Am I going crazy?

I clearly remember GTA IV being shit.
I clearly remember everyone RECOGNIZING that GTA IV is shit.
I clearly remember how fucking ridiculous it felt when game journos heaped 10/10s and AAA+ and GOTY awards on that clunkly, slow, boring, brown, gloomy-bloomy piece of shit. It was a perfect, commonly-cited example of how professional reviewers cannot be trusted.

But now suddenly there are people who call it a "classic"? Who claim it's better than GTA V, San Andreas or Vice City?
When the fuck did this transition happen? Where did these people even come from?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We were wrong.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you forgot the pc port disaster

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember it running better on my 8800GT than it does on my 6700XT. I think there was some specific patch that absolutely raped performance for some reason.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. It fucking ran like shit even on what were top tier rigs at the time. Fuck rockstar.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        rockstar clearly learnt from their mistakes because gta v is optimized to near perfection

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like fuck it is, devs talked about how shit the code is on a base level and anything they try fixing breaks a ton of things so they only slap new shit on top. In terms of performance they knocked it out of the ball park, coding for gameplay though is dogshit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only in story mode.
          6 will run like crap, they're testing it using RTX 2080s per the leaks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By the time 6 comes out 2080 will be considered low-mid range in power.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not the biggest lie I've read here today (that goes to snoys claiming ps5 is outselling ps4 and switch) but it is a huge lie.
          Sure, the game runs alright. That is until you go to the middle of the map. Then even my fucking 4090 gets frame drops.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >run gta iv on linux via proton
      >it runs fucking perfectly unlike windows
      i dont get it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying cockstar optimized for consoles

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ran on my machine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To get it to not crash during certain cutscenes you literally need to force your processor to run on a single core.

      The game is just really picky for period correct hardware. Weirdly, I had no issues and needed no fixes for the dlc. Base game needed some witchcraft tho

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are not crazy.
    What happen is, people that are old enough to have nostalgia for IV are old enough to post things like
    >there are people that are nostalgic about GTAV, MW3, etc.
    These people think they are boomers because they don't want to be associated with zoomers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey MW3 is worthy of nostalgia

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MW3 will always stand for MechWarrior 3 and it is perfectly fine to feel nostalgic for that old game

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's because you're hearing the opinions of people who grew up on GTA IV, they're now old enough to properly voice their thoughts and opinions on the game and be taken seriously. Nothing has changed, you're just now getting a different crowds perspective. There's your answer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and be taken seriously

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well yeah I don't think I'd take notice if someone who was like 10 told me a game was good but when a dude in his 20s tells me a game is good I actually may consider his opinion because he has enough of a brain to properly form one.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The dude in his 20s is judging the same with the same rigor as the 10 year old. Not only because he's a retard blinded by nostalgia due to his lasting impression of it being formed when he played it at 10 years old, but also because he spent his formative years growing up on the shittiest console generation in all of gaming history. As far as I'm concerned 7th gen kiddies are permanently underage, mentally stunted retards and I'd sooner value the opinion of an 8th gen zoomers than these subhumans.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >N-not only because he's a ret-retard
            Fallacy speedrun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This plus OP is exaggerating the response. People criticized it for being too dour, for having the NIKO LETS BOWLING thing, and it started a whole LUDONARRATIVE DISSONANCE conversation for taking it's characters and stories so seriously despite the wacky murder hijinks the player was probably doing between missions, but no one was calling it "shit". The graphics were terrific, people liked the story and characters, the detailed world was impressive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GTA 4 remains my favorite video game for murdering people alone.

      I have put 100000 hours into GTA 4 just shooting people and playing with the ragdoll.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's like the Star Wars prequels.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, and like the Prequels, the initial wave of hate was from people who completely missed the point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you will always be a proto-zoomer

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Welcome to being slightly old, OP.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember everyone RECOGNIZING that GTA IV is shit.
    >I clearly remember how fucking ridiculous it felt when game journos heaped 10/10s
    what zero brain cells does to a mf

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      game journalists aren't real people

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was relatively more realistic and down to earth than the previous entries

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >more realistic
      That was the common excuse for it being a slow and unfun piece of shit, yes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry you couldn't enjoy it, Pablo.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember that too, but I remember I still enjoyed it regardless of what all of those gays said.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally zoomers. A lot of kids' whose first GTA game was IV are now grown up and their vision is completely obstructed by nostalgia.
    In reality it is easily the worst out of the new generation of GTA games. It's a good example of how people young enough to not have any memory of the industy before gen 7 are permanently taste crippled.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's literally zoomers.
      Zoomers were playing GTA SA when it came out in 2004, gay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damn, where were your parents? Most of them weren't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The oldest zoomers were 7 years old at the time, while half of that cohort wasn't even born yet.

          >The oldest zoomers were 7 years old at the time
          Before the Wii, there was the PS2. Everyone and their mother owned it, children in 2004 were getting hyped as fuck for GTA SA.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In video games "zoomers" are defined as the people whose childhood console was the Wii, Xbox 360 or PS3.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was all the rage with middle school kids, but very few parents would get their preschool or 1st grade kid a GTA game.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was 10 when GTA IV came out, and I’d played every other game in the series prior to that. Honestly, IV blew my mind at the time with its more realistic approach. The ability to hail taxis alone gave me hours of entertainment.

              Remembering what me and my friends were saying about GTA as kids, we always dreamed about the series becoming more of a life/ roleplaying sim, and IV was definitely a step in that direction.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we always dreamed about the series becoming more of a life/ roleplaying sim,
                "why yes I am a massive gay! Would you like to see my dark RP gmod server and furry collection?"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The oldest zoomers were 7 years old at the time, while half of that cohort wasn't even born yet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The minimum age at which you can actually appreciate a more complex experience is 9-12. Those are the years you grow up being most nostalgic for.
        In 2004, 9-12 year olds were born in 1992-1995. Clearly outside "zoomer" range.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I played time splitters at the age of six. Your OPINION is incorrect and retarded. Cope.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Zoomers were playing GTA SA when it came out in 2004
        Only the very oldest ones. Half of them weren't even born yet.
        I was born in '97, my uncle had Vice City back in 2004 and he only allowed me to play during the helicopter sections. My actual first GTA was Vice City Stories in 2009.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he only allowed me to play during the helicopter sections.
          Adorable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        can confirm. plus SR 2.
        >member the cheat codes?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol this is bullshit as it does not nearly apply to all people praising IV. I'm 29 and think IV is the best one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look anons, a retard

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          go buy some shark cards fucking petulant child

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice projecting there, gay. I'm not the one wow'd by gay realism.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nice projecting there, gay. I'm not the gay zoomer with shit taste

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes you are

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Old man here. I was 20 when IV came out. It was kino then and still is, featuring one of the greatest open world cities.

      Back in 2008, it was kids that cried about how the game sucked because of no jetpacks and shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was one of those kids, I guess. But it wasn't about the jetpacks. Actually, I thought the cheats in GTA IV were really cool. It was just way too different to me in contrast of the other GTAs. It felt like a different game. And I didn't like that. Also I was filtered by the driving

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And all those kids then turned to Saints Row 2 for all that stuff.
        Jokes on them though, Saints Row went to shit after 3 and is currently in a dogpile of rancid turd.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OR maybe you weren't mature enough to appreciate it at the time.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone
    No, that part is wrong. GTA4 always had fans and there was plenty of debate over whether certain things about it were good or not. But yes I remember a LOT of hating on it.

    In general, fans who like a thing will talk about it longer than haters (because they're still playing it and enjoying it), so loud negative opinions tend to drop off over time. But I also think a lot of people realized that fun physics count for a LOT in a GTA game and a lot of people became willing to forgive 4's flaws because at least the physics give you a system that's dynamic and fun to experiment with.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But now suddenly there are people who call it a "classic"? Who claim it's better than GTA V, San Andreas or Vice City?
    Almost got me.

    There is nothing good about GTA V it's such a downgrade in every aspect

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really like GTA V either and I've never even finished it, but I still found it more fun and less visually boring than IV.
      I didn't enjoy it but I can RECOGNIZE how someone ELSE might enjoy it. The same can't be said for Boring New York Life Simulator: Brown and Bloom Edition.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love how detailed GTA IV city is, it's just fun to run around, find stuff and fuck around with the NPCs with the funny physics, they also have a few different personalities and interact with each other as well so you can get them to fight each other and call the cops on them etc.
        The wanted system is also the best in any GTA game so far and it was completely ruined in GTA V, along with the world which is only made pretty much to be driven through. The forests are completely empty and there is no reason to ever go out into the wilds in V which is a big shame since so much of the map is not Los Santos so basically just empty wasted space even if it's a good change of scenery. But the wanted system is so dumb in GTA V and ruins any fun you can have since the cops just know where you are all the time and shoot on sight

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The wanted system is also the best in any GTA game
          Cops will literally just stop chasing you if you drive fast enough in a straight line. It's the WORST system by far.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's the WORST system by far.
            The worst system was the 3D era.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my idea of fun in a GTA game is not to drive across the island with police spawning around me and chasing me everywhere when I run over a few Black folks. I don't want to spend 10 minutes every time to get away from the police. I want to have fun and commit crimes, not having to deal with the consequences for the rest of my play session.

            At least in IV you can hide from the cops within the wanted area and switch cars and drive away unless you go right next to police.

            In V if you get even 1 star you can go hide on top a building and the police will just randomly pull over and get up the ladders on the roof just because you are there, you can't hide from them because they know you are there even if they can't see you. They will just wait there until they see you

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds like the real problem here is that you're a bitch.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What V's cop system is supposed to be is cops search the last area they saw you. Instead, they know exactly where you are at all times and will go to the exact bush you're hiding and find you every single time if ANY cop manages to reach your hiding. I don't wanna climb mountains every time I get a 3 star.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                exactly, at least in IV you know where they are going to look for you, you know if you see a police car that it's on it's way to the wanted area so you can just slow down and let them pass and be sneaky and stealthy.

                In GTA V you just blast away and try to destroy all the cops so that there is nothing left to see you and then you drive as fast as you can and hope do police car spawns in front of you or you spend the next 5 minutes shooting down helicopters in the wilderness again

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They really needed to combine the systems. You can lose cops via V's way (in IV it was impossible while you were in the circle iirc), but have it so cops can aggressively search and be anywhere while you're in the circle, while leaving it effectively makes losing the level smooth sailing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            GTA 5's cops are by far worse as they don't need direct line of sight to "spot you" still. What's that? A mountain lion saw you kill some grandma? 1 star wanted level fucko

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This was one of the dumbest things in V. Why the fuck did they remove all police during free roam? Aside of some random bike cop and in front of the police stations, cops only appear during a wanted. I noticed recently when playing V they seemed to have added more police but still... Playing SA and IV there are actually officers roaming around. Feels much more immersive.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Cops will literally just stop chasing you if you drive fast enough in a straight line.
            So, same as any other GTA?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kino

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, I remember when this trailer crashed R*'s website for hours on release and the graphics were seen as absolutely mind-blowing
      Now it's just average, even kinda bad

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But now suddenly there are people who call it a "classic"? Who claim it's better than GTA V, San Andreas or Vice City?
    No one says that. Where the fuck did you get that?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You see it in GTA threads nowadays.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When the fuck did this transition happen? Where did these people even come from?
    Everyone replayed IV after Rockstar did nothing but release shit for Online and realized that IV is lean as fuck and has good characters and plot, and holds up better than V and SA.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > holds up better than V
      I'm a boomer-millennial and I like V more than IV, but less than III era games.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    E-celebs came out to trash GTAV and Trevor a few years prior and then claimed that GTAIV was an unsung masterpiece and was able to get it to Internet cult classic phase similar to FFVI and MM.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >i read posts that helped confirm my bias
    >then i disregarded how the others felt
    it's neither shit or the best game ever
    I like it. others like it. that does not make it perfect, and that does not make it dogshit either.
    Learn to actually think, and consider different perspectives on reality/issues. wake up, anon. we are waiting.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, I was young and foolish too. Everyone wanted more San Andreas including me. And eventually games came out that scratched that itch (Like Saints Row 2). I now look back at GTA IV fondly and see it for what it is: A pretty good game that did something a little different.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's what makes IV better than SA in the long run; it trims the fat that wasn't needed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you retarded? IV was nothing but fat

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao no

          Like what fat?

          The stats.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like what fat?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was shit. And V is great. People have just turned into gays

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA fans have less than 80IQ, they forget things after a certain time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      perhaps only more retarded fanbase is fifa and cod players

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gta 4 was only shit on pc it still has the infamous helicopter glitch on the last mission that makes the game impossible to complete and don’t forgot the abysmal flying controls

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's better than V and it's a shame that you were too young to play IV when it came out 🙂

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the fuck up gay. My "childhood GTA" was Vice City, first "real" game was SA. But even if I didn't like V, it's still clearly less of a slog than IV.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh man that's a bummer, I hope you can get over this

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the only reason Ganker sucks this game's dick is because an eceleb made a video about it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the only reason Ganker sucks this game's dick is because an eceleb made a video about it
      I thought IV was great in 2008 and I still think it is, chud.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't even know ecelebs exist if I didn't see them mentioned on this board constantly

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What always gets me is when people defend IV's driving physics nowadays. They're fun once you get the hang of them but every car shouldn't drive like its shocks are 20 years old. There's way too much body roll.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you completely lost it when you implied V is better than IV. V is a movie with zoomer tier gameplay, basically none.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its the "Halo 4" effect, OP. Things declared shit at their release time, are now considered classics in comparison with recent things.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Halo 4
      I think the ENTIRE Halo series is subject to this effect. Every single one becomes "good" in comparison to the next one.
      Halo 3 was shit on release (and basically just grist for the console war), but now it's a classic.
      Halo 2 was also a shitty bloated rehash, but people remember it fondly as the last Halo "real game".
      I can think of no other series other than maybe Call of Duty that had such a consistent, release-after-release drop in quality and soul. And just like CoD, the fucking ORIGINAL GAME was a bad experiment that cemented some of the worst trends the industry has ever seen. Halo singlehandedly ended the FPS golden age by the transition to consoles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Halo 2 was also a shitty bloated rehash, but people remember it fondly as the last Halo "real game".
        You WOT m8?

        The biggest complaints of H2 was the no health shield and weapon balance in multiplayer at launch. Everything else was pretty much a direct upgrade in the multiplayer aspect. Single player was still kinda weird.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I only play singleplayer

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember GTA IV being shit.
    At launch it was a buggy mess
    Frames were also tied weirdly to the physics meaning lower frames got cars to be completely jank
    PS3 had insane frame issues
    PC was a crashing bugfest
    Online matchmaking had absolutely shit netcode at launch on all platforms

    4 is still pretty lack luster by itself most people remember the expansions more than the main game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4 is still pretty lack luster by itself most people remember the expansions more than the main game.
      4's gritty slav roots are loved in the same way GTA 3's early 2000s aesthetic is loved.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GTA 4's russkie shit got old fast, outside the initial meme's people stopped caring. GTA4 had legit launch issues making it barely playable on anything minus the X360 for a while. The PS3 performance was so fucking garbage for the first few months after launch I legit remember just turning it off till patches came through.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >GTA 4's russkie shit got old fast, outside the initial meme's people stopped caring.
          They really didn't considering. Bring it up and people will talk about how cool Niko was.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've always loved IV. It's always been one of my favourites along with VC and I've always thought it was better than SA. Whether everyone else has changed their minds, I haven't noticed.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked GTA4 a lot when it was brand new. Still liked it when 5 came out. And I still like it now.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the simple answer is this: GTAIV is the most replayable and that it why its reputation has improved over time. its often criticized for its lack of mission variety, but the missions themselves still play better than the other games. meanwhile go back and try and play through SA again and a lot of the missions are drags. once the novelty of the higher variety wears off, the missions in the earlier games just arent fun to play through again

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why Ganker sucks off SA is because they're consolebabies and had to make the most of what little good they had

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of you fags were wrong. I was already arguing with your kind back in 2009. There were some fair complaints, how it lacked certain things compared to San Andreas, but aside of that it was always a groundbreaking masterpiece. Booting it up and marvelling at the physics of it was incredible; nothing like that had ever been done on that level before.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >le physics
      I don't know buddy, running over a poor grandma and seeing her realistically roll over and die from shattered ribs and a skull fracture may be "groundbreaking" in 2008, but it still feels less viscerally satisfying than the Saints Row approach of shooting people into space.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uh, yeah maybe if you're a zoomer with shit taste, sure.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People were comparing GTA IV to San Andreas when it was never trying to be San Andreas.

    People came to appreciate it as a grounded crime sim. It also has a lot in common with GTA III, which people like.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >grounded
      I get what you're trying to say, and I agree, but something about calling a GTA game "grounded" feels wrong.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was a downgrade from the masterpiece that was GTA SA but it wasn't bad
    PC port was atrocious though

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vice City is my favourite GTA, but IV is a close second.

    San Andreas is overrated as fuck. Yes, the scope and the sheer amount of content they crammed into it is impressive, but most of that content wasn’t that great and it also has god awful pacing and it introduced scripted missions to the series.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When the fuck did this transition happen?
    3-4 years after v came out

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IV was shit. It had a great story and that was it. Coming from SA that had a ton of side things to do to IV that had you killing pigeons was a huge set back. The final nail in the coffin was V wasn't much better than SA in terms of side activities. The driving was downgraded from IV's nearly perfect driving because "muh online mode". Modifications to vehicles was dogshit and still dog shit, i mean why can't i fucking save a police car in my garage and modify it at the shop? Why can't i pull the waste gate line on a dump trunk and send that bitch to the moon through an intersection. Apparently the retarded artists at R* stop us from doing a ton of different clothing options because "muh clipping issues" when most the shit clips anyways. The list is endless, its at the point where they keep slapping bandaids on things instead of actually fixing the base of it. Why the fuck does it take me over a minute to deliver my car to me online and why can i only deliver a vehicle every 5 minutes to me? Its fucking retarded how backwards V went from IV and IV was already a step back from SA.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Coming from SA that had a ton of side things to do to IV that had you killing pigeons was a huge set back.
      The side content of SA sucked too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol wut
        >taxi nitro upgrade
        >double health upgrade
        >fire immunity
        >better armor
        >rare cars

        the side missions at least had decent rewards and didn't take all that long to get the bonuses.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The upgrades were fine but getting them was not fun at all. Did anyone actually have fun with playing vigilante with the dog shit police cars? Or the ambulance missions? I did those in small isolated towns just to make it bearable.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody actually has fun doing that tedious shit. But still I'm glad it's in the games at least.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >But still I'm glad it's in the games at least.
              Yeah, but they still suck. Outside of the perks, I really don't think they were fun. In a better world, you could get them through missions over minigames.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Did anyone actually have fun with playing vigilante with the dog shit police cars?
            You know I am talking about SA right? You use a bike, blast bros with your tec-9, ez. Not to mention finishing the driving school side mission makes all cars a breeze to beat any vehicle side mission

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody actually has fun doing that tedious shit. But still I'm glad it's in the games at least.

            I had fun roleplaying as a taxi driver, cop and ambulance guy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The vigilante missions sucked in every game except IV, which was great. I loved cruising around in my FIB Buffalo, responding to random crimes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              One thing I love about IV is that I does a good job of making you feel like a hitman. Most of the missions involve you whacking crooks for mob bosses or glowies and it felt really good to do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >One thing I love about IV is that I does a good job of making you feel like a hitman.

                I never got that because of the janky physics, weird way characters would always get stuck on something stupid, or actually just run into traffic get hit by a car and die. The amount of times I feel like I actually did the mission the game wanted it to be done was so few and far between.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He didn't do the vigilante missions in a stolen Hunter attack helicopter
            I stole one from the airfield missions and I would carefully shimmy it out of the plane garage whenever I wanted to run that mission.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anon discovers transition of time and nostalgia

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >come from SA
    >GTA 4 multiplayer is dogshit compared to SA PC multiplayer mod
    >jank ass physics with the cars handling like pure ass
    >Niko felt like he was running with pants full of shit
    >missions are pretty much all forgettable
    >forced social aspect of the game is so much more annoying than it is rewarding
    >secrets/bonus shit from previous games either straight up cut from the game or not worth the effort

    I liked the concept of where they were going but it's a chore to play vanilla. Probably the only modern GTA game I haven't finished minus the PSP ones

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As shit as it was it had impressive TECHNOLOGY which was recognized at the time and it's a shame they threw it all away with the next game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Old man here. I was 20 when IV came out. It was kino then and still is, featuring one of the greatest open world cities.

      Back in 2008, it was kids that cried about how the game sucked because of no jetpacks and shit.

      Honestly, I’ll take better combat and physics over meme shit like jetpacks.

      IV still has the best moment-to-moment gameplay in the series.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd rather have memorable missions and fun than "You can surf da web in an internet cafe! LOL! STONKS!!!!"

        Jet pack at least had a sense of reward when you got it and was fun to dick around with. The only memorable thing I can think of that I would want to go do in IV would be dick around on the swing set... and uhh that's about where I run out of interesting shit to do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think you mean Vice City you tripple moron.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          VC is good, but still has some jank.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            VC is good but damn is it short, I seriously forgot how few missions there are in that game

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I feel its short length is actually one of its biggest strengths.

              Most GTA games have “that part” of the main story where shit is overly dragged out with filler missions. As solid as IV’s overall story is, there are parts like the Bernie missions which are just a complete slog. VC gets straight to the point and has a much tighter narrative focus because of it. They even make the Phil Cassidy, Love Fist, Cuban and Haitian arcs optional to improve the flow of the main story.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Phil Cassidy may be optional but I'll be damned if I'm not going to hang out with the best character in the series.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its the setting, atmosphere, characters, music etc that make the game one of my favourites to this day, but the gameplay is rough. I loved the realistic physics of IV and the immersion, and while V was a step back in some regards, I'd still put it at the top for general all round gameplay. My top 3.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My issue with TECHNOLOGY in 4 was that it was trying so fucking hard to showcase TECHNOLOGY without adding much to the game. Okay cool body reactions to being shot and stuff, oh okay trash is intractable, or cars can be twisted into scrap. Was a cool but it obviously had severe negative affects when running it on a console that only hurt the experience.

      I'd rather have consistent frames without lag than going "Whoaa I can pick up a hot dog and throw it..."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only autists care about getting 60+ fps at all time, i'll take frame drops and a much more interactable world over the opposite

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its called the Zelda Cycle and it applies for all game franchises.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I KNEW it was 9/10. One before 9/11

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because you are no longer in school circlejerking moron's first GTA with all the other niglets

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember the PC port was a disaster and indeed there was some contention around the game but I also remember loving the game. I don't remember the game being widely hated at all, back then I remember going to forums and shit to talk about it and most people were enthusiastic. You're right that after GTA V came out, IV has been retroactively turned into a magic masterpiece with literally no flaws. This is typical contrarian behavior, you can see it with other games as well, like with (original) Nier and with Automata.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember the GTA IV PC release being an optimized, buggy POS. I'm guessing the modern experience got better either due to patches or hardware improvements over the years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nope! IV still runs like garbage on PC, but at least hardware can brute force it nowadays into something playable.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA and IV are on the same level. Great games.
    5 on the other hand is a steaming heap of shit, it does nothing either SA or IV or both did better

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't like it that's for sure. Niko is a good character and so are some of the NPCs but the ice skating driving mechanics, the brown hue the entire world has, the lack of just silly fun and poor radio stations made me just finish it once and never touch it again. I never even finished L&D and BOGT despite everyone saying it's better than the base game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and poor radio stations
      Oh fuck I completely forgot how shit the radio went to after SA, it went from fitting a specific tone the game was going for to "how do you do fellow kids, you like this new age spin on music". Maybe that's the boomer in me but I couldn't seriously listen to any station outside talk radio whenever I picked up 4 or 5

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        could just be the wrong era in which it played. VC and SA had GOAT music but that's because music from those times are just really good.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Oh fuck I completely forgot how shit the radio went to after SA, it went from fitting a specific tone the game was going for to "how do you do fellow kids, you like this new age spin on music".
        This is the taste of a midwit. GTA SA was a greatest hits compilation. Why do you think K-Rose is so memorable? Because it had character and not "OMG ITS LE HECKIN GRUNGE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This is the taste of a midwit.
          GTA pre 4 all had the sound track representing the location and tone of said location to make it feel right. GTA 4's just so completely off center from what the tone of the MC+cast was that it just kind feels meh. GTA 5 is a fair bit better than 4, but holy shit 4's radio is just awful unless you load custom tracks.

          could just be the wrong era in which it played. VC and SA had GOAT music but that's because music from those times are just really good.

          I think it just played into the overall atmosphere the game was setting for the player.

          >it went from fitting a specific tone the game was going for to "how do you do fellow kids, you like this new age spin on music".
          What did she mean by this? Hearing Kanye and Dre on the radio was pretty normal.

          >moron rap station
          into the trash it goes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >GTA pre 4 all had the sound track representing the location and tone of said location to make it feel right.
            It did tho. Do you not remember what was actually popular in 2008? Do you not remember the atmosphere of New York 2007-8?
            >GTA 4's just so completely off center from what the tone of the MC+cast was that it just kind feels meh.
            Yeah no dude, that's just your gayry at work. Even GTA SA's themes didn't work by the setting as well as IV did. VC was the same thing too. A gangbanger who doesn't want to sell crack? In 1992? Yeah get the fuck out of here.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Do you not remember the atmosphere of New York 2007-8?
              yes I was in HS during the time, the radio was still largely shit to the point it was better to attempt and get some humor from the talk radio/liberty station thing than it was the amount of crap in GTA IV's mixing. Didn't help that on PS3 the radio would never shuffle songs properly

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So was I, I actually hung out in New York with friends from NJ, and IV got the tone just right. SAfags will never know how accurate SA's themes are because they were swimming in their dads balls long after 1992.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it went from fitting a specific tone the game was going for to "how do you do fellow kids, you like this new age spin on music".
        What did she mean by this? Hearing Kanye and Dre on the radio was pretty normal.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and poor radio stations
      Oh fuck I completely forgot how shit the radio went to after SA, it went from fitting a specific tone the game was going for to "how do you do fellow kids, you like this new age spin on music". Maybe that's the boomer in me but I couldn't seriously listen to any station outside talk radio whenever I picked up 4 or 5

      GTA IV talk radio was easily the best.Although JB Smoov was good in V.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember everyone RECOGNIZING that GTA IV is shit.

    You're either retarded or a larping zoomer.

    The game was critically acclaimed when it came out. Hell, the euphoria physics engine it induced to the world is state of the art even today. Everyone recognized the game for what it is.

    The GTA 4 "hate" came later after the newness wore off and some people realized they had more fun with GTA SA.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's simple Liberty City is a better sandbox than Los Santos and the desert. Also all the cut interiors make LS feel barren as fuck. Mods in GTA IV make it superior too

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody like it when it came out and everyone hated it. We all go back to San Andreas and laught at 4

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomed like it!
    >no, is was mellenials!
    >no, no it was uh uh boomers!
    Truth is no one played it or like it

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest issue with 4 was any time I wanted to seriously get invested in the SP or MP the unoptimized piece of shit took me out of having fun.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who earnestly take their opinions from here are losers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SAfags like OP really hold onto the posts of Gankerirgins from 14 years ago

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I played IV's shitty pc port on a mid tier pc (at the time) getting silky smooth 30 fps on lowest settings and still enjoyed the fuck out of it. I maintain that it has the best gunplay and best boatcars of the entire franchise.
    Also ten years ago everyone used to wank over IV's grafix mods

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also ten years ago everyone used to wank over IV's grafix mods
      tbf I think it still looks really good considering it's age, the world is just really dense with detail

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA 4 did play better than the 6th games.

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People simply like GTA V less. That's all. Feel free to use the archive to see how this developed.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    brown filter
    terrible car controls
    le funny cousin

    yes i also remember the game being shit on.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    4 is absolutely better than 5

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have Halo nostalgia threads now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have MW2 and Minecraft nostalgia threads now, oh don't forget the Fortnite threads.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We have Halo nostalgia threads now.

        i get rock hard knowing i am making boomertoids cope and seethe lmfao

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Online was actually fun. GTA racing wasn't broken. Public voice chat lobbies. Cops and robbers. Not having to micromanage your garage and house and all that added bullshit.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GTA IV
    >Ever bad

    Nah, son. You were just too young/stupid/american to realize how good it was.
    If you could take a moment to breathe in the game you would see it is a milestone in game design and GTA V went back several steps.
    While most people had a point in saying "after SA why don't we have X, Y and bikes?" because we should make progress, sometimes progress isn't about having more, it's about having better.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, story was shit, characters unlikeable, physics made you constantly feel like you were controlling a drunk man. I don't think V was anything great but at least it felt decent to play. I do wish they carried over the limb damage and car damage though

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA 4 was like the highest rated game for a whole, anon. Like 10 years ago

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GTA IV comes out
    >SA fags bitch and complain
    >they bitch about the story being too serious
    >they bitch about the complete lack of character customization
    >they bitch about the lack of planes
    >they bitch about the realistic car handling
    >they bitch about the multiplayer being a relatively barebones afterthought
    >they bitch about the only fun mission being the bank robbery one
    >they bitch about the focus on realism detracting from fun

    >GTA V comes out
    >you play as three wildly different bank robbers designed to appeal to each segment of the audience, who go on zany over-the-top heists to take down the government and billionaires
    >cars now have zero weight to them and control on a dime
    >interiors are gone but there are planes again despite the map still being too small for them to be of any real use compared to helis
    >R* focuses on the multiplayer so hard that the franchise dies

    What happened was the vocal minority got what they thought they wanted only to realize that they had been wrong the whole time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      5 plays better than 4, but I wouldn't want to replay either of them.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    casuals and retards were shitting on the game, because they lack critical thought, superior gamers of higher intellect like me recognized the games strengths ahead of you, and with time, people started recoginizing those too and left you behind

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have always been at war with East Asia.

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there's a timeline where the three protags of V are Johnny, Packie and Lamar and we don't live in it

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Game map is one small city and 2 towns, the rest is mountains.
    >Physics considerably worse than the game that came before it.
    >No interiors besides safehouse and Ammunation
    >Shitty missions such as Crane operator, yoga, apple offices, any mission involving Michael's kids
    >Terminator cops with ridiculous accuracy so police battles are usually short
    >Removed crouch feature
    >Restrictive linear missions that fail if you try to be creative
    >Unlikeable characters
    >Forgettable villians
    >3 protagonists
    >So many guns that they all feel the same
    >GTA Online
    Just to name a few

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GTA IV also has 3 protags and Johnny's campaign is god awful.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >GTA IV also has 3 protags
        With 3 different campaigns

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Johnny's campaign is god awful.
        Its great because it stays more consistent than either IV or TBOGT, so it never gets retarded. Plus the gang wars are fun.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it stays more consistent than either IV or TBOGT
          that's the problem, it's all the same shit over and over. Niko had a bigger campaign so he was gonna get the best missions and TBOGT really expanded the map quite a bit with more interiors and other things. Gang wars were fun, but basically once you did one you did them all.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that's the problem, it's all the same shit over and over.
            GTA when its not run and gun sucks anon. That was a weakness of SA.

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA IV literally saved Rockstar from being bought up by EA.
    The reason it was worse than its predecessors was the engine and the story but it still bought RS around 10 years time before being cucked.
    Remember the 00s and all those little studios?
    Well guess what, Rockstar is one of the handful who survived that era. And it was because of the massive success that was GTA IV

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know Take Two has owned R* for its entire existence, right?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And? EA still wanted to buy them before IV came out. Take Two would be little shitters on the market if it weren't for R*

  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I loved GTA4. I've been defending it since the begining

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I recently re-visited GTAV remembering it being really good from highschool. I got up to the first heist mission and dropped it soon after.

    First off, it looked amazing and Los Santos is an awesome city. It helps that I first experienced it on fucking Xbox 360 and now played it on PC, but still. I had a moment of pure awe where I swapped over to Michael and he was just in a park right in the middle of the city where people were doing yoga, there were dogs playing, there was a helicopter tour going on overhead, and blimps and planes were in the distance. I just stopped and really soaked it in.

    Every other part of the game feels directionless, though. The missions feel all over the place, Michael and Trevor are just completely unrelatable and in some cases I outright hated them (especially Trevor), and the game just tries to be way too wacky while dealing with stuff like corruption and shadow ops by the government.

    Also, and this stung the most, the shooting was just not good. GTAIV had very responsive, unpredictable (in a good way) combat. You shoot a cop, when he falls over he might accidentally discharge his gun. They might fall down stairs, or trip into their friends. It was awesome. GTAV just felt, and I hate when people use this word but I can't think of anything else to describe it, but soulless. Even the guns felt like they were ripped from an asset library. None of them felt unique. They all felt exactly the same and I couldn't pick any of the sounds or handling of them out from one another if you put a gun to my head. Which really surprises me because there were like 4x the number of guns in V than in IV.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's exactly how I felt about V since launch day. I couldn't believe the shooting was a step backwards from IV.
      It has the same problem every game released since 2010 has, the guns feel and sound like weak peashooters.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bought the 360 version on launch day, played through the entire thing and it was easily the most forgettable GTA in existence.

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SA has a lot of soul I'll give you that.
    Being the best selling game of the best selling console of all time means that even third worlders know the game, but the praise the game gets is just nostalgia.
    People like to ignore SA's shitty gameplay and awful missions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People like to ignore SA's shitty gameplay and awful missions

      This. People were so enamoured by just how much stuff was in SA that they ignored the fact that most of that stuff wasn’t that good.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem was that IV cut them out instead of making them better. Some SA missions are antiquated but at the time they were on par if not improvements of the GTA formula

  73. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YOU PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE, FOOL

  74. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GTA 4
    >shit

  75. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA IV has a lot of objective downgrades from SA. Customisation is out, minigames are out, and sidequests are either nerfed or annoying. But the gunplay is really good and the plot is decent, even if it's disconnected from the gameplay itself. The plot choices you can make are an interesting mechanic. I do think it's a misstep to make it realistic in the way that plenty other post-9/11 media did.

  76. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was always a firm split in peoples opinions on GTA 4

    Contrary to the retard posts earlier in this thread, the pro GTA4 crowd tended to skew a lot older. They liked the more serious and mature take on a crime story.

    The anti GTA4 crowd tended to be the younger, still in high school crowd on Ganker who thought that we needed GTA4 to be more like Saints Row or GTA SA. They liked how over the top SA was and wanted more of it. If anything, looking back at the PS2 trilogy, San Andreas was the odd man out with how ridiculous things got story wise (We never saw homies with jetpacks in Vice City, or 3)

    And before you all start bitching, I'm old enough to have played GTA1 and 2 before the PS2 even ever came out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now this is peak larpfagging

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be mad Zoomie. GTA 4 was always good, and 5 will always be a shitty cash grab geared towards the lowest common denominator

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's not wrong. SAfags hated IV because it wasn't SA 2.0.

          It is unreasonable to make sweeping statements about the ages of people who liked or disliked a game, especially with nothing whatsoever to back that up. Only a shitposter would try to claim otherwise.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except it's true. If you were actually alive at the time you would remember the various informal polls we'd have about what age people were and favorite GTA. There even was once a GTA meme inspired by the dues ex meme of favorite GTA games. In general, the younger kids wanted more San Andreas, and hated 4 because it wasn't it. If you disagree, you clearly weren't around at the time to have seen it.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I've been here since early 2009 and I don't remember anything like that. I do remember the majority disliking IV at the time, especially the shoddy PC port being shat on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                sage

                Well considering GTA came out in 2008, you wouldn't remember launch era reception, would you?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                PC release only came out december, there were still constant posts about the game when I was there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                sage

                That's really not the same as the initial console launch, especially when you consider how shit the PC port was.

                >I never actually had any problems running it though

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You post like a massive newfag, hope you're not the same anon claiming to have been around on here when the game launched. Announcing is against the rules, by the way.

              • 2 weeks ago
                sage

                Announce deez

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Announcing is against the rules, by the way.

                Not according to MOOT , announcing sage should be encouraged

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's not wrong. SAfags hated IV because it wasn't SA 2.0.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be mad Zoomie. GTA 4 was always good, and 5 will always be a shitty cash grab geared towards the lowest common denominator

        He's not wrong. SAfags hated IV because it wasn't SA 2.0.

        Based.
        I don't know where the idea that zoomers prefer IV over V came from.
        It's always the kiddos sucking off the shitshow that was V.

        Older people had just came from 3 -> VC -> SA which were all 9/10 games, and then 4 came along and it fucking blew ass because it was right around the time when the whole industry switched over to a point where everything had to be MUH REALISM and MUH GRIMDARK.

        Only zoomers liked 4 when it came out. It was such a piece of shit in every regard compared to the previous 3 games that were amazing. Stop this revisionism shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong. Objectively. Zoomers (Which you mean later millennials) loved San Andreas as it was one of their first GTA games. When 4 wasn't that, they trashed it and started dick riding Saints Row until they imploded that franchise

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >were all 9/10 games
          They're 8/10 at best. Only a PS2baby would think they're anything higher

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based.
      I don't know where the idea that zoomers prefer IV over V came from.
      It's always the kiddos sucking off the shitshow that was V.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're talking to the launch era reception of 4, vs the post 5 reception of 4. After 5 came out as mentioned in a different post, people who were hankering for San Andreas 2.0 got what they wanted and realized it wasn't what they actually wanted.

        A lot of the launch era reception of 5, was that the game was clearly rushed, and they took out everything in 4 that made the combat interesting/challenging. And the general thoughts were that the overworld was bland as fuck, but Rockstar fanboys kept trying to max copium by saying "LIKE THE OCEAN, IS LIKE HUGE BRO!"

  77. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But now suddenly there are people who call it a "classic"?
    >When the fuck did this transition happen? Where did these people even come from?
    It's people who were 8-14 when the game came out and are now 22-28, so they have weird ass nostalgia for a shitty game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You too

      [...]
      It is unreasonable to make sweeping statements about the ages of people who liked or disliked a game, especially with nothing whatsoever to back that up. Only a shitposter would try to claim otherwise.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate all this
      >you are boomer zoomer therefore you must have played and liked x and hated y
      Why even post at all if you're assuming no one in the conversation can have a genuine opinion because everything is nostalgia or similar bullshit? How hard is it to believe that someone genuinely enjoys something you don't? I'd confidently bet my entire family's kidneys you wouldn't come close to guessing my favorite game with 100 tries based on my age because it wouldn't fit your nostalgiafag assumptions at all.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where did all the based and cool essex threads go?!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gooseposter btfo

  78. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ganker used to like
    San Andreas
    Ballad of Gay Tony
    GTAV

    Ganker never liked
    Bloom and Piss filter IV with shitty car controls
    GTAV online

    Nu-v likes
    Bloom and Piss filter IV due to zoomer retarded nostalgia
    GTAV online cause streamer says so

  79. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still vividly remember the disappointment I felt after trying to fly a plane or a jetpack, or go on a tank rampage and have the military chase me, and realizing I wasn't able to do that.
    Gta 4 is dogshit compared to vice city and san andreas, r* took all the fun aspects of those games and left only the boring stuff in 4 but with shiny physics.
    TBoGT is the only reedemable part of that game and it is what that whole game should've been like.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gta 4 is dogshit compared to vice city and san andreas, r* took all the fun aspects of those games and left only the boring stuff in 4 but with shiny physics.
      what fun aspects? Those games aged liked shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3, SA and VC were all about just being fun and wild and whacky. They had tons of over the top shit that was constantly getting wilder and wilder. Everything in GTA IV felt like the exact opposite. They tried to make everything as realistic as possible and thus toned everything down. This meant unfun driving mechanics, meh shooting mechanics, meh weapons, meh radio stations, meh characters, meh side activities, meh NPC chatter, etc. etc.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >3, SA and VC were all about just being fun and wild and whacky. They had tons of over the top shit that was constantly getting wilder and wilder.
          Not really. The wildest 3 got was suicide junkies and VC was Haitian voodoo. Meanwhile SA lost the fucking plot after CJ gets exiled.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought SA was hilarious at the time because you could tell they wanted to tell a serious story about CJ avenging momma or whatever, but then you look at the stats screen and realize you murdered at least 2000 people, stole a harrier jet and started a gambling empire along the way because a bro gotsta get paid loc.

            I almost wonder if Los Santos was a self contained story arc that got split into the bookends of the game when they decided to make the game way bigger? In a VC sized game he could've spent the middle of the game working for the mafia or Caesar's crew or some shit, bust his brother out of prison with their help, then pick up with the riot segment

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >meh shooting mechanics, meh weapons, meh radio stations, meh characters, meh side activities, meh NPC chatter, etc. etc.
          Integrity 2.0 was great.

          • 2 weeks ago
            sage

            Radio stations ranked

            1) VCPR
            2) Chatterbox
            3) San Andreas radio stations
            4) Kchat
            5) everything else

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >meh shooting mechanics, meh weapons,
          Anon when was the last time you played SA.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >can't fly a plane
        >can't parachute
        >can't tune my car
        >can't buy mansions
        >can't drive to a military base, steal a tank and go on a rampage
        >can't go to a stadium and have me some nascar, destruction derby or bike trial
        Just out of my head I thought of these, but if I actually tried I'd probably come up with a list big enough to fill 10 pages.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally the only series flaw here is the lack of a tank.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          body customization
          gang turf wars
          tattoos
          more varied clothing and hairstyles
          melee moves and gyms

          the list goes on and on

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >body customization
            Gimmick. 3/VC/VCS/LCS didn't have them either and they were still great.
            >gang turf wars
            Terrible gimmick that wouldn't be good until RDR/EFLC
            >tattoos
            Gimmick
            >more varied clothing and hairstyles
            This one is true
            >melee moves and gyms
            Gimmick, Niko already had the combo system.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You say gimmick like it was a bad thing. Those mechanics make it a far better game and should have been expanded on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but they laying the groundwork for that shit for later games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what the fuck are you even talking about?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You say gimmick like it was a bad thing.
                But anon, they were. Outside of the silly quote here and there, there really wasn't much to it. Yeah you can get jacked, but you're never gonna make much use of it because you'll use guns. Nine years later when V brought them back, they still didn't do much outside slight gameplay bonus.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But anon, they were

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >no, no, you see it's actually BETTER when they remove features!

                I accept your concession because SA made an argument against the stats when the story required you to pump a useless stat for Amphibious Assault.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >GTA 4 having less features is good
                >why
                >it just is okay!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But anon, they were

                >no, no, you see it's actually BETTER when they remove features!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But anon, they were
                Are you under the impression that games having gimmicks is a bad thing? Because most people would say that those "gimmicks" and other side things in SA made the game full of SOUL.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Muscle and sex appeal impacted dating, every single feature was there for a reason in SA, even if it just impacted one small mini-game or activity, it had a purpose and helped the game feel way more immersive, in 4 they just threw it all away hoping that the new physics and story carried the game, it didn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >, in 4 they just threw it all away hoping that the new physics and story carried the game, it didn't.
                Lmao except it did. GTA IV was the first time in the series where the gunplay didn't feel or sound like shit. In stead of focusing on dumb gimmicks nobody cared about, because lets be honest, the gimmicks were not the stars of SA its the gun and gun, and the run and gun of SA was bad.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cont. Rockstar should have focused on the core gameplay instead of throwing a thousand tricks at the wall and not having the patience to see what stuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You think the shooting being better justifies the removal of dozens of other mechanics andfeatures? LOL

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More like its better to focus on the core strengths of the series instead of dumb gimmicks that never mattered much. Also don't forget that IV didn't get rid them after SA, there was LCS and VCS between them and they didn't have stats either. LMAO

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >focus on the core strengths of the series instead of dumb gimmicks that never mattered much
                Except you're wrong as evidenced by this very thread where you are the only one arguing for such a moronic take.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Except you're wrong
                Good argument SAfag. Now shit on these games for not having them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                San Andreas IS better than those games too. It's the best game in the franchise.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where is my drug empire building in gta 4.
                Yeah, I thought so, another new feature that was dumped.
                Or zombie killing mini-game?
                You really wanna start this anon? For all the shit you throw at the 3d era games I can throw twice as much at gta 4 for objectively being a worse game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would a Balkan hitman suddenly become a drug trafficker when the basis of the game him looking for someone?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like they shouldn't have used a balkan hitman for their protag. Yet another win for San Andreas, the protag is more flexible to allow for those mechanics.

                SA just can't stop winning.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >protag is more flexible to allow for those mechanics.
                Then why wasn't he a drug dealing gangbanger? CJ is one of the worst parts of SA because he's such a moron. You're a gangbanger in 1992 and you don't wanna traffick drugs? Bitch get the fuck out of here. Huang Lee would get all of GSF addicted to crack.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why wasn't he a drug dealing gangbanger?
                He was. He intercepted and sold drugs and took over neighborhoods by force.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't. Literally the main reason why the Ballas were kicking their asses is because they refused to deal drugs and stock up guns.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"hey Caesar, the yay leavin San Fierro right?"
                That's him intercepting drugs and the subsequent money you get rewarded for completing it is the sale of those drugs. it's also quite easy to take over the whole city with turf wars.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But we're not selling the drugs anon. I'm talking CTW where we actually deal drugs instead of getting money for finding a backpack.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But we're not selling the drugs anon
                Yeah you are, wholesale. Just not direct to consumer. What, did you want CJ standing on the corner selling crack? Admittedly that might have been a pretty cool minigame if done right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What, did you want CJ standing on the corner selling crack?
                Selling crack on the corner is for the low gangbangers, I'm talking large transactions of drugs

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm talking large transactions of drugs
                Fair point and it could have been good if they went that route.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Fair point and it could have been good if they went that route.
                GTA SA would have been so much better if they stuck to the gangbanger angle. 1992 was like the last year where crack was the last year of the crack epidemic before it declined. Might as well take advantage of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *1992 was like the last year where crack still profitable and was the last year of the crack epidemic before it declined.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >GTA IV was the first time in the series where the gunplay didn't feel or sound like shit.
                I sincerely hope you are joking. 90% of the weapons in GTA IV sounded like absolute fucking garbage. All gun shots sound like you're listening to them through a tin can, they're all extremely hollow and have no bass.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for reminding just how shit the guns in SA sounded after 3 and VC perfected them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                VC > SA >>>> GTA IV.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why does san andreas still have more copies sold than 4 to this day?
                People only care about run and gun huh? That gave me a chuckle ngl

  80. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's nostalgia. Just look at Call of Duty and how people now remember it as a classic franchise and their 360 games were solid campaigns with soulful multiplayer maps, even tho back in the day it was considered a shit generic franchise that kickstarted a horrible trend of brown-tinted no-freedom linear military FPS.

    In 10 years people will be nostalgic over the PS4.

  81. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People were immature and didn't understand GTA4. It was too grim and too dark for the rest of the series. The nihilistic narrative about the end of the American dream almost killed GTA as a whole and you can see that in GTA5 overcorrecting itself into a wacky fun land where nothing is serious, nothing means anything and none of the characters act like anything other than a carricature.

    I know what sort of person Niko is, but can you tell me anything about Michael, Franklin or the "crazy" guy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The nihilistic narrative about the end of the American dream almost killed GTA as a whole
      What did she mean by this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GTA Online

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The nihilistic narrative about the end of the American dream

      Is there a single paragraph of fiction with the Houser's names on it that doesn't fit this description? That seems to be the only big social commentary point those snaggle toothed limey gays are able to express

  82. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was 20 when it came out. I thought it was lame that they removed the RPG stuff and that it was only a city instead of a state, but I ended up really liking it. In hindsight, its cool that SA was so ambitious but it doesn't really hold up.

    The driving it great once you get the hang of it, and the physics are really cool. I hated that they removed the brutal ragdolls from V.

    Nowadays, I hate that it started the SERIOUS, MATURE STORYTELLING era of Rockstar.

    • 2 weeks ago
      sage

      The serious mature story telling era? I assume you mean the three games they made like that

      Gta4, rdr, and rdr2.

      Thematically, rdr series is more in line with 4 than 5 and it's cringe shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        V has some wackiness but its trying really hard to tell a serious story. Same as IV, which still had a lot of the silly racial stereotype characters and the beeg American teetees!

        • 2 weeks ago
          sage

          Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with V telling a serious story. This is literally the first time I've ever heard anyone make that claim. But we're both entitled to our opinions.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its tone is about on par with Breaking Bad I'd say. Its not Schindler's List but its definitely more serious than the ps2 era

  83. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because everyone who liked the game didn't pay attention to the massive haters and stayed faithful to a game they really loved? What do you want me to say cuck? I'm playing it right now.

  84. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you care what other people think?

  85. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTA 4 lacks so much content vs it’s predecessor it’s hilarious. On top of that it looks lifeless and everything is grey. They took SA, removed the extremities and fun and ended up with something about as exciting as working a shift in an office.

    GTA 4 is HORSESHIT and I won’t hear anyone try to claim it wasn’t, it’s the least fun entry in the whole franchise, which for a normal game is terrible, but for a sandbox open world it’s abysmal.

  86. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >SAcucks will tell you that tagging one hundred times, finding one hundred hidden packages and one hundred clam shells is fun
    Nostalgia. GTA CTW is the only game that did side content well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      sage

      >Tfw you remember all the good side missions from the PS2 era are gone forever
      >No real cab missions, cop missions, and paramedic in the style of the PS2 games

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They got rid of paramedic because nobody liked that one but taxi and vigilante peaked with IV.

        • 2 weeks ago
          sage

          My only problem is that when you finished it, they didn't let you do any more. I liked the randomized nature of the ps2 era. Not to say I'd keep booting up GTA 4 to play it, but gta4s biggest weakness to me is it's lack of additional side content.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SAcucks will tell you that tagging one hundred times, finding one hundred hidden packages and one hundred clam shells is fun
      Meanwhile in GTA IV they introduced 200 (TWO HUNDRED) pigeons that you need hunt down and shoot instead, because that is so much more fun.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was never fun. Nostalgiafags like to masturbate over hidden packages but they were never fun to find and trivialized money further because they spawned infinite money.

  87. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is not one single memorable location in GTA IV

    • 2 weeks ago
      sage

      I'd disagree. I can't remember anything memorable about 5s map though. The most memorable map to me is vice city. I could be dropped into that game without a map and find every landmark right now, and I haven't played it in ten years

  88. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's a bunch of zoomies here now that played it when they were children and think it's the best GTA. Same thing with Oblivion, and Mass Effect 2 etc etc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zoomies were playing SA when it came out. lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I suppose I could see a 7 year old playing it. But that's a very small minority and only at the very edge of being called a zoomer

    • 2 weeks ago
      sage

      Oblivion with mods is legitimately the best elder scrolls game of all time. Mass effect 3 was shit, 2 was okay, 1 was mediocre.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uh huh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mass Effect 2
      Ganker sucked that game's dick on release, it even had a general that lasted way too long.

  89. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never felt this way, I was only upset that there was no couch co-op like in San Andreas.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did you enjoy that couch co op anon? I tried it with friends but we could never get used to the shit camera.

  90. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember GTA IV being shit.
    Chooses the literal best game of all time as bait.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the literal best game of all time

  91. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no you arent insane. i definitely remember when gta4 was all but considered the worst one

  92. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You'll never got shootouts like this in SA.

    ?t=122

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Come back when you can get a tank, sucker.

  93. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    many such cases. in part, newer games tend to be worse, so things look better by comparison. second, people don't really remember mediocre games as well as they remember actual classics, so it's easier to lie about them

  94. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's aged kinda poorly but you're telling me you didn't enjoy the visual and physics upgrade over the last three games? Just driving around ragdolling people and smashing up cars to see how deformed you could get them, not to mention the mods that the pc version had.

  95. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    games got worse, making old bad games look better
    dark souls 3 and er made me hate dark souls 2 less

  96. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sleeping Dogs > GTA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dlcs all suck, no post game content, would have been better as a triad only game and should have forgot the cop shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely fucking not. Hell, Sleeping Dogs is clearly a PS2 that they decided to release as a next gen game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sleeping Dogs with all of San Andreas mechanics
      >we won't get either because Sleeping Dogs is dead and GTA has taken the onlinepill

  97. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thought it was a step down from san andreas
    But it was better then vice city and V

  98. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember people shitting on IV

    San Andreas was the best one, glad I played it with the multiplayer mod years ago. Funny how 5 copied a lot of elements of the multiplayer

  99. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >GTA IV is better than GTA V
    That was always unanimously agreed upon. People quickly picked up on the technical downgrades between the games, and hated the even gloomier story clashing against the warm, sunny atmosphere.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OG gta 5 was more fun than 4 ever was, all the new content and returning features from 3d era games more than made up for the gimped physics. It was when gta online arrived that all went to shit...

  100. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All GTAs are shit, Rockstar are fucking hacks.
    The only reason its still part of the culture is because open world and the edginess of it mesmerized the brainlets who grew up with it. GTA was unironically the Fortnite of late millennials early gen Z. It never had good gameplay and it never had a good story.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >GTA was unironically the Fortnite of late millennials early gen Z
      GTA existed since 1997.

  101. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was never considered shit, just not as great as the 3D games before it. Except the Ballad of Gay Tony, everyone here loved that. Also we had heated debates over whether or not the driving was awful (it was).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It was never considered shit, just not as great as the 3D games before it.
      It was never considered as great by who? The Brazilians too poor to buy an xbox?

  102. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No GTA is worse than V, zoom zoom

  103. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Who claim it's better than GTA V, San Andreas or Vice City?
    these games all drop the ball hard after near their second halves, which is probably why everybody seems to love them as they've never got to those points. III and IV are objectively the only consistently great GTA games.

  104. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that was like /the/ next gen game when I played it despite the regression from SA, idk how anyone could hate it

  105. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Happens all the time.
    People who liked it back when the general consensus was that it's shit will continue to sing it's praises into the future, meanwhile those who thought it was shit will move on because most people don't spend massive amounts of time dwelling on stuff that was pretty meh

  106. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How old are you? I was in my last year of high school when it came out and it was pretty well received by pretty much everyone I knew at the time. It did suck that it removed some features that were popular in San Andreas, but overall the game was praised for having great writing, great graphics (for the time), and an excellent sound track.

    My only complaints were that the game was smaller than SA and you didn't have the weight mechanics like working out to get buff or eating to become a fatass.

  107. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Driving was better in 4 because it was harder to master. 5 is like driving rc cars around. I will say that I liked the Formula 1 races in GTA:O but I got sick of running the same 3 tracks

  108. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All GTAs before IV aged like milk and V looks and plays like a fucking cartoon, so yes, IV and Chinatown Wars are the only good GTAs/

  109. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SOMEDAY
    SOMEDAY
    SOMEDAY
    DOMINION

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Come a time

  110. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Eminence Front - The Who starts playing

  111. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People hated GTA IV because they thought it would be like GTA SA, but now people see it as its own thing and they learned to love it.

  112. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember GTA IV being shit.
    See that's the root of the problem.
    People say IV is shit because they remember making that judgement when they played it 15 years ago when they saw it wasn't exactly like SA.
    Now that years have passed, some people gave it another shot after reaching adult hood.
    They realized once you play it, all that autistic hatred just fades away lol.
    That's where "these people" come from.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The DLCs were better than the main game and that's what most remember.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's still a downgrade over SA. IV gets more leniency now because the missing features like planes and tanks came back in V. It wasn't autistic hatred, it was dislike and uncertainty over where the series was going.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a downgrade over SA
        No lol SA had dogshit gameplay, IV didn't cut out anything of value.

  113. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When the fuck did this transition happen? Where did these people even come from?

    There was a marketing team that came on here pretending together in a thread that Gameboy games had "so many classics" and how quality the games were. That is fucking complete bullshit. Consoles ALWAYS had slimmed down versions of PC games and Gameboy had games with the same titles that didn't even resemble the console or PC versions. Gameboy fucking sucked balls and even this Asian weeb kid was showing me the DS years after I was finally glad to have gotten rid of my Gameboy and I clearly wasn't missing shit. He was showing me castle Vania (which was always so boring I couldn't even play that game).

    Gameboy did not have several good games. There was pokemon and 1 other game that I forgot what was.

  114. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's nostalgia for you

  115. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back then we couldn't imagine how much worse things could be.

  116. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only the driving and annoying phone calls were universally hated. Lack of fun wacky shit was my most hated aspect. SR2 is the real sequel to SA.

  117. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything got worse and so everyone remembered everything else more fondly.

  118. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember being blown away by GTAIV, as were all of my friends. I'm starting to think all your remembering is your niche internet community of nerds and outcasts having shit opinions

  119. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I clearly remember GTA IV being shit.
    this but your father remembering your birth

  120. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dumb larping zoomer

  121. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks the first 'modern' GTA wasnt played to death by everyone
    >he has no friends and no social ability
    quite literally everyone who had a console was playing gta4 online and fucking around in the airport daily for almost a year straight

  122. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cope

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