>750k players bought it on release
>That number has dropped by nearly 40% in two months
>Blizzard is currently on their FIFTH "please buy dragonflight with this bonus" promotion already
>Youtube and twitch grifters already realising theres no views in talking about the content and going back to "why WoW is dead, for real?!?" dramaclicks
>Every WoW focussed websites traffic is the lowest its ever been
>raid and M+ participation is plummeting
So Shadowlands was the actual WoW killer all along huh?
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Any proof for any of this, troon?
delete this zivtroony
ok now post m+
Legion was fricking kino, look at that retention.
>BfA was complete shit
>People come back for DL because surely they can't frick up twice in a row right
>they fricked up twice in a row
>player counts absolutely plummet
>DF doesn't regain even half the players SL had at launch
Did people finally learn? Is the cycle finally broken?
Wowbucks finally got broken
>Mr. White... yo.... Im telling you... next... next time they'll... they'll make a great expansion...
>I know, I know, now tell your girlfriend to eat all of the puke....all of it or she can't leave
I'm really surprised they're so fricking stupid to think their garbage writing, empty expansion and moronic ass mobile oriented development would be succesful.
Just do Legion 2.0 and write like you used to, its not hard for frick sake. They deserve the flop
>Just do Legion 2.0
literally BFA you fricking dumb Black person
>write like you used to
TBC was incoherent garbage Wrath was Saturday morning cartoon villain and asspull, Cata was Thrall wank
>mobile oriented development
literal schizoposting
have a nice day
>mobile oriented development
Wasn't there a twitter post of a lead designer that admitted she doesn't even use a computer and does or work for WoW on a tablet?
You're thinking of when it became known that Celestalon(male) played WoW on his computer by using a Wacom drawing tablet instead of a mouse.
He never used a mouse for any game before Overwatch in 2016. He was a Technical Class/Systems Designer for World of Warcraft.
https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/737203778441469952
>Start of DL has less people than the end of WoD
Holy shit.
WoD didnt have m+ you moron
What is the actual source of this graph? Are the numbers accurate?
Probably raider.io and wowprogress
Source? Where are these numbers from?
I've asked but not one single fricker has given a source for any of this data
It's compiled from warcraft logs.
wow so it gained 0 players from the end of sneedowlands
WoW has gone the way of the dodo, it's not culturally relevant anymore.
WoW literally killed itself as prophesied.
Please comeback
JEEEZUS
They killed this game with their lazy push for m+ and CE trannie parsing. A total of 3500 guilds have killed the first boss in mythic vault. That's a total of 70k players.
So I have genuine autism and have decided to go to wowprogress.com and click spam left mouse button till I reach the bottom of the progress table. Keep in mind this data is from 14th January 2023, so over a month since vault opened on 12th December.
This anon isn't lying. Wowprogress records ALL GUILDS from over the world including China, Korea, NA, Europe and Oceania.
There's a total of 17804 guilds that cleared at least 1 boss on normal difficulty, slightly above the chart but again this data is current instead of how many days old the chart is. Even if you assume that every single raid included 40 people (very unlikely) that's a total of 712k players that even dabbled in PVE.
This game is beyond dead.
For comparison, a total of 10823 guilds have cleared a single boss on HC.
This is a moronic way to calculate this, some guilds have 1000 players, some have 1.
Even then I think from personal experience it's safe to assume that the total number of guilds is correct, and the 40 man raid was a super generous and impossibly optimistic way to calculate it as the average group size from my years of hc experience is usually around 25. Yes some guilds do multiple runs, but if you're in a guild that has multiple groups you usually talk about super serious mythic progressing guilds that are a small minority (around 3500 guilds cleared at least 1 mythic boss). Then you have to account for the fact that mythic difficulty only allows 20 players. All in all 700k is the maximum possible number and that's talking out of my ass, it's probably closer to 500k if you talk about average 20-25 man raid.
>All in all 700k is the maximum possible number
Double it for M+.
Double it for PvP.
Then add the casuals who only do LFR/PUG.
Then add the people who play on roleplay servers.
WoW definitely IS dying, but it still has like 2 million players at the absolute minimum.
Then divide that by 5 or 10 because that's the average number of alts a no-life wowbuck that still plays this garbage in 2023 has.
>Game were the average player has minimum 24 alts
>Game where every log in on different alt is counted as unique mau
>2 million
>both things blatantly made up
damn you must be really desperate
Prove those two millions show me the numbers wowbuck.
why dont you prove your claims? Im not the one who said 2m
>I... I ...I ...I... Didididntt m..mm..am..make thise claim
I accrept you concession.
I'm the guy who made the 2 million minimum claim, but I'm not the dude you are arguing with currently. My reasoning for that number is that SL sold 3.7 million copies on the first day and probably reached +5 million total sales.
The M+ numbers for DF are much higher than SL, so logic dictates that there's more players now at this point than there were at the same point in SL. 11.2 million runs vs 3.7 million runs.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-1/all/world/leaderboards/560590#content
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards/185977#content
>sold 3.7 million copies on the first day and probably reached +5 million total sales.
From where do you so confidently pulled up these number?
How many of those are atrual unique account?
>From where do you so confidently pulled up these number?
Because Blizzard announced it to their investors and in public statements about their company and WoW.
WoW hasn't had even a million players since Pandaria, it keeps losing 30% of the player base each expansion and it has been at least 3 expansions since some new blood even paid attention to it.
How can you sell 5 million copies of a dead MMO, what are they doing with their copies? Stockpiling them?
>WoW hasn't had even a million players since Pandaria
I don't know what kind of world you're from, but MoP had 10 million subscribers at launch and 7.5 million at the minimum. Pic related is from back when they were 100% open and transparent about numbers, before they stopped reporting them.
>The drop over time with each expansion since Cata
You just know it's even lower now.
no shit anon, you must be quite the genius
Yeah of course. Legion, BFA, SL and DF have all probably been around ~5 million copies sold, and then after the first 6 months 50% of those players have quit.
>5 million copies sold
No way, they have lost a large chunk of the player base with every single one of those expansions and millenials are too busy playing Fortnite and Amogus to even give WoW the time of day, there's no new blood. Guilds as servers are ghost towns compared to what they once were
Legion - 3.3 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
BFA - 3.4 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
SL - 3.7 million copies sold in the first 24 hours.
DF - No numbers released yet.
Those numbers do not even match the number of players online in games that sold 1/5th of that.
Unless 70% of that is in Chink servers it sounds like Blizzard is just bullshitting their numbers.
Keep in mind that tons of people buy the game, play for 1 month and then quit.
5 fricking expansions doing the same thing while you can literally see your guild list vanish through every expansion and that having no impact in the sales?
Are 99% of WoW players that moronic to fall for the same scam 10 times over?
>10 million players
>in barely 200 servers
/doubt
>deflecting
back up your claims or dilate somewhere else troony
>some have 1.
You mean one player can be on his own guild, join pug and kill a Raid boss, and now his guild counts as one of the ones who killed a boss?
So if a lot of those guilds have 1 player, or fez players, that means there're even less people playing this game.
Yes it does work like this, but it's more common that there are people in the 1000 player leveling guilds that never bother to leave, so a guild that has 200 people pugging is only getting counted as 40 players by this guy. Whereas the players that don't join the leveling guilds aren't even counted by this metric.
>ignoring the fact that the number of guilds who've killed 1st boss in expansion has dropped massively
afaik that doesn't count pugs and a lot of people only raid in pugs
the game is dead yes, but not quite that dead
Yes, pugging is another thing to consider but no way to account for that. Then again, it's fair to assume that the guild count that progress in PVE is a healthy way to reflect on how the total player count has dwindled across expansions. If DF can't muster guild numbers from BFA or SL it's very likely this also reflects number of pugs, pvpers etc.
agreed, but it's pointless to try and get the number of active players from the numbers of guilds that have done raid content
also the raid being released close to christmas might factor into the number a bit, but mostly that's just cope
The popularity of ANYTHING in an MMO is directly tied to its reward structure, implicit or explicit
Normal mode raiding offers frick all of either reward type
M+ population is up higher than before because its rewards are better
Except that's bs because m+ loot has been heavily nerfed since Legion days and not worth doing beyond your weekly vault reward, I've been in a CE at the start of BFA and the whole m+ mentality for entire guild was let's just do the bare minimum to get the weekly reward since +15 gear was weaker than mid tier hc loot. This hasn't changed in DF. M+ is worthless.
>M+ is worthless.
I don't know why you are assuming that everyone who does M+ must also be a raider. There's tons of people who exclusively do M+ and nothing else.
>Except that's bs because m+ loot has been heavily nerfed since Legion days and not worth doing beyond your weekly vault reward
actual fricking moron
>I've been in a CE at the start of BFA
cute larp too bad you made it up
Every good player is farming M+ for concentrated primal infusions to craft 418 gear. Should probably not make your lies to obvious
>A raid group with 20 players kill a raid boss
>24 are from one guild, one guy has his own guild
>it shows as two guilds killing the boss on warcraft logs
>we count 2 guilds as being around 40 people, average 20 people in each group
>in reality, it was just 20 people
So there are even less people raining in this expansion.
the data was from wowprogress, not warcraftlogs
but I'm not sure how they count "guild runs" anyway
>that's a total of 712k players that even dabbled in PVE.
You gotta combine all the people who exclusively do things like M+ and/or PvP and the odd casual people who don't do M+ nor PvP nor raiding, like all the crazies on RP realms.
>inb4 it doesn't count pugs!
>inb4 it doesn't count m+ only trannies!
>inb4 it doesn't count pvpers and lfr turbo casuals!
The point still stands, like
said it's all relative to previous expansions as per
so it's absolutely logical to assume that if current wow has the historically lowest number of PvE guilds this also applies to other groups of players, especially since wow has no endgame other than parsing.
There is LITERALLY a graph in this thread showing the opposite for m+ you moron
youre a genuinely sub 60 IQ waste of space
>especially since wow has no endgame other than parsing
Yes, M+ and PvP doesn't exist.
>dragon tales
>body type-ACK
Doomed from the start really.
rent free
>constantly shoving moronic shit into the industry
>rent free
Rent free like the looming suicide lmao
thanks for proving my point
>t-thanks for p-proving my point!
Oh yea you win this big time LOL
seething
The proof is in the game. Capital cities are dead and silent, zones are barren wastelands, queues can be up to an hour long, LFG is full of bots and boosts, Auction houses are played by the same 3 people, nobody talks in the game at all etc etc
Its fricking over. Accept it.
>Capital cities are dead and silent
why lie about something so easy to disprove
Go on and take screen shots right now.
Valdrakken is packed in literally every server. Why are you lying so hard? You think people have any reason to sit in old cities? You're fricking braindead. T
Screenshot?
No. I refuse. As a Paladin i have something called integrity and WoW will never die as long as i am still logging in getting sweet mounts, armour transmogs and achievements. I am the eternal wall protecting my HOBBY from the haters, anti shills and traitors that left for the Other Game.
For the fricking HORDE my brothers, we will weather this storm and come out stronger, purged of the weak who lacked belief in the Holy Light!
>As a Paladin
>For the fricking HORDE
Horde Horde paladins are almost old enough to post here, dude
em.... akcstually, blood elves are BLOOD KNIGHTS and Tauren paladins are SUNWALKERS... sweetie, please check your lore
You can now do TAUREN paladins, anon. The cows can also be ROGUE and MAGES now
holy fricking cringe
Thanks for making this fricking meme real.
And for proving that this shit ass IP died with WoW Beta
I will never forget the earthshattering mald wowgays and devs had that day when bethesda answered how many workers they had vs what blizzard had in Legion, forums went apeshit that day.
>Actually calling anyone that criticizes WoW, a pozzed game filled with actual trannies, gays, and disabled characters, a "troon".
You're not fooling anyone.
i bought 2 months worth of time
i did a bit of m+, got 1500 score
i leveled characters
i did this and that
game just has no content, really. m+ is old shit and current shit just rehashed. it's overstayed its welcome as a mechanic. i've gotten 4pc tier set that's upgradeable via m+, I didn't even have to touch a raid to get it. what the frick kind of moron shit is that? then the 24th you can actually CRAFT tier sets that can be upgradeable as well. the frick?
>Open your mind young one
>muh content
The game is boring, generic MMORPG trash with no real thought behind it. Lost its charm, no tricks on innovation, same old boring game play that has existed (and arguably in better state) since the game released.
The fact that you bought the game already shows how much of a blizzdrone you are. They game died with Wod and everything afterwards had been carried but what the game once was. Yes even legion was absolutely souless trash
The truth is, the game lost its identity trying to appeal to literal drug addicts with shit for brains. Also, MMOs nowadays kinda struggle to find their place since every single game under the sun is increasingly interconnected which makes the socialization in wow super mundane when it used to be special
>and arguably in better state
classic has completely obliterated this cope
>They game died with Wod
What kind of actual moronic take is this
Name another MMO with a system similar to Mythic+ dungeons, 5 man group content that you can progress continuously until you don't have the skill to push higher.
>other mmos didnt copy m+
>this must mean m+ is GOOD
stockholm syndrome momentas
For people outside the maze we have this better option called "okay, you beat it, not literally play any other game theres like a hundred thousand of them to choose from".
I know this is fricking crazy and counter to the narrative your corpodaddy has taught you about your Brand-God but you can stop playing and play literally anything else. "numbers get bigger" isn't content and in any other genre is seen as a dev too lazy to make proper difficulty sliders.
this is such advanced cope its insane
the entire roguelike genre is built on repeating runs, as are ARPGs
And they are bad genres.
>moving the goal posts
I accept your concession
Arcade games are also built around replay value
>n-nice goalpost move, what about the things literally invented to hoover coins out of pockets with intentionally repetitive design!
God the hits just keep coming, what next you compare it to an iOS game where you collect idol cards? truly a sage ahead of his time. I kneel.
>every other genre hates it
>w-well except not those but THEY DONT COUNT THEYRE BAD ANYWAY
Nobody wants your cinematic games snoy
>b-but the most autistic genres that veer the closest to slot machine bullshit designed to maze habit forming personalities!
Yeah thats proving me wrong alright. Back to your slop hog, maybe you will get the same item with +3 ouchies on it that will make no difference bar a brief jasm of dopamine thats always weaker than the last. Just try to ignore the gacha tier reward structure, surely the vault will drop the SRR you need, just a few more M+ runs of Uldaman or some shit.
That will be 15 dollars a month.
Fricking based.
WoW is a thinly-veiled Skinner box for basement-dwellers.
>WoW is a thinly-veiled Skinner box for basement-dwellers.
But they did a hell of a job in hiding it behind cool characters and half naked women for like 10 years plus.
>cool
night elves were always gay weebshit with their wooden tori gates and pagodas you were just a thirsty teen who never noticed.
>night elves were always gay weebshit
I spat out my milk. Oh my frick i have to clean it now. Frick you very much.
The fun part about roguelikes is that every run is different and you get different builds based on drop RNG. M+ is always the same, the weekly just dictates with what flavor of dildo you get fricked in the ass.
I don't play ARPG's because the endless grind for the perfect item sucks. Also why I stopped playing WoW, incidentally
so nothing else has anything like it and wow is unique in the pve market
>nothing else has anything like it!
Maybe theres a good reason for that bro.
yeah the reason is other games are too shallow to support it
And to be honest I don't know that reason. I really enjoy slamming small group PvE content with my friends and WoW has a total control on that market because of m+. XIV dungeons are guaranteed wins with no risk of failure, I don't think ESO has anything like it either, I'd really really love to see another MMO come up with some kind of group PvE that challenges you and is fun
Try Palace of the Dead or Heaven on High in FFXIV is you want small group PvE content, the new Criteon dungeons too. Guarantee you will die a lot.
homie just play Monster Hunter or a Souls game.
>No other game has imitated this system!
Thats usually a bad sign not a good one. Good ideas get ripped off. Bad ones don't. If nobody is ripping off M+ thats not because its some great challenge to emulate.
Actually New World ripped off M+ for their dungeons.
None come to mind, thankfully.
I haven't played since they added m+ but I wouldn't even what that in nuwow. Doing my badge grind in tbc I had to learn how to do shit like freeze trap two different mobs. Everyone had to learn how to do pulls or manage aggro or CC before without taking all the aggro. All that shit's either gone or automatic now. I want hard 5 mans with tools you gotta learn, not 5 mans that you spam until the dps, tank or healer's gear can't keep up.
M+ single handily ruined gear progression for the average raider. The only thing able to keep the masses playing. The social pressure to grind m+ to solve raid problems via raw stat numbers instead of getting better at the raids was a poison pill.
The game died with Cata, not WoD
>Muh LFD/LFR
The game was decent until WoD with the start of farmville mechanics.
There was a literal farm in MoP you drooling moron
>i've gotten 4pc tier set that's upgradeable via m+
you're a fricking liar or stupidly lucky, you only get m+ tier set parts in the vault.
>didn't even have to touch a raid
I fricking wish. raiding is not really mandatory in theory but in practice it is. getting 4p without raiding is almost impossible this early. hc raid is ~m+10 difficulty equivalent but gives you up to 408 ilvl
meanwhile m+10 gives you 392.
raiding is easy mode free gear
>hc raid is ~m+10 difficulty equivalent
lmao no its not
20s are mythic equivalent (except actually still way easier)
15s are meant to be on par with heroic raid
hc is easy as frick compared to +15. i know that's how it's supposed to be like this but they suck at balancing
no they arent, 15s are an actual fricking joke
Even if the numbers work out to be the same at those points, raids are still harder by virtue of having so many people. Its much easier for 5 people to not frick up than for 20.
shadowlands killed my guild for sure. from 70 active players in bfa and shadowlands launch, to 3 who logged on for dragonflights launch. the talent system is great, but its not content. dragonriding is fun, but its not content. same with professions. blizzard banks way too much on raiding and m+ which honestly it seems that alot of people are sick of because raiding is all one shot mechanics now and m+ is a cesspool.
>crying about m+
shitter alert
what are you talking about?
imagine ur mmo endgame is M+ lmfao
Its the first time nobody, not even the mid 40's "gamerdads" that only play WoW and nothing else, refused to come back. The only comparison i can think of is how twin peaks fans go "oh and these episodes in season 2 were when a bunch of the staff quit so its not really canon and you can skip it to the movie or season 3". Like there is "Warcraft" but thats over and done and this is "the Danuserverse" or something and its not considered canon or the same thing to them and therefore not "real content" and easily skippable. Its odd but they made the worldbuilding and story unrecognisable to the point they actually alienated the warcraft fans which is fricking bananas to lose people with 20 years of sunk cost self mazing.
Well, let's see, we had dogshit advertising I don't even know how many normal people really even knew if Dragonflight was coming out and they definitely have no idea what the frick to expect from it when every advertisement is just a dragon flying around. You can't really extrapolate a meaning to the dragon isles until you actually get in game and find out random a lightning dragon is pissed off she was locked in a cage for a long time.
This xpac is coming after the complete and total shit show that was shadowlands, where it finally made the devs tone down their gigantic egos and make smart changes towards the end because they were in full panic mode.
And that xpac came after BFA which was pretty lackluster and the horde vs alliance thing had already long since run its course. Which again only had good changes towards the very end after they held people hostage from having actual catch up mechanics.
Now they face the consequences since they not only fricked everyone two xpacs in a row but they giga fricked casuals in shadowlands between legendary prices and all the systems ending up killing casuals like everyone said they would since alpha testing. The only people left are people that enjoy hanging out in the game, or people that want to clear "difficult" content when the only difficulty in any MMO comes from the players around you and not the content itself.
>they giga fricked casuals in shadowlands between legendary prices and all the systems ending up killing casuals like everyone said they would since alpha testing
casuals do not need a BiS legendary
casuals do not need to min max their conduits
this autistic b***hing comes exclusively from morons like you
>when the only difficulty in any MMO comes from the players around you and not the content itself
might as well scream "Im dogshit at video games and need to cope"
Legendaries were still way to expensive and this leads into the next point. Casuals are slow and they like to experiment without guides. If you see a gigantic Facebook timer on changing your conduits you're probably going to be a little pissed. If you want to buy a bunch of different legendaries of any quality it's still going to be super expensive and time consuming to farm out the mats. Blizzard acknowledged it months later in a blue post despite knowing it would be a problem way before that point, but they held people hostage for subs until the slow crowd finally found out what the frick was going on.
Also all types of raising guilds for any type of content fall apart because building a team consistent enough to clear the content requires all players to be around and have even one brain cell to live in an encounter. If you have players falling over or failing to show up to raid then you have to constantly either spend weeks training and them or spend weeks recruiting more players only to find out they're also not getting it, until you finally get a dream team that disbands after one patch anyways. The reality is anyone good at the game will move up from shit teams and join guilds that can reliably clear the type of content they wish to clear.
>Legendaries were still way to expensive
no they werent, they were literal BiS items and were easily affordable if you did a small amount of farming
> If you want to buy a bunch of different legendaries of any quality it's still going to be super expensive
No, the lower rank legendary bases were actually dirt cheap because people were making them in bulk
yea months down the road when the higher ilvl pieces released so low ilvl shit tanked hard. But if you weren't on a mega populated realm you were going to pay a shit ton. Even on large pop RP realms you got raped. And then that's another thing, what percentage of the casual base would actually farm out gold? The sepulcher patch was basically the only free money patch for casuals because of the initial Essentia prices and that's if they were there the first few weeks. And because of essentia prices, max ilvl legendaries during the sepulcher patch were at absurd price points. If I had to sell two keys (on A52) to afford my bis max ilvl cloth piece on my alt mage (6 weeks into the patch) imagine what a casual has to go through for their shiny new piece of gear, and on that topic saying casuals do not need a bis legendary is an incredibly reductive argument. Why do casuals not need something that can increase their desire to play the game? Perhaps they happen to want the legendary and don't even know it's their bis, but they make it their goal to get it.
>casuals do not need a BiS legendary
>casuals do not need to min max their conduits
The sad thing is that this is how blizzard thinks.
They don't understand that people want the best they can get for their character, no one is happy with mediocrity.
>They don't understand that people want the best they can get for their character
except this isnt true
If you wanted the best you can get you would be mythic raiding
If you wanted the best you can get the most popular race wouldnt be blood elf
Players do neither, because they dont actually want to min max when it requires a modicum of effort from them, only to be spoonfed bis
Except this is true, based on how people moaned about the legendaries in legion, to name one.
9 out of 10 systems in wow don't require effort, just wasting time.
That's a lot of words just to reaffirm your headcanon about reality, why do Gankerners love doing this? I mean you wrote all that to anonymous people so it's clearly important to you for some reason
One thing I've noticed, wow even up to shadowlands was a very scenic game, even as far as BFA and shadowlands, you can see the giant golden pyramid taking up an entire zone, sinister temple squatting is n a swamp with the red moon overhead and souls drifting towards it, endless gothic crenellations etc. But every image of dragonflight I've been has just been a featureless field. Is there any cool scenery at all?
I think people wanted more Horde Vs Alliance its just that the troony devs made it into another "it was the old gods all along" like they did in MoP. People legit just wanted a good old fashion slugfest vs both factions not some homosexual old god shit.
It got even worse with the jailor since they legitimately went "the jailor is behind everything including the legion" aspect was a bunch of shit.
Imagine thinking you're high IQ when the Black folk legit shit on almost 3 decades worth of lore by literally naming the big bad of all big bads a literal who.
>The jailor was behind the burning legion
Are you joking? You have to be joking right? Tell me you are joking please.
Don't worry they'll retcon someone to be puppeteering the Jailor too soon.
The Jailor sent the dreadlords to convince Sargeras that he needed to start the burning legion.
but anon, sargeras started the legion because void lords were corrupting world souls. jailer doesnt have anything to do with void. are you parroting youtube again?
The Chronicles books have been retconned I am afraid
This is a giant spit on the face tbh I feel like a cuck for buying those shits.
Yeah it was. I fricking loved those books which is what really upsets me. Frick Blizzard and frick WoW.
Why? You're buying they're retconned from a random anon on Ganker?
Yeah, sorry
>I feel like a cuck
That was their intention now go and clean it up now that it's still warn cuckie
feel free to source me on that then. I know they were written from the titans pov but they haven't been retconned in any official capacity. if they were retconned, can you point me to the canon lore that said jailer told the nathrezim to lie to sargeras about the void? even though we saw in game, in canon, void beings infesting world souls?
an update to a cosmology map is a retcon of all the lore? wow. whats the new lore about the void? was cthun retconned? it looks like teh void is right there in your "gotcha' image too, really looking forward to hearing back from you
See
you Blizzard wiener sucking shill
this doesnt explain how the jailer is behidn old gods though. did he make cthun? or whats the lore on that
He predicted their actions and their downfalls, all according to keikaku
no I read that, but if he's behind everything, when did he make the void? or was he not behind the void? im confused
He didnt
All he did was have dreadlords go and rile up Sargeras to start the Legion
wait so was he behind it or not? people here are saying he was behind everything, but he wasn't behind the void? i'm confused cause it seems like the legion would have been made either way. kind of a shit character if things would have happened the same way without him no?
>void exists without jailer
>void corrupts planets without jailer
>sargeras would have seen this either way
is that a good summary? i just can't tell if these guys are shitposting when they say he's behind everything or not
people in here are moronic
hope this helped
>void exists without jailer
>void corrupts planets without jailer
this is true
>sargeras would have seen this either way
this is debatable. We dont have the specifics of Sargeras' fall, but the dreadlords could have egged him on or lied about the severity of corruption
All the other titans are aware of void corruption too but didnt go crazy, just knowing isnt enough, something had to push Sargeras over the line
Pre-TBC there was some involvement of the Eredar but that was retconned when they decided to make the draenei and eredar the same thing so Eredar were no longer originally demons but instead fallen mortals
Watch them make the Titans the bad guys
They are. They're saying the Titans lied to everyone about what they did on Azeroth. The Titans being Order-aligned in the Chronicles-era cosmology, they see it as acceptable to deceive mortals and their creations to uphold Order. Neo-nu-Blizzard is dismantling what's left of classic Metzen Warcraft lore and making its own.
The dreadlords aren't actually demons they're servants of Sire Denathrius, whom he instructed to, and the dreadlords were the ones who told Sargeras about the void lords, so he could corrupt a world soul, which would eventually die and clog the Shadowlands (all according to his master plan)
>He doesn't know
Jesus fricking christ, Daniel, how long have you been off your meds?
Dreadlords have always been behind the legion
The Jailer was behind everything.
Is there a youtube series that tells the whole WoW story? I'm kinda interested because I quit after WoD. Something that's not very short but also a manageable length would be nice, like 1 hour/expansion that covers most of the story including raids.
Nobble tells all the good parts. Doesn't drone on and act like he's telling some masterpiece.
I don't know if anyone has put one together that fits with the revised lore.
I just don't even know why they approved this.
Do you like?
>cringey old man still posting fanfic self insert bullshit on his twitter
Yikes
Current theory is they wanted to one up FFXIV. Because Endwalker was completing a storyline it had been building since 2013.
I wish WoW could had just ended in WotLK and called it a day there. XIV showed how MMOs can actually have a proper storyline, what a great ending.
>ended in WotLK
>implying that would be enough
We both know it was only downhill from there.
Endwalker story fell apart when you get to Elpiss
moron
Frick off it's true you stupid idiot. Time travel in stories that don't feature it as a core concept always are shit.
You don't even understand why time travel is considered bad in stories where it is bad, so it's very clear you wouldn't understand its purpose in Endwalker either.
Ah it's another Venat did nothing wrong the ancients deserved to die poster again
I liked the zone and lore but the plot and deus ex machinas and idiot ball nonsense ruins it for me.
>Zodiark Trancegay
Here we go again
Oh please that shit is cringe and stupid. I don't think the ascians are right and I don't think venat is evil.
That's the part where it gets fantastic. Only slow part is lab 2
of course that was it. Every website was going "holy shit this thing that was a disaster ten years ago is not just great but concluding its major story arc" and wow went "n-nuh.... nuhhhhh... m-mee tooo...." it was pathetic on a level i can only compare to old chris chan videos where hes yelling at the trolls with zero confidence.
We planned it since Warcraft 3!
If this is interesting in any way to you, you never played Warcraft 2-3. Its like a book report assignment done the night before. Conpany is a husk.
>the old gods corrupted sargeras
stopped reading right there
this isnt what happened
It is now.
its not, stop reading imaginary shit you find on Ganker and thinking its real
Sargeras was swayed by dreadlords as he had been since TBC when Metzen retconned it from Eredar corrupting him
>It got even worse with the jailor since they legitimately went "the jailor is behind everything including the legion" aspect was a bunch of shit.
This. Retconning the lore to having someone that we only known of using one of the cast for his agenda, to being behind everything that started the entire Warcraft story has got to be the biggest "frick you" to most of the playerbase.
how is jailer behind the void or the titan stuff? whats jailer have to do with elementals?
>blizzard banks way too much on raiding and m+ which honestly
wow style raiding is unironically outdated game design, most people can't be arsed to schedule when they're allowed to play with 20 other people nowadays
that's why pick up and play type of content like m+ is a lot more popular
Endwalker flopped
Flopped what? It's massive wiener on the table?
NO. NO THAT ISN'T RIGHT. WOW IS THE BIG MEATY wiener. ZIVtroonyS ARE THE TINY ASIAN wiener GAME. YOU ARE WRONG!!
Maybe people just got tired of this after 20 years of doing basically the same thing
have played and pre-ordered every expansion since cataclysm, dragonflight was the only expansion I didn't buy. wow is dead for me.
>hey we can reuse early dungeons by making the numbers bigger and maybe a couple of extra bosses and call it heroic mode
>hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers bigger and splitting it between 10 and 25 man
>hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers bigger and calling it heroic
>hey we can reuse raids by making the numbers scale and call it flex
>hey we can reuse dungeons by sticking a timer on there and call it challenge mode
>hey we can reuse content by adding an extra big number mode on dungeons and raids and call it mythic
>hey we can make this content theoretically stretch infinitely and never need to add new dungeons by making the numbers bigger every time you finish it and call it mythic+
>hey we can reuse old dungeons from past expansions and tacking on our mythic+ bullshit on, which means we can make even less this time
>hey we can slap mythic+ on raids too
>where did everyone go? We have infinite "content"
10.1 will save Dragonflight, meanwhile 6.3 literally killed flopwalker
Just go back to /vg/, your posting style is too obvious
World feels fake and fully disneyficated.
Lgbt fascism everywhere, one single 60 year old voice actor for all female npcs.
You pay 13$ a month, still they have the audacity to timegate everything so you can't progress too fast.
>still they have the audacity to timegate everything so you can't progress too fast.
WOW ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE COMPLAINED IN LEGION AND BFA ABOUT INFINITE GRINDING
You still have to grind though, but now there is a limit so you can't grind too fast.
Listening to normies is never a good business strategy.
>*burps up entire half digested rotisserie chicken* H-Hammers up bros! 11.0 will be #different, things are only just getting started...
>POGGERS
>HAMMERS UP BOOOIIIIIIIISSSS
1.7m TWITCHER VIEWERS ON LAUNCH DAY EZ!
anyone know which private servers are good? i haven't touched an mmo since burning crusade classic launched
Private servers are even more shit than retail.
ascension, mainly because it just lets you do a lot of crazy shit normal wow doesn't let you because of it's classless system and mystic enchants.
server is active too so game is actually alive
WoW lost its cool factor the moment they pandered to the mentally ill. If it's not cool or popular to play a game, then the average normie is not gonna play it. They effectively alienated the majority of their player base for the sake of ESG
Played from mid Vanilla to the first patch of warlords when it was clear they were out of ideas. Gave FFXIV a try since i was a fan of FF long before playing the Warcraft RTS games and was desperate for a good FF during "the decade of lightning" and never went back.
From the outside i've seen my old WoW guild shrink with each expansion and the ones sticking behind only grew more aggro and bitter. The best thing XIV did wasn't make me swap one mmo for another but go "yo when you are bored frick off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere". When you can play an MMO on your terms and not the devs all that stress and bitterness goes with it.
It looks like Shadowlands just brought that bitterness to the point it finally broke the trust limit and people finally decided they were better without WoW in their life than with it.
>yo when you are bored frick off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere
literally just means theres no content
you can leave and come back to WoW easily too, people dont praise the lack of shit to do in any game but slant eye garbage
There's just as much content in WoW. The difference is that WoW punishes you for jumping off the treadmill.
In FF14 you they'll release crafted gear for the newest raid tier every patch, you can use your saved up tomes to buy a set that makes you able to participate in the newest raid tier.
Drop off WoW mid expansion? Pfft, good luck, now you've got to grind several raid tiers if you want to raid, and that's going to be hard as the previous raid tiers are now ghost towns
>Pfft, good luck, now you've got to grind several raid tiers if you want to raid
Just say youve never actually played WoW, dont embarrass yourself by posting this shit
He's right, are you gonna pretend he won't have to grind dailies and m+ for barely start raiding?
And then, weeks and weeks of raiding to actually get geared?
try again without the ESL speak
There has been catchup every single tier since mid-Wrath, you havent had to touch an old tier in over a decade
Maybe if you werent a favela monkey and could actually afford a WoW sub you would know this
NTA but Black person grinding dungeons for weeks to catch up is exactly why those guys are right, stop coping.
It's just not worth grinding boring ass shit to play even more shit raids when every other MMO mogs WoW out of the water. Hell, it's not even worth it to not fall behind either, I don't understand why would anyone be so fricking moronic to still play that garbage outside of sunk costs.
>It's just not worth grinding boring ass shit to play even more shit raids when every other MMO mogs WoW
lmao its so obvious you got benched from big boy content and are coping
No, WoW PvE is still king without contest
explains why all the raiding guilds moved over to XIV.
>yo when you are bored frick off and do literally anything else, we aren't going anywhere
Just like any other game? WoW has been catering to this playstyle for over a decade, every single patch brings a reputation farm which you can complete in under a month, and it takes less than two weeks to get geared up and start mythic raiding. Unless you're socially moronic you can just find and join a guild to progress with when resubbing and just quit when you're bored.
>people are okay with endgame content taking over a month of busywork to even be allowed to attempt
This is incomprehensible to me
They are mazed. Its that simple. They see "oh you had the flu and missed a week of upkeep? sorry you fell behind, better luck next expansion" as a desirable power fantasy because it rewards the "TROO FAN" staying in the maze every week.
Even Destiny isn't that israeli anymore. Fricking DESTINY.
unless you're pushing for world first clears this is absolutely not the case. you can do the bare minimum (weekly hc/m+) runs and still join a mythic raiding guild. you could be an autist and go over the top grinding for very specific upgrades but unless you're pushing for world firsts there's no need to. there's so many catchup mechanics in WoW that it's impossible to fall behind
>tfw people are now apologizing to Shadowlands.
How can you make an expansion so bad that it leads to this.
To all the people saying there's nothing to do with the game, wasn't it the same for all wow expansions? Was the leveling experience the true kino content all along?
WoW's death seems to be coming from a more meta issue. At the heart of it all games are pointless timesinks as we whittle away our finite chemical process called a lifespan.
But modern WoW is making people conscious that they are wasting that time and creating a negative feedback loop.
Is this why XIV threads have been getting pounded by "6.3 was a flop" shitposts?
The usual suspects are kind of shitting themselves. This is the first time WoW has come out the game with a flop expansion release and they are panicking that they are losing the tribal fanboy foreverwar going on inside their shcizo memory palace.
Is the schizo memory palace Ganker or their own heads?
Whats the difference?
I'm not gay, furry or a transvesttie.
Why would i still play WoW when its not made by people like me for people like me anymore?
Honest question. What am i supposed to pay a box price, the biggest sub fee on the market, with a cash shop and the token boost economy horseshit FOR? danusers writing? furry noptism art hires? elder scrolls blades off cut music? 2004 hotbar combat thats been dumbed down to moba levels? talent trees where everyone copy pastes the one numerically superior build? fighting the same insance bosses for 9 months where most people are braindead and rely on addons to tell them WHEN TO MOVE THEIR FRICKING CHARACTER?
What is the selling point for Warlo Wawa in 2023?
The bald grifter still coping by saying it's good, even his chat were calling him out and saying he's high on copium. Yes the same chat that is completely sanitised now because he banned anyone not sucking him off and agreeing with him for the last two years was saying he's coping by saying DragonFlight and WoW is good again.
>His face when McCool said it was "a boring game for furrys now" and he'd rather play GTA rp and Asmon couldn't understand playing a game without a timegated, persistent reward structure.
MAZED.COM
My respect for McCuck went up just a little with him staying true and not sucking up to Asmon and telling him what he wanted to hear but rather what he really thought about the game.
>Dragonriding is the most consistently praised part of the expansion
>It looks like this
Jesus Christ wowgays.
hahahaha oh no no no. WoWbros explain this shit?
I've seen this posted in multiple threads. You morons realize that 1 example doesn't demonstrate a pattern, right? Or are you genuinely that braindead
>video of the game running
>THATS NOT REAL PROOF BECAUSE ...BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY!
Scathing rebuttal buck kun.
What am i seeing here? Why isn't he flying straight up and doing that jerky stupid move?
t. haven't played since BFA.
You aren't supposed to be able to fly straight up. Its more like gliding than actually having free aerial movement like old mounts. But since Blizz can't program for shit, you can cheese it by wiggling like that.
>they copied GW2 wrong
holy shit, you had one job
so you can "jump" through the air to fly upwards?
I've never played WoW so what the frick is the difference between regular flying mounts and dragons?
Why are they acting like this is a special feature when they could have just made a dragon flying mount at any time?
There are hundreds of normal flying dragon mounts. Dragonriding is basically a minigame that you're forced to play to go faster instead of being able to move however you want in the air. It was lifted wholesale from Guild Wars 2.
3 times faster than epic flying if you just fly up then glide to your destination, 4 times faster if you're trying to go fast
For some reason brainlets don't understand that you can just afk glide places.
Normal flying mounts just go in a straight line from A to B at 410%. Dragonriding has things like momentum, weight, etc. where if you use your abilities to fly up into the air and then swoop down(kinda like if you imagine Spiderman swinging on his webs) then you can go 1400% speed. There's also a couple of abilities and a system ala combo points/energy.
However, the system is moronicly broken in the sense that you can literally just flick your mouse straight up into the sky for 0.5 seconds, press your "flap upwards" hotkey instantly and quickly turn your mouse level again, to achieve the same 1400% speed while flying in a straight line. You can keep doing this over and over every 4-5 seconds.
>meanwhile in guild wars 2
The only people who still play WoW are loser Gen X and Millenials with nothing going for them in their lives.
and that's a good thing
Zoomers are overwhelmingly superior to Gen X and Millennial homosexuals.
get back to tiktok, homosexual
I creampied an 18 year old blonde girl yesterday while she was moaning "daddy"
I win you lose.
The only creampie you got was from your uncle
Owned.
It's just a proxy for "strong patriarchal figure impregnating me"
>women fantasize about being beaten and raped and call their partners daddy
What the frick is wrong with women
putting lipstick on your left hand doesn't make it a girl
Pic related was his date.
one day you'll realize having sex is a normal thing and you'll stop being so fricking cringe
>I had SUCH a big sandwich yesterday I bet you're jealous
lmao
Owned.
Yeah call me a virgin again. My girlfriend is sucking my dick RIGHT NOW and you wish you could have this treatment. ooooh yeah it feels good too. If only a virgin like you could know this feeling ...HA! Just knowing that I can frick on demand... Whenever I want.. she’s still blowing me in fact and she has Big boobs! well, what can I say? Just a regular day for me. I can imagine how jealous you must be.
I used to think so but all the mid 40's burnouts and gamer dads i know moved on to FFXIV, Destiny, TESO or survival shit like Valheim. The current mazedbucks all tend to be catababbys now because this was their childhood.
Kind of like people in their late 20's who still buy new Halo games thinking it will be like when they were 8 years old again.
Perhaps. I just know that the people still in my life who are playing WoW are bitter about life because playing WoW for 8 hours a day 365 days a year for the past 10 years landed them in a terrible situation. They're bitter, sad and vindictive.
That would actually explain a lot. If lootboxes and season passes were your childhood even fricking choreghast would seem defendable by comparison. Of course catababbys are the modern WoW defenders.
>all the old people who cant keep up play easier games
lol
>Has 20 add-ons in order to "play".
Mostly zoomers play wow, that's why Valdrakken is empty after 8:00 pm
People realize the time commitment to actually get good with gear and progression. When they can actually just come home from wage cuckin it and play a casual 1 hour match of Warzone 2 or a single player game. Also the great reset is about to begin so people are cutting corners with expenses
I subbed for a month but i hate raidlogging expansions and mythic plus should have died been killed at the end of legion. Also, radier.io has lobotomized the community.
>t. shitter
post your CE or shut the frick up moron
Dragonflight world content has nothing fun or worth doing. Who wants to grind rep just to mog their staff into a shovel? Who wants to spend hours trying to tag invasion mobs? Who actually thinks hunts and the soup event are worth subscribing for? It's all so shallow and pointless. I've already unsubscribed and that's the earliest I ever unsubbed from an expansion.
How about raids and mythic+ with a group of friends. You do have friends, right?
Not him but I don't give a shit about pve. I only want to pvp. Idk where to find people to grow with.
>m+
Nice try Blizzard but you're not tricking me into running the same 8 dungeons for 2 years
It worked for israelite World
Nobody who plays this trash has friends, it’s why you play this diaperfur shit
project harder
Believe it not but there's a lot of people out there who don't play just to raidlog or spam mythics.And there's frick all for them in Dragonflight, which is why this expac will tank harder than WoD.
I have hundreds of gamer friends and none of them play this garbage
If they were my friends I wouldn't let them play this garbage, you don't let your friends smoke crack or date complete prostitutes, right anon?
It's pretty weird considering this was their new approach to the overworld content and yet it's somehow the exact same as all the content in wow. "Be sure to catch these events that happen every two hours and don't miss that window or it's another two hours for you!" They hyper extended a rep grind and pretend it's an improvement when it's not even cross character still. And the end game is the exact same flavor of overtuned but now they're slightly faster at patching everything so they'll be sure to make it baby tier by the .5 patch instead of just before the next raid tier.
>O M G, My futa demiboi genderfluid panomnisexual hebephile dragonking gets to make S00P and its everything!
I hate what WoW has become so, so much.
Remember bros, they're adding a battle pass just like your favourite mobile MMO so you can be happy wasting a week doing chores to get something that could've been implemented as a reward behind a quest or something that makes sense in an MMO
However nowdays? Just skip having a "World" just make it a chore of chorecraft to get your troonysmog and show off to other subhumans.
What garbage, the writers are capeshit subhumans not even Metzen capeshitted that low
Can't wait till they add a WoW premium sub where you can access better rewards from the battle pass
World of Warcraft feels and looks like one of those shit tier Saturday morning Cartoon Network shows made in 2019
What did you guys think of that dwarf tomboy thing with the bright blue mohawk? Disgusting
How am I supposed to care about these characters?
Blizzard deserves to fall
Honestly only did the main quests and the moment I was faced with the opportunity to do side quests for that dyke I tapped F1 and flew to the nearest pvp zone instead.
zivbucks fabricating lies again, Dragonflight is bussin
frfr on God, no cap shit be mad bussin'
Reminder they all wear hair like that to hide male pattern baldness.
>750k players bought it on release
Source?
At least its better than what Overwatch 2 got.
Blizzard is absolutely dead though and i'm fricking tired of everyone pretending it wasn't Activision that killed them.
Now post the current graph where dragonflight has gone right back up
You mean this one?
>M+ graph is the same as raids
as usual anyone who hates WoW is literally moronic, I'd b surprised if you can even tie your shoes
Is there any reason to believe the trends would be significantly different?
probably has something to do with the fact that they literally are
M+ is out performing Shadowlands, objectively.
# normal mode guilds is completely irrelevant.
>WoWgay who call their characters "toons" calling anyone else moronic
why don't you post it?
Where are these graphs coming from?
Blizzard kill Blizzard, not Activision
Why is every single WoW thread either a furry circle-jerk or a dismal string of market projections insisting the game isn't actually dead yet? I've literally not seen in at least two years now a thread from WoW fans who actually are talking about a dungeon they ran or a fun story beat without exclusively mentioning it in comparison to some other MMO's lesser equivalent.
WoW players have spent nearly two decades shitting on all other MMOs and actively attempting to kill interest and conversation for them, and now the shoe is on the other foot so they're at a loss for how to cope.
theres no coping when WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest
sure, dont forget to dilate
>theres no coping when WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest
Jan 24th soon diaperfurry
>WoW still demolishes every other MMO without contest
Yeah I bet, that explains why every server is dead and Blizzard stopped bragging about their numbers 5 expansions ago.
>every server is dead
only in your dreams troony
>Blizzard stopped bragging about their numbers 5 expansions ago
except when last expac was the fastest selling PC game in history
Go take a pic of Orgrimmar right now
>no it has to be in THIS city you have no reason to use
keep trying to move the goal posts
Holy shit
>i-i-i-it's not dead ok
>the players are just hiding elsewhere
>inside my head
So not only a troon but also a schizo
anon you do know that there are other cities, right?
Ones in the current expansion, near all the current content you actually do
Then take a screen of some other capital fricking city. I guarantee you if I go to Limsa, Uldah, and Gridania in turn right now on the lowest pop server I will still see 200/200 models in my player search in all three cities.
lack of content is not a win
lack of players is a big fricking lose though, but we all know WoW died when they had that South Park episode, that was it's peak.
lack of players is only an issue in your asiatic MMO where nobody actually runs content
Players can access content in XIV from any location on the map. I can cross-world raid an Ultimate from the comfort of my FC house just as much as I can next to the NPC that does it. Your "point" means nothing. Show me where this vast 10+ million playerbase is hiding, you complete homosexual.
>my world doesnt matter and we just hop through loading screens
nice """""""""mmo"""""""""""" too bad nobody actually does anything in xiv because it has purposefully dogshit rewards
>Moves the goalposts with literally zero shame
Nice pivot.
>nobody actually does anything
Even as a DPS I don't wait longer than 4 minutes for a queue to pop and any PF group fills up within 20 minutes for any content. I don't know why this lie keeps getting perpetuated by WoWslaves but it's outdated.
>fastest selling
completely meaningless marketing dribble, about as legit as xiv claiming 80 million worldwide players or whatever the frick
>xiv claiming 80 million worldwide players or whatever the frick
If you're going to make shit up, at least make it believable, they've never said 80million you sperg.
can't be arsed to look up the number, that's not the point anyway
you're right they actually said 83 million
thanks for reminding me it was more
No they said 200million, wait 300million, no it was 1488million.
>except when last expac was the fastest selling PC game in history
Your dreams told you? Did they also tell you you're the fairest maiden of the realm too?
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201208005691/en/World-of-Warcraft%C2%AE-Shadowlands-Becomes-Fastest-Selling-PC-Game-of-All-Time
Anon please this is just sad. Im sorry you arent good enough for WoW and that it keeps mogging your favorite shit pile but its time to accept reality
The test of an expansion isn't in the sales, because the only thing driving WoW sales is copium and nostalgia. The test of an expansion is in how many players it retains. How did that work out for Shadowlands?
>Blizzard claims it sold 4 million copies in day one
>there aren't even 400k players in their servers
Hold on, that makes 0 sense, what are they buying them for? Landfill?
Funny how you weren't even allowed to discuss WoW here back in the day
There has literally never once been a period where this is true.
By community consensus, yes
Well WoWgays were a bunch of underage kids, same with Halo fanboys, allowing those threads would mean the average user age of the board would drop by 5 years.
FFXIV is unironically better than WoW now
And this is coming from somebody who HATES FFXIV
>now
It's been better since Stormblood/Shadowbringers
world of warcraft?
more like world of shit
lmao
The problem with wow is that blizzard chose to listen to the tryhard furry trannies instead of the casual straigth larpers.
Its very easy to make content for tryhards. But its very difficult to make a compelling journey that has substance to it.
Game is just a m+ hub nowadays. Hardly a mmorpg
why can Ganker not cope with the fact that dragonflight is doing better than shadowlands?
In what way is it doing better?
Does WoW even have player housing where an individual player can own their own house/ apartment and furnish it however they want?
It's ok guys! Soon you can transmog white gear! WOW IS SAVED
The real problem is that MMOs are crap, Sky from ThatGameCompany was the only MMO that didn't waste my time completely in the last twenty years.
I love when blizzard keeps winning at every turn and Ganker just endlessly seethes.
>winning
It's winning so bad Riot keeps falling upwards.
I hate both companies but holy shit it's fun to watch
>Riot
What did they do this time?
Making shit versions of Steam and Blizzard games, but since they both frick themselves up so hard Riot keep making bank doing delivering shit but with a couple of corn kernels on it. I wish all 3 would just vanish but I'll take what I can get.
even asmon cant keep up the facade much longer.
Blizzard bribed so many streamers and they couldn't even pretend to be interested for more than a day before they started streaming tik tok videos instead.
Geez
yes. it's over and money talks so blizzard will cull all the trannies sooner or later and start making wow realm reborn
Blizzard doesn't even have real developers anymore, it's fricking over.
Nobody even wants to work for Blizzard and get molested by some Bill Cosby impersonator anymore.
Guys, i found this new graph. Holy shit, its real, WoW is dead. Expect f2p in 2 weeks.
It's going to be figuratively f2p as soon as the microsoft deal completes anyways.
Legion was the last expansion that worked. Player retention was much higher. They have dropped the ball 3 expansions in a row now. Allied races could have been cool but they picked the lowest effort races to adapt. I’d probably play every now and then if there was a cool new race to check out.
>tfw never got to play void elf because i couldn't be bothered to spend that much time rep grinding
really wish they just had a quest chain to unlock them
They were based because half the Horde was blood elf, so you could basically chat to both factions in Thallassian. It made camping timeless isle rares fun
Legion only had player retention because the artifact weapon was an obligatory infinite grind.
People fricking hated it and it burned them out. When BfA had a similar infinite grind mechanic people got disgusted and weren't willing to do it again and left.
Legion had retention because we actually had shit to do. Class quests, class halls, all the other shit. It was packed with activity that had meaningful rewards.
>meaningful rewards
but all of the stuff from legion is useless now. not very meaningful if its worthless now lmao
>look mom im trolling on Ganker
The Epic of Alexander ultimate is better than anything WoW has ever did pve wise. The only thing WoW had over XIV is pvp and a open world.
It's funny because DSR is better than TEA in every regard except visuals and music (Alexander as an arena and boss are just godlike) and we still have TOP to come soon. What's Worlo got to leave its audience excited for?
having actual markers for boss attacks allows far better raid design, this is why Wildstar raids were leagues ahead of WoW too.
You dont know how much I miss Wildstar. Imagine a timeline where the developers weren't moronic and made the endgame completely inaccessible for the average human with a job.
It was too hard for the average human as well.
I hate how game design nowadays is dumbing shit down so you can sell it to braindead kids, which explains every modern shooter, WoW and ASShomosexualS success.
>which explains every modern shooter, WoW and ASShomosexualS success.
WoW is harder than any mmo before it moron and has been since like Cata
>wow
>hard
The game is rated T for a reason anon.
Post CE
yeah thats about the only CE you could get
T stands for TESTOSTERONE
Yeah, their mortal enemy
Come back to WoW, anon. Haven't you heard about our new promotion? You get Dragonflight for free if you subscribe for 6 months! Why are you still playing Weeb Fantasy 14?
You need a real woman in your life. You need a strong woman.
You need Toddy.
The frick is that thing?
new story npc in main campaign of dragonflight
Nah I will continue to enjoy actually fun and challenging pve content. Something WoW hasn't had in many many years.
>linear simon says again
lmao
Name those intricate worlo mechanics that aren't just zerg the boss and AoE the adds?
>what is DBM
If it was linear it wouldn't have taken Echo who has several World first in WoW 6 whole fricking months to clear DSR.
Honestly XIV is the only MMO with actually challenging content.
>6 months to clear DSR when you literally only need finesse to clear it
>No lockouts, no timers, no gear walls, just technique, pots, and food
At least they did it blind, gotta commend them for that and not just ragequitting.
>That team discussion on how an Akh Morn works by analyzing their own playthrough
I take back my hostility. That was the cutest sprout thing I've seen an Ultimate raiding group go over.
>6 month meme
back to your discord troony
If you train for 6 months you might be good enough to play XIV in time for the next expansion.
Come on now, leave that dead husks like everyone else.
You can't just call anything you don't like a meme and expect that to magically make the facts go away
ENTER MOMMY
>so people seem to like Ryne
>but we can't insert Ryne into the story right now
>what if we just make a bigger Ryne with bigger breasts
>what a great idea
yes.
I'/m not really seeing a problem here anon
you love to see it
MOGGED.COM
>they keep throwing giant redheads at the players
It isn't fair anon, it just isn't fair to do that
>She will never jerk you off as you lie in her lap and call you her darling sapling and to forget your worries.
MY KING
Is every ff14 cuckold a coomer?
Yes.
Yes.
only for redheads
the funniest thing about this new non-binary character is that they make them turalyon's sidekick throughout the story
They solved the bad content problem with no content.
Remember that they got another company to help the team create more contents for the game?
The Jailor won. He destroyed the game.
It was time to hold the level cap and make BFA, SL, and Dragonflight all the same power level and let players actually do whatever they want.
I last played in early Legion and left because of the artifact weapon grind and class changes.
My friend memed me into playing again saying that everything is good now. I fell for it.
Played for a month. Holy shit the game is fricking garbage now. Class design is creatively bankrupt, it's all just the Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design. I played Warlock and it feels absolutely awful.
Mythic+ dungeon farming is the most degenerate shit I've ever seen. It somehow managed to combine garbage players with elitism and has some of the shittiest attitude I've ever seen in vidya. It's an awful neverending weekly grind with larger grind sessions every time they increase the ilvls. And it gives better gear than fricking heroic raids on a no lockout. Who the frick though that this was a good idea? Even if I ignore everything else M+ is reason alone to never touch this game again.
And the new raid is also some of the most bland shit I've ever seen. Both visually and boss mechanics too, there isn't anything that's fun and stands out.
I've been playing on private servers since then to cleanse my soul of this trash with some good old classic WoW.
>Diablo 3-like resource builder/spender design
classes have built and spent resource since vanilla
newbie. classes in vanilla were rich and nuanced symphonies of design. not like this nu-shit.
>classes in vanilla were rich and nuanced symphonies of design
I remember how rich and nuanced it was to play warlock, spending 90% of your time spamming shadowbolt.
just because you're too stupid to see how part of the depth of vanilla rotations was the difficulty of raids is not my problem. you had to pay attention to all your abilities and talents, as well as the mechanics of the raids themselves back in the day. not like this shit today where DBM pilots the game for you.
>build
>spend
>dbm moves you out of the fire
I'm glad your woke shit wasn't around then when the game was actually challenging and fun.
I thought you were being ironic at first but Im worried that you genuinely believe this
>the difficulty of raids
Yes, it was so hard when every boss had 1-2 mechanics and 3 spells, and nothing else.
>you had to pay attention to all your abilities and talents
No, you didn't. You could do every single raid in the entire game with 50% of the raid AFK or being clickers/keyboard turners, except Naxx. I am 99% sure that you didn't even play back then, considering the dumb shit you are spouting.
Every single modern wow class plays like a Bard from FFXIV. There are no proper rotations or combos and every class is just waiting for procs to light up and press.
thank god wow classes don’t play like the soulless on rails xiv jobs
i sure love pressing the exact same buttons in the exact same order every single pull over and over again with no deviation
Not even Bard, it's moreso Dancer if anything.
Nah, not like this. Look at demonology warlocks, for example. Soul shards are fricking combo points now. Shadowbolt generates one, HoG spends it. It's ridiculous.
>playing a Warlock
Yeah, that's one way to get disgusted with the game.
haven't played retail in almost 8 years now but seeing frost mage so low makes me sad
>seeing frost mage so low makes me sad
Look at arcane though.
It's pretty depressing that we're back to the vanilla design of "yeah we gave you one good raid spec, don't give a frick about the rest of your class" for half of the classes.
1 is better than 0.
This was always the case. Most of my class became unplayable since Legion and we're currently at Legion 4.0 in class design.
you're getting trolled by how the data is visualized. the bottom performing spec is very close to the top performing one in absolute, total numbers. balance is very good in the game right now, ignore people trying to get you riled up with manipulative statistics.
>balance is very good in the game right now
i don't have a good enough reaction image for this
Warlocks have had a top spec for like 10 consecutive years, they honestly deserve and entire expansion where they are trash.
>Shadowbolt generates one, HoG spends it
thats not how combo points work moron, combo points consume all points
Destro and Aff also had the exact same soul shard system in MoP and WoD while Demo had purple warrior rage
But you would actually have to have played the game to know that
It's gonna take me a lot to get back into a paid game again. It's the high seas for me.
Man I would have expected more players than that
Eorzea collection is an opt-in app, so 400k players actually have accounts in that website alone.
I just raid log wrath and tank dungeons for my mom
I don't know what moron decided to increase expansion price by $10 at the worst time ever. Seriously, who the frick thought this was a good idea?
They're milking the addicted beaten housewife syndrome players they have left for what's worth.
They would have made more money if it was $40
It’s over. Move on. You’re middle aged now.
>What happened to WoW
You know what happened. You just don't like it.
I just raid log wrath and tank dungeons for my mom
>coming off of two bad expansions in a row
>very few cool new characters, the important ones are the aspects we've already known and random elemental jobber dragons
>horrible new race that is shackled to a somewhat boring class
>no progression system to get you to log on
>no new spells/abilities
>talent trees are yet another mirage of choice
>overworld feels kind of bad/boring
>zones are boring and uninspired
The literal only thing to do is m+, raid, or pvp. Which people are growing tired of being rehashed. There is also an enormous topic to be discussed of class/raid complexity and players. Classic wow is thriving, and the literal worst ever raid to exist had great numbers. Now ulduar is dropping.
>for some reason 50% of the women sound like men when they talk
Also valid, but I'm trying to explain why the game itself is bad rather than artistic choices.
When leveling up I was actively disgusted how common it was up to a point I almost quit right there, so in this case it does affect the entire game.
>no new spells/abilities
What are you joking? Did no class get a new skill/ability in Dragonflight? What the frick is the point of raising the level cap then?
You don't understand, it was critical that they devote more time to creating LGBTQ+ friendly content, sacrifices had to be made!
when are they gonna do fresh vanilla.
as long as you have friends pretty much any game is enjoyable
the people who play this without any friends i have a hard time understanding
i wish my friends played other games but i guess it’s not that bad
Force woke, go broke.
I‘m trying to play it, mostly i pvp in this game and am pretty good heals…
But this expansion in terms of creative direction is dismal. Every main character is voiced by either a woman reading her toddler a halloween story or some lgbt man, the writing is borderline ESL (tf does fleecepelt mean? why do the centaurs call you “two-foot” when they have 0 feet?), sharp gleaming israeliteels and metal armor art looks like a chinese mobile game from 2008 or actually worse, so far 1 good music track i noticed, dialogue is tame and about “the power of family” and “working together”, boring even for probably 5th grade, playerbase seems kind if depressed too and isolated (RSS took over regular arena), etc.
I’d keep on and play it if there were really *any* interesting story elements or new characters like the venthyr were or literally any hint of personality, but so far this xpac is so bankrupt of any noncorporate energy that I’m probably just going to focus on wagie-ing over it. I guess thanks, pozzard. Maybe.
this is the first expansion i just flat out stopped reading the quest text
i don’t care about any of these people or their motivations
I will berating every npc, the entire time up to 70, like a black man in a movie theater.
I was*
>Dead game
>Dead company
>Dead playerbase
Not even eq crashed this hard and miserably
The order of the games in this image trigger me. It should go WoW -> SC2 -> D3 -> HS -> HotS -> WC3 Reforged -> Diablo Immortal -> OW2 -> D4.
People saw that SL damaged the setting beyond repair, they were then given the all-clear to leave it behind when DF dropped and doesn't even feel like WC anymore
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>Why is nobody buying Dragonflight?
Fool me once, shame on you. (BFA)
Fool me twice, shame on you again. (Shadowlands)
Fool me three times? No, just no. It's over, Blizzard. No more chances. (Dragonflight)
>troony
I want to play FFXIV but none of my friends play it and im terrible at making new friends, which is why i cant get back into raiding/m+ in wow since they frick off a week after the expac drops.
Join a casual FC and just be friendly with them until someone suggests doing content, then gradually redpill them into doing High-End content by doing earlier extremes and savages until they're good enough to do real shit. That's how my FC wound up the way they are.
Talk shit all you want about Dragonflight but daily reminder that 6.3 is worse than 5.3 in every single fricking way it's not even close. If 6.3 is a sign of the future of XIV than it looking pretty damn grim.
Rent free.
>Rent free.
This doesn't work if the guy is right, though.
5.3 was the best patch the game has ever had. That's not an honest comparison to make. 2.3, 3.3, and 4.3 don't hold a candle to 5.3 by any metric either.
no one expected 5.3 to be as good as it was, since 5.2 was dull.
I don't know what Danuser's retcons have done but here is Sargeras's fall as of Chronicles.
That got retconned alongside rest of the book
Well. Shit. At least the artwork looks cool.
proof?
what kind of libtard asks for proof lol. just accept it troon
>"nothing could be so dire as to warrant systemic extinction"
>anyway, then we installed this reset button in Ulduar that is going to wipe the whole planet should it ever get corrupted. Ingenious, isn't it?
i got to lvl cap on my rogue, did some pvp (half epic glad gear), some pve, 1 raid. let the 30 days sub run out.
maybe ill come back next xpac.
dragonflight i rate 6/10. its not complete shit, just meh.
They should really make a new MMO already. Preferably something that resembles as little as possible of WoW.
their new MMO is called diablo 4
that's dumb
arpgs are not mmos
wow is barely an mmo even
Blizzard doesn't have the talent anymore.
everyone from the old devs already left.
They have nothing but twitter trannies and yes guys left. it's over
Riot lead developers say that they are “big fans of WoW”. Kek. There’s no hope
They went and hired the people who ruined WoW too. Hillarious.
Does anyone think Riot is stupid enough to copy a failed system like m+? Maybe they’re actually that moronic and League of Legends was just lightning in a bottle.
If Blizzard is known for polishing and casualizing whatever is popular then selling it to the unwashed masses, Riot just copies whatever shit comes from Blizzard's butthole and pukes on top of it.
So to answer your question, it doesn't matter, Riot still has yet to release a good game.
Blizzard is already in the process of making some pseudo-MMO(think a few hundred players per server ala Ark) survival game.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23768911/create-a-new-universe-with-us
wtf is that helmet+hood, how do you even take that off
Shiny chinesium mirror hanging in the forest not a great sign.
They maybe try a Vermintide clone, but they will ruin it with diversity and lgbt garbage.
This game will be even more dead when China leaves.
>m+ run totals are way higher than they were in shadowlands first weeks
>Valdrakken always full of people
>Always people out in the world doing events
>Dungeon and raid queues only a few minutes long or instant for tank heal
Meanwhile in final fantroony fortee one per cent land:
crickets
Tumbleweed passing by
>They’re anticipating competing with the new Riot MMO by making the WoW universe into…basically a LoL for white californians. That makes real LoL seem about as gritty as duke nuke. Riot will mop them i think.
Hey how come ZIV never announced expansion sales numbers
play FFXIV
I did, I beat the game and unsubbed
standing around limsa and pretending to be a girl isn't my thing
Outside MSQ it's just an ERP dungeon
even jservers cant save the game from its playerbase.
There’s a good reason most people in the world do not socialize like they do in that game.
>off-model fanart
You're no better than the Alexgay
If Yshtola was actually that loose, maybe FF would actually be good. Instead its just homosexual gay shit with Hythlodaeus and Emet Reddit.
I may be in the minority but I actually like how the girls in FFXIV feel more like real characters while still being sexy (while not bawdting it up).
>Dragonsharts big patch is just a battlepass!
DEAD GAME
dragon sex
mental illness
no u
I played it a bit, got to 2300 M+, cleared the raid on heroic and then called it for now. Maye I'll grind my M+ to 2400 for arbitrary reasons but I'm cool with playing different shit till season 2 now.