ffxiv

tech doesn't stop high fantasy. even dnd and pathfinder have aliens and tech.

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Mech_(5e_Creature)

That's shitty homebrew, anon. dandwiki is full of it.

I don't know what anamnesis is, I haven't subbed to the game in a couple of years. Just looking for a reason to resub

it is 100% gonna be mogstation, it was a korean exclusive outfit a couple months ago

Is there a name yet, a way to look this up?

Oh so it's literally just this one outfit, not a gear series

100% going to be mogstation then, $24.99

single
pay up

disgust is not intimidation

no, just aware it's a sweaty neckbeard, troon, or smelly fujo on the other end.

>muh immersion
are you underage?

but anon, all these bawdglam catgirls/middies/lalas/viera/lizards are roleplaying as pornstars and prostitutes. You can't ruin their immersion, especially when they jerk off to their characters

cope

This is something Gridanian savages wear all the time. I've seen it!

Why can't they make more sets like pic related instead of that shit man

Shit taste but gaius armor would be kino

Legatus armor is pretty much the judge sets you can get from Bozja, hell the two legatuses in Endwalker are wearing Bozja sets

these are more acceptable imo because at least it's allagan tech which we saw in MSQ and in the game's setting that allagan tech is rather sci-fi.

>Citing Wikipedia
Desperate?

I said I'm sorry SquareEnix-sama! Please show me a valid source which is convenient to your narrative to prove to me that FFXIV doesn't belong in the MMORPG genre...

i need healing

I hate that they didn't make a weapon set to go along with this gear.

This was a contest winner, those designs are always amazing
See the Allagan tomestone tank gear from stormblood and the mage gear from Swallow's Compass

Brother, are you moronic?
"Glamours exist in game."
That's what I said.
You are arguing against a fabricated person in your head right now, nothing I said relates to what you're complaining about.

>ogrelander

Timeskip budget Ryne

You're wrong it's just an online game

>Citing Wikipedia
Desperate?

>it can only be massive if it has at all times 10000 people in the exact same location
lol
>it can only be rpg if it's a wall of text simulator crpg
lmao

>The game is more similar to GW1 than a MMORPG
zoomy-kun, GW1 was a MMORPG as well.

>WoW
It's like coal mines. Just because you had many desperate people working on the mines doesn't mean it's MMO. Just like miners, wowbucks die because of the sideeffects like picrel

yes, only sandbox games that always have over 10,000 players present in the same location can be considered mmorpgs

>Yes, it's all marketing. The game is more similar to MMORPG than a MMORPG

The absolute state of moronation...

GW1 was not an MMORPG you fricking moron. The game was specifically marketed as an "online RPG", because the devs weren't delusional.

wait till he goes
>uh hur durr it wasn't

[...]
So I guess WoW isn't MMORPG because FFXIV is a WoW-clone which YoshiP admited, right? WoW is a... looter-shooter maybe? What's WoW then anon, help me...

WoW actually utilises it's open-world, had group quests that weren't all relegated to hallway instances or boxed arenas, had actually character building, gear that actually mattered and open-world PvP (optional). FFXIV has done nothing but make the game less and less like an MMO with each expansion, the exceptions being Eureka and Bozja, both of which were hated by the community, because FFXIV is an ""MMORPG"" for players who hate the genre.

man I remember how gw2 tried to remove the trinity of roles
then raids happened and you got back to tanks, healers and dps

>Unique
No, they weren't delusional. They new knew that players only being able to see each other and group in the hub before loading into instanced zones to do a mission did not make the game an MMO. FFXIV has a useless open-world, useless mobs, no character building, gearing is a linear path with almost zero player agency outside of autistic optimisation of shit like equipping a lower ilvl gear because it has a crit stat, no group quests, rewards you for not playing the game, a useless economy, hallway dungeon designs, padded room raids, filled to the brim with invisible walls and garbage dailies. Saw an anon mention Hunt Trains earlier, those are also a joke, since it consists of a large group of players bursting down a braindead mob before hopping on their flying mounts to go burst down another brain dead mob.

Even if it doesn't do what WoW does to be considered a MMORPG by your standards, it still fits the commercial criteria to be called MMORPG so no matter what you believe (right or wrong) it is considered and officially claimed to be MMORPG.

I don't play modern WoW, so I couldn't tell you shit about it or how it functions today, dropped it after clearing ICC.

that is exactly what ffxi was too
and ffxi is considered to be a much, much, much, much superior game to ffxiv

You have never played FFXI

yes believe it or not ffxi notorious monsters had as many mechanics as hunt mobs in xiv
they are exact copies of each other

>harder
yeah, by making them unsoloable by bloating their hp and damage

>Anyway, none of you have yet to post anything that reinforces the idea of FFXIV being an MMORPG besides the dev's/marketers delusion.

They sell it as MMORPG, it's advertised as MMORPG, people buy it knowing/assuming it's a MMORPG. It won MMORPG related awards. If you search it up on the internet, the genre it is categorized as is MMORPG.

It identifies as a MMORPG, not lootershooter, not BR, not fighting game, not RTS, not action game, not VR-chat, not sports game, not survival game, not horror game, not 3rd person shooter game, not ubisoft game not Snoy-exclusive game.

It's mostly your delusion that reinforces the idea that it's not. In a nutshell is the delusion of SquareEnix and Co vs (You)r delusion.

same anon, that argument doesn't have anything to do whether or not the stuff you consider MMORPG-worthy are right or wrong.

It can identify as whatever it wants too, I'm just saying that nothing in the game itself backs up the label. And none of you have been able to posts anything about the game that reinforces the "MMORPG" label either.
Even if you try to be as objective as possible and compare it to it's contemporaries, FFXIV still falls short and the game it resembles the most doesn't describe itself as an MMORPG.

Your argument is absolutely moronic. Assuming that movie at least followed the basics of what horror movies have, it being a shit horror movie still makes it a horror movie. FFXIV doesn't not have what a majority of what makes MMORPGs, MMORPGs. In fact, I made an error, FFXIV isn't an "OG", it's a "MOG", because it has multiplayer. There is nothing massive about a game that can only load in 50 players and has everything separated into zones and instances. The game also lacks a majority of RPG elements, but morons like you think that being able to see a number makes something an RPG. Again, none of you idiots have been able post anything about FFXIV that backs up the MMORPG label. Instead you just throw out ad hominem and make moronic analogies.

>dunno chief, can load in at least a couple hundred within render distance on my PC, and that's probably as much as you;d get in any MMO at one time
You objectively cannot, even at max settings.
>so what? doesn't make a game not a MMORPG, very few of them actually have a seamless world with no loadscreens between two distinct locations
No, but FFXIV is probably the most segmented MMO I have ever played, outside of 2D side-scrollers like Maple Story.
>You have classes and stats that noticeably affect your gameplay. That's the requirement for something being an RPG, you don't come to Final Fantasy V and say it's not an RPG, now do you?
Jobs bring almost nothing of unique value to gameplay outside of intrinsic motivation and parsehomosexualry. Stats are meaningless because you have no say in what stats you raise and you cannot even progress the story without meeting a minimum ilvl requirement for dungeons/trials, so intentionally gimping yourself will prevent you from progressing. To put it simply, the game has no character building, therefore it is not an RPG.
To conclude, there is nothing massive about the game, it renders less players than your average BR and there is no character building, thus it cannot be an RPG. Therefore, FFXIV is not an MMORPG. If we go by your useless standards, then Warzone is an MMORPG.

>Hereditary being a shit horror movie still makes it a horror movie
But according to your theory FFXIV being a shit MMORPG still makes it a MMORPG

No, because FFXIV does not even have the basics of what makes an MMORPG an MMORPG.

>It wasn't like that in HW, the "all jobs have become the same" started at SB. It even had certain actions you can apply on your hotbar depending what other jobs you had leveled up and that's was the most RPGlike that game had. ARR & HW were MMORPGs
Which is why I said that FFXIV has done nothing but remove MMORPG elements with each expansion.
>So MMORPGs which have areas with monsters higher level than your current level are bad? You think you can endgame raid in many other MMORPGs with min ilvl? Best case you can but you'll get carried by others making their time miserable.
No. The point is that stats do not matter and by extension, gear does not matter for the majority of the player base. And since stat do not matter, gear does not matter and there are no skills to upgrade/learn, there is no character building, which means the game is not an RPG.
>If you are someone who started at ShB then that's true...
See the first point.

Basically yeah. It started off decent enough with ARR, but after HW it's just been doing everything in it's power to make the game less and less like an MMORPG. And seeing as the game is continuously growing, the player base seems to have no problem with that, which is fine. Just don't get upset when people point out that game isn't an MMORPG.

>You objectively cannot, even at max settings.
have you checked the actual, you know
character render settings? during hunts or in cities, I can see more than a hundred players at once, and I have it on medium, so clearly you're wrong there
>Jobs bring almost nothing of unique value to gameplay outside of intrinsic motivation and parsehomosexualry. Stats are meaningless because you have no say in what stats you raise and you cannot even progress the story without meeting a minimum ilvl requirement for dungeons/trials, so intentionally gimping yourself will prevent you from progressing. To put it simply, the game has no character building, therefore it is not an RPG.
and yet
is Final Fantasy I not an RPG? you have only six classes, you don't choose how you build them, at most you can choose your equipment but there's almost always a statistically superior option that blows the rest out of the water
is Final Fantasy IV not an RPG? you don't even get to choose classes anymore, only equipment which is locked on a character-by-character basis, and yet again there are clearly superior options, so you basically upgrade all of your gear every time you come across a new town selling what is, in function, higher item level equipment
and jobs do have unique playstyles (well, not as much as they used to, but you're still not doing the same things if you compare, say, a healer and a ranged DPS)

>have you checked the actual, you know
>character render settings? during hunts or in cities, I can see more than a hundred players at once, and I have it on medium, so clearly you're wrong there
My game is maxed out, it can't even render everyone at the Limsa aetheryte and each instance has max of 250 players. it is quite literally impossible to render higher than 50 or so characters in FFXIV, even at the highest setting.
>is Final Fantasy I not an RPG?
>is Final Fantasy IV not an RPG
No, those are JRPGs and funnily enough, FFXIV has less character building than them.

>Meta moronation
This fricking meme needs to die. Meta will exist NO MATTER WHAT. Even in the hyper homogenized version we have today some classes don't play. Why strip all the fun away from the jobs for the sake of balance and not achieve it anyway?
Why care about balance at all when it sincerely doesn't matter what job you have? This isn't FF13 where you have to switch paradigm and use a different moveset depending on the fights or SOP where you can hit different weak points depending on the move and weapon type.
And if there's really something out of line you can just patch the frickin game. Like its a live service that people pay monthly for. Holy frick small indie devs can't update their cash cow.

That's what we had in Stormblood which isn't ideal but it was still much better than the trash garbage we have today

>Holy frick small indie devs can't update their cash cow.
No time, soon FF16 release date. Maybe after that!

I firmly believe XVI had nothing to do with it and they decided on this hyper homogeny out of sheer incompetence and laziness. Or because the game is REALLY in maintenance mode.

The biggest disappointment to me is that XIV had so much room for growth but they quite literally put themselves in a corner.
They can't do high end PVE because that means updating the client to disallow plugins, which we know they won't do.
They can't do PVP because the server is a shit show and the modes are easily exploitable plus plugins
They can't do more housing because that means more servers that it would take them years to add to the game.
All they can do is more msq, and more treadmills that do nothing for anyone. More of the same stale shit. They can't grow.
I want to see midcore content with high replayability.

People really care about those shiny weapons so they cheat to get them. There was a massive shitstorm because world first clearers were using a ton of plugins to make the fight trivial where even yoshida felt like needed to say something.
So if they actually went and added anti cheat of some kind to stop plugins for working they could focus on growing the competitive aspects of the game.

This, homosexuals who keep trying to turn mmo's into competitive games are homosexuals who simply aren't good enough for pure competitive games.

Bro this wasn't my choice, it's the shit Square Enix chose to put in the game, we're talking about the game homie, whatever you and I want doesn't matter.
I'm speculating that given their choices their room for growth is non existent.
I quit playing mmos two years ago because they are trash and don't satisfy me.

What does that matter to you b***h moron? I'll talk about videogames if I feel like it pussy. Engage with the points.

nah they can grow
they need to reevaluate how to approach certain design
less dance fights (not saying "put them in the minority", but make some unusual strats like actually needing AoE more than maybe once per raid tier, or kiting, or forced healing of non-party entities, etc, WoW does that shit all the time)
PvP is probably the best it can be with their fricked netcode, not much to salvage here before they change THAT
criterion should really be a mainstay of every tier and evolve more, with more varied paths and packs and rewards that actually make it worth running, like extreme-tier gear or tome level gear at least
more job diversity so that DRK is once again the drain/parry tank instead of "I guess I TBN", WAR is back to being "high HP, easy to heal" tank, etc, etc

basically even with current design there's a lot they could change for the better

what is there even to whale on ffxiv
there's a finite amount of stuff you can buy on the cash shop
you cannot dump infinite money for infinite power

>That's what we had in Stormblood which isn't ideal but it was still much better than the trash garbage we have today
hey I'm all for Stormblood-era design
less autistic than HW, which got excessive at times, while still distinct for every class, also utility abilities were still in the game and could be used for encounter building if they were to make a return

maybe, just maybe, after 16 releases, things will change somewhat

>you can get a lot more than 50 at the same time
My game is maxed out. I can walk to the other side of the Limsa aetheryte and people on the side will not render. About 50+ is the highest amount of players you can see on screen.
>also objectively false, while XIV doesn't have a lot of character building, you can still affect a lot more in XIV than in either of those games, unless you consider your whole party to be a cohesive "character" for single player games, but not for XIV
FFXIV doesn't even have bog basic shit elemental resistance. There is almost zero character building outside of hyper-parse autism.
>the issue with MMOs is that they all succumb to meta moronation
I'd rather this be a result of the players, not the fricking devs. They have completely thrown in the towel on level design in overworld because of flying and dungeon design because it's mandatory for story progression and the most common form of levelling is to spam it. Positionals are gone, tanks just push a button to have perma aggro, boss hitboxes are almost as big as the arenas now, bosses auto-position themselves to the middle of the arena for certain attacks now and it's all so tiresome. The devs have quite literally optimised all the player agency and variety out of the game.

>This isn't a community effort
B-BUT MR.BRAPPY'S GUIDE VIDEOS AND STRATS....

>mfw brappy shot himself in the foot after he admitted to being yoshida's personal cum rag after the blufever incident
It was a good day

>stopped being given preferential invites to any kind of events after that
>the last person to get any kind of preferential treatment was asmongoloid and the other guy I forget in the lead-up to endwalker
>team hasn't given a shit about or said anything about any streamers since

They gave Max centre stage at their ffxvi pre-launch stream but ffxiv streamers? I think YoshiP is really burnt on them with how schizo or drama homosexualry 99% of them are including the former WoW refugees.

>FFXIV doesn't even have bog basic shit elemental resistance.
you get exactly one guess as to why they completely canned elemental resistances after ARR and you must leave the thread if you get it wrong

do not respond to this post if you will not abide by this post's rules

right but in a gaygish way about it, arbitrary spell resistances aren't compatible with a rotation-based MMO like FFXIV

the people that complain about not having build autism in FFXIV seem like they want to play diablo instead

yeh that's the exact reason resistances aren't a thing here
i am stroking your head and kissing your cheek for getting it instead of going on a tirade about how the game would be improved by bad things like some Ganker posters

you seem to be under the impression there was some grander design for the game that they intentionally slashed the throat of and that didn't happen

ye

nah pretty sure they did put thought into it
other major MMOs at the moment also don't have that stuff, the general idea is that you should be able to play the class/spec/job/aesthetic that you want instead of "play what works"

SE just went to very extreme lengths in enforcing this, so much that they have some space to safely back off while still retaining relative parity between jobs

honestly a lot of XIV's problems even today can be traced to being a 1.0 refurbush, which was, in turn, an attempt to make XI-2 without understanding that the times have moved on

if they had netcode not written like it's still 2001 and you need to save every fricking bit of traffic, we could have actually snappy combat and PvP

I am 95% sure that ARR having the 2.5 GCD is due to netcode and server tick being 3 seconds at launch

eh, the thing about that theoretical decade is that
1) a quarter of it has passed already
2) it will only include like, three more expansions at this rate, with maybe 10.0 being the final one
3) it's very likely Yoshida will be given reins to a new MMO if Square decides that it would be nice to have a new, flashy cash cow, and I figure the man is smart enough to actually analyze both 2010s' MMOs of note (GW2, ESO, BDO) and the upcoming stuff (Ashes and such) to figure out that WoW isn't exactly en vogue anymore

>Blizzard can somehow make a 1.5 GCD work on a modified Warcraft 3 engine that has been worked on continuously for nearly 20 years

SE are hacks when it comes to technical shit. Despite all the shit WoW has thrown at it at every second it has some of the most seamless MMO combat since forever

they had a 1 second GCD at some point, IIRC

2.5 GCD is only the absolute standard. You can increase that down to 1.85 with materia and at level 90 you really shouldn't as you have so many OGCD to compensate. This isn't WoW, stop pretending it is.

brother I said "in ARR", which is when the standard was set, and when there was way less oGCDs, and also a lot more lag, which probably contributed to the GCD actually being 2.5 seconds
mkay?

considering we're still seeing the aftereffects of 1.0, I find it amusing that you don't consider decisions made during ARR's development to be in any way relevant today

not ignoring it, but the facts remain, the combat is rather unresponsive compared to some other MMOs (and even WoW)
this hits PvP the hardest, Guard starts working like a second after you actually hit the button instead of being, y'know, instant
PvE is mostly fine aside from some questionable snapshots here and there (but since other snaps are fine, that's probably on particular abilities)

honestly I feel like design-wise, the new 5v5 PvP is pretty much one of the best I've ever seen
needs some basic fixes (oneshots are a bad idea, period), but otherwise it's some of the fairest PvP experiences I've ever had
the thing holding it back is unironically response time being weird and that the large-scale PvP is very jank with kits balanced for 5v5 (FL/RW)

and yet a noticeable portion of players fail to do their basic shit
otherwise I'd be having less 100% hopeless matches and less 100% stomps

I like the fact that everyone b***hes about all pvp job designs. Some more than others but that's fine. They're diverse with their own strengths and weaknesses.

yeah the class fantasies are pretty evident there, which is nice
huffing copium for them to bring some of that identity back to PvE in 7.0

>"endwalker gets retconned"
lol

More like "I wanna see what the original two expansions were before they got frankenstein'd together" kind of retcon.

New World's PvP problems are entirely of it's own makings

2.5 GCD is only the absolute standard. You can increase that down to 1.85 with materia and at level 90 you really shouldn't as you have so many OGCD to compensate. This isn't WoW, stop pretending it is.

we are very blatantly talking about normal PvE anon

The problem here is that XIV started with these RPG features that allowed you to have more control and build more of an identity despite the hyper linear single player story and scripted content.
Despite the game being a mediocre WoW clone there was a lot of potential in the systems that it had. It had nuance. What Square Enix has done away with almost everything now that previously added to the RPG experience.
Old dungeons with neat stuff and maze layouts were turned into corridors, even players are being replaced by Npcs. For an MMO you spend hundreds of hours even if you speedrun and skip cutscenes playing a completely single player story. Hell for all Destiny has done you can still play the entirety of the game with two other people at least.

>no character building, gearing is a linear path with almost zero player agency outside of autistic optimisation of shit like equipping a lower ilvl gear because it has a crit stat
You were talking about how you wanted numbers there too but that fitted your narrative and that was RPG, right?

oh ho
well played anon

so just like WoW became known as the best MMORPG even though according to OSRS players it wasn't MMORPG, FFXIV is a MMORPG even though you say it's not, right?

Even if it doesn't do what WoW does to be considered a MMORPG by your standards, it still fits the commercial criteria to be called MMORPG so no matter what you believe (right or wrong) it is considered and officially claimed to be MMORPG.

>Yes, it's all marketing. The game is more similar to MMORPG than a MMORPG

The absolute state of moronation...

Imagine being this shitskin abo seething about every game that “threatens” ffxv

>because resources went into fixing XIV
WHAT RESOURCES?!

>on Steam
holy shit it's like I'm back in 2019 with the same arguments being posted every time
95% of the people who play FFXIV haven't bought it on Steam
Square just sells digital keys themselves

So it's twice the Stream numbers but still not enough to be called Massive Multiplayer, is that it?

Circa 1.4 million active players last time a census was taken, earlier this year. I think that qualifies well enough, unless you want peak WoW numbers.

Active subs do not equal active players anon. Subs are considered active if at any moment between patches they logged back in. Yes free days inflate this number as well.

We can't really talk about data we don't have anon. If anything the unofficial census helps your shitty dead stale MMO more than an official updated census would.

You know, I constantly hear that no one buys the game on steam but no one ever tells where that information comes from.
I truly do not care where people buy the game but out of curiosity I checked steam's global top sellers and currently FFXIV is placed 31st there and it has been on top 100 28 concurrent weeks so people most certainly are buying it on steam.

https://ffxivcensus.com/

>Company sells game as MMORPG game
>Anon says it's not
BASED TAKE!

why wouldn't you just "play" second life if you just want to be a weird self insert?

Word up.

*as Hydaelyn

Thanks anon I'll add it to the list