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>TEEHEE CLOUD DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE KIDS
>TEEHEE CLOUD DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID X IN NIBELHEIM
>TEEHEE CLOUD DO YOU REMEMBER THIS WATER TOWER
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU FORGOT
>I WISH WE HAVEN'T MET AGAIN
>Kazushige Nojima is involved
You immediately know you're in for kino shit.
This man wants so hard to give Aerith the happy ending she deserves, I know it. I believe he’ll bring us home, boys.
She'll get a happy ending alright
Already killed by Nojima in the game itself, Tifa sister
Anon did you read that image you just posted? That isn't Nojima signaling some happy ending. That image is fricking sad and depressing.
A happy ending for Aerith is Cloud not turning into a mopey fricking mailman for two years because of her.
>This isn't about me. It's about saving the world. And you.
>No matter what happens next, don't blame yourself.
Aerith wants Cloud to be happy. That's it. She knows her destiny. It's his she wants to change. She fell in love with this autistic moron. She knows she has to go but she's doing everything she can to soften the blow.
Final Fantasy VII is and always has been a game about broken people. If you're expecting Aerith to just show up alive and well, marry Cloud, and have his cetra babies...Sorry to say you're delusional.
Relax, sperge. I posted it because it was written by Nojima 8 years ago for the 30th anniversary of Final Fantasy, before the remakes were even released. This man has been thinking about Aerith and Cloud’s relationship for awhile now and even wrote the lyrics to No Promises to Keep himself. He wants them to be together now.
Out of all the devs Nojima is notorious in the community for being a Cloti shipper.
He liked a piece of fanart directed to thanking him. The comment even talks about Zerith and that ship has been sunk by the man himself
Zerith is very much alive and well. Aerith says she still loves Zack in Gonagaga
She’s literally worried about him being dead, moron. The whole point of that segment is that Cloud is jealous as frick. Did you sleepwalk through the game and ignore the part where Marlene told Zack Aerith liked Cloud now?
Aerith is flat out in denial that she's important to Zack even though in Crisis Core Aerith is the only thing Zack talks about because she's in denial of the fact that he's dead so she insists that Zack has to have had another girlfriend because otherwise she'd hand to second guess his disappearance.
Crisis core is a retcon
Holy frick. No wonder you can’t get a girl. You have no idea what the frick happened in that scene don’t you?
>Zerith is very much alive and well
No. Rebirth has made it very clear that both Aerith and Cloud are soulmates. If they are not reunited in life, then they will be in the afterlife.
I'm not Aerithgayging, that is just an objective evaluation of their relationship after finishing the game. I always thought that Tifa and Cloud were destined for each other, but I was wrong.
I'm not sure you actually played the game if that's your conclusion.
Anyone who knows the lore trends towards clerith
Cloti is a miserable relationship
Anyone who knows the lore isn't a tumblr-tier shipper, anon. The direction it goes depends on what the story requires.
Right now it's not really trending towards anyone, it's trending towards Cloud being mindbroken over Aerith's death so he either A. created a fake Aerith in his head becaue he can't deal, just like he could deal with Zack's death before or B. it's Jenova frickery. Strong emotions for Aerith are needed for that to work.
>He thinks having halucinations of your dead friend and blocking out the memory of laying her body to rest at the lake because you can't cope with the fact you failed to save her makes you soulmates
lmfao imagine being Barrett standing behind Cloud and watching him talk to himself and smile at nothing beside him while your friend just died to Sephiroth.
The game would be so much shorter if the party just called Cloud out on his bullshit.
>hey cloud you are sephiroth’s puppet
>cloud turns into a black robe
>meteor launches
>game over
It’s so sad and pathetic that you morons will cling so desperately to this because you’re too stupid and stubborn to accept Aerith lived. If Tifa is truly Cloud’s main love interest, then why are all of you so concerned with Aerith “having” to be dead for the story? Shouldn’t Tifa win regardless?
nta, but the game straight up bashes you over the head that Aerith at the end is Jenova. it's not subtle at all.
It's crazy to think that in that short moment Cloud was happier with Jenova than he ever was with Tifa.
If Jenova can make cloud and sephiroth both happy, why shouldn’t she get to eat the lifestream?
That's what eldritch horror mind frickery will do to ya.
Sephiroth was so incredibly happy freeing his "mother" in Nibelheim.
It's honestly one of the few legitimately good new story beats they've done.
>bashes you over the head
>moronic samegay spammer
Disregarded. Frick off.
>samegay spammer
The frick? You can't possibly think a single person in existence is the only one who follows this theory, especially with a streamer having picked up the exact same theory a few days ago (so his simps would also start looking into it)?
FF threads have enough schizos. Don't turn into one yourself.
You use the same exact fricking phrases every thread because you have the brain of a hamster. That’s why everyone knows you’re the same homosexual spamming the same shit every thread. So frick off and have a nice day already.
If you say so scihzo. Fricking weirdo.
Barry take your meds this was my first post after beating rebirth.
This thread is filled with majority shipping crap.
Usually the wrong threads to discuss the ending and the jenova mindbreaking cloud stuff being set up for part 3.
how does it beat you over the head that aerith is jenova?
people weren't even spamming this until recently. all of a sudden it's "just the most obvious thing ever, guys! omg"
Other anon is right.
Too many shipper anons currently, they'll just REEE for 50 or so posts if we get into it and I'm too tired to mess with it.
Maybe someone else can get into it if they feel like.
Aerith acts way too OOC, Then she makes Cloud promise to fight Sephiroth and smiles while the version of Aerith that helps Cloud out in the final battle says to not fight Sephiroth.
He’s just shitposting because he’s psychotically obsessed with the fact the new games aren’t a 1:1 replica of the old game like it’s some sort of sacred bible or something so he spends 16 hours a day since launch trying to derail conversation in these threads
Meds.
How is posting a theory about the ending a shitpost? Sales posting or Nomura-posting is shitposting since they're aimed at just creating arguments. Final Fantasy Y is better than Final Fantasy Z is a shitpost.
Theories are just theories because people like discussions. It only lasts until the next game that confirms it or debunks it.
it's not. that anon is an extreme shipper schizo who thinks the particular theory being discussed is "a single anon who hates the Remakes because it's different than the OG", because they mistake it disrupting their particular ship as "obviously they must hate the game".
it's as dumb as it sounds.
Because it’s a moronic theory with no grounding that he posts over and over again so he can go
>because they mistake it disrupting their particular ship
and
>kek you're a clerith gay aren't you
even though nobody was even talking about shipping because apparently you have to be a shipper to think Aerith is alive
It's literally just another theory. Disagreeing with it doesn't mean "they're obviously doing it to disrupt discussion". You're the only one flipping out about it, or if you're not, it comes across like that in your posts at least.
It's Ganker. People have dumb posts or dumb theories that aren't necessarily shitposting all the goddamn time.
you are 100% a clerith ship shitter
you're the only anon who ALWAYS gets pissed about this theory, nobody else gives a shit
It's not a moronic theory at all. It holds way more weight than the "she's alive" theory, which has the absolute least evidence supporting it. At most, it's dead Lifestream Aerith as a ghost. But likely more just Cloud mind shit, with or without Jenova actually playing any sort of part.
>Aerith is Jenova, I s-s-swear
Explain how Aerith went back millennia in time, then left the planet for the stars, turned into the world devourer Jenova during her journey, then came back to the planet riding on a meteorite with the intention of genociding her fellow Cetra and also consuming the planet.
I am waiting.
>Aerithgay quads
The pay off for this line is in that “final” Cloud and Aerith date in the ending.
Pay attention to the subtitles “Because there’s liking (her still liking Zack as a friend) and the italics liking (her indirectly saying she’s now in love with Cloud).
>Zerith fans are delighted
What the frick, japanese players are just as schizo as westerners.
This shit was years ago
For Remake? Do Zack and Aerith even interact there?
Of course not, but it's not like they actually care about Zerith. Zack is just a tool for them because with him in the picture they think Tifa won't have any competition.
It's not about caring about specific relationships, it's about fan service.
There's an entire generation whose entry point to FF7 was Crisis Core, and those kids love Zack. So to appeal to those fans, Square would create an excuse to both bring back Zack, and have some way for Zack and Aerith to reunite.
OG FF7 fans would mostly be fine wither Cloud being with either Tifa or Aerith, but to appease that younger group of fans, they'd more than likely pair with Tifa so Zack and Aerith could get together.
The Remake Trilogy is literally "fan service, the trilogy". It's not as artistic as people want to pretend it is. It's pretty corporate.
>He wants them to be together now.
Jesus Christ this copium.
Everything in the game itself points to this ending the same way, only this time it'll be more bittersweet.
It's fricking obvious to anyone that doesn't have shipper gay goggles glued to their face 24/7.
Good to see you Tifagays so far in denial that you’re being willfully moronic about Aerith living at the end of Rebirth and are still delusional enough to believe that the story will end 100% the same despite the added multiverse and defeating fate itself because you know Tifa can’t end up with Cloud if Aerith is still alive. Complete and utter cope.
>Good to see you Tifagays
Here is my original post
Show me where I mentioned or insinuated Tifa ONCE.
Everyone who doesn't agree with you people is just a Clotigay by default.
I am not a shipper homosexual. I don't care about it. I'm just here to tell you that you're so fricking blinded by your own shipping war shit that you're only fricking focusing on ONE song in an 80 hour game and two somber toned dates as proof Aerith is going to be alive and well while ignoring all the context clues that she very much won't be.
Not him but you’re still moronic if you think things are going to end identically and the only reason things haven’t changed yet is because they’re trying to hit the same story beats and locals as the original game.
Jesus fricking Christ get this man a dentist
how does someone even get teeth that orange? does he never brush his teeth or something?
It is photoshopped.
Why is that baby chocobo so smug?
Aerithgays think Nojima is writing for them when he's always written Cloud for Tifa even in the novelization. That's why he came up with Zack to give Aerith a consolation prize.
BTFO Aerithgays daily delusions
Even as a Tifabro I never trust interviews/novels/etc since they are always trying to please everyone
It's the main product for me
I don't think a FF7 novel has ever pleased anyone
Yeah I know, specially FFXbros, biggest frick you ever
I loved Traces of Two Pasts, though.
Nomura has never grew out of his edgelord phase. He probably thinks skull chains are still cool.
You morons do realize that’s a screenshot from a notorious tumblrwhale that’s an obsessed Tifa shipper, right?
No, i dont visit fricking tumblr like you
And?
She unironically thinks the devs hate Aerith and that she has a will of her own. Anything she says should be labeled as pure mental illness.
>Literally tumblr screencaps
All shippers hate the other girl
Tifa shippers unironically hate Aerith, but i don't think Aerith shippers hate Tifa to that extent.
You are both equally bad
Why would Tifashippers hate the dead girl? Aerith literally cannot even win or end up with Cloud. it's just schizo Aerithgays who talked about themselves as the winners.
Acting smug about being the "winner" when the only reason you "won" is because the other girl is dead is not the win you think it is, Tifagay.
I mean we could spend all day like this but I don't know why waste time on Twitter
I read this as VA's should be neutral and not take a side in ship wars. I don't see hate for Tifa here.
More interesting is, that knowing the end of FF7Rebirth, i think Cloud's VA, even if he said the OG words, he knows that Aerith survived and Cloud was happy in the end, but Tifa almost died because of Cloud. So he tried to tease the fans about the lore with "will Tifa die in the game?"
Jesus. Shipping autists have got to be the absolute worst fricking part of any game, show, or comic there is.
Frick off with this "it's distasteful for some VA to have an opinion about who their character cares for" crap.
Cloud's Jap VA is a huge Tigay.
The war was over before it began.
Isn't Sakurai in deep shit for multiple scandals/affairs recently
Yeah, he's not really getting any new roles. Zack's VA also got shat on because of that too because he supposedly knew everything
Japs have oneitis when it comes to VA
Outside of murder or them dying they're not getting replaced
The Western meta of hiring literal whos and failed Hollywood actors is actually even more effective, keeps everyone behaved since they can be recasted on the fly
His talent agency fired him last year and he got recast in a bunch of anime. He also has no other announced upcoming roles as of now.
>I don't like that he didnt' choose my waifu so I hope he loses every job opportunity ever.
Damn, you shippers are fricking cringe and fierce at the same time, ain't ya?Imagine how childish you have to be to go at a person like that because your perceptions weren't met in a fricking videogame. Sad.
>Cloud VA cheats on his wife/gf
The universe has a wonderful sense of humor.
sephiroth's jp va is like the king of fujo/gay shit too
Sephirothfujos are just too old or trooned
Shit feels empty without them
Isnt it basically a rite of passage in the seiyuu industry for male voice actors to do BL?
Morikawa is close to 60 now and he's been active for over three decades.
something like that. all the popular veteran male voice actors have done a BL cd at some point but for the newer generation it isn't really a requirement. morikawa has been around for decades though and in multiple BL series/games hence him being king of fujos.
>You WILL eat these noodles
>Cloud does
>Good boy
Holy kek.
He didn't just cheat, he apparently kept telling his side piece that he wasn't even married for 10 years.
its all so tiresome
He also had an affair with a third girl whom he asked to shave before sending him nudes (this actually became a meme in nipland I think)
Jap VAs are as degenerate as Hollywood celebrities.
Men who prefers Tifa only looks at the physical attraction.
Yes, she is beautiful outside and inside
Idk a ton of girls like Tifa, my sister even half cosplayed as her
Shebis just beautiful, cool, kind, and a shy dork inside
>Sister
Same, my sister used to be obsessed with Tifa and Rinoa kek, then Yuna.
Based
God Dissidia NT was so weird, loved the psp ones though
Wish they made a FF musou
Not worth it, online was dead anyway
Her nose is more pointed and less eastern looking here.
I like Clerith but this Margo chick is obviously still just a kid. The fact that Briana herself has to constantly remind her audiences/fellow Cleriths that the VAs are not their characters speaks volumes on some of the more insane Twitter shippers
It's generally the other way around. At least here on Ganker
Yeah
Come on Cloud cared about both, then again I dont have a vegana so I lack that twisted female hatred
She actually had a valid point here.
No fricking way Tifa didn't tell Aerith about that water tower.
You must be a woman
Nope. I'm a man.
No man would ever give a shit about a spot some girl used to sit on when she was like 12.
If I knew a spot had romantic significance to a woman I was attracted to, I woud.
As if Aerithgays didnt seriously believe Cloud wanted to murder Tifa
kek on the GS date Tifa lies to Aerith about Cloud remembering Zack so that Aerith gives up on Cloud.
Tifa chads, we won, and will continue winning in part 3.
Chads don't support racemixing
Frog sex
>4-8 Productions guy dick sucks Rebirth the whole time
>The one thing that made him mad and sperg out was the popup saying the date was coming up at the Gold Saucer
???
He's the only opinion that matters
And he is right
Everyone has parents related problems in that game
>Cloud watch his mother die in fire
>Sephiroth killed Tifa's father
>Barret's best frien die and now he has to take care of his daughter
>Aerith watched his mother die
>Red hated his dad until they knew the truth about him
>In the original, Yuffie hated his dad for being lazy
>Vincent father died by an experiment with Lucrecia
The game was first inspired by Sakaguchi's mother's death. that's why it's all about lost and the afterlife.
I knew that, but is weird that everything is parent related, did nobody had a brother or uncle?
Why'd he kill Glenn?
He is not dead, he will be the main villain of part 3, they will recreate the I am your father scene
He's blatantly shown to be dead, and being copied by Jenova/Sephiroth to manipulate Rufus.
Na, if that was the case, he could have been any other person, and Square would not make a mobile game with him as the protagonist just to kill him immediately, they wouldn't be so moronic, isn't it?
>they wouldn't be so moronic
Modern Square?
You already know the answer to that
>He is not dead, he will be the main villain of part 3, they will recreate the I am your father scene
There is 0% chance they're going to make Glenn Cloud's father. That'd be stupid as hell.
death to all shipper shitters
>Unironically posting tumblr screencaps to get validation from us chuds
LMAO, WOMEN
of all the places where women could post, why would they post here?
Why are people still shipping? It literally doesn't matter at this point.
Real Aerith is dead (and in the Lifestream) and the current one Cloud sees is just Jenova mind frickery, and Tifa and Cloud getting together is pretty much a forgone conclusion because Advent Children exists basically say its what ultimately happens.
It's not even a good relationship because Clouds a depressed sack of shit by the time of AC anyway, so even the Tifa+Cloud shippers lose.
Timeline where aerith does survive and has reached the ripe age of 25. No, you cannot refute this because multiverses is now canon.
That timeline can exist, but for the purposes of the game, it doesn't matter.
The timeline we're following after the merge has Aerith being dead, like the OG, but with the added roadbump of Cloud having delusions of an out-of-character Aerith (whether that's Jenova or not is up for debate).
What is more than likely going to happen is that some point, after Zack has helped the party in some way in part 3, he'll reunite with Aerith at the ending in the lifestream. Of course I'm only saying likely, they could go wildly different if they feel like.
>they could go wildly different if they feel like
I hope so. If they’re going to do this multiverse shit and have changing the og ff7 fate as a theme then at least commit to it. Pussying out into the standard route at the end is the most boring thing they can do now and renders these new concepts useless
cuddling under the highwind?
I want someone that had a miserable life to die tragically so the main character can get with a girl that didn’t even give him the time of day or defend from bullying until he left home just because I prefer big boobs!
I want Cloud and Zack to get together and ditch both Aerith and Tifa, if only so these goddamn annoying fricks in Rebirth threads obsessed with Cloud+Aerith or Tifa are ALL collectively pissed off.
I don't care. Get those Sweet Baby bucks and go full gay C+Z if it causes eternal shipper anger.
>going gay when there's perfectly good hetero alternatives available
>16
>-500000 ESG score
For me its Sephiroth x Cloud. Just let Sephi win with his cute boytoy/puppet for once.
That's hardcore abuse and Cloud is not into it. Sephiroth should get his Loveless bff back and stop seething.
>Sephiroth should get his Loveless bff back and stop seething.
Only if they actually stop Genesis from being annoying as frick in part 3 given that he shows up
They absolutely fumbled Roche.
When he finally becomes a threat, you beat him and suddenly conjures robes out of thin air, and becomes mindless.
That's probably the most tonally awkward scene in the entire game.
I really liked Roche. They should gave kept him around for the third game.
Tifa dating Emilio to make Cloud jealous, when?
>never bothers asking cloud what actually happened since he’s the only one that actually knows
>stands by and lets cloud get the shit kicked out of him by three kids at once
Tifa is obviously Cloud’s true love.
Tifa is a selfish b***h who ruined Cloud's life and made him feel completely miserable
Why is he so handsome? Isn't he a bad guy?
Clotigays unironically think the devs would have created the greatest love song in FF history, have Aerith sing it for Cloud, essentially confessing her feelings for him... Confirm that she now loves Cloud more than Zack, have Marlene tell Zack twice that Aerith has feelings for Cloud and him being fine with it and even supporting them AND they still think Aerith will go back to Zack in part 3. They just want to ruin Aerith's character, let that sink in.
Aerith and Zack will join the party in part 3 halfway into the game.
Could do a GBA FF2 type of thing, where while the main party fights Sephiroth/Jenova in the physical world, Lifestream Aerith and a deceased Zack (falls at some point while helping the main party) has to fight Sephiroth within the Lifestream.
Nah, they're going to pull Marvel bullshit to bring another Aerith (who has the memories of the other ones) and lone wolf Zack from the other world.
Going to be even more hilarious when they join in after Cloud gets mako'd and Zack becomes the default party leader instead of like Tifa or Cid.
They could of course do that, but god that would suck ass. Having someone other than Cloud (or Zack) be the party leader for a time would be nice to have a decent period of time without "sword guy hitting boxes" field exploration.
>no new doujinshi announced
>Lack of new porn
Unironic flop
>implying anything other than gachaslop gets doujins nowadays
FoTM slop which is what this is gets at least a few doujinshi. Even Fire Emblem Engage which flopped got a few doujinshi. Remake got plenty of doujinshi
>Shipping wars for a game that is decades old
>Shipping wars for a game where one of the shipping participants died
It came out a month ago
>tHE GAME IS JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL ITS A FAITHFUL REMAKE
>original didnt have constant shipping conversations because there wasnt a conversation
lol lmao
Grow a brain
remake of the part of FF7 where it was basically a dating simulator. turns out the dating sim and relationships Cloud forms are a big part of the game and people are talking about it. WOW
Screencap this. Sephiroth will join Cloud in Part 3. We'll see a multiverse Sephiroth who embraced his humanity and saw that Jenova was using him and it'll be Terminator 2 style where we think he's the villain when he was helping Cloud all along to take down Jenova.
>Sephiroth will join Cloud in Part 3
Possible, but Sephiroth is dead and his consciousness was assimilated by Jenova. His mind would have to be separated from Jenova and he would need a corporeal body as well.
Our Sephiroth is dead but there is still First Soldier Sephiroth and Evercrisis Sephiroth and Stamp's Sephiroth. It's the bag of worms you open when you do Multiverse stories.
pretty sure shippertrannies are why artists havent touched rebirth compared to the OG and Remake
All the NSFW art I've been seeing was Cloud and Tifa. Especially with the Italian senate shit.
I mostly follow japanese artists and have hardly seen anything and rule34xxx is full of AIsloppa
has sakimichan gotten worse?
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought it looked like shit.
Yeah she's becoming worse.
Now her work looks really close to something an AI could shit out. You could argue her art was always soulless but I think it used to still have that clear personal touch. Not so much anymore.
>release the Clerith game
>highest scoring FF ever and regarded by many to be lne of the greatest videogames of all time.
Part 3 is going all in on Clerith now.
I wish Rebirth covered more ground. They've got so much to do in Part 3.
Part 3 will only have the snowboarding minigame, the rest will be real chapters
My beautiful wife Aerith
My Eldritch Horror Space Mommy can't be this cute
how long should Tifa try to get with Cloud before she realizes it is hopeless and time to move on?
Tifa has oneitis
She'll also get a sex scene in part 3 under the Highwind
everyone has gone through oneitis
Only Tifa and Cissnei
Aerith dumped Zack when she saw Cloud, that's not oneitis
What effectively changes now that Rufus knows the Glenn he sees was just Jenova/Sephiroth stuff?
The war is still going to go forward, so nothing effectively changes?
Is this the thread where Jenova is a trigger word?
I want a timeline with a Rufus that doesn't have that stupid belt coat.
My non stop obsessing over this Aerith schizo is eating into my non stop obsessing over Jimbo, but I must admit after so many years it's nice to have something new to talk about. Especially since my Jimbo posting kind of hit a wall and was starting to frustrate me.
Sex with rufus in his office.
It’s a big office
Bro wtf was up with Cid and Aerith? Did Cid bang Aerith's mom?
Cid was a teenager wannabe pilot who got his first stiffies after seeing prime Ifalna.
If he were a wee bit older I'm sure Hojo would have locked him in a room with her.
Cid is genetically worthless to Hojo. If he didn't try breeding her with prime 1st Class SOLDIERs, why would he care about some random pilot?
More Cetras means more test subjects.
He let his scientist subordinate frick her. Surprised he didn't coax Angeal and Genesis to breed her, not even any of the old Turks like Vincent or third class losers.
What he didn't do was collect her eggs monthly for IVF.
Gast was Hojo's boss
Angeal and Genesis weren't in SOLDIER yet at the time and they were too young to boot. Ifalna escaped in 1992, when Genesis was 15 tops and Angeal was even a bit younger.
He just had a crush on her. I dont think the implication is that a 13-14 year old Cid fricked Ifalna
/ss/ story where Professor Gast asks Cid to bang his wife to preserve the Cetra race while he watches in the corner
Maybe Ifalna did something that saved Cid's assistants life or something? It's obviously something semi-major to the point of him feeling he owes Aerith something.
https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/AthleticAntediluvianKiwiCclamChamp-NO8lB49BLJIHkP6o
This moron gaslighted himself so hard
He actually has a really good point.
Are you serious? He sounds completely unhinged and moronic
Yeah I'm serious. He's got a good point. It makes no sense for Aerith to behave like that after everything she said in Chapter 14 while she was still alive.
???? That's exactly the reason why she would say it. She tried to act like she could handle Sephiroth all on her own and got herself killed. Obviously she would now rely on Cloud after all that happend in the capital. And it's not like she told him to go to the northern frater either, just to stop Sephiroth which was always the plan since Remake. Ya'll are thinking WAY too much into this.
>Ya'll are thinking WAY too much into this.
Not really. It seems pretty straightforward and within the themes they set up throughout the game.
Max sounds like an unhinged conspiracy theorist.
Okay.
The theory itself is pretty reasonable, though.
You’re being played.
Max is a moron. Why did Nanaki feel Aerith? That's obviously Aerith.
>Why did Nanaki feel Aerith?
Same reason he felt Tifa when Jenova was pretending to be her in OG likely. He's a Hojo experiment.
Important distinction is that was a physical piece of Jenova shapeshifting. You’re all arguing that this Jenova is a projection of Cloud’s delusion and there’s no reason Red can feel that
Hojo exeriment
>[headcanon]
Who has never been said to have gained any super powers from that.
>super powers
We dont' know what Hojo did to him, or if any Jenova cells were injected.
That's the point. We don't know.
>[headcanon]
You literally get a cutscene earlier that Nanaki was experimented on by Hojo, in addition to it also being part of the OG.
The burden of proof is on the person claiming that something exists, anon. Nonexistence is the default. If there's zero evidence that Hojo gave Red special powers then the reasonable assumption is that there aren't any.
It's a THEORY anon. People are guessing based on evidence available and guessing on possibilities. Nobody is saying "this is DEFINITELY how it is".
When you keep replying random post with your shitty theory, it's still shit.
It would have to mean that Hojo managed to tie Cloud’s consciousness to Red. Shows you the amount of the mind bending you have to do to make this theory work
Also doesnt explain why Cloud now sees the crack in the sky
No it doesn't.
You just need Jenova cells. Same way all the black robes and Cloud are compelled.
Again, we don't know. There's no more mind bending than the "she's alive" nonsense.
I didn’t claim she was alive. I’m personally convinced it’s just her lifestream projection saying her farewell. Her demeanor is exactly the same as in the ‘dream’ date.
>called the timelines
>called the 2nd game being called Rebirth
>missed the whispers returning (thought they'd disappear)
>called Advent Children-era Sephiroth
>now calling the Jenova faking Aerith twitst, following the Jenova faking Tifa misdirect that Sephiroth did earlier in the game
Would actually be pretty clever of Square if they go this direction.
Dude really wants to believe that Jenova is fricking with Cloud.
>Dude really wants to believe that Jenova is fricking with Cloud.
I'll rephrase that. Impersonating Aerith to frick with Cloud.
It makes sense. Not a guarantee of course, but the writers obviously want some sort of vague shit to be theorized on like with after Remake. With how much they pushed the Sephiroth trying to convince Cloud Tifa was Jenova earlier in the game as a misdirect, it definitely seems like the writers were playing with the idea in their heads when writing this stuff. Very much in the realm of possibility (or it might be another red herring)
>https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/AthleticAntediluvianKiwiCclamChamp-NO8lB49BLJIHkP6o
Occam's razor: The most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
That said, this is just a light-hearted send-off. I know Max really wants to understand what is going on, we all do after this cliffhanger, but he really needs to stop gaslighting himself.
Don't really see it as gaslighting. It's a very reasonable take with what the game set up throughout.
Explain yourself or you're just trolling.
nta, but the game sets up the Jenova gaslighting from Sephiroth as early as Kalm, using Tifa. It's a bit meta, but from a writers standpoint, introducing that idea early on so it can be used as a major plot point much later in the story is a basic story technique.
Aerith behaves very strangely throughout the post-pool burial scene and the ending bronco scene. It's done in such a way to wear she doesn't behave in a way that makes sense (if she's a ghost and the others can't see her, why is she acting like she's alive in response to things happening around her like the cheering, and not showing any empathy to Tifa's crying).
Throughout the last chapter, they keep giving lore about Jenova taking the forms of the dead to trick the Cetra. This is in addition to all of the earlier gaslighting by Sephiroth to Cloud.
The first appearance of Aerith again post-pool burial is after his weird headache flashback, to a creepy music-accompanied Aerith turning her head to look at him and smile in an uncomfortable manner.
This is definitely not all hard proof, but it points to it being a reasonable possibility. At least that's how I see it, not sure how anyone else does.
I'm not too hardcore into tihs one though, it's also possible it's just lifestream Aerith, and she's focused on other stuff, and the creepy music stuff was more to how Cloud is messed up and not admitting that Aerith is dead.
Aerith not pushing it would be similar to why Tifa wouldnt push it. Might break Cloud worse.
So... who knows what's actually happening. We'll see in 3-4 years.
>not showing any empathy to Tifa's crying
This I disagree with, she looks pretty sad over how Red and Tifa are sitting mourning together and even consoles Red in a way.
>Aerith behaves very strangely throughout the post-pool burial scene and the ending bronco scene.
The music and the overall setting give cheerful/optimistic vibe. It's the opposite of something malignant happening.
>why is she acting like she's alive in response to things happening around her like the cheering
Because she's alive (or at least some people do) and she can see both worlds like Cloud does.
>not showing any empathy to Tifa's crying
She did to Red. And Yuffie too.
Why would Aerith not want Cloud to fight Sephiroth? She’s in the lifestream now which means she can see the future again. She has to do the Holy thing, he has to fight Sephiroth. That is how they win in the original game. Literally nothing weird about it.
You gays are worse than telenovela following housewives
so if Aerith and Tifa talked together about Cloud all the time why was Tifa always jealous?
because b***h was clinging into her man too much. imagine you had a crush and even though her gay best friend says he's gay in the back of your mind you still question if the dude is trying to frick her.
Because she really suffered from oneitis and couldn't bear the thought of Cloud talking to another woman.
If you want women to be infatuated with you this badly, just ignore them
if Tifa was a guy she would be labeled an Incel.
Tifa didn't really care what happened to her other actual friends.
how? women cant be incels. if Tifa was a guy she would be a 10/10 chad corresponding to being a 10/10 gigastacy and would have no trouble finding women
>virgin
>seethes about their competition
>has an obsessive crush that's borderline unhealthy
> Joins a terrorist group
>is a coward and simps for their crush even though they know they are spilling bullshit
Gee I don't know how Tifa isn't a incel
Feisty, I like her. I can fix her.
Tifa is actually hot though, unlike incels
Beliving that a hot woman, dressing like a stripper and working in a bar in the biggest city on the planet will saty virgin and waiting 5-7 years for an autistic incel she talked a couple times as a kid is the ultimate incel fantasy. She didn't even know for sure if he is alive all this years. This is low tier, stupid writhing.
it isnt that unbelievable actually. in-universe Cloud is an alpha chad. a woman would literally join the islamic state to be with chad
>If you want women to be infatuated with you this badly, just ignore them
that only works if they find you attractive. If you are incel and ignore women you just continue to be invisible
From her point of view, Cloud is her man since she met him first.
It's unrealistic that they're buddies, even in anime they would be at each other's throats.
She thirsty af.
Just like her asian Mother, she wants to racemix with a white wiener. This was not in remake ,but in rebirth They made Nibelheim a globohomosexual shit hole with black people and Wutai imigrants.
Based Sephiroth, almost genocided them
rebirth lacked jealousy scenes outside of the kalm escape cutscene
remake was kino because every chapter had one
wrong
she's not jealous here though
neither was tifa
Tifa was watching Aerith and her childhood crush in their "spot" from her window. That shit was cucked as frick
reddit fantasy 7 redditbirth
Daily reminder that Cloud was just a bum with barely any memory before he got roped in to become a terrorist by Tifa.
Tifa is practically Satan.
Is Tifa still considered a jobber nowadays?
tifa is stilll the best character in the game combat-wise
you could argue yuffie is more fun but tifa is the boss nuker
>[stupid theory]
>wow that’s really moronic
>nah, it actually makes a lot of sense
>no it doesn’t
>yeah it does, it’s so obvious
>it really doesn’t make any sense though because x, y, and z
>no, it does. it’s so in your face
This is literally going to be 50% of threads going forward until part 3
It's not obvious. I'm just saying it's a reasonable take, among several.
The writers obviously set it up as a possibility. They want that theorizing again like with Remake.
Hopefully Ultimania will put it to rest
There will just be a new shitpost derived out of intention misinterpretation of the material
no matter what it says, either side will pretend that it's wrong if it doesn't follow their personal theory
it's gotten stupid
>it really doesn’t make any sense though because x, y, and z
>no, it does, because a, b, and c
C'mon anon. Don't even pretend that it's clear, and that only one side has given examples and evidence.
>[reasonable theory]
>wow that’s really moronic
>nah, it actually makes a lot of sense
>no it doesn’t
>yeah it does, but it's not a guarantee
>no it's stupid, stop talking about it I'm getting mad
>no, it does, because x, y, and z
>nuh uh, you're a single anon that's shitposting and you hate the game
fixed it for you
Yup, can’t even talk about the game anymore because people just keep getting baited into arguing about 1 unsubstantiated theory that keeps getting posted just to start arguments with people.
i'm sure it's occasionally posted to bait the weird shippers, but obviously it's not ALWAYS posted to start arguments. it's talking about the game's ending, just like any other game. it's deliberately designed in a way to be vague, so of course people are going to theorize
"There's multiple timelines" used to be a theory that was posted after Remake that "baited" people into arguments.
Just because people argue, doesn't mean that it's wrong.
Just because you can post, doesn't mean you have evidence.
Just because you can post, doesn't mean you have evidence either.
I can also make super useful posts just like you.
The burden of proof is on someone who posts the theory first, moron.
You're legitimately moronic anon.
Theory.
And you legitimately have no evidence to back up your "theory".
You were given evidence. You went "nuh uh".
I don't care enough to continue with your autism anon. Get your last reply to this with whatever dunk you need for closure.
>Say "you're moronic"
>This counts as evidence
lmao
can't even have comfy theory threads anymore cuz tryhard homosexuals HAVE to be right
The jenova theory thing is immediately met with hostility for merely mentioning it because of shipping shit.
It didn't used to be this bad.
No. It was met with hostility because people keep spamming it without evidence, and they keep shilling it by replying it to non-theory posts. It's disingenuous and trolling at best.
I have debunked that theory here
and nobody has replied to me. They don't have a good faith for discussion.
You totally don't sound mad at all
way to prove the point anon...
Prove the point what? That they're toxic gaslighter?
>I just don't give a shit enough to go back and forth about it
That means you have no arguments left, buddy
I know. It's just fun for while. Not everyday I get this much seething (You)s.
I'm just having fun my way.
More like moronic theory.
>That means you have no arguments left, buddy
If you want to believe that, I don't mind.
Good. Stop replying with your moronic theories next time.
Mentally ill.
It's not my moronic theory anon. It's one of the theories floating around, and I'll repeat again since you're apparently too angry to have comprehended it the first time: I don't even think it's necessarily correct, it's just one of several plausible theories.
Stop getting mad about things that aren't real. It's dumb.
Well, sorry if I were harsh to you, but I keep receiving replies shilling it, to my non-theory post, despite I already brushed it off.
The fact that almost nobody ever think about it, but only in recent days thanks to dood, is just plain stupid. People keep parroting e-celeb in every post and tried to derail the discussion.
I know Ganker is not one person, but still.
You haven't debunked that theory. I'm the one you responded to. I just don't give a shit enough to go back and forth about it, especially since I ONLY consider it one of several possibilities.
You’re falling for their bait. The only winning move is to not reply to them
You two take fictional theories FAR too damn seriously. Grow the frick up. It's not that important.
You just keep proving anons right. It's a funny theory like Tifanova was
This
Why are you morons so hellbent on it being debunked or supposed >trolling? Who gives a frick you fricking autists? People are just saying shit they think sounds plausible because it's a theory. Are you mentally ill?
Why does being told no make you so upset? Parents never used that word with you? Were you parents special little baby that could do no wrong? Lmfao, grow up dude. Not everyone is around to fluff up your ego.
>People are just saying shit they think sounds plausible because it's a theory. Are you mentally ill?
FF thread. Always has a few crazies unfortunately. There's at least two anons who are losing their shit about others having fictional theories.
They're pretending very hard that their own personal shipping isn't involved, but the amount of die-hard dedication and emotion they put behind it says otherwise.
Does Reeve meow in his office when he's alone?
why have people been deliberately misinterpreting the relationship between cloti and clerith for the past month?
nah it's just Aerithgays being delusional.
nah it's just tifagays being delusional.
Once again, some shipper anon derails the thread because someone mentioned Jenova.
Cool. So glad these threads are always so extremely reasonable.
I'd have sex with Jenova
if Tifa really doesnt know Cloud so well... what is her motivation for trying to start a romantic relationship with him in the middle of a world-ending crisis?
Love is irrational
>WHY YES I LOOKED INTO YOUR STUFF
>I TOOK OUT SOME OF YOUR PANTIES AND KEPT THEM AS A MEMENTO
why did Hojo never experiment on himself?
He does in the OG, he eventually injects himself with Jenova cells and becomes Heretic Hojo
Cumming in public is immoral, Rufus.
Why did they remove Tifa's reddish eyes? Hope they come back for part 3
She still seems to have them.
see
Mi esposa
She’s the only person with unnatural eye colors besides SOLDIERs in FF7. Might as well make them brown since anime hair and eye colors mostly don’t exist in FF7
Vincent also had red eyes when he was a Turk IIRC.
what if Tifa is Jenova?
https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/AwkwardHelpfulTomatoThisIsSparta-bx7wU7HZLHQlpcIX
https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/ZealousFurtiveTofuPipeHype-kFFACHVy0ynXJeWn
clerithCHADS we won! we shut him up!
Nobody FRICKS with us
I don't understand why morons were seething about his theories. Who gives a frick if it's right or not?
I got some aerithhomosexual mad at me for asking about this theory when I used to post WHAT IF TIFA IS JENOVA in the past kek
Shippers dude. It happens in every groups of fans of anything, and it always get super weirdly serious.
I haven't heard it with FF7, but I've heard of death threats happening in some anime communities over ships not happening.
The problem is it's not just his theories and it's not just him as a singular person.
It's the fact that his incredibly stupid theory makes zero sense when you start to think about it, and yet he is ADAMANT that he is correct, and not only that, he spent like 3 hours on the EZA Spoilercast being adamant about how right he is.
And now people that didn't play the game that just listen to him are parroting the same moronic ass theory.
It he was just some random nobody posting ideas and theories that's one thing. But he's like THE single most popular content creator that's covering the game and his shitty ass fanbase is going to ruin conversationa bout this game for the next 4 years.
The last two days have already been insufferable reading the 2-3 anons that keep repeating the same "Jenova is Aerith" nonsense, do you really want another 4 years of that?
I don't get why MAXDOOD is known as "the FF7" guy. He barely knows anything about the game other than surface level knowledge of the original. He isn't familiar with many other FF games, he hasn't read any of the supplimental material (but will always bring them up and say "ohh no I don't wanna talk about that those are BIG spoilers!"). It's insufferable.
Good lord you shippers are so fricking creepy
Buddy I don't give a shit about shipping characters one way or another because I'm not a tumblrina.
I care about discussing the game, the story, and the ending, and you can't discuss that shit anymore without MAXDOOD fans dragging the whole conversation down because they won't shut the frick up about Aerith at the end being Jenova.
Whenever you're confronted by gays like that just tell them to frick off and ignore them they'll move on eventually.
kek, the mentally ill shippers support group is here
Samegay
>dragging the whole conversation down because they won't shut the frick up about Aerith at the end being Jenova
That the whole point and the only reason why they’re doing it
Anon, people just want to talk theories. That's fricking normal, you autist
Stop getting angry at theories not being your own theory, just move on
I just want a crazy Cloud dealing with a creepy alien, don't give a frick about shipping
For some reason Max is seen as a deity in the FF7R fandom
he pretty much made the game
Why is that old man hiding his phone from max while filming him
That's babyseal, one of maxs many pathetic leghumpers
He is unironically deeply mentally ill
Who are these people
>It's the fact that his incredibly stupid theory makes zero sense when you start to think about it, and yet he is ADAMANT that he is correct,
Reminds me of all the Aerith gays who can't cope with her being dead again and need to cling to NPTK like a secuirty blanket as proof she'll be alive and happy and have a storybook happy ending with Cloud when that spits in the face of the truest theme in Final Fantasy VII and completely invalidates the game's existence.
>Clerith
>Cloti
>same thing as Twilight fandoms
The Final Fantasy fandom acts like little/teenagers girls. It's embarrassing.
>>same thing as Twilight fandoms
Don't forget Naruto and Bleach
https://imgur.com/a/XKwJ4/
>implying FFans aren't girls or virgin neckbeards
I agree with him. There’s too much mental illness in this fanbase so discussing this game on Ganker has been pretty shit since day one.
That plays a role but he’s also mad that people arent kissing his ass like they did with his part 1 theories so he takes the victim stance
>Max throws harmless theories into the room
>Manbabies seethe
I don't agree with everything Max says either, but there is nothing wrong with crafting theories. Grow the frick up.
>https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/AwkwardHelpfulTomatoThisIsSparta-bx7wU7HZLHQlpcIX
>https://www.twitch.tv/maximilian_dood/clip/ZealousFurtiveTofuPipeHype-kFFACHVy0ynXJeWn
Oh, this thread is even funnier with this context.
>it was fun in the first game
Because people agreed with him then, now they don’t and it’s not fun anymore? Lol.
Not that I disagree a good portion of this fanbase is deranged. But that has been true for 20+ years.
It's more like some of the anons in here, where they're taking it way too damn seriously and getting angry over it.
It's even more weird than it was with Remake for whatever reason.
Max also finished remake on time so it was easier to speculate, with rebirth he had to interrup the playthrough more than once and by the time he got it done fixing up theories from the get go like he did when he finally finished rebirth was just dumb
Cloti has really went off a deep end, unironicaly using mentaly ill tumblr whale to shit on aerith? that would be a new low If they didnt harass people so often
as an oldgay posting here since 2015 and a boomer that played the original game back in 1997 I can honestly say that I have thought about Cloti at least once a day for the past 27 years.
>oldgay
>2015
why would a biological woman have Tifa as a role model?
See
She is also pretty fun to cosplay I guess? Also personality wise she is more relatable for girls than being an important goddess I guess
Women always liked simple designs and cool female fighters
Also Tifa angsty and doing all she can to save Cloud no matter how shitty everything is
I guess because Tifa acts and reacts more like a real maiden in love and not too much animu like so like they said she is far more approachable for women, also cool tomboy design
For men yeah boobs, but when you get older and you get to know the character you really appreciate the woman who always supported you and looked after you
I unironically thought she was a bawd character before getting to play FF7 for the first time, then it surprised me how sweet she was and cd3 made me root for her
>the woman who always supported you and looked after you
That’s not true at all for Tifa though
Holy that anon who compared Aerithpixietroons to Rukiagays was on point
I will forever mock sakuragays and Rukiagays wherever they are anon
If anything, clotis are very similar to ichirukis
Why SE doesn't stop milking FF7 with shit games and move on?
Hey /ffg/, could you guys frick back off to that mentally ill cesspool you call a general instead of harassing people that actually want to talk about the game?
Cry me a river, homosexual
The Aerith is Jenova theory is just a repeat of Rinoa is Ultimecia
Difference is Rinoagays actually want It to be true since It makes Rinoa and Squall a tragic kino romance while Aerithtards seethe at anyone suggesting it
>since It makes Rinoa and Squall a tragic kino romance
How?
>Rinoagays
Do they actually exist?
Why would Rinoagays want it to be a tragic romance and not an uplifting one like it is already?
tbtbh when hearing the theory for the first time I thought of Hope in Lightning Returns being used by Bhunivelze
Poor Kitase will need to make another debunking video.
I really do wonder if they can even write this into a both cohesive and satisfying ending in part 3. They’ve set up so much stuff in these first 2 games.
Nojima and Nomura are famously really good at writing conclusive endings and wrapping up misteries
>Nojima and Nomura are famously really good at writing
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LEAST DELUSIONAL FANBOY
The absolute state of this post.
Really explains why the discussion in these threads are the way they are when morons can't even pick up on the most obvious use of sarcasm.
If you think that post was sarcastic you're saying remake won't have a satisfying conclusion
Yes? After the fricking trainwreck Rebirth ending was, I have negative expectations with the last game story.
I'm surprised we still have Rebirth doomposters, don't you have DD2 to shitpost about now or whatever <current game> is?
Now say that without crying.
DD2 released and Rebirth threads still have people criticizing it in them. What gives? We should have universal praise by now
Ganker has gotten to the point where every game is doomposted because the only entertainment most of the morons her get out of video games comes from all the gossip surrounding them. I swear to god most of Ganker actively prays for every new game to fail so the can endlessly shit on it.
>I'm surprised we still have Rebirth doomposters
The manbaby brigade has been seething about the new direction of Final Fantasy for over 10 years and I don't see them moving on anytime soon.
>most flawed and notorious example as convoluted and bad writing
>heh how dare you insult my game
I swear you blind fanboys really have zero standards.
Impossible. Just look at this thread, there's literally a handful of anons raging at just people even discussing the possibility of jenova playing a bigger part in the story.
If the game strays just a little from their own headcannon, they will never let it down. That's in addition to the purists who hate its not OG.
Just need to do best they can, have enough people enjoy it, ignore the ones who are always angry.
>raging at just people even discussing the possibility of jenova playing a bigger part in the story.
Because for three days now you idiots have been spamming this moronic ass theory and anytime anyone asks you to actually explain what you're talking about or give some sort of context or proof over what you're talking about, you just sperg out and start screeching about us being shippers or some shit that can't handle their ship going down.
If you have an actual theory that is backed up by information and events in game, I'm down to entertain the idea that it might be legit.
But if your theory is just parroting what some idiot streamer said without any context and can't actually explain it, then you can frick right off. And that's what 99% of the jenova=aerith posting has been.
>you just sperg out and start screeching
...
without a single hint of irony
Serious question. Why are you incapable of ignoring the theory if it makes you so angry? It's obviously seriously affecting you.
But it's not real. It's fictional. Why is this so important to you? I don't get it.
Not him but people keep replying it to non-theory posts and it became annoying quickly.
Also anons who do that are really defensive when being asked for proofs or when someone else debunk it.
What I've seen is people will give their proof, people will disagree and take their own disagreement as proof for some reason, and then recycle how apparently "no proof is never given" because people pretend it was never given.
So you're not being entirely honest here, or you just haven't been in many of these threads.
That's because their "proof" is one single frame where there is one single pixel per eye that is red and is only visible in 4k, and that one of the songs goes from Aeriths theme to Jenovas theme.
That's literally it.
So of course the theory that hinges on those two incredibly stupid things is going to get torn apart and we're going to continue saying no proof is given, because no proof IS given.
At least with the single timeline guy who ranted about the flowers or the multiple timeline guy who ranted about the rainbows backed up their theories with screen shots and evidence from the game, the aerith=jenova dudes just keep screeching NO YOURE WRONG MAX IS RIGHT STOP BULLYING ME AHHHHHHH anytime anyone asks them for actual proof. Kinda like you're doing now.
>Kinda like you're doing now.
>NO YOURE WRONG MAX IS RIGHT STOP BULLYING ME AHHHHHHH
Anon, what the ever-living frick are you going on about?
I did no such thing. This is dumb.
Ironic that you ignore the actual meat of my post and get to the part where I was being hyperbolic, just so you can pull a "AHA! GOTCHA!" on me.
Even more ironic that you still aren't actually addresing my fundamental problem with the theory and how it's presented - exactly like I've been saying you guys have been acting all along.
But of course you won't see it like that, you'll just play the victim like you clearly always do.
If you give a shitty proof, then people disagree and disprove you, then you are silent, it means you are debunked and your proof is fake.
Sure you can say that again on another time, but don't be obnoxious and shill it every time, even on non theory posts.
First off, it doesn't make me angry
Second off, I am perfectly capable of ignoring a theory.
Third, as I've already explained, it's not the theory specifically that annoys me, it's the way everyone that talks about the theory goes about it.
They won't tell you anything about how it makes sense, or what the context is, they'll just say
>it's ok you don't need to understand yet, they'll explain it on part 3
like they have some kind of secret knowledge that they can't share for fear of breaking an NDA or some insane shit.
That's what annoys me about all of this.
As I have said, I have no problem with people having their own theories and backing them up with evidence from in game.
But when "your theory" is just half-assed parroting some streamers half-assed incorrect assumptions about the ending, and then you act smug about it when asked what the frick you mean? You can frick right off.
I enjoy discussing video games and theories around where stories are going. Which has been nearly impossible the last 2-3 days ever since Max beat the game on his stream. Every thread for this game that I've been in since then has just been people arguing about max while jenova=aerith homosexuals just keep posting the same shit over and over and samegayging replies over and over.
>Second off, I am perfectly capable of ignoring a theory.
Then ignore it and let people just talk. Because you've only proven so far that you are not capable of doing so.
Jesus fricking christ dude.
Hey moron - read the next lines
>Third, as I've already explained, it's not the theory specifically that annoys me, it's the way everyone that talks about the theory goes about it.
>They won't tell you anything about how it makes sense, or what the context is, they'll just say
>>it's ok you don't need to understand yet, they'll explain it on part 3
like they have some kind of secret knowledge that they can't share for fear of breaking an NDA or some insane shit.
>That's what annoys me about all of this.
It's hard to ignore when roughly 80% of the posts in any given rebirth thread are now arguing about it.
How come none of you homos ever reply to each other than since you appear to be the only ones interested in talking about this?
Are you not reading the god damn thread? What delusional world do you live in?
Yeah, it’s nothing but you morons samegayging any post that’s tired of hearing about this shit by calling them Aerithgays and shippers.
>Then ignore it and let people just talk
The way they "talked" during the last threads, is less about putting a theory, but more of trolling honestly.
>They won't tell you anything about how it makes sense
People do. It's generally ignored like you've done repeatedly in this thread.
I'm pretty much done at this point though, this thread has gotten stupid and I need to get ready for work.
>i’m pretty much done now
>will continue to antagonize people by playing stupid until the thread archives
Jesus Christ, stop samegayging for frick’s sake, you schizophrenic clown
After 100 hours in Rebirth I can assuredly say Remake is better
why has Tifa never been bold enough to kiss Cloud on the lips?
These are the threads I've wanted us to have for years, but Barry and jimbo made it impossible. Now that it's finally happening I'm realise they were both doing us a favour
Whether or not you like Max, you have to admit, that reaction was pure gold.
https://streamable.com/veytz1
>Expecting Nojima to explain anything
Please just frick off you e-celebrity dickriders having been shitting up these threads for over week now.
No one cares about what some random frickface thinks
in these threads, apparently people do. people have been raging for a good week now.
People with autism and mental illness should be lobotomized.
This should be the end game, cloud can frick off, he’s the reason sephiroth comes back every time
Would be too based of Squenix
Hell no frick boring safe yuri for trannies, one girl needs to lose
>one girl needs to lose
One?
>Aerith dies
>Tifa is lonely
>Yuffie is moronic
Historically speaking, all three of them lose.
After years, even decades, of both sides seething and screaming at each other I just want both sides to get BTFO at this point
Nope, thats the most coward choice.
One ship needs to win either Clerith or Cloti
No.
Advent Children Recomplete will be rewritten so that Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith all live together but Cloud has his own bedroom whole Aerith and Tifa sleep in a room with double beds.
harem or yuffie end
That would be very satisfying
Nobody would give a frick
>nobody would give a frick
>people stop talking about
I only see benefits here
I'm rooting for Square taking the Sweet Baby bucks and going Cloud+Zack. I don't even care at this point, make all the shippers pissed off. Crash this all to the ground.
>C+Z
>Not the clearly superior S+C
it'll be a harem ending where cloud impregnates tifa and aerith.
zack will babysit
At what point in the game does Cloud surpass Zack in terms of strength?
FF is not that kind of series people's power levels are entirely determined by the scenario they're in like Cloud being taken out by a fricking bat.
>Cloud can go full UNGA and just cut through the door after Demon Gate
>can barely push a cart
>in fact Barret pushes the same cart at 2x speed
I really like Rebirth using about 12 Shinra grunts to imply Zack is about to die when he faces worst threats in the first mission of Crisis Core and also tears through elite operatives at the beginning of Rebirth.
the jenova theory is not completely baseless but Max trying to sell it because of red pixels in aerith's eye has to be one of the dumbest ways to sell a theory ive ever seen, it tainted the discussion
Don't forget, it's 1 single red pixel in both eyes and it's only visible if you're playing the game in 4k
that's his smoking gun
lmao
He did say it was a huge reach, and he understood if people called bullshit on that part of it. He was just throwing it out there
Let it go anon, Aerithgays took it like a personal attack
Jenova theory is cool as frick
Always wanted more Jenova
Jenova canonically doesn't have her own will anymore, it's all Sephiroth.
You know, I wonder, out of all the side content, why no prequel story about the Cetra who first encountered, fought, and then sealed Jenova? Maybe even give a name to the woman whose face the alien creature stole.
>Max thinks the muliverse still exists after the events of Rebirth
why would anyone listen to anything this moron has to say when he very clearly has no idea what he's talking about and missed an insane amount of context clues?
He said the opposite, he thinks the multiverse doesn't exist after all of this.
So by your own logic, everyone should listen.
>He said the opposite, he thinks the multiverse doesn't exist after all of this.
No, he didn't. He spent nearly 3 hours on the EZA Spoiler Cast going on about how the multiverse still exists and has to be wrapped up in part 3.
He fully still believes the muliverse is alive, even though the other two dudes on said podcast pushed back and basically said at best there's only a few timelines left. Max was adamant that the infinite muliverse is still there.
He has no fricking idea what he's talking about and has the most surface level braindead takes on everything. And yet he is for some reason akin to a professor to a vast swath of the fanbase.
Dont worry sister, he plays fighting games, I will customize my character as Aerith and KICK HIS ASS! >=>
I was only going off him saying it was no longer there, maybe he changed his mind. I only saw a few clips, I don't watch all those podcasts or watch a whole lot of streams.
Consider Cloud x Barret
we already have the bromance gondola ride
Square Enix liked Max theory
Fans will kill Max now
I wouldn't fricking put it past FF fans. 3 decades worth of built up mental illness.
Interesting these 2-3 shitposters that keep screeching about Aerith shipper failed to notice that Aerith hasn’t even been posted for over 200 replies yet Tifa shipping has been posted a a dozen times yet they haven’t brayed about those posts any. Curious even.
Why did she do it? This is Miranda x Ethan all over again
See this is what I think they would have done if Aerith truly was Jenova, make her eyes light up actually red post credits or something. SE isn’t exactly known for subtle storytelling.
Not subtle, no, but also not necessarily blatantly obvious like glowing red eyes suddenly.
The indication of timelines in Remake was a random Stamp bag with a different dog that most people missed.
no sales
Aerith x Sephiroth makes the most sense narratively
Actual lore sage here to clear the air.
Aerith isn't Jenova.
Aerith died. Jenova is manipulating Cloud and the gang to go north for the reunion by using Aerith's ghost. The reunion is all that matters.
Aerith will be resurrected through a parallel time line.
Sephiroth isn't the bad guy, he is just delusional or controlled by Jenova. Everything Jenova touches is also controlled by her, let alone being injected with her cells.
I hope I made it easy. If it's still hard, remember that it shares the same lore as the Thing.
>Actual lore sage here to clear the air.
>through a parallel time line.
There is only 1 timeline left at the end of rebirth. The multiverse no longer exists. It was merged back into the singlular timeline.
There is nothing to support that theory.
There is far more to support that theory than otherwise.
That’s not true considering they probably would have actually shown that happening considering how important it is to the story, moron.
They did show that happening, moron.
Post it or get the frick out
Two galaxies that that you're looking at during the edge of creation scene and there's the one that that we're looking towards which is your world and then there's the one behind it and that they refer to it as the universe of Destruction and the universe of creation or the life and death right now weirdly Cloud's universe is the one that's referred to as the universe of destruction and the other one is considered the universe of life the one that will become a part of it someday so another detail to this is the pause menu in rebirth takes you to the Temple of the Ancients right so you are in the temple of the Ancients regardless of where you are what is the Temple of the Ancients the Temple of the Ancients isn't where the black material is the Temple of the Ancients is the black Materia yeah so it's almost as if they're in the black Materia because I think a lot of times we hear the life stream and we think oh is the life stream the afterlife not really that's not what the life stream is the life stream is not you know the afterlife the life stream is the functional mechanic that drives the entire universe system forward and there are more than one there are like actually Four named life streams there's the stagnant life stream there's the negative life stream and you could argue that those are both the same thing it's probably that they just didn't think about it real hard and then there's a universal life stream so it's like there's all these life streams so it's possible that what the black materia is because if you look at the walls of the black materia and if you read like say the ultimania descriptions of why the walls in the temple of the Ancients look the way they do it's because they are a time capsule right so the timekeeper there and then they have pictures of all the different phases of the cetra history so it's like a time capsule so it's as if the black Materia is making a backup copy of a universe
I think I've learned today that the FF super fandom is so god damned terrible, that Barry ruining FF threads on Ganker was actually a blessing.
Maybe it's time to follow the other oldgays off this damn board I'm thinking.
>is there 1 or multiple worlds at the end
we dunno
>is aerith alive or dead in every world
we dunno
>why does cloud see the crack
we dunno
>who is aerith at the end
we dunno
>where is zack at the end
we dunno
>why does cloud have the black materia now
we dunno
Bravo nojima
And thats a good thing. Now we get 4 more years of 5 hour long theory videos
>>is there 1 or multiple worlds at the end
>we dunno
The ending of Rebirth makes it perfectly clear that there is only 1 timeline once again
>>is aerith alive or dead in every world
>we dunno
The ending is perfectly clear on the fact that Aerith is dead
>>why does cloud see the crack
>we dunno
Because he has travelled between worlds and becaues Omni-Aeriths frickery has now doomed the prime timeline (we don't know but this is a very logical guess)
is zack at the end
>we dunno
He's back in Midgar, in the main prime timeline. We know this specifically because every single timeline that is not the main prime timeline has flowers wilting away, and the game goes of it's way to show you / tell you that. Zack leaves off in a Aeriths church, with blooming flowers, and the game specifically goes out of it's way to show you said flowers.
>>why does cloud have the black materia now
>we dunno
It was created during the confluence of emotions when Aerith died. Cloud was happy that he saved her, the party was in despair and pain that she was dead. The Gi basically spells it out in the chapter before hand.
Cutscene skippers shouldn't bother trying to discuss the game.
cute theories, shame you can't prove any of them
I can, and have, multiple times.
For Zack stuff - follow the flowers.
For Aerith being dead - they aren't making any actual substantial changes to the story other than Zack floating around, and given what he did in Rebirth that actually amounts to frick all in the long run. Aerith is absolutely without a doubt dead. At best Cloud is in tune with the lifestream Aerith, at worst it's Jenova/Sephiroth causing more hallucinations. Either way, she's dead.
As for the cracks, it's explained what they are, and why peopel are able to see them during the Zack scenes. I suggest you pay more attention - it's explicitly said that people in worlds that have accepted their doomed fate or those can see other worlds have the ability to see the cracks in the sky. It's unclear exactly how Cloud is able to see the crack in the sky, but it's heavily implied that it's a direct result of him being thrown across the multiverse by omni-aerith.
The black materia stuff is just following the basic plot.
>For Zack stuff - follow the flowers.
Flowers start blooming again in Zack's doomed world after he talks with Marlene
>For Aerith being dead - they aren't making any actual substantial changes to the story
I said every world, not main world. What happened to comatose Aerith? Just a dropped plot now? Poor show narratively if so.
>but it's heavily implied that it's a direct result of him being thrown across the multiverse by omni-aerith
Then why does he not see it until after the "confluence" which visually suggests Cloud seeing and experiencing mulitple worlds at once
>I said every world, not main world. What happened to comatose Aerith? Just a dropped plot now? Poor show narratively if so.
The same thing that happened to all the other versions of the characters scattered throughout the timelines.
They were erased when all the timelines merged back into one another.
The point of comatose Aerith/Cloud in Zacks timelines were to have the "dream date" between the two of them and (sort of but not actually) exlain how they're able to be in that world now without physically traveling over there.
>Then why does he not see it until after the "confluence" which visually suggests Cloud seeing and experiencing mulitple worlds at once
He doesn't have a chance to look up in the sky from the time Aerith took him across worlds for their 'dream date' until after the confluence of worlds happens, so we don't actually know what caused his ability to see the crack or when he gained that ability. We do have it explained like 50 hours earlier in the game that the two types of people that can see the crack are those that have accepted their worlds doomed fate, and those that can see other worlds / have travelled to other worlds.
>He doesn't have a chance to look up in the sky from the time Aerith took him across worlds for their 'dream date' until after the confluence of worlds happens
yes he does, they all look up at the sky at all the Sephi whispers going to the capital
>The ending of Rebirth makes it perfectly clear that there is only 1 timeline once again
Black person that's the reunion of the Remakeverse that hasn't happened yet the timelines will merge in Part 3.
>The ending is perfectly clear on the fact that Aerith is dead
We agree on this point however Cloud is seeing Aerith from a "doomed" timeline which is why he can see the crack in the sky
>Because he has travelled between worlds and becaues Omni-Aeriths frickery has now doomed the prime timeline (we don't know but this is a very logical guess)
See above, your theory doesn't account for this.
>He's back in Midgar, in the main prime timeline. We know this specifically because every single timeline that is not the main prime timeline has flowers wilting away, and the game goes of it's way to show you / tell you that. Zack leaves off in a Aeriths church, with blooming flowers, and the game specifically goes out of it's way to show you said flowers.
Except of course for the fact that in the Cloud/Zack portion of the final boss fight Sephiroth sends Zack back to his world and in his last scene Zack even mentions that the worlds will unite again.
>It was created during the confluence of emotions when Aerith died. Cloud was happy that he saved her, the party was in despair and pain that she was dead. The Gi basically spells it out in the chapter before hand.
I admit I haven't given much thought to the black materia but I was under the impression Cloud had the black materia the entire time and that the black materia in the ending is the same one he picked up in the Temple of the Ancients.
>Black person that's the reunion of the Remakeverse that hasn't happened yet the timelines will merge in Part 3.
The biggest tell that there is that the timeline is closed into 1 single timeline again is the fact that they would have to deal with the muliverse somehow in the third game. The introduced the whispers and dealt with the whispers in game 1. They introduced the multiverse and dealt wiht the multiverse in game 2.
Leaving the multiverse ties loose and having to wrap that plotline up in game 3, as well as all of the actual remainign story, puts way to much scope and scale on game 3.
These dirty secret behing the remake series is that they're structured in such a way that other than the expansions on shit like wall market, nothing substantial actually changes. All the key plot points from the original happen almost identical to how they happen in Remake/Rebirth, just with way more convolution to dig through to fully understand whats happening.
Lemme ask you this - the final fight where it's Cloud+Aerith v Sephiroth. Do you believe that is taking place in reality somewhere? Or do you know that it is taking place in Clouds mind, and is a visual representation over the struggle between Sephiroth taking control, and Cloud keeping control, over his own mind?
A lot of people on here seem to think that fight actually happened in the real world and some alternate timeline Aerith jumped across reality to help Cloud out at the last minute, when the game makes it pretty obvious that all of that is happening within Clouds fractured psyche.
The burden of proof is on the person claiming that something exists, anon. Nonexistence is the default. You have not given any proof, you have given an assumption.
There are multiple timelines until proven otherwise.
Yea, and as I've already explained, you need to follow the flowers.
The flowers are about as important as the stamp designs for clueing us in as to whats going on with the multiverse, and yet for whatever reason most people seem to completely ignore them, even though the game goes out of it's way on like half a dozen different occasions to go "HEY PLAYER, YOU SEE THESE FLOWERS THAT ARE DYING THAT WE MENTIONED ARE DYING BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS LOST HOPE AND IS DYING? THEYRE REALLY FRICKING IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MULTIPLE TIMELINES"
Okay but how about you address my point about Zack saying that the worlds will merge again implying that they are still separate.
Why follow the flowers and not the dialogue?
>Okay but how about you address my point about Zack saying that the worlds will merge again implying that they are still separate.
I have addressed this so many goddamn times over the last two weeks it's insane.
You are talking about Zack. A character that has, in every single instance of media he's ever been in, a clueless airhead that has no idea what the frick is happening around him. He even admits as much during the final fight in Rebirth by screaming - quite literally - WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
Why are you guys now suddenly taking this air head who is wrong about everythings word as fact, especially when it involves splitting and merging realities. He has no idea what the frick he's talking about. He's quite literally just repeating whatever Sephiroth just said to him.
>Why follow the flowers and not the dialogue?
Because the game shows you time and time again that the flowers are important and it specifically pans over to flowers at the end where Zack is musing about timelines being remerged. The dialog is a fake out.
But Sephiroth beats it into the player over and over that the reunion is the reunion of the different timelines this time around they can't just play the reunion scene from the OG straight after everything they've done in the remakeverse.
The Cloud/Aerith vs Sephiroth fight seemingly takes place in the world between worlds given that it's a complete white space like the are in which Sephiroth tells Cloud about the existence of the multiple timelines which would explain why Aerith appeared because it's outside of normal time and space.
I wouldn't give it much thought though it was clearly put in because Rebirth is very Cloud and Aerith focused so the devs wanted the final battle be between those two and Sephiroth and Aerith even follows it up by saying nothing they did there mattered.
You use the same exact fricking phrases every thread because you have the brain of a hamster. That’s why everyone knows you’re the same homosexual spamming the same shit every thread. So frick off already.
This is the first time I'm delving into theories about the game I finished it two days ago
>There's clearly two different reuninons.
Fricking source? At no point is that ever made clear to the player and the devs know what people are thinking of when the term reunion comes up so why would they intentionally confuse people like that.
So you're saying for your idea to work you need to deny what's being said in the game and focus on your own headcanon?
There's clearly two different reuninons.
One is the one Sephiroth is talking about - the reunion of worlds.
The other is the one Hojo and the black robes are talking about - the reunion of Jenova like in the OG.
The first reuinon already happened. That's what is happening during the last chapter of the game.
Tifa will win
My heart
This.
We’ll shitpost until we’re the only ones left discussing the game!
See this post 671631374
This is what gaslighting looks like.
Because you can't explain yourself?
You're a nutter. I'm done with you spazzing out. Fictional fricking characters, dude.
Black person that anon explained his points clearly while you only resorted to "this dumb" and "wtf are you going on about".
You clearly can't argue with good intention.
>samegayging
Get help anon.
The one thing truly worse than Barry for FF threads:
Clerith shippers (all shippers, but especially Clerith since they specifically will destroy threads rather than let anyone dare discuss any story/ending/theories)
but clerith is the canon ship
and we'll destroy every FF thread until everyone accepts cleric as the canon ship
Not going to lie guys, I’m going to start filtering these threads. Discussing this shit isn’t even fun anymore since the last couple of days.
>he didn't filter all the shipper portmanteaus years ago during the remake discussion
lmao
Don’t reply to me ever again. Thanks.
There's nothing good to discuss anyway, get fricked
Why are you even here then?
Bro it's Ganker.
You can assume that 50% of posters in any given thread are just shitposters that have no intention of ever playing the game the thread is about, and you won't be far off.
Yup. Shippers destroyed Rebirth threads. Neat.
I used to get so angry at jimbo for making fun of shippers. I owe him an apology.
how can you get a GF IRL?
A guardian force? Do they exist in real life?
i had a dream, where square enix announced rebirth sold 5million copies and they were going to do a remake of 9. Then i woke up and i found out its been a month with no sales number...
horror..
In the off chance that the Jenova thing does end up being true years down the road, it's going to be the funniest god damn story beat ever if I happen to remember this thread and the sheer autism is contained
>yeah, i’ve been shitposting like a straight up homosexual
>but hey that would be funny if i was right though
Arrogant narcissistic sociopathic moron
kek I haven't posted a single theory post.
You have got to admit it'd be funny at this point. Just look at this damn thread
would anyone here want to live in the world of Midgard?
It’s Midgar, not Midgard and the world is called Gaia. Apart from all the legacy Final Fantasy monsters due to being a generic fantasy world, all the freaks and dangerous mutants are caused by the mako reactors mutating them into fiends and they aren’t a natural part of the world.
>the world is called Gaia
It actually isn't. The Planet has never been given an official name in any of the games or Ultimanias. The Gaia thing is a fanon.
>The Gaia thing is a fanon.
It was called that in official promotional material for AC and DoC and a couple of other random places like on some SE websites. I'll agree it's not used in the right places for it to be canon but it's no something fans just came up with on their own either.
>The Gaia thing is a fanon.
Square Enix themselves called the planet Gaia on their Final Fantasy 25th anniversary website years ago.
Yeah, I would kidnap Aerith and turn her into my lovely wife whether she wants it or not
Almost thirty fricking years the Tifa-Aerith gays have been fighting.
I’m so tired bros.
That shit was dead in the water after Crisis Core and ACC why do you think Clerith fans are going crazy right now their ship has had nothing to go on for years.
all this false flagging at clerith bros is hella boring
>clerith bros
There is no such thing as "bros" when it comes to shipping crap. Just troonys
just like with cloti ''people'' then
Correct. All shippers must be purged.
To be fair, the only shippers getting pissed about the Jenova theory stuff are the ones obsessed with Aerith being with Cloud.
So while all shippers are annoying, it's largely one group that's destroying these threads.
Clerithgays are literally larping as Cloti to shit on Nojima
>it was the Aerith fans who harassed Nojima for the trailer, Tifa fas are innocent
Heard that you could find non-beagle Stamp snacks in Gold Saucer or something, was that true or a fricking lie? Cause that could imply the timelines were already partially merging