits are even more risque than Samus even after being covered up. Cupping the curves perfectly in an impossible way. If Samus's T&A had to be shrunk while being in a less provocative, but similar outfit, then it follows that Pyra and Mythra should have had their bits shrunken too.
Why not though? Because Sakurai is actually a fan of that series. Metroid he is a secondary and just went with what normalhomosexual trannies kept crying about for her to look like instead.
>Samus doesn't look like a roidmonkey in Ultimate, she looks like previous Smash but TnA was drastically reduced
So "she doesn't look the same at all", neat.
She is a roidmonkey too, no breasts or ass and insane muscle definition is not typical on women without roiding out.
It makes more sense for her build to slim and lightly toned since she's more acrobatic. So cringe how normalhomosexuals and secondary deviantart fetishists think all athletic women characters MUST look like powerlifters.
>She looked like a roidmonkey on Dread though
For her in-game model yeah, they should have just updated SR's and used it instead.
Her in-game model definitely is. Shrunken breasts, and that same over the top muscle definition.
If she looked like that art or they just updated Return's model it would be fine.
>Why not though? Because Sakurai is actually a fan of that series. Metroid he is a secondary and just went with what normalhomosexual trannies kept crying about for her to look like instead.
And I'm gonna disagree with you.
I think it has to do with resetera kvetching and higher-ups telling him to nerf Samus.
Come on, Sakurai is a patrician coomer like us and he would never downgrade any of the chicks if he had his say
>So "she doesn't look the same at all", neat.
Honestly her face and hair and all that is top tier like all the other Smash games
They just ruined her body to appease resetera trannies
Hopefully they go back to Smash 4 or at least Brawl Samus in the next Smash game
Nah dude, it's Cero the Japanese game ratings board.
They have been getting super strict over the last couple of years.
It isn't CERO dude. CERO didn't censor Bayonetta.
CERO might have censored Pyra/Mythra.
Samus and Game n Watch? That censorship came from the west.
Probably some homosexual from Nintendo Treehouse had something to do with it. Just like when they censored Fatal Frame and Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Xenoblade X.
>Probably
So you don't actually know?
Good to know.
We all know the Samus and Game n Watch censorship came from the west
We know that resetera threw a hissy fit over Game n Watch
We know that they constantly kvetch over ZSS and any attractive woman in vidya
And we know that a lot of these freaks have connections in the video game industry and with video game ~~*journalists*~~
Resetera influence today is the equivalent of the feminists who threatened Capcom with legal lawsuits over Poison from Final Fight back in the 80s and then they made Poison a newhalf even though she was literally a woman
Bro's mind is still trapped in 2016.
Resetera still has influence today like it or not
Even Sarkeesian consults in many AAA games
>And I'm gonna disagree with you.
>I think it has to do with resetera kvetching and higher-ups telling him to nerf Samus.
>Come on, Sakurai is a patrician coomer like us and he would never downgrade any of the chicks if he had his say
Except he literally stated why they made Samus look the way she did in SSBU
>uhhh lol yeah athletic women = roidmonkey lmfaooo
His words, not mine.
>Her face and hair
Cool, still censored though.
>They just ruined her body to appease resetera trannies
So why is it bad when I say that Sakurai did this again?
>Hopefully they go back to Smash 4 or at least Brawl Samus in the next Smash game
Not happening. Fighting games are normalhomosexual troony central, they would not ever do anything to piss them off. Look at series like SF and GG, censorship upon censorship and troony pandering upon troony pandering and insane character assassination and revisionism to appease secondaries that never touched the series before.
Why would they leave P&M alone if they got Samus fricked over? If anything, CERO should have absolutely gutted P&M's looks in SSBU since they were in full outrage mode a few months before the Olympics in Japan that year, they always do that shit whenever some big international event is hosted in the country, ramping up censorship that is.
There was some clear favoritism on display, let's be honest.
>Except he literally stated why they made Samus look the way she did in SSBU
PR bullshit
>So why is it bad when I say that Sakurai did this again?
You can believe what you want.
But Sakurai is on record complaining about CERO multiple times.
He probably can't complain about NoA interference though because of that diplomacy bullshit.
Let's be real, Nintendo is literally affiliated with the whole ESG shit now.
>Fighting games are normalhomosexual troony central
Trannies are not normalgays
Fighting games are actually not that popular, only a bunch of homosexuals follow the FGC which is basically a Capcom promotional stunt
Smash is more a party game
You got that backwards. Samus is way more roided up in Ultimate than in Dread
>unlike here though you'll just be ignored outright for your stubborn spastic fits.
Unfortunately not.
Nintendo listens to these resetera trannies.
That's why Samus got nerfed hard in Ultimate.
Pretty sure some resetera trannies are actually NoA employees.
>fanservice was toned down
Another win for good taste.
Frick off Dobson, you freak
>Good taste
Why aren't we allowed to show non-ugly people in games? It's not like having nice breasts or a pretty face removes your ability to learn how to kill people
Consider it your penance for Metroid: Other M.
Frick penance. I don't give a shit about Other M, I've never played a single Metroid game. I've heard they're good, and some of some suck ass. Whatever, that happens. I came into this thread cuz I saw Samus in her zero suit, now I'm staying for the "ACgay" to get his ass blown out like the brain dead gorilla Black person he is
>I've never played a single Metroid game
>all I care about is Samus in her skimpy underwear
Yeah, she's cute. Her armor is badass, she's made of bird dna, and she can shoot fricking plasma lasers. Watching the room temperature IQ homosexual sperg out is way better though
>"I prefer talking about metroid's gameplay instead of dumping ZSS images"
>HAHA SPERG OUT!
Other M was probably the way Metroid/Samus was always envisioned.
Western neckbeards had a headcanon of her so they b***hed and whined when Other M didn't match their headcanon.
Nintendo relented and told some Hispanic developer to change her character for Samus Returns Remake and Dread.
>Western neckbeards had a headcanon of her so they b***hed and whined when Other M didn't match their headcanon.
But the same west neckbeards thought Other M was kino
>But the same west neckbeards thought Other M was kino
95% of neckbeards were seething back in 2010
I imagine an acrobatics system kinda like Max Payne's but without bullet time and more moves for navigating around the environment in combat and to find secrets.
I know this is in jest but I just want more Prime 2 and 3 Samus back; cool without saying anything at all and without the dumb poses Dread had her do. Collected body language, calculating, etc.
just post her showing her big ass and taking wiener
this is a blue board you dumb pajeet.
dont care saars
I love blonde women.
And they love you.
Then why aren't you mating with one?
I'm a bong. They don't exist here.
I don't understand this even as a joke. I have seen many pictures of blonde british women.
They are dyejobs, mostly.
Damn, should've fought for the good guys
There aren't many blonde krauts either. You need Nordic countries for true golden women.
full Power Suit Samus, but with detailed location-specific battle damage so parts break off, armor weakens, weapons and visors malfunction. replacement parts and repairs needed. could add a fun resource management element while also providing fetish fuel.
Resource management is boring.
Hard to believe you enjoy any Metroid game if this is your true stance. I, for one, hate exploration.
Resource management slows down the gameplay. Look at BOTW and TOTK.
>replacement parts
>for a technorganic suit that can repair itself
>technorganic suit
sounds like retcon shit from a later game, if true
Is this the Anthony Higgs thread or Mawkin breeding thread?
Yes.
As much as I like her, Samus identity reveal was a mistake for the games. Should've stayed as a faceless mute tank.
No.
Yeah, it led to an entire fanbase that adores Metroid: Other M, and despises Metroid Prime because "BRO WTF WHERE'S THE breasts?! "
It's hilarious how Prime-era gamecube kiddies like you think that you are the OG fans.
The OG fans jerked off to Samus leotard in Metroid NES, to the bikini in Metroid 2 and to the bikini in Super Metroid.
You Prime-homosexuals are Dobson-tier homosexuals who didn't even play the game and obsess over that garbage non-canon Nintendo Power artwork where Samus has the body and face of a man.
>Yeah, it led to an entire fanbase that adores Metroid: Other M
got proof that people love that game?
and no, threads of Zero Suit Samus fanart do not count
>what's 2+2?
>AND DON'T SAY 4
Stop replying to morons, you will not get honest discussion.
>Should've stayed as a faceless mute tank.
Then she'd just blend in with the countless other faceless shooter-dudes in vidya. The face reveal defined Samus for generations because it played with and defied expectations.
The badass super-soldier you were playing as was actually a woman.
The seemingly unstoppable killing machine actually has a heart
If Samus were the murder-drone you wanted her to be then she'd have never spared the baby metroid in II and we wouldn't have gotten the arc in Super
>If Samus were the murder-drone you wanted her to be then she'd have never spared the baby metroid in II and we wouldn't have gotten the arc in Super
So.... an objectively improvement to the entire series? I don't see the problem there.
>Stop short of a total genocide to spare one newborn's life after it imprints on you, despite the dangers
>That same newborn despite the genetic modifications made to it still recognizes Samus as its mother/savior and turns against Mother Brain in a critical moment, sacrificing itself and redeeming the entire Metroid species
this was one of the most kino elements of Super what the frick are you talking about 'improvement'?
> metroids all die
>Samus kills Mother Brain herself without jobbing because cutscene induced losses are stupid
>game is now instantly improved
>Again, characters can have flaws.
not if they're stupid flaws. A character being too scared to fight bad guys is not something I want to support.
>Even if she could go hand to hand without the suit you would still complain,
Just give me a fun game without dumb gimmicks like fanservice and story constantly shoved down my throat. Is that so hard?
>"Shitposter" has served fine forever,
Seems like a good fit, I guess. People who think ZSS is somehow vital to the series are shitposters. Has a ring to it.
>Considering you think your hyperbole and lies are "facts"
Sorry you feel that way.
>Never happened.
We just got over talking about an example in Zero Mission where Samus strip teased for no real reason. Get your memory checked.
>She doesn't need to turn into a psyco killing machine either
And yet she's still doing their dirty work, with Emmis they designed (oh sorry, commissioned from a major corporation, as if that redeems them) to extract DNA. They also just so happen to have made the EMMIs immune to all of Samus' weapons, so they can get her metroid DNA. At this point Samus is too stupid to live. Like she's asking for them to backstab her.
>Nope, I took it to the next step
How about you not do that?
>An ever shrinking canvas and a tool that is withering away
I've made due with worse. Sorry.
>No one took Other M seriously either,
Except the fans who universally praised it due to the breasts.
>he's just stronger than her is all.
Then he should've just killed Samus when he had the chance, or let the EMMIs get her DNA. Bad writing all around.
>He wanted to force her Metroid DNA to activate
Something that never happened before, and will never happen again. Plot convenience. Poor at that.
>being powerful is bad
BECAUSE IT'S IN A CUTSCENE. I want agency, it's a video game, not a damn movie.
>genocide of a species should be followed through without question or exception inb4 some contrarian replies 'based'
>the player should never ever be made to feel any moment of hopelessness or weakness because that would let them empathize with the character or situation too much and hurt their feelings
>not appreciating the catharsis in acquiring the Hyper Beam with the baby's death and hyperstomping MB through the mouth in cold vengeance that wouldn't be possible because without the baby to there's no personal attachment to this conflict
>genocide of a species should be followed through without question or exception
Based
I need a game where Samus is a jobber.
what does she smell like under that suit?
A human/bird/alien.
sweaty pussy and feathers
tfw samus will never destroy your pelvis.
SHE'S A REAL PARTY ANIMAL
>replying to ACgay
Why haven't you learned ignore the bait, Ganker?
>zero suit stealth/shooter game where Samus actually hunts bounties
>the full suit is reserved for
missions in other planets or outer space
Kino
I like cute blondes
I think there could be a compromise here. Have it so that she wears the armor most of the time on missions, but in some kind of hub world or when within her ship, you can walk around in Zero Suit if you want. That's what I would want.
What you guys keep forgetting is that Samus is in fact more than 6 feet tall
She's not, that's the suit.
I'll take official JP canon over western musclegay nintendo power fanfiction any day.
Huh, look a that. The Japanese material also says that Samus is 6'2".
It says "Powered Up Samus" is 190cm, not Samus herself.
>samus has a suit fitted for a 190cm person
>samus is not 190cm because I SAID SO OKAY?!
Samus's suit doesn't fit her like a glove, her arms would be ripped out of their sockets. Even if it did the padding and armor in the suit would take up some space and leave her *maybe* around 6 feet, if we're being gracious.
Her in-game human models are also much shorter than the suit itself too.
>Looks like "western musclegay nintendo power fanfiction" is spot-on to official JP canon, give or take an inch.
It isn't, and it being the wrong inch measurement is only even more damning for being some western musclegay writer's headcanon he just slapped on out of nowhere.
Again, the suit itself is 190cm, not Samus herself, stated by the JP manuals which came out before that issue of power even came out too.
What? Information from the creators themselves > incorrect information from some fetishist intern.
It's the exact same information in both images, you dense motherfricker.
>the exact same
>"w-well give or take an inch"
So not the same, moron.
And even more so, patently false. The JP media that exists only ever states the height of her suit and not Samus herself, so nintendo power extrapolating that to her is just fanfiction from a miserable little amazonessgay.
It isn't. Take a chill pill, troony.
>it being the wrong inch measurement
It's not wrong
190cm = 6' 2.8"
They just rounded up to 6ft 3
It was most likely a mistranslation/mistake back then
There is no defending that disgusting Black person design they gave her though
>musclegay
wat
interesting, I'll buy that. her suit is definitely some type of space magic so whose to say it can't make her taller
>interesting, I'll buy that.
There's no "buying", it's just a simple fact.
>her suit is definitely some type of space magic so whose to say it can't make her taller
Eh, speculation doesn't really matter here. The only thing we've seen is her take her helmet off. That and with the existence of the morphball too, it's better to assume that it's just got some interdimensional capabilities and she can materialize parts of her body/her body is stored in some pocket dimension or something, or else she would have been crushed and ripped apart already. She's effectively linked with the suit so I think of it more like a "one soul, two bodies" kind of thing, where the body can be swapped out.
Again though, that's all *with* the suit "on", so when it's "off" all that spacebird magic body-changing technology flies out the window and she's just a regular woman.
1.9 meters is 6ft 2 in bro
Looks like "western musclegay nintendo power fanfiction" is spot-on to official JP canon, give or take an inch.
1.9 meters = 6ft 2in
90 kg = 198 lbs
Nintendo Power mistook that height as it Samus' height without the suit. Probably a mistranslation from back in the day.
BTW they turned her into an ugly swarthoid in that artwork.
I hate amerimutts so much.
Something went wrong with Americans by the 90s. Too much israelite influence.
You do know that artwork is Japanese, right
No it isn't. If it was drawn by a Japanese artist then it was explicitly drawn for Nintendo Power.
She was always White blonde in official JP artwork
In amerimutt artwork they gave her swarthy complexion and troony purple hair
I'm the other guy, it was used in the Japanese guide, but again, not mentioning any height or anything in it.
This and what you posted are cool visualizations but they are in no way good references, proportionally or conceptually. They are wildly inconsistent amongst each other.
Meanwhile, again, we have in-game models and the like for comparisons to show she's shorter than the suit and other characters as well.
Don't know where you got that image from
It's not featured here at all
https://metroiddatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/Super-Metroid/smj_manual.pdf
It's actually the Chinese TL it seems, but even it was a real b***h to find, it's almost like it just got scrubbed since I've looked at it before.
https://archive.org/details/jf-sfc-019/mode/2up
Purple haired Samus was from Nintendo Power comic drawn by Benimaru Itoh
https://metroiddatabase.com/old_site/manga/listing.php?vid=1
Thanks.
>It was drawn for NoA/Nintendo Power
>Most likely some NoA israelite/libshit suit requested some japanese artist to draw her as a purple haired troony
>Then that image and others were probably reused for the JP guide out of convenience
Was theorizing this could be the case, but this hasn't stopped normalhomosexuals and their inane and stubborn autism before. Tertiary fetishists have already proved they don't actually care about canonical information, they've even done that this very thread.
Pic related
It was drawn for NoA/Nintendo Power
Most likely some NoA israelite/libshit suit requested some japanese artist to draw her as a purple haired troony
Then that image and others were probably reused for the JP guide out of convenience
>Japanese guide
Sorry anon, had a brainfart
But the JP images I posted were also from the JP Super Metroid guide
The funny thing is that the musclegay nintendo power power suit samus artwork only says 6'3(190cm) but doesn't specify anything. Like it doesn't says that Samus is actually that height outside of the suit.
The idea that Samus is 6'3 is entirely headcanon from western fans.
It does say she's that tall out of the suit though, but it's still headcanon because the measurements are not only wrong but applied to her human form as well, which has never happened in any official Japanese media, AKA the only information that matters since it comes from the creators themselves and not localized slop that is notorious for changing shit.
im glad someone outside me took the "samus is a girl(female)" banner, i used to post this every thread i could find but at some point they started ignoring me and keep on spamming westoid shit
sadly i half-lost my disk where the metroid images where stored but i just found again some old pics of beta stuff
pic related is the hard proof that 190cm is the suit on height
the source is half dead
>https://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/super_metroid_beta_pictures.html
thankfully archive can look for shit lost in time, i just archieved it and somehow recovered the rest of the images
>https://archive.(imba-samus)/rQFwV
and the actual source of everything
https://web.archive.org/web/20211130154609/https://galaxar.sakabatou.net/Smetbeta.html
Every now and then I get a little annoyed seeing twitter secondaries spamming their "amazon dommy mommy Samus" fanfiction, so I have to chime in.
>People don't understand the the 6' 3'' factoid was introduced in regards to the SPECS of Samus suit in the Metroid II manual (both ENG and JPN), it was never used in the context about how tall Samus was OUTSIDE of the suit.
Exactly.
>Yes, Samus is still taller than the average adult female. But Samus herself being 6' 3'' is completely misunderstood by the fandom who just read up fan wikis, and the original writer of that English Super Metroid Player's Guide misunderstood that specific factoid's original context.
>It's not impossible for the devs to eventually just accept that Samus herself is 6' 3'' just because the fandom themselves believed it for so long, but it still needs to be cleared up that wasn't the original context of that factoid.
Would be a pretty lame copout honestly, especially since it's not the actual fandom, just secondary fetishists. Her in-game models are all shorter than the suit too.
If you want proof of this too just go look up any fanart before Smash Ultimate came out, there was basically zero of her being tall and/or muscular, showing that the actual fanbase knew what she looked like.
Then when SSBU released an absolute deluge of amazon/muscle fetish shit was spammed online, nearly eclipsing all previously made fanart, and surprise surprise, a lot of it is patreon beggars, just adding onto the pile of secondaries.
give me a birthday suit samus game where she is naked i want to see her naked yes yes
How about Bunny Suit Samus?
it is not good ENOUGH
i want the PUSSY, BUTTHOLE, vegana, and NIPPLE of attractive woman samus
yes yes
Samus is into tall men. DUH. Like every girl. Anthony towers over her.
>6'8
So Samus is even more of a womanlet than we thought if she barely comes up to his shoulders in the suit, lol
Anthony is the only thing i want from Other M to come back, dudes a bro
No. frick off
Yes. Frick on.
Why do trannies get so upset about Samus being a tall, strong woman?
Trannies are always upset
Trannies are the ones that want all female characters to be masculine though?
Tertiaries love acting like Samus is tall and muscular because of nintendo power fanfiction.
>Not the first post from this IP
Samus is only tall if you consider 5'9 or 5'10 to be tall
She is not 6'3 though, outside the suit
Should I get this game for my son? IIRC it's the best one
Would you marry Samus knowing that the babies you would make with her would be freaky Chozo-Metroid-Human hybrids?
Yes.
Why do you have to try to qualify it like that, Samus is the perfect wife and deserves love no matter what.
True. She blushes when you tell her how pretty she looks wearing an apron.
Zero Suit Samus is just regular Samus' ditzy, petite cousin whom she has hot lesbian sex with.
I think Samus is cute and I wanna breed her :3
IMHO Metroid should be all about breeding Samus
okay but only if it's me doing it
If they did that, I'd actually play her game
Metroid literally is bogged down by 80s boomer sci-fi tropes
If it ditched the power suit in favor of a modified zero suit(by nanomachines or whatever) that functions like the power suit it would be a lot more popular.
Make the design like Smash 4. That model had perfect boobs/ass.
Just remove the hideous mole and you're gold.
>character: -_-
(You)
>"OMG LOOK AT HER SHE IS CRYING AND PISSING HER PANTS THIS IS JUST NINTENDO TRYING TO MAKE SOME WITTY META COMMENTARY ABOUT VULNERABILITY AND TRYING TO DEPRIVE US OF GAMEPLAY"
Remember kids, this is why you don't take AChomosexual seriously.
>"OMG LOOK AT HER SHE IS CRYING AND PISSING HER PANTS THIS IS JUST NINTENDO TRYING TO MAKE SOME WITTY META COMMENTARY ABOUT VULNERABILITY AND TRYING TO DEPRIVE US OF GAMEPLAY"
Dread suit might be the closest we'll get.
I've said it before, remove the tumblr red nose shading from this image an it would be almost perfect.
Make her boobs bigger of course and at this point lose the helmet because it just looks silly.
Shame her ass doesn't look nearly as good in-game.
What impact would you expect the zero suit (or lack of power suit) have on gameplay? What else would you want to see from these different forms? What other forms/suits would you want to see and what effects would they have?
Obviously ;her birthday suit is for titillation and unreasonably difficult challenge runs.
>"Haha yeah I wrote some insane cancerous shitpost I'm such a Chad lmao YES lol haha"
At least you're acknowledging it now I guess.
I'm surprised no one has done an actual Metroidvania H-game with ZS Samus
2000s flash games
There's a good few out there that are obviously inspired by it, but they're all pretty lame with the "you have to lose to see the sex scene" stuff.
Thankfully some newer games have gotten better and you just unlock H scenes upon clearing levels/bosses.
Counter proposal; plug suit Samus.
>adult human in heavy duty metal power armor is only 90kg
Shhh, it's funnier if he doesn't notice.
It's spacebird tech that's supposed to be nimble, it's lightweight for her acrobatics. She doesn't actually physically wear the suit either, the proportions are completely different.
It's funnier still realizing how little musclehomosexuals have an understanding of basic female biology, but expected.
Why do you assume the weight is Samus + the Suit? It could very well be the suit itself alone is almost 200lbs
Why do you assume the weight is the suit itself alone? It could very well be Samus herself alone is almost 200lbs
Because the entirety of those 2 pages are specifically about the specs of the suit.
But it also says Samus Aran right there.
>diagram of car lists its weight
>"Errrm how do you know that's not the weight of the people inside it?"
(You)
Because most diagrams don't say "HUMAN BEING" on the attached weight listing.
In fact I'm pretty sure none of them do.
Most diagrams of characters in suits of armor don't list only the human's weight either, dipshit.
I'm glad that we could agree that those are Samus' numbers without the suit then.
>show suit
>"this is the specs of the suit"
>(You)
>"Must be her outside of the suit then"
See the pic posted here
again, headcanon homosexual.
because I didn't actually think of it when I posted
I may have moronic
>those facehugger snuff animated sfms
No because I don't care about Metroid other than the hentai and even then I don't jerk it to her that often
is it just me or are there multiple acBlack person copycats? or is it just extreme samegayging again? he was moronic but not to this extent i beleive
To impersonate a faceless, invisible and anonymous moron, one must be equally, if not more so, moronic
Frankly, we're overqualified
Yes he was.
>he was moronic but not to this extent i beleive
You don't earn a name on this site unless you are a notoriously cancerous shitposter dude. And like most other named homosexuals, they believe they're the good guys, that their posts are done out of righteous indignation because other people ridiculed them online before.
He's an obvious neet that scours the catalog 24/7/365 to announce his presence and derail threads. He did that for several years, why would he ever stop? Not like banning him would do any good either, not like he really ever has though.
He's like the most shining example that someone can have 99.99% of their post's content be trolling, off-topic buzzword cancer, but then attach "video games?" at the end of their post and be left alone. It's a joke.
That's literally all he does, motte and bailey shit. Over and over and over and over and over.
>asserts some completely nuclear solution to "fixing games" is the best
>other posters say it's stupid and heavy handed
>"WHOA WHOA WHOA I just said I wanted games to be improved, you want games to be improved right? Why are you attacking me over such an innocuous sentiment?"
Textbook motte and bailey.
The problem is too many newbies fall for the bait every time.
Ignore the bastard.
And the worst shitposters are those that gain a following who all think they're the good guys, like ZelinkOP has.
Jesus christ you just can't have a Zelda thread anymore without those homosexuals showing up and ruining it.
remember
>human/ayy bird/ayylien/x dna abomination
>shes 99% testosterone because my mutilated at birth benis said so 🙂
they are not even men(male) do not engage with them
Bro she is literally half Metroid now.
Samus canonically goes to bars in her underwear
You are canonically a dork.
>imblying zebes has the same atmosphere and gravity pull as earth
you Black folk has no basis for youre literal fanfic, how long do you plan to keep this up
I mean yeah.
That's the reason she was infused with Chozo blood is because normal humans can't survive on Zebes.
In theory you could accidentally type in a password that takes you to completely hidden worlds in Metroid.
Did any of you ever come upon some secret you have no answers? There's a couple people on reddit claiming they accessed areas that there's no evidence of even existing anywhere online, with special bosses or enemies, and they swear they go there as kids using bombing or wall tricks. One guy has been trying to find answers for years.
Have to cast doubt on that claim. The password system in Metroid shouldn't have access to world gen, only to affect certain event flags, like having certain items or certain bosses being beaten. If something else was there, data mining would've shown it.
I recognize that post. It was a bait thread on /vr/ last week. Oddly enough turned out to be a decent but short thread.
i once told him i liked other m, bad metroid game but enjoyable standalone game to me
13 years later he still cant recover from that
>primegays always want samus to be masculine
>primegays hate samus being pretty/attractive/sexy
>primegays claim american nintendo power fanfiction is canon and want her to be a 6'3 monstrocity
>primegays wanted her identity to be forever hidden so she was a non-character so they could self insert into the suit themselves
>primegays only like the FPSlop games because it allows them to fantasize about being samus
>wanting to be female when they are not
>troony mindset
>get furious when you call them primegays
>call everyone that disagrees with their circlejerk groups in metroid threads an imaginary boogeyman to cope while they seethe and dilate
>primegays have been a blight on all metroid discussion for decades on this site
Primegays not even once.
>PrimeCHADS care more about gameplay than whether their games can be used for porn dumps
>PrimeKINGS think that a videogame character should stand on their active gameplay abilities, and not their looks
>PrimeKINOLUDOS are of the sound mind that a good game can stand on its own even without gimmicks like breasts or waifus
reminder primegays hate the 2D games and will also lie about it to save face. They've been shitposting metroid threads for years.
>Primegays hate the 2D games
Come again, sweetheart?
>frick I better download a ton of ROMs and hacks that took me all of 2 second just to cover my tracks this will CERTAINLY fool people!
Nice photoshop skills I'm sure someone will buy it.
Concession accepted.
>still nothing but shitposting
Well I guess I should've expected that
I like 2d and 3d
Why can't we just be happy that Metroid as a whole is in much better shape than it was years ago?
The dark age caused by Other M is over.
prime started the shitposting era you revisionist newbie.
None of that fricking matters.
We got a good remake of Metroid 2, Metroid Dread being excellent, a great Prime 1 remaster, and Prime 4 will probably be a launch game for next gen Switch.
METROID IS ALIVE AND IM SO HAPPY BROS
HOPE WON
the remake was a fan game though. does it really count?
We got Samus Returns and AM2R, so that's nice.
Oh yeah we did. I really liked dread. It's better than fusion
Because Ganker dabbed a bit too hard on ol' autismo here back then and he wasn't able to let go of it since. Now we have to put up with the
>MOVIESLOP
>MOVIESLOP
>MOVIESLOP
>oh btw video games I guess
shitposts from him now into eternity since Ganker is basically /b/ and /trash/ fused together, and the only real way to get banned on here is to post porn or gore, which doesn't really matter anyway since ban evading is piss easy.
lmao you didn't even read the images you posted you absolute fricking moron
>you didn't read
I did, which is why I can tell morons like you that can't read that picture that you're wrong. "Powered Up Samus" means her in the Power Suit.
Seethe and cope, tertiary musclegay.
yeah yeah i'm sure the power armor that has decimated planets is 198 pounds
Yeah, magic space bird future technology could easily produce a power suit that is that lightweight with the user using it.
Please keep seething, coping and dilating though because it doesn't fit your deviantart headcanon vision of Samus, muscletroon tourist.
Reading the thread before responding helps
>It's all one guy reeeeeeee no way it can be that more than person disagrees with my opinion reeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
touch grass nincel.
Retro Samus
If there was ever a ZZS game it should be a prequel before she got her first suit or knew about the metroids at all. Show how she left her princesshood behind and became a bounty hunter. Maybe at the very end she gets her suit and ship, but is just using regular guns and rocket launchers before.
if she shits in it.
ban textwall posters
Where the FRICK is X-Fusion holy shit
I forgot it was in the works.
Any ROMhacks I should check out of any of the Metroid games? I'll take high quality, interesting, goofy, holiday themed
see
was that the one with the high iq sax? i cant find the og content on yt anymore
It's still in active development, but Metaquarius (author) took down many old videos because of spoilers and they were no longer reflective of the game as it is currently.
Based
Other M is more of a Metroid game than Prime is. There I said it.
HE SAID IT
REMINDER THAT IF YOU LIKE GIRLS(FEMALE) YOUR BASICALLY A OTHER M DEVELOPER
Who can satisfy samus?
Me.
Chief
That heavily pregnant samus is doing some things to me.
No. Metroid is all about the powersuit vs alien environments. Removing the powersuit will just ramp up the ninja-esque action elements Sakamoto push so hard.
> ramp up the ninja-esque action elements
I get what you are saying, but they seem to be doing that just fine on their own if Dread's any indication
Gay. Bren McGuirebros, let’s show these sissies who’s boss!