>BTFO's elden ring 5 years before it even comes out

At what? Watching a movie?

Too many buttons for Frombabs

Exactly, which is why we're all bashing TrantranMatosis's moronic videos. Glad we agree, pup.

It means he's a moron who sucks wiener at games, but more importantly, his dumbass "criticism" videos demonstrate that his understanding of the games he's reviewing is fundamentally flawed. Fortunately for him, his fanbase consists of moronic Black folk like you who slurp down his jizz and beg for more.

>whataboutism
I accept your concession.
>h-hehe owned!
I don't play troony May Slop.

I'm telling you I don't play Capcom's slop.

>My criticism is reliant upon watching the moron's video and discovering that he fundamentally doesn't know what the frick he's talking about
ah yes the good ol' "ALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU" argument

>braindead strawman because he can't handle his boyfriend being criticized
If you read through the thread you'd see various posts of anons dissecting the potato farmer's arguments, but you'll just cry and say "NUH UH" or "lol I'm not reading all that shit" because you're a homosexual. Your family deserves to be killed btw.

>n-no u!

You use Reddit spacing and are a mentally ill 27 year old male who cries about YouTube videos and Elden Ring. Ew.

>literally no spacing in that post
???

>Your family deserves to be killed btw.
and thus the troony shows his true colors by going apeshit and dilating, menacingly screaming death threats

too bad you will join the 50% soon

>!
hello red.dit

>he doesn't know about the filter
holy shit you ACTUALLY are from reddit lmao, jesus go back and kys

Your criticism is reliant on a 27 second clip from a livestream. You're an idiot.

>My criticism is reliant upon watching the moron's video and discovering that he fundamentally doesn't know what the frick he's talking about
ah yes the good ol' "ALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU" argument

You haven't even played RE4.

You use Reddit spacing and are a mentally ill 27 year old male who cries about YouTube videos and Elden Ring. Ew.

>implying that was reddit spacing
lmao your ass hurt is palpable. It's sad how children are so easily infected with troony brainrot

>gets angry at people for being bad at videogames
>doesn't even play videogames

Anon you need professional help

Anon I am hearing what you are saying and it has become very clear that you are a mentally ill autist who spergs out at everyone because someone didn't like your favourite souls game.

What the frick is this image?
>DBZ
Oh you're some Brazilian shitter. Every fricking time.

Take your meds you moron, I was making a joke about you throwing a shitfit over punctuation

>OH NO NO NO NO
LUL

>dbspic

>It means he's a moron who sucks wiener at games

Prove you're better than TrantranMatosis at videogames by posting your DMC1 DMD S rank no damage playthrough.

Shiiiitt you got him. There's no way that Discord poster even plays games how he gonna beat this

Discord-kun what you gonna do you gonna let this Anon talk to you like that? Goddamn

>AIIIIIIEEEEEE DON'T MAKE FUN OF MY BOYFRIEND!!!

>dbspic

Rent free, moeshitter.

>Died in Resident Evil 4? Heh.. now your whole argument is moot

Yes. yes. we know you're seething. there's no need to post twice

The point is he has no skills in a game he says is one of his favorites. The only games he has ever mastered are Kamiya slop because he's obsessed with that hack for some reason.

Not having any proficiency in something you say is your favorite is called being a poser.

have a nice day.

No it just means you like that thing most, that's what favorite means.
I love huun huur tu the tuvan throat singing band. I cant throat sing, they are still my favorite band.

You doing okay anon?

Show me your Professional S rank playthrough

because he is a gen alpha gamer, these young types completely devote themselves to a particular franchise/company, so basically any critique or even slightly negative opinion about Fromsoft is taken as a personal attack

>Ironic cause you cant criticize demons farts without its fanboys throwing a hissy fit
Demon's and Dark1 fans actively acknowledge that the games have problems though. No one tries to pretend that they aren't incomplete games with plenty of ideas that didn't work out well.

I loved Demon's and Dark because they felt like a proper 3d evolution of Metroidvania. The combat is only one part of it, not the entirety.

Also the game gets harder the more you die but geeeez now souls games are all about duh difficulty, not like Deomns Souls'sss *farts*

this isnt dmc, the difficulty was to make the world seem foreboding, which makes sense because the whole point was to have the player explore an interesting dark fantasy world

>What fricking changed?
the developers innovated less and started simplifying things to aim for a broader appeal, and started focusing on things they were not good at
also you talk like an esl, i can barely understand your 'sentence'

what are you even saying, take your meds holy shit

i think you are just making things up to get mad at, regardless its clear you have nothing more to offer, good day

Now show a fight as thematic as Tower Knight. That's what I thought.

Your experiences are just your feelings and i dont have time for them

>MatthewMatosis's perspective are and were generally perceived and accepted by the general audience and community through the degradation franchise through DS2 and DS3.
Couldn't give a shit about what normalhomosexuals and secondaries that fail to understand the fundamental mechanics at play think
>Youre playing the weird nerd gatekeeping game, where you try to espouse the most contrarian or obscure perspective to assert your niche credibility
I'm gatekeeping against morons, yes
>You don't have to agree with MatthewMatosis, but his perspective is far more developed and accepted than any other.
moronic groupthink
>Pedantically screeching about how Dark Souls is not a "literal" sequel as opposed to a "spiritual" one, or other bizarre accessory nitpicks is babyshit.
what the frick are you talking about? I answer to my own opinions, and those solely
>If you had a counterargument to MatthewMatosis, you would simply state it.
I stated my counterarguments in this very thread already, openly so

>d how each boss reacts to various attacks is what elevates Souls games above other action games
Dark Souls didn't invented hitstun dumb homosexual.

It sure did it more right than anything else, tied to insane weapon variety and tomovesets interacting in more interesting ways that remove spacing assistance and soft-lock and creating a more freeform combat

People do say Elden Ring is good for the content of its questlines, though they are critical of how vague the questlines can be to follow, characters like Ranni, Blaidd, Fia are often spoken about fondly and contribute a good deal to people's opinions about the game. It's obviously not the only thing people say is good about it, but it is one of them. That aside, I don't think it's unfair at all to say it was one of the things that made Demon's Souls special, again, if people didn't care for that kind of thing then a boss like Maiden Astraea wouldn't be one of the most popular in the game. I also wouldn't say From have completely abandoned any bosses with a consideration for narrative, but I do think it's something they've drifted away from, there are gimmicky bosses even in DS3, which was the game that made me agree with the sentiment that they were moving away from the things that made previous games interesting in favor of the action, but even with some gimmicky bosses, it still had such an abundance of action-focused bosses with a combat system that didn't lend itself to that focus that it didn't work out for me.

I like Deacons of the Deep more than Gael, when I got to Gael I had grown so tired of the combat that despite all the cool presentation, I felt very aware of the fact that I was just pressing circle and R1 on my controller. Obviously you're just pressing buttons in any game, but a game that engages you won't be so dull that you feel like you're just doing the rote action of performing the same actions a few times. I was so bored by what was supposed to be this big epic battle in DS3 because the combat was so tired that I couldn't even engage with the big finale beyond going through the motions. Even Deacons of the Deep surpassed it just by giving me the novelty of having lots of enemies. That's my problem with DS3 and he seemed to share the general feeling.

Gael is a mediocre boss because it lacks the interactivity and moveset designed to incentivize movement that half the boss roster of Dark Souls 3 does. That's why bosses like Midir, Twin Princes, Dancer, Aldrich, Dragonslayer Armor, Friede... instead are great since they feel unique to play against. But like with Matthewmatosis since there's no real understanding of what Souls bosses should be, partly because we didn't have decades of genre to set up standards, then the criticism is completely misplaced and translates towards "muh gimmick boss". This is an issue many Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 bosses have since Fromsoftware didn't develop their boss design overnight.

>Monster Hunter did it long before soulslop even born.
Except worse, a lot more scripted, and generally tied to hp damage to specific hitboxees like Bloodborne does, which is not as good as the stance system
>Monster Hunter never needed to include lock on too.
The ability to have the option to freely move without messing your targeting or having to turn the stick is why it controls a lot more accurately, yes
>They are one-trick ponies and you know that deep down too.
No, I know that you are mad that Fromsoftware developed, cultivated and expanded their own game design which is apprently too obtuse to you so you want them to twist it into a bastardized generic DMC clone. Unfortunately for you, you won't have it your way

I like most of the bosses you mention, aside from Midir who I felt everything I felt with Gael but worse, but the majority of the bosses in the game did not give me the feeling that Twin Princes did, for example. I liked Twin Princes because I thought the two bosses at once gave it an intensity that made it interesting, I think Friede is good as well because even though they've gone on to emphasize multiple phases even more, that Friede just kept going gave it a feeling of a test of endurance that I liked. The main thing I like about those fights is that when I think of them, I don't look back on just rolling and punishing and rolling and punishing and rolling and punishing until it ended or I got greedy/mistimed a roll and died. My problem with DS3 was that I did look back on most bosses and feel like it was exactly that, and that's boring. Those bosses are reliant on the core mechanics to be interesting which I don't think they are. You say that there are many bosses that feel great and unique to play against, but I think those bosses are the minority rather than the majority and the two ways I see to fix that are to rework the combat system, which I think Elden Ring did a bit to its benefit, or be like Demon's Souls and make more of an effort to give bosses a unique gimmick.

I don't like every boss in Demon's Souls, but I have to at least credit it and say that I don't just think of rolling and punishing when I think of fighting bosses in it, and I can't say that for DS3.

>but I think those bosses are the minority rather than the majority and the two ways I see to fix that are to rework the combat system, which I think Elden Ring did a bit to its benefit, or be like Demon's Souls and make more of an effort to give bosses a unique gimmick.
Elden Ring reworking combat is just one of the reason. A lot more effort went into making sure bosses enforce positioning through otherwise undodgeable combos, and that boss design fit for its new mechanics. An example being the use of area of effect so frequent but limited in area or directional

You are seething, that much I can tell.
Not every game needs to pander to everyone. You have a lot of mediocre generic action games where you press square, square, square, triangle

Like what, gay sex sims? lmao

>n-no u!
I accept your concession, troonyMatosis wienerslurper.

>A lot more effort went into making sure bosses enforce positioning through otherwise undodgeable combos, and that boss design fit for its new mechanics
For Elden Ring, I agree, and I said in the first post I made that I think Elden Ring's combat is good, but I still agreed with the video when I saw it because I think DS3 fails where Elden Ring succeeds. I don't think Elden Ring has the best combat ever, but it was good enough that plenty of bosses didn't fall into that same issue of just feeling like rolling and punishing.

Learn to read AT LEAST what you greentext, gay. And no, it's literally outdated, Bloodborne had it and it wasn't good enough so they resorking it into a universal cumulative poise with hitbox wide multipliers allowing for attack specific interactions (such a guaranteeing stagger from a fully charged attack on enemies on specific animation frames, but also rewarding the use of multiple sources of damage). Elden Ring did it so well no other series in the industry actually managed to make a 0 poise boss like Malenia and avoid so competently stunlock abuse thanks to hyperarmor

>not an argument
Not supposed to be an argument, it's a suggestion for you, you explained me how Monster Hunter hitstun works after quoting me saying the exact same thing
>why?
Because it doesn't lend itself any well to combat that isn't defined entirely by hitting big enemies. Elden Ring merges an universal stagger system that works on every kind of enemy design, from generally dictating the stability and resistance to stagger for various weapons of simple sword enemies of various sizes and levels of hyperarmor to having special modifiers that guarantee stagger by specific parts of larger enemies, including damaging body parts
>so timing your attack right is a specific interection?
There's very few games where you can completely shut down and deal extra damage to an enemy by simply attacking or applying proc or counterattacking in specific frames of its own attack animation

>ok? still I think it's much better than staggering a giant space rock horse with multiple dagger attacks
You can have both in Elden Ring, which is the whole point of the post. You can stagger a giant golem by overloading it with glintstone darts. This doesn't conflict with the fact that you can also hit its legs until it falls, it just adds to it, and the universal stagger bar that account for these alternative options and unique elemental interaction is indeed objectively superior, at the very least in terms of complexity/game design

>generic DMC clone
What's generic about DMC? There is nothing like it. All the soulslikes play and look the same
>Le dying medieval world
>Same control scheme
>Prepare to roll
Not even old GoW, Bayo or Ninja Gaiden plays like DMC and they have their own identity.

Bayonetta is the closest and even that's pretty different. Not just the setting but also gameplay-wise. You don't dial-a-combo in DMC or you don't have dodge offset.

He complains by omission ignoring everything that would destroy his argument.

He brings up Micolash a lot in those videos as I recall but still considers Bloodborne guilty of the same thing overall. The odd instance of something like Micolash or Vendrick doesn't invalidate the whole trend.

I would say Fool's Idol, Dragon's God, Tower Knight, Storm King, King Allant, Astraea, Old Monk and Old Hero all qualify as gimmicky bosses, and arguably others as well. When I think of Phalanx, I think of its strong weakness to fire as the thing that distinguishes it, when I think of Adjudicator I think of the weakness on its head and the arena designed to let you hit it. There are some bosses in Demon's Souls that are just straight combat, but when they come along they work well because they're unlike what you're used to. A boss doesn't have to have some unique item or gameplay mechanic associated with it to make it distinct, it can just be something like the Taurus Demon in Dark Souls. You could just roll and attack it, but if you mention that fight to anyone who has played Dark Souls they'll immediately think of the opportunity for the plunging attack you get by climbing back up. Things like that help give a boss an identity that they'll lack if every boss is just in an open area and you beat it just by learning to dodge its attacks and punish it.

>and the boss fights are mostly misleading animations that have built in delays to catch you rolling

The further problem with this is that rolling in itself was a meta-game thing where Dark and Demons never really intended players to use it, not the least at the cost of defense, so now it's like a meta part of the game that wasn't meant to be there but now the bosses are all built around it?

So instead of making good combat defense like Bloodborne's dodge or Sekiro's parry, you're just rolling around again.

Anon's point isn't that they won't have criticisms of it.
People have big criticism of DaS or DeS, which is the point of comparison.
It's that ER isn't
>A game enjoyed by everyone but loved by no one
When this board on its own shows otherwise with the frequent arguments involving people who do love the game.

>What we are talking about here is how the newer games shifted focus compared to the older ones and the consequences it had on the series as a whole.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
The response line I was following was from

>eventually all we'll have is a generic blob of a game, enjoyed by everyone, and loved by no one

Which rather than focusing on the priority shift itself was using that priority shift as a reason to claim Elden Ring is made to be generic and loved by no one.

Sounds like you are determined to do your routine.

I personally loved the exploration and combat more in ER than in any other souls game.
Looking into the distance to mark points of interest, charting a route across the map to explore the most area I can.
It just felt more engaging for the game to let me get lost and stumble around different areas rather than the previous's games approach where exploration mostly came down to taking different turns or checking below drop offs.

ER combat also just feels more engaging than any of the other games.
I genuinely enjoyed most major bosses in ER than in most other souls games and even mini-bosses like the crucible Knights really stand on their own and shine out.

I never really looked their way being Ubisoft open-world games, on top of an fps which I don't tend to play as much.
But I guess I can take a look.
Any in particular you would recommend?

>Sorry if I'm misunderstanding.
>The response line I was following was from
>

>eventually all we'll have is a generic blob of a game, enjoyed by everyone, and loved by no one

Yeah, I kind of jumped in and started rambling sorry.
It's because I felt that

>eventually all we'll have is a generic blob of a game, enjoyed by everyone, and loved by no one
this LITERALLY describes elden ring lol

was kind of misleading as a statement, and people kept saying that people who like DeS and DaS pretend they are perfect and can't be criticized.
In a sense, he is correct. I feel that the reason it was made open-world is because it's the hot thing at the moment, but it probably forced them to implement a jump button, and that gave us really great level design.

gonna be honest, i dont see anything that people would 'love' about elden ring that isn't done better than other souls games
people love fromsoft and the souls games, they don't love elden ring

You might be interested in a very narrow range of things, extremely self-centered, or just blind.

Combat

It isnt a zero sum issue anon. Fix your brain.

Ask the devs bozo

You have not given any reason that would be considered 'for its own sake'.
You also completely avoided answering the second question by just denying it outright.

They're fine just dont dodge until they actually attack like you are supposed to. I'm convinced the complainers are just low functioning morons and the game is too much for their impaired brains to handle. They've hit their cap mentally and the game demands non moronation to function and it upsets them.
It's like a wheelchair bound person seeing stairs and having a meltdown.

>rather than trying and failing to make engaging action combat
That seems to just be your opinion when ER seems to be very well regarded on that end.

No different from just saying
> It's just bad

>dodges the second he sees any sort of animation
It's not the game's fault you're an ADHD zoom zoom twitchy little moron.

Ok, then you're just not gonna answer.
>doubly moronic as they only exist to compensate for the increased skill levels of the fanbase
>Follow up game changes AI behaviour to cover a mechanical flaw
>This is a bad thing

>cheating unfair
You got made fun of for trying this already dont do it here too.

This is who from makes games for. They cant imagine having their roll spam and iframes taken away, but they wanna tell others to git gud lmao

These are players who unironically engage in Souls PvP as if it were Apex Legends or something. That's who the 'gitgud' posters are.

you are a moronic homosexual, that move is actually an homage to the gargoyles flying up in the air and loding the halberd for 3 seconds, which you could also dodge by running.

>Is if there were previous gameplay mechanics set up to reinforce it.
Even if we exclude stagger as a mechanic, stamina and positional attacks already reinforce delay attacks as a mechanical development.
Both of these allow a good player to build up their advantage against the boss by getting in a safe spot to attack from or building up more stamina to deal more damage.

While a player whose roll spamming won't be able to keep their stamina up as high, nor get as frequent opportunities to attack and will deal less damage in a longer period of time.

You can say wrong all you like those are the mechanical results.
Yes, the devs are changing the rules to mess with veteran players.
But it's not just to make the game harder, it also is to refine how the player interacts with the enemy AI even within the existing mechanics.

Did you really think the devs set Margit to do a slow-ass hammer swing in between constant attacks just because?
No, it is to show a clear opportunity where the delay is long enough that you can take advantage of it.
An advantage even if you're only aware of prior game mechanics because you can hit him or move around to bait an easy to respond to attack.

I'm gonna be honest, I never felt the meta-aspect to it.
To me, it felt fine especially as the game progressed and Margit's role was revealed.
Him being this figure that frequently held the wall to the goal of the tarnished made his fighting style feel appropriate.
Like all his meta components are a reflection of his battle experience against those seeking the throne.

As far as I know, he's also the boss most reliant on it no one else uses it to his extent.

moronic wannabe vidya essay drivel.
Sekiro "interactions" can be broken by simply delaying attack chains or deadzoning. Its level design is also utter garbage

>Redditspacing
lmao it literally is a Trantosis fanboy from YouTube

fromsoft has BY FAR the worst fans in the industry, even tendies and snoys aren't as obnoxious

See ya, troony

>that webm
wow.....looks completely boring
people play this crap?

>its good because its popular

(You)

Basically a pseud take on "we can't write any other kind of story because we are incompetent and don't know how"

This is what happens when shitters have to face Mendez without incendiary grenades (they don't work on him in the NTSC Gamecube version).

why do u have to be mad? its only game

I think we're talking about different things anon. the problem isn't the cycle itself but the fact that you're always on back facing the same problem. you mentioned the hero's journey and that's represented in a circle and that's because the adventurer/hero goes from the world he knows to the unknown world, outside of his comfort zone, and goes back to the world he knows. now imagine that you had him go in three adventures and in all of those three he learned the same lesson. that's how it feels with you playing dark souls 1 to 3. you're back in the same world, doing the same job of lighting the flame, just seeing the world decay more little by little

>It's different games so it isnt the same thing over and over
I'm specifically talking about the dark souls trilogy. sure they do basically the same thing on their other souls games but as long as they fill them with lore people will be ok with it

>3 separate games
? those games are, not exactly direct but mostly, sequels that reference each other. 3 being the culmination of a lot of cycles going on even

what are you taking about anon? I'm saying that there's a point where you can't keep going on about cycles if you're not going to change anything. those games aren't self contained and they have an overall narrative on the trilogy. my point is that with this structure there's only so much one person can take from the world before they get bored

>doing the same job of lighting the flame
How did you play ds2 thru 3 and still link the flame by 3? Like what the frick is your argument did you learn nothing playing?
They might feel the same to you because you do the same thing in all of them. Other people dont play like that. Most do multiple endings in every entry so the narrative never actually plays out the same.

>devolves into nihilism when pressured
Kek NGMI

>what nihilism
>we know it doesnt matter. None of it does
Okay schopenhauer time for your nappy.

>the games tell you that it doesn't matter. >*gets upset when they dont matter*
Personal problem. Like you said it's a running theme you only have yourself to blame after a point.

>resetera troon dilates again when he imagines another strawman that criticized his favorite game