Notice how none of the zodigays are in this thread because they know they've made an utter moron of themselves for the past 26 years. Btfo embarassing braindead sheep
Because Fennekin has more than one animal inspiration, and dog is one of them. Literally just horns would make the Fuecoco evo fit the bull slot of the Zodiac theory and you morons will seethe.
>Preemptive cope for when Feucoco ends up fitting more with the Brazil sports mascots than the Zodiac >Admitting that you think Charizard is a Cow because it has horns
Wrong again moron, Blaziken coils its legs when it kicks, jumps well enough to simulate flight, has scales on its hands and feet, and birds are descended from dinosaurs which are basically dragons, Blaziken is the dragon.
Emboar is the horse already. It has hooves, it's a quadruped like a horse as Tepig, and it's more or less defined by Flame Charge, making it race like a horse.
I think one could argue a thin lizard is close enough to a snake, but if it's a clear crocodile or something, it would show that they're departing substantially from the pattern. Of course, 7 out of 9 starters being exact zodiac animals, one being slightly off, and the other noticeably off makes it difficult to both deny the theory outright and difficult to say they follow it seriously. Personally, I think the zodiac is more of a launchpad for inspiration than a "Oh, I need to make exactly this specific species of animal because it's in the zodiac" type of thing.
Well, the whole Snivy line has little limbs, but they're obviously snake Pokémon. Or, do you think Serperior is a lizard? I mean, Snivy is literally called the "grass snake" Pokémon. But it has little limbs. That's what I mean by close enough.
>6 out of 8 fire starters perfectly match the theory with the remaining two deviating a little bit for the sake of better fitting another theme >y-you lost!!!
lmfao >inb4 "cyndaquil isn't a rat!!!!"
cyndaquil is featured in the year of the rat poster, confirming it's meant to be a rodent. Cope.
is essentially right. The only odd one out so far is Fennekin, which is relatively close to a dog in design. If Fuecoco doesn't resemble a snake at all in its final evolution, then they've decided to depart from the pattern.
But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals; you can't honestly believe they accidentally followed the pattern perfectly 6 times by random chance. They have definitely taken inspiration from the zodiac, but nothing stops them from departing whenever they like.
>But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals; you can't honestly believe they accidentally followed the pattern perfectly 6 times by random chance.
Yes but starters are meant to be marketable, so they tend to go for the more popular animals. They ain't gonna make an aye-aye starter.
Which probably explains why the zodiac mons end up as fire types; they're well-known animals. They can't be water mons because they generally reserve that for the aquatic animals, so they can only either end up as Grass or Fire. And honestly using moronic zodiac logic you could connect some Grass mons to it too (Chespin is a hedgehog and thus a rat)
Also, looking outside of starters, Fire-types in general have a tendency to be mammals with the occasional reptile and bird, very rarely invertebrates/objects/misc., never amphibians (Charmander and Salandit are lizards) or fish. And what are the Zodiac animals? 8 mammals, 3 reptiles, 1 bird.
Yeah, no. There are way too many possibilities, as shown by all the grass and water starters. Nailing it so many times in a row from the get-go is not feasible by accident. Look at the grass starters for example. You could argue 3 of them matching, but it takes until gen 5 to start making that argument and it falls apart again with Rowlett. Obviously none of the water starters fit the bill. The fact that the zodiac theory was used to confirm Litten and Scorebunny despite the anti-zodiac theory demonstrated that it has been effective. If you argue coincidence, then even if the entire lineup was a perfect fit, you could still argue coincidence because GF will never officially say anything. Nothing stops them from departing from the pattern, however.
>it falls apart again with Rowlett
There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
>Bidoof >Beavers are rats
Beavers are indeed rodents
2 years ago
Anonymous
A squirrel is also a rodent, that doesn't make it a rat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rat, mouse, and rodent are all translated into the same Japanese word
>Chinese dragon
What? No one said it had to be specifically Chinese. That's just how Chinese depict their traditional dragons. Charizard is obviously based off a western dragon. In Japanese, there's no debate for Cyndaquil. Anti-zodiac gays just seem to think English is the primary language of GF. The only rooster or even chicken Pokémon ever made just so happens to fit the fire starter zodiac (so much for popular animals only).
[...] >There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
Proof? There's no phonological or etymological similarity between the words in Japanese that I know of. And can you demonstrate that this is a common occurrence?
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10407725
Here you go. As for other examples, the most common I've seen beyond this are Sonic the Hedgehog used in year of the rat art for Sega, the Dog and Ox fruit in One Piece having respective Fox and Giraffe variants, the guy representing the dragon zodiac in Fruits Basket turning into a seahorse instead of a "real" dragon, Caturamon the Dog Deva in Digmon is a shiisa (which are based on lions), Zoodiac Hammerkong in yugioh is a gorilla, and there are probably more examples out there somewhere
2 years ago
Anonymous
The seahorse representing the dragon is because it’s Japanese name for it literally means “dragon’s illegitimate child”
>from the get-go
Charizard doesn't resemble a Chinese dragon in the slightest and there's the whole ambiguity of the Cyndaquil line that is constantly debated. That is hardly "nailing it from the get-go."
I will admit that of all the potential birds they could've gone with for Fire's first and so far only avian starter, it is interesting that they went with a chicken.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Assuming the idea of fire/fighting came first, then chicken would be a pretty good fit since chickens have a (pretty unfortunate) association with fighting.
Yeah, no. There are way too many possibilities, as shown by all the grass and water starters. Nailing it so many times in a row from the get-go is not feasible by accident. Look at the grass starters for example. You could argue 3 of them matching, but it takes until gen 5 to start making that argument and it falls apart again with Rowlett. Obviously none of the water starters fit the bill. The fact that the zodiac theory was used to confirm Litten and Scorebunny despite the anti-zodiac theory demonstrated that it has been effective. If you argue coincidence, then even if the entire lineup was a perfect fit, you could still argue coincidence because GF will never officially say anything. Nothing stops them from departing from the pattern, however.
And on the flipside, zodiac theory was useless for confirming Fennekin. Absolutely no expected a fox, the whole "foxes are dogs" thing is a rationalization to salvage the theory.
I won't speak for Scorbunny because I logged off during SwSh but for SM, I remember people being blindsided by Incineroar because they were too hung up on the idea of Litten becoming a typical tiger, likely because of zodiac theory. That's the issue with the theory, it doesn't look at family lines as a whole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it is interesting that they went with a chicken
It was because R/S starters were built around the theme of "animals you'd find in the tropics" and backyard chicken farming is all over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Chinese dragon
What? No one said it had to be specifically Chinese. That's just how Chinese depict their traditional dragons. Charizard is obviously based off a western dragon. In Japanese, there's no debate for Cyndaquil. Anti-zodiac gays just seem to think English is the primary language of GF. The only rooster or even chicken Pokémon ever made just so happens to fit the fire starter zodiac (so much for popular animals only).
>it falls apart again with Rowlett
There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
[...]
Beavers are indeed rodents
>There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
Proof? There's no phonological or etymological similarity between the words in Japanese that I know of. And can you demonstrate that this is a common occurrence?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon if they had a decades-long plan to based their fire starters off the chinese zodiac then why would they not use a chinese dragon
>There are way too many possibilities, as shown by all the grass and water starters. Nailing it so many times in a row from the get-go is not feasible by accident.
Why not?
So far, the starters based on unpopular animals (at least for the time) would be;
Chikorita (Sauropoda)
Mudkip (Axolotl)
Popplio (Sea Lion)
And I’m stretching for Chikorita and Popplio since only Mudkip is connected to an obscure Animal.
But if you want to prove us wrong, go download RStudio, download some Libraries (I recommend JTools), and do a Regression Analysis (basically the method in statistics where you compare factors to likely influence a pattern)
Then paste/screenshot the results of the analysis here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Axolotls were actually popular in Japan for a time too. It would've been a little dated by RS' development though
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wooper?
2 years ago
Anonymous
All salamander larvae have those external gills. It's not specific to axolotls.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'd have to know all possible creatures GF could have used. And I'd have to weigh the popularity and marketable-ness of a certain creature (not a very easy thing to make a statistic without digging up serious research). I'd like to get your opinion on this then. If all fire starters lined up exactly without debate from anyone, would you think it was inspired by the zodiac or just coincidence? Just going through a list of all Pokémon, and there are tons of different creatures. But I couldn't tell you which one GF would or could have chosen instead. Point is, in the end this isn't random. A person is choosing to make a design. If that person has inspiration from something, his designs will reflect that. When presented constantly with such a pattern, if we can make out the Chinese zodiac pattern years ago, does no one really think GF would have figured it out had they been doing it by accident?
Anon if they had a decades-long plan to based their fire starters off the chinese zodiac then why would they not use a chinese dragon
Gameboy limitations, marketability, Sugimori art style of the time, they didn't think of it until gen 2 or 3 when Pokémon demonstrated that it was going to actually have a "decades-long" at all—I dunno, man; choose your favorite.
Rat, mouse, and rodent are all translated into the same Japanese word
[...]
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10407725
Here you go. As for other examples, the most common I've seen beyond this are Sonic the Hedgehog used in year of the rat art for Sega, the Dog and Ox fruit in One Piece having respective Fox and Giraffe variants, the guy representing the dragon zodiac in Fruits Basket turning into a seahorse instead of a "real" dragon, Caturamon the Dog Deva in Digmon is a shiisa (which are based on lions), Zoodiac Hammerkong in yugioh is a gorilla, and there are probably more examples out there somewhere
Ah, what I think is going on here is that toridoshi doesn't specify the bird, so any bird can be placed for the rooster, despite the Chinese specifying rooster. This doesn't seem to be the case for most other years that specify which animal, except the illustrious nezumi. (Sonic is a nezumi, I don't understand your One Piece reference, seahorse is "dragon's child" in Japanese, shiisa are a cross between a lion and a dog, Saru works for both monkeys and gorillas in Japanese.) Whew. That's a ton of explaining.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>This doesn't seem to be the case for most other years that specify which animal
There are some sneaky puns that gamefreak could pull off if they wanted to, or already have if you argue that inu in inudoshi can be stretched to mean canine. 馬大頭 is a kind of dragonfly that has the horse kanji in its name. 馬陸 is the kanji for millipede, which also uses the horse kanji. 馬蛤貝 is the razor clam, again using the horse kanji. 馬面蝙蝠 is a fruit bat, horse kanji again. There are a lot more from the other signs' animals, too. >I don't understand your One Piece reference
The gimmick in One Piece is that there are magical fruit which give a person who eats one some kind of power. Some of the fruit are animal fruit that let the eater turn into that animal. The dog fruit lets the eater turn into a dog and the ox fruit lets the eater turn into an ox.
Instead of making a separate fruit for the fox and giraffe, they're instead called a variant of the dog and ox fruits. >Inu Inu no Mi / Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Nine-Tailed Fox >Ushi Ushi no Mi / Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also gamefreak's year of the ox pics had Gastrodon and Gothita because the sea slugs are called sea cows in Japanese and part of Gothita's Japanese species name is pronounced ushi
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re absolutely right. GameFreak picks out what creatures to base the Starters on, and all those decisions coincidentally align with the Chinese Zodiac.
The thing that makes the Chinese Zodiac more of a coincidence than a real pattern is that in order for to be real, the Chinese Zodiac makes the stretches, not the other way around.
Compare the Zodiac pattern to the Bipedal pattern
In the Zodiac theory, the theory has to claim; >The Hedgehog/Echidna, Weasal, and Badger fit the Rat >The Fox fits the Dog >The Crocodile will evolve into the Snake/Bull/Horse despite no hits to such designs and the Crocodile more likely becoming a Ghost Pepper >The pattern can flip-flop between first and final stage, as well as the whole line
Meanwhile, the Fire Starters jump through hoops to fit the Bipedal Pattern that is consistant. >Final Stage of Fire starters are all Bipedal >Tepig, Fennekin, and Litten all eventually became Bipedal >Non-Fire starters have stayed Quadrupeds (besides Mega Swampert, which is a Mega and not a Stage) and some became Quadrupeds, showing that the above are unique to Fire starters >There are no hints that Feucoco will become Quadruped or lose its legs
A pattern is less likely to be a coincidence when the pattern is more of an anomoly and bending over for the pattern to work. The Zodiac bends over to have itself work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>more likely becoming a Ghost Pepper
Cease this. That's a fricking Indian designer species.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the monkey will evolve into a Chinese warrior with no hits to such design >the pig will evolve into a different Chinese warrior with no hits to such design >the fox will evolve into a witch with no hits to such design >the cat will evolve into a wrestler with no hits to such design
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you really just conflate a vocation with being a cow?
I guess if you've never been employed, they might seem equally different.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>comparing one secondary design element to another
Yes
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Job >Job >Job >Job >Animal
You guys really do force delusional patterns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those are all secondary design elements, yeah
[...] >just for fun
Everyday, zodiac schizos would find a new way to cope
>ESL-kun trying to insult someone
wew
2 years ago
Anonymous
>shifting the goalpost as usual
Like clockwork
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those all had hints in their design, on top of the fact that remained the same animals. >Chimchar’s Pokedex mentioning how it plays in mountains like Sun Wukong did as a child and also being able to learn Stealth Rock (which you get early on) >Monferno having arm straps resembling israeliteelry and references to size changes and intimidate foes >Sun Wukong is also just the most famous monkey character with only Diddy Kong rivaling him, and Sinnoh being about mythology
>Tepig’s design starts out with wearing Short Trunks and even has gold on its nose >Tepig’s front limbs also have Black Hands instead of the Orange feet on its back
>Fenniken has an orange tipped tail that resembles a used broom brussels >The pale-yellow fur also resembles the Kitsune like it does for Ninetales >Fennekin will also eat twigs, referencing how it later uses a twig as a wand
>Litten has red rings on its limbs to represent bandages you would find on wrestlers >Litten also has 2 horizontal lines and 1 vertical line that resembles a corner in a boxing ring >Litten is also hinted at being a Dark type when it’s described as needing time for trust and basically being a loner >You could also argue the eyes Litten has resembles bells, often associated with wrestling
For Feucoco, it’s body resembles a pepper already and leaks have told us that it will be Fire/Ghost, which fits Ghost Pepper design extremely well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Remember when some asshats were convinced the gen 7 starters and legendaries were supposed to be centered around alchemy or some shit? I think Litten was supposed to mean lead, or some moronic shit like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. At least Solgaleo was based partly on that Metal Lion who eats Suns.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pic related
2 years ago
Anonymous
Very satanic. What were they trying to summon here?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why were they asshats? They didn't agree with some autistic pokemon theory?
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes and any theory that involves anything esoteric is seen as schizo shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Zodiac theory has never claimed to be the primary design inspirations for each mon. It's simply a general rule that works generally. It's the anti-gays that make it seem like the other side is stupid with sentences like "they think a fox is a dog" without even listening to what they're replying to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The Zodiac theory has never claimed to be the primary design inspirations for each mon
So how does that work in practice?
If you come up with a design that has no connection to the Chinese Zodiac, that would break the pattern.
If you do come up with a design with no connection to the Zodiac, but gets rejected because it has to fit the Zodiac, then it’s a primary design for the starters.
It makes 0 sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Foxes are dogs
2 years ago
Anonymous
By that same logic cows, sheep, goats, antelopes, and buffalo are all the same animal.
>But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals
Does that make them each as likely to be chosen to be pokemon? Use your head before you post you third worlder.
There are still hundreds of popular animals and untold amounts of made up fantasy creatures, you dolt. Look at the other starters for reference. You honestly think all Pokémon are the same 5 animals over and over?
Snivy had hints at being a Snake, namely being called the “Grass Snake Pokemon” and having fragile legs.
Not only does Feucoco have defined legs and is called a croco, it would break the bipedal pattern, something that has been more consistant and less coincidental than the Zodiac pattern.
I think one could argue a thin lizard is close enough to a snake, but if it's a clear crocodile or something, it would show that they're departing substantially from the pattern. Of course, 7 out of 9 starters being exact zodiac animals, one being slightly off, and the other noticeably off makes it difficult to both deny the theory outright and difficult to say they follow it seriously. Personally, I think the zodiac is more of a launchpad for inspiration than a "Oh, I need to make exactly this specific species of animal because it's in the zodiac" type of thing.
>6 out of 8 fire starters perfectly match the theory with the remaining two deviating a little bit for the sake of better fitting another theme >y-you lost!!!
lmfao >inb4 "cyndaquil isn't a rat!!!!"
cyndaquil is featured in the year of the rat poster, confirming it's meant to be a rodent. Cope.
>shifting the goalpost >hiding behind cyndaquil argument as usual while conveniently forgets about the original fuecoco topic
lmao my sides like pottery kek
You could tell zodiac was bullshit because people would pick and choose which evo form counted
ie, Charmander is not a dragon, but because it evolves into a dragon (not even a chinese one kek) it counts. Meanwhile, Cyandaquil evolves into something very obviously not a "rat", but it starts out at one so it counts I guess
Most Fire starters can be connected to the zodiac simply because Fire makes more sense for a lot of these motifs than Water or Grass. Like if you think of a soccerball themed mon, Fire makes the most sense because sports are hot-blooded and firey and shit. Meanwhile foxes have an association with fire due to the kitsune, so it makes sense that's what Delphox would be.
Pokemon designs are typically created with their final form first, and then they work backwards from there. This makes sense, because the final form is what you spend the most time with. So why is Typhlosion not a rat at all?
Or shit, look at Delphox. The "foxes are dogs" point would make some sense if it stayed a quadruped like Fennekin, but there's little dog in the final design. Do you genuinely think that anyone looking to communicate the concept of "dog" would draw Delphox? In a series with plenty of fire dogs already?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Pokemon designs are typically created with their final form first, and then they work backwards from there.
Were. There's almost no proof that this was done after gen 1.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's because GF is a lot more tight-lipped on how they design Pokemon now, but the few fragments of info we have indicate they still do this. Haxorus & Eelektrik were designed like that. Considering how more cohesive the designs of starters are, they likely do this for them too. Everything about the Fennekin family communicates "witch", not "dog".
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There's almost no proof that this was done after gen 1.
Well, in Gen 2 Quagsire and Sunflora were originally a single-stages, but that's probably what "almost" in your post meant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm sure it varies for each line, but being designed with the final stage first would explain "disappointing" evolutions that seemingly abandon themes they were setting up like Goodra and Coalossal, because in truth they weren't setting up anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Pokemon designs are typically created with their final form first, and then they work backwards from there.
Were. There's almost no proof that this was done after gen 1.
You can also be sure it's the case for shit like Eelektrik and Klang where their designs are just final-evo but smaller
2 years ago
Anonymous
[...]
You can also be sure it's the case for shit like Eelektrik and Klang where their designs are just final-evo but smaller
Zodiac-tier speculation
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's literally been confirmed for Eelektrik nignog
2 years ago
Anonymous
That was the case for Samurott.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>“I started working on the Oshawott design after we’d already decided it was going to be based on an otter. Everybody drew lots of sketches, but we couldn’t come up with any good ideas for an otter’s evolutions. It wouldn’t be very interesting if the evolutions were just bigger otters that stand on two legs.” >“Well, I’m the type of person who can’t draw without looking at the real thing, so I went to see a live otter exhibit. When I was visiting the otters, there just happened to be a sea lion show nearby, and when I saw how powerful the sea lions look when they move around, I thought ‘they look so strong!’ And that’s how I came up with the concept for Samurott, which I then linked to Oshawott. It was Samurott’s design that came to me first, even before Oshawott.”
That's half-true. Samurott's design was made first but it was already decided that the water starter would be an otter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's only halfway true that they designed Blastoise before Squirtle, because they had already decided on a turtle when they designed Blastoise
This is you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Squirtle wasn't even designed with Blastoise in mind.
They just scrapped Wartortles evo to cut down on the amount of turtle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, this is me >they decided they wanted to do an otter but were having trouble with designs >artist decided to make the last stage a sea lion then worked from there
>Shrews and hedgehogs are rats because game-freak says they are, even though they are not even in the same order of family. >>Even though by that logic that Diglett should be a rodent as well because they're based off of moles which are much closer related to shrews and hedgehogs than rats.
Enlighten me, is this one referring to counting a badger as a mouse, counting a fox as a dog, or counting a cat, the animal specifically barred from the zodiac, as a tiger?
You low elo single digit stupid idiots don't get it do you? It is related to the zodiac in some way or another as long as it's an animal. Why can't you all accept this simple logic? Crocodile? Fine. It's a zodiac animal too. The chinese zodiac aren't the only zodiac in this world. Zodiac lives.
You could tell zodiac was bullshit because people would pick and choose which evo form counted
ie, Charmander is not a dragon, but because it evolves into a dragon (not even a chinese one kek) it counts. Meanwhile, Cyandaquil evolves into something very obviously not a "rat", but it starts out at one so it counts I guess
Most Fire starters can be connected to the zodiac simply because Fire makes more sense for a lot of these motifs than Water or Grass. Like if you think of a soccerball themed mon, Fire makes the most sense because sports are hot-blooded and firey and shit. Meanwhile foxes have an association with fire due to the kitsune, so it makes sense that's what Delphox would be.
I'm still holding out to see what it becomes.
As long as it's close enough i'm sold. I'm still of the solid belief of the zodiac is, Close enough to fit.
Also you got to think of it from the chink's view of animals and creatures not the western.
ウシ目 - n. ushimoku
The bull order. In Japanese, this is all even-toed ungulates. Cows, deer, camels, giraffes, etc.
クジラウシ目 - n. kujiraushimoku
The whale-bull order. In Japanese, this is all cetaceans, so whales and dolphins.
And you would fricking seethe every time lmfao. I didn't give a shit but the dudes that just fricking hated the theory were always 10x more autistic than the dudes pro it.
>trivial
Ok schizo. Gonna screenshot this to btfo you later. Each time you bring up cyndaquil or fennekin, I would remind you that anything you say is trivial, therefore carry zero weight
>Following a pattern
If you were following a pattern nobody would care. That's the problem. Spamming bullshit and confrontational threads to autistically screech about how you're right doesn't mean you're right or even being victimized when you're told to shut the frick up and go play in the corner. It just means you're an annoying c**t and need to do what you're told.
I never saw anyone be "autistically obnoxious" about the fire starter zodiac before, I only see antizodiacs now being incredibly annoying and autistic about it. You may need help.
I still think its just gonna be that rooster crocodile thing and repeat the chicken. Either that or they dropped it after doing it until gen 8, there's no chance they just coincidentally matched zodiac animals for eight gens straight
Best part of this is that regardless of the evolution, autists will have to wait years for gen 10 to see if they stray further from the Zodiac. If the gen 10 fire starter is a Snake or a Goat, this board will lose it.
He didn’t pretend to be moronic tho, hes saying the truth. If anything you’re the one frothing at the mouth. Pattern hasn’t been broken yet either. It doesn’t have to be a snake or an ox for the pattern to continue going, it can be a dragon too.
How zods cope with their moronic brains >before 2010: Typhlosion is a rat >2013: Fennekin is a dog! >2016: Litten is a tiger! >2018: Charizard is a Chinese dragon! >2020: You are ESL!!! >2022: Teehee it's just a joke! It was never serious I swear!!!
What if the next 3 starters are an ox a goat and a horse (or a giraffe like a qilin)
Wouldn't that mean it's the zodiac with gamefreak taking creative liberties from time to time? Like going with a croc instead of a snake because they think they are both ramping reptiles and that's enough
UHHHH.......
NO WAIT IT CAN STILL BE A HORSE.... UHHH CUBAN CROCODILES GALLOP WHICH MAKES THEM HORSES
WE CAN STILL WIN THIS DONT GIVE UP ZODIACBROS!
Now we can bury the hatchet and usher towarda world peace.
The only peace is through the death of all zodiacgays
But another cancer still lives : "water starters are based on weapons".
Notice how none of the zodigays are in this thread because they know they've made an utter moron of themselves for the past 26 years. Btfo embarassing braindead sheep
>posting fakes?
>no papa
if a fox can count as a dog then why can't a crocodile count as a snake
Because Fennekin has more than one animal inspiration, and dog is one of them. Literally just horns would make the Fuecoco evo fit the bull slot of the Zodiac theory and you morons will seethe.
Poochyena and Mightyena are good examples of this. They're inspired by both dogs and hyenas, and that triggers some autists to no end
>Preemptive cope for when Feucoco ends up fitting more with the Brazil sports mascots than the Zodiac
>Admitting that you think Charizard is a Cow because it has horns
Charizard has horns, it's already the Ox, moron.
A croc with horns would be a nice fit for the dragon slot
Wrong again moron, Blaziken coils its legs when it kicks, jumps well enough to simulate flight, has scales on its hands and feet, and birds are descended from dinosaurs which are basically dragons, Blaziken is the dragon.
Then Fuecoco can be the horse
Emboar is the horse already. It has hooves, it's a quadruped like a horse as Tepig, and it's more or less defined by Flame Charge, making it race like a horse.
Guess again, dweeb.
the ride never ends :^)
Crocodiles are actually closer related to birds than they are other reptiles, so you might as well say it’s a second rooster
"reptile" is as wide of a category as mammals, try again zodiacuck
It doesn’t have to be a snake, it only needs to be close enough.
I made this post as a joke and 3 posts later
fricking hell.
Well, the whole Snivy line has little limbs, but they're obviously snake Pokémon. Or, do you think Serperior is a lizard? I mean, Snivy is literally called the "grass snake" Pokémon. But it has little limbs. That's what I mean by close enough.
is essentially right. The only odd one out so far is Fennekin, which is relatively close to a dog in design. If Fuecoco doesn't resemble a snake at all in its final evolution, then they've decided to depart from the pattern.
But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals; you can't honestly believe they accidentally followed the pattern perfectly 6 times by random chance. They have definitely taken inspiration from the zodiac, but nothing stops them from departing whenever they like.
>But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals; you can't honestly believe they accidentally followed the pattern perfectly 6 times by random chance.
Yes but starters are meant to be marketable, so they tend to go for the more popular animals. They ain't gonna make an aye-aye starter.
Which probably explains why the zodiac mons end up as fire types; they're well-known animals. They can't be water mons because they generally reserve that for the aquatic animals, so they can only either end up as Grass or Fire. And honestly using moronic zodiac logic you could connect some Grass mons to it too (Chespin is a hedgehog and thus a rat)
Also, looking outside of starters, Fire-types in general have a tendency to be mammals with the occasional reptile and bird, very rarely invertebrates/objects/misc., never amphibians (Charmander and Salandit are lizards) or fish. And what are the Zodiac animals? 8 mammals, 3 reptiles, 1 bird.
Correction: 9 mammals, 2 reptiles, 1 bird.
Yeah, no. There are way too many possibilities, as shown by all the grass and water starters. Nailing it so many times in a row from the get-go is not feasible by accident. Look at the grass starters for example. You could argue 3 of them matching, but it takes until gen 5 to start making that argument and it falls apart again with Rowlett. Obviously none of the water starters fit the bill. The fact that the zodiac theory was used to confirm Litten and Scorebunny despite the anti-zodiac theory demonstrated that it has been effective. If you argue coincidence, then even if the entire lineup was a perfect fit, you could still argue coincidence because GF will never officially say anything. Nothing stops them from departing from the pattern, however.
>it falls apart again with Rowlett
There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
Beavers are indeed rodents
A squirrel is also a rodent, that doesn't make it a rat.
Rat, mouse, and rodent are all translated into the same Japanese word
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10407725
Here you go. As for other examples, the most common I've seen beyond this are Sonic the Hedgehog used in year of the rat art for Sega, the Dog and Ox fruit in One Piece having respective Fox and Giraffe variants, the guy representing the dragon zodiac in Fruits Basket turning into a seahorse instead of a "real" dragon, Caturamon the Dog Deva in Digmon is a shiisa (which are based on lions), Zoodiac Hammerkong in yugioh is a gorilla, and there are probably more examples out there somewhere
The seahorse representing the dragon is because it’s Japanese name for it literally means “dragon’s illegitimate child”
Yeah, but it isn't literally my mom's dragon
>from the get-go
Charizard doesn't resemble a Chinese dragon in the slightest and there's the whole ambiguity of the Cyndaquil line that is constantly debated. That is hardly "nailing it from the get-go."
I will admit that of all the potential birds they could've gone with for Fire's first and so far only avian starter, it is interesting that they went with a chicken.
Assuming the idea of fire/fighting came first, then chicken would be a pretty good fit since chickens have a (pretty unfortunate) association with fighting.
And on the flipside, zodiac theory was useless for confirming Fennekin. Absolutely no expected a fox, the whole "foxes are dogs" thing is a rationalization to salvage the theory.
I won't speak for Scorbunny because I logged off during SwSh but for SM, I remember people being blindsided by Incineroar because they were too hung up on the idea of Litten becoming a typical tiger, likely because of zodiac theory. That's the issue with the theory, it doesn't look at family lines as a whole.
>it is interesting that they went with a chicken
It was because R/S starters were built around the theme of "animals you'd find in the tropics" and backyard chicken farming is all over.
>Chinese dragon
What? No one said it had to be specifically Chinese. That's just how Chinese depict their traditional dragons. Charizard is obviously based off a western dragon. In Japanese, there's no debate for Cyndaquil. Anti-zodiac gays just seem to think English is the primary language of GF. The only rooster or even chicken Pokémon ever made just so happens to fit the fire starter zodiac (so much for popular animals only).
>There's a Japanese year of the rooster toy that uses an owl instead of a rooster
Proof? There's no phonological or etymological similarity between the words in Japanese that I know of. And can you demonstrate that this is a common occurrence?
Anon if they had a decades-long plan to based their fire starters off the chinese zodiac then why would they not use a chinese dragon
>There are way too many possibilities, as shown by all the grass and water starters. Nailing it so many times in a row from the get-go is not feasible by accident.
Why not?
So far, the starters based on unpopular animals (at least for the time) would be;
Chikorita (Sauropoda)
Mudkip (Axolotl)
Popplio (Sea Lion)
And I’m stretching for Chikorita and Popplio since only Mudkip is connected to an obscure Animal.
But if you want to prove us wrong, go download RStudio, download some Libraries (I recommend JTools), and do a Regression Analysis (basically the method in statistics where you compare factors to likely influence a pattern)
Then paste/screenshot the results of the analysis here.
Axolotls were actually popular in Japan for a time too. It would've been a little dated by RS' development though
Wooper?
All salamander larvae have those external gills. It's not specific to axolotls.
I'd have to know all possible creatures GF could have used. And I'd have to weigh the popularity and marketable-ness of a certain creature (not a very easy thing to make a statistic without digging up serious research). I'd like to get your opinion on this then. If all fire starters lined up exactly without debate from anyone, would you think it was inspired by the zodiac or just coincidence? Just going through a list of all Pokémon, and there are tons of different creatures. But I couldn't tell you which one GF would or could have chosen instead. Point is, in the end this isn't random. A person is choosing to make a design. If that person has inspiration from something, his designs will reflect that. When presented constantly with such a pattern, if we can make out the Chinese zodiac pattern years ago, does no one really think GF would have figured it out had they been doing it by accident?
Gameboy limitations, marketability, Sugimori art style of the time, they didn't think of it until gen 2 or 3 when Pokémon demonstrated that it was going to actually have a "decades-long" at all—I dunno, man; choose your favorite.
Ah, what I think is going on here is that toridoshi doesn't specify the bird, so any bird can be placed for the rooster, despite the Chinese specifying rooster. This doesn't seem to be the case for most other years that specify which animal, except the illustrious nezumi. (Sonic is a nezumi, I don't understand your One Piece reference, seahorse is "dragon's child" in Japanese, shiisa are a cross between a lion and a dog, Saru works for both monkeys and gorillas in Japanese.) Whew. That's a ton of explaining.
>This doesn't seem to be the case for most other years that specify which animal
There are some sneaky puns that gamefreak could pull off if they wanted to, or already have if you argue that inu in inudoshi can be stretched to mean canine. 馬大頭 is a kind of dragonfly that has the horse kanji in its name. 馬陸 is the kanji for millipede, which also uses the horse kanji. 馬蛤貝 is the razor clam, again using the horse kanji. 馬面蝙蝠 is a fruit bat, horse kanji again. There are a lot more from the other signs' animals, too.
>I don't understand your One Piece reference
The gimmick in One Piece is that there are magical fruit which give a person who eats one some kind of power. Some of the fruit are animal fruit that let the eater turn into that animal. The dog fruit lets the eater turn into a dog and the ox fruit lets the eater turn into an ox.
Instead of making a separate fruit for the fox and giraffe, they're instead called a variant of the dog and ox fruits.
>Inu Inu no Mi / Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Nine-Tailed Fox
>Ushi Ushi no Mi / Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe
Also gamefreak's year of the ox pics had Gastrodon and Gothita because the sea slugs are called sea cows in Japanese and part of Gothita's Japanese species name is pronounced ushi
You’re absolutely right. GameFreak picks out what creatures to base the Starters on, and all those decisions coincidentally align with the Chinese Zodiac.
The thing that makes the Chinese Zodiac more of a coincidence than a real pattern is that in order for to be real, the Chinese Zodiac makes the stretches, not the other way around.
Compare the Zodiac pattern to the Bipedal pattern
In the Zodiac theory, the theory has to claim;
>The Hedgehog/Echidna, Weasal, and Badger fit the Rat
>The Fox fits the Dog
>The Crocodile will evolve into the Snake/Bull/Horse despite no hits to such designs and the Crocodile more likely becoming a Ghost Pepper
>The pattern can flip-flop between first and final stage, as well as the whole line
Meanwhile, the Fire Starters jump through hoops to fit the Bipedal Pattern that is consistant.
>Final Stage of Fire starters are all Bipedal
>Tepig, Fennekin, and Litten all eventually became Bipedal
>Non-Fire starters have stayed Quadrupeds (besides Mega Swampert, which is a Mega and not a Stage) and some became Quadrupeds, showing that the above are unique to Fire starters
>There are no hints that Feucoco will become Quadruped or lose its legs
A pattern is less likely to be a coincidence when the pattern is more of an anomoly and bending over for the pattern to work. The Zodiac bends over to have itself work.
>more likely becoming a Ghost Pepper
Cease this. That's a fricking Indian designer species.
>the monkey will evolve into a Chinese warrior with no hits to such design
>the pig will evolve into a different Chinese warrior with no hits to such design
>the fox will evolve into a witch with no hits to such design
>the cat will evolve into a wrestler with no hits to such design
Did you really just conflate a vocation with being a cow?
I guess if you've never been employed, they might seem equally different.
>comparing one secondary design element to another
Yes
>Job
>Job
>Job
>Job
>Animal
You guys really do force delusional patterns.
Those are all secondary design elements, yeah
>ESL-kun trying to insult someone
wew
>shifting the goalpost as usual
Like clockwork
Those all had hints in their design, on top of the fact that remained the same animals.
>Chimchar’s Pokedex mentioning how it plays in mountains like Sun Wukong did as a child and also being able to learn Stealth Rock (which you get early on)
>Monferno having arm straps resembling israeliteelry and references to size changes and intimidate foes
>Sun Wukong is also just the most famous monkey character with only Diddy Kong rivaling him, and Sinnoh being about mythology
>Tepig’s design starts out with wearing Short Trunks and even has gold on its nose
>Tepig’s front limbs also have Black Hands instead of the Orange feet on its back
>Fenniken has an orange tipped tail that resembles a used broom brussels
>The pale-yellow fur also resembles the Kitsune like it does for Ninetales
>Fennekin will also eat twigs, referencing how it later uses a twig as a wand
>Litten has red rings on its limbs to represent bandages you would find on wrestlers
>Litten also has 2 horizontal lines and 1 vertical line that resembles a corner in a boxing ring
>Litten is also hinted at being a Dark type when it’s described as needing time for trust and basically being a loner
>You could also argue the eyes Litten has resembles bells, often associated with wrestling
For Feucoco, it’s body resembles a pepper already and leaks have told us that it will be Fire/Ghost, which fits Ghost Pepper design extremely well.
Remember when some asshats were convinced the gen 7 starters and legendaries were supposed to be centered around alchemy or some shit? I think Litten was supposed to mean lead, or some moronic shit like that.
Yeah. At least Solgaleo was based partly on that Metal Lion who eats Suns.
Pic related
Very satanic. What were they trying to summon here?
Why were they asshats? They didn't agree with some autistic pokemon theory?
yes and any theory that involves anything esoteric is seen as schizo shit
The Zodiac theory has never claimed to be the primary design inspirations for each mon. It's simply a general rule that works generally. It's the anti-gays that make it seem like the other side is stupid with sentences like "they think a fox is a dog" without even listening to what they're replying to.
>The Zodiac theory has never claimed to be the primary design inspirations for each mon
So how does that work in practice?
If you come up with a design that has no connection to the Chinese Zodiac, that would break the pattern.
If you do come up with a design with no connection to the Zodiac, but gets rejected because it has to fit the Zodiac, then it’s a primary design for the starters.
It makes 0 sense.
Foxes are dogs
By that same logic cows, sheep, goats, antelopes, and buffalo are all the same animal.
Yes, and?
>But guys, there are millions of different kinds of animals
Does that make them each as likely to be chosen to be pokemon? Use your head before you post you third worlder.
There are still hundreds of popular animals and untold amounts of made up fantasy creatures, you dolt. Look at the other starters for reference. You honestly think all Pokémon are the same 5 animals over and over?
Snivy had hints at being a Snake, namely being called the “Grass Snake Pokemon” and having fragile legs.
Not only does Feucoco have defined legs and is called a croco, it would break the bipedal pattern, something that has been more consistant and less coincidental than the Zodiac pattern.
Of course it doesn't look like a snake, because it'll be an ox.
I think one could argue a thin lizard is close enough to a snake, but if it's a clear crocodile or something, it would show that they're departing substantially from the pattern. Of course, 7 out of 9 starters being exact zodiac animals, one being slightly off, and the other noticeably off makes it difficult to both deny the theory outright and difficult to say they follow it seriously. Personally, I think the zodiac is more of a launchpad for inspiration than a "Oh, I need to make exactly this specific species of animal because it's in the zodiac" type of thing.
Shut up shut up shut up
You lost
Get over it
>6 out of 8 fire starters perfectly match the theory with the remaining two deviating a little bit for the sake of better fitting another theme
>y-you lost!!!
lmfao
>inb4 "cyndaquil isn't a rat!!!!"
cyndaquil is featured in the year of the rat poster, confirming it's meant to be a rodent. Cope.
I don't read any posts that use this image because I know it's just going to be moronic coping.
>pangolin and hedgehog
>rat
>shifting the goalpost
>hiding behind cyndaquil argument as usual while conveniently forgets about the original fuecoco topic
lmao my sides like pottery kek
>deviating ‘a little bit’
>completely different species
You’re too far gone
>a rabbit is a rat
The pikachu line are squirrels, which are rodents
How is that an issue, exactly?
Pokemon designs are typically created with their final form first, and then they work backwards from there. This makes sense, because the final form is what you spend the most time with. So why is Typhlosion not a rat at all?
Or shit, look at Delphox. The "foxes are dogs" point would make some sense if it stayed a quadruped like Fennekin, but there's little dog in the final design. Do you genuinely think that anyone looking to communicate the concept of "dog" would draw Delphox? In a series with plenty of fire dogs already?
>Pokemon designs are typically created with their final form first, and then they work backwards from there.
Were. There's almost no proof that this was done after gen 1.
That's because GF is a lot more tight-lipped on how they design Pokemon now, but the few fragments of info we have indicate they still do this. Haxorus & Eelektrik were designed like that. Considering how more cohesive the designs of starters are, they likely do this for them too. Everything about the Fennekin family communicates "witch", not "dog".
>There's almost no proof that this was done after gen 1.
Well, in Gen 2 Quagsire and Sunflora were originally a single-stages, but that's probably what "almost" in your post meant.
I'm sure it varies for each line, but being designed with the final stage first would explain "disappointing" evolutions that seemingly abandon themes they were setting up like Goodra and Coalossal, because in truth they weren't setting up anything.
You can also be sure it's the case for shit like Eelektrik and Klang where their designs are just final-evo but smaller
Zodiac-tier speculation
It's literally been confirmed for Eelektrik nignog
That was the case for Samurott.
>“I started working on the Oshawott design after we’d already decided it was going to be based on an otter. Everybody drew lots of sketches, but we couldn’t come up with any good ideas for an otter’s evolutions. It wouldn’t be very interesting if the evolutions were just bigger otters that stand on two legs.”
>“Well, I’m the type of person who can’t draw without looking at the real thing, so I went to see a live otter exhibit. When I was visiting the otters, there just happened to be a sea lion show nearby, and when I saw how powerful the sea lions look when they move around, I thought ‘they look so strong!’ And that’s how I came up with the concept for Samurott, which I then linked to Oshawott. It was Samurott’s design that came to me first, even before Oshawott.”
That's half-true. Samurott's design was made first but it was already decided that the water starter would be an otter.
>It's only halfway true that they designed Blastoise before Squirtle, because they had already decided on a turtle when they designed Blastoise
This is you
Squirtle wasn't even designed with Blastoise in mind.
They just scrapped Wartortles evo to cut down on the amount of turtle.
No, this is me
>they decided they wanted to do an otter but were having trouble with designs
>artist decided to make the last stage a sea lion then worked from there
It’s an issue because patterns are supposed to be consistent
>The pikachu line are squirrels, which are rodents
They were referring to marill i believe, but also bidoof is in that picture
>Playing Poker
>Have 2d 4h 5h 7s 8h hand
>”What do you mean I don’t win? It’s close enough to a pattern!”
>year of the pangolin
Gotta love the reaches these ""people"" have to come up with. Mustelids still aren't rodents btw.
nani?
>Poços de Caldas
Now that's a stretch as big as the zodiac thing
>Bidoof
>Beavers are rats
Patrat, my favorite rat
>Shrews and hedgehogs are rats because game-freak says they are, even though they are not even in the same order of family.
>>Even though by that logic that Diglett should be a rodent as well because they're based off of moles which are much closer related to shrews and hedgehogs than rats.
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night anon.
Average antizodiac schizo
>One being slightly off
Enlighten me, is this one referring to counting a badger as a mouse, counting a fox as a dog, or counting a cat, the animal specifically barred from the zodiac, as a tiger?
You low elo single digit stupid idiots don't get it do you? It is related to the zodiac in some way or another as long as it's an animal. Why can't you all accept this simple logic? Crocodile? Fine. It's a zodiac animal too. The chinese zodiac aren't the only zodiac in this world. Zodiac lives.
This guy must have inhaled an extremely strong copium. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
You could tell zodiac was bullshit because people would pick and choose which evo form counted
ie, Charmander is not a dragon, but because it evolves into a dragon (not even a chinese one kek) it counts. Meanwhile, Cyandaquil evolves into something very obviously not a "rat", but it starts out at one so it counts I guess
Most Fire starters can be connected to the zodiac simply because Fire makes more sense for a lot of these motifs than Water or Grass. Like if you think of a soccerball themed mon, Fire makes the most sense because sports are hot-blooded and firey and shit. Meanwhile foxes have an association with fire due to the kitsune, so it makes sense that's what Delphox would be.
>tfw I'm a zodiac because I got cells like a zodiac animal
TICK TOCK CCP FRICKERS
It can still be a bull
On first glance looked stupid.
But after a bit it really looks nice. Wish this was true
>bull
Yikes I hope not, the bull starter better be something cool
Zodiac theory is fun, I'll never understand why it gets people so angry
Autists are easily upset by things that don't fit their view perfectly
Are you talking about yourself?
That makes a lot of sense actually, it explains why they say they have to match 1 to 1
Honestly it’s about time. Sticking to the zodiac was too limiting and they were bound to stray from it eventually.
I wonder if these morons can continue their mental gymnastics once Fuecoco's entire line has been fully revealed.
For now, TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
I'm still holding out to see what it becomes.
As long as it's close enough i'm sold. I'm still of the solid belief of the zodiac is, Close enough to fit.
Also you got to think of it from the chink's view of animals and creatures not the western.
Still think it could go to shit.
ウシ目 - n. ushimoku
The bull order. In Japanese, this is all even-toed ungulates. Cows, deer, camels, giraffes, etc.
クジラウシ目 - n. kujiraushimoku
The whale-bull order. In Japanese, this is all cetaceans, so whales and dolphins.
still in the running then, unless he already debunked it
Khu debunked it
>khu
i'll wait until the actual leaker says something
I hate Khu, but you do know this info only lines up with what he said, right?
>just for fun
Everyday, zodiac schizos would find a new way to cope
And you would fricking seethe every time lmfao. I didn't give a shit but the dudes that just fricking hated the theory were always 10x more autistic than the dudes pro it.
more like psychos will be arrested
I have enough self esteem to concede as a Zodiacgay, but I do want to actually see the final form before doing so.
I really don’t see how calling Badgers “Mice” and Crocodiles “Snakes” then “Bulls” is fun.
It's probably more fun than autistically seething at it like most people itt do.
>just for fun
You've been obnoxious c**ts for years. Don't cry now that you get your comeuppance
I think it's a you problem if you get so moronicly triggered over something this trivial.
>trivial
Ok schizo. Gonna screenshot this to btfo you later. Each time you bring up cyndaquil or fennekin, I would remind you that anything you say is trivial, therefore carry zero weight
Is trivial a bigger insult to ESLs than normal people? Kind of an overreaction.
Inb4 it's doesn't LOOK like a snake, it IS a snake
Zodiacgays (aka Patterngays) in a nutshell
We had a good run
>Following a pattern
If you were following a pattern nobody would care. That's the problem. Spamming bullshit and confrontational threads to autistically screech about how you're right doesn't mean you're right or even being victimized when you're told to shut the frick up and go play in the corner. It just means you're an annoying c**t and need to do what you're told.
I never saw anyone be "autistically obnoxious" about the fire starter zodiac before, I only see antizodiacs now being incredibly annoying and autistic about it. You may need help.
>Never saw anyone be autistically obnoxious
You're either new here or don't own a mirror. Either way, not a good look.
>accuses others of being obnoxious when he's the one being obnoxious
Interesting, I wonder if there's anyone stupid enough to fall for it
You just did, moron.
Zodiac is inevitable, no sense being angry about it
>but he nawt look liek snake!!1
Inevitable and unavoidable
I still think its just gonna be that rooster crocodile thing and repeat the chicken. Either that or they dropped it after doing it until gen 8, there's no chance they just coincidentally matched zodiac animals for eight gens straight
Rodents, canines ... it doesn't matter, it's not that specific.
Crocodiles are reptiles just like snakes.
Why a snake..?
Best part of this is that regardless of the evolution, autists will have to wait years for gen 10 to see if they stray further from the Zodiac. If the gen 10 fire starter is a Snake or a Goat, this board will lose it.
New Zodiacgay cope just dropped!!
>I-it's just for fun! You j-just hate f-f-fun!
>HURR DURR
He didn’t pretend to be moronic tho, hes saying the truth. If anything you’re the one frothing at the mouth. Pattern hasn’t been broken yet either. It doesn’t have to be a snake or an ox for the pattern to continue going, it can be a dragon too.
How zods cope with their moronic brains
>before 2010: Typhlosion is a rat
>2013: Fennekin is a dog!
>2016: Litten is a tiger!
>2018: Charizard is a Chinese dragon!
>2020: You are ESL!!!
>2022: Teehee it's just a joke! It was never serious I swear!!!
>>>>>>>>He thinks Litten line aren't tigers
What if the next 3 starters are an ox a goat and a horse (or a giraffe like a qilin)
Wouldn't that mean it's the zodiac with gamefreak taking creative liberties from time to time? Like going with a croc instead of a snake because they think they are both ramping reptiles and that's enough
>it's just a coincidence
Zodiacgays sure are a vocal minority huh?
Mad
If it hasnt been confirmed by khu, I’m taking it with a grain of salt
Why are we blindly trusting some homosexual who posted blurry images
You can ask the same thing about why you guys believe Feucoco will become a snake?
Crocodiles and snakes are almost the same, both are reptiles
Meds
They can reuse animals already used in the pattern and it will still be a pattern.
Fuecoco can be the dragon again for example.
To all the people who believe the Zodiac;
What do you think Feucoco will evolve into WITHOUT thinking about Feucoco being connected to the Chinese Zodiac?
It just gets bigger, so a bigger croc
He's gonna be a bull gator
Bull = Ox
Zodiac bros live agai
>Fuecoco
>Respandrilo
>Antorocha
An alligator is a snake, a badger is a rat, and a fox is a dog