Are devs incapable of making games that feel like journeys and adventures or are they not even trying to make them
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Are devs incapable of making games that feel like journeys and adventures or are they not even trying to make them
You answered it with your own picture. Everyone loved GTAIII, everyone wanted open worlds, there you have it.
>everyone
No.
Me neither, but they might have lost 1k sales and gained millions. You not liking a game doesnt matter to them.
Try red redemption 2. Oh wait but then it feels too much of a journey for you.
Draw a typical route through a full RDR2 playthrough on its map
Saint denis and the surrounding missions were utter shit.
And you think this is somehow similar to Frodo's journey
WHERE'S TAHITI
wtf is with the geography of Mordor. Like it's literally a square of mountains
i always pfigured it's one of those inaccurate historic maps and noone bothered to stay so close to mordor long enough to map it out
The mountains that surround Mordor were raised by Sauron. Melkor did exactly the same thing around Angband, as usual Sauron was just copying Daddy.
Sauron isn't that powerful, fairly sure it was made by Morgoth early on only for him to never get to utilize the place
>hallway simulator
Try Final Fantasy XIII.
The top in OP image is literally the opposite of hallways and movies
It's literally a hallway and movie.
It is quite literally the opposite
just because it isn't completely straight, doesn't mean its not linear as frick
Anon you have no idea what you're talking about, did you really never read/watch LOTR?
I haven't, but I have seen the picture OP posted and the "journey" they're on, is linear as frick, like every AAA slop of today, no wonder you seem to like it so much.
>"I haven't"
>still commenting on it as if your opinion held any value whatsoever
Yep it's definitely eastern eurotard hours
its quite literally a movie
>make a big unreachable background
>suddenly not a hallway anymore
It's that easy and you got fooled by it.
It's not that either
How is it not?
The entire Middle-earth was reachable to the Fellowship, they just chose the path they thought would be the best and adjusted as they went
If the top was translated into a game then it would be FF13. That's what the game was, a single path to the point of having hallways worth of things. When you can't deviate from a single path you get FF13. LotR doesn't feel like that because you don't control a character whose movement and exploration is actually limited, you see other characters who explore and end up on the single path that the narrative constructs.
When you can only go on one narratively constructed path, a game is linear. There's nothing wrong with that, and it usually leads to better stories. But don't pretend that top translated to a videogame wouldn't be that.
I don't want games to be movies.
Open world games are often as uninteractive as a movie, protip: walking and doing menial quests for items you won't ever need isn't meaningful interaction
the former and the latter, OP. current devs in AAA and the rest lack the ability at present to make fun adventure games
i dont think the pink inside mordor is right. iirc they got north, then east, and approach mount doom from the north
how the frick do you draw aragorn and co's line so incorrectly (orange)
why did the fellowship go on a little loop between Gondor and Ronan?
That's only Frodo and Sam. They went to the Black Gate and realized trying to get into Mordor that way would be foolish.
Dragons Dogma 2, ignore the main quest.
Call of Juarez 1, Half-Life 2, Flame in the Flood, Dark Souls, Journey (unironically). There are few games that convey the feeling, as they are often busy teleporting you here and there and showing cutscenes. Games that lets you wander and get lost are great, but few.
>Dragon's Dogma 2
>Dark Souls
Play survival crafting / survival MMOs, they achieve what you want while being pure games.
Zoomers just have absolutely no standards whatsoever do they
Those are millennial games. Zoomers play Fortnite.
>Zoomers play fortnite
We have the highest rates of autism of any generation. Our true games are beyond your comprehension, normalgay
DQ11 felt like that for me
The top pic? Agreed and it's what came to mind when I seen the OP. I'm so close to replaying it, last played it over a year ago and I've searched high and low and tried a dozen+ party RPG and none have felt good at all.
Professional/studio developers didn't use procgen for anything but terrain, shaders, and randomisation which are its most shallow surface-level applications and the fickle egregore became fatigued of the technology before it could be used to its full potential.
I have hope that generative AI will make waves with this technology in the near future and we will be able to live out Middle-earth-esque stories in expansive worlds.
because games are set up in a way that the travel between two points is a waste of time, and the only content is at the destination.
so you have compressed maps, barren world, or fast travel.
the right way to do it is to make travel the adventure on itself. the main thing of the game. but no one makes this.
Frodo, you must climb these 52 different towers scattered all around the middle earth and activate their eagle charming beacons in order to activate fast travel.
why'd you post griffimdor, that's the wrong guy
>did you put the wrong guy in your post you little piece of shit avada kedavra
looking back super mario 64 and oot were the start of this
first rehashed the same "open" environments for mundane quests
second had pointless open grass field between the actual content
GTA devs said they were influenced by these games. easily some of the worst games ever made in retrospect
Yes but the map is big and you can spend a lot of time collecting pointless crap, fun
god of war, resident evil, i dunno man, other options is to play visual novels or some shit
Am I the only one who didn't like Frodo/Sam/Gollum's journey? The parts of LOTR with Gondor/Rohan with all the battles were always much more compelling to me than hearing Frodo whine about the ring or gollum plot something in secret for the thousandth time.
Also thought I'd mention: LOTR would be more my style if Aragorn was the Ring-bearer and Gimli and Legolas were his companions. I just don't see the appeal of characters who are essentially powerless.
Did you turn your brain off when watching? The ring's power is corruption, it drives people with strong desires mad. Frodo was chosen to be the ring bearer because he was simpleton with no desire for great things.
The ring didnt corrupt Talion
I understand the reasoning in the story, I just like having epic heroes in my fantasy who have the power to destroy their enemies, not midgets who have to hide from everything.
Are you American?
ngl dude you sound braindead
moron
Have you read other fantasy literature besides LOTR?
I've read some of Wheel of Time, Riftwar Saga, and some Michael Moorwiener novels.
My point being that there should be plenty of books in the genre that are what you're looking for, especially anything that's Forgotten Realms/D&D adjacent. I don't think LOTR would be as fondly remembered if it was about a D&D group of heroes saving the day.
the power to carry the ring was the most important one in the end
the appeal is supposed to be that even a fat short moron could do something important, with help from friends
The whole point of this book, the reason for it (and the hobbit) to exist, is to convey the idea that in practice little, ordinary people are as important as big, great ones. It may not literally be about Christ and the crucifixion, as The Chronicles of Narnia are, but LotR is still shot through with Christianity.
My sister did, but she's a woman who doesn't understand male friendship. Are you a woman?
Frodo carries the ring because he's a nobody from a backwater land. Frodo and Sam start out as homeowner and gardener, go through hell together, and come out closer than brothers. You have to remember that this was written by a WW1 veteran, and once you consider that it all makes sense.
>My sister did, but she's a woman who doesn't understand male friendship. Are you a woman?
Frick off, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas have a great friendship.
BOTW
Phoneposting, but this is the actual path if you just stick to the main quests without the memories.
And like a phoneposting moron, I forgot the pic.
Thats final fantasy XIII
It sucked
Gated open world is best.
Getting to a new island in GTA3 or new city in GTASA was cool. GTA5 was one city and a rural area on one ugly blob of a map. Size never matters for open world games.
TW3 should have had a smaller Velen and larger Skellige.
The versatility of the equipment you get in Zelda should have led to more gating instead of just upgrading your stamina in BOTW or batteries in TOTK to get anywhere you want.
Try it again, but this time make areas completely inaccessible before getting a hookshot and such.
It's very simple: it requires effort, instead of just creating a circle and filling it up with the same copy pasted encounters and locations hundreds of times, they would have to actually make different locations and people, etc.
In the first Dragons Dogma going anywhere distant felt like a journey for the first 10 hours because you're pretty weak, lack resources and night time is actually dangerous. Witcher 3 too if you take your time and only visit new places following the main quest when the game wants you to and don't use fast travel. Reaching the big city after spending hours in the countryside was amazing. If you play the game + the DLC in succession without taking breaks to play other games it feels like this massive adventure because of how many different places you will see and how distant everything feels.
>Witcher 3
Nah man this is one of the worst offenders for sticking you in a box and just having you run circles around inside of it.
No fast travel BotW was like that too.
Havent tried a TotK run yet. I think its technically possible but would be a hella big pain in the underworld. Mabye no airbiking also...
Dragons Dogma 2 is the first game in a long time to make me feel like I was on an adventure
Yup. Despite the contrarians screetching like morons all over the board, DD2 has a great sense of fantasy journey. Batthal is pure adventure kino.
I wish the monsters encounters were less numerous and more threatening tho.
This.
Although I was against removing free fast travel at first it growed on me. Having to plan your adventure, unload your backpack for what you may find in the journey, getting new pawns for the adventure... It truly felt like going on an adventure.
Not all adventures have to be point A to point B.
But I think that the idea of an ongoing adventure where the heroes live at some central location and periodically go on an adventure and then come back actually came from shounen anime.
Play Elden Ring OP it has the adventure vibe you're looking for.
It's nowhere near what OP is describing
who will pay the devs to make such a big game?
are you even going to buy it?
Why didn't they take a boat?
Danger of storms and pirates from Umbar I guess, also taking the ring through Gondor is still perilous because of the chance of Dennethor taking it for himself.
The most panned open-world slop that is BotW would have a path drawn as just a big square that ends in the middle from the intended path, open-world just lets players do whatever the frick else in between.
The issue is that because they aren't as tight narratively, things don't have as much meaning or weight because challenge is usually variable skewed to easy and most people can't help but frick around in a sandbox.
This seems like a good idea for my multiplayer game. Make an open world but one main road that is practically a straight line through the world, and all villages/cities are on it. The rest is extreme wilderness. If you go on the main road you'll see a bazillion players and merchants and stuff.
Rate my Arcanum route.
hm
Pointless when the world is a tiny hallway that feels like an MMO dungeon no one would ever mistake for an actual place