>don't worry, your Highness. you don't need to worry about your treacherous Vizier Liar Darkbad anymore
>we used a Zone of Truth and torture to discover he was secretly evil then we killed him, used Speak With Dead to make sure of our findings and Soul Trap to prevent him from being brought back, the body was Plane Shifted to the Elemental Plane of Fire and Disintegrated and we've ran over his chambers with Prestidigitation to remove stray hair and skin cells, now please don't resist as we use Modify Memory on you to remove any trace of him from your memory
Game?
No thanks, I don't play games
That's bullshit, torture doesn't work, especially when the interrogated knows he's under ZoT.
In my setting people are compelled to tell the truth when getting their nipples twisted
Telling the truth does not succesful interrogation make.
Omitting information is still a lie.
Nope. "I do not want to answer this question." can be perfectly valid truthful answer under ZoT interrogation.
>someone casts zone of truth
>asks a question
>say "I won't answer that question"
>now you can no longer answer the question without retroactively lying in the zone of truth
Checkmate, wizards.
Retroactive lying isn't a thing. The statement was true when you mentioned it but if you break it later it doesn't mean you were lying. If you say that you didn't kill the king, nothing is stopping you from killing the king later while in the zone of truth.
But can you say "I WILL not kill the king" in a zone of truth, then kill him later?
Of course. It just means that when he spoke he wasn't planning on doing it hence he wasn't lying. Perhaps something happens that makes him change his mind and try to kill him at which point the answer would be that he would try to kill the king.
It makes you tell the truth as it is at that moment and how the person thinks it is, it doesn't force you to do anything else.
I would think zone of truth would stop you from making a statement like "I won't talk, EVER" because who knows, you just might under the right encouragement.
I'm not talking about zone of truth.
I'm talking about THE truth.
telling the truth? Oh right, the... uh... interrogation
Torture works all the time, you do it to get people to confess to things so that you can railroad them through a trial and then execute them. I always thought this was gay, pretending to be fair is for wimps, if I ran the evil empire, I would tell people that they're going to be tortured because I don't like them, and that whenever they feel like stopping they can just say so and we'll execute them out to the third generation.
So you get to contrast the fear of death with unceasing pain. That's pushing the envelope. We'll ask questions, but it'll be stuff like "what's your favorite color" and "have you read The Hungry Hungry Caterpillar," and answering correctly means we switch to a different kind of torture to mix things up. If you find one you like, just lie!
Those babies the Nazis were the ones who figured out that you can get information out of people by being nice to them. Hanns Scharff, who was so successful at convincing Allied captives to tell him stuff that he gave seminars about in the UK and America after the war. His devilish Third Reich tactics included long walks in the park without guards, his own cooking, and chocolate bars.
Gayest shit I've ever heard. Yeah some random lieutenant who crawled out of a P-38 is going to know something essential to the war effort. Come on guys. Where's the giant swinging pendulum-blades, where's the shrinking rooms?
I understand being nice to someone to trick them into thinking you're a friend but letting someone walk around in a park unguarded seems a little risky. What would stop someone from overpowering him?
Would you rather be a fugitive behind enemy lines or enjoying nice walks in the park and eating chocolate bars?
Would you rather be alone with an enemy who may or may not be carrying a shiv or would you rather have a guard accompany you?
>He can't even physically overpower one prisoner
Ngmi as an evil overlord
Torture always works, in that it gets people to talk. Unfortunately they will usually say whatever they think will make the torture stop.
Zone of Truth actually makes torture effective, because assuming it worked and the save wasn't passed, all that they can say now is the truth. So you are free to torture them until they tell you all you want to know. Its one weakness is that you can't tell if they passed their will save. You could potentially have a cleric cast Communion to ask their deity to verify that ZoT worked or verify other info they gave you under interrogation.
Typical Harper Tactics
Aren't Harpers just fantasy glowies?
The Harper's are Chaotic Good Glowies beholden to the collapsed Elven Kingdom of Myth Drannor which on account of it being gone basically have free reign to Assassinate, Cover Up, and Manipulate however they please in order to create a free world.
For instance they actively blunt the creation of new technologies out of fear that one nation would use this new tech to dominate the others, but if all nations were given this tech at the same time and therefore could not gain an advantage over each other then it would be fine.
congrats on discovering why the evil empire is successful and needs heroes to defeat them, because they actually do shit like that regardless of """"human rights"""" or """"morals"""" or """""due process""""
Very interesting, I don't think I've heard anything of this from the Emperor's central administration
What's the point of erasing his memory, so the monarch will be just as vulnerable to the next one?
I thought the idea was that Liar Darkbad was actually secretly still alive and wanted to lure the monarch into a false sense of security, and alter his memories to forget Liar Darkbad did anything wrong, and to believe everything he wanted.
>we used magic to instantly solve the problem with the "solve the problem spell" so now the quest is over
This is why low-magic settings are superior.
It's not even a matter of magical power, but a matter of how precisely they can shut down a scenario.
Think of how many fantasy stories and fairy tales revolve around curses. Someone is cursed, and the curse can only be broken if a certain action is carried out or object is found to counteract it, and it's an adventure just to do that.
In D&D, it's a 3rd level spell.
>In D&D, it's a 3rd level spell.
I mean that's just for basic curses. You absolutely can have curses that need certain prerequisites fulfilled to break them, and there's instances of things like that in official modules.
I am very confused as to whats happening here.
I can't believe Liar Darkfalse was trying to deceive me! Anyway, his cousin, Satan Deceivil can finally become my advisor! He has asked me a day ago if he could if anything happened to Liar Darkfalse, what a coincidence!
This reminds me of the time I came up with a grimdark edgy low power social intrigue mystery adventure and then put it into the upper tiers of a hack and slash superhero tactics game. Naturally the game failed me even though I made no stupid choices in doing that, and I will be holding a grudge about it forever.
>People arguing about the effects of ZoT instead of the dubious ethics presented
Never change /tg/
What do you think about what
said? That's not really about ethics, but it also isn't about zone of truth.
Also,
wasn't about zone of truth, but truth as a whole.
So...?