Why do you morons think Viper is meant to be zidane? it's obviously gabranth. All of zidanes techniques are magic slop. Only gabranth is a martial master.
I keep wishing they'd take a break from making new jobs to do something with the existing ones to really make them stand out and unique.
thats the thing anon, they had their own identity but got normalized with the 2 min meta rotation under the excuse to minimize the gap between casuals and pros, healers used to have aoe dots/dots, and aoe instead of spamming broil/glare/malefic, AST could give extended 2 min buffs like balance, or sks/sps up, they could stunlock mobs by extending the stun
>Why do you morons think Viper is meant to be zidane?
Because twin swords and acrobatics, plus he goes into Trance. >Only gabranth is a martial master.
Gabranth uses magic too albeit.
It also has the FFXI Elvaan dual wield stance.
>quickenings are not, nor will they ever be. Magic.
They literally use Mist as fuel you tard. And that's not a Quickening in the gif, that's just one of his normal skills.
>Albeit
I have seen anons use this word alot and i am sure they don't know what it means
>They literally use Mist as fuel you tard.
So? are airships magick now dipshit? what a completely moronic fricking statement. Maybe you should stop spamming your gibberishslop because you hate conversation and actually play an ff game.
>So? are airships magick now dipshit?
Airships don't use Mist as fuel, they float with skystones. They can't float over Jagd specifically because Jagd are so heavy with Mist. >Maybe you should stop spamming your gibberishslop because you hate conversation and actually play an ff game.
I'm not the gibberish poster and perchance you might take your own advice albeit.
Viper looks like shit, and it's almost certainly going to play just like every non-MNK melee. I hope they do a better job with the new caster, but I don't expect much.
Expectations for the DRG rework?
Thoughts on current DRG?
Other jobs you would like to get a rework?
For me, I don't really think the Paladin needs a rework, but there are definitely a few buttons that bloat the hotbar that needs to be changed. I think all the tanks are pretty fun to play though.
I also feel like Ninja has some button bloat
we're talking about ninja here
god why are emet fans such speedreaders? oh wait...
7 months ago
Anonymous
you're not special enough for anyone to bother reading your posts
>PLD SHIELD BASH
7 months ago
Anonymous
Can I just remove Shield Bash from my hotbar? I'm on controller so layout and the amount of space is important for playing well and comfortably and I have literally never used Shield Bash in any content
7 months ago
Anonymous
You'll never use it outside of like extreme niche solo deep dungeon situations
7 months ago
Anonymous
yes, its useless unless you're spamming stun on dungeon mobs or doing something like potd
its useless anywhere else, bosses don't get stunned and even normal mobs get stun resistance and immunity for 1 min if you hit em like 3 times in a roll
>hit mudras every 20 seconds and then buzzsaw things every minute
it's being reductive, I know, but honestly after hitting lv90 I really don't want to play ninja anymore
Nah, EW killed the flow it had in SHB which was already controversial due to mudra becoming GCD and shadowfang becoming an oGCD. Can't even prepull doton anymore for the smidgen of extra damage.
mudra becoming GCD was the best change to ever happen to ninja. TCJ is still the worst thing to have ever been added to ninja aside from shit like raijus at the beginning of EW
anon, troonyflight is going into maintenance mode, and the next xpac is meant to be warlords of draenor in terms of content
these frickers aren't going anywhere, maybe if we do an ellaborate shitpost to shill gw2
it should keep em away for maybe 2 weeks
Rating the jobs I've played so far at 70 in terms of fun >Most fun
Warrior
Monk >Fun
Dragoon
Gunbreaker >Average
Dark Knight >Needs spice
Paladin
Samurai
My Ninja is only 60 something, but so far it's fun. Red Mage is also 60 something and it's alright
Every oGCD ability with a cooldown that simply deals damage and nothing else should be removed from the game. They serve no purpose and take button slots from potentially more interesting abilities.
>potentially more interesting abilities
Yeah, nah. You're getting more attack oGCDs because CBU3 is creatively bankrupt on doing anything interesting besides Scholar Expedient.
buttons that do nothing but a cool animation and damage should be in the game, there should just be more interesting stuff to compliment it, you homosexuals are just like square enix just in the opposite direction, there needs to be a balance.
It's funny that one doomposter going on about Viper never posted again when I pointed out that the "Enshroud" doesn't merge the swords. They stay split, oh and the char does the Gabranth title pose too.
it's not a shit attack because i hit the double down and if it crits i type in the chat poggers
aside from that at 2.50 gcd you can fit your continuation combo, double down, 3 burst strikes in no mercy so i don't know why people says it kills the flow of the job
if that's the case i'll play it
i'm kinda more interested in green mage or whatever the new caster will be
so much so i've started slowly learning blm but i'm a tank main
I still believe the new caster will be the dot job.
Though I'm curious on which direction they will go with VPR.
SAM rivall as a selfish DPS?
Will they give a trick attack so it just become a side grade to NIN?
Or they will just go with the RPR way and give it a shitty party buff with strong attack?
If beastmaster is really just blue mage 2 I don't know how I'll feel about it, they gotta make it extremely unique to make me feel like doing all those old raids again for the 90th time. Make it interact with some other content somehow
>Beast Master/Puppet Master and Blue Mage will be able to team up for content
Limited job could become something crazy if they keep going down this path.
To what end? As someone who's already done everything there is to do on Blue Mage having just finished Eden, what incentive is there do go back in as a blue mage teamed up with the new job?
I'm not saying you're wrong that they could make it interesting, I just think they need to come up with something else for these jobs to be able to do together. If they don't give the new one its own achievements separate from BLU, then there needs to be some other reason to play it. Use this as an opportunity to let them do deep dungeons or criterion or adventuring forays
It would really depend on how the incentivize the limited jobs for people.
If they create a set of limited jobs that can do older content in a unique way someone would do it.
I think ultimate's could be interesting for Limited classes to do.
it's 2.5 because of the animation lock response, pretty sure it's easier for the server that way, also because it lines up well with a lot of things
unrelated but what's the thing about fps and monk?
Basically the engine is shit. If you're at 60 fps you want 1.93 gcd. For anything else you want 1.94.
People say that controller is the reason why the GCD is 2.5, but I think this is just gigacope.
It's easy to do Mudra on controller
You can lower the GCD and it's still perfectly playable
And the fact that there are literally mountains of games with way higher APM and button presses and commands all the time compared to XIV on controller.
it's 2.5 because of the animation lock response, pretty sure it's easier for the server that way, also because it lines up well with a lot of things
unrelated but what's the thing about fps and monk?
That's not how it works. You can't execute an action until the next frame is drawn after the cooldown ends. Since monk is so fast, losing 1/60 of a second on your GCD is a bigger impact than losing the same amount at 2.5, plus it just happens that 1.94 is the ideal monk SS, and that happens to be one of the specific GCD speeds that results in the longest possible frame clip at 60 FPS to the point where you're basically playing at 1.93 or 1.95 if your game runs at 60 FPS. At higher framerates it doesn't matter much. Alexander also has an option to delay drawing the last frame before your GCD comes up to bypass the issue.
FPS affects every job's GCD time because of some input to server response frickery, it's just that MNK is more susceptible to it because its base GCD is faster.
Played until the end of stormblood once
If I were to start playing again from scratch, what class is the most braindead moron easy to play, to clear content?
if you plan on going for endgame content, melee dps or summoner
melee dps get little responsibilities even in ultimates but you should never frick your rotation up, in this way they're easy if you have good muscle memory
summoner is very easy to play but may be told to do more mechanics but that's fine because they don't need to focus on their rotation, they're easier in endgame if your memory for mechanics is good
if not going for endgame content just play warrior but learn what your cooldowns do please read the tooltip, i've had warriors not use vengeance in savage
>Sylphie
Isn't she taken? >Raya-o
She's a little old looking but never aging is a plus.
I would have named all the au ri e-girls in the steppe and the autism bubble, but there's a lot of names and I don't remember them all.
Also the e-girl cat from the Moonfire Faire
>Isn't she taken?
I don't think so but even if she were you think that can stop the WoL? b***h needs correction after all she pulled in the conjurer quests.
WoL canonically uses Khloe like a fleshlight to unwind but they just keep it a secret to not upset the twitter mob
Canonically my WoL is married to T'kebbe, Khloe, and Riqi-Tio, Ryne, and Gaia.
this but Sylphie ans Raya-O too
>Sylphie
Isn't she taken? >Raya-o
She's a little old looking but never aging is a plus.
I would have named all the au ri e-girls in the steppe and the autism bubble, but there's a lot of names and I don't remember them all.
Also the e-girl cat from the Moonfire Faire
>Isn't she taken?
I don't think so but even if she were you think that can stop the WoL? b***h needs correction after all she pulled in the conjurer quests.
Genuinely why does Ganker type like this? Embarrassing....
Nothing SFW about this board now anon we slipped down that slope.
7 months ago
Anonymous
SFW is in quotation for a reason, obviously Ganker in general is not safe for work
7 months ago
Anonymous
NSFW used to be the exception. Someone would post some porn on a blue board and it would get sweeped up. Now its the rule and there is no difference between a blue board or a pink board and its fricking shitty. Threads filled with the same pedos and trannies that used to be contained on /b/ or even /LULZ/ fill threads like this one.
No, we got the scorpion harness which was a random one off item, Kirins Osode which is part of a full set they didn't port, and the Vermillion Cloak which is another one off item.
What would a new tank even contribute at this point
At the rate at which the tanks have been homogenised and powercrept, how would a new tank design even fit into this increasingly rigid mold that streamers and their followers have set to make sure no tank does anything better than Warrior? How can we have fun and rewarding new tanks when all of them need to be strictly worse adaptations of the most basic, streamer's favourite tank?
The only tank that does anything different from Warrior is Paladin And all it does is protect an individual better than War can thanks to cover, but it rarely comes into play. Dark knight and Gnb used to be the dps tanks because they brought less defensive utility to the party. With that advantage removed, are they just going to turn into Warrior clones now? Because as a tank main i'm a little frustrated with the way the tanks are currently designed.
Warrior has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
Warrior has the best invuln in the game.
Warrior has the best sustain in the game.
Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
What did Gunbreaker and Dark knight bring? Damage. To make up for their weaker defensives and utility. But apparently we can't even have that. So what's the point of these tanks? Are they going to turn them even more into Warrior clones in the next expansion just to be safe? What would be the point of a new tank? What will be the point of any complexity? Where would a new tank fit in, in a role where 1 job, and the simplest one at that, does everything and is the best at everything? I'm going over every piece of content right now, and i find it hard to justify playing anything over Warrior. Normal content, extremes, savage or even ultimates. Warrior is the best solution to every problem. Why can't different tanks be good at different things? Was Warrior doing 3% less damage really that big of an issue when it already has so much going? I Just don't really see the point
>best partywide mitigation
only if the attack is physical which most of the fights it isn't >best invuln in the game
true >best sustain in the game
at the cost of not having the best mits but it's not like it matters, most things you invuln or kitchen sink or half kitchen sink and you'll be fine, specially with an ot that knows when to throw you their 25 secs >ranks #1 or #2
this is what i don't like about the buffs, i think warrior should never be allowed to be #1 or #2 only because of its simplicity
i do think they need to add something to tanks to make it more distinct aside from their way of pressing buttons, i still think having a button to evade would be cool so if anything the 5th tank could be an evasion tank
the thing is that se has been also trying to close the gap within which tank is best for mt and which is for ot but it's clear that war is the best with its self-sustain
>>best invuln in the game
Not in EW, every single instance where you'd want to use it the encounter was designed in a way to frick over holmgang. WAR also gets turbo fricked in ultimates, especially TOP, due to how much less mit it has compared to the other tanks.
It's a good set but yeah, they really haven't tried to bring over any AF concepts from XI. In some of the more modern AF sets they go off in some fun directions with them.
Well if it makes you feel better MNK SAM and NIN shared gear in XI and it had a very clear eastern look to it that suited SAM, also SAM had many many great sets.
What would a new tank even contribute at this point
At the rate at which the tanks have been homogenised and powercrept, how would a new tank design even fit into this increasingly rigid mold that streamers and their followers have set to make sure no tank does anything better than Warrior? How can we have fun and rewarding new tanks when all of them need to be strictly worse adaptations of the most basic, streamer's favourite tank?
The only tank that does anything different from Warrior is Paladin And all it does is protect an individual better than War can thanks to cover, but it rarely comes into play. Dark knight and Gnb used to be the dps tanks because they brought less defensive utility to the party. With that advantage removed, are they just going to turn into Warrior clones now? Because as a tank main i'm a little frustrated with the way the tanks are currently designed.
Warrior has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
Warrior has the best invuln in the game.
Warrior has the best sustain in the game.
Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
What did Gunbreaker and Dark knight bring? Damage. To make up for their weaker defensives and utility. But apparently we can't even have that. So what's the point of these tanks? Are they going to turn them even more into Warrior clones in the next expansion just to be safe? What would be the point of a new tank? What will be the point of any complexity? Where would a new tank fit in, in a role where 1 job, and the simplest one at that, does everything and is the best at everything? I'm going over every piece of content right now, and i find it hard to justify playing anything over Warrior. Normal content, extremes, savage or even ultimates. Warrior is the best solution to every problem. Why can't different tanks be good at different things? Was Warrior doing 3% less damage really that big of an issue when it already has so much going? I Just don't really see the point
I don’t want to make every tank thread i see about healers but at least healers actually have defined strengths and weaknesses and in general their damage is proportional to how easy they are to play and hard they are to optimise
I have no idea why we even have 4 tanks anymore; we may as well have 2- WAR and kick them for a WAR
I'm a bit worried they might actually pull a healer split with Off-Tank and Main-Tank sub roles. Like they did for shield and pure healer. Especially when the roles sort of already exist.
In that case, why have multiple classes at all?
After all, they all just do damage, and some can heal as well.
What is lost if if there is only one class that can do damage and heal?
(Actually there would be quite a bit lost, even if no loss in usefulness would happen)
>In that case, why have multiple classes at all?
well, they used to be different
now they aren't
It's really only the mages that feel different enough to me, and I say this as a WAR main.
the reason is to play different jobs and aesthetics.
while mechanically they all play the same they look different.
we will even get more of dps/healers/tanks in the upcoming years heck the expansion after DT will be the tank/support dps expansion so honestly if you want to give suggestions now is the time for what they can be and do.
i mean if you want to ride warrior that hard you are free to see it that way.
the way to see it is actually you choose the tank you find interesting and play it as they are all viable in all content if you dont want to play anything else cause you find warrior best in everything you are free to limit yourself.
And they don't even play the same. There's a split between WAR/DRK and GNB with PLD somewhere in between, and the DRKs very much think they're different (and get the short end of the stick) compared to WAR.
One could ask why ever add new DPS Jobs, but no one ever does, because DPS players are first class citizens and folks recognize that new Jobs are a nice thing to get for a role from time to time.
I'm a bit worried they might actually pull a healer split with Off-Tank and Main-Tank sub roles. Like they did for shield and pure healer. Especially when the roles sort of already exist.
Didn't they do this in ShB?
And it kind of went down in flames, causing them to revert it? (Which kinda begs the question why they tried it with healers in EW, which also seems to have failed since SGE can outheal WHM/AST if it needs to in a pinch and AST is half-barrier healer anyway, leaving WHM out in the cold since it has only Temperance for mit, which is less mitigation per time than BLACK MAGE via Addle...)
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OP: Not everyone likes WAR's aesthetic or rotation. That's why. You're a DRK so you think all tanks are WAR clones because DRK has kind of become one. PLD and GNB aren't, and GNB in particular plays very differently than WAR with all the oGCD weaving, rigid rotation, and no upkeep buff (PLD doesn't have an upkeep buff, either).
Try some of the other tanks.
I feel like this is less a "Why even add more tank Jobs" thread and more a disgruntled DRK complaining about how DRK is a worse WAR...
>Didn't they do this in ShB?
It was prior Shadowbringers, actually. But yes, they did. From ARR through to Stormblood, they were pretty set on the notion of an "main" tank and "off" tank. They scrapped the whole thing because it caused players to lock specific tanks into those roles and caused several balancing problems. Both Dark Knight and Paladin wanted to MT due to having procs which triggered off auto attacks yet Paladin was straight bad at it, especially since their stances were on the GCD. Cover back then just made them a much better OT. Meanwhile, Warrior with Unchained was so hilariously good at MTing, you'd be crazy not to make them do it.
They pretty much acknowledged the system didn't work going into ShB. So there's zero chance they'll even consider bringing it back around.
The problem is fight design. There are very good offtank mechanics, but a lot of fights never utilize these:
- Splitting enemies (force the tanks to pull them apart)
- Double tank busters (and yes, some can be taken by a well shielded dps, but convenience makes a tank prefered)
- Adds, idealy with an instant aggression towards the off tank (so the main tank cannot instantly provoke them).
Even for normal mode trials/raids tank swapping should become a mechanic:
Each 'special' attack (diffirently marked tank buster) adds a stack to a tank. Upon reaching x stacks, the affected tank will get ability blocked (while death can be punishing, losing control is equaly anoying. So silencing/hyseria/stuns all work). The stacks deplete over time (60s). This means that if a maintank disagrees and instantly takes it over, they will cause their own issues.
For these mechanics, you can also make shirking become stronger bassed on debuff stacks (making the maintank also capable of shirking the aggro away, but the offtank unable to instantly shirk it back). If a tank died, and the maintank gets disabled by this, aggro would still at least be effective for a while until the other tank provokes.
I think this would be at the same difficulty level as most healer checks, and with a very clear effect also turn into mussle memory quickly.
FFXIV need multiples jobs because :
-you need to exp them and gear them -> more playtime -> more subscription time -> more money for SE
-people see more different aesthetics -> more likely to be interested and subscribe -> more money for SE
FFXIV need multiples jobs to be the same because : less dev/balance time -> more money for SE (unless the time goes to one of their flop)
agreed
i've said it before
one combo for hp one combo for mp
or even a dot combo
or even a lose hp combo that deals more damage
or a flavor of continuation
but i think these things would bring balancing problems, however it's not my job to balance the game and i will always say that some jobs just need to be stronger than others and i'm all in favor of making my favorite jobs stronger
has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
PLD Veil is equivalent to Shake it Off unless you use cooldowns to make it stronger, and it has Passage of Arms in addition, which is the single most powerful party mitigation if you can use it effectively
Bold of you to assume DRK isn't already a WAR clone. It lacks the healing, but the gameplay loop is far more similar than anyone should be okay with.
The only thing we as a community really value is damage. Jobs with low damage are naturally going to be filtered out during the curation process of most groups. Leaving WAR's damage in the gutter would ultimately have left them in the same position as rez mage, if not worse. In fact, almost definitely worse - a tank's damage, not its sustain, is valued in progression. In other words, gimping damage as a tax for some form of utility, sustain in WAR's case, will only result in that job being excluded. WAR was the "dungeon tank" before its damage caught up, and it will again be relegated to that when its damage inevitably gets hamstrung again.
I would much rather see DRK's self-sustain (and only its self-sustain; its party utility should remain untouched) raised to equal or slightly exceed GNB's. A nudge to its sustain would go well toward equalizing things since it already has incredibly powerful mitigation tools.
It's fine for tanks to have similar defensive and sustain tools so long as their offensive kit isn't too similar. Problem is, everything is so homogenized at this point that one can scarcely argue the offensive kits are much different. We've got a bit of a self-perpetuating cycle, I think. People won't play/recruit jobs with low damage output --> SE improves those jobs --> people complain about X thing being unfair because X can do Y when Z can't --> SE hands out some nerfs (or sometimes not) --> people begin favoring the jobs they snubbed before --> repeat ad infinitum.
lol funny you mention that because i said the exact same thing a few weeks ago and there's this drk up-player that was in these threads constantly that told me drk has better self-sustain because they hit souleater more than gnb gets brutal shell
he just completely ignored heart of corundum
WAR's sustain should probably be nerfed come DT imo.
Remove the Overtime effect from Shake
Set BW to only heal per GCD
Have Nascent only heal your target
probably give it more standard mitigation in exchange for this. I just think if we keep down this mass sustain creep on tanks we're going to see more and more content get cleared healerless/with one healer whenever its able.
I can agree with most of this, but I do think making Bloodwhetting heal once per GCD is excessive. Having it heal per hit mostly affects dungeons, which are already inconsequential content.
I took a break from the game when the TOP no-healer run happened so I didn't even know such a thing existed. That's pretty fricking wild, healers really are fricking worthless in this game
IMO WAR's healing isnt as problematic as people think it is but I still think it should be toned back in exchange for giving it real mitigation. Same for PLD honestly.
Sustain creep on tanks could very easily spiral out of control if they decide to start buffing GNB or DRK to match this.And unfortunately, thats basically how they handle tanks. One expac one tank will get thing, next expac they'll all get that. I would not be surpirsed at all if 7.0 gives DRK and GNB their own bloodwhettings or aoe heals.
Alternatively we could just push it further and delete the healer role entirely which I'd be fine with.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They need to remove some of the healer oGCD's. It's pretty fricking stupid that you're spending 99%+ of your GCD's doing damage.
I had way more fun healing in synced Coils last year than any EW content because I had way less oGCD tools and I had to use shit like Cure II and sometimes even Cure I to manage mp
while i do think that it'd be healthy to not have war always be the best choice for a tank in a group i don't think that nerfing it is the solution
instead it'd be best to bring other jobs up in a sensitive way
Being a schizo is a prerequisite to being a DRK
DRK mains are mentally unwell, do not respond to their walls of text.
come on now, we discuss the game you guys get mad, a lala discussed the game you guys get mad, someone talks about e-celebs and wow and you guys just jump into the conversation
nobody cares about your parasocial relationships
You know that neither of the solo-healer EW Ultimate groups had a WAR tank, right?
>WAR's sustain should probably be nerfed come DT imo.
It's sustain is very weak, weaker than PLD if they choose to try. >Remove the Overtime effect from Shake
Why, it's already the weakest aoe cd >Set BW to only heal per GCD
That's already how it works, also both PLD and GNB were given better versions of BW. >Have Nascent only heal your target
Then give WAR the two mitigation buttons it's missing.
You morons massively overstate what WAR has because you only run dungeons, that or you play DRK and are having a meltdown that it's not the far and away best tank in the game for a single patch stretch.
But the original thread was against the 1% of hardcore players, what...?
This thread wants to dehomogenize where homogenization has happened because the 1% complained until they went that direction, the direction to make jobs basically play the same (to make them easier to balance). So making another of the same would just result in a different flavor of the same thing. (Although having played all jobs now, healers are the ones where this has affected the most. But it is indeed prevalent throughout all jobs on various levels and degrees.)
Although I agree aesthetics to a job are important but they shouldn't be the only defining factor for a job.
First and foremost, OP, you really need to let go of this vendetta you have towards Warrior. It's not nearly the supposed god you keep insisting it is. Especially when you consider it was thoroughly outclassed for almost two full expansions.
>Warrior has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
Shake it Off is not the best partywide mitigation. In fact, the whole reason they added the regen effect is due to mechanics like Styx rendering it completely inferior to straight mitigation. On the whole it's situational which is better but Paladin wins in this category by virtue of having two options. Don't get me wrong, Shake is very strong but it's not necessarily better than Missionary or Light.
>Warrior has the best invuln in the game.
Holmgang is incredible. There really is no denying that. I'd argue new Living Dead is very nearly on par with it though because the Dark Knight doesn't have to invest additional resources to heal themselves. They just... do damage. The difference of 60 seconds is borderline irrelevant since nearly all planned usages will align with both, though there are some exceptions (Dragonsong comes to mind). Nonetheless, the devs have notoriously overvalued Hallowed Ground. They seem to think being invulnerable is somehow better than being unkillable. Such situations where that is true are so niche they aren't worth mentioning.
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No argument here. Warrior's sustain is absurd. Although, said sustain gets grossly overrated by far too many people who see it essentially becoming its own healer in dungeons and think it can perform those feats in Savage. Contrary to popular belief, Bloodwhetting is straight up worse than Corundum in a single target scenario, and while Dark Knight can't match either one for one, being able to consistently stack TBN + Oblation + Dark Mind absolutely schools both for raw mitigation potential. Speaking of which, Dark Knight has better overall mitigation than Warrior for this very reason while Gunbreaker kind of floats between both. Paladin still gets the raw end of the stick here if only because its sustain option is a damage loss.
>Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
The irony is Dark Knight is still the meta pick because it bursts so incredibly well. Go look up any parse or speed group and you'll find they overwhelmingly still favor Dark Knight—to the point of occasionally bringing two. This has been the fundamental problem with balancing tanks the last two expansions. Dark Knight plays so ridiculously well under raid buffs that when it also boasted the highest damage profile alongside the best mitigation suite, well... there wasn't a reason to play anything else. For all your insistence of Warrior being the god king super tank, Dark Knight towered over so aggressively in both Dragonsong and Omega as to double up it up in clear rates when both were current. In fact, Dark Knight's raw burst potential was so oppressive it saw more clears of TOP than every other tank combined throughout 6.3.
It wasn't just good, it was downright incredible. At one point in time, if you aren't running Ninja, you'd Dance Partner a Dark Knight in the opener than switch to Samurai.
This is the first and only tier Warrior has even entered the conversation since Shaowerbringers. So while I agree general tank gameplay is relatively stale. Let's dial back the notion "everything is a Warrior clone cause Warrior's best!!"
drk is good at downtime phases and in an optimized comp, you want sch drg, ast to buff its damage during the 2 mins
for unoptimized everything else is better
Look around. Non stop e-girl, lolcows trying to get e-famous, shitposting at unreal levels and total jannie inaction. This is /b/ now.
this thread has had the best xiv gameplay discussion in months
>DRK has the best burst, therefore the best damage profile for Ultimates >Almost all the tankbusters in EW Ultimates are magic, so DRK also has the best mitigation tools with Dark Mind
It's pretty crazy how much better DRK has been in EW Ultimates compared to the other tanks
>They added all sorts of bullshit to tankbusters in EW to frick over holmgang to the point where you either don't want to use it for them or you have to use extra mit with your invuln and that's just silly
I don't think you can balance dark mind as a skill.
Its either broken or worthless.
>They added all sorts of bullshit to tankbusters in EW to frick over holmgang to the point where you either don't want to use it for them or you have to use extra mit with your invuln and that's just silly
WAR really fricked paid for its Asphodelos crimes with holmgang.
Why they haven't just increased its cd is beyond me, seems easier than investing weird tank busters that cant be invuln cheesed.
you're out of your mind
having new jobs is what shakes things up
not the exact expansion they come out but the next one after that, for better or for worse
i wish we'd get 3 jobs instead but it's obvious they try new things with every new job
in any case when you say >just focus on the combat for the current jobs we have
what do you even think that could be done about that? it's very clear that jobs are designed around raids/trials
yes they could try a lot of things with multiple jobs and maybe add dots back since they increased the limit of buffs/debuffs but honestly i've come to realize that there's never a good answer for it that isn't biased
would it be fun to have test servers where devs go crazy about changes and ask for feedback? yeah definitely but i don't think this is the kind of game or these are the kind of devs for that
Fun part is, the dps they added is in the same boat. It looks just like reaper but with two daggers. Aesthetically different, mechanically similar. 123, fill gauge, do cool looking burst only this time it's blue.
And it's even worse for healers, because our damage dealing kit is so stripped down at this point that every healer is just "1 dps button 1 dot and then a bunch of healing spells that are way overtuned for 95% of the game that isn't hard raids."
In order to address -any- of this, the devs would have to take an actual risk in changing things up. Since risks are dangerous and people eat up "nEw" classes that are just reskins of existing content anyway, we will probably never see any deviation in this regard. "Please look forward to it!"
>It looks just like reaper but with two daggers
not sure if cope or delusional, we only saw like 3 gcds total in that trailer, same as when reaper got revealed we couldn't draw any conclusions about it, sure it'll have those things you said but that's like the broadest assumption ever
Fun part is, the dps they added is in the same boat. It looks just like reaper but with two daggers. Aesthetically different, mechanically similar. 123, fill gauge, do cool looking burst only this time it's blue.
And it's even worse for healers, because our damage dealing kit is so stripped down at this point that every healer is just "1 dps button 1 dot and then a bunch of healing spells that are way overtuned for 95% of the game that isn't hard raids."
In order to address -any- of this, the devs would have to take an actual risk in changing things up. Since risks are dangerous and people eat up "nEw" classes that are just reskins of existing content anyway, we will probably never see any deviation in this regard. "Please look forward to it!"
They could have simply done away with job stones and tied your abilities to the weapon. this is what happens with the dev lacks foresight also a skill they took away. BUt this is the result of lowering the skill ceiling on essentially all jobs and we get what we have homogenization.
I think FFXIV dev team should learn more from WoW on how to design tanks and make them feel and play uniquely than each other. So far WoW has:
- A tank that relies on and increases both the "Armor" and "Block" values. Basically the tankist of tanks
- A tank with healing and supportive spells that is our FFXIV Paladin equivalent. Perfect for all situations
- A tank that turns the damage received into DoTs that are delayed or negated. Great for massive pulls.
- A self-healing tank that is our FFXIV Warrior equivalent
If we simply analyze WoW's tanks' design, then we can find that they share a common but obvious theme. "Survival" but in a different way for different situations.
We could follow a similar mindset when designing and reworking how tanks function here in XIV. For example;
Paladin: A tank with support spells such as group mitigation, group shield, with some healing spells that could turn him into a demi-healer when the situation demands it. Perfect when the healers aren't very reliable or not there but isn't good enough to replace them. Damage is slightly below moderate and armor is slightly above moderate (We can't forget it's the only tank with a protective shield, so armor value being moderate or less is ridiculous)
Warrior: The self-healing tank we all know and love, but with less than moderate damage and armor.
Dark knight: The tank dps. High dps but moderate armor (Dark knights wear full metal clad armors, so they should have more armor value than warriors RPG-wise). Great pick for people who want to feel the weight of the greatsword but on the account of being the least tank to be able to survive due to the focus on dps. Basically hardcore tank
Gunbreaker: Parry tank. Second highest tank dps but the least with armor value. However, gunbreaker rely on high parry rate to avoid getting damaged in the first place.
I understand the proposal I made is not great, but I tried to re-purpose all tanks in FFXIV without making them feel totally different, because if I had the option to erase them and re-build them from scratch, then I'd have went with different tank jobs and mechanics that are similar in design to that of WoW and some old-school MMOs.
Unfortunately, WoW's design only works because the devs pretty much don't care if a handful of classes become unviable for a tier. Not to mention, it's common for both tanks and healers to be rotated out entirely once their relevance is no longer necessary. Both are things FF intentionally aims to avoid. This makes it significantly harder for any one job to stand out individually because it becomes a nightmare to balance. Case in point, if Paladin were group oriented but the upcoming raid tier or Ultimate ficused predominantly on single target damage, it's essentially a dead job because all it brings at that point is "below moderate" damage. Likewise, the way tank busters work in FF, a pure sustain tank simply can't work. Unmitigated busters deal upwards of 200k or more. Even with echo, Warrior can't reach that amount of raw healing. In fact, they actually intended for this when ARR first launched. Warrior had very little mitigation. It was so bad, people were bringing two Paladins. Hence why they got a complete rework to their mit suite to the basis of what we see today.
I don't want to say they can't do anything to better diversify jobs but it will virtually guarantee some degree of imbalance. Which means the community needs to accept their favourite job might be turned away for a tier or two if we ever go down that road. Sure, you could argue people shouldn't do that and "all jobs would still be able to clear. So it doesn't matter!" Said community has proven time and again that isn't how it will play out.
And how realistic is it exactly for the average, or even above average player to even get any value out of Dark knight that you wouldn't already get out of Warrior but better?
Let's look at this static i've been playing with casually shall we? We have a machinist, uh oh! I'm missing out on crucial party buffs and so now i'm already better off playing Warrior even if i play perfectly.
Maybe there's casual content where i can get value out of Dark kni- nope. Warrior beats it at every piece of casual content. Old ultimates? Dark knight does less damage and doesn't even get a partywide.
I'm beyond annoyed with Warrior's current state in the game. It leaves so little space for my favourite job to be good anywhere else besides the microscopically small community of people doing speedkills.. And even there, under the perfect conditions, you hardly even get anything out of it. Meanwhile i have to feel bad for taking my job into any piece of content because it's just strictly worse than warrior. I don't play under the perfect buff window, in a group of perfect players. Why is this the standard we're setting for Dark knight players? Why the frick should i have to feel bad for taking my favourite class into any piece of content?
>Gunbreaker: Parry tank. Second highest tank dps but the least with armor value. However, gunbreaker rely on high parry rate to avoid getting damaged in the first place.
Can enemies even "miss" you in FFXIV? I now hit accuracy used to be a stat for players, did NPCs have it too?
yeah, before
in fact they could miss a ninja with shade shift so you would sometimes have the ninja pull the boss with a shade shift if the boss did an autoattack then pass aggro to the mt
No argument here. Warrior's sustain is absurd. Although, said sustain gets grossly overrated by far too many people who see it essentially becoming its own healer in dungeons and think it can perform those feats in Savage. Contrary to popular belief, Bloodwhetting is straight up worse than Corundum in a single target scenario, and while Dark Knight can't match either one for one, being able to consistently stack TBN + Oblation + Dark Mind absolutely schools both for raw mitigation potential. Speaking of which, Dark Knight has better overall mitigation than Warrior for this very reason while Gunbreaker kind of floats between both. Paladin still gets the raw end of the stick here if only because its sustain option is a damage loss.
>Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
The irony is Dark Knight is still the meta pick because it bursts so incredibly well. Go look up any parse or speed group and you'll find they overwhelmingly still favor Dark Knight—to the point of occasionally bringing two. This has been the fundamental problem with balancing tanks the last two expansions. Dark Knight plays so ridiculously well under raid buffs that when it also boasted the highest damage profile alongside the best mitigation suite, well... there wasn't a reason to play anything else. For all your insistence of Warrior being the god king super tank, Dark Knight towered over so aggressively in both Dragonsong and Omega as to double up it up in clear rates when both were current. In fact, Dark Knight's raw burst potential was so oppressive it saw more clears of TOP than every other tank combined throughout 6.3.
I wish they would stop making new jobs for one expansion and just focus on the combat for the current jobs we have.
Adding more and more is just going to make them feel even more same ish and add to the problem.
Fun part is, the dps they added is in the same boat. It looks just like reaper but with two daggers. Aesthetically different, mechanically similar. 123, fill gauge, do cool looking burst only this time it's blue.
And it's even worse for healers, because our damage dealing kit is so stripped down at this point that every healer is just "1 dps button 1 dot and then a bunch of healing spells that are way overtuned for 95% of the game that isn't hard raids."
In order to address -any- of this, the devs would have to take an actual risk in changing things up. Since risks are dangerous and people eat up "nEw" classes that are just reskins of existing content anyway, we will probably never see any deviation in this regard. "Please look forward to it!"
I think FFXIV dev team should learn more from WoW on how to design tanks and make them feel and play uniquely than each other. So far WoW has:
- A tank that relies on and increases both the "Armor" and "Block" values. Basically the tankist of tanks
- A tank with healing and supportive spells that is our FFXIV Paladin equivalent. Perfect for all situations
- A tank that turns the damage received into DoTs that are delayed or negated. Great for massive pulls.
- A self-healing tank that is our FFXIV Warrior equivalent
If we simply analyze WoW's tanks' design, then we can find that they share a common but obvious theme. "Survival" but in a different way for different situations.
We could follow a similar mindset when designing and reworking how tanks function here in XIV. For example;
Paladin: A tank with support spells such as group mitigation, group shield, with some healing spells that could turn him into a demi-healer when the situation demands it. Perfect when the healers aren't very reliable or not there but isn't good enough to replace them. Damage is slightly below moderate and armor is slightly above moderate (We can't forget it's the only tank with a protective shield, so armor value being moderate or less is ridiculous)
Warrior: The self-healing tank we all know and love, but with less than moderate damage and armor.
Dark knight: The tank dps. High dps but moderate armor (Dark knights wear full metal clad armors, so they should have more armor value than warriors RPG-wise). Great pick for people who want to feel the weight of the greatsword but on the account of being the least tank to be able to survive due to the focus on dps. Basically hardcore tank
Gunbreaker: Parry tank. Second highest tank dps but the least with armor value. However, gunbreaker rely on high parry rate to avoid getting damaged in the first place.
tank diversity quote is a factor in the second life mods for cat ear hoods and viera hats
this leads into cultist motivations for the barry xvi wow design
immersion who this game is made for plays into demystification and ecelebs
>That time during the Worlo exodus in ShB when Limit Max tried to bullshit his way into somehow finding the solution of every savage mechs after seeing once or twice in a ""blind"" prog
Don't forget that this was AFTER his hand picked team of elite WoW players got curbstomped by Titania and Innocence EX and took days to clear each one despite having crafted gear and food/pots. And then proceeded to get stomped on by Edengate normal.
And then Max started looking up guides and replacing people.
I find it hillarious that you constantly jump to the defense of the best tank in the game and now have the audacity to talk about favouritism.
With Warrior in it's current state there might as well not be 3 other tanks.
I mean honestly your arguments just aren't very good, I wrote a more reasonable response but it basically boiled down to combat design as a whole has kind of sucked since shadowbringers started. Oizen for instance is a lot better at articulating and understanding the issues and surrounding context, but the chip on your shoulder about xenos and being a middle of the road savage raider just makes you incredibly frustrating to talk to.
There was a sort of template left in my clipboard, but whatever you'll just get the wrong end of the stick.
I find it hillarious that you constantly jump to the defense of the best tank in the game and now have the audacity to talk about favouritism.
With Warrior in it's current state there might as well not be 3 other tanks.
>I find it hillarious that you constantly jump to the defense of the best tank
I don't know who you were talking to but the other guy seems to know exactly who you are? Is this just a discord raid then, wtf is going on?
>leveled FSH entirely by GC turn-ins back when I had Road to 80 >never actually touch the class out of fear all the big burly FisherChads will see me blundering around cluelessly and throw me into the ocean for being a faker
On the journey to Big Fish I practically never saw anyone else at the same spot as me unless it was Ruby, Cinder, Ealad or sometimes Lancet. Nobody's even around to judge you
Anyone feel like these jobs are getting to be a little.... Korean mmo classes type? Trying to be more and more foreign is just alienating me. Stick to the basics and remake them but stop trying to be the next Tera class.
i like how since the bald man made that cope video where he got called out for being a typical backpedaling homosexual everyone now brings in money as a reason to being lazy about some things when they talk about the development of the game
>xiv threads are just eceleb spam
I'm actually laughing holy shit xiv threads have become what they hated most. What a joke. Yoshi P suck my dick homieaa
i don't think there's ever been a period in Ganker's life where "literal Black person slang" wasn't used, jokingly or not. this is something newer migrants seem to have trouble with as they come over for Serious Discussions
WHEN WILL THEY SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT MOENBRYDAS DEATH HOLY SHIT.
She was alive for a few patches and died 3 expansions ago, not to mention how much of a forced character she was.
Please god let this be the last reminder of that boring roe dyke, I swear someone on the dev team has a crush on her.
Well, they only killed like 3 people
It's always going to be Horchufont, Moonbreeda, and Shiva. I mean papalimo is dead but he is a male lala so SE doesn't care
Salad died, Minfilia died, Livia died, Zenos died, Yotsuyu died, Regula died, pope died, Graha died but got cloned, Yshtola died but they keep finding ways to bring her back, that mhigger resistant dude died, Raubahn's bro died, Gabu's parents died, Emet died, a lot of EW characters died, one dude blew his own brain out.
bad guys don't count
bad guys are made to die
the EW characters don't count as they were made to die
beast tribe characters don't count because they aren't people
Minfilia died but we got Ryne so no one cares.
They're not bad guys, Emet is like WoL's uncle at this point, pope was still Aymeric's father, Ilberd won and Stormblood teaches us he was right all along, and Yotsuyu is my wife!
>Minfilia died but we got Ryne so no one cares.
Thancredbros...
WoW does the diversity of tanking styles with both offensive and defensive kits quite well, actually. The biggest block is light vs. medium vs. heavy armor, which won't work with how ffxiv is designed.
WoW has more variety across all of its roles, and more types of gameplay, period. The drawback is that you don't get the <1% esports balance that FFXIV players think mmos need.
WoW has some interesting class designs even if the game balance is horrible for some one them. Obviously its more about sustain damage rather than hard mitigation for one moment, but they can adapt some ideas and identities from that game and give it good twist on it in XIV (if they actually care about being creative).
You can't say that anon
There's too many cultists on both sides with so much sunk cost put into their game they refuse to acknowledge constructive criticism
Anyone who spergs out about taking inspiration from WoW is a moron because Yoshi-P has admitted in the past that is exactly what he has done. There is nothing wrong with borrowing good ideas from your competition.
>Yoshi-P has admitted in the past that is exactly what he has done.
FFXIV is the most blatant WoW clone ever created. You don't need YoshiP to tell you that.
This genre learns from itself and copies from each other all the time. Hell, when they were developing ARR, Yoshi told his devteam to go and look at what other MMOs were doing. He even famously told them to go play other popular MMOs at the time, including WoW.
This kneejerk WoW hate is ridiculous. And I don't even like WoW btw. It's obvious the devs are in a creative rut; they'd hella benefit from just stealing something that actually works from another game so we're not getting the same recycled crap for the next ten years.
I don't think Ishikawa understood Ilberd's character. I mean, how could she? He was written by a man, to be understood by men. He would go to the depths of hell to free his people, and he did, the only antagonist in XIV history to succeed. After all that, he'd have nothing more to say or offer were he still around, and simply fade away knowing he won.
And then here comes fujokawa, unable to understand sacrifice, so actually ilberd has been sitting around in the ethereal sea with papalymo conveniently right next to him, waiting for the WoL to visit because somehow both knew he would.
the whole thing should have been a callback to the EW content itself, with all the characters that recently died in torment of some sort you have an obvious structure to help resolve their suffering and could have Minfilia/Papalymo/Moenbryda's souls help guide them to the sea after you beat the shit out of them.
You should have had a section of EW garleans (the final boss being quintus cinna), a section of thavnair people who died without being turned (the final boss being an anguished Mehvan), and then the 3rd section you go much deeper into an amaurot final days section, with unresting ascians surrounding Hydaelyn (mirroring the situation around Zodiark's prison). Shit writes itself basically.
>with all the characters that recently died in torment of some sort you have an obvious structure to help resolve their suffering
Doesn't work because Meteion was kidnapping the souls so they couldn't reeincarnate. At most you might have had Quintus in there since he suicided before the Final Days started.
only the ones that turned into beasts, there were plenty of people who got crushed, eaten or killed in warfare. You could even make a point of this an have a Jullus' home part where his father was killed at the hands of the rest of the turned family and he's wondering where the rest of his family's souls are if you wanted to go very dark.
This entire dungeon was very stupid, why ilberd and the ritalin of all people? Livia maybe since she was a c**t, but not these 2
I feel like it was literally a case of not knowing who else to put there. I mean, we don't have a whole lot of enemies who die actually hating us. Asahi is the most clear example, but he needed to be there at the end of the dungeon, not in between.
Both Minfilia and Emet were moved to the Source's lifestream, Elidibus's soul got sucked into the Crystal Tower and was stuck there until it was used up to open the time travel gate.
Emet travelled there because he's fricking Hades. He's literally the council member that had powers over the Lifestream. It's why he was able to pull Y'shtola out by himself.
Elidibus didn't, when have you ever seen him in the lifestream?
>Nidhogg
His soul floated back up into the Dragonstar. >Thordan + knights
Thordan without his powers is just a frail old man, and most of the knights were tempered and didn't actually hate us. >The green roe loser
That's just a fricking joke. >Lahabrea
Fricking insane and we didn't kill him, Thordan did. >Nabrieles
Ehhh, could be I guess. >Nael
Nael died more than 5 years ago, she's gone. >Teledji
Also a fricking loser who would pose no threat. >Vauthry
First's lifestream, not there.
>His soul floated back up into the Dragonstar.
Proof?
Asahi was a weak b***h alive and still managed to shit on Amon, original body didn't matter, only their hatred
>Nidhogg
His soul floated back up into the Dragonstar. >Thordan + knights
Thordan without his powers is just a frail old man, and most of the knights were tempered and didn't actually hate us. >The green roe loser
That's just a fricking joke. >Lahabrea
Fricking insane and we didn't kill him, Thordan did. >Nabrieles
Ehhh, could be I guess. >Nael
Nael died more than 5 years ago, she's gone. >Teledji
Also a fricking loser who would pose no threat. >Vauthry
First's lifestream, not there.
>Grynehwat >a joke
He's the best antagonist in SB, and it would been perfect for him to be in the Atiascope over any other candidate. Besides Amon anyways, who needed to be the final boss. Grynehwat's arc is basically that of Zenos, self-proclaimed rival obsessed with fighting you, and of course you never even think about them because they're nothing compared to you. Actually an underrated character.
He didn't hate you that much, he just wanted to see if you were still sloppy or not.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He didn't hate you that much
That motherfricker helped orchestrate the whole bloody banquet and even went the extra mile neither Teledji nor Lolorito wanted to go just for a chance at kill Raubahn and every Scion he could get his hands on, he absolutely did hate you that much.
7 months ago
Anonymous
any ilberd apologists are shitposters or insane people. man straight up went "OH, IF MY PEOPLE JUST DON'T GOT THE GUTS TO TAKE BACK THEIR HOME, THEN I'LL KILL EVERYONE AND DESTROY IT ALL" because lolorito dumped his moronic ass
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean I like Ilberd, but I like him BECAUSE he was a complete extremist that decided literally nothing was a big enough price to pay for Ala Mhigo being free, even Ala Mhigo itself. Trying to pretend like he wasn't completely consumed by hatred is just missing the point of his character.
7 months ago
Anonymous
if there was one ilberd irl your people would no longer plague us
7 months ago
Anonymous
He wanted Loloritos money and when he wouldn't fund the Gyr Abania rebellion that's when Ilberd kidnapped Raubahn. It wasn't a vendetta against you, but he still disliked the scions being the GC lapdogs.
any ilberd apologists are shitposters or insane people. man straight up went "OH, IF MY PEOPLE JUST DON'T GOT THE GUTS TO TAKE BACK THEIR HOME, THEN I'LL KILL EVERYONE AND DESTROY IT ALL" because lolorito dumped his moronic ass
He did that because it was the only way the Eorzean Alliance and you would ever interfere with the imperial occupation of Gyr Abania. And he was right, brilliant minor antagonist. They just don't make them like Ilberd anymore.
I think class homogenization in MMO's moves like a pendulum because of player feedback and devs being moronic enough to listen to them.
WoW started with diverse classes, then homogenized them not to the extent of current XIV, but still, now it's moving towards diversity again.
XIV started with diverse jobs, homogenized them, hopefully they'll diversify again in the future
Okay, I may or may not have watched the trailer one too many times, but I think I found a female Hrothgar in it.
At first, I wasn't sure if it was a Hrothgar or a Mamool Ja so I compared them and the Mamool Ja doesn't have ears, so I thought it might be a Miquo'te, but they don't have that ear shape and she stands almost as tall as the Mamoolja around her which is WAAY taller than a Miquo'te. So I think they either forgot to take it out or left it in thinking that no one would see it. What do you think?
It would seem that they went for a more demure/human look. It's softer like a house cat than a lioness, which I don't know what to think of it, but I think it looks ok?
The details are pretty hard to make out, but the general shape seems pretty clear to me. It still has a muzzle and resembles a feline, but it is smaller.
That's way too blurry to draw any definitive conclusions. Also if they gave Urianger facial surgery between one teaser and the next I wouldn't count too much on anything you see about femhroths.
>6.0: Close in the Distance, Flow, Endwalker, WILD SHRIEKS >6.1: In The Balance >6.2: Scream >6.3: Dedicated to Moonlight >6.4: Athena The Tireless One >6.5: *crickets*
wtf Soken? You can't blueball us in the last patch like that
7.0 better deliver...
They put Soken on a leash for XVI for the muh cinematic high fantasy feel and it fricked it. Battle music is mostly kino though.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>battle music is mostly kino
oh you mean this
but remixed?
lmao @ sokengays
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean this
7 months ago
Anonymous
>16 titan ost
you lost me
that shit sucks
7 months ago
Anonymous
Filtered
7 months ago
Anonymous
based shit enjoyer
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's good.
xvi ost is shitty anon, even a femoid did better with 15
Overall it's shit but the boss songs are good.
7 months ago
Anonymous
how many 14 songs soken shamelessly used?
fate battle theme is there, so is 14 titan
7 months ago
Anonymous
he just remixed a lot of things
bahamut's fight and away are the only ones i enjoy
away being very similar to something out of heavensward
i think soken used to be very good pre-shb but since then it has all been remixes and one or 2 good songs
7 months ago
Anonymous
>used to be very good pre-shb
Just like everything else in the game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i think soken used to be very good pre-shb
you know why? because the motiffs for HW and SB were from uematsu
I love HW ost, that was peak Soken, but if you listen closely mos songs were arrangements of the HW theme
I think Soken is great when he can work with a good foundation, lett him alone and you get that pulse oblivion remix
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I love HW ost, that was peak Soken, but if you listen closely mos songs were arrangements of the HW theme
Uematsu did Dragonsong, the HW main theme was Soken.
7 months ago
Anonymous
it's uematsu, check the credits
7 months ago
Anonymous
Garuda's theme is also reused.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>shamelessly
Wait till DT connects XVI to XIV.
7 months ago
Anonymous
the cross over is coming before, they need to filll the void with events, also
all ff are connected already by dissidia and the rift and greg
7 months ago
Anonymous
xvi ost is shitty anon, even a femoid did better with 15
7 months ago
Anonymous
A lot of the 'dungeon' themes are fantastic though, and a few of the location themes are great like the area just outside that hidde crashed airship town.
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I'd post more examples but they still have 1/5 of the soundtrack under lock and key deleting videos that try to upload them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
that song is from ff14 tho as the other anon said
7 months ago
Anonymous
I do like that one and the Greatwood theme.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i prefer the original
7 months ago
Anonymous
*4/5ths of the soundtrack
7 months ago
Anonymous
I do like that one and the Greatwood theme.
*4/5ths of the soundtrack
>want to play this >locked to the piece of shit no games station 5 that no one wants
7 months ago
Anonymous
It'll be on PC soon
7 months ago
Anonymous
I know I know, it should have been there from the start
7 months ago
Anonymous
what about the 1 year of epic exclusivity?
7 months ago
Anonymous
They already confirmed they're working on the actual complete edition for PC znd it'll come out with DLCs.
7 months ago
Anonymous
game is a 7/10 at best
you aren't missing anything
7 months ago
Anonymous
xv lost barry
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, I'm not Barry.
I've never played ff15 outside of an hour or so
7 months ago
Anonymous
stopped at the best part, game peaked with cindy
7 months ago
Anonymous
Your PC wouldn't be able to handle it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The PS5 is just a 1060 with upscaling
I'm 2 generations ahead of that
Speaking of, I would like to present you, Princess Mira Avera, survivor of the Garlean rule. She is at the head of a campaign of rebuilding Bozja for her people. She was taken at an early age and put under brutal beatings and torture, one incident even leaving her with only 1 eye. She was cared for and taught by a few older Hrothgar who served under their previous queens. Now, with the liberation of Bozja and her newly found freedom from the Garlean oppression, she strives to make Bozja a home again for her people. Though lacking in experience she more than makes up for it in spirit! (This is one of my newest short characters, hope you enjoyed her! I am trying to keep myself busy and these short stories help a lot! ^^)
1. Mira and Branka are viable female Hrothgar names. and from what is shown you can already pick your female Hrothgar name, you can go into the Character creation, go either lost or helion and randomise surnames, and based on the name you get you can either choose to keep or remove the suffix "sch" or the prefix "a" and there you go. You can have that name for either clan cause fur colour has nothing to do with it.
2. A majority of the Lost are members of one of the 1 clan whose queen died and had that specific fur colour. Fur colour doesn't matter, you can be a blue Helion or an electric yellow Lost. The fur colour of the mother seems to be the main DNA passed down to her children.
3. All Hrothgar are kin, doesn't matter what status you are. Which we have seen in Bozja. :3
4. Females can choose to either not become queens or serve a queen. (Lesbians let's goo!!)
5. There doesn't seem to be an inverse Viera situation here, since, while rare, the females do seem to be there. The reason we do not see them seems to be because of the Bozjan incident rather than their birth rate. Aka they were casualties since we also see a smaller number of males as well.
6. The point about males being physically stronger is still there, which might mean that they will not be muscular, or they are strong in a different way like assassination. But that is me holding hope for some abs ;_;
7. Hrothgar's fluff seems to be good at insulating cold and it doesn't seem to be gender exclusive, so the females might get some fur patches like the males! I hope they will have similar designs while keeping in mind their more feminine body ^^
8. A majority of the Hrothgar we both met and will probably meet is of the Lost since Helions don't usually strike out on their own. But not impossible
I can't wait to be a female Hrothgar Helion, I am so happy!
SISTERS, OUR TIME IS NIGH!
>male Viera are never seen in the outside world, are extremely hostile to non-Viera, and are fiercely territorial >female Hrothgar are extremely rare and are kept isolated away from any harm due to that
> actually 'fans' complained so never mind, there's actually millions of them, take your pick. :^)
At least male Miqo'te being all over weren't that lore breaking.
I wanted to draw some possible hairstyles for Female Hrothgar. This is just speculation, but I found it fun and thought about sharing it! Feel free to add anything to these and make suggestions. The hairstyles are inspired by: Nordic women, Grece women, Cleopatra's hairstyle, some that I thought looked nice on the internet, some that have a tiara (to show a royalty status), the last 3 are inspired by both the female Ronso NPCs and a reimagined/simplified version of the gender-bend Khimari from FFX and of course a "bald" version as depicted in the Bozjan Murals.
I made a quick drawing of a female Hrothgar sorceress with the main weapon being that of a Force master from Blade&Soul. And of course, I had to choose the yellow fur colour with the blush!
The thing that really bothers me about Hrothgar lore is that I want my character to be a Queen (she was a handmaiden before becoming an adventurer), but for that she has to be a Helion cause The Lost do not have Queens. But the Lost have the blue fur colour and all Queens and handmaidens are depicted blue, so now I don't know what to do...
I want my blue girl, but becoming Lost would mess with her backstory...
I had a very weird dream today. I dreamed that I was at the fan fest, it was the opening of the show and the devs were coming to the stage, I could notice that Yoshi was wearing a T-shirt with that old Disney movie: "The Cheetah girls". I asked out loud if this meant that they were going to show Female Hrothgar by the end.
Well it did, they showed the new job (a caster that controlled crystals) and then they showed a trailer of them. They looked like a combination of the Queen from the art book and that art drawn by one of FFXIV artists. While it was not exactley what I wanted, I really liked the result. I will try to make a fan art depiction of what I saw.
Just to clarify: the body was exactley like that of the queen in the artbook and the head was just like the art (the white queen lioness one). And yes, ankle lenght tails!
I think this image really tempered my expectations. And showed me that I am way more open that I liked to think.
Imagine wasting your evening and your life pasting one message board's posts into a thread on a completely different site for no reason other than to be a nuisance
At least it makes me feel better knowing I'm not that bad off.
The joke is GATO SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and also that everyone keeps drawing Meteor with highlander proportions, even the fricking trailers nowadays.
>WoL keeps getting older and older in trailers. >While Alisaie just stays an eternal prepubescent teenager.
Tic toc Alisaiegays. We've already crossed into the point where absolutely nobody would look kindly on WoL having any sort of sexual relationship with her.
I don't dislike Soken, but I love seeing Soken dick riders claim to like a Soken song but he didn't make it.
Soken isn't bad but overrated and I'm pretty sure anyone could take his place with no drop in quality.
I don't think highly of Soken's work post SB. His SHB and EW stuff leaves a lot to be desired, and like you said, most of the time people don't even notice of he composed something or not.
UWU may be a meme fight now, but I got goosebumps every single time I got to that phase
The mechanics were made to line up with the peaks in the music too holy FRICK it was hype
UWU may be a meme fight now, but I got goosebumps every single time I got to that phase
The mechanics were made to line up with the peaks in the music too holy FRICK it was hype
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Better video showing how the music lines up
UWU may be a meme fight now, but I got goosebumps every single time I got to that phase
The mechanics were made to line up with the peaks in the music too holy FRICK it was hype
agreed, people call it the easiest ult and shit on it but it is such a good fight, it's fun to reclear and way more fun to prog and reclear than ucob
>Suppression ends >WITNESS >ULTIMA >Tank LB goes off >DARKNESS COME >REND THE SHIELD OF LIGHT
and it's right before that victory lap
god this fight GETS ME HARD MAKES ME GO ARMORCORD
all good themes are in places casuals dont care, GOOD
let em eat that in the balance slop, that shit doesn't even sound like disney songs, where did they take this from?
its pretty bland anon, your marvel disney brain just feels its good because its a fine arrangement technically, but it's mid at best, and it isn't even Soken KEK
7 months ago
Anonymous
stop projecting >and it isn't even Soken KEK
So?
7 months ago
Anonymous
its still shit
and was done by a better composer
you monkey that doesn't know how to read
this is the point
7 months ago
Anonymous
i don't care who composes it
i like the song
cope and seethe
Its OK. Weapons and Fiends music was pretty disappointing overall after ARR Primals, Triad, and Auspices got songs detailing their backgrounds or outlooks. >look its that song you recognized but in C major 3/4 this time
Aiiieeeee. I guess Rubicante's music does have lyrics about the fields and golbez but I still can't get over it being done by Hayadin.
Soken became a meme, so you see all casual secondaries sucking him because updoots
ans since they're dumb they go feral if you point the bad aspects out, and they are validated by grifters at youtube who upload like "music producer reacts" while acting like this game ost is mozart's requiem or something
I think Soken is actually a genius when it comes to boss themes but he's pretty mid for atmospheric themes, hit or miss, I wish they would hire Hamauzu to take care of the areas and towns' themes.
I played SoP, I just think the battle themes he did are lacking compared to the other battle themes in the game. I think the best battle themes he's done are in XIII-2, he just doesn't really go for that style very often. He makes more subdued tracks which make for beautiful area BGMs.
a lot of people always do uwu
some even join in alt jobs just make sure you get your prog points right and always push towards the next phase if you understand how the previous one works
it is the fastest ult i've done and it was my first, tea takes forever to fill
Sex with Ryne
Why do you morons think Viper is meant to be zidane? it's obviously gabranth. All of zidanes techniques are magic slop. Only gabranth is a martial master.
Ravana also has dual swords that he can combine to a twinblade in his fight
Zidane's Rune Tooth is also known as The Viper in IX
itz zidane for kids, its gabranth for chads
exactly
thats the thing anon, they had their own identity but got normalized with the 2 min meta rotation under the excuse to minimize the gap between casuals and pros, healers used to have aoe dots/dots, and aoe instead of spamming broil/glare/malefic, AST could give extended 2 min buffs like balance, or sks/sps up, they could stunlock mobs by extending the stun
>Why do you morons think Viper is meant to be zidane?
Because twin swords and acrobatics, plus he goes into Trance.
>Only gabranth is a martial master.
Gabranth uses magic too albeit.
It also has the FFXI Elvaan dual wield stance.
>Albeit
I have seen anons use this word alot and i am sure they don't know what it means
perchance
oi mate, doth thoust acquire the correct loicense for said cynicism?
not all anons are american monkes, albeit most are
It's the gibberishslop spammer.
>Magic
quickenings are not, nor will they ever be. Magic. Zidanes magic slop is literal magic slop.
>quickenings are not, nor will they ever be. Magic.
They literally use Mist as fuel you tard. And that's not a Quickening in the gif, that's just one of his normal skills.
It's a perfectly cromulent word thoughever.
>They literally use Mist as fuel you tard.
So? are airships magick now dipshit? what a completely moronic fricking statement. Maybe you should stop spamming your gibberishslop because you hate conversation and actually play an ff game.
>So? are airships magick now dipshit?
Airships don't use Mist as fuel, they float with skystones. They can't float over Jagd specifically because Jagd are so heavy with Mist.
>Maybe you should stop spamming your gibberishslop because you hate conversation and actually play an ff game.
I'm not the gibberish poster and perchance you might take your own advice albeit.
Embarrassing
Bloodborne job
All wrong. Its a Ravana job.
glamming as Ravana with that Vath tribal glam might be the one thing that will convince me to play Viper
Wrong, all of you guys are wrong.
This is the real inspiration.
DUAL WIELD
KINO KINO KINO KINO KINO
>don't hit the Aetheryte, dude
>it's obviously gabranth
>uses nin gear
lol
Completely forgot Gabranth could fuse his two swords... I mainly saw him do it in dissidia... Damn I wish they would port dissidia to PC...
Just emulate
Xivbidi toilet thread
Viper looks like shit, and it's almost certainly going to play just like every non-MNK melee. I hope they do a better job with the new caster, but I don't expect much.
I keep wishing they'd take a break from making new jobs to do something with the existing ones to really make them stand out and unique.
the showcase shows its a reverse reaper
fill gauge, slow burst, fill gauge slow burst, 2 min meta confirmed already, not even shitposting
XIV sucks
what the FRICK did you just s
XIV SUCKS
FRICK OFFFFFFF
I'm making a glam with the fall guys crown
gonna look like someone that would get kicked out of a flight
i wanna molest that potato
Trans rights
GET THAT STARCHY b***h OFF THE PLANE
hitler roe in thongs, name him takana owns'yoship
you will get hate mail for sure
STICKING OUT YOUR CHUCK FOR THE SNEEDLER
YOU'RE SO FEED
YOU'RE SO SEED
I JUST WANNA BE YOUR SLICKER
But where'd they get the giant coffee mug?
the mammets made it
I justrealized why it's called a Rhiyes
>pegwin
femroe enjoyers, we are going home
What is the emote?
The panic moves the beans do in Fall Guys
I'm over 30
I'm 38, get over yourself.
probably the fall guys hello
isn't it this one?
Nah that one is from the third variant dungeon
It's on the website
I bet your boyfriend doesn't even kiss ya
need that crown
Finally, we can wear burger king crown!
WE FAAALLLLLLLL
Expectations for the DRG rework?
Thoughts on current DRG?
Other jobs you would like to get a rework?
For me, I don't really think the Paladin needs a rework, but there are definitely a few buttons that bloat the hotbar that needs to be changed. I think all the tanks are pretty fun to play though.
I also feel like Ninja has some button bloat
Ninja is the only job that's still fun
I didn't say it wasn't fun, I just said it had some button bloat.
it literally doesn't, all buttons are useful, serve their own purpose and it doesn't have that many
I think there are too many things that are about extending Huton.
>all buttons are useful
SMN physick
we're talking about ninja here
god why are emet fans such speedreaders? oh wait...
you're not special enough for anyone to bother reading your posts
>PLD SHIELD BASH
Can I just remove Shield Bash from my hotbar? I'm on controller so layout and the amount of space is important for playing well and comfortably and I have literally never used Shield Bash in any content
You'll never use it outside of like extreme niche solo deep dungeon situations
yes, its useless unless you're spamming stun on dungeon mobs or doing something like potd
its useless anywhere else, bosses don't get stunned and even normal mobs get stun resistance and immunity for 1 min if you hit em like 3 times in a roll
If you take away physick then level cap SMN only has like 8 buttons
Tell me the purpose of this ability
Burst damage, relic of a better time
Delivers a threefold attack, each hit with a potency of 150.
Dopamine generation for the 2 minute meta just like TCJ
Ninja is way too rote
>hit mudras every 20 seconds and then buzzsaw things every minute
it's being reductive, I know, but honestly after hitting lv90 I really don't want to play ninja anymore
Nah, EW killed the flow it had in SHB which was already controversial due to mudra becoming GCD and shadowfang becoming an oGCD. Can't even prepull doton anymore for the smidgen of extra damage.
mudra becoming GCD was the best change to ever happen to ninja. TCJ is still the worst thing to have ever been added to ninja aside from shit like raijus at the beginning of EW
t. favorite ninja is HW
I like 6 raijus, I only wish we didn't have to jump each 6 times
Now we have to deal with 95 ninki before burst phases, muh autism
shut up and procreate with the black goth chick
I like the 2 minute kate meta albeit.
CHADS OF DAWNTRAIL, COME TO ME
I'm actually curious how many black-coat motherfrickers are gonna roll out for Viper at this point
for me it's a linen robe + padjali weapon
I hope Blizzard doesn't frick up again in the next 8 months. I can't with another WoWfugee crisis.
Well know a week from tomorrow!
anon, troonyflight is going into maintenance mode, and the next xpac is meant to be warlords of draenor in terms of content
these frickers aren't going anywhere, maybe if we do an ellaborate shitpost to shill gw2
it should keep em away for maybe 2 weeks
anon
Diablo 4 is dead already
OW 2 is dying
DF is only getting 2 major patches
They couldn't even sell Blizzcon tickets
Shit is grim
>still not sold out
This cant be real a week away from blizzcon...
>check
>Still can get tickets
Grim
flippers are selling it at a loss, 40% of the og price
>losing money on Blizzcon tickets
What a time to be alive
Why is so much of the smut for this game garbage?
Autism the webm.
Rating the jobs I've played so far at 70 in terms of fun
>Most fun
Warrior
Monk
>Fun
Dragoon
Gunbreaker
>Average
Dark Knight
>Needs spice
Paladin
Samurai
My Ninja is only 60 something, but so far it's fun. Red Mage is also 60 something and it's alright
>>Most fun
>Warrior
based
My biggest fear is that they "upgrade" Fell cleave in DT and somehow make it worse
Every oGCD ability with a cooldown that simply deals damage and nothing else should be removed from the game. They serve no purpose and take button slots from potentially more interesting abilities.
So true, let's remove sleep from blm and healers, they never use it in raids anyway Xd
its true i dont
You use it in deep dungeons THO
Or you would if you played the game
if it doesn't work in savage and ultimates it does not exist to me.
>potentially more interesting abilities
Yeah, nah. You're getting more attack oGCDs because CBU3 is creatively bankrupt on doing anything interesting besides Scholar Expedient.
buttons that do nothing but a cool animation and damage should be in the game, there should just be more interesting stuff to compliment it, you homosexuals are just like square enix just in the opposite direction, there needs to be a balance.
this is the fall guys emote
Yeah i'm not touching it
there are literally ZERO good emotes in minwalker, everything is homosexual oriented
get fricked yoshi
>blundervile crown
>redbill scarf
>south seas shirt dyed pure white
>Modern Aesthetics: Ambitious Ends
>Modern Aesthetics: Ambitious Ends
Why is this so popular? It looks like shit
Are there any jobs that are fun
Not in EW, there's just a few jobs that don't feel as bad.
nuMNK is actually very fun. It feels a bit barebone but the foundations are very solid and it feels great to play.
>but muh positionals
Don't care I still do them all.
It's funny that one doomposter going on about Viper never posted again when I pointed out that the "Enshroud" doesn't merge the swords. They stay split, oh and the char does the Gabranth title pose too.
it seems to be that it's gonna be more like a stance change.
That's a damage buff, the 2-handed attacks are spenders and dual wield attacks are builders
What's weird is that the "enshroud" ability is a GCD, don't know if there is another job with something similar.
SMN, Bahamut and Phoenix are GCDs that deal no damage.
Did they seriously remove DRG's blue meter and aura just to give it to Viper?
Double down is a shit attack and completely killed the flow of GNB for me.
it's not a shit attack because i hit the double down and if it crits i type in the chat poggers
aside from that at 2.50 gcd you can fit your continuation combo, double down, 3 burst strikes in no mercy so i don't know why people says it kills the flow of the job
Right? It fits perfectly well. People just love complaining.
no mercy works surprisingly well at 2.50 if you never drift, which i don't cus i'm godlike like that
What's the best external resource if I want to get into fishing autism
https://ff14fish.carbuncleplushy.com/
All you need
Thanks fren
I miss Rage of Halone, bros
t. Jack
I miss him.
Why did Heavensward have so much better side stories than other expansions?
they knew people would do them
he had a sexy voice too
those armours, why tf they are using a fashion fujo to design armour when they had this??
Regula is up there in my favourite characters in the entire game, along with Gosetsu.
Viper will be a DoT based melee with poisons, bleeds, and a pandemic window.
if that's the case i'll play it
i'm kinda more interested in green mage or whatever the new caster will be
so much so i've started slowly learning blm but i'm a tank main
>pandemic
SOKEN WROTE THAT SONG IN A HOSPITAL DURING COVID"!!!!!
AND HE HAD
CAN
CERRRRRRR
SO BRAVE
I still believe the new caster will be the dot job.
Though I'm curious on which direction they will go with VPR.
SAM rivall as a selfish DPS?
Will they give a trick attack so it just become a side grade to NIN?
Or they will just go with the RPR way and give it a shitty party buff with strong attack?
Assassination rogue, my beloved. Pandemic would actually fit really well with this games focus on party buffs and snapshotting damage.
frick ass rogue
combat/outlaw is better
I love all rogue specs equally. I played rogue from wrath onward, and even got a few hall of fames in BFA before I quit.
Won a fishing tournament once for the cheevo, felt good, cool trinket
the only good thing wow has ever done in it's entire life span was making undead rogues be the coolest mother frickers ever
do you like the new fur shader?
they are improving the look of fur because of beastmaster. you know it to be true
This is going to be DT collectors edition mount, isnt it?
It's gonna be the mount for one of the beast tribes like the pelupelu or something
level 100 all jobs
My money is on completing the MSQ
If beastmaster is really just blue mage 2 I don't know how I'll feel about it, they gotta make it extremely unique to make me feel like doing all those old raids again for the 90th time. Make it interact with some other content somehow
>Beast Master/Puppet Master and Blue Mage will be able to team up for content
Limited job could become something crazy if they keep going down this path.
To what end? As someone who's already done everything there is to do on Blue Mage having just finished Eden, what incentive is there do go back in as a blue mage teamed up with the new job?
I'm not saying you're wrong that they could make it interesting, I just think they need to come up with something else for these jobs to be able to do together. If they don't give the new one its own achievements separate from BLU, then there needs to be some other reason to play it. Use this as an opportunity to let them do deep dungeons or criterion or adventuring forays
It would really depend on how the incentivize the limited jobs for people.
If they create a set of limited jobs that can do older content in a unique way someone would do it.
I think ultimate's could be interesting for Limited classes to do.
I totally forgot the island existed after unlocking it. How long from start until I can unlock those shorts?
There are 3 or 4 pairs. You're going to have to be more specific.
they're called Island Booty Shorts apparently
No they aren't.
Basically the engine is shit. If you're at 60 fps you want 1.93 gcd. For anything else you want 1.94.
People say that controller is the reason why the GCD is 2.5, but I think this is just gigacope.
It's easy to do Mudra on controller
You can lower the GCD and it's still perfectly playable
And the fact that there are literally mountains of games with way higher APM and button presses and commands all the time compared to XIV on controller.
>i need to be spamming buttons every millisecond to stay engaged
it's 2.5 because of the animation lock response, pretty sure it's easier for the server that way, also because it lines up well with a lot of things
unrelated but what's the thing about fps and monk?
anything below 2.05 starts to drift and start to fail to queue the actions
great engine btw
That's not how it works. You can't execute an action until the next frame is drawn after the cooldown ends. Since monk is so fast, losing 1/60 of a second on your GCD is a bigger impact than losing the same amount at 2.5, plus it just happens that 1.94 is the ideal monk SS, and that happens to be one of the specific GCD speeds that results in the longest possible frame clip at 60 FPS to the point where you're basically playing at 1.93 or 1.95 if your game runs at 60 FPS. At higher framerates it doesn't matter much. Alexander also has an option to delay drawing the last frame before your GCD comes up to bypass the issue.
FPS affects every job's GCD time because of some input to server response frickery, it's just that MNK is more susceptible to it because its base GCD is faster.
It's literally just one anti-console/controller sperg that has some weird obsession. I love Ninja on gamepad.
Bro top fighting game players use pads the controller argument is one smooth brained moron
>load into diadem
>crack open a dr pepper zero sugar
Yeah, its game time.
We're going to Void.
We will meet voidsent characters and find out all of them are dindus including Cloud of Darkness, Diabolos and Scathact.
how do you go THIS off-model?
Maybe the guy who drew it has modded her to have giant boobies.
Or he just likes giant boobies.
>Maybe the guy who drew it has shit taste
Obviously.
>NOT DFC SCATHACH
RUINED
Played until the end of stormblood once
If I were to start playing again from scratch, what class is the most braindead moron easy to play, to clear content?
Summoner. Warrior if you want fast leveling queues.
SAM, RDM, SMN
if you plan on going for endgame content, melee dps or summoner
melee dps get little responsibilities even in ultimates but you should never frick your rotation up, in this way they're easy if you have good muscle memory
summoner is very easy to play but may be told to do more mechanics but that's fine because they don't need to focus on their rotation, they're easier in endgame if your memory for mechanics is good
if not going for endgame content just play warrior but learn what your cooldowns do please read the tooltip, i've had warriors not use vengeance in savage
I'll resub if they let me frick Ryne or Khloe. Otherwise, there's no point in making another expansion. Why grind if you never get dicky in the end?
WoL canonically uses Khloe like a fleshlight to unwind but they just keep it a secret to not upset the twitter mob
Canonically my WoL is married to T'kebbe, Khloe, and Riqi-Tio, Ryne, and Gaia.
this but Sylphie ans Raya-O too
>Sylphie
Isn't she taken?
>Raya-o
She's a little old looking but never aging is a plus.
I would have named all the au ri e-girls in the steppe and the autism bubble, but there's a lot of names and I don't remember them all.
Also the e-girl cat from the Moonfire Faire
>Isn't she taken?
I don't think so but even if she were you think that can stop the WoL? b***h needs correction after all she pulled in the conjurer quests.
Genuinely why does Ganker type like this? Embarrassing....
robots and /b/astards fill filling this thread
/b/tards have been extinct for almost 15 years, only Indians in incest caption threads remain
Look around. Non stop e-girl, lolcows trying to get e-famous, shitposting at unreal levels and total jannie inaction. This is /b/ now.
well yeah Ganker's always been "SFW" /b/
Nothing SFW about this board now anon we slipped down that slope.
SFW is in quotation for a reason, obviously Ganker in general is not safe for work
NSFW used to be the exception. Someone would post some porn on a blue board and it would get sweeped up. Now its the rule and there is no difference between a blue board or a pink board and its fricking shitty. Threads filled with the same pedos and trannies that used to be contained on /b/ or even /LULZ/ fill threads like this one.
And I'm him.
It's NuShatter day, Frontliners! Let's get this bread!
>all these battle highs
how the hell did you get a team that actually engages in fights?
He probably got put on the team that has the premades with plugins on it
>attacking blue when red is two small crystals from winning
Lmaoooo
how do i play blm in frontline?
Are we getting AF sets boys?
didn't we get some of those in eureka?
No, we got the scorpion harness which was a random one off item, Kirins Osode which is part of a full set they didn't port, and the Vermillion Cloak which is another one off item.
and drk?
>best partywide mitigation
only if the attack is physical which most of the fights it isn't
>best invuln in the game
true
>best sustain in the game
at the cost of not having the best mits but it's not like it matters, most things you invuln or kitchen sink or half kitchen sink and you'll be fine, specially with an ot that knows when to throw you their 25 secs
>ranks #1 or #2
this is what i don't like about the buffs, i think warrior should never be allowed to be #1 or #2 only because of its simplicity
i do think they need to add something to tanks to make it more distinct aside from their way of pressing buttons, i still think having a button to evade would be cool so if anything the 5th tank could be an evasion tank
the thing is that se has been also trying to close the gap within which tank is best for mt and which is for ot but it's clear that war is the best with its self-sustain
>>best invuln in the game
Not in EW, every single instance where you'd want to use it the encounter was designed in a way to frick over holmgang. WAR also gets turbo fricked in ultimates, especially TOP, due to how much less mit it has compared to the other tanks.
We already got the samurai one from the FF11 event
That's Iroha's set, it isn't the SAM AF
I never played 11, I always thought that's what the set was my bad
She's a nice character, we might even see more of her for the ally raid.
I never liked Iroha, she's kinda boring.
I want the WHM, RNG and BRD hats. Also the entirety of DNC, BLU, PUP and SAM sets. Probably BLM, RDM, PLD, DRG, WAR and COR too
DNC has some amazing sets
Wow, a male dancer set that isn't dog shit. FFXIV could learn from XI.
No.
Of fricking course not. You'll get "fanadiel inspired" gear that has buttcapes for melee jobs and long coats for casting and aiming.
We literally got Ivalice game outfits for the raids.
That got butchered because of muh unisex gear.
the WAR one is kinda already in 14 - since SB
nothing even close to it is in XIV
it was this but I was wrong now that I see it again
It's a good set but yeah, they really haven't tried to bring over any AF concepts from XI. In some of the more modern AF sets they go off in some fun directions with them.
Scorpion Harness is not the WAR AF set, if that's what you were thinking
Probably not. We'll likely get the more job neutral gear instead.
We need more subligars.
>armors are all shared
>samurai will get cucked yet again
I fricking hate this lazy devs so much.
Well if it makes you feel better MNK SAM and NIN shared gear in XI and it had a very clear eastern look to it that suited SAM, also SAM had many many great sets.
>tfw havent been able to get excited about anything since the endwalker MSQ
it's over for me bros
What would a new tank even contribute at this point
At the rate at which the tanks have been homogenised and powercrept, how would a new tank design even fit into this increasingly rigid mold that streamers and their followers have set to make sure no tank does anything better than Warrior? How can we have fun and rewarding new tanks when all of them need to be strictly worse adaptations of the most basic, streamer's favourite tank?
The only tank that does anything different from Warrior is Paladin And all it does is protect an individual better than War can thanks to cover, but it rarely comes into play. Dark knight and Gnb used to be the dps tanks because they brought less defensive utility to the party. With that advantage removed, are they just going to turn into Warrior clones now? Because as a tank main i'm a little frustrated with the way the tanks are currently designed.
Warrior has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
Warrior has the best invuln in the game.
Warrior has the best sustain in the game.
Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
What did Gunbreaker and Dark knight bring? Damage. To make up for their weaker defensives and utility. But apparently we can't even have that. So what's the point of these tanks? Are they going to turn them even more into Warrior clones in the next expansion just to be safe? What would be the point of a new tank? What will be the point of any complexity? Where would a new tank fit in, in a role where 1 job, and the simplest one at that, does everything and is the best at everything? I'm going over every piece of content right now, and i find it hard to justify playing anything over Warrior. Normal content, extremes, savage or even ultimates. Warrior is the best solution to every problem. Why can't different tanks be good at different things? Was Warrior doing 3% less damage really that big of an issue when it already has so much going? I Just don't really see the point
Heart of Light and its clone are better than Shake
I don’t want to make every tank thread i see about healers but at least healers actually have defined strengths and weaknesses and in general their damage is proportional to how easy they are to play and hard they are to optimise
I have no idea why we even have 4 tanks anymore; we may as well have 2- WAR and kick them for a WAR
I'm a bit worried they might actually pull a healer split with Off-Tank and Main-Tank sub roles. Like they did for shield and pure healer. Especially when the roles sort of already exist.
I hope they do, maybe then all the tanks wouldn't be exactly the same
Have you mixed up tanks and healers ? Because healers literally do the same mindless thing with a different coat of paint.
It's all just flavor at this point.
There are no reasons to even make new jobs unless you want make one based on DN's style
In that case, why have multiple classes at all?
After all, they all just do damage, and some can heal as well.
What is lost if if there is only one class that can do damage and heal?
(Actually there would be quite a bit lost, even if no loss in usefulness would happen)
>In that case, why have multiple classes at all?
well, they used to be different
now they aren't
It's really only the mages that feel different enough to me, and I say this as a WAR main.
the reason is to play different jobs and aesthetics.
while mechanically they all play the same they look different.
we will even get more of dps/healers/tanks in the upcoming years heck the expansion after DT will be the tank/support dps expansion so honestly if you want to give suggestions now is the time for what they can be and do.
So tanks are different animation packs for Warrior then?
i mean if you want to ride warrior that hard you are free to see it that way.
the way to see it is actually you choose the tank you find interesting and play it as they are all viable in all content if you dont want to play anything else cause you find warrior best in everything you are free to limit yourself.
This.
And they don't even play the same. There's a split between WAR/DRK and GNB with PLD somewhere in between, and the DRKs very much think they're different (and get the short end of the stick) compared to WAR.
One could ask why ever add new DPS Jobs, but no one ever does, because DPS players are first class citizens and folks recognize that new Jobs are a nice thing to get for a role from time to time.
Didn't they do this in ShB?
And it kind of went down in flames, causing them to revert it? (Which kinda begs the question why they tried it with healers in EW, which also seems to have failed since SGE can outheal WHM/AST if it needs to in a pinch and AST is half-barrier healer anyway, leaving WHM out in the cold since it has only Temperance for mit, which is less mitigation per time than BLACK MAGE via Addle...)
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OP: Not everyone likes WAR's aesthetic or rotation. That's why. You're a DRK so you think all tanks are WAR clones because DRK has kind of become one. PLD and GNB aren't, and GNB in particular plays very differently than WAR with all the oGCD weaving, rigid rotation, and no upkeep buff (PLD doesn't have an upkeep buff, either).
Try some of the other tanks.
I feel like this is less a "Why even add more tank Jobs" thread and more a disgruntled DRK complaining about how DRK is a worse WAR...
>Didn't they do this in ShB?
It was prior Shadowbringers, actually. But yes, they did. From ARR through to Stormblood, they were pretty set on the notion of an "main" tank and "off" tank. They scrapped the whole thing because it caused players to lock specific tanks into those roles and caused several balancing problems. Both Dark Knight and Paladin wanted to MT due to having procs which triggered off auto attacks yet Paladin was straight bad at it, especially since their stances were on the GCD. Cover back then just made them a much better OT. Meanwhile, Warrior with Unchained was so hilariously good at MTing, you'd be crazy not to make them do it.
They pretty much acknowledged the system didn't work going into ShB. So there's zero chance they'll even consider bringing it back around.
WAR literally has the worst mitigation of all the tanks, the only saving grace is they moved it from 3rd/4th in damage up to second.
I will never forgive them for the Paladin rework.
The problem is fight design. There are very good offtank mechanics, but a lot of fights never utilize these:
- Splitting enemies (force the tanks to pull them apart)
- Double tank busters (and yes, some can be taken by a well shielded dps, but convenience makes a tank prefered)
- Adds, idealy with an instant aggression towards the off tank (so the main tank cannot instantly provoke them).
Even for normal mode trials/raids tank swapping should become a mechanic:
Each 'special' attack (diffirently marked tank buster) adds a stack to a tank. Upon reaching x stacks, the affected tank will get ability blocked (while death can be punishing, losing control is equaly anoying. So silencing/hyseria/stuns all work). The stacks deplete over time (60s). This means that if a maintank disagrees and instantly takes it over, they will cause their own issues.
For these mechanics, you can also make shirking become stronger bassed on debuff stacks (making the maintank also capable of shirking the aggro away, but the offtank unable to instantly shirk it back). If a tank died, and the maintank gets disabled by this, aggro would still at least be effective for a while until the other tank provokes.
I think this would be at the same difficulty level as most healer checks, and with a very clear effect also turn into mussle memory quickly.
FFXIV need multiples jobs because :
-you need to exp them and gear them -> more playtime -> more subscription time -> more money for SE
-people see more different aesthetics -> more likely to be interested and subscribe -> more money for SE
FFXIV need multiples jobs to be the same because : less dev/balance time -> more money for SE (unless the time goes to one of their flop)
Yes, how dare an organization in a capitalist society earn money! The shame of it all!
WAR may have had a big too much love especially in those last patches.
But I play for Aesthetics and gameplay, not for meta.
I'd like to see tanks with different aesthethic, be it gunlance, flail... You see.
Dark Knight was very strong at the beginning of the expansions and had a few buffs but it's true it needed a few more helping hands.
Dark Knight needs a second combo and a gimmick that isn't "vomit cooldowns"
agreed
i've said it before
one combo for hp one combo for mp
or even a dot combo
or even a lose hp combo that deals more damage
or a flavor of continuation
but i think these things would bring balancing problems, however it's not my job to balance the game and i will always say that some jobs just need to be stronger than others and i'm all in favor of making my favorite jobs stronger
has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
PLD Veil is equivalent to Shake it Off unless you use cooldowns to make it stronger, and it has Passage of Arms in addition, which is the single most powerful party mitigation if you can use it effectively
Bold of you to assume DRK isn't already a WAR clone. It lacks the healing, but the gameplay loop is far more similar than anyone should be okay with.
The only thing we as a community really value is damage. Jobs with low damage are naturally going to be filtered out during the curation process of most groups. Leaving WAR's damage in the gutter would ultimately have left them in the same position as rez mage, if not worse. In fact, almost definitely worse - a tank's damage, not its sustain, is valued in progression. In other words, gimping damage as a tax for some form of utility, sustain in WAR's case, will only result in that job being excluded. WAR was the "dungeon tank" before its damage caught up, and it will again be relegated to that when its damage inevitably gets hamstrung again.
I would much rather see DRK's self-sustain (and only its self-sustain; its party utility should remain untouched) raised to equal or slightly exceed GNB's. A nudge to its sustain would go well toward equalizing things since it already has incredibly powerful mitigation tools.
It's fine for tanks to have similar defensive and sustain tools so long as their offensive kit isn't too similar. Problem is, everything is so homogenized at this point that one can scarcely argue the offensive kits are much different. We've got a bit of a self-perpetuating cycle, I think. People won't play/recruit jobs with low damage output --> SE improves those jobs --> people complain about X thing being unfair because X can do Y when Z can't --> SE hands out some nerfs (or sometimes not) --> people begin favoring the jobs they snubbed before --> repeat ad infinitum.
lol funny you mention that because i said the exact same thing a few weeks ago and there's this drk up-player that was in these threads constantly that told me drk has better self-sustain because they hit souleater more than gnb gets brutal shell
he just completely ignored heart of corundum
WAR's sustain should probably be nerfed come DT imo.
Remove the Overtime effect from Shake
Set BW to only heal per GCD
Have Nascent only heal your target
probably give it more standard mitigation in exchange for this. I just think if we keep down this mass sustain creep on tanks we're going to see more and more content get cleared healerless/with one healer whenever its able.
I can agree with most of this, but I do think making Bloodwhetting heal once per GCD is excessive. Having it heal per hit mostly affects dungeons, which are already inconsequential content.
Its also an overwhelming majority of content that healers are already powercrept out of, only kept in because the duty finder forces it.
You know that neither of the solo-healer EW Ultimate groups had a WAR tank, right?
The zero healer clear had one
As did the zero healer clear of p12s. But then PLD was in both of those as well.
I took a break from the game when the TOP no-healer run happened so I didn't even know such a thing existed. That's pretty fricking wild, healers really are fricking worthless in this game
IMO WAR's healing isnt as problematic as people think it is but I still think it should be toned back in exchange for giving it real mitigation. Same for PLD honestly.
Sustain creep on tanks could very easily spiral out of control if they decide to start buffing GNB or DRK to match this.And unfortunately, thats basically how they handle tanks. One expac one tank will get thing, next expac they'll all get that. I would not be surpirsed at all if 7.0 gives DRK and GNB their own bloodwhettings or aoe heals.
Alternatively we could just push it further and delete the healer role entirely which I'd be fine with.
They need to remove some of the healer oGCD's. It's pretty fricking stupid that you're spending 99%+ of your GCD's doing damage.
I had way more fun healing in synced Coils last year than any EW content because I had way less oGCD tools and I had to use shit like Cure II and sometimes even Cure I to manage mp
while i do think that it'd be healthy to not have war always be the best choice for a tank in a group i don't think that nerfing it is the solution
instead it'd be best to bring other jobs up in a sensitive way
come on now, we discuss the game you guys get mad, a lala discussed the game you guys get mad, someone talks about e-celebs and wow and you guys just jump into the conversation
nobody cares about your parasocial relationships
see
>WAR's sustain should probably be nerfed come DT imo.
It's sustain is very weak, weaker than PLD if they choose to try.
>Remove the Overtime effect from Shake
Why, it's already the weakest aoe cd
>Set BW to only heal per GCD
That's already how it works, also both PLD and GNB were given better versions of BW.
>Have Nascent only heal your target
Then give WAR the two mitigation buttons it's missing.
You morons massively overstate what WAR has because you only run dungeons, that or you play DRK and are having a meltdown that it's not the far and away best tank in the game for a single patch stretch.
I like DRK because they look cool. Not everything always has to be about the top 1% of players in the hardest content in the game.
But the original thread was against the 1% of hardcore players, what...?
This thread wants to dehomogenize where homogenization has happened because the 1% complained until they went that direction, the direction to make jobs basically play the same (to make them easier to balance). So making another of the same would just result in a different flavor of the same thing. (Although having played all jobs now, healers are the ones where this has affected the most. But it is indeed prevalent throughout all jobs on various levels and degrees.)
Although I agree aesthetics to a job are important but they shouldn't be the only defining factor for a job.
Honestly they need to take a book out of PvP here and just make every job broken in one aspect. Get some identity.
Screw easy balance!
First and foremost, OP, you really need to let go of this vendetta you have towards Warrior. It's not nearly the supposed god you keep insisting it is. Especially when you consider it was thoroughly outclassed for almost two full expansions.
>Warrior has the best partywide mitigation in the game.
Shake it Off is not the best partywide mitigation. In fact, the whole reason they added the regen effect is due to mechanics like Styx rendering it completely inferior to straight mitigation. On the whole it's situational which is better but Paladin wins in this category by virtue of having two options. Don't get me wrong, Shake is very strong but it's not necessarily better than Missionary or Light.
>Warrior has the best invuln in the game.
Holmgang is incredible. There really is no denying that. I'd argue new Living Dead is very nearly on par with it though because the Dark Knight doesn't have to invest additional resources to heal themselves. They just... do damage. The difference of 60 seconds is borderline irrelevant since nearly all planned usages will align with both, though there are some exceptions (Dragonsong comes to mind). Nonetheless, the devs have notoriously overvalued Hallowed Ground. They seem to think being invulnerable is somehow better than being unkillable. Such situations where that is true are so niche they aren't worth mentioning.
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>Warrior has the best sustain in the game.
No argument here. Warrior's sustain is absurd. Although, said sustain gets grossly overrated by far too many people who see it essentially becoming its own healer in dungeons and think it can perform those feats in Savage. Contrary to popular belief, Bloodwhetting is straight up worse than Corundum in a single target scenario, and while Dark Knight can't match either one for one, being able to consistently stack TBN + Oblation + Dark Mind absolutely schools both for raw mitigation potential. Speaking of which, Dark Knight has better overall mitigation than Warrior for this very reason while Gunbreaker kind of floats between both. Paladin still gets the raw end of the stick here if only because its sustain option is a damage loss.
>Warrior ranks 1# or 2# for damage in almost all fights.
The irony is Dark Knight is still the meta pick because it bursts so incredibly well. Go look up any parse or speed group and you'll find they overwhelmingly still favor Dark Knight—to the point of occasionally bringing two. This has been the fundamental problem with balancing tanks the last two expansions. Dark Knight plays so ridiculously well under raid buffs that when it also boasted the highest damage profile alongside the best mitigation suite, well... there wasn't a reason to play anything else. For all your insistence of Warrior being the god king super tank, Dark Knight towered over so aggressively in both Dragonsong and Omega as to double up it up in clear rates when both were current. In fact, Dark Knight's raw burst potential was so oppressive it saw more clears of TOP than every other tank combined throughout 6.3.
It wasn't just good, it was downright incredible. At one point in time, if you aren't running Ninja, you'd Dance Partner a Dark Knight in the opener than switch to Samurai.
This is the first and only tier Warrior has even entered the conversation since Shaowerbringers. So while I agree general tank gameplay is relatively stale. Let's dial back the notion "everything is a Warrior clone cause Warrior's best!!"
drk is good at downtime phases and in an optimized comp, you want sch drg, ast to buff its damage during the 2 mins
for unoptimized everything else is better
this thread has had the best xiv gameplay discussion in months
>DRK has the best burst, therefore the best damage profile for Ultimates
>Almost all the tankbusters in EW Ultimates are magic, so DRK also has the best mitigation tools with Dark Mind
It's pretty crazy how much better DRK has been in EW Ultimates compared to the other tanks
>They added all sorts of bullshit to tankbusters in EW to frick over holmgang to the point where you either don't want to use it for them or you have to use extra mit with your invuln and that's just silly
I don't think you can balance dark mind as a skill.
Its either broken or worthless.
WAR really fricked paid for its Asphodelos crimes with holmgang.
Why they haven't just increased its cd is beyond me, seems easier than investing weird tank busters that cant be invuln cheesed.
I wish they would stop making new jobs for one expansion and just focus on the combat for the current jobs we have.
Adding more and more is just going to make them feel even more same ish and add to the problem.
you're out of your mind
having new jobs is what shakes things up
not the exact expansion they come out but the next one after that, for better or for worse
i wish we'd get 3 jobs instead but it's obvious they try new things with every new job
in any case when you say
>just focus on the combat for the current jobs we have
what do you even think that could be done about that? it's very clear that jobs are designed around raids/trials
yes they could try a lot of things with multiple jobs and maybe add dots back since they increased the limit of buffs/debuffs but honestly i've come to realize that there's never a good answer for it that isn't biased
would it be fun to have test servers where devs go crazy about changes and ask for feedback? yeah definitely but i don't think this is the kind of game or these are the kind of devs for that
>It looks just like reaper but with two daggers
not sure if cope or delusional, we only saw like 3 gcds total in that trailer, same as when reaper got revealed we couldn't draw any conclusions about it, sure it'll have those things you said but that's like the broadest assumption ever
Fun part is, the dps they added is in the same boat. It looks just like reaper but with two daggers. Aesthetically different, mechanically similar. 123, fill gauge, do cool looking burst only this time it's blue.
And it's even worse for healers, because our damage dealing kit is so stripped down at this point that every healer is just "1 dps button 1 dot and then a bunch of healing spells that are way overtuned for 95% of the game that isn't hard raids."
In order to address -any- of this, the devs would have to take an actual risk in changing things up. Since risks are dangerous and people eat up "nEw" classes that are just reskins of existing content anyway, we will probably never see any deviation in this regard. "Please look forward to it!"
They could have simply done away with job stones and tied your abilities to the weapon. this is what happens with the dev lacks foresight also a skill they took away. BUt this is the result of lowering the skill ceiling on essentially all jobs and we get what we have homogenization.
They killed diversity for the sake of end game.
Proof?
I think FFXIV dev team should learn more from WoW on how to design tanks and make them feel and play uniquely than each other. So far WoW has:
- A tank that relies on and increases both the "Armor" and "Block" values. Basically the tankist of tanks
- A tank with healing and supportive spells that is our FFXIV Paladin equivalent. Perfect for all situations
- A tank that turns the damage received into DoTs that are delayed or negated. Great for massive pulls.
- A self-healing tank that is our FFXIV Warrior equivalent
If we simply analyze WoW's tanks' design, then we can find that they share a common but obvious theme. "Survival" but in a different way for different situations.
We could follow a similar mindset when designing and reworking how tanks function here in XIV. For example;
Paladin: A tank with support spells such as group mitigation, group shield, with some healing spells that could turn him into a demi-healer when the situation demands it. Perfect when the healers aren't very reliable or not there but isn't good enough to replace them. Damage is slightly below moderate and armor is slightly above moderate (We can't forget it's the only tank with a protective shield, so armor value being moderate or less is ridiculous)
Warrior: The self-healing tank we all know and love, but with less than moderate damage and armor.
Dark knight: The tank dps. High dps but moderate armor (Dark knights wear full metal clad armors, so they should have more armor value than warriors RPG-wise). Great pick for people who want to feel the weight of the greatsword but on the account of being the least tank to be able to survive due to the focus on dps. Basically hardcore tank
Gunbreaker: Parry tank. Second highest tank dps but the least with armor value. However, gunbreaker rely on high parry rate to avoid getting damaged in the first place.
I understand the proposal I made is not great, but I tried to re-purpose all tanks in FFXIV without making them feel totally different, because if I had the option to erase them and re-build them from scratch, then I'd have went with different tank jobs and mechanics that are similar in design to that of WoW and some old-school MMOs.
Unfortunately, WoW's design only works because the devs pretty much don't care if a handful of classes become unviable for a tier. Not to mention, it's common for both tanks and healers to be rotated out entirely once their relevance is no longer necessary. Both are things FF intentionally aims to avoid. This makes it significantly harder for any one job to stand out individually because it becomes a nightmare to balance. Case in point, if Paladin were group oriented but the upcoming raid tier or Ultimate ficused predominantly on single target damage, it's essentially a dead job because all it brings at that point is "below moderate" damage. Likewise, the way tank busters work in FF, a pure sustain tank simply can't work. Unmitigated busters deal upwards of 200k or more. Even with echo, Warrior can't reach that amount of raw healing. In fact, they actually intended for this when ARR first launched. Warrior had very little mitigation. It was so bad, people were bringing two Paladins. Hence why they got a complete rework to their mit suite to the basis of what we see today.
I don't want to say they can't do anything to better diversify jobs but it will virtually guarantee some degree of imbalance. Which means the community needs to accept their favourite job might be turned away for a tier or two if we ever go down that road. Sure, you could argue people shouldn't do that and "all jobs would still be able to clear. So it doesn't matter!" Said community has proven time and again that isn't how it will play out.
And how realistic is it exactly for the average, or even above average player to even get any value out of Dark knight that you wouldn't already get out of Warrior but better?
Let's look at this static i've been playing with casually shall we? We have a machinist, uh oh! I'm missing out on crucial party buffs and so now i'm already better off playing Warrior even if i play perfectly.
Maybe there's casual content where i can get value out of Dark kni- nope. Warrior beats it at every piece of casual content. Old ultimates? Dark knight does less damage and doesn't even get a partywide.
I'm beyond annoyed with Warrior's current state in the game. It leaves so little space for my favourite job to be good anywhere else besides the microscopically small community of people doing speedkills.. And even there, under the perfect conditions, you hardly even get anything out of it. Meanwhile i have to feel bad for taking my job into any piece of content because it's just strictly worse than warrior. I don't play under the perfect buff window, in a group of perfect players. Why is this the standard we're setting for Dark knight players? Why the frick should i have to feel bad for taking my favourite class into any piece of content?
>unviable
None of the specs in WoW are unviable. You can find every single one clearing mythic raids. You are conflating viability with optimity.
>Gunbreaker: Parry tank. Second highest tank dps but the least with armor value. However, gunbreaker rely on high parry rate to avoid getting damaged in the first place.
Can enemies even "miss" you in FFXIV? I now hit accuracy used to be a stat for players, did NPCs have it too?
They used to be able to. Dunno about nowadays.
Yes, happens all the time in the open world, doubt dungeon/raid bosses ever miss though.
Don't the last time I've ever interacted with an open-world mob outside of beast tribe
yeah, before
in fact they could miss a ninja with shade shift so you would sometimes have the ninja pull the boss with a shade shift if the boss did an autoattack then pass aggro to the mt
tank diversity quote is a factor in the second life mods for cat ear hoods and viera hats
this leads into cultist motivations for the barry xvi wow design
immersion who this game is made for plays into demystification and ecelebs
True!
What would a new anything even contribute at this point
hopefully they add some job identity back to the game without risking wow levels of job exclusion
At this point I'd take that over what we currently have.
untill your main is the one effected
>What would a new anything even contribute at this point
New particle effects for morons to clap at.
Have u really just been going to the OF and copy and pasting random threads, then replying to yourself with replies?
geez i thought the lalaspammers were schizo
I think the "golbez armor motivation" poster set him off
i want a duel wield tank just for the aesthetic. but i want them to rework job design more
shotgun tank
and you may find yourself
playing a shotgun tank
>That time during the Worlo exodus in ShB when Limit Max tried to bullshit his way into somehow finding the solution of every savage mechs after seeing once or twice in a ""blind"" prog
He was just a genius
Build different
WoW is just that more better build
I'm not going to watch your one hour long Vtuber reaction video about that topic.
I miss Yuki bros
>that time he was telling people not to limit break in SoS their first time
Yea he was moronic for that
Imagine spending a minute of your life watching a XIV streamer.
What are you doing dude?
Don't forget that this was AFTER his hand picked team of elite WoW players got curbstomped by Titania and Innocence EX and took days to clear each one despite having crafted gear and food/pots. And then proceeded to get stomped on by Edengate normal.
And then Max started looking up guides and replacing people.
Honestly, it just showed how much better Echo is in term of game skill.
And how carried Limit is by Worlo addons
Hol' up hol' up hol' up hol' up hol' up.
Never seen a femra that looked good, their faces options all suck.
>wojaks
>porn
>avatars
>usernames
>mass replies
>bait
>shitposting
Is this /b/?
dark knight is best in frontlines, the pve version needed nerfed as to not show favouritism
I find it hillarious that you constantly jump to the defense of the best tank in the game and now have the audacity to talk about favouritism.
With Warrior in it's current state there might as well not be 3 other tanks.
I mean honestly your arguments just aren't very good, I wrote a more reasonable response but it basically boiled down to combat design as a whole has kind of sucked since shadowbringers started. Oizen for instance is a lot better at articulating and understanding the issues and surrounding context, but the chip on your shoulder about xenos and being a middle of the road savage raider just makes you incredibly frustrating to talk to.
There was a sort of template left in my clipboard, but whatever you'll just get the wrong end of the stick.
>I find it hillarious that you constantly jump to the defense of the best tank
I don't know who you were talking to but the other guy seems to know exactly who you are? Is this just a discord raid then, wtf is going on?
kids game
I haven't done her bullshit in years, should i bother?
Only bother if you need the exp. Unless you get 3 rows then the rewards are basically non-existent.
>leveled FSH entirely by GC turn-ins back when I had Road to 80
>never actually touch the class out of fear all the big burly FisherChads will see me blundering around cluelessly and throw me into the ocean for being a faker
Dont worry, bro. Everyone starts from somewhere. Let me show you the ropes so you can get your first big fish.
I'm going to keelhaul you.
On the journey to Big Fish I practically never saw anyone else at the same spot as me unless it was Ruby, Cinder, Ealad or sometimes Lancet. Nobody's even around to judge you
Anyone feel like these jobs are getting to be a little.... Korean mmo classes type? Trying to be more and more foreign is just alienating me. Stick to the basics and remake them but stop trying to be the next Tera class.
No
GNB is just a character made into a class
DNC is some classic FF shit
RPR is just melee vincent
SGE is a FF remake
VPR is just a rogue
Play Tera
no
>RPR is just melee vincent
Vincent doesn't use scythes
He does in some alpha Nomura concept art. He was meant to at some point.
What? it's a dude with 2 swords.
i like how since the bald man made that cope video where he got called out for being a typical backpedaling homosexual everyone now brings in money as a reason to being lazy about some things when they talk about the development of the game
>xiv threads are just eceleb spam
I'm actually laughing holy shit xiv threads have become what they hated most. What a joke. Yoshi P suck my dick homieaa
where do i get the the twelve adventure plate designs? I saw a someone with Althyk background
Complete the shitty myths of the realm raid.
HR wants you to say what set belongs to who
Fending, maiming, and scouting
Aiming, Maiming, Sailing. Boom.
healing scouting casting
DRK mains are mentally unwell, do not respond to their walls of text.
Being a schizo is a prerequisite to being a DRK
Fray is real anon I will not gaslit into thinking otherwise
Take your meds and stop talking to corpses.
if he isn't real then who did I fight with in the ishgardian garrison huh?
You repeatedly punched yourself in the head while ranting about "dogshit fetch quests"
I literally only play this game to look at hot Au Ra girls.
Why are XIV threads so bad?
It’s like someone is spamming them with bots
>literal Black person slang from twitch is mainstream now
what?
i don't think there's ever been a period in Ganker's life where "literal Black person slang" wasn't used, jokingly or not. this is something newer migrants seem to have trouble with as they come over for Serious Discussions
hm, gy8 j- mi@?
Post your viper glamour ideas for me to steal.
I'm leaning towards using stuff from the bottom 2
bottom left fits the most imo
What's the bottom left?
one of the nier scouting sets
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/The_Tower_at_Paradigm%27s_Breach
I'll just make a cope THF glam
I'm Warrior main and here is my opinion on this job.
Fell Cleave is great 10/10. I want more Fell Cleave.
Thanks for reading.
WHEN WILL THEY SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT MOENBRYDAS DEATH HOLY SHIT.
She was alive for a few patches and died 3 expansions ago, not to mention how much of a forced character she was.
Please god let this be the last reminder of that boring roe dyke, I swear someone on the dev team has a crush on her.
Don't worry, Puddingway shows up to save that boring and unnecessary cutscene.
You will feel bad for Poochie
Well, they only killed like 3 people
It's always going to be Horchufont, Moonbreeda, and Shiva. I mean papalimo is dead but he is a male lala so SE doesn't care
Salad died, Minfilia died, Livia died, Zenos died, Yotsuyu died, Regula died, pope died, Graha died but got cloned, Yshtola died but they keep finding ways to bring her back, that mhigger resistant dude died, Raubahn's bro died, Gabu's parents died, Emet died, a lot of EW characters died, one dude blew his own brain out.
I'd say they do kill characters.
>Salad died
Who?
The sylph that joins the scions and gets roundkicked by Livia when she raids the walking sands.
oh yeah that scene made me laugh out loud
bad guys don't count
bad guys are made to die
the EW characters don't count as they were made to die
beast tribe characters don't count because they aren't people
Minfilia died but we got Ryne so no one cares.
They're not bad guys, Emet is like WoL's uncle at this point, pope was still Aymeric's father, Ilberd won and Stormblood teaches us he was right all along, and Yotsuyu is my wife!
>Minfilia died but we got Ryne so no one cares.
Thancredbros...
Emet died as a bad guy in ShB
the rest are still bad, but Ilberd did win and that's based
what mods do u guys use
Desperately clinging to the past
Wouldn't you need to be naked for that to work?
samegay
Yeah, and?
WoW does the diversity of tanking styles with both offensive and defensive kits quite well, actually. The biggest block is light vs. medium vs. heavy armor, which won't work with how ffxiv is designed.
WoW has more variety across all of its roles, and more types of gameplay, period. The drawback is that you don't get the <1% esports balance that FFXIV players think mmos need.
There's a lot of good that FFXIV could take from WOW. Just like the opposite is just as true.
MMOs as a whole are kinda in a bad spot in recent years. Why not try to help each other out instead of just "WOW bad, FFXIV good"
Because WoW is bad, and I like FFXIV.
WoW has some interesting class designs even if the game balance is horrible for some one them. Obviously its more about sustain damage rather than hard mitigation for one moment, but they can adapt some ideas and identities from that game and give it good twist on it in XIV (if they actually care about being creative).
You can't say that anon
There's too many cultists on both sides with so much sunk cost put into their game they refuse to acknowledge constructive criticism
Anyone who spergs out about taking inspiration from WoW is a moron because Yoshi-P has admitted in the past that is exactly what he has done. There is nothing wrong with borrowing good ideas from your competition.
>Yoshi-P has admitted in the past that is exactly what he has done.
FFXIV is the most blatant WoW clone ever created. You don't need YoshiP to tell you that.
This genre learns from itself and copies from each other all the time. Hell, when they were developing ARR, Yoshi told his devteam to go and look at what other MMOs were doing. He even famously told them to go play other popular MMOs at the time, including WoW.
This kneejerk WoW hate is ridiculous. And I don't even like WoW btw. It's obvious the devs are in a creative rut; they'd hella benefit from just stealing something that actually works from another game so we're not getting the same recycled crap for the next ten years.
I don't think Ishikawa understood Ilberd's character. I mean, how could she? He was written by a man, to be understood by men. He would go to the depths of hell to free his people, and he did, the only antagonist in XIV history to succeed. After all that, he'd have nothing more to say or offer were he still around, and simply fade away knowing he won.
And then here comes fujokawa, unable to understand sacrifice, so actually ilberd has been sitting around in the ethereal sea with papalymo conveniently right next to him, waiting for the WoL to visit because somehow both knew he would.
This entire dungeon was very stupid, why ilberd and the ritalin of all people? Livia maybe since she was a c**t, but not these 2
the whole thing should have been a callback to the EW content itself, with all the characters that recently died in torment of some sort you have an obvious structure to help resolve their suffering and could have Minfilia/Papalymo/Moenbryda's souls help guide them to the sea after you beat the shit out of them.
You should have had a section of EW garleans (the final boss being quintus cinna), a section of thavnair people who died without being turned (the final boss being an anguished Mehvan), and then the 3rd section you go much deeper into an amaurot final days section, with unresting ascians surrounding Hydaelyn (mirroring the situation around Zodiark's prison). Shit writes itself basically.
>with all the characters that recently died in torment of some sort you have an obvious structure to help resolve their suffering
Doesn't work because Meteion was kidnapping the souls so they couldn't reeincarnate. At most you might have had Quintus in there since he suicided before the Final Days started.
only the ones that turned into beasts, there were plenty of people who got crushed, eaten or killed in warfare. You could even make a point of this an have a Jullus' home part where his father was killed at the hands of the rest of the turned family and he's wondering where the rest of his family's souls are if you wanted to go very dark.
Him being down there and still angry felt so out of character. He literally got what he wanted.
Literally everything, even Garlemald was destroyed
I feel like it was literally a case of not knowing who else to put there. I mean, we don't have a whole lot of enemies who die actually hating us. Asahi is the most clear example, but he needed to be there at the end of the dungeon, not in between.
Vauthry.
Vauthry wouldn't be in that lifestream, he would be in the First's lifestream.
Then how come Emet and Elidibus were in our lifestream???
You'd know if you stopped skipping cutscenes. The reason was explicitly stated.
NTA they are from the source
Both Minfilia and Emet were moved to the Source's lifestream, Elidibus's soul got sucked into the Crystal Tower and was stuck there until it was used up to open the time travel gate.
Emet travelled there because he's fricking Hades. He's literally the council member that had powers over the Lifestream. It's why he was able to pull Y'shtola out by himself.
Elidibus didn't, when have you ever seen him in the lifestream?
Nidhogg
Thordan and the knights
The green roe loser
Lahabrea
Nabrieles
Nael
Teledji
Vauthry
>Nidhogg
His soul floated back up into the Dragonstar.
>Thordan + knights
Thordan without his powers is just a frail old man, and most of the knights were tempered and didn't actually hate us.
>The green roe loser
That's just a fricking joke.
>Lahabrea
Fricking insane and we didn't kill him, Thordan did.
>Nabrieles
Ehhh, could be I guess.
>Nael
Nael died more than 5 years ago, she's gone.
>Teledji
Also a fricking loser who would pose no threat.
>Vauthry
First's lifestream, not there.
>His soul floated back up into the Dragonstar.
Proof?
Asahi was a weak b***h alive and still managed to shit on Amon, original body didn't matter, only their hatred
>Proof?
His fricking soul flying off the planet when you finally exorcise him from Estinien in Final Steps of Faith?
Didn't go that high
Nidhogg accepts defeat in his final words.
>Grynehwat
>a joke
He's the best antagonist in SB, and it would been perfect for him to be in the Atiascope over any other candidate. Besides Amon anyways, who needed to be the final boss. Grynehwat's arc is basically that of Zenos, self-proclaimed rival obsessed with fighting you, and of course you never even think about them because they're nothing compared to you. Actually an underrated character.
Yotsuyu did that homie dirty
WE GO TOGETHER
livia and ritalin souls were horse shit
Ilberd should've been a boss instead of a mob shade
He didn't hate you that much, he just wanted to see if you were still sloppy or not.
>He didn't hate you that much
That motherfricker helped orchestrate the whole bloody banquet and even went the extra mile neither Teledji nor Lolorito wanted to go just for a chance at kill Raubahn and every Scion he could get his hands on, he absolutely did hate you that much.
any ilberd apologists are shitposters or insane people. man straight up went "OH, IF MY PEOPLE JUST DON'T GOT THE GUTS TO TAKE BACK THEIR HOME, THEN I'LL KILL EVERYONE AND DESTROY IT ALL" because lolorito dumped his moronic ass
I mean I like Ilberd, but I like him BECAUSE he was a complete extremist that decided literally nothing was a big enough price to pay for Ala Mhigo being free, even Ala Mhigo itself. Trying to pretend like he wasn't completely consumed by hatred is just missing the point of his character.
if there was one ilberd irl your people would no longer plague us
He wanted Loloritos money and when he wouldn't fund the Gyr Abania rebellion that's when Ilberd kidnapped Raubahn. It wasn't a vendetta against you, but he still disliked the scions being the GC lapdogs.
He did that because it was the only way the Eorzean Alliance and you would ever interfere with the imperial occupation of Gyr Abania. And he was right, brilliant minor antagonist. They just don't make them like Ilberd anymore.
I think class homogenization in MMO's moves like a pendulum because of player feedback and devs being moronic enough to listen to them.
WoW started with diverse classes, then homogenized them not to the extent of current XIV, but still, now it's moving towards diversity again.
XIV started with diverse jobs, homogenized them, hopefully they'll diversify again in the future
>hopefully they'll diversify again in the future
>72 ips
>361 replies
>some of these are people on their phones
All me
All me
Okay, I may or may not have watched the trailer one too many times, but I think I found a female Hrothgar in it.
At first, I wasn't sure if it was a Hrothgar or a Mamool Ja so I compared them and the Mamool Ja doesn't have ears, so I thought it might be a Miquo'te, but they don't have that ear shape and she stands almost as tall as the Mamoolja around her which is WAAY taller than a Miquo'te. So I think they either forgot to take it out or left it in thinking that no one would see it. What do you think?
It would seem that they went for a more demure/human look. It's softer like a house cat than a lioness, which I don't know what to think of it, but I think it looks ok?
The details are pretty hard to make out, but the general shape seems pretty clear to me. It still has a muzzle and resembles a feline, but it is smaller.
That's way too blurry to draw any definitive conclusions. Also if they gave Urianger facial surgery between one teaser and the next I wouldn't count too much on anything you see about femhroths.
You homies wasted the thread replying to copy pasted forum posts KEK
>6.0: Close in the Distance, Flow, Endwalker, WILD SHRIEKS
>6.1: In The Balance
>6.2: Scream
>6.3: Dedicated to Moonlight
>6.4: Athena The Tireless One
>6.5: *crickets*
wtf Soken? You can't blueball us in the last patch like that
7.0 better deliver...
Soken didn't do any of those patch songs.
Then replace Soken with whoever did do it, then
No worries, Soken basically doesn't even work on the game anymore. Daiki Ishikawa and Takafumi Imamura do most of the music now.
>Soken's interns doing all the xiv music
>still do a better job than the xvi ost
They put Soken on a leash for XVI for the muh cinematic high fantasy feel and it fricked it. Battle music is mostly kino though.
>battle music is mostly kino
oh you mean this
but remixed?
lmao @ sokengays
I mean this
>16 titan ost
you lost me
that shit sucks
Filtered
based shit enjoyer
It's good.
Overall it's shit but the boss songs are good.
how many 14 songs soken shamelessly used?
fate battle theme is there, so is 14 titan
he just remixed a lot of things
bahamut's fight and away are the only ones i enjoy
away being very similar to something out of heavensward
i think soken used to be very good pre-shb but since then it has all been remixes and one or 2 good songs
>used to be very good pre-shb
Just like everything else in the game.
>i think soken used to be very good pre-shb
you know why? because the motiffs for HW and SB were from uematsu
I love HW ost, that was peak Soken, but if you listen closely mos songs were arrangements of the HW theme
I think Soken is great when he can work with a good foundation, lett him alone and you get that pulse oblivion remix
>I love HW ost, that was peak Soken, but if you listen closely mos songs were arrangements of the HW theme
Uematsu did Dragonsong, the HW main theme was Soken.
it's uematsu, check the credits
Garuda's theme is also reused.
>shamelessly
Wait till DT connects XVI to XIV.
the cross over is coming before, they need to filll the void with events, also
all ff are connected already by dissidia and the rift and greg
xvi ost is shitty anon, even a femoid did better with 15
A lot of the 'dungeon' themes are fantastic though, and a few of the location themes are great like the area just outside that hidde crashed airship town.
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I'd post more examples but they still have 1/5 of the soundtrack under lock and key deleting videos that try to upload them.
that song is from ff14 tho as the other anon said
I do like that one and the Greatwood theme.
i prefer the original
*4/5ths of the soundtrack
>want to play this
>locked to the piece of shit no games station 5 that no one wants
It'll be on PC soon
I know I know, it should have been there from the start
what about the 1 year of epic exclusivity?
They already confirmed they're working on the actual complete edition for PC znd it'll come out with DLCs.
game is a 7/10 at best
you aren't missing anything
xv lost barry
Nah, I'm not Barry.
I've never played ff15 outside of an hour or so
stopped at the best part, game peaked with cindy
Your PC wouldn't be able to handle it.
The PS5 is just a 1060 with upscaling
I'm 2 generations ahead of that
What is my wife watching tonight?
Seinfeld
Highlander
Lewd Ryne videos.
I wish Hroth were removed from the game
Lalas after that
All the rest can stay
i wish they looked actually fierce instead of some degenerate furry's cuddwy wuddwy OC.
I just hate all beast/furry races
kill'em all
Fricking lmao back in SB threads, xiv threads was probably like 20% WoW trannies. Now xiv threads are 99% WoW trannies. Amazing.
Speaking of, I would like to present you, Princess Mira Avera, survivor of the Garlean rule. She is at the head of a campaign of rebuilding Bozja for her people. She was taken at an early age and put under brutal beatings and torture, one incident even leaving her with only 1 eye. She was cared for and taught by a few older Hrothgar who served under their previous queens. Now, with the liberation of Bozja and her newly found freedom from the Garlean oppression, she strives to make Bozja a home again for her people. Though lacking in experience she more than makes up for it in spirit! (This is one of my newest short characters, hope you enjoyed her! I am trying to keep myself busy and these short stories help a lot! ^^)
Stop not commending me.
so glossy
like a gunpla after you apply the top coat
the in-game model looks more real than her
also no
1. Mira and Branka are viable female Hrothgar names. and from what is shown you can already pick your female Hrothgar name, you can go into the Character creation, go either lost or helion and randomise surnames, and based on the name you get you can either choose to keep or remove the suffix "sch" or the prefix "a" and there you go. You can have that name for either clan cause fur colour has nothing to do with it.
2. A majority of the Lost are members of one of the 1 clan whose queen died and had that specific fur colour. Fur colour doesn't matter, you can be a blue Helion or an electric yellow Lost. The fur colour of the mother seems to be the main DNA passed down to her children.
3. All Hrothgar are kin, doesn't matter what status you are. Which we have seen in Bozja. :3
4. Females can choose to either not become queens or serve a queen. (Lesbians let's goo!!)
5. There doesn't seem to be an inverse Viera situation here, since, while rare, the females do seem to be there. The reason we do not see them seems to be because of the Bozjan incident rather than their birth rate. Aka they were casualties since we also see a smaller number of males as well.
6. The point about males being physically stronger is still there, which might mean that they will not be muscular, or they are strong in a different way like assassination. But that is me holding hope for some abs ;_;
7. Hrothgar's fluff seems to be good at insulating cold and it doesn't seem to be gender exclusive, so the females might get some fur patches like the males! I hope they will have similar designs while keeping in mind their more feminine body ^^
8. A majority of the Hrothgar we both met and will probably meet is of the Lost since Helions don't usually strike out on their own. But not impossible
I can't wait to be a female Hrothgar Helion, I am so happy!
SISTERS, OUR TIME IS NIGH!
>male Viera are never seen in the outside world, are extremely hostile to non-Viera, and are fiercely territorial
>female Hrothgar are extremely rare and are kept isolated away from any harm due to that
> actually 'fans' complained so never mind, there's actually millions of them, take your pick. :^)
At least male Miqo'te being all over weren't that lore breaking.
Hrothgar are so fricking lame
>We could have gotten lupin.
and they always are played by the biggest obnoxious homosexual baragays
I wanted to draw some possible hairstyles for Female Hrothgar. This is just speculation, but I found it fun and thought about sharing it! Feel free to add anything to these and make suggestions. The hairstyles are inspired by: Nordic women, Grece women, Cleopatra's hairstyle, some that I thought looked nice on the internet, some that have a tiara (to show a royalty status), the last 3 are inspired by both the female Ronso NPCs and a reimagined/simplified version of the gender-bend Khimari from FFX and of course a "bald" version as depicted in the Bozjan Murals.
Lots of Royalty / Princess Styles....I approve <3
More soul than the job will actually be given.
I made a quick drawing of a female Hrothgar sorceress with the main weapon being that of a Force master from Blade&Soul. And of course, I had to choose the yellow fur colour with the blush!
>the game needs more midcore conte-AAAACKKKKK!!!!!
Why do you gays all insist on covering your screen with that shit instead of just leaving it on a 2nd monitor?
What, are you playing at 720p?
anon, streamers got banned for modding because they don't know how to stream without overlays
why, how, in paghltan or gauntlet?
The thing that really bothers me about Hrothgar lore is that I want my character to be a Queen (she was a handmaiden before becoming an adventurer), but for that she has to be a Helion cause The Lost do not have Queens. But the Lost have the blue fur colour and all Queens and handmaidens are depicted blue, so now I don't know what to do...
I want my blue girl, but becoming Lost would mess with her backstory...
You will never be a queen
Just headcanon that she's a blue Helion, like Gunnhildr is. And like Minfilia and Lyse are Highlanders even though they're Midlanders.
I had a very weird dream today. I dreamed that I was at the fan fest, it was the opening of the show and the devs were coming to the stage, I could notice that Yoshi was wearing a T-shirt with that old Disney movie: "The Cheetah girls". I asked out loud if this meant that they were going to show Female Hrothgar by the end.
Well it did, they showed the new job (a caster that controlled crystals) and then they showed a trailer of them. They looked like a combination of the Queen from the art book and that art drawn by one of FFXIV artists. While it was not exactley what I wanted, I really liked the result. I will try to make a fan art depiction of what I saw.
Just to clarify: the body was exactley like that of the queen in the artbook and the head was just like the art (the white queen lioness one). And yes, ankle lenght tails!
I think this image really tempered my expectations. And showed me that I am way more open that I liked to think.
Don't respond to them
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Shoot to kill.
SIR YES SIR
I love Fumo Fumo Anon posts, your posts are always fun to read
Imagine wasting your evening and your life pasting one message board's posts into a thread on a completely different site for no reason other than to be a nuisance
At least it makes me feel better knowing I'm not that bad off.
sex with no condom
you don't want to impregnate Lyse anon your children will be the dumbest motherfrickers ever
i wish to smell her sweaty feet
bimbo sexo
I dont get it
The joke is GATO SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and also that everyone keeps drawing Meteor with highlander proportions, even the fricking trailers nowadays.
Me either because the WoL belongs to Alisaie and they would never lower themselves by sleeping with that cat hag
>WoL keeps getting older and older in trailers.
>While Alisaie just stays an eternal prepubescent teenager.
Tic toc Alisaiegays. We've already crossed into the point where absolutely nobody would look kindly on WoL having any sort of sexual relationship with her.
O COOOOM YE WAYWARD BROOOOTHERS,
BEREEEEFT OF HEARTH AND HOO-OOOOME
I don't dislike Soken, but I love seeing Soken dick riders claim to like a Soken song but he didn't make it.
Soken isn't bad but overrated and I'm pretty sure anyone could take his place with no drop in quality.
Soken it's on his way out, dude looks like a corpse with make up on, he literally only has 3 to 5 years more of life.
I don't think highly of Soken's work post SB. His SHB and EW stuff leaves a lot to be desired, and like you said, most of the time people don't even notice of he composed something or not.
Masayoshi Soken · Nobuo Uematsu · Takafumi Imamura
best rock song of SHB, its a remix from Imamura
big fat tacos is shit and iam tired of pretending it isnt
the only time big fat tacos worked is here
UWU may be a meme fight now, but I got goosebumps every single time I got to that phase
The mechanics were made to line up with the peaks in the music too holy FRICK it was hype
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Better video showing how the music lines up
agreed, people call it the easiest ult and shit on it but it is such a good fight, it's fun to reclear and way more fun to prog and reclear than ucob
>Annihilation phase begins
>Choir start chanting "WITNESS!"
>Suppression ends
>WITNESS
>ULTIMA
>Tank LB goes off
>DARKNESS COME
>REND THE SHIELD OF LIGHT
and it's right before that victory lap
god this fight GETS ME HARD MAKES ME GO ARMORCORD
Such a good theme, too bad it's stuck in such a meh fight
all good themes are in places casuals dont care, GOOD
let em eat that in the balance slop, that shit doesn't even sound like disney songs, where did they take this from?
in the balance was good, stfu
its pretty bland anon, your marvel disney brain just feels its good because its a fine arrangement technically, but it's mid at best, and it isn't even Soken KEK
stop projecting
>and it isn't even Soken KEK
So?
its still shit
and was done by a better composer
you monkey that doesn't know how to read
this is the point
i don't care who composes it
i like the song
cope and seethe
enjoy eating shit
>literal cuckposter
dont be transphobic anon, we're in 2023
Its OK. Weapons and Fiends music was pretty disappointing overall after ARR Primals, Triad, and Auspices got songs detailing their backgrounds or outlooks.
>look its that song you recognized but in C major 3/4 this time
Aiiieeeee. I guess Rubicante's music does have lyrics about the fields and golbez but I still can't get over it being done by Hayadin.
Soken became a meme, so you see all casual secondaries sucking him because updoots
ans since they're dumb they go feral if you point the bad aspects out, and they are validated by grifters at youtube who upload like "music producer reacts" while acting like this game ost is mozart's requiem or something
I think Soken is actually a genius when it comes to boss themes but he's pretty mid for atmospheric themes, hit or miss, I wish they would hire Hamauzu to take care of the areas and towns' themes.
Surely they'll let Mizuta make the Ally raid tunes, right?
Mizuta doesn't really make exciting battle themes.
>he doesn't know
I played SoP, I just think the battle themes he did are lacking compared to the other battle themes in the game. I think the best battle themes he's done are in XIII-2, he just doesn't really go for that style very often. He makes more subdued tracks which make for beautiful area BGMs.
this is the only good Mizuta battle track
if youtube music is wrong again and he didn't actually compose this im gonna hit someone
That's the one I was thinking of when I posted that. It actually sounds very similar to Fighters of the Crystal now that I think about it.
I hope so, XI's OST is so fricking good.
I unironically like the weirder style of songs and I wish they would go in that direction more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq4VeBSn0HA
me when labyrinthos day theme comes on
none of those are weird, i think those dissonant jazzes are the weirdest shit he made, ouside the dubstep liquid shit remixes
Same, anon. Feels much more Final fantasy.
I dont understand how someone could actually like To the Edge. Its such a shit remix.
Holy shit taste.
If this isn't the beast tribe theme I'm going to be extremely disappointed
I just want the 12 compass pentatonic 4/4 rock boss themes, with casual brass, is this asking too much?
yes because soken and yoship hate ff and its legacy
i mean, its not even hard to compose, why not do it instead of souless orchestraslop like 16?
>Sokenslop
>anonslop
I don't care for soken but I hate slop posters
this ultimate talk makes me want to try and give ults a try for once but i don't know if i'll ever get a group
Finding a group to raid with is the hardest part about raiding...
uwu is moron easy, like really easy, you can even get a clear right away if a 7 men premade decides to join and carry you
uwu is very easy compared to the others so start there if you're new
a lot of people always do uwu
some even join in alt jobs just make sure you get your prog points right and always push towards the next phase if you understand how the previous one works
it is the fastest ult i've done and it was my first, tea takes forever to fill
For me?
It's https://youtu.be/6DX3qIf4EDc?si=OZQrkWIb-DZX8Nfm
sex with Eula
>antislop sloppers
>uwu: actual remixes and they are even better than the originals
>every other ult: lole
>he's sperging out and spamming threads again
no u
kys lalahomosexual
kys (keep yourself safe) lalafriend