hes busy getting brain meltdowns because of FF16.
His is deperately trying to shit onit on a daily basis.
He will finally die after the reviews are coming up, couple days before 22 june.
>Zodiark trancers confirmed to be mostly russians
But wait a moment >Zodiark >"Z"odiark >if you check the wiki you will find most people who use <<Z>> are Russian players
coincidence? I think not but it doesnt end here >emet-selch worships zodiark >Garleans worship Solus who is emet >Garleans are Russian >therefore they worship Zodiark as they worship emet they are the Z >Hrothgars are Ukranians by accent and Emet let his people nuke them
i have a feeling p9s might do that with the cracked arena during archaic rock breaker too. it feels like it stays for a LONG time on normal mode, i feel like there's a reason for that.
jobs the devs want you to play >tanks >melee >blm and mch
everything else doesn't fit the feel of being The Warrior Of Light and so the devs are going to continue to boil you like a frog making your class worse and worse till you stop playing it.
yeah white mage probably belongs on there too because both classes have been getting buffed in every single patch and getting either old much demanded moves brought back (dismantle) or having longstanding problems resolved (lilies being kind of a meme)
if they got rid of all the fricking hippy flower shit from white mage I could finally say I'd be happy with the job
at least I haven't had to pretend to tolerate the padjals for a few years now
it's a shit trope even if it's a callback, just like it's shit in other games
it's a real example of the ludonarrative dissonance buzzword
at least the fight spectacle was excellent, xiv is never a letdown on that front
i think euphrosyne fricking sucked
halone was nice and the siblings weren't terrible but nphica and menphina sucked shit
i thought the second raid tier sucked too but this one was great so hopefully thalia is good like aglaia
menphina was a goddess hatsune miku and that was hilarious
1 year ago
Anonymous
aesthetically she wasn't the worst but her fight was even under crystal tower mechanics
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't know what you're expecting, they haven't made difficult 24man raids since 4.5.
1 year ago
Anonymous
oh frick off ivalice wasn't good either
i even just said aglaia was great, and in fact it's a frickload better than every fight in that shit series outside of like 2
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well if you're going by mechanics then Ivalice is strictly better than anything since by a significant margin. Ivalice and Mhach and Dun Scaith were the only mechanically involved raids in any of the expansions.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>mechanics >Ivalice
you seem to mistake 2 good voice actors for interesting gameplay
>but when it was new
do tell me how awful diet-ozma was
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Shadowfetus
Oh okay, sorry, you could have just said your opinion was worthless from the start.
1 year ago
Anonymous
dun scaith puts me to sleep outside of the first boss
i hardly remember mhach tbh
1 year ago
Anonymous
see
>mechanics >Ivalice
you seem to mistake 2 good voice actors for interesting gameplay
>but when it was new
do tell me how awful diet-ozma was
for a game that does this shit all the time golbez is one of the least goofy example of this because he was visually fricked up and him being beaten up enough that the dragon is so weak he can force push it into the abyss is better then like, nobody moving to stop ilberd from summoning shinryu or the 100 other times everyone sits there and lets the evil plan happen
"we have to leave because our anti void rad suits are weakening" is also a better excuse for having to run away form the new threat then "zenos is just strong then niddhog, and then ranjit is just stronger then zenos somehow lol"
narratively speaking zenos is a threat to YOU, but ran'jit is a threat to the SCIONS and it's to nobody's immediate benefit that he dies since eulmore will shit its pants and hound you with the remainder of its entire military
naturally you roflstomp him when you're in the middle of raiding eulmore even while he's popping enshroud
1 year ago
Anonymous
This, Ranjit only beats you once because he finds an opening to exploit with a cheap shot, and that only downs you. You run away because you're just trying to secure Ryne and prolonging a fight so you can win the battle then have her get kidnapped by the Eulmore military anyway accomplishes nothing.
>for a game that does this shit all the time
It doesn't do this all the time and that's why people are annoyed by it. The entire story of this patch amounted to jack shit, a waste of our time both in game an out of the game.
To be fair we never fought Nidhogg at full power. When we kill him in the Aery, one of his eyes was buried with the first Azure Dragoon and Estinien was using the other. By the time we face him in the trial he's already dead and that's just the specter of his eternal seething.
And I guess with Ranjit there was that problem of the lightwarden's light gradually eroding your soul.
This but replace BLM with RDM. The WoL is a battle autist and it would make a lot more sense to combine melee and magic, like PLD.
As far as actual balance goes, RDM will permanently be in the cuckshed because muh dualcast verraise.
I would also argue BLU fits the battle autist fantasy, with the Masked Carnivale and learning the techniques of enemies. But that doesn’t really fit with the other jobs for obvious reasons.
Seriously guys, where do you think the arc is going to end? I'm guessing 13th somehow rejoin or get fix by the end of 6.5. There is no way writer is going to allow a planet full of sentient being to suffer in a limbo
>just saved the source and its reflections from total annihilation >we're lowering the stakes now and going back to good old adventures like heavensward >oh no the thirteenth's shard of zodiark of has merged with one of the first brood and created a giga voidsent that is threatening the source and its reflections!
i'm just tired
It's probably going to get unvoided or at least its inhabitants will be given some sense of normality that doesn't involve consuming each other. maybe they'll strike up a trade deal with radz at han and send curry through the rift on the moon
Anabesios is a great raid tier after abyssos sucked ass.
I could possibly say I enjoyed wild freaks more than any individual fight but it's definitely better overall, all 4 fights were good.
Golbez was pretty nice too,now they just need to round it out with zeromus.
I also think it's kind of funny we're partially doing what the ascians were going for in the first place, using the overflowing light from the first to counteract the darkness in the 13th.
>we're partially doing what the ascians were going for in the first place, using the overflowing light from the first to counteract the darkness in the 13th.
They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron. After the 13th got fricked by darkness they considered it unfit for a rejoining and moved on. Dumb lorelet.
then their plan was fricked from the start, so they could never have a full rejoining, which is why they were trying to counteract it with the first
they tell you this, Black person
>They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron.
Do your role quests. That's exactly what Mitron and Loghrif were doing on the First because their shards originate from the Thirteenth.
>They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron.
OH NO NO NO
Why are morons on Ganker always the most smug about shit they are objectively wrong over?
yes
even on my "dead" "no raiding" DC, PF is packed with people playing this awesome extreme
The MSQ was lame but the fights are excellent. Raidchads eating well.
I don't know why it's taken them this long to finally use that "animation experience" they keep talking about from hildibrand, but I suppose it's better late than never.
Clearly, I was the only person who enjoyed seeing the provisional government of the remaining Garlemald state assert some agency and independence in their future dealings with the rest of the Etheirys so that the healing can continue unabated after hundreds of years of bloodshed
What the frick is it with post-MSQ and regional politics? It's like whoever replaced Ishikawa saw "WHAT'S THEIR TAX POLICY?" shitposting and took it seriously.
I missed Ishikawa halfway through EW when we moved past engaging and emotional Final Days drama to chase a moronic fanservice bukkake in a time loop that obliterated every ounce of intrigue and complexity the Ancients could've had.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But she did the main story of ew
1 year ago
Anonymous
>intrigue and complexity
almost all of which would have already been wiped during shadowbringers if you paid attention to sidequest and npc dialogue in amaurot
there were already allusions to them being creatively barren, emotionally moronic and sitting with their thumbs up their asses while the planet burned in shadowbringers, elpis and beyond mostly just followed up on that
1 year ago
Anonymous
the amaroutines were morons since shb
you even had them talking about if they should bother to even help the people affected by the final days since it wasn't affecting them personally (yet)
Leaving enough hints in their dialogue to suggest they were not perfect gods but were instead very human-like if not much more apathetic but still leaving them shrouded in mystery is intriguing. Mystery is intriguing. Physically going there and having the story hold your hand while it hammers every aspect of their society into your brain removes intrigue. Now we just know they were tall spoiled brats.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>while it hammers every aspect of their society into your brain removes intrigue.
this isn't what happened but I'm sorry you're stupid enough to think that
1 year ago
Anonymous
we've seen basically nothing of them, hell we've only actually seen amaurot itself and one of its facilities which have sharlayan equivalents in old sharlayan, the forum, and the labyrinthos
1 year ago
Anonymous
the amaroutines were morons since shb
you even had them talking about if they should bother to even help the people affected by the final days since it wasn't affecting them personally (yet)
1 year ago
Anonymous
I take it you did not enjoy meeting Mom.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Sunders the entire world not because it's the right thing to do or because she has a plan to ward off the forces that assail Etheirys, but because a midget came from the future to tell her to do it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not only that, but it was the midget's fault the ancients resorted to Hydaelyn and Zodiark. If you hadn't gone back in time, things could've been just fine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>things could've been just fine
For another generation or two until the Ancients ran out of things to accomplish and collectively self-terminated
1 year ago
Anonymous
Who cares.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's wrong to do with your life what you want
You're the type of person that would keep your parents alive at all costs even if they were begging you to let them die.
1 year ago
Anonymous
sorry m8 the nibirun are explicitly written to be an ancient parallel, if zodiark wasn't summoned to defend them it'd probably have been summoned eventually to kill them
i don't make the rules
1 year ago
Anonymous
You mean the people that only became crazy after Meteion fricked them over?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Nibirun were already completely apathetic, and Meteion didn't introduce anything but a question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and Meteion didn't introduce anything but a question.
are we going to start pretending that doesn't matter now?
but anyway the nibiruns were fine, do your tribe quests they got over it with some coffee and the eas telling them they were morons
1 year ago
Anonymous
no i mean the people that were asked a child's existential question and literally all killed themselves afterwards
1 year ago
Anonymous
The nibiruns got cheered up by some coffee and the power of friendship, and they only started killing themselves after twitter asked them what they were doing with their life.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The nibiruns got cheered up by some coffee and the power of friendship,
*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
*literal machines are less up their own ass than the nibirun at this time
1 year ago
Anonymous
>*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
yea the power of friendship, like I said (which is what dynamis is, anyway)
meteion was a dyanmis battery and pushed them over the edge to kill themselves, then you use dynamis to tell them to chill out
1 year ago
Anonymous
By Meteion's account and the Nibiruns' own account she didn't actually do shit, she asked them a question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She didn't do shit, she just did shit
I know this is expecting a bit much to expect some basic emotional literacy on Ganker but you do understand that "just asking a question" can set someone off, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Care to tell me what it was she did, anon
Because I said what she did and then you straight up ignored it to pretend you had a gotcha
No, asking a culture a question that is completely innocuous and even a little stupid is not a reasonable cause for planet-scale suicide
Let's not pretend for even a moment that the Nibirun were supposed to be emotionally stable if Meteion hadn't appeared, because that's contradicting the story outright
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No, asking a culture a question that is completely innocuous and even a little stupid is not a reasonable cause for planet-scale suicide
It is not a reasonable cause for an emotionally well adjusted people, but that is not what they were. Saying she "did nothing" is lying, though.
1 year ago
Anonymous
She asked a question.
If you want to get snippy about whether she literally didn't do anything, look at the Global Citizens' world where all she did was existed in their general proximity
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, she asked a question, which set them off. They were far from "fine" but they weren't killing themselves until she set them off.
An example you COULD use would be the ea, who decided that suicide would be better than eternal life since ther was no "true" eternal life due to the heath death of the universe (and they assumed there's no way around that).
This isn't getting into the topic of the nibiruns=ancients and if they would go full crazy later on, just specifically on what meteion did to the nibiruns.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The nibiruns got cheered up by some coffee and the power of friendship,
*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
*literal machines are less up their own ass than the nibirun at this time
>*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
yea the power of friendship, like I said (which is what dynamis is, anyway)
meteion was a dyanmis battery and pushed them over the edge to kill themselves, then you use dynamis to tell them to chill out
By Meteion's account and the Nibiruns' own account she didn't actually do shit, she asked them a question.
>She didn't do shit, she just did shit
I know this is expecting a bit much to expect some basic emotional literacy on Ganker but you do understand that "just asking a question" can set someone off, right?
The recreated beings in Ultima Thule count for nothing because they're all just made of Dynamis, which flows according emotion.
Because WoL and the loporrit are the only true living beings there, all the Dynamis-copies are just influenced by their emotions and desires, which is to see everybody be happy and get along.
None of those things have free will, they're just puppets dancing on your strings.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The recreated beings in Ultima Thule count for nothing because they're all just made of Dynamis,
(EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER)
Go do your Omicron quests
1 year ago
Anonymous
They say they're real boys, but they're absolutely not. They're fundamentally different beings from any living things on Etheirys, ghosts covered by a mold of dynamis.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they're absolutely not
(EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't care + eat this steaming buuz moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
is that shit inside of it?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>white people have never seen food with color in it
1 year ago
Anonymous
looks like doodoo s
1 year ago
Anonymous
>wippeedoo shiieet
1 year ago
Anonymous
By all means, don't let people have any agency and allow them to do what they feel is best for themselves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
"noooo they have the right to all kill themselves because they're emotionally stunted manchildren!"
1 year ago
Anonymous
What are you implying? It is wrong for people to end their existence if they feel there is no longer any reason to live? Who are you to say they must continue to suffer existence if it is nothing but pain to them?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It is wrong
yes
i am not accepting any arguments on this
you are wasting your finger strength arguing to a brick wall
do not force me to call you the zodiark word
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it is wrong >i will not debate the issue
Even Varis debated the savages.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Varis was also a moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then I guess the smart thing to do when you're wrong is to not debate.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes Varis did shit in the pot by giving his insane conspiracy theory on how the sundering worked
1 year ago
Anonymous
>my master plan against the ascians? heh I'm going to do exactly what they want.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST STOP ME FROM KILLING MYSELF THIS IS GENOCIDE
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You are going to die in x amount of time maybe >That's okay though because I can save you from that >By killing you and everyone else now so that you don't die in x amount of time
1 year ago
Anonymous
She tried. Even as the world was turning into shit, she was outright begging the homosexuals in Amaurot to just man up and accept that suffering is a part of life.
But they were "noooo muh paradise" to listen to reason.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>She tried. Even as the world was turning into shit, she was outright begging the homosexuals in Amaurot to just man up and accept that suffering is a part of life.
How come everytime someone points out that Venat's behaviour can only really be described as deranged, some moron butts in with an imaginary scenario he states as fact?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did you not see the fricking flashback after you leave Elpis? Or are you parroting what your trooncer discord told you to?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's literally a cutscene in the game you dumb frick.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not only that, but it was the midget's fault the ancients resorted to Hydaelyn and Zodiark. If you hadn't gone back in time, things could've been just fine.
>it's wrong to do with your life what you want
You're the type of person that would keep your parents alive at all costs even if they were begging you to let them die.
moronic cutscene skippers. The entire reason she resorted to sundering was because the ancients wanted to sacrifice new innocent life to bring back those who sacrificed themselves to create zodiark and fix the planet. Had they not gone full moron trying to bring back sacrificed peoples, everything would have been fine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That new life didn't include ancients themselves, they were the ones to save and bring it back in the first place, it was within their right to sacrifice it to bring back actual lives
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it was within their right
It literally wasn't.
Everything would've been fine before that if the WoL hadn't gone back in time and fricked with past events.
That's fricking false. The original story as painted had Venat's splinter rebellion because they wanted to sacrifice new life to bring back the old and the new life didn't get a say in this. Stop skipping dialogue.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It literally wasn't.
It quite literally was.
No, lives of plants and animals don't matter more than lives of actual people. Now do the world a favor, spare everyone your hippie bullshit and have a nice day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
There are other sentient races in the ancient world than amaurotines you fricking spastic. Who the flying frick do you think Azem was charged with learning about and interacting with? The amaurotines don't get to decide their lives are forfeit just because 75% of their population decided to become sacrifices, that isn't fair.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There are other sentient races in the ancient world than amaurotines you fricking spastic.
There are none, you fanfic writing moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Explain Azem's role in the convocation then.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Learning about and interracting with other amaurotians across the fricking planet. You know, kind of how WoL does it thoughout the story.
And no, you don't get to hide behind hypotheticals and imaginary bullshit.
Actual evidence that there were other sentient races on Eitherys before hydaelyn split everyone. From the game.
Now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>with other amaurotians across the fricking planet.
then they aren't amaurotians you fricking dense Black person >Actual evidence
read the web stories, you should at least know about them from the meme grapes, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Actual. Evidence. From. The. Game.
Black person.
The tales from the shadows make no mention of other races. Only of other people living outside the city of Amaurot. Whom were all Ancients.
Emet explains to you how different races came about as a result of the sundering in ShB you actual cretin.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Actual. Evidence. From. The. Game.
It's not in the game you illiterate monkey, or are you going to go full moron and pretend those aren't canon?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The tales from the shadows make no mention of other races. Only of other people living outside the city of Amaurot. Whom were all Ancients.
Then my point is still valid you fricking moron since only the ones living in amaurot decided to summon zodiark and they were prepared to sacrifice all the other """ancients""" living on the rest of the planet to bring their friends back without giving them a say. Fricking checkmate b***h, have a nice day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They weren't about to sacrifice ancients you actual mouthbreather.
It doesn't even make any sense for them to try because there's less fricking ancients and there were those sacrificed.
Take your head out of your ass and stop regurgitating shitposts you've read in these threads.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only amaurotines had a hand in summoning and utilizing zodiark. The convocation didn't rule the entire planet you dense frick.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Learning about and interracting with other amaurotians across the fricking planet. You know, kind of how WoL does it thoughout the story.
And no, you don't get to hide behind hypotheticals and imaginary bullshit.
Actual evidence that there were other sentient races on Eitherys before hydaelyn split everyone. From the game.
Now.
You're actually moronic. Azem is literally charged with exploring the world and interacting/learning about the myriad of people's that inhabit it. Stop skipping cutscenes. Shit dude we literally have a canon short story about Azem making a point to save an island from a volcanic eruption because people lived there who weren't amaurotines and the convocation was content to just watch die. Frick you're stupid. If that island was inhabited by amaurotines, they wouldn't have just let them die. They would have evacuated them at bare fricking minimum.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's the "pre-sundering Eitherys was totally populated by many races even though there's no mention of them at any point in the game" dipshit again
1 year ago
Anonymous
Read the volcano story you moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Actual. Evidence. From. The. Game.
It's not in the game you illiterate monkey, or are you going to go full moron and pretend those aren't canon?
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_07/#sidestory_07
Here's the story.
Find the exact quote that even remotely implies there are other races beside the ancients.
Go ahead, try to spin a single line from it and put on display for everyone just how deluded you are.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>There are other sentient races in the ancient world than amaurotines you fricking spastic.
There are none, you fanfic writing moron.
There are other cities besides Amaurot, who might not have had any place in discussing the plan considering we see that even motherfrickers from Amaurot like Eric had no say in it. They were still Ancients, though, and probably the exact same race, just from different cities.
Not different races, but different cities and groups who probably got fricked over all the same.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The original story
Son, the original story would not have been original if you had not gone back in time and altered it. Or rather, the original story would have been something else because the story you're recounting is the altered story that resulted from your time travel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the original story would not have been original if you had not gone back in time and altered it
The only alternate past in the whole game is G'raha Tia's and even his is a timeline aberration that shouldn't have happened and shouldn't have continued
Source: Elidibus remembers you in Pandaemonium so he sends you back to Elpis during MSQ
Please read By His Bootstraps, another story where time travel never resulted in any alternate history
1 year ago
Anonymous
G'raha Tia's alternate timeline only goes back as far as G'raha remembers. While it would make sense the rest of the history of his timeline is the same, you can't exactly say that. For example, if the WoL did not go back in time to tell Venat the future, then she DID have agency and would've nonetheless rebel against the Zodiark faction. However, that means going back in time and telling everyone the future did absolutely nothing to alter the past and as we all know, going back into the past either changes the future or is necessary to produce the future the time traveler came from.
And Elidibus only remembers you cause you went back in time. He would not have remembered you if you did not go back in time. And By His Bootstraps has nothing to do with traveling back into the past. It has everything to do with a closed loop. Which is what happens when the WoL travels back in time, not what would happen if the WoL did not travel back in time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It doesn't matter. The fact is Venat's rebellion would've happened anyway because half the remaining population didn't agree with sacrificing new life to bring back the old.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's not the point. You assume Zodiark would've happened originally even though the WoL was the reason why Emet, Hythlo and Hermes got their memories of Metion erased. The WoL's present is also why Venat kept the future a secret. You're not going back far enough in the disruption of the timeline.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You assume Zodiark would've happened originally even though the WoL was the reason why Emet, Hythlo and Hermes got their memories of Metion erased.
why wouldn't it have happened, the point of their memories being erased was it returned them to a status quo
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why wouldn't have Emet, Hythlo and Venat chased Hermes down his dungeon fighting off monsters and then himself in a pitched battle that required 4 persons with only the three of them result in the exact same events that would lead to Emet, Hythlo and Hermes getting their memories erased but not Venat? I think you don't understand how alternate potential timelines work or how the statue quo is always present in a closed time loop.
Anon that literally is the fricking point. In G'raha's timeline the WoL fricking dies before he can go back in time. This means that Venat's rebellion and the sundering would have happened whether we went back or not.
That means that there is no closed time loop in the prime timeline and the WoL going back in time, telling everyone their future, convincing Venat to search out the past of Herme's research with Meteion had ZERO impact on any events in Elpis. That's a bit hard to believe. That's more like that movie series Final Destination where the cast can NEVER escape their deaths no matter what they do and what they know of their future.
If that is the nature of the world of Etheirys, then nothing the WoL or anyone else does matters because the result will always be the same.
1 year ago
Anonymous
i asked why zodiark wouldn't have been summoned, i didn't ask for an unrelated question about a gameplay contrivance for elpis's dungeon
1 year ago
Anonymous
Zodiark was only summoned because the Ancients did not know they were under a Dynamis attack from the Endsinger. Had they know that, they could've devised a way to address the core cause of the Final Days instead of producing the Zodiark which dealt only with its symptoms.
1 year ago
Anonymous
an aether shield thrown up by zodiark would not have been an appropriate response to a dynamis attack? >they could've devised a way to address the core cause of the Final Days
and then if they somehow got to ultima thule they would have been choked out by meteion because they don't have thin enough aether to be able to interact with dynamis besides passive emotional influence like with the flowers turning black from hermes wanting to kill himself, they literally could not touch a spaceship down anywhere because it took thancred's hope-juice to make ultima thule into a solid place where they could all walk around
your next line will be "they could just make something that CAN interact with dynamis" and that's exactly why they're in the predicament they are, something hermes made that can interact with dynamis is trying to fricking kill them
1 year ago
Anonymous
let's say some alien visitors come to etheyris, they are capable of interstellar travel and somehow seem unaffected by meteion's influence
well, more like one alien comes with many children
would those aliens be good candidates to go fight meteion, assuming you somehow got her exact location?
1 year ago
Anonymous
let's keep this within the bounds of the game and not a hypothetical "you win" button turning up on their doorstep
1 year ago
Anonymous
ok so let's say humans can create a certain type of ward or charm that protects against meteion's influence as well as tempering
however they discover that the charm is made out of the material of a certain creature
a creature capable of interstellar travel and that has been on etheyris for millennia
1 year ago
Anonymous
auracite doesn't do that, be direct about what you're trying to say instead of leading me on for multiple posts just so i can shit on it anyways
the only known auracite in the time of the ancients turned athena into a much much crazier woman
1 year ago
Anonymous
ok why the frick was midgardsormr not employed by venat to actually strike at the heart of the problem and was instead left to see his children be captured, tortured, killed, sent to the void and turned into moons by the ascians, who weren't even the real enemy
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dragons are incredibly emotional to a ludicrous point. They're not unaffected by dynamis.
1 year ago
Anonymous
midgardsormr isn't strong enough to actually solve that, that homie got merced by a big ceruleum explosion. his immediate daughter azdaja is corrupted by the void mere seconds after a protective barrier is brought down and she wasn't in the void for very long before exhaustion and corruption settled in
Because Venat was an ancient and would've have fricking died trying since she can't manipulate dynamis you dialogue skipping moron. Even Midgardsormr is powerless against the endsinger.
ah ok so the solution is to keep them around in etheyris so they get slaughtered by the allagan empire (created by the ascians)
to get slaughtered by the dragonsong war (orchestratedd by the ascians)
even thugh they were the first actual hope to actually solve the problem since millennia
if someone were to tell hraesvelgr that there was a tracker on the bird for 13000 years I doubt he will take it as well as vrtra
1 year ago
Anonymous
the first brood could have left at any time
1 year ago
Anonymous
midgardsormr isn't strong enough to actually solve that, that homie got merced by a big ceruleum explosion. his immediate daughter azdaja is corrupted by the void mere seconds after a protective barrier is brought down and she wasn't in the void for very long before exhaustion and corruption settled in
1 year ago
Anonymous
>his immediate daughter azdaja is corrupted by the void mere seconds after a protective barrier is brought down and she wasn't in the void for very long before exhaustion and corruption settled in
bro what the frick are you talking about she's been trapped for a good few eras and has been constantly drained since
1 year ago
Anonymous
jesus christ i shouldn't need to tell you to watch *this patch's* events again
1 year ago
Anonymous
she went into the void to try and stop the invasion, failed because there were effectively infinite voidsent there, and then willingly got trapped there for ages so she didn't eventually turn into a voidsent
what part of this do you not get?
1 year ago
Anonymous
what part of the fricking barrier keeping her from turning did you miss, she panics the moment it goes down and golbez is laughing maniacally about what it'll do to her
1 year ago
Anonymous
The void energies seep in with even the slightest scratch on the surface of the warding scales, which is why they had that whole thing with getting the Ironworks to make protective casing for them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
she would've been done much earlier if Golbez didn't offer her a deal
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because Venat was an ancient and would've have fricking died trying since she can't manipulate dynamis you dialogue skipping moron. Even Midgardsormr is powerless against the endsinger.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>she can't manipulate dynamis
Ancients can manipulate dynamis. That's literally what magic is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No it isn't you fricking moron. Magic is aether, dynamis is a wholly different form. You literally skipped 80% of the dialogue in endwalker if you arrived at this conclusion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ancients can manipulate dynamis. That's literally what magic is.
Did you just start playing this game fricking yesterday?
>Magic is aether, dynamis is a wholly different form.
Magic is aether+dynamis. This is literally the basis for the pajeetiphants theorizing dynamis exists, because they propose some force must act as the mechanism for how aether can be manipulated by people to create magical effects.
Why the frick do cutscene skippers always accuse others of skipping cutscenes?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's literally fricking false you moron. The only dynamis utilization we are capable of is fricking limit breaks. Magic is aether, wholly aether. They literally spell this fricking out for you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The only dynamis utilization we are capable of is fricking limit breaks
That's not it either, limit breaks are also aether.
Nothing in WoL's arsenal uses dynamis.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Nothing in WoL's arsenal uses dynamis
dude the entire omega ultimate revolves around him figuring out limit break juice and you start limit breaking too in response
1 year ago
Anonymous
No. It doesn't. That's a lie you've read here and for some insane reason keep on regurgitating.
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's false. When you LB against Endsinger she literally shits herself about you using Dynamis and when describing Dynamis, they straight up tell you it's a limit break.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did you miss the Endsinger literally saying that you used Dynamis to survive the fight against her?
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's false. When you LB against Endsinger she literally shits herself about you using Dynamis and when describing Dynamis, they straight up tell you it's a limit break.
Consider yourself reminded.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That the three Ancient trusts get a unique buff showing they're using a limit break that no other trust in the game uses, implying something is out of the ordinary for them?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You use Dynamis to amplify existing abilities that require aether when you're using an LB moron. I don't know how you completely missed the ingame EW dialogue that straight tells you this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The buff is pretty blatantly noncanon, and only there to allow them as Trusts to execute LBs. They're the only Trust characters in the entire game that use that "Limit Breaker" buff.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thanks for proving me right moron. The ancients don't use existing LBs and can't manipulate Dynamis due to how much aether they have, so they use something else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The ancients don't use existing LBs
The webm quite literally has her using ranged LB.
So much for the LBs are totally dynamis bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Explain the Limit Breaker buff that's unique to the three ancients.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It exists to piss you off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
But I'm not mad about it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You evidently are.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you going to tell me he was faking it too? You're being a dumbass, the limit breaker debuff LITERALLY says they're "breaking their limits".
1 year ago
Anonymous
No bro... it's like uh... yeah he totally developed ability to use dynamis because uh.....
AIIIEEEEE VENAT SAVE ME
Lbs were aether until they decided they weren't in 6.0 because they can't stop themselves from retconning stuffs
It's actually embarrassing that it took this long for someone to clock that in.
1 year ago
Anonymous
considering he's limit breaking almost constantly through the fight i don't think he's actually doing that
i think he's doing the same thing omega did where he's pumping huge amounts of aether into similar effects to limit breaks
1 year ago
Anonymous
>trying to use actual evidence in xiv threads
lmao this guy
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Magic is aether, wholly aether
moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ancients can manipulate dynamis. That's literally what magic is.
Did you just start playing this game fricking yesterday?
1 year ago
Anonymous
you have to realize, Trancers will say literally anything they need to to not be wrong, even if it's a bold faced lie easily disproven by watching literally one cutscene
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are correct! You see, Venat and her faction created Hydaely which sundered the Ancients into the Sundered. The WoL, the Scions, etc are all products of the Ancients. Hydaelyn created beings able to defeat Meteion. But only because Venat was aware of the true threat to Etheirys.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That also took around 12,000 years of culture, war, and persecution to develop the circumstances that'd lead the planet's pre-eminent warrior to have trials to overcome while having the emotional fortitude to not give up.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No problem! Since time flowed different on the various shards created from the sundering, that means they were not uniform and were byproducts of the sundering process. A byproduct that could be manipulated. Sacrifice 25% of the Ancient population on a single shard with the time flow sped up and you can produce as many WoLs as you like.
1 year ago
Anonymous
*Sacrifice 25% of the Amaurot population because the rest of the planet was on fire and 75% of Amaurot had been sacrificed to Zodiark
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ah, you're still not going back far enough. Once Venat, Emet and Hythlo discovered the truth of the matter with Hermes and Meteion, they could've avoided memory erasure and gone to the Convocation before the Final Days had begun. Still whole, 25% would've been a much smaller sacrifice for their society than what they would end up doing with Zodiark.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>25% of the planet's population < 75% of Amaurot
dude what
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh, fine. 25% of Amourot.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That means that there is no closed time loop in the prime timeline and the WoL going back in time, telling everyone their future, convincing Venat to search out the past of Herme's research with Meteion had ZERO impact on any events in Elpis. That's a bit hard to believe.
Yes anon that's 100% how it's written. Elidibus even told you that you'd be unable to alter the future by going back and could only learn information by doing so. We went back so we could learn about Meteion as we lacked answers at the time. Going back changed nothing, G'raha's timeline is evidence of that. If G'raha's alternate future didn't exist, you'd have a point but that is too significant to ignore. If what we did in Elpis changed the future, then the WoL being killed before we could go to Elpis should have caused an irreparable time paradox but it didn't.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The WoL went back in time and played an integral role in the events in Elpis that would lead to the circumstances resulting in the creation of Zodiark and Hydaelyn. You tried your best NOT to inform the past of the future for fear of altering the future, your present. It was clear what the stakes were for going back in time and being part of the team that would end up battling Hermes for the information that you needed. That's hardly a non-intervention in the past. The WoL clearly persisted in altering the past.
However, if you believe there was ZERO impact in what the WoL did and that the G'raha timeline also unfolded with the exact same results, then both timelines arrived at the same events regardless of the actions the WoL took. Which means that the WoL could have gone back in time, killed everyone there, and things would've been the same. Because clearly, the impact of the WoL is nonexistent.
That's the problem with this idea that the WoL had ZERO impact. It's then possible to concoct any sort of scenario for the WoL to perform in the past and no matter how outrageous, it should all end up the same. That's just not how time travel works.
But there's a problem with G'raha's timeline. It is the only example of an alternative timeline. If the death of the WoL can cause a split in timelines, then the WoL's actions in the past should also as well. In the case of the prime timeline, it worked out as a closed loop, but in the case of G'raha Tia's timeline, it should, as you say, cause an irreparable time paradox.
And that may have very well happened. As you may recall, we did not learn about Alt Hist G'raha until he pulled us into the 1st. Before that, we had no idea he and his timeline existed. As far as we know, the death of the WoL created not only G'raha's timeline, but also others. In fact, there's the possibility there are infinite timelines branching from every point in history if we are to make sense of the G'raha's timeline persisting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're reading way too much into this dude. Our meddling literally changed nothing because of two simple facts: >Hermes, Emet, and Hyth all had their memories wiped
And >Venat would have rebelled regardless of if she knew about Meteion or not
The second one is supported by dialogue in Amaurot that says Venat's rebellion was because of too much being sacrificed to Zodiark. Our meddling had two effects. One of these being that Venat now knew about Meteion, but this didn't altar her destiny in any meaningful way. The second being that we now had knowledge of Meteion to bring back to the present. This is the takeaway. I'm not saying this is good writing, but this is how it was written. The closed loop argument simply cannot work because G'raha's alternate timeline should have fricking exploded as soon as the WoL died due to the paradox but it didn't. It continued long enough for him to go back in time and cross to the first.
Now, I will say there's one other issue with this theory. That being the loporrits and the moon being a space-fairing vessel. Why would Hydaelyn have constructed this if she didn't know about Meteion? It's a bit of a plot hole, but we can assume she did so because there was a chance Zodiark would possibly be destroyed some day and if that were to happen, the Final Days may have returned and necessitated mankind leaving Etheirys regardless of if they knew the cause or not.
Regardless of all this, I think we can both agree on one thing: this writing is shit and we're both just trying to make it make sense with the shit pile we've been handed.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Had you not gone back in time, their memories wouldn't have been wiped and Venat rebelling is only if the Zodiark faction came into being.
And, technically, in a branching timeline scenario, the prime timeline WoL went back in time to produce the past G'raha Tia's timeline was based on. However, when the time came for G'raha Tia's WoL to go back in time didn't happen, another split occurs at a point in Elpis 12,000 years ago. That timeline is the product of what happened in G'raha Tia's alternate timeline future.
I think the only issue with the whole time travel thing is managing the alternative timeline with a closed loop. Elpis is clearly the Alexander raids storyline recycled, but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny with the existence of G'raha Tia's timeline. That said, I think I did a fairly good job of it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Had you not gone back in time, their memories wouldn't have been wiped
What? Had we not gone back in time their memories wouldn't have had to be wiped at all because they wouldn't have learned about the final days. >and Venat rebelling is only if the Zodiark faction came into being.
Which it would have, as a result of the final days.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Which it would have, as a result of the final days.
It doesn't work because the devs literally said that Emet and co only survived because Venat specifically made the Sundering in a way that allowed them to survive, because she knew they needed to do everything they end up doing in the future. Which can't happen if she has no foreknowledge of the future.
Also Pandaemonium can't happen without Azem's foreknowledge and WoL's meddling either, meaning Lahabrea and Elidibus would probably both be dead.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the devs literally said that Emet and co only survived because Venat specifically made the Sundering in a way that allowed them to survive, because she knew they needed to do everything they end up doing in the future. Which can't happen if she has no foreknowledge of the future.
I'm gonna need you to cite a source on that one because it sounds like bull shit to me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I demand lorelets to catch up.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They wouldn't have learned about the Final Days had we not gone back in time, but they would've learned about Meteion, about Dynamis, and about Hermes report from Meteion. And the Final Days only occurs if the Convocation is unaware of the cause of it. They think its due to the world falling apart when it was due to Meteion. Now, how would they come about discovering all of these important bits of information? That's the hard part, but it's do able.
Emet and Hythlo were already on their way to go see Hermes to recruit him into becoming one of the 12 convocation members. That would've come to pass and they would've met Meteion and be introduced to Dynamis as well. This is after the WoL enters the stage, but before the WoL spills the beans on the future. Emet, as one of the foremost Ancients in Amaurot, is proud about knowing about everything there is to know of the universe. But when Hermes began describing Dynamis to him, he was caught completely unaware. He would surely dig deeper into this phenomenon until he learned of its nature, especially when he finds out what Hermes has been up to with Meteion after Hermes receives his report from her sisters. While Hermes may try to hide that part from the rest of Amaurot, Emet would be aware of Hermes dealings with Meteion and Dynamis and wish to seek an explanation as to why a creation of Hermes, built with the ability explore the stars was created. However, you may think Hermes more determined to hide his secret than Emet would be to discover it. But recall it was YOU, the Warrior of Light, whom Hermes shared his inner most feelings with and whom helped give Hermes the conviction to believe in himself. Without you, his otherwise timid nature would've relented to the pressure of Emet and the Convocation to reveal all he knows about Meteion and be convinced to assist in saving the world with his knowledge of Dynamis.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon that literally is the fricking point. In G'raha's timeline the WoL fricking dies before he can go back in time. This means that Venat's rebellion and the sundering would have happened whether we went back or not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Everything would've been fine before that if the WoL hadn't gone back in time and fricked with past events.
1 year ago
Anonymous
how did you miss the entire point of the ancients being on the path of self destruction via apathy?
thats the entire point of the last phase of the Endsinger dungeon, did you think Ra-la was just there to look pretty? >There was a time when we yearned to explore the heavens, found purpose in the hope of unveiling life's mysteries. A dream shattered when we reached enlightenment, and found it empty. There was a time when we believed in our legacy, thought ourselves marking a worthy path our successors might follow. Efforts rendered futile when we discovered the keys to paradise and immortality. As individuals we struggled to know what was right, yet in today's perfect unity there is naught left to question. We are infinity constricted by the finite, but no more─Ra-la shall grant us the mercy of annihilation.
if Venat doesn't sunder the world, that is how the ancients end.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Meeting Venat in Elpis destroyed her character by taking a heroic rebel who actually gambled on doing the right thing against all odds into someone who was just sucking WoL's wiener and doing what he said because she really wanted to hear another sidequest retelling. It killed her agency in everything.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You've finally realized. You were the real villain.
Literally the weakest "major/content patch" they've ever had.
No, nothing has saved FFXIV. It's still a sub par MMORPG that somehow rakes in tons of money because all it does is ride on the clout and coat tails of the franchise it's named after instead of its own merits and the people who play it are too stupid to tell the difference.
Inns are objectively better than houses since you can use your dresser there and the beds function.
t. has had a house for a year and has had zero use for it after decorating it
>He doesn't let his wol actually sleep when he logs out and just has them stand in the void
cringe
You can always queue late JP boat if you want full control, that's how I caught my last few blue fish. But it's more fun to have the full crew of 24 fishers if you're not sweating a specific catch/cheevo
You do kraut boats instead of JP. Or at least that's what I've always seen. I actually caught my last blue fish on a full boat I slept through the first boat for, got on the late one and managed to get coral manta after a good few tries. The new ones look nice though I'm disappointed we don't have The Big One. Maybe if they add more routes since there's just the 2
>He doesn't let his wol actually sleep when he logs out and just has them stand in the void
cringe
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You do kraut boats instead of JP. Or at least that's what I've always seen. I actually caught my last blue fish on a full boat I slept through the first boat for, got on the late one and managed to get coral manta after a good few tries. The new ones look nice though I'm disappointed we don't have The Big One. Maybe if they add more routes since there's just the 2
forgot picture, but yeah I have no use for the bed in the inn room.
You can always queue late JP boat if you want full control, that's how I caught my last few blue fish. But it's more fun to have the full crew of 24 fishers if you're not sweating a specific catch/cheevo
>Put my Sothis in a canvas
Frick, should I just last minute queue for a boat to control the spectral? It's a higher chance to get spectral if you have less players?
I'm like 1 out of 6 for blue fishes.
inns are actually better than houses for a variety of reasons
FSHchads did you catch anything yet?
I like the split ocean route system for now, but I worry about how it will affect party sizes in later patches.
I was expecting them to be on the off hour to get around that, kind of lame they didn't do that.
Do you know what the gathering needed for the new normal fish is? Apparently the gathering for the big fish is lower but I wasn't gonna test it unless I was sure.
You can always queue late JP boat if you want full control, that's how I caught my last few blue fish. But it's more fun to have the full crew of 24 fishers if you're not sweating a specific catch/cheevo
>Enter golbex farm >Can't even get 1 kill beause there's always some fricking moron that dies just before double meteors
I want to strangle half of the playerbase
>play as a healer >don’t blow your mitigation cooldowns on dark whatever >blow ALL of them on tower/spread
Grats now you can enter meteors with 8 morons alive. Literally start casting cure3 as soon as you dodge the aoe. They’ll still die on gale 2 tho.
First time trying to make some cash in patch week, I only earned 10 mil but I didn't get into crafting really. I imagine making gear/potions there are people clearing 50+ mil this week?
I passed 200 on the first day and have pushed around 50 every day since, I'm not going as hard as I usually do though. It's really as simple as buying materials, making gear, and listing said gear. The important thing is to put in as much effort as possible this week and even next week because the RMT bots take over once sale speed slows down.
Someone claimed in these threads he made 500 mil. I don't really want to deal with bots and script kiddies so I just made my solo FC and rely on that
I passed 200 on the first day and have pushed around 50 every day since, I'm not going as hard as I usually do though. It's really as simple as buying materials, making gear, and listing said gear. The important thing is to put in as much effort as possible this week and even next week because the RMT bots take over once sale speed slows down.
Frick I must be doing something wrong. I've only made about 5 mil since thursday, which is enough to recoup what I put into the gear before the patch, but still.
Three months from now people will be back online complaining about content drought after playing the game for hundreds of hours since the patch dropped.
It's an eternal cycle.
There was nothing wrong with the previous patches, people are just incapable of having lives beyond the game
P11 saved the patch. Also, >garlean higher ups wearing dungeon gear from a humid as frick dungeon >no lore or whatever to prove any sort of hostilities or negotiations that would result in said gear being in vrtra's vault
Further proof of Endwalker being a hodgepodge of an expansion. God I can't wait for the msq to get retconned.
>no lore or whatever to prove any sort of hostilities or negotiations that would result in said gear being in vrtra's vault
Huh? Garlemald and Radz-at-Han have always had trade. That's why Estinien originally used it as his entry point into Garlemald when he was investigating black rose. This is even mentioned in the MSQ when Vrtra proposes a trade agreement.
But I thought the coomers and modbeasts appeared with shb....
1 year ago
Anonymous
Devout anti-coomers are liars and A-logs
1 year ago
Anonymous
You'd be surprised how sophisticated and wild the mods were in 11.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You think miqos being bawds started with 14? There was unironically more than a fair few instances of e-gf drama with mithra and erp, plus selling "used goods"
It's a popular role in casual gameplay but savage raiders often find it boring and dislike doing low(er) damage than they could achieve on other jobs. And the spot of "braindead rotation so I can focus on failing mechanics and not using mitigation" is already filled by SMN.
I can only hope this raid tier signified the last of this shit and the story can actually go in a fresh new direction rather than ancient wank #954185181
Ancients are integral the the narrative moron, same with Allagans and other empires which existed in each era.
There is still over half the Convocation we haven't interacted with, they're not going away. Get over yourself.
nta but they could move on at this point
zodiark is gone, meteon got fricked, all the sundering threats is gone, there isn't any convocation left in the present (?) and the final days is completely negated
>There is still over half the Convocation we haven't interacted with, they're not going away. Get over yourself.
We killed all the unsundered and everyone left is a jobber, if there is anyone left at all.
>Lahabrea - FRICKING DEAD >Elidibus - FRICKING DEAD >Emet-Selch - FRICKING DEAD >Igeyorhm - FRICKING DEAD >Nabriales - FRICKING DEAD >Azem - FRICKING (YOU) >Mitron - FRICKING DEAD >Loghrif - FRICKING RYNE >Fandaniel - FRICKING DEAD >Emmerololth - FRICKING DEAD >Deudalaphon - FRICKING DEAD >Altima - FRICKING DEAD >Halmarut - ??? >Pashtarot - ???
Gaius and the WoL have really fricking killed off pretty much every member of the Convocation, or they died off-screen to other shit. There can still be Ascians that aren't members of the Convocation, though. Without the Unsundered they really can't do anything about their plans or do any Rejoining, so they'd have to do something else, which might be interesting to explore. What the frick do the Ascians do now that the Endsinger is dead, Zodiark is dead, all the Unsundered are dead, and there's no chance for them to complete their mission?
Why did you make the assumption they would be our enemies? Like you mentioned, their goals are complete, they still possess knowledge I would like to know about though.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I didn't make the assumption. I said it'd be interesting to see what they do now. I was even surprised they didn't have an Ascian that was sympathetic to us in EW and thought Venat did the right thing. I guess the Watcher is sort of like that, though.
>Lahabrea - FRICKING DEAD >Elidibus - FRICKING DEAD >Emet-Selch - FRICKING DEAD >Igeyorhm - FRICKING DEAD >Nabriales - FRICKING DEAD >Azem - FRICKING (YOU) >Mitron - FRICKING DEAD >Loghrif - FRICKING RYNE >Fandaniel - FRICKING DEAD >Emmerololth - FRICKING DEAD >Deudalaphon - FRICKING DEAD >Altima - FRICKING DEAD >Halmarut - ??? >Pashtarot - ???
Gaius and the WoL have really fricking killed off pretty much every member of the Convocation, or they died off-screen to other shit. There can still be Ascians that aren't members of the Convocation, though. Without the Unsundered they really can't do anything about their plans or do any Rejoining, so they'd have to do something else, which might be interesting to explore. What the frick do the Ascians do now that the Endsinger is dead, Zodiark is dead, all the Unsundered are dead, and there's no chance for them to complete their mission?
>Emmerololth - FRICKING DEAD >Deudalaphon - FRICKING DEAD >Altima - FRICKING DEAD >Halmarut - ??? >Pashtarot - ???
None of these are dead.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Emmerololth was the Ascian done in by Galuf sinking Eureka into the Lifestream for a while, but probably got another shard uplifted
Deudalaphon and Altima's masks were on Gaius's belt, doesn't mean they're dead but doesn't mean they're alive either
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wish we got to see what Galuf looked like in XIV
Loved that homie in FFV
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think there was one singular cutscene where you saw him
1 year ago
Anonymous
we see most of him though
1 year ago
Anonymous
We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon, because he's shown with their masks and we haven't heard from them since. Emmerololth dies pretty fricking decisively in Eureka, and I think her showing up in a cutscene that's later chronologically but takes place in an earlier patch is just a continuity error.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon, because he's shown with their masks and we haven't heard from them since
He didn't have the means to properly kill an Ascian and the devs themselves said there was doubt as to whether he really killed them. >Emmerololth dies pretty fricking decisively in Eureka, and I think her showing up in a cutscene that's later chronologically but takes place in an earlier patch is just a continuity error.
More likely they just uplifted another Ememerololth shard.
Wish we got to see what Galuf looked like in XIV
Loved that homie in FFV
You can see him from behind in the Eureka quests.
1 year ago
Anonymous
we see most of him though
Huh, I totally missed that in Eureka then
Thanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
>We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon,
By "no reason" do you mean "every reason"? Gaius literally has no capability to actually kill them, the guy can't even manipulate aether. It took WoL+white auracite just to kill a normal sharded one before. >is just a continuity error.
I agree, but it is what we actually see in the game.
Yeah, it's possible they survived, but until they show up again I'm just going to assume Gaius had some means to aether-vore them that we weren't told about because they've never really been mentioned by name. He may not be able to manipulate aether, but he uses magitek and had two buddies along. Ardbert and Thordan were also able to perma-kill Ascians without auracite, and the WoL just blasted Emet-Selch's ass with light aether, so auracite's not the only method. Nabriales is the only Ascian that died because of auracite, and every other one had some other convenient means to
If they show back up it won't be an ass-pull, certainly, but it's just an example of how utterly fricked the Convocation is, because they have at best four living members.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Ardbert and Thordan were also able to perma-kill Ascians without auracite, and the WoL just blasted Emet-Selch's ass with light aether, so auracite's not the only method.
Auracite isn't the method that kills them, it only keeps them from escaping to the Rift so they can be blasted with a shitload of aether which mimics the effects of the Lifestream on their soul. Thordan did it just by eating Lahabrea because primals are big pools of aether already. Gaius had a mage with him, but one capable of conjuring a blade of light? Maybe, but unlikely.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not only did igeyorhm also die of auracite but we blasted Emet full of auracite before shooting the beam. It is the only way.
Thordan's sword is made of auracite and Ardbert didn't actually kill Mitron.
The auracite isn't necessary at all, it's just the method the Scions settled on as the best way because it lets you hold the Ascian in place and also lets you channel enough aether to booty-blast them. You can also just aether-vore the Ascian.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not only did igeyorhm also die of auracite but we blasted Emet full of auracite before shooting the beam. It is the only way.
Thordan's sword is made of auracite and Ardbert didn't actually kill Mitron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
[CITATION NEEDED]
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
Thordan's sword is made from Haldrath's corpse with a dragon eye melded into it. He didn't kill Lahabrea because of auracite, he just ate him. It was a repeat of what they showed you with Leviathan eating the Sahagin priest who had become an Ascian.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon,
By "no reason" do you mean "every reason"? Gaius literally has no capability to actually kill them, the guy can't even manipulate aether. It took WoL+white auracite just to kill a normal sharded one before. >is just a continuity error.
I agree, but it is what we actually see in the game.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did Gaius know how ascians worked? Maybe he "killed one" without killing it and just took the mask as a trophy thinking he'd succeeded
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's weird because he somehow knew about Emet-Selch before we did, and knew he was a Source-born (unsundered) Ascian as compared to the "transubstantiated" (sundered) Ascians as he called them.
Did they ever tell us how Gaius could clock two fricking ascians like it was nothing when we needed white auracite to even kill jobbers like Nabriales and Igeyorhm (this one would have been useful to keep around since she caused the thirteen but eh)
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Did they ever tell us how Gaius could clock two fricking ascians like it was nothing
He didn't.
1 year ago
Anonymous
killing them is easy
making sure they stay dead isn't
1 year ago
Anonymous
They said that it's entirely possible that he just killed the bodies they were inhabiting and the actual Ascian got away.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No.
They're never going to address it either, it's going to be a dropped plot point for another few years until Square runs out of ideas again and pretends they'd planned to bring them back all along.
Damn that new theme really is shit. I get the feeling whatever is done in 7.0 could just be an utter disaster without the Ancient one background to prop it up. They're probably going to screw up Meracydia and the New World
The only chance the game has moving forward is to DROP the ancients/ascians/allagans and move on to something else. It's all very sterile, especially the ancients, and works against attempts to add new storylines and locales to the game because everything ties back to the ancients in one way or another.
Good motif usage is great, and these people are morons. Though I've never once cared for the actual usage of dragonsong, it kind of sucks and is eclipsed by pretty much every other rendition and theme in HW. Revenge of the Horde and Heroes are both infinitely better than it.
>Garleans have been a mostly irrelevant hanger on to the plot since ARR when their actual importance ended >Ancients are around for 1.5 expansions and are relevant for almost all of it >People sperg out about one but not the other, and even beg for more
Was it autism?
>Garleans have been a mostly irrelevant hanger on to the plot since ARR when their actual importance ended
You skipped Heavensward, Stormblood, and Shadowbringers bud?
In HW there was the Ilberd false flag which triggered SB to begin with. And in ShB their release of black rose was the entire starting point of the plot.
>They were supposed to get their own expansion after ShB but that was scrapped.
honestly a damn shame
to have garlemand just be like twenty poorly modelled destroyed buildings after years of buildup was disappointing as shit
No, did you? The biggest relevance they had in stormblood was the manchild prince and they weren't in the other two at all unless you're going to reach hard for black rose.
>The biggest relevance they had in stormblood was the manchild prince
You spend the entire expansion fighting Garleans and dealing with the problems in Garlean provinces.
Might as well say the entire game is about garleans if you're going to be reaching that hard.
Why do you think they never got any "real" focus after ARR? Because they were irrelevant and a plot device at best. I forget they're even in azyss la most of the time because they are beyond irrelevant there.Only remembered once a while ago when I was doing TT and found the guy there.
>if you're going to be reaching that hard.
What's reaching about that? Huh? Stormblood is LITERALLY nothing but walking around Garlean provinces, dealing with the problems the citizens of Garlean provinces have, and fighting Garleans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Stormblood would have been that, then they realized that would have been an awful fricking expansion so they left ala mhiggers in 5 minutes and went to an actually good place but then they still had to shove in that shit to give it any reason, and even then it ended up with a laughing stock of a story that got a dude kicked out of writing it was so bad.
Stormblood not being about Garleans is probably the most comically moronic take I've heard in any XIV thread
It's certainly got the most of them in it past ARR, that's true.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You know Doma was also a Garlean province right? For longer than Ala Mhigo too.
they seriously need to turn off the speaking of bosses during fights. It's so fricking cringe to hear every single boss this raid patch going >I AM EVIL INCARNATE >I AM THE ONE TRUE GOD >EMBRACE THE DARKNESS FOR I AM THE RULER OF HELL
Or some stupid ass line like that. it's just cringe asf because
A) The WoL has defeated literal interdimensional bird gods that can travel to the edge of the universe
B) Not every single boss can be some harbinger of hell and death
>what the frick do you expect
Pretty much every boss in the game does it. So now I have to assume the world of Eorzea has world ending hell gods pretty much in every cave
>what the frick do you expect
Pretty much every boss in the game does it. So now I have to assume the world of Eorzea has world ending hell gods pretty much in every cave
>This random demon said they were the king of hell or some other random epiphet >They must be telling the truth!
average frogposter intelligence
i miss dealing with eorzean problems with the city leaders. i'm really fed up with this going to other planets bullshit. is this really where we're at now? i thought they were scaling things back
Maybe they should just nerf the WoL now that hydealyn is dead. You still have the battle experience you built over the years but no more anti god bullcrap
Galuf was capable of casting a Teleport spell with power on par with Ultima. Think about how nutty that is. Ultima has to manually break the physics of the setting when it's cast in order to draw that much power in.
why can't i sub for 1 - 3 days then. there isn't any more content in these patches, and surely, yoshi-chan would not want me to feel like i have to log on and play because i bought an entire month of playtime
TotK is so fricking tedious and boring to play. Everything neat about it is chopped up and spread out all over the open world into these little bit-sized chunks. A world where resource management is persistent cause its so damn cheap with what it gives you. It's a pain in the ass to play and I do not get how it can be so praised for features that are barely outside of making silly videos for social media.
These threads give me brain damage, the average players reading comprehension is so incredibly low.
Maybe stop using a dub not in your native language you weeb morons and you might understand the narrative better because you clearly can't read subtitles.
>Is crafted 640 gear with shit stats and penta meld better than the 640 normal raid gear but with good stats?
It depends on what you're playing. For example if you're a RPR, anything with skillspeed is immediately shit by default.
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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_07/#sidestory_07
Here's the story.
Find the exact quote that even remotely implies there are other races beside the ancients.
Go ahead, try to spin a single line from it and put on display for everyone just how deluded you are.
See
>The tales from the shadows make no mention of other races. Only of other people living outside the city of Amaurot. Whom were all Ancients.
Then my point is still valid you fricking moron since only the ones living in amaurot decided to summon zodiark and they were prepared to sacrifice all the other """ancients""" living on the rest of the planet to bring their friends back without giving them a say. Fricking checkmate b***h, have a nice day.
>Well okay you btfo'd me and I can't actually prove my point with evidence, even when opportunity is given to me >But I will still claim my point stands because uh........
The absolute state of fanfic writers of this game.
I'm literally correct. Whether they were other races or not, you admit there were other people on the planet aside from amaurotines. The convocation elected to sacrifice them to bring back sacrificed amaurotines and wasn't giving them a say in the matter. Keep coping though.
>you admit there were other people on the planet aside from amaurotines
holy shit, this is precious
He's so desperate for a win that he imagined a completely different argument taking place where this is somehow playing in his favor.
Of course there were other people on the planet you worthless coon, but they weren't of any other race than ancients and thus they weren't going to be sacrificed to zodiark to bring back other 3/4th of the planet.
1. Because it wouldn't fricking work to trade 1/4 for 3/4
2. Because the game NEVER says they were going to do that.
>imagined a completely different argument taking place
My first post which started all this was this:
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moronic cutscene skippers. The entire reason she resorted to sundering was because the ancients wanted to sacrifice new innocent life to bring back those who sacrificed themselves to create zodiark and fix the planet. Had they not gone full moron trying to bring back sacrificed peoples, everything would have been fine.
This has been the argument from the beginning. Keep pretending otherwise though I guess.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And you've been destroyed time and time again for creating a fanfiction where this "new life" involves some imaginary sentient races, because there were none. You then proceeded to cry about a web story that totally supports your claim, you were linked to that story and couldn't find a single word that works in your favor either.
Finally your last cope was to just shit and piss yourself by claiming that they were totally going to sacrifice normal ancients anyway even though it doesn't make any sense for them to try.
And I am still giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are still talking about the sacrifice that was going to happen after initial 2 and not the initial 2 to begin with. >But
You have no idea what you are talking about and you've proven it time and time again. Stop posting about lore you didn't care about enough to even try to read.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're moronic. They sacrificed AMAUROTINES and AMAUROTINES ONLY to summon Zodiark and restore the planet. They didn't sacrifice anyone but AMAUROTINES. It doesn't fricking matter if the rest of the people on the planet are ancients or fricking crab people as far as my point is concerned. I'm dropping my point that they were "other races" simply to humor you because you're right, nothing we have DOES mention other "races" but it DOES mention other people aside from AMAUROTINES. People who WEREN'T sacrificed to summon Zodiark, people who had NO part in that plot. People the convocation had no sway over and didn't even care about outside of Azem (as evidenced by the volcano story). These people were going to be sacrificed to bring back amaurotines. That is my point. Whether they were another race or not is irrelevant in relation to this.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>This is the sort of "person" to defend venat's choices and beliefs
Makes sense a deranged character would be mostly defended by deranged idiots.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Sacrificing innocent people and not giving them a say in the matter to bring back people who willingly sacrificed themselves
If you think this is a correct and moral choice you're a genuine sociopath. That is fricking genocide. They saved the planet with their sacrifice but if they're making other people's lives foot the bill for that sacrifice, it's no longer a sacrifice. It's genocide.
>Just devolved into repeating himself like a child because his fanfiction doesn't mesh with the actual story
lmao
>No argument
I accept your concession. I repeated myself because apparently you're way too fricking stupid to understand a simple point.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They weren't going to sacrifice people and the only reason why you came up with that moronic fanfiction is because you can't fathom the idea that an evil prostitute decided to wipe out her race on a whim. Which funnily enough made you justify genocide you are having a meltdown over right now. I wonder how that cognitive dissonance's treating you, manchild.
This is the last opportunity I am giving you to flex all that lore knowledge you supposedly have and point to actual evidence from the actual game or the actual side material (That I've even went out of my way to provide to make it easier on you) that there was an actual genocide of actual sentient people planned. Not conjecture. Not your imaginary scenario. Actual evidence. A screenshot from the game. A screenshot of the web story. Your pick.
But something tells me you'll just repeat yourself while fighting back your b***h tears.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>an evil prostitute decided to wipe out her race on a whim
You're genuinely moronic if you think Venat is written to be evil and make us hate her. I'm done with you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And he actually did. Like clockwork.
Venat apologists, everyone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Go back to your Discord, Zodiark Trancer.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>t-t-trancer!
Aww, he's actually crying over getting beaten in an argument over the internet. What a fricking loser lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
They wouldn't have made the final cutscenes with Hydaelyn so heartfelt if we were meant to hate her for what she did. You're literally making up fanfiction.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the writer told me to like this character so I am supposed to like that character and treat everything they do as correct and right
Actual NPC behaviour, of course coming from a venatgay
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dude it's a story, not real people with real motives. Authors create stories with intention behind characterization, you choosing to interpret it differently doesn't change that initial characterization or the intent of the author. You can hate Venat all you fricking want, it doesn't change the fact that she was written to be selfless and altruistic. How you take her actions has zero relation to the actual story. I don't know how you can be this stupid. I've read many a story where I hated characters or hated what they did, but that doesn't change how it was written or the intent of the author, it just means I hate the character and the story. Fricking simple as.
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ah ok so the solution is to keep them around in etheyris so they get slaughtered by the allagan empire (created by the ascians)
to get slaughtered by the dragonsong war (orchestratedd by the ascians)
even thugh they were the first actual hope to actually solve the problem since millennia
if someone were to tell hraesvelgr that there was a tracker on the bird for 13000 years I doubt he will take it as well as vrtra
What the frick are you even talking about anymore? It wouldn't matter if the dragons knew about Meteion, they couldn't have stopped her. If Hydaelyn thought Midgardsormr and his kids could've stopped Meteion, she would've sent him to do so when he arrived on Etheirys.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Dude it's a story, not real people with real motives.
The last cry of someone who's been defeated.
Go be a soulless automaton somewhere else.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No argument
I accept your concession.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>This is the last opportunity I am giving you to flex all that lore knowledge you supposedly have and point to actual evidence from the actual game or the actual side material (That I've even went out of my way to provide to make it easier on you) that there was an actual genocide of actual sentient people planned.
calamities
1 year ago
Anonymous
Something that happened after Venat fricked everything over for everyone that ever lived.
The actual point to bring up would be Emetselch going on an evil rant how he'll sacrifice everyone on the planet to bring back the ancients right before Amaurot dungeon, funny how the "lore experts" trying to justify venat never bring it up.
And even then it's a unique scenario because everyone's already sundered and turned into other races that are non-ancients.
1 year ago
Anonymous
calamities happened under the authority of three convocation members and one of them is zodiark's avatar
why wouldn't genocide be on the menu
1 year ago
Anonymous
As I mentioned, because genocide was already done upon them and so kids gloves were off.
Or fixing the sundering requires the newly created races to die in order to recycle their souls.
Or because they were okay with genocide.
You can pick and choose after the sundering because it was a different scenario from before the sundering.
But before the sundering, there's no actual evidence in game *at all* that they were planning anything like that for the 3rd sacrifice.
Especially since hythloadaeus's dialogue mentions them waiting for the planet to regain its energy for it to be sacrificed which doesn't exactly make sense with people.
1 year ago
Anonymous
they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot
it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal
there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering
"bro they were going to tap into the lifestream itself" is both a purposeful dodging of the fact they were going to kill a bunch of things and arguably even worse that they're going to siphon off that much aether and deny the lives of creatures not even yet born and people not yet reincarnated
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot
See, this is your problem, because you want an immediate result.
No they don't and no, they weren't planning on that. You can read the exact dialogue and their exact plan here
For anyone concerned, this is what he's talking about and what he considers undeniable proof that they were going to sacrifice "other races" or other ancients.
and see that what they were going for required basically farming the planet for energy which again can't really be done with a race of people that live for hundreds if not thousands of years at a time. >there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering
No, there's arguments being made about them not going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark basically every thread and every thread you plug your ears because it goes against the dogma.
1 year ago
Anonymous
"no they don't have to cycle souls into zodiark to get the equivalent life energy out of him"
"no they weren't going to siphon life energy out of the planet one way or another, read hythlobussy saying they were going to siphon life energy out of the planet" >and every thread you plug your ears because it goes against the dogma
pic rel
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No argument
Maybe people really are right about anons trying to defend venat being actual idiots.
1 year ago
Anonymous
no argument begets no argument my good homosexual
you pointed me to a screenshot of hythlodaeus saying they were going to do exactly what i said they were going to do
it is not actually better for your narrative that they were going to siphon the planet itself instead of living creatures when the lifestream is a literal stream of living creatures' souls
go back to /mmog/ and cry about the zodiark trancers being boogeymen
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You pointed me to the proof that they weren't going to sacrifice lives and I agree with the fact that this proves they weren't going to sacrifice lives >But I will still keep saying that they were going to sacrifice lives because I am way too invested in this to lose (this matters to me more than actually finding out what happened in the story)
There are no words for how stupid you people are. Now post whichever "no u" damage control canned response that will keep you from crying yourself to sleep tonight. I am done.
1 year ago
Anonymous
no bro no they weren't going to sacrifice lives they were just going to sip from the literal wellspring of life bro that's different bro you gotta believe me why don't you believe me i'm so fricking done bro
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal
No, it takes 8 separate shards of the same planet that's been split into 14 pieces. It's disingenuous to claim that they took 8 whole planets for that because that's not what really happens.
1 year ago
Anonymous
All of them had unique geology, monsters, and were capable of sustaining multiple sapient races. "Disingenuous" is pretending each dimension fully capable of supporting life and, which as we know from Endwalker were all complete planets with their own moons, watchers and possibly loporrits, were not individual planets' worth of aether.
Saying they DIDN'T take 7 planets' worth of aether and WEREN'T working on an eighth is totally and completely lying.
1 year ago
Anonymous
All 8 were aetherically less dense. The fact that you are trying to lie about this proves just how little venatgays care about being accurate to the story.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All 8 were aetherically less dense.
etheirys is also so notable for being aether rich that it's in the name, how is that a contradiction that they were full planets
1 year ago
Anonymous
You actual clown.
You inbred imbecile.
Do you not understand that Hydaelyn sundered the planet into 14 smaller pieces or does your life actually depend on peddling lies about this topic?
1 year ago
Anonymous
"hydaelyn sundered the planet though" isn't relevant at all
he's right, each shard was a complete planet in its own right, none of them stacking up to the unsundered planet in sheer aether count isn't relevant or the point
they killed seven planets and were working on blasting the eighth one with light
this is such a fricking weird hill to die on for you
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, it is relevant to the actual argument being made of zodiark needing 8 shards to be able to make a return. Those shards holding lives on it is inconsequential to this. Stop sniffing glue and pay attention.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Those shards holding lives on it is inconsequential to this.
you have no fricking clue what you're even arguing about anymore
show me your hippo avatar
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All of them had unique geology
This patch alone proves you wrong though? Y'shtola blatantly states that all the shards are remarkably similar in geology. Emet himself also stated that Hydaelyn's ability to sunder creates perfect clones both diminished in ability. You're actually making up headcanon.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Black person. Venat didn't copy Eitherys 14 times, she split it into 14 pieces. Do you actually not get that? Can you close your mouth and start breathing through your nose?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Black person. Venat didn't copy Eitherys 14 times, she split it into 14 pieces. Do you actually not get that?
Respond to what I said you cum gargling fricking lunatic. You don't need to be as dense in aether to support life as Eitherys was. Eitherys is not the only planet in XIV's universe. Venat split the planet into 14 that were all perfectly capable of supporting life. It is not arguable that the Ascians bringing shards together hoovered up 7 planets' worth of life.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Just devolved into repeating himself like a child because his fanfiction doesn't mesh with the actual story
lmao
>2. Because the game NEVER says they were going to do that.
It literally did. Go replay Shadowbringers, this is what was brought up as the entire reason Hydaelyn was summoned. I'm done with you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
For anyone concerned, this is what he's talking about and what he considers undeniable proof that they were going to sacrifice "other races" or other ancients.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>another half of our race
does this not imply there were other races? why would an ancient population have the concept of race if they were the only sentient population?
1 year ago
Anonymous
This literally confirms he is correct
There were other "races" in the same sense as reality, as in different peoples living in other cultures.
However since Amaurot was literally the last place hit by the Final Days and everywhere else was already wiped out, the point is moot.
right side crafted israeliteelry has advantage of 4 overmelds beyond what you can put in normal raid gear instead of 3 but is also replaced faster so its a wash
an esl on reddit who literally skipped all of the game to read "Daddy emet's" story horribly misunderstood the story made a comic, got laughed at by literally everyone, made an unironic raiding discord to try and save his and his "argument"'s image, and then got exposed a few months ago
comic posted to the FFXIV subreddit that has a dumb as frick stance on pretty much everything related to the ancients and got notoriety for ignoring basically everything relating to hydaelyn to say she's evil
"zodiark trancers" comes from a discord server that sprung up in the wake of that comic as a dedicated "we hate hydaelyn" club and is comprised mainly of OF trolls and sockpuppet accounts, the comic's author, WoWfugees attracted by emet-selch in shadowbringers, and a few other randos they've managed to slum up from youtube comments and twitter (and one or two avatargays from /vg/'s FF14 general)
they get brought up when there's moron arguments about the ancients and whether they should have won or whether hydaelyn was evil or whether elpis was necessary or whether time was altered by your character traveling back to elpis
one big one
they already started setting it up with "hard" stuff anyway, krile's mystery Black person letter and urianger/thancred talking about them getting hired to do something
FFXI also had ancients, also XIV's Ancients believed in some sort of deities and it's possible that the new Ultima revelations might be hinting toward some actual higher powers since the Lucavi in FFT are fallen angels.
>XIV's Ancients believed in some sort of deities
They didn't, the ancients in XIV are literally it, the beginning of the games lore, it's origin and it's pinnacle. Everything that has happened since then is entirely due to their actions.
Pay attention to the dialogue in Pandaemonium. They reference gods and deities multiple times, and the incantation for Ultima which Athena created mentions the seven hells and heavens. They did, at least at some point, believe in some kind of gods.
>Bro listen to me bro you are going to have a nice day in 1000 years bro but hear me out bro if I kill you now bro you won't die in the future bro >WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M INSANE, YOU NAZI CHUD
Frick why is this so god damn true
I lost track of how many times I had to tank LB3 to save a wipe after some moron died to the in/out before
At least I have my mount and my 99 so I'm done
Haven't played since 6.0, how is the content after that? Should I resub?
I hate what they did to SAM, it was basically the only job I used for raiding but 6.0 SAM was awful. I would have to level a new job and I can't decide which one.
story is pretty slow but if you like FF4 it's nice
paladin got reworked to better follow the 2 minute raid meta (this is a good thing for paladin, it was bad before)
dungeons have been good
blue mage update is inbound for 6.45
try reaper
The fact that your average Ganker-tard still can't understand the nuances of the 6.0 MSQ almost two years from release just further proves how well written Meteion, Venat and the overall storyline were
>they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering "bro they were going to tap into the lifestream itself" is both a purposeful dodging of the fact they were going to kill a bunch of things and arguably even worse that they're going to siphon off that much aether and deny the lives of creatures not even yet born and people not yet reincarnated
>Ah, you're still not going back far enough. Once Venat, Emet and Hythlo discovered the truth of the matter with Hermes and Meteion, they could've avoided memory erasure and gone to the Convocation before the Final Days had begun. Still whole, 25% would've been a much smaller sacrifice for their society than what they would end up doing with Zodiark.
I've never skip so many cutscenes like in this patch. I start feeling how fricking bad the storytelling is in this game and how much time is wasted on fetchquest without any meaning.
>I've never skip so many cutscenes like in this patch
Same. I don't usually skip cutscenes but this one had so much unrelated bullshit. I was happy when we finally got to Golbez. But I have no interest in watching a non-voiced cutscene of the WoL eating some fricking curry.
>if the Ancients had been allowed to continue as they had been, they would have wiped themselves out and now the entire universe would have no life in it >as a direct result of being sundered, now the entire universe can have life in it because Emo Twitter is no longer blasting depression waves at all of it >therefore Venat is directly responsible for creating infinitely more life in the universe, at the cost of just breaking one planet's souls into pieces, not even killing anyone
I really can't believe you autists are arguing about the fricking story. You realise just sit in the office and just think up random bullshit for the story? There is no continuity. They just have a meeting to discuss what they should do next and throw random ideas at each other until they all agree.
Time travel didn't ruin the story, fricking doing a retcon in Heavensward to completely change the planned story ruined the story. We've been doomed to have a shit end result for years. This is why you don't change stories fricking halfway through.
>retcon in Heavensward
Banri Oda, one of the 1.X staffers, said they had absolutely nothing planned out beyond 1.X and 2.0. You can't retroactively introduce continuity that doesn't exist.
You can when you've clearly already done foreshadowing and established given motives and characterization, or are you forgetting the post-credits cutscene in 2.0? Or literally all of Lahabrea's 2.0 dialogue?
Them loosely trying to explain Lahabrea's Saturday morning cartoon villain attitude fricking changes nothing. It was a retcon and you fricking know it. >Describes Hydaelyn as a parasite that if allowed to remain will somehow "warp" the laws of reality >Literally invokes the heavens and seven hells when casting Ultima when he as an ancient wouldn't have believed in them
Explain these.
My issue with the trancers is that I have to give fricking Hermes a point. Why the frick would they think the rules they themselves apply to other living beings they unilaterally appointed themselves caretakers of, wouldn't apply to themselves? The moment they thought to nurture life just to frick it over for their own wellbeing, they became no better from the monsters they put down in Elpis for being too dangerous for the ecosystem.
The whole nonsense about Emet Selch glorifying the Ancients as stewards of the star considering they had shit like Pandemonium and virtually no countermeasures for anyone among their people going rogue, see Hermes and Athena.
They portray Venat as a radical but at the end of the day it was her who was doing what the Ancients prided themselves of doing, ensuring the survival of the star even in spite of lives lost, while when faced when losing their paradise, it turned out they were no better than snivelling brats bargaining with forces beyond their control.
It was out of pure luck that Meteion fricked off to deep space to start corrupting the universe. Also they had nothing to prevent another Hermes from appearing somewhere, and after that the planet would have become another dead end where Meteion talks about the morons who thought they could bring back themselves from the dead indefinitely and ended up consuming all life in the planet in the process.
these homies spend hours of their day every day sperging out because they refused to spend significantly less time just paying attention to the story they're arguing about
I would generally agree reddit is a better place for having actual video game discussions and not thinly veiled porn threads or hate threads. But r/ffxiv is actually the worst fricking video game discussion board I've had the displeasure of reading
>But r/ffxiv is actually the worst fricking video game discussion board
Surely better than these dumpster threads here. A mix of loregays, redditgays, soijacks, porn posting
It's bizarre, everyone namedropping people like anyone knows who the frick they're arguing with, the guy who posts the trans right picture in the exact same order is all just batshit lunacy. SECOND LIFE isn't this bad.
No shit. It was literally explained in the lorebook until they went >UHH ACKSHULLY THERE'S A CONCEPT SO ADVANCED ONLY HERMES AND AN ELEPHANT KNEW IT EXISTED
Athena did
>Never to be seen or referenced to again
she cute though
nyahahaha
JUST FRICKING MELD ALREADY FRICK
Did XIV need saving?
>Did XIV need saving?
not really.
some morons just have mental health issues.
its /v after all. the biggest meeting place for brainfricked morons.
cant wait for some idiot to post some steam charts.
Haven't seen barry in a long time
>Haven't seen barry in a long time
hes busy getting brain meltdowns because of FF16.
His is deperately trying to shit onit on a daily basis.
He will finally die after the reviews are coming up, couple days before 22 june.
>some morons just have mental health issues.
>said someone who plays FFXIV
Peak irony.
And yet both of them are nowhere near your level of mental issues.
no
Unrelated but can I do something like that in google sheet? Like, entering the data in my table and then printing a graph?
The new dungeon is better than lapis manalis :3
>Zodiark trancers confirmed to be mostly russians
But wait a moment
>Zodiark
>"Z"odiark
>if you check the wiki you will find most people who use <<Z>> are Russian players
coincidence? I think not but it doesnt end here
>emet-selch worships zodiark
>Garleans worship Solus who is emet
>Garleans are Russian
>therefore they worship Zodiark as they worship emet they are the Z
>Hrothgars are Ukranians by accent and Emet let his people nuke them
the ex and the normal raid were both a ton of fun so unless they massively drop the ball on savage bossfight chads are gonna be eating good
Prediction on gimmicks in each of the new raid turns?
P10S is 100% going to keep the party split for half the fight, that's why they made all the buff ranges massive.
i have a feeling p9s might do that with the cracked arena during archaic rock breaker too. it feels like it stays for a LONG time on normal mode, i feel like there's a reason for that.
We are gonna be building some bridges in P10S
can't wait for some insane P12S alchemy or creation magic shenanigans
Superchain theory will be something insane.
Trinity of souls will just be the same but with stack/spread/enum.
Hopefully p12s ultima is an LB3 moment
P10S is going to filter PF with webbing, platforms and towers
jobs the devs want you to play
>tanks
>melee
>blm and mch
everything else doesn't fit the feel of being The Warrior Of Light and so the devs are going to continue to boil you like a frog making your class worse and worse till you stop playing it.
Even in a shitpost world I don't see how you can put machinist in there and not white mage or something.
yeah white mage probably belongs on there too because both classes have been getting buffed in every single patch and getting either old much demanded moves brought back (dismantle) or having longstanding problems resolved (lilies being kind of a meme)
if they got rid of all the fricking hippy flower shit from white mage I could finally say I'd be happy with the job
at least I haven't had to pretend to tolerate the padjals for a few years now
you could always use mods to swap animations with other stuff. for example I have verholy over misery
Can you put afflatus purgation over it easily? That's what it should be, or at least something like it.
Yes, it's incredibly easy.
SGE and RPR are fun and well designed
>defeat boss
>he uses cutscene magic to win anyway
unironically how golbez worked in the actual game
it's a shit trope even if it's a callback, just like it's shit in other games
it's a real example of the ludonarrative dissonance buzzword
at least the fight spectacle was excellent, xiv is never a letdown on that front
i think euphrosyne fricking sucked
halone was nice and the siblings weren't terrible but nphica and menphina sucked shit
i thought the second raid tier sucked too but this one was great so hopefully thalia is good like aglaia
menphina was a goddess hatsune miku and that was hilarious
aesthetically she wasn't the worst but her fight was even under crystal tower mechanics
I don't know what you're expecting, they haven't made difficult 24man raids since 4.5.
oh frick off ivalice wasn't good either
i even just said aglaia was great, and in fact it's a frickload better than every fight in that shit series outside of like 2
Well if you're going by mechanics then Ivalice is strictly better than anything since by a significant margin. Ivalice and Mhach and Dun Scaith were the only mechanically involved raids in any of the expansions.
>mechanics
>Ivalice
you seem to mistake 2 good voice actors for interesting gameplay
>but when it was new
do tell me how awful diet-ozma was
>Shadowfetus
Oh okay, sorry, you could have just said your opinion was worthless from the start.
dun scaith puts me to sleep outside of the first boss
i hardly remember mhach tbh
see
don't see how that's relevant to my post
So that's why I love her
la criatura
I much prefer nymeia
>he doesn't want a 12000 year old hebe wife
I love all the designs but the fights felt sterile if that makes sense.
for a game that does this shit all the time golbez is one of the least goofy example of this because he was visually fricked up and him being beaten up enough that the dragon is so weak he can force push it into the abyss is better then like, nobody moving to stop ilberd from summoning shinryu or the 100 other times everyone sits there and lets the evil plan happen
"we have to leave because our anti void rad suits are weakening" is also a better excuse for having to run away form the new threat then "zenos is just strong then niddhog, and then ranjit is just stronger then zenos somehow lol"
narratively speaking zenos is a threat to YOU, but ran'jit is a threat to the SCIONS and it's to nobody's immediate benefit that he dies since eulmore will shit its pants and hound you with the remainder of its entire military
naturally you roflstomp him when you're in the middle of raiding eulmore even while he's popping enshroud
This, Ranjit only beats you once because he finds an opening to exploit with a cheap shot, and that only downs you. You run away because you're just trying to secure Ryne and prolonging a fight so you can win the battle then have her get kidnapped by the Eulmore military anyway accomplishes nothing.
>for a game that does this shit all the time
It doesn't do this all the time and that's why people are annoyed by it. The entire story of this patch amounted to jack shit, a waste of our time both in game an out of the game.
To be fair we never fought Nidhogg at full power. When we kill him in the Aery, one of his eyes was buried with the first Azure Dragoon and Estinien was using the other. By the time we face him in the trial he's already dead and that's just the specter of his eternal seething.
And I guess with Ranjit there was that problem of the lightwarden's light gradually eroding your soul.
This but replace BLM with RDM. The WoL is a battle autist and it would make a lot more sense to combine melee and magic, like PLD.
As far as actual balance goes, RDM will permanently be in the cuckshed because muh dualcast verraise.
I would also argue BLU fits the battle autist fantasy, with the Masked Carnivale and learning the techniques of enemies. But that doesn’t really fit with the other jobs for obvious reasons.
Seriously guys, where do you think the arc is going to end? I'm guessing 13th somehow rejoin or get fix by the end of 6.5. There is no way writer is going to allow a planet full of sentient being to suffer in a limbo
>just saved the source and its reflections from total annihilation
>we're lowering the stakes now and going back to good old adventures like heavensward
>oh no the thirteenth's shard of zodiark of has merged with one of the first brood and created a giga voidsent that is threatening the source and its reflections!
i'm just tired
It's probably going to get unvoided or at least its inhabitants will be given some sense of normality that doesn't involve consuming each other. maybe they'll strike up a trade deal with radz at han and send curry through the rift on the moon
this is a desperate misreading of the text, unalive yourself post haste
you'll need to be more specific
>unalive
go back
CUM
Anabesios is a great raid tier after abyssos sucked ass.
I could possibly say I enjoyed wild freaks more than any individual fight but it's definitely better overall, all 4 fights were good.
Golbez was pretty nice too,now they just need to round it out with zeromus.
I also think it's kind of funny we're partially doing what the ascians were going for in the first place, using the overflowing light from the first to counteract the darkness in the 13th.
>we're partially doing what the ascians were going for in the first place, using the overflowing light from the first to counteract the darkness in the 13th.
They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron. After the 13th got fricked by darkness they considered it unfit for a rejoining and moved on. Dumb lorelet.
then their plan was fricked from the start, so they could never have a full rejoining, which is why they were trying to counteract it with the first
they tell you this, Black person
>They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron.
Do your role quests. That's exactly what Mitron and Loghrif were doing on the First because their shards originate from the Thirteenth.
>They literally never once mentioned wanting to attempt this you fricking moron.
OH NO NO NO
Why are morons on Ganker always the most smug about shit they are objectively wrong over?
This is why the ShB role questline AND Eden need to be mandatory content in the MSQ.
yes
even on my "dead" "no raiding" DC, PF is packed with people playing this awesome extreme
The MSQ was lame but the fights are excellent. Raidchads eating well.
The msq was the best in a while, I don't know what people are smoking.
>*tips hat*
yea that's been every patch msq this expansion what's your point
*tips hat* is soul, I just didn't like the loporrit filler
I don't know why it's taken them this long to finally use that "animation experience" they keep talking about from hildibrand, but I suppose it's better late than never.
>Best in a while
>It was just a round trip where nothing actually got done
6.4 started and ended us at the same fricking spot
moon part was cool but that felt like 2% of the entire patch
YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT
>Let's invade the void and rescue dragon sister.
>Oh no let's run away again.
Nothing really got done. It felt like filler.
garlemald set up a trade deal with radz at han
I thought the patch was called THE DARK THRONE
not CURRY TRADE ROUTES
nobody cares about jobbermald
the one that was already in effect?
I never want to even think about Garlemald ever again, they had their chance to use them and skipped by, no thanks.
Clearly, I was the only person who enjoyed seeing the provisional government of the remaining Garlemald state assert some agency and independence in their future dealings with the rest of the Etheirys so that the healing can continue unabated after hundreds of years of bloodshed
What the frick is it with post-MSQ and regional politics? It's like whoever replaced Ishikawa saw "WHAT'S THEIR TAX POLICY?" shitposting and took it seriously.
Already miss me?
I missed Ishikawa halfway through EW when we moved past engaging and emotional Final Days drama to chase a moronic fanservice bukkake in a time loop that obliterated every ounce of intrigue and complexity the Ancients could've had.
But she did the main story of ew
>intrigue and complexity
almost all of which would have already been wiped during shadowbringers if you paid attention to sidequest and npc dialogue in amaurot
there were already allusions to them being creatively barren, emotionally moronic and sitting with their thumbs up their asses while the planet burned in shadowbringers, elpis and beyond mostly just followed up on that
Leaving enough hints in their dialogue to suggest they were not perfect gods but were instead very human-like if not much more apathetic but still leaving them shrouded in mystery is intriguing. Mystery is intriguing. Physically going there and having the story hold your hand while it hammers every aspect of their society into your brain removes intrigue. Now we just know they were tall spoiled brats.
>while it hammers every aspect of their society into your brain removes intrigue.
this isn't what happened but I'm sorry you're stupid enough to think that
we've seen basically nothing of them, hell we've only actually seen amaurot itself and one of its facilities which have sharlayan equivalents in old sharlayan, the forum, and the labyrinthos
the amaroutines were morons since shb
you even had them talking about if they should bother to even help the people affected by the final days since it wasn't affecting them personally (yet)
I take it you did not enjoy meeting Mom.
>Sunders the entire world not because it's the right thing to do or because she has a plan to ward off the forces that assail Etheirys, but because a midget came from the future to tell her to do it
Not only that, but it was the midget's fault the ancients resorted to Hydaelyn and Zodiark. If you hadn't gone back in time, things could've been just fine.
>things could've been just fine
For another generation or two until the Ancients ran out of things to accomplish and collectively self-terminated
Who cares.
>it's wrong to do with your life what you want
You're the type of person that would keep your parents alive at all costs even if they were begging you to let them die.
sorry m8 the nibirun are explicitly written to be an ancient parallel, if zodiark wasn't summoned to defend them it'd probably have been summoned eventually to kill them
i don't make the rules
You mean the people that only became crazy after Meteion fricked them over?
The Nibirun were already completely apathetic, and Meteion didn't introduce anything but a question.
>and Meteion didn't introduce anything but a question.
are we going to start pretending that doesn't matter now?
but anyway the nibiruns were fine, do your tribe quests they got over it with some coffee and the eas telling them they were morons
no i mean the people that were asked a child's existential question and literally all killed themselves afterwards
The nibiruns got cheered up by some coffee and the power of friendship, and they only started killing themselves after twitter asked them what they were doing with their life.
>The nibiruns got cheered up by some coffee and the power of friendship,
*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
*literal machines are less up their own ass than the nibirun at this time
>*and a second chance at life in an environment suffused with hopium, of which they were the only real contrary voice
yea the power of friendship, like I said (which is what dynamis is, anyway)
meteion was a dyanmis battery and pushed them over the edge to kill themselves, then you use dynamis to tell them to chill out
By Meteion's account and the Nibiruns' own account she didn't actually do shit, she asked them a question.
>She didn't do shit, she just did shit
I know this is expecting a bit much to expect some basic emotional literacy on Ganker but you do understand that "just asking a question" can set someone off, right?
Care to tell me what it was she did, anon
Because I said what she did and then you straight up ignored it to pretend you had a gotcha
No, asking a culture a question that is completely innocuous and even a little stupid is not a reasonable cause for planet-scale suicide
Let's not pretend for even a moment that the Nibirun were supposed to be emotionally stable if Meteion hadn't appeared, because that's contradicting the story outright
>No, asking a culture a question that is completely innocuous and even a little stupid is not a reasonable cause for planet-scale suicide
It is not a reasonable cause for an emotionally well adjusted people, but that is not what they were. Saying she "did nothing" is lying, though.
She asked a question.
If you want to get snippy about whether she literally didn't do anything, look at the Global Citizens' world where all she did was existed in their general proximity
Yes, she asked a question, which set them off. They were far from "fine" but they weren't killing themselves until she set them off.
An example you COULD use would be the ea, who decided that suicide would be better than eternal life since ther was no "true" eternal life due to the heath death of the universe (and they assumed there's no way around that).
This isn't getting into the topic of the nibiruns=ancients and if they would go full crazy later on, just specifically on what meteion did to the nibiruns.
The recreated beings in Ultima Thule count for nothing because they're all just made of Dynamis, which flows according emotion.
Because WoL and the loporrit are the only true living beings there, all the Dynamis-copies are just influenced by their emotions and desires, which is to see everybody be happy and get along.
None of those things have free will, they're just puppets dancing on your strings.
>The recreated beings in Ultima Thule count for nothing because they're all just made of Dynamis,
(EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER)
Go do your Omicron quests
They say they're real boys, but they're absolutely not. They're fundamentally different beings from any living things on Etheirys, ghosts covered by a mold of dynamis.
>they're absolutely not
(EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER)
Don't care + eat this steaming buuz moron.
is that shit inside of it?
>white people have never seen food with color in it
looks like doodoo s
>wippeedoo shiieet
By all means, don't let people have any agency and allow them to do what they feel is best for themselves.
"noooo they have the right to all kill themselves because they're emotionally stunted manchildren!"
What are you implying? It is wrong for people to end their existence if they feel there is no longer any reason to live? Who are you to say they must continue to suffer existence if it is nothing but pain to them?
>It is wrong
yes
i am not accepting any arguments on this
you are wasting your finger strength arguing to a brick wall
do not force me to call you the zodiark word
>it is wrong
>i will not debate the issue
Even Varis debated the savages.
Varis was also a moron
Then I guess the smart thing to do when you're wrong is to not debate.
Yes Varis did shit in the pot by giving his insane conspiracy theory on how the sundering worked
>my master plan against the ascians? heh I'm going to do exactly what they want.
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST STOP ME FROM KILLING MYSELF THIS IS GENOCIDE
>You are going to die in x amount of time maybe
>That's okay though because I can save you from that
>By killing you and everyone else now so that you don't die in x amount of time
She tried. Even as the world was turning into shit, she was outright begging the homosexuals in Amaurot to just man up and accept that suffering is a part of life.
But they were "noooo muh paradise" to listen to reason.
>She tried. Even as the world was turning into shit, she was outright begging the homosexuals in Amaurot to just man up and accept that suffering is a part of life.
How come everytime someone points out that Venat's behaviour can only really be described as deranged, some moron butts in with an imaginary scenario he states as fact?
Did you not see the fricking flashback after you leave Elpis? Or are you parroting what your trooncer discord told you to?
That's literally a cutscene in the game you dumb frick.
moronic cutscene skippers. The entire reason she resorted to sundering was because the ancients wanted to sacrifice new innocent life to bring back those who sacrificed themselves to create zodiark and fix the planet. Had they not gone full moron trying to bring back sacrificed peoples, everything would have been fine.
That new life didn't include ancients themselves, they were the ones to save and bring it back in the first place, it was within their right to sacrifice it to bring back actual lives
>it was within their right
It literally wasn't.
That's fricking false. The original story as painted had Venat's splinter rebellion because they wanted to sacrifice new life to bring back the old and the new life didn't get a say in this. Stop skipping dialogue.
>It literally wasn't.
It quite literally was.
No, lives of plants and animals don't matter more than lives of actual people. Now do the world a favor, spare everyone your hippie bullshit and have a nice day.
There are other sentient races in the ancient world than amaurotines you fricking spastic. Who the flying frick do you think Azem was charged with learning about and interacting with? The amaurotines don't get to decide their lives are forfeit just because 75% of their population decided to become sacrifices, that isn't fair.
>There are other sentient races in the ancient world than amaurotines you fricking spastic.
There are none, you fanfic writing moron.
Explain Azem's role in the convocation then.
Learning about and interracting with other amaurotians across the fricking planet. You know, kind of how WoL does it thoughout the story.
And no, you don't get to hide behind hypotheticals and imaginary bullshit.
Actual evidence that there were other sentient races on Eitherys before hydaelyn split everyone. From the game.
Now.
>with other amaurotians across the fricking planet.
then they aren't amaurotians you fricking dense Black person
>Actual evidence
read the web stories, you should at least know about them from the meme grapes, right?
Actual. Evidence. From. The. Game.
Black person.
The tales from the shadows make no mention of other races. Only of other people living outside the city of Amaurot. Whom were all Ancients.
Emet explains to you how different races came about as a result of the sundering in ShB you actual cretin.
>Actual. Evidence. From. The. Game.
It's not in the game you illiterate monkey, or are you going to go full moron and pretend those aren't canon?
>The tales from the shadows make no mention of other races. Only of other people living outside the city of Amaurot. Whom were all Ancients.
Then my point is still valid you fricking moron since only the ones living in amaurot decided to summon zodiark and they were prepared to sacrifice all the other """ancients""" living on the rest of the planet to bring their friends back without giving them a say. Fricking checkmate b***h, have a nice day.
They weren't about to sacrifice ancients you actual mouthbreather.
It doesn't even make any sense for them to try because there's less fricking ancients and there were those sacrificed.
Take your head out of your ass and stop regurgitating shitposts you've read in these threads.
Only amaurotines had a hand in summoning and utilizing zodiark. The convocation didn't rule the entire planet you dense frick.
You're actually moronic. Azem is literally charged with exploring the world and interacting/learning about the myriad of people's that inhabit it. Stop skipping cutscenes. Shit dude we literally have a canon short story about Azem making a point to save an island from a volcanic eruption because people lived there who weren't amaurotines and the convocation was content to just watch die. Frick you're stupid. If that island was inhabited by amaurotines, they wouldn't have just let them die. They would have evacuated them at bare fricking minimum.
>It's the "pre-sundering Eitherys was totally populated by many races even though there's no mention of them at any point in the game" dipshit again
Read the volcano story you moron
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_07/#sidestory_07
Here's the story.
Find the exact quote that even remotely implies there are other races beside the ancients.
Go ahead, try to spin a single line from it and put on display for everyone just how deluded you are.
There are other cities besides Amaurot, who might not have had any place in discussing the plan considering we see that even motherfrickers from Amaurot like Eric had no say in it. They were still Ancients, though, and probably the exact same race, just from different cities.
Not different races, but different cities and groups who probably got fricked over all the same.
>The original story
Son, the original story would not have been original if you had not gone back in time and altered it. Or rather, the original story would have been something else because the story you're recounting is the altered story that resulted from your time travel.
>the original story would not have been original if you had not gone back in time and altered it
The only alternate past in the whole game is G'raha Tia's and even his is a timeline aberration that shouldn't have happened and shouldn't have continued
Source: Elidibus remembers you in Pandaemonium so he sends you back to Elpis during MSQ
Please read By His Bootstraps, another story where time travel never resulted in any alternate history
G'raha Tia's alternate timeline only goes back as far as G'raha remembers. While it would make sense the rest of the history of his timeline is the same, you can't exactly say that. For example, if the WoL did not go back in time to tell Venat the future, then she DID have agency and would've nonetheless rebel against the Zodiark faction. However, that means going back in time and telling everyone the future did absolutely nothing to alter the past and as we all know, going back into the past either changes the future or is necessary to produce the future the time traveler came from.
And Elidibus only remembers you cause you went back in time. He would not have remembered you if you did not go back in time. And By His Bootstraps has nothing to do with traveling back into the past. It has everything to do with a closed loop. Which is what happens when the WoL travels back in time, not what would happen if the WoL did not travel back in time.
It doesn't matter. The fact is Venat's rebellion would've happened anyway because half the remaining population didn't agree with sacrificing new life to bring back the old.
That's not the point. You assume Zodiark would've happened originally even though the WoL was the reason why Emet, Hythlo and Hermes got their memories of Metion erased. The WoL's present is also why Venat kept the future a secret. You're not going back far enough in the disruption of the timeline.
>You assume Zodiark would've happened originally even though the WoL was the reason why Emet, Hythlo and Hermes got their memories of Metion erased.
why wouldn't it have happened, the point of their memories being erased was it returned them to a status quo
Why wouldn't have Emet, Hythlo and Venat chased Hermes down his dungeon fighting off monsters and then himself in a pitched battle that required 4 persons with only the three of them result in the exact same events that would lead to Emet, Hythlo and Hermes getting their memories erased but not Venat? I think you don't understand how alternate potential timelines work or how the statue quo is always present in a closed time loop.
That means that there is no closed time loop in the prime timeline and the WoL going back in time, telling everyone their future, convincing Venat to search out the past of Herme's research with Meteion had ZERO impact on any events in Elpis. That's a bit hard to believe. That's more like that movie series Final Destination where the cast can NEVER escape their deaths no matter what they do and what they know of their future.
If that is the nature of the world of Etheirys, then nothing the WoL or anyone else does matters because the result will always be the same.
i asked why zodiark wouldn't have been summoned, i didn't ask for an unrelated question about a gameplay contrivance for elpis's dungeon
Zodiark was only summoned because the Ancients did not know they were under a Dynamis attack from the Endsinger. Had they know that, they could've devised a way to address the core cause of the Final Days instead of producing the Zodiark which dealt only with its symptoms.
an aether shield thrown up by zodiark would not have been an appropriate response to a dynamis attack?
>they could've devised a way to address the core cause of the Final Days
and then if they somehow got to ultima thule they would have been choked out by meteion because they don't have thin enough aether to be able to interact with dynamis besides passive emotional influence like with the flowers turning black from hermes wanting to kill himself, they literally could not touch a spaceship down anywhere because it took thancred's hope-juice to make ultima thule into a solid place where they could all walk around
your next line will be "they could just make something that CAN interact with dynamis" and that's exactly why they're in the predicament they are, something hermes made that can interact with dynamis is trying to fricking kill them
let's say some alien visitors come to etheyris, they are capable of interstellar travel and somehow seem unaffected by meteion's influence
well, more like one alien comes with many children
would those aliens be good candidates to go fight meteion, assuming you somehow got her exact location?
let's keep this within the bounds of the game and not a hypothetical "you win" button turning up on their doorstep
ok so let's say humans can create a certain type of ward or charm that protects against meteion's influence as well as tempering
however they discover that the charm is made out of the material of a certain creature
a creature capable of interstellar travel and that has been on etheyris for millennia
auracite doesn't do that, be direct about what you're trying to say instead of leading me on for multiple posts just so i can shit on it anyways
the only known auracite in the time of the ancients turned athena into a much much crazier woman
ok why the frick was midgardsormr not employed by venat to actually strike at the heart of the problem and was instead left to see his children be captured, tortured, killed, sent to the void and turned into moons by the ascians, who weren't even the real enemy
Dragons are incredibly emotional to a ludicrous point. They're not unaffected by dynamis.
ah ok so the solution is to keep them around in etheyris so they get slaughtered by the allagan empire (created by the ascians)
to get slaughtered by the dragonsong war (orchestratedd by the ascians)
even thugh they were the first actual hope to actually solve the problem since millennia
if someone were to tell hraesvelgr that there was a tracker on the bird for 13000 years I doubt he will take it as well as vrtra
the first brood could have left at any time
midgardsormr isn't strong enough to actually solve that, that homie got merced by a big ceruleum explosion. his immediate daughter azdaja is corrupted by the void mere seconds after a protective barrier is brought down and she wasn't in the void for very long before exhaustion and corruption settled in
>his immediate daughter azdaja is corrupted by the void mere seconds after a protective barrier is brought down and she wasn't in the void for very long before exhaustion and corruption settled in
bro what the frick are you talking about she's been trapped for a good few eras and has been constantly drained since
jesus christ i shouldn't need to tell you to watch *this patch's* events again
she went into the void to try and stop the invasion, failed because there were effectively infinite voidsent there, and then willingly got trapped there for ages so she didn't eventually turn into a voidsent
what part of this do you not get?
what part of the fricking barrier keeping her from turning did you miss, she panics the moment it goes down and golbez is laughing maniacally about what it'll do to her
The void energies seep in with even the slightest scratch on the surface of the warding scales, which is why they had that whole thing with getting the Ironworks to make protective casing for them.
she would've been done much earlier if Golbez didn't offer her a deal
Because Venat was an ancient and would've have fricking died trying since she can't manipulate dynamis you dialogue skipping moron. Even Midgardsormr is powerless against the endsinger.
>she can't manipulate dynamis
Ancients can manipulate dynamis. That's literally what magic is.
No it isn't you fricking moron. Magic is aether, dynamis is a wholly different form. You literally skipped 80% of the dialogue in endwalker if you arrived at this conclusion.
>Magic is aether, dynamis is a wholly different form.
Magic is aether+dynamis. This is literally the basis for the pajeetiphants theorizing dynamis exists, because they propose some force must act as the mechanism for how aether can be manipulated by people to create magical effects.
Why the frick do cutscene skippers always accuse others of skipping cutscenes?
That's literally fricking false you moron. The only dynamis utilization we are capable of is fricking limit breaks. Magic is aether, wholly aether. They literally spell this fricking out for you.
>The only dynamis utilization we are capable of is fricking limit breaks
That's not it either, limit breaks are also aether.
Nothing in WoL's arsenal uses dynamis.
>Nothing in WoL's arsenal uses dynamis
dude the entire omega ultimate revolves around him figuring out limit break juice and you start limit breaking too in response
No. It doesn't. That's a lie you've read here and for some insane reason keep on regurgitating.
That's false. When you LB against Endsinger she literally shits herself about you using Dynamis and when describing Dynamis, they straight up tell you it's a limit break.
Did you miss the Endsinger literally saying that you used Dynamis to survive the fight against her?
Consider yourself reminded.
That the three Ancient trusts get a unique buff showing they're using a limit break that no other trust in the game uses, implying something is out of the ordinary for them?
You use Dynamis to amplify existing abilities that require aether when you're using an LB moron. I don't know how you completely missed the ingame EW dialogue that straight tells you this.
The buff is pretty blatantly noncanon, and only there to allow them as Trusts to execute LBs. They're the only Trust characters in the entire game that use that "Limit Breaker" buff.
Thanks for proving me right moron. The ancients don't use existing LBs and can't manipulate Dynamis due to how much aether they have, so they use something else.
>The ancients don't use existing LBs
The webm quite literally has her using ranged LB.
So much for the LBs are totally dynamis bullshit.
Explain the Limit Breaker buff that's unique to the three ancients.
It exists to piss you off.
But I'm not mad about it.
You evidently are.
Are you going to tell me he was faking it too? You're being a dumbass, the limit breaker debuff LITERALLY says they're "breaking their limits".
No bro... it's like uh... yeah he totally developed ability to use dynamis because uh.....
AIIIEEEEE VENAT SAVE ME
It's actually embarrassing that it took this long for someone to clock that in.
considering he's limit breaking almost constantly through the fight i don't think he's actually doing that
i think he's doing the same thing omega did where he's pumping huge amounts of aether into similar effects to limit breaks
>trying to use actual evidence in xiv threads
lmao this guy
>Magic is aether, wholly aether
moron.
>Ancients can manipulate dynamis. That's literally what magic is.
Did you just start playing this game fricking yesterday?
you have to realize, Trancers will say literally anything they need to to not be wrong, even if it's a bold faced lie easily disproven by watching literally one cutscene
You are correct! You see, Venat and her faction created Hydaely which sundered the Ancients into the Sundered. The WoL, the Scions, etc are all products of the Ancients. Hydaelyn created beings able to defeat Meteion. But only because Venat was aware of the true threat to Etheirys.
That also took around 12,000 years of culture, war, and persecution to develop the circumstances that'd lead the planet's pre-eminent warrior to have trials to overcome while having the emotional fortitude to not give up.
No problem! Since time flowed different on the various shards created from the sundering, that means they were not uniform and were byproducts of the sundering process. A byproduct that could be manipulated. Sacrifice 25% of the Ancient population on a single shard with the time flow sped up and you can produce as many WoLs as you like.
*Sacrifice 25% of the Amaurot population because the rest of the planet was on fire and 75% of Amaurot had been sacrificed to Zodiark
Ah, you're still not going back far enough. Once Venat, Emet and Hythlo discovered the truth of the matter with Hermes and Meteion, they could've avoided memory erasure and gone to the Convocation before the Final Days had begun. Still whole, 25% would've been a much smaller sacrifice for their society than what they would end up doing with Zodiark.
>25% of the planet's population < 75% of Amaurot
dude what
Oh, fine. 25% of Amourot.
>That means that there is no closed time loop in the prime timeline and the WoL going back in time, telling everyone their future, convincing Venat to search out the past of Herme's research with Meteion had ZERO impact on any events in Elpis. That's a bit hard to believe.
Yes anon that's 100% how it's written. Elidibus even told you that you'd be unable to alter the future by going back and could only learn information by doing so. We went back so we could learn about Meteion as we lacked answers at the time. Going back changed nothing, G'raha's timeline is evidence of that. If G'raha's alternate future didn't exist, you'd have a point but that is too significant to ignore. If what we did in Elpis changed the future, then the WoL being killed before we could go to Elpis should have caused an irreparable time paradox but it didn't.
The WoL went back in time and played an integral role in the events in Elpis that would lead to the circumstances resulting in the creation of Zodiark and Hydaelyn. You tried your best NOT to inform the past of the future for fear of altering the future, your present. It was clear what the stakes were for going back in time and being part of the team that would end up battling Hermes for the information that you needed. That's hardly a non-intervention in the past. The WoL clearly persisted in altering the past.
However, if you believe there was ZERO impact in what the WoL did and that the G'raha timeline also unfolded with the exact same results, then both timelines arrived at the same events regardless of the actions the WoL took. Which means that the WoL could have gone back in time, killed everyone there, and things would've been the same. Because clearly, the impact of the WoL is nonexistent.
That's the problem with this idea that the WoL had ZERO impact. It's then possible to concoct any sort of scenario for the WoL to perform in the past and no matter how outrageous, it should all end up the same. That's just not how time travel works.
But there's a problem with G'raha's timeline. It is the only example of an alternative timeline. If the death of the WoL can cause a split in timelines, then the WoL's actions in the past should also as well. In the case of the prime timeline, it worked out as a closed loop, but in the case of G'raha Tia's timeline, it should, as you say, cause an irreparable time paradox.
And that may have very well happened. As you may recall, we did not learn about Alt Hist G'raha until he pulled us into the 1st. Before that, we had no idea he and his timeline existed. As far as we know, the death of the WoL created not only G'raha's timeline, but also others. In fact, there's the possibility there are infinite timelines branching from every point in history if we are to make sense of the G'raha's timeline persisting.
You're reading way too much into this dude. Our meddling literally changed nothing because of two simple facts:
>Hermes, Emet, and Hyth all had their memories wiped
And
>Venat would have rebelled regardless of if she knew about Meteion or not
The second one is supported by dialogue in Amaurot that says Venat's rebellion was because of too much being sacrificed to Zodiark. Our meddling had two effects. One of these being that Venat now knew about Meteion, but this didn't altar her destiny in any meaningful way. The second being that we now had knowledge of Meteion to bring back to the present. This is the takeaway. I'm not saying this is good writing, but this is how it was written. The closed loop argument simply cannot work because G'raha's alternate timeline should have fricking exploded as soon as the WoL died due to the paradox but it didn't. It continued long enough for him to go back in time and cross to the first.
Now, I will say there's one other issue with this theory. That being the loporrits and the moon being a space-fairing vessel. Why would Hydaelyn have constructed this if she didn't know about Meteion? It's a bit of a plot hole, but we can assume she did so because there was a chance Zodiark would possibly be destroyed some day and if that were to happen, the Final Days may have returned and necessitated mankind leaving Etheirys regardless of if they knew the cause or not.
Regardless of all this, I think we can both agree on one thing: this writing is shit and we're both just trying to make it make sense with the shit pile we've been handed.
Had you not gone back in time, their memories wouldn't have been wiped and Venat rebelling is only if the Zodiark faction came into being.
And, technically, in a branching timeline scenario, the prime timeline WoL went back in time to produce the past G'raha Tia's timeline was based on. However, when the time came for G'raha Tia's WoL to go back in time didn't happen, another split occurs at a point in Elpis 12,000 years ago. That timeline is the product of what happened in G'raha Tia's alternate timeline future.
I think the only issue with the whole time travel thing is managing the alternative timeline with a closed loop. Elpis is clearly the Alexander raids storyline recycled, but it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny with the existence of G'raha Tia's timeline. That said, I think I did a fairly good job of it.
>Had you not gone back in time, their memories wouldn't have been wiped
What? Had we not gone back in time their memories wouldn't have had to be wiped at all because they wouldn't have learned about the final days.
>and Venat rebelling is only if the Zodiark faction came into being.
Which it would have, as a result of the final days.
>Which it would have, as a result of the final days.
It doesn't work because the devs literally said that Emet and co only survived because Venat specifically made the Sundering in a way that allowed them to survive, because she knew they needed to do everything they end up doing in the future. Which can't happen if she has no foreknowledge of the future.
Also Pandaemonium can't happen without Azem's foreknowledge and WoL's meddling either, meaning Lahabrea and Elidibus would probably both be dead.
>the devs literally said that Emet and co only survived because Venat specifically made the Sundering in a way that allowed them to survive, because she knew they needed to do everything they end up doing in the future. Which can't happen if she has no foreknowledge of the future.
I'm gonna need you to cite a source on that one because it sounds like bull shit to me.
I demand lorelets to catch up.
They wouldn't have learned about the Final Days had we not gone back in time, but they would've learned about Meteion, about Dynamis, and about Hermes report from Meteion. And the Final Days only occurs if the Convocation is unaware of the cause of it. They think its due to the world falling apart when it was due to Meteion. Now, how would they come about discovering all of these important bits of information? That's the hard part, but it's do able.
Emet and Hythlo were already on their way to go see Hermes to recruit him into becoming one of the 12 convocation members. That would've come to pass and they would've met Meteion and be introduced to Dynamis as well. This is after the WoL enters the stage, but before the WoL spills the beans on the future. Emet, as one of the foremost Ancients in Amaurot, is proud about knowing about everything there is to know of the universe. But when Hermes began describing Dynamis to him, he was caught completely unaware. He would surely dig deeper into this phenomenon until he learned of its nature, especially when he finds out what Hermes has been up to with Meteion after Hermes receives his report from her sisters. While Hermes may try to hide that part from the rest of Amaurot, Emet would be aware of Hermes dealings with Meteion and Dynamis and wish to seek an explanation as to why a creation of Hermes, built with the ability explore the stars was created. However, you may think Hermes more determined to hide his secret than Emet would be to discover it. But recall it was YOU, the Warrior of Light, whom Hermes shared his inner most feelings with and whom helped give Hermes the conviction to believe in himself. Without you, his otherwise timid nature would've relented to the pressure of Emet and the Convocation to reveal all he knows about Meteion and be convinced to assist in saving the world with his knowledge of Dynamis.
Anon that literally is the fricking point. In G'raha's timeline the WoL fricking dies before he can go back in time. This means that Venat's rebellion and the sundering would have happened whether we went back or not.
Everything would've been fine before that if the WoL hadn't gone back in time and fricked with past events.
how did you miss the entire point of the ancients being on the path of self destruction via apathy?
thats the entire point of the last phase of the Endsinger dungeon, did you think Ra-la was just there to look pretty?
>There was a time when we yearned to explore the heavens, found purpose in the hope of unveiling life's mysteries. A dream shattered when we reached enlightenment, and found it empty. There was a time when we believed in our legacy, thought ourselves marking a worthy path our successors might follow. Efforts rendered futile when we discovered the keys to paradise and immortality. As individuals we struggled to know what was right, yet in today's perfect unity there is naught left to question. We are infinity constricted by the finite, but no more─Ra-la shall grant us the mercy of annihilation.
if Venat doesn't sunder the world, that is how the ancients end.
Meeting Venat in Elpis destroyed her character by taking a heroic rebel who actually gambled on doing the right thing against all odds into someone who was just sucking WoL's wiener and doing what he said because she really wanted to hear another sidequest retelling. It killed her agency in everything.
You've finally realized. You were the real villain.
I don't understand why we had to go to Garlemald to do Alphinaud and Alisaie's job for them.
wish I was a raidchad, even golbez EX seems insane
Nah man I play with lag and on console and extremes are way too easy, this one just has repeated mechanics and onky one body check to worry about
imo msq was better then 6.1,6.2 and 6.3. But that was because of the moon part being so awesome
only thing it's done is corral the same demographic into doing the same routine they've been doing for the past decade
except for 6.1 I guess because zero wasn't ther
Literally the weakest "major/content patch" they've ever had.
No, nothing has saved FFXIV. It's still a sub par MMORPG that somehow rakes in tons of money because all it does is ride on the clout and coat tails of the franchise it's named after instead of its own merits and the people who play it are too stupid to tell the difference.
>Literally the weakest "major/content patch" they've ever had.
that was 6.3
3.1/5.3 actually shadowbab
>5.3
lmao
5.3 is what unironically saved the game
3/10, trying too hard.
The truth is a hard pill for you to swallow? But you have no problem chugging SE's semen. homosexual.
>inn is congested
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
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can you put a barber bell in your house?
Yes
well frick me then
Inns are objectively better than houses since you can use your dresser there and the beds function.
t. has had a house for a year and has had zero use for it after decorating it
nta but I forgot inn rooms had anything useful because I don't need the bed function for anything and go to my barracks for the glamour chest.
>He doesn't let his wol actually sleep when he logs out and just has them stand in the void
cringe
You do kraut boats instead of JP. Or at least that's what I've always seen. I actually caught my last blue fish on a full boat I slept through the first boat for, got on the late one and managed to get coral manta after a good few tries. The new ones look nice though I'm disappointed we don't have The Big One. Maybe if they add more routes since there's just the 2
>logging out
anon, please don't insult me
forgot picture, but yeah I have no use for the bed in the inn room.
>11 hours offline
shameful
I slept in on patch day, I admit.
>You do kraut boats instead of JP.
Not here in EU. But I guess that works better in NA or JP
Good luck! Seafaring toad was the hardest for me.
oh yea if you're on EU I would assume german gets used legitimately a lot
I didn't know language queuing was a thing for ocean fishing
works for anything that queues I think
all the "Catch 50 of a specific fish" things are done on german boats, and a good few blue fish too
>Put my Sothis in a canvas
Frick, should I just last minute queue for a boat to control the spectral? It's a higher chance to get spectral if you have less players?
I'm like 1 out of 6 for blue fishes.
why did you let her take over your house?
inns are actually better than houses for a variety of reasons
I was expecting them to be on the off hour to get around that, kind of lame they didn't do that.
Do you know what the gathering needed for the new normal fish is? Apparently the gathering for the big fish is lower but I wasn't gonna test it unless I was sure.
FSHchads did you catch anything yet?
I like the split ocean route system for now, but I worry about how it will affect party sizes in later patches.
>I worry about how it will affect party sizes in later patches
The less people the higher the chances of hitting spectral if you catch a spectral fish
You can always queue late JP boat if you want full control, that's how I caught my last few blue fish. But it's more fun to have the full crew of 24 fishers if you're not sweating a specific catch/cheevo
I am farming points at the same time so I don't really mind if I miss a big fish. Still it's annoying. Still need last 3 from previous routes
i rate the "*tips hat* what did he mean by this" arc 5 buuz
Why won't you stay on /vg/?
Is that how you think you look?
>that smug face
What does she know that we don't?
I am going to marry Krile.
>Character only exists because of a joke name
>Will get focus because they're just going to make 7.0 FF5 like they did with shb and ew for 3 and 4
>*loud farting noise*
wow thanks for sharing anon....
>Enter golbex farm
>Can't even get 1 kill beause there's always some fricking moron that dies just before double meteors
I want to strangle half of the playerbase
bro? your static?
I prefer dynamic
>play as a healer
>don’t blow your mitigation cooldowns on dark whatever
>blow ALL of them on tower/spread
Grats now you can enter meteors with 8 morons alive. Literally start casting cure3 as soon as you dodge the aoe. They’ll still die on gale 2 tho.
exactly
eprog + holos and people can live through magic vuln from failing the mechanic before
>greed uptime on the pb cleave
>second wind and riddle of earth to live through the stack anyways
First time trying to make some cash in patch week, I only earned 10 mil but I didn't get into crafting really. I imagine making gear/potions there are people clearing 50+ mil this week?
Someone claimed in these threads he made 500 mil. I don't really want to deal with bots and script kiddies so I just made my solo FC and rely on that
I passed 200 on the first day and have pushed around 50 every day since, I'm not going as hard as I usually do though. It's really as simple as buying materials, making gear, and listing said gear. The important thing is to put in as much effort as possible this week and even next week because the RMT bots take over once sale speed slows down.
Frick I must be doing something wrong. I've only made about 5 mil since thursday, which is enough to recoup what I put into the gear before the patch, but still.
It's as simple as making the new gear and listing it, you don't have to think much.
I've been doing that, but it gets undercut fairly quickly by a 100 thousand each time if I'm not constantly watching it.
Yep, that's the game you have to play. It's annoying to do but it's worth it.
My heart stopped for a second I thought they were making a game based on the old idle mmo Dark Throne...
Three months from now people will be back online complaining about content drought after playing the game for hundreds of hours since the patch dropped.
It's an eternal cycle.
There was nothing wrong with the previous patches, people are just incapable of having lives beyond the game
I just noticed the succubus art on the WVR tool from the latest crafting gear
It's not a new design, you just never noticed because this one is displayed on the back like a shield.
Is this achievable natty?
With enough aether, many things can be achieved. Bring me some crystals if you'd like to know more.
is there a way to get the raw materials list for several items at once so i can give my crafting slave what they need?
plug it into teamcraft.
make a crafting list on garlandtools.org
https://garlandtools.org/db/#list/On7GpS5mtw
Make a new list and then click on share to give your crafting bawd something to work on
Will you join their FC?
Durante's name is interesting, it's the actual birth-name of Dante Aligheri.
>Tomestone of Comedy
>as in The Divine Comedy
>Voidhomies are italians
did you not hear zero talk this patch
>Golbez slams our escape route with darkness
>"EY I'M WALKIN' HEA"
>an entire planet of eternal darkness, ravenous hunger and the wish for death is just little italy
The four fiends are named after demons in dante's inferno as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malebranche_(Divine_Comedy)
DEVIL MAY CRY COLLAB CONFIRMED
P11 saved the patch. Also,
>garlean higher ups wearing dungeon gear from a humid as frick dungeon
>no lore or whatever to prove any sort of hostilities or negotiations that would result in said gear being in vrtra's vault
Further proof of Endwalker being a hodgepodge of an expansion. God I can't wait for the msq to get retconned.
>friends for over 14 years
Its the small things.
>no lore or whatever to prove any sort of hostilities or negotiations that would result in said gear being in vrtra's vault
Huh? Garlemald and Radz-at-Han have always had trade. That's why Estinien originally used it as his entry point into Garlemald when he was investigating black rose. This is even mentioned in the MSQ when Vrtra proposes a trade agreement.
I knew 'golbez' would die and his friend would be golbez since his friend is just what golbez looks like without his armor
yeh
eugh
Their long necks mean "grasp tightly here while fricking me senseless."
>those fricking necks
>made even worse by the short hairstyles
just cut the middle man and fap to elezen
Just go back to Elvaan and call it a day.
how are any of those outfits appropriate for a much more serious and more aesthetically consistent fantasy game than xiv that is xi?
It's called modding anon, believe it or not people have been modding games for many years.
But I thought the coomers and modbeasts appeared with shb....
Devout anti-coomers are liars and A-logs
You'd be surprised how sophisticated and wild the mods were in 11.
You think miqos being bawds started with 14? There was unironically more than a fair few instances of e-gf drama with mithra and erp, plus selling "used goods"
Modding is banned in FFXIV though.
If only it was. SE needs to ban every single MARE homosexual in existence.
I'll only play XI if they actually release an offline singleplayer version of it
I'm not paying for two mmos
I wish, people have been asking them to merge the sub with 14 forever but to no avail.
What the frick? The crafting menu glitched
known issue, probably patched in the maintenance tomorrow
I CAN FIX HER
I don't need to fix her
I just want to be her pet
Intense Missionary while leg locked
WITH ABYSSAL DARK AND HERO'S BLADE, I BRING MY PEOPLE LIBERATION
Ah another character that is morally right to fight and yet did absolutely nothing wrong
It's wrong to condemn an entire planet to save your people.
Condemning other people to save your own is pretty bad, reminds me of someone, maybe the mystery nibbas we've been fighting since forever.
collecting dung with Lyse
Want to pug this savage tier, what role and job are the best to do it?
Easiest to find a party: shield healer or physical ranged
Easiest to play without thinking hard: SMN or physical ranged
yes, gsheets is intended as a replacement/competitor for excel
I thought it was just me because I filtered him, has he really given up on doomposting?
Are physical ranged really that unpopular? I guess I could be a DNC b***h and see how far it gets me.
I like dancer but I just wish there was better user feedback on how much damage you're doing/amplifying with the party buffs.
It's a popular role in casual gameplay but savage raiders often find it boring and dislike doing low(er) damage than they could achieve on other jobs. And the spot of "braindead rotation so I can focus on failing mechanics and not using mitigation" is already filled by SMN.
Euphrosyne might not be as fun as Aglaia but it was superior when it comes to coombait Goddesses.
SOOOOOUL
LAID
BARE
PROUD AND FAIR
literally the only good song in the patch
>Had to buy my Golbez weapon even after 20 clears
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>20 clears
Why did you do 15 additional runs when 5 kills give enough tokens for a weapon
I wanted to buy a DRG weapon as well, and when I reached 10 I just decided to see how unlucky I was before I gave up
I got the mount on my third clear so I'm just saving totems to buy PLD kits for desynth when they added the crafted weapons.
SOUL
KINOOOOOOOOOOOO
absolutely fricking soulless
Ancients really are the new haurchefant
>dude remember ELDIBIUS and how SAD lets bring it back over and over again
Brainlet
I can only hope this raid tier signified the last of this shit and the story can actually go in a fresh new direction rather than ancient wank #954185181
Ancients are integral the the narrative moron, same with Allagans and other empires which existed in each era.
There is still over half the Convocation we haven't interacted with, they're not going away. Get over yourself.
nta but they could move on at this point
zodiark is gone, meteon got fricked, all the sundering threats is gone, there isn't any convocation left in the present (?) and the final days is completely negated
>There is still over half the Convocation we haven't interacted with, they're not going away. Get over yourself.
We killed all the unsundered and everyone left is a jobber, if there is anyone left at all.
Why did you make the assumption they would be our enemies? Like you mentioned, their goals are complete, they still possess knowledge I would like to know about though.
I didn't make the assumption. I said it'd be interesting to see what they do now. I was even surprised they didn't have an Ascian that was sympathetic to us in EW and thought Venat did the right thing. I guess the Watcher is sort of like that, though.
>Lahabrea - FRICKING DEAD
>Elidibus - FRICKING DEAD
>Emet-Selch - FRICKING DEAD
>Igeyorhm - FRICKING DEAD
>Nabriales - FRICKING DEAD
>Azem - FRICKING (YOU)
>Mitron - FRICKING DEAD
>Loghrif - FRICKING RYNE
>Fandaniel - FRICKING DEAD
>Emmerololth - FRICKING DEAD
>Deudalaphon - FRICKING DEAD
>Altima - FRICKING DEAD
>Halmarut - ???
>Pashtarot - ???
Gaius and the WoL have really fricking killed off pretty much every member of the Convocation, or they died off-screen to other shit. There can still be Ascians that aren't members of the Convocation, though. Without the Unsundered they really can't do anything about their plans or do any Rejoining, so they'd have to do something else, which might be interesting to explore. What the frick do the Ascians do now that the Endsinger is dead, Zodiark is dead, all the Unsundered are dead, and there's no chance for them to complete their mission?
>Emmerololth - FRICKING DEAD
>Deudalaphon - FRICKING DEAD
>Altima - FRICKING DEAD
>Halmarut - ???
>Pashtarot - ???
None of these are dead.
Emmerololth was the Ascian done in by Galuf sinking Eureka into the Lifestream for a while, but probably got another shard uplifted
Deudalaphon and Altima's masks were on Gaius's belt, doesn't mean they're dead but doesn't mean they're alive either
Wish we got to see what Galuf looked like in XIV
Loved that homie in FFV
I think there was one singular cutscene where you saw him
we see most of him though
We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon, because he's shown with their masks and we haven't heard from them since. Emmerololth dies pretty fricking decisively in Eureka, and I think her showing up in a cutscene that's later chronologically but takes place in an earlier patch is just a continuity error.
>We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon, because he's shown with their masks and we haven't heard from them since
He didn't have the means to properly kill an Ascian and the devs themselves said there was doubt as to whether he really killed them.
>Emmerololth dies pretty fricking decisively in Eureka, and I think her showing up in a cutscene that's later chronologically but takes place in an earlier patch is just a continuity error.
More likely they just uplifted another Ememerololth shard.
You can see him from behind in the Eureka quests.
Huh, I totally missed that in Eureka then
Thanks
Yeah, it's possible they survived, but until they show up again I'm just going to assume Gaius had some means to aether-vore them that we weren't told about because they've never really been mentioned by name. He may not be able to manipulate aether, but he uses magitek and had two buddies along. Ardbert and Thordan were also able to perma-kill Ascians without auracite, and the WoL just blasted Emet-Selch's ass with light aether, so auracite's not the only method. Nabriales is the only Ascian that died because of auracite, and every other one had some other convenient means to
If they show back up it won't be an ass-pull, certainly, but it's just an example of how utterly fricked the Convocation is, because they have at best four living members.
>Ardbert and Thordan were also able to perma-kill Ascians without auracite, and the WoL just blasted Emet-Selch's ass with light aether, so auracite's not the only method.
Auracite isn't the method that kills them, it only keeps them from escaping to the Rift so they can be blasted with a shitload of aether which mimics the effects of the Lifestream on their soul. Thordan did it just by eating Lahabrea because primals are big pools of aether already. Gaius had a mage with him, but one capable of conjuring a blade of light? Maybe, but unlikely.
The auracite isn't necessary at all, it's just the method the Scions settled on as the best way because it lets you hold the Ascian in place and also lets you channel enough aether to booty-blast them. You can also just aether-vore the Ascian.
Not only did igeyorhm also die of auracite but we blasted Emet full of auracite before shooting the beam. It is the only way.
Thordan's sword is made of auracite and Ardbert didn't actually kill Mitron.
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
[CITATION NEEDED]
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
>Thordan's sword is made of auracite
Thordan's sword is made from Haldrath's corpse with a dragon eye melded into it. He didn't kill Lahabrea because of auracite, he just ate him. It was a repeat of what they showed you with Leviathan eating the Sahagin priest who had become an Ascian.
>We have no reason to believe that Gaius wasn't successful in killing Altima and Deudalaphon,
By "no reason" do you mean "every reason"? Gaius literally has no capability to actually kill them, the guy can't even manipulate aether. It took WoL+white auracite just to kill a normal sharded one before.
>is just a continuity error.
I agree, but it is what we actually see in the game.
Did Gaius know how ascians worked? Maybe he "killed one" without killing it and just took the mask as a trophy thinking he'd succeeded
It's weird because he somehow knew about Emet-Selch before we did, and knew he was a Source-born (unsundered) Ascian as compared to the "transubstantiated" (sundered) Ascians as he called them.
Did they ever tell us how Gaius could clock two fricking ascians like it was nothing when we needed white auracite to even kill jobbers like Nabriales and Igeyorhm (this one would have been useful to keep around since she caused the thirteen but eh)
>Did they ever tell us how Gaius could clock two fricking ascians like it was nothing
He didn't.
killing them is easy
making sure they stay dead isn't
They said that it's entirely possible that he just killed the bodies they were inhabiting and the actual Ascian got away.
No.
They're never going to address it either, it's going to be a dropped plot point for another few years until Square runs out of ideas again and pretends they'd planned to bring them back all along.
>FRICKING RYNE
like right now?
can I watch?
except it's the fricking happiest rendition of the amaurot theme/to the edge we've had which is so fitting given everything that's happened
>literally fight the same guy again
>NOOOO WHY IS HE USING THE SAME MOTIF
>didn't even mention motifs
make the song less boring and stale if you're using it for the third time
it's a jrpg battle theme version of neath dark waters, what more could you seriously ask of the song
Don't care
>I AM THE EMISSARY, AND I SHALL NEVER DIE
Damn that new theme really is shit. I get the feeling whatever is done in 7.0 could just be an utter disaster without the Ancient one background to prop it up. They're probably going to screw up Meracydia and the New World
The only chance the game has moving forward is to DROP the ancients/ascians/allagans and move on to something else. It's all very sterile, especially the ancients, and works against attempts to add new storylines and locales to the game because everything ties back to the ancients in one way or another.
Don't tell these guys that almost every song in HW is the main theme
Everyone should know that 90% of the ost of one expansion are remixes of that expansion main theme
Good motif usage is great, and these people are morons. Though I've never once cared for the actual usage of dragonsong, it kind of sucks and is eclipsed by pretty much every other rendition and theme in HW. Revenge of the Horde and Heroes are both infinitely better than it.
it exploded my dick during final steps of faith
That's what I meant, it's pretty underwhelming in final steps and pretty much every other theme int he expansion is good
P11's theme sticks out like a sore thumb, rest are really damn good but holy frick it's literally just a more boring to the edge
Motifs aren't even the issue it's just flat out boring
>Garleans have been a mostly irrelevant hanger on to the plot since ARR when their actual importance ended
>Ancients are around for 1.5 expansions and are relevant for almost all of it
>People sperg out about one but not the other, and even beg for more
Was it autism?
Game was so much better when the ascians were just mystery homies
*maniacal and evil laughter continues*
>that last-minute heel turn in Pandaemonium where it turns out that Lahabrea was a violent psychopath all along
>Garleans have been a mostly irrelevant hanger on to the plot since ARR when their actual importance ended
You skipped Heavensward, Stormblood, and Shadowbringers bud?
I can see someone saying they were important in stormblood, but what crack are you smoking to think they were relevant in hw and shb?
In HW there was the Ilberd false flag which triggered SB to begin with. And in ShB their release of black rose was the entire starting point of the plot.
I'll give you HW even though they would have been a problem if they managed to get Azys Lla. They did kill Ysaile though.
>ShB
>Literally the main threat is garlean black rose, the thing that both kills you and triggers a rejoining.
Garleans were not important in any of those expansions. They were supposed to get their own expansion after ShB but that was scrapped.
>They were supposed to get their own expansion after ShB but that was scrapped.
honestly a damn shame
to have garlemand just be like twenty poorly modelled destroyed buildings after years of buildup was disappointing as shit
Likely because the Twitter troon community that makes up for 99% of the playerbase was so mindbroken by a fictional faction in a videogame
No, did you? The biggest relevance they had in stormblood was the manchild prince and they weren't in the other two at all unless you're going to reach hard for black rose.
>The biggest relevance they had in stormblood was the manchild prince
You spend the entire expansion fighting Garleans and dealing with the problems in Garlean provinces.
Might as well say the entire game is about garleans if you're going to be reaching that hard.
Why do you think they never got any "real" focus after ARR? Because they were irrelevant and a plot device at best. I forget they're even in azyss la most of the time because they are beyond irrelevant there.Only remembered once a while ago when I was doing TT and found the guy there.
>if you're going to be reaching that hard.
What's reaching about that? Huh? Stormblood is LITERALLY nothing but walking around Garlean provinces, dealing with the problems the citizens of Garlean provinces have, and fighting Garleans.
Stormblood would have been that, then they realized that would have been an awful fricking expansion so they left ala mhiggers in 5 minutes and went to an actually good place but then they still had to shove in that shit to give it any reason, and even then it ended up with a laughing stock of a story that got a dude kicked out of writing it was so bad.
It's certainly got the most of them in it past ARR, that's true.
You know Doma was also a Garlean province right? For longer than Ala Mhigo too.
Stormblood not being about Garleans is probably the most comically moronic take I've heard in any XIV thread
garlemald is a fricking joke, i love that they still have the flag up with their leaders brains still splattered over it. dumb clowns
Women don't care about Garlemald they wanted ancient homosexuals
Wasn't in need of saving, so pointless question.
The worlds first race will be over in 6 hours
Theres nothing to do
Dead game
>The worlds first race will be over in 6 hours
please frick off to wow and take your cancer with you
If only they had to do split runs for 4 days to pad out the "race" time.
>The worlds first race will be over in 6 hours
no one cares Black person, I'll be progging for weeks
they seriously need to turn off the speaking of bosses during fights. It's so fricking cringe to hear every single boss this raid patch going
>I AM EVIL INCARNATE
>I AM THE ONE TRUE GOD
>EMBRACE THE DARKNESS FOR I AM THE RULER OF HELL
Or some stupid ass line like that. it's just cringe asf because
A) The WoL has defeated literal interdimensional bird gods that can travel to the edge of the universe
B) Not every single boss can be some harbinger of hell and death
Counterpoint: Cidolfus
I AM THE EMISSARY
AND I WILL NEVER DIE
I had to turn off voices for P9's the mage voice is the worst acting I've heard in years, the rest were fine though
>ALWAYS MORE KILLIN' TO BE DONE, AND I'M ONLY TOO HAPPY TO OBLIGE
pandaemonium is literally in hell what the frick do you expect moron
>what the frick do you expect
Pretty much every boss in the game does it. So now I have to assume the world of Eorzea has world ending hell gods pretty much in every cave
I WILL FREEEEEEEEEEEE US FROM DA WHEEEEEEEEELL
>This random demon said they were the king of hell or some other random epiphet
>They must be telling the truth!
average frogposter intelligence
WRONG
Voice acted raids are amazing
have a nice day
i miss dealing with eorzean problems with the city leaders. i'm really fed up with this going to other planets bullshit. is this really where we're at now? i thought they were scaling things back
Maybe they should just nerf the WoL now that hydealyn is dead. You still have the battle experience you built over the years but no more anti god bullcrap
they missed their chance to do that which is a shame but then people probably would've complained about it being a rehash of HW
All the city states are working together now, that was half the plot of EW so they could go stop twitter from killing everyone.
Bro your role quests?
I got back in the game and it keeps crashing now, wtf happened, I used to play months ago
Elidibus saved 6.4.
Anyone got this image in high resolution without the text?
Oh neat you just had to inspect the patch website
Gorgeous, thanks
Galuf was capable of casting a Teleport spell with power on par with Ultima. Think about how nutty that is. Ultima has to manually break the physics of the setting when it's cast in order to draw that much power in.
why can't i sub for 1 - 3 days then. there isn't any more content in these patches, and surely, yoshi-chan would not want me to feel like i have to log on and play because i bought an entire month of playtime
>why can't i sub for 1 - 3 days then.
you can? they have free weeks pretty frequently
who would fund forspoken DLCs then?
wonder if this means the savage tier is gonna be easier than usual
TotK is so fricking tedious and boring to play. Everything neat about it is chopped up and spread out all over the open world into these little bit-sized chunks. A world where resource management is persistent cause its so damn cheap with what it gives you. It's a pain in the ass to play and I do not get how it can be so praised for features that are barely outside of making silly videos for social media.
homosexual
He's 100% right. Riju was downgraded as well.
how can you play this dogshit and shit on totk?
lol
These threads give me brain damage, the average players reading comprehension is so incredibly low.
Maybe stop using a dub not in your native language you weeb morons and you might understand the narrative better because you clearly can't read subtitles.
>People who clearly skipped cutscenes arguing about completely irrelevant story points
my favorite
Endwalker killed my static and FC. Sucks that I'm basically alone again after a kino 2-3 years in ShB
Is crafted 640 gear with shit stats and penta meld better than the 640 normal raid gear but with good stats?
>Is crafted 640 gear with shit stats and penta meld better than the 640 normal raid gear but with good stats?
It depends on what you're playing. For example if you're a RPR, anything with skillspeed is immediately shit by default.
See
>Well okay you btfo'd me and I can't actually prove my point with evidence, even when opportunity is given to me
>But I will still claim my point stands because uh........
The absolute state of fanfic writers of this game.
I'm literally correct. Whether they were other races or not, you admit there were other people on the planet aside from amaurotines. The convocation elected to sacrifice them to bring back sacrificed amaurotines and wasn't giving them a say in the matter. Keep coping though.
>you admit there were other people on the planet aside from amaurotines
holy shit, this is precious
He's so desperate for a win that he imagined a completely different argument taking place where this is somehow playing in his favor.
Of course there were other people on the planet you worthless coon, but they weren't of any other race than ancients and thus they weren't going to be sacrificed to zodiark to bring back other 3/4th of the planet.
1. Because it wouldn't fricking work to trade 1/4 for 3/4
2. Because the game NEVER says they were going to do that.
>imagined a completely different argument taking place
My first post which started all this was this:
This has been the argument from the beginning. Keep pretending otherwise though I guess.
And you've been destroyed time and time again for creating a fanfiction where this "new life" involves some imaginary sentient races, because there were none. You then proceeded to cry about a web story that totally supports your claim, you were linked to that story and couldn't find a single word that works in your favor either.
Finally your last cope was to just shit and piss yourself by claiming that they were totally going to sacrifice normal ancients anyway even though it doesn't make any sense for them to try.
And I am still giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are still talking about the sacrifice that was going to happen after initial 2 and not the initial 2 to begin with.
>But
You have no idea what you are talking about and you've proven it time and time again. Stop posting about lore you didn't care about enough to even try to read.
You're moronic. They sacrificed AMAUROTINES and AMAUROTINES ONLY to summon Zodiark and restore the planet. They didn't sacrifice anyone but AMAUROTINES. It doesn't fricking matter if the rest of the people on the planet are ancients or fricking crab people as far as my point is concerned. I'm dropping my point that they were "other races" simply to humor you because you're right, nothing we have DOES mention other "races" but it DOES mention other people aside from AMAUROTINES. People who WEREN'T sacrificed to summon Zodiark, people who had NO part in that plot. People the convocation had no sway over and didn't even care about outside of Azem (as evidenced by the volcano story). These people were going to be sacrificed to bring back amaurotines. That is my point. Whether they were another race or not is irrelevant in relation to this.
>This is the sort of "person" to defend venat's choices and beliefs
Makes sense a deranged character would be mostly defended by deranged idiots.
>Sacrificing innocent people and not giving them a say in the matter to bring back people who willingly sacrificed themselves
If you think this is a correct and moral choice you're a genuine sociopath. That is fricking genocide. They saved the planet with their sacrifice but if they're making other people's lives foot the bill for that sacrifice, it's no longer a sacrifice. It's genocide.
>No argument
I accept your concession. I repeated myself because apparently you're way too fricking stupid to understand a simple point.
They weren't going to sacrifice people and the only reason why you came up with that moronic fanfiction is because you can't fathom the idea that an evil prostitute decided to wipe out her race on a whim. Which funnily enough made you justify genocide you are having a meltdown over right now. I wonder how that cognitive dissonance's treating you, manchild.
This is the last opportunity I am giving you to flex all that lore knowledge you supposedly have and point to actual evidence from the actual game or the actual side material (That I've even went out of my way to provide to make it easier on you) that there was an actual genocide of actual sentient people planned. Not conjecture. Not your imaginary scenario. Actual evidence. A screenshot from the game. A screenshot of the web story. Your pick.
But something tells me you'll just repeat yourself while fighting back your b***h tears.
>an evil prostitute decided to wipe out her race on a whim
You're genuinely moronic if you think Venat is written to be evil and make us hate her. I'm done with you.
And he actually did. Like clockwork.
Venat apologists, everyone.
Go back to your Discord, Zodiark Trancer.
>t-t-trancer!
Aww, he's actually crying over getting beaten in an argument over the internet. What a fricking loser lmao
They wouldn't have made the final cutscenes with Hydaelyn so heartfelt if we were meant to hate her for what she did. You're literally making up fanfiction.
>the writer told me to like this character so I am supposed to like that character and treat everything they do as correct and right
Actual NPC behaviour, of course coming from a venatgay
Dude it's a story, not real people with real motives. Authors create stories with intention behind characterization, you choosing to interpret it differently doesn't change that initial characterization or the intent of the author. You can hate Venat all you fricking want, it doesn't change the fact that she was written to be selfless and altruistic. How you take her actions has zero relation to the actual story. I don't know how you can be this stupid. I've read many a story where I hated characters or hated what they did, but that doesn't change how it was written or the intent of the author, it just means I hate the character and the story. Fricking simple as.
What the frick are you even talking about anymore? It wouldn't matter if the dragons knew about Meteion, they couldn't have stopped her. If Hydaelyn thought Midgardsormr and his kids could've stopped Meteion, she would've sent him to do so when he arrived on Etheirys.
>Dude it's a story, not real people with real motives.
The last cry of someone who's been defeated.
Go be a soulless automaton somewhere else.
>No argument
I accept your concession.
>This is the last opportunity I am giving you to flex all that lore knowledge you supposedly have and point to actual evidence from the actual game or the actual side material (That I've even went out of my way to provide to make it easier on you) that there was an actual genocide of actual sentient people planned.
calamities
Something that happened after Venat fricked everything over for everyone that ever lived.
The actual point to bring up would be Emetselch going on an evil rant how he'll sacrifice everyone on the planet to bring back the ancients right before Amaurot dungeon, funny how the "lore experts" trying to justify venat never bring it up.
And even then it's a unique scenario because everyone's already sundered and turned into other races that are non-ancients.
calamities happened under the authority of three convocation members and one of them is zodiark's avatar
why wouldn't genocide be on the menu
As I mentioned, because genocide was already done upon them and so kids gloves were off.
Or fixing the sundering requires the newly created races to die in order to recycle their souls.
Or because they were okay with genocide.
You can pick and choose after the sundering because it was a different scenario from before the sundering.
But before the sundering, there's no actual evidence in game *at all* that they were planning anything like that for the 3rd sacrifice.
Especially since hythloadaeus's dialogue mentions them waiting for the planet to regain its energy for it to be sacrificed which doesn't exactly make sense with people.
they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot
it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal
there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering
"bro they were going to tap into the lifestream itself" is both a purposeful dodging of the fact they were going to kill a bunch of things and arguably even worse that they're going to siphon off that much aether and deny the lives of creatures not even yet born and people not yet reincarnated
>they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot
See, this is your problem, because you want an immediate result.
No they don't and no, they weren't planning on that. You can read the exact dialogue and their exact plan here
and see that what they were going for required basically farming the planet for energy which again can't really be done with a race of people that live for hundreds if not thousands of years at a time.
>there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering
No, there's arguments being made about them not going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark basically every thread and every thread you plug your ears because it goes against the dogma.
"no they don't have to cycle souls into zodiark to get the equivalent life energy out of him"
"no they weren't going to siphon life energy out of the planet one way or another, read hythlobussy saying they were going to siphon life energy out of the planet"
>and every thread you plug your ears because it goes against the dogma
pic rel
>No argument
Maybe people really are right about anons trying to defend venat being actual idiots.
no argument begets no argument my good homosexual
you pointed me to a screenshot of hythlodaeus saying they were going to do exactly what i said they were going to do
it is not actually better for your narrative that they were going to siphon the planet itself instead of living creatures when the lifestream is a literal stream of living creatures' souls
go back to /mmog/ and cry about the zodiark trancers being boogeymen
>You pointed me to the proof that they weren't going to sacrifice lives and I agree with the fact that this proves they weren't going to sacrifice lives
>But I will still keep saying that they were going to sacrifice lives because I am way too invested in this to lose (this matters to me more than actually finding out what happened in the story)
There are no words for how stupid you people are. Now post whichever "no u" damage control canned response that will keep you from crying yourself to sleep tonight. I am done.
no bro no they weren't going to sacrifice lives they were just going to sip from the literal wellspring of life bro that's different bro you gotta believe me why don't you believe me i'm so fricking done bro
>it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal
No, it takes 8 separate shards of the same planet that's been split into 14 pieces. It's disingenuous to claim that they took 8 whole planets for that because that's not what really happens.
All of them had unique geology, monsters, and were capable of sustaining multiple sapient races. "Disingenuous" is pretending each dimension fully capable of supporting life and, which as we know from Endwalker were all complete planets with their own moons, watchers and possibly loporrits, were not individual planets' worth of aether.
Saying they DIDN'T take 7 planets' worth of aether and WEREN'T working on an eighth is totally and completely lying.
All 8 were aetherically less dense. The fact that you are trying to lie about this proves just how little venatgays care about being accurate to the story.
>All 8 were aetherically less dense.
etheirys is also so notable for being aether rich that it's in the name, how is that a contradiction that they were full planets
You actual clown.
You inbred imbecile.
Do you not understand that Hydaelyn sundered the planet into 14 smaller pieces or does your life actually depend on peddling lies about this topic?
"hydaelyn sundered the planet though" isn't relevant at all
he's right, each shard was a complete planet in its own right, none of them stacking up to the unsundered planet in sheer aether count isn't relevant or the point
they killed seven planets and were working on blasting the eighth one with light
this is such a fricking weird hill to die on for you
Yes, it is relevant to the actual argument being made of zodiark needing 8 shards to be able to make a return. Those shards holding lives on it is inconsequential to this. Stop sniffing glue and pay attention.
>Those shards holding lives on it is inconsequential to this.
you have no fricking clue what you're even arguing about anymore
show me your hippo avatar
>All of them had unique geology
This patch alone proves you wrong though? Y'shtola blatantly states that all the shards are remarkably similar in geology. Emet himself also stated that Hydaelyn's ability to sunder creates perfect clones both diminished in ability. You're actually making up headcanon.
Black person. Venat didn't copy Eitherys 14 times, she split it into 14 pieces. Do you actually not get that? Can you close your mouth and start breathing through your nose?
>Black person. Venat didn't copy Eitherys 14 times, she split it into 14 pieces. Do you actually not get that?
Respond to what I said you cum gargling fricking lunatic. You don't need to be as dense in aether to support life as Eitherys was. Eitherys is not the only planet in XIV's universe. Venat split the planet into 14 that were all perfectly capable of supporting life. It is not arguable that the Ascians bringing shards together hoovered up 7 planets' worth of life.
>Just devolved into repeating himself like a child because his fanfiction doesn't mesh with the actual story
lmao
>2. Because the game NEVER says they were going to do that.
It literally did. Go replay Shadowbringers, this is what was brought up as the entire reason Hydaelyn was summoned. I'm done with you.
For anyone concerned, this is what he's talking about and what he considers undeniable proof that they were going to sacrifice "other races" or other ancients.
>another half of our race
does this not imply there were other races? why would an ancient population have the concept of race if they were the only sentient population?
There were other "races" in the same sense as reality, as in different peoples living in other cultures.
However since Amaurot was literally the last place hit by the Final Days and everywhere else was already wiped out, the point is moot.
This literally confirms he is correct
it is not your place to state whether or not an anon you're arguing with has been "blown out"
What are you going to do about it? Shit yourself like the other guy's been doing for the past 20 minutes?
you're being quite confrontational anon
That's going to heavily depend on what job you're playing and what the stats are
right side crafted israeliteelry has advantage of 4 overmelds beyond what you can put in normal raid gear instead of 3 but is also replaced faster so its a wash
ZODIARK
TRANCE!!!
Where does this dumb as frick zodiark trance meme even come from?
an esl on reddit who literally skipped all of the game to read "Daddy emet's" story horribly misunderstood the story made a comic, got laughed at by literally everyone, made an unironic raiding discord to try and save his and his "argument"'s image, and then got exposed a few months ago
Some guy drew a comic about being pissed about Venat
comic posted to the FFXIV subreddit that has a dumb as frick stance on pretty much everything related to the ancients and got notoriety for ignoring basically everything relating to hydaelyn to say she's evil
"zodiark trancers" comes from a discord server that sprung up in the wake of that comic as a dedicated "we hate hydaelyn" club and is comprised mainly of OF trolls and sockpuppet accounts, the comic's author, WoWfugees attracted by emet-selch in shadowbringers, and a few other randos they've managed to slum up from youtube comments and twitter (and one or two avatargays from /vg/'s FF14 general)
they get brought up when there's moron arguments about the ancients and whether they should have won or whether hydaelyn was evil or whether elpis was necessary or whether time was altered by your character traveling back to elpis
And here comes Barry.
let him seethe in quiet, he's angriest when nobody talks to him
how many more 6.X updates are there before 7.0? I feel like they're running out of time to set up a comfy new low stakes adventure...
one big one
they already started setting it up with "hard" stuff anyway, krile's mystery Black person letter and urianger/thancred talking about them getting hired to do something
oh yeah urianger said whoever it is was looking for archons right?
think so yea
there's also still the "big massive event to set up 7.0" that will likely be some shit with golbez' plan
>shitbringer fanboys still crying that their precious ancients were "ruined" in endwalker
>same b***h wrote both
I wish we could have a proper setting with real gods and goddesses instead of the ancients, man they are so bland.
FFXI also had ancients, also XIV's Ancients believed in some sort of deities and it's possible that the new Ultima revelations might be hinting toward some actual higher powers since the Lucavi in FFT are fallen angels.
>XIV's Ancients believed in some sort of deities
They didn't, the ancients in XIV are literally it, the beginning of the games lore, it's origin and it's pinnacle. Everything that has happened since then is entirely due to their actions.
Extremely dull.
There's a point where shitposting goes into just straight up lying, anon.
You should try playing the game and not skipping cutscenes anon.
Pay attention to the dialogue in Pandaemonium. They reference gods and deities multiple times, and the incantation for Ultima which Athena created mentions the seven hells and heavens. They did, at least at some point, believe in some kind of gods.
>ancients all killing themselves and ending humanity good
>Venat sundering them so that life can continue bad
TRANCIN MAKES ME FEEL GOOD
>Bro listen to me bro you are going to have a nice day in 1000 years bro but hear me out bro if I kill you now bro you won't die in the future bro
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M INSANE, YOU NAZI CHUD
where is everyone?
Wiping to Double Meteor in a farm party
Frick why is this so god damn true
I lost track of how many times I had to tank LB3 to save a wipe after some moron died to the in/out before
At least I have my mount and my 99 so I'm done
I've been running ES12 the past few days and damn Gaia's eng VA isn't very good.
>It was another fricking reference boss.
why do you people insist on arguing with the zodiark trancer writing paragraphs on paragraphs of vomit
because it's funny to watch them sperg out with their obviously incorrect interpretations
>zodiark vs hydaelyn trancers hour
i think this game SUCKS
the msq SUCKED
the raids are AVERAGE
the music is SHIT
NIG
Haven't played since 6.0, how is the content after that? Should I resub?
I hate what they did to SAM, it was basically the only job I used for raiding but 6.0 SAM was awful. I would have to level a new job and I can't decide which one.
story is pretty slow but if you like FF4 it's nice
paladin got reworked to better follow the 2 minute raid meta (this is a good thing for paladin, it was bad before)
dungeons have been good
blue mage update is inbound for 6.45
try reaper
>Arguing about the lore of a bad MMO and a massively convoluted story
Yep, XIV players have huge amounts of autism.
you people are fricking moronic
just go back to dumping softcore porn instead of having homosexualy internet slapfights
Don’t mind if I do, anon
>still arguing over this dogshit story when the only reason zodiark happened was because they didn't know what hit them
The fact that your average Ganker-tard still can't understand the nuances of the 6.0 MSQ almost two years from release just further proves how well written Meteion, Venat and the overall storyline were
shit dogshit
>they're going to have to kill something to cycle the souls into zodiark to get back 75% of the city of amaurot it takes 8 separate life-sustaining planets worth of aether to get zodiark back into good enough shape that he can break out of his seal there is no possible argument to be made that they weren't going to commit some kind of mass killing to cycle souls out of zodiark before the sundering "bro they were going to tap into the lifestream itself" is both a purposeful dodging of the fact they were going to kill a bunch of things and arguably even worse that they're going to siphon off that much aether and deny the lives of creatures not even yet born and people not yet reincarnated
No soijak spamming. Plus the edits are below autistic-quality crap.
I'll stop posting soijacks when the autist trannies ITT frick off back to /vg/ and post their autistic rants about the lore there
How did 6.0 manage to mindbreak so many people?
Because it showed Venat being unquestionably good and that made their fanfiction wrong
>unquestionably good
>Ah, you're still not going back far enough. Once Venat, Emet and Hythlo discovered the truth of the matter with Hermes and Meteion, they could've avoided memory erasure and gone to the Convocation before the Final Days had begun. Still whole, 25% would've been a much smaller sacrifice for their society than what they would end up doing with Zodiark.
>Because it showed Venat being unquestionably good and that made their fanfiction wrong
You are wrong
You will remain wrong
No amount of crying on Ganker will change the fact that you're wrong
I've never skip so many cutscenes like in this patch. I start feeling how fricking bad the storytelling is in this game and how much time is wasted on fetchquest without any meaning.
>I've never skip so many cutscenes like in this patch
Same. I don't usually skip cutscenes but this one had so much unrelated bullshit. I was happy when we finally got to Golbez. But I have no interest in watching a non-voiced cutscene of the WoL eating some fricking curry.
Wish they'd frick off with the padding.
>if the Ancients had been allowed to continue as they had been, they would have wiped themselves out and now the entire universe would have no life in it
>as a direct result of being sundered, now the entire universe can have life in it because Emo Twitter is no longer blasting depression waves at all of it
>therefore Venat is directly responsible for creating infinitely more life in the universe, at the cost of just breaking one planet's souls into pieces, not even killing anyone
I really can't believe you autists are arguing about the fricking story. You realise just sit in the office and just think up random bullshit for the story? There is no continuity. They just have a meeting to discuss what they should do next and throw random ideas at each other until they all agree.
yes yes, but have you heard about Ultima, the high seraph from the ivalice raid series? i think i really like Ultima, the high seraph
>introduces time travel
>it ruins the story
Time travel didn't ruin the story, fricking doing a retcon in Heavensward to completely change the planned story ruined the story. We've been doomed to have a shit end result for years. This is why you don't change stories fricking halfway through.
>retcon in Heavensward
Banri Oda, one of the 1.X staffers, said they had absolutely nothing planned out beyond 1.X and 2.0. You can't retroactively introduce continuity that doesn't exist.
You can when you've clearly already done foreshadowing and established given motives and characterization, or are you forgetting the post-credits cutscene in 2.0? Or literally all of Lahabrea's 2.0 dialogue?
All of Lahabrea's 2.0 dialogue that did get followed up on right down to showing us where the Heart of Sabik went?
Them loosely trying to explain Lahabrea's Saturday morning cartoon villain attitude fricking changes nothing. It was a retcon and you fricking know it.
>Describes Hydaelyn as a parasite that if allowed to remain will somehow "warp" the laws of reality
>Literally invokes the heavens and seven hells when casting Ultima when he as an ancient wouldn't have believed in them
Explain these.
shadowbabies were a msitake
>arguing over a run of the mill, shitty tranime story
where's the lalafell spammers when you need them
The /vg/ lalafells spam threads during good discussions, not bad ones
The /vg/ lalafells are our Zodiark shield against the corruptive dynamis of the Trancesinger.
No they fricking aren't, they were shitting up the threads during patch day, lalas are cancer
The Trancesinger squeals in outrage and throws itself against the shield to no avail
Keep digging deeper moronic shitposter
My issue with the trancers is that I have to give fricking Hermes a point. Why the frick would they think the rules they themselves apply to other living beings they unilaterally appointed themselves caretakers of, wouldn't apply to themselves? The moment they thought to nurture life just to frick it over for their own wellbeing, they became no better from the monsters they put down in Elpis for being too dangerous for the ecosystem.
The whole nonsense about Emet Selch glorifying the Ancients as stewards of the star considering they had shit like Pandemonium and virtually no countermeasures for anyone among their people going rogue, see Hermes and Athena.
They portray Venat as a radical but at the end of the day it was her who was doing what the Ancients prided themselves of doing, ensuring the survival of the star even in spite of lives lost, while when faced when losing their paradise, it turned out they were no better than snivelling brats bargaining with forces beyond their control.
It was out of pure luck that Meteion fricked off to deep space to start corrupting the universe. Also they had nothing to prevent another Hermes from appearing somewhere, and after that the planet would have become another dead end where Meteion talks about the morons who thought they could bring back themselves from the dead indefinitely and ended up consuming all life in the planet in the process.
Bro you have some serious autism writing paragraphs about a niche MMO story
these walls of text lmao
these homies spend hours of their day every day sperging out because they refused to spend significantly less time just paying attention to the story they're arguing about
>yfw mommy mindbroke fujoshits
mommy was right and will remain right long forever
man the people who play this game are something else
You haven't played the game if you just realised this. r/ffxiv is probably better than this place for discussing the game
I would generally agree reddit is a better place for having actual video game discussions and not thinly veiled porn threads or hate threads. But r/ffxiv is actually the worst fricking video game discussion board I've had the displeasure of reading
>But r/ffxiv is actually the worst fricking video game discussion board
Surely better than these dumpster threads here. A mix of loregays, redditgays, soijacks, porn posting
It's bizarre, everyone namedropping people like anyone knows who the frick they're arguing with, the guy who posts the trans right picture in the exact same order is all just batshit lunacy. SECOND LIFE isn't this bad.
The voice acting for this raid tier is so fricking good apart from tremble
You always were just a tool devised and created to correct the wrongs of the past.
Mommy loves you Trancers as well.
Lbs were aether until they decided they weren't in 6.0 because they can't stop themselves from retconning stuffs
It still is aether, you're using dynamis as a conduit to manipulate massive amounts of it. You're literally breaking your limits.
No shit. It was literally explained in the lorebook until they went
>UHH ACKSHULLY THERE'S A CONCEPT SO ADVANCED ONLY HERMES AND AN ELEPHANT KNEW IT EXISTED
>SO ADVANCED
*so obscure and irrelevant to everyone on the planet
>SO ADVANCED
I'd call it esoteric, not advanced.
Retcons should be illegal. This story has way too fricking many.
XIV players are libtards
no, they are trannies
no it's ruined