>Two day old tweet >2.2 million DAUs on day one
I remember this cycle with FFXVI as well. Sucks for ESL Xbox trannies. Back to TransboxEra and stay there.
Some of this cope is astounding. Imagine being moronic enough to say of something that should've been a one and done product to begin with >this one would've sold better if they put less effort/content into the first one
Some of the rationalizations basically make sense to me though. No more Covid lockdowns, the PS5 still not having a huge owner base yet, it being a direct sequel to a previous game. Do those add up to a >50% drop in sales? Who can say.
>get sony to fund it at the cost of far less sales
if I give you $10 to move your lemonade stand to the alley instead of on the street, is that a huge win? The sales they're missing from not having PC outweighs what they gained from the deal, this can be inferred from the coping and sweating square had when ff16 and now ff7r failed to meet the hype.
>game sells well >make lots of money >game doesn't sell well (but you get paid upfront) >make money but your future products make less money
the big exclusivity deals are not immutable, when it's no longer a good buy they'll stop getting them. If they've burned their brandname in the process of churning out contract obligations then the brand dies. Studios taking big but stupid deals makes sense if >they can get the initial flow + sell well (the publisher will convince them this is the outcome and it usually doesn't happen) >the product was going to be shit anyway and they got to fleece the publisher >your brand is strong enough to withstand some flops and you can save face later
you simply don't understand the situation and think deal is made = deal was smart 100% of the time
if they did fund most of the game, then it would've been a permanent exclusive
>hurrr durrrrr didn't happen! Sony got it exclusive for ten bucks!
Executives are on record stating that because of Sony they didn't have to worry about money for this trilogy AT ALL and could spend as much time developing it as they needed to and didn't need to rush even one aspect of it like they have to for other games.
If they didn't have to worry about money or rushing anything then why did they outsource so much shit to absolutely bottom of the barrel pajeets like Lakshya Digital?
I really think it’s this
for quite a while, people thought that ff7remake was an actual remake. Most normies don’t come to Ganker or gaming sites, they just saw it, were hyped because ff7 was a big game for them as a kid and bought it.
This game sounds more like a side game like crisis core. Also everyone is aware that it’s not a real remake.
I liked the first one except the ending being fricking stupid. Kinda sad about this game going to shit. We only get a proper square game like every 2 years (not counting square as a publisher).
Its truly grim. The industry is fricked. Gamers cant detect whats good and whats not. At the end of the day, it will be which game can be marketed better, not which game is better.
There are very few of those coming out now, very few people actually play a wide variety of things to begin with and certain individjuls have been trying to ruin games for people who like actual games for more than a decade now. What do you expect?
>just play the gachas or whatever I'm shilling!
No.
For people to be intelligent enough to tell the difference between something actually good or bad instead of hating everything just because they themselves are broken and will never actually like anything.
Horseshit. We're collectively happy that deceivers got their comeuppance.
If SE wanted to pull the rug out from everyone with a Reimagining instead of a Remake then you do it in the third fricking game in the trilogy instead of the first, because bamboozling people on 60-70 dollar purchase doesn't generally work more than once.
Want to know true comedy? If they told me outright it was going to be a reimagining instead of a remake I'd probably have bought both the games and been relatively okay with it. Instead they went the Black person route and lied and now hearing that their lying had consequences feels nice. There are many an instance of "Frick'em" used poorly or in the wrong but in this particular case it absolutely fits.
Gone Home has like an 89 anon. Stop embarrassing yourself.
It’s more amazing you’re still seething 4 years later.
>Oh that guy sold you something for 60 bucks but it wasn't actually what you paid for? >Get over it, you should go and trust him again and buy more product, he's a likeable guy!
You are utterly incomprehensible. If I sold you a 4090 when it was actually a 3090 you'd be upset right? Because as it stands right now you're telling me to not be upset about being tricked with an expensive purchase.
But if you had paid attention to the marketing of the game at all, you knew the game was not a one for one remake of the original. It’s called doing your research before you buy a product other than “Guy with big sword who I know is on the cover”. Do your parents still wipe your ass too? You played yourself.
Nta but >See a chair at IKEA >It's a remake of a chair you used to have 20 years ago >Same packaging and all as the original, just looking better >Oh cool, gonna buy that for my dinner table >Buy the chair >Bring the package home >It is missing two legs and the backrest >Also it's lime-green rather than brown >Wtf what is this shit? >"Lol didn't you watch the ads, maketing, and discussion online about it? Also back of the package reveals it's just part of the chair and rest will be coming in 8 years or so" >But this costs as much as the original chair... >"Lol so? Do your own research you fricking moron"
Also can do car example etc. without wheels or radio or backseats of classic Ferrari or shit. Anyway, you are giga baka
1 month ago
Anonymous
no game that is actually a remake is named "Remake", moron
1 month ago
Anonymous
Your analogy is terrible - chairs are meant to be sat in. You’re right for being dissatisfied with a chair that doesn’t even have the proper construction to be sat on. But Remake is a game, and games are meant to be played. Can you play Remake? Yes - in fact, millions of people have. Do you like the changes? Well that’s a different story.
All I’m saying is video games are an industry where it helps to know a little about the game before buying it. And not everyone is going to like every game that comes out - if it’s not for you, I get that. But doing the most minimal amount of research prior to buying the game (literally just Google the game) would have told you it’s not a 1 for 1 remake, and you would still have your 60 bucks.
>hide all the Kingdom Hearts shit in Remake until the launch trailer >people buy it >some are mad about the changes >newcomers have no clue what the frick is going on, lose interest >the only ones buying the Rebirth are redditors
Since the project's leadership don't like to accept blame and keep shifting when asked who's responsible, they should all be fired.
You guys always b***h about that yet it's massively overblown. Like they are literally too chickenshit to ACTUALLY make it different and hide the clusterfrick at the very very end of the games.
The only thing the overwhelming majority of FFVII fans wanted was a faithful recreation of the original. A change due to gameplay differences would have been received just fine, but most wanted teh same story beats with the same characters, and NOT another sequel. That is precisely why extended universe FFVII games sold progressively worse as time went on. That is why they stopped making them for years.
Who said anything about replacing it? REmake doesn't replace RE1, I play both and quite enjoy them. The difference is one respected the original and brought it into a new era with better graphics and updated gameplay, while the other was just yet another sequel with off-the-wall antics that were never present in the original.
Because sometimes a good older game deserves to flourish with better tech and game design precedent available. >analog movement would make control more intuitive and smooth >faithful 3D renderings/adaptations of iconic would help iconic locales come to life in a way that the original's pre-rendered setpieces can't, especially Midgar... the operative word being "faithful"
Trials of Mana was a good game already, but the Remake elevates it to an even better experience that respects its original. But you know this and are trying to get "gotcha"s to stick to own the mean nasty nerds who dared to say critical things about FF7R.
I remember when shills resorted to semantics like "well ackshually you wanted a remaster. remake means they remade the game." That did nothing but piss people off even more.
>Like they are literally too chickenshit to ACTUALLY make it different and hide the clusterfrick at the very very end of the games.
This isn't helping the case at all >People who wanted a remake got alt-timeline shit >People who wanted alt-timeline shit still gets railroaded to same direction but with more padding
My dad who played FF7 on PS1 back in the day was just confused and lost all interest after Remake. He said the combat and graphics was cool but that the story didn't make sense and was just plain confusing(he haven't watched Advent Children or other FF7 "expanded universe" stuff). Also was confused that the game ended after Midgar.
He hasn't played Rebirth, but he in general doesn't play vidya much these days. Just played Remake at his friend's place.
I played the demo and lost all interest when they showed Shinra blowing up their own reactor with robots. And that was well before all the time ghost shit became common knowledge. All they had to do was remake the fricking game so it's amusing watching it come back to bite them in the ass.
I think the moment when I knew things were pretty fricked was when they actually went down in the elevator. The dialogue was good, but the elevator was wildly pristine and sterile, when in the original everything was all Akira-style with wires and all dirty and shit. I thought it must have just been a one-off because the enemies were all on-point. Then I realized that is the entire game. The ONLY things that are done well are the character models and the enemy models. That's it.
Square still thinks it’s the late 90s/early 00 and they are a leader in graphical performance. This results in games being way too expensive and take too long for how much they actually make. They’ve burned all their goodwill and they’ve fallen behind the big companies. You are right anon in that it should have been one game, but Square had to be “cutting edge” which means way more detail then you could do in one game. You can’t make the same overworld the first had in the style of game they wanted to make. Square needs to reevaluate who they are in the current landscape.
>Square-Enix really beats SEGA in incompetence
not even close. Sega shit's "major franchises" can barely sell 1 million copies while launching on 5 platforms.
Well yeah it's set in Murrica and it's full of shit denigrating the main character and making jabs about sexism.
I've never been more put off by a Sega title and I actually enjoyed Like a Dragon more than most.
I really want to know who at square thought the "remake" should've been a pseudo sequel to the entire franchise as a whole by restarting and than fracturing timelines and have time ghosts
who are these remakes even for? Real fans want the original because it was awesome as it was. New fans don't like this shit obviously. Who is the audience for this trash?
yeah I love seeing everything rewritten and bloated to hell and back just so the characters can "be the same characters they always were"
That's a really high bar to settle for in the realm of final fantasy sequel media after all
>Rebirth flopped >XVI flopped >XIV lost all the Wowfugees and is barely above pre-exodus 2021 numbers now
Unironically how do you save Final Fantasy at this point? Everything is in decline
"Highly anticipated sequel" of a remake? Or are you talking about P6?
You do realize P5 by itself took 7 years to reach FFXVI's "gigantic first week flop" numbers?
Anon. Look at the visuals of P5 and look at the visuals of XVI.
Which one do you think cost more money to make?
The fact that P5 sold that much at all should paint a picture of just how much money Atlus made off of that game. SE didn't make jack shit off of XVI.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Immediately move goalposts to profits
P5's popularity is completely overblown by smash rosterfats and twittertrannies, I don't care how much fatlus makes because they're one of the most israeli devs in the eastern hemisphere
1 month ago
Anonymous
Profits and netgains are the ONLY thing that matter to a company anon
The sales number is the baseline and XVI by SE's own admission didn't even meet it. You are the one who is moving goalposts LMAO
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/08/square-enix-bafflingly-backtracks-on-final-fantasy-16-sales-blames-slow-ps5-adoption
1 month ago
Anonymous
Issue is that Sony already paid upfront for all the FF flops, why do you think Square's only statement regarding XVI's shit sales was "well there's not that many ps5s out there"? They already got their money
1 month ago
Anonymous
That's not quite how it works anon. Sony co-payed for the development and a bonus for exclusivity, but the game is still very frickin expensive to make and it needs to make a certain amount in order to turn a profit.
Considering persona 6 is gonna be another "high school harem simulator with chuunis fighting god and pretend to be deep", then i would say persona 6 is gonna embarrass itself.
your visual novel garbage is still in dev hell for 5 more years.
Even Metaphor lmao I bet that shit's gonna make way more money than anything SE releases this year combined
metaflop lost to shiren 6. Shatlus is so poor that they have to nickel and dime their cult members with day one dlc and cut content.
Profits and netgains are the ONLY thing that matter to a company anon
The sales number is the baseline and XVI by SE's own admission didn't even meet it. You are the one who is moving goalposts LMAO
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/08/square-enix-bafflingly-backtracks-on-final-fantasy-16-sales-blames-slow-ps5-adoption
now post shatlus profits. oh wait you can't because they are so poor
I don't think it's reputation can be saved as a brand anymore. 13 and 15 being dogshit, 7 remake not being an actual remake, 16 being mediocre... it's not a trend at this point
Didn’t 16 sell well and got good reviews? I thought it was dogshit and couldn’t even get through half of it with its terrible combat system, but I was under the impression everyone was sucking squares dick after it, including metacritic
You stop making so many Final Fantasy games so frequently and stop treating it like it's something you can use to suck money out of people. It's a big brand in the west but this isn't the PS1 and PS2 era anymore. People have been burned by XIII, XV, and FFVII:R now. The fans are there as evidenced by XIII's original sales figures but you just keep making awful decisions or stepping away from what makes Final Fantasy what it is.
Chocobo's Racing GP should have been such a simple thing to achieve. Why in the hell did it have a battle pass? Why did it have cosmetic microtransactions? This is what caused Crash Team Racing's remake to get panned. Just look at Mario Kart and its success. It has none of those, it just sells you new maps which come with additional characters and carts. How hard could it have been to follow that? You would have completely avoided the backlash for the insane prices and battle pass if you did that and it would still be a minor success today.
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remastered doesn't even have local co-op, something the original was entirely based around. Why would you do that when you already had to set up the system for online anyway?
Final Fantasy Dissidia NT is the complete antithesis to everything everyone liked about Dissidia. Why is it 3v3? Why is the RPG system gone? Why did they think this would be a success at all?
XV and XVI have moved away from the turn-based combat which has completely bit them in the ass as evidenced by Yakuza 8 and Persona getting bigger while their side games like Octopath Traveler show that people want turn-based. You have the ability to make these games turn-based, why are you so insistent on "appealing to the youth of today" and all that by making these pseudo action games where the RPG stuff barely matters at all?
It's like they don't see what people have been begging them for (A high fidelity turn-based FF game) and do everything but while constantly making poor decisions.
Shouldn't have locked it to piss5 like morons. Instead of perhaps not being morons they just released it on any/all platforms at the same time, they'd have made their money. Would have bought it day 1 on PC.
Ill be honest here,
why didn't they just replace the graphics, and use the same every thing else? Maybe improved game play, fine. Added items, events, etc, fine. But they made too many pack-peddling changes for me (personally) to care.
Remake was on PS4 and Rebirth is PS5 exclusive though, isn't it? A bit dishonest to compare those and pretend that variable doesn't exist. Why are sales and numbergays like this? Twitter screencap posts should illict a perma IP range ban
>SE says remaking VII as a single game is just impossible >divvy it into 3 parts >turn each part into some 60+ hour abomination of filler and padding
You know I'm beginning to think they were somewhat dishonest in that initial claim
Remake part 1 honestly isn't even that padded. But holy shit Rebirth is the MOST PADDED game I've EVER played in my fricking life. I am so glad I didn't buy it. I liked it, but holy fricking hell I have never felt so burnt out by tedious garbage in an RPG before
sucks for you, you are missing on a great game >most padded game >never bought it or played it lol
You are lying Black folk. I did every single intel in every region, every single sidequest, and capped out all minigame rewards barring a few tedious ones in the saucer. I also didn't do girugamesh and the bandit shit, but otherwise did everything in the game and clocked out at about 90 hours. Remake, doing LITERALLY EVERYTHING took me about 50-60. The chadley intel isn't all too bad because they're relatively close together usually, but gongaga and cosmo canyon are fricking terrible. The proto relic shit, especially the dumb cactuar shit, REEKS of padding (follow beam to statue, get to statue, watch meaningless cutscene, go back, do training course, more cutscenes).
And good fricking god don't get me started on the side quests. Look, the dog escort is cool and quirky, cissnei is cool, and basically everything else is fricking awful.
Rebirth is the SINGLE most padded video game I have ever played in my life. I'm not even saying it's a bad game you fricks. It's good (up until the ending), but oh my fricking god if you don't think it's padded you're moronic
Anon, the people you are replying to are nuSE fanboys who consider every release a masterpiece. They dont care about the FF franchise going back where it belongs, about the games being universally good and entertaining.
if they just axed the open world and kept the old world map, the game unironically would have been a masterpiece
The open world is probably the most boring one that I've ever played. I think I might have even liked XV's world more.
>not even that padded >turns a 2-3 hour section into an entire game with no new plot beats besides spoopy ghosts, alternate timeline nonsense and Sephiroth showing up early for no reason
>Sephiroth showing up early for no reason >this autism again
that "build-up" scene only works once, as he's one of the most famous vidya antagonists. He was always the voice in Cloud's head
>he's one of the most famous vydia antagonists
Nobody knows who the frick he is besides being a pretty boy with a long sword. He's not even like Darth Vader, where they know the spoiler about the relation between the antagonist or the main character.
>ESL
nobody going into Remake and Rebirth doesn't already know what Septhroth looks like, not a single fricking one
1 month ago
Anonymous
>going into remake
Plenty of people, as I've already said, know little more than "pretty boy with a long sword". >Rebirth
No one is even playing this shit
1 month ago
Anonymous
Black person, you still aren't comprehending what I said. What purpose does hiding his appearance serve when everyone knows what he L-O-O-K-S like?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Everyone knows how a great white shark looks like. Maybe you should talk to Spielberg about how he should have made Jaw differently.
No shit. My normalgay friends were hyped for the remake. The issue is it's not the full game just a part. I kept hearing the same reason why they're not buying rebirth.
It's not the full game. They're going to wait for all parts to be released and probably will be tuned up with modernized graphics.
Whoa you mean people don't want compilationshit full of uglified black gays exclusive to the PS5?
Say it ain't so. How could anyone ever have known beforehand?
When I thought about an expanded world of Final Fantasy VII for the remake, epic dance moves with Black folk and homosexuals where what I wanted most of all.
The FFVII experience is just incomplete without that. Who cares about some gay ass death scene or a memory sequence.
True.
Who wants to explore a cool world and Cosmo Canyon when instead of a western/native americans theme mixed with a bit of tech you can instead get gay blacks talking about having kids.
Truly the experience we all hoped for back in the day.
that's your problem they get memory holed so fast nowadays if your game is an exclusive. Spiderman 2 went and go, GoW ragnarok same, horizon only the devs remember about it
"People" talk about gacha games more because they don't actually play the fricking things you moron. They're AFK/auto-play gambling simulators. Helldivers is the #3 most played game on steam RIGHT this very second.
Well, if you wanna talk about games Steam users play, they sure have more in common with the live service gacha games than they do the single-player, cinematic JRPG.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>pc gayming >literally no goof exclusives >all those games that put ads in between their menus
1 month ago
Anonymous
when was stardew valley this high wtf what do people do in it
1 month ago
Anonymous
It just had an update
1 month ago
Anonymous
>wtf what do people do in it
That's the power of live service games. They just keep getting better as time goes on.
1 month ago
Anonymous
e-date
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Ganker Is jealous only PS5 owners can play the best game of the year again
You can tell pc is starving for games right now. Look at this shit
1 month ago
Anonymous
How come PS5 owners dont buy the game if its that good? Sounds like you're coping
1 month ago
Anonymous
>ps5 owners
I'll drop a little knowledge for you since you've undoubtedly seen the ff7 physical only Japan only sales used to "prove" it didn't sell well because switch games were ahead of it. There are 33.5 million switch owners in Japan. There are 3.5 million PS5 owners in Japan.
1 month ago
Anonymous
If the game was as good as shills claim it is they'd be buying PS5s en masse just to play it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>dude just buy a ps5 >sold out for 3 years straight
1 month ago
Anonymous
What third world country do you live in where that's true?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>check online store >they have hundreds of them in stock
1 month ago
Anonymous
You know the data in OP's pic is not only about japan right?
1 month ago
Anonymous
You speed read that and missed real data so that you could go back to the literal who on Twitter as a source with no numbers.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The PS5 is at 5.5 million in Japan. You wouldn't know it because nobody buys any games for it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Just checked again. We're both off but my number is closer.
Forspoken, Immortals of Aveum, The Diofield Chronicles, Starfield, Steet Fighter 6, Exoprimals, Wo Long, Mortal Kombat, Asassin's Creed Mirage, Atlas Fallen, and Wild Hearts were not exclusives either.
is selling half of remake really that abhorrently bad when the following things have changed
>no covid lockdown >70$ price >installbase is half of what ps4 was at that time >world economy is all kinds of fricked up
I really don't think rebirth is a moneysink for them, its just not the infinite money printer they hoped it to be
they've already said part 3 development has been going on for a while and they are recording voice lines next month for part 3
I don't think they are going to downscale the budget, especially not after finally getting the 90+ mc score they've been chasing for a decade
Considering they are starting part 3 with all these factors, no its not terrible. I would atleast expect them to drop the Sony money and just put this shit out on PC same day.
is half of what ps4 was at that time
There's 50 million PS5s out there. If you can't move more than a couple million copies on an install base of that size, that's on you. Another 50 or 100 or 200 million consoles wouldn't do shit.
NO FRICKING SHIT.
ITS A FRICKING SEQUEL TO ALL THE SPINOFFS THEYVE DONE IN 25 FRICKING YEARS. HOW DO YOU EXPECT NORMIES TO CARE AFTER REMAKE WHEN EVEN OG FANS WHO DIDNT CARE FOR THOSE SPINOFFS WHERE MAD, NEVERMIND THE TIMEJANNY FRICKERY.
And frick its not even the only thing FF7R is suffering from, the unpolished demo didnt help, its on one platform that sadly doesnt care much for JRPGs these days, and despite people saying otherwise, THERE WAS BARELY ANY POSTIVE WORD OF MOUTH.
>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND NAMELESS NPCS IN THE CORNER OF THE BAR REALLY MATTER
>what do you mean worldbuilding? >i'm here to ignore the world and gobble wieners
Reminder that FF was never for c**ts like you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>black people in ff7? This isn't accurate!
TGA is a popularity contest. Since nobody bought Rebirth, who do you think's gonna vote for it?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
1 month ago
Anonymous
lol Helldivers 2 is more likely to win but go off queen
1 month ago
Anonymous
Helldivers will win the yearly fortnite award. It's too broken to win best of the year. Same reason for DD2.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>implying journos are gonna vote for a multiplayer game
1 month ago
Anonymous
>black people in ff7? >why are they suddenly 95% of the population and they're all gay and ultra-ugly?
1 month ago
Anonymous
You are dramatic like a little schoolgirl
Gone Home has like an 89 anon. Stop embarrassing yourself.
[...] >Oh that guy sold you something for 60 bucks but it wasn't actually what you paid for? >Get over it, you should go and trust him again and buy more product, he's a likeable guy!
You are utterly incomprehensible. If I sold you a 4090 when it was actually a 3090 you'd be upset right? Because as it stands right now you're telling me to not be upset about being tricked with an expensive purchase.
>Can't even break 90
Dd2 territory
1 month ago
Anonymous
Why are the NPCs in these games so fricking out of place? All of them look like generic GTA pedestrians or something. The main cast looks like a bunch of cringe cosplayers on their way to a convention next to them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They're made by an indian outsourcing studio. See the credits here:
Correct.
[...]
You are a massive homosexual and shill.
Same reason there are pajeets shilling this game.
1 month ago
Anonymous
all the background NPCs were outsourced
1 month ago
Anonymous
They unironically think this is what Westerners like
we've sunken this fricking far
1 month ago
Anonymous
Correct.
[...]
You are a massive homosexual and shill.
>anon is unironically larping as that one guy who rings a bell whenever he sees something woke
imagine doing that for background npcs in a 50 hour RPG
1 month ago
Anonymous
>imagine caring about the world in a JRPG
Yeah imagine that.
What a massive tool you are.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>imagine caring about the world in a JRPG
When was ff7 a white man's paradise that you claim it was?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>what do you mean FF7 wasn't 99% black?
How about you try playing the actual game you underage c**t.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're relying on hyperbole for a claim you know isn't true.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lol your number is comically getting bigger and bigger but you didn't leave yourself any room for more full points.
Again play the actual game.
You clearly never have.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>NOOOO HITLER SAVE ME FF7 DOESNT HAVE Black folk I KNOW IM REMEMBERING RIGHT
1 month ago
Anonymous
>you don't want to see ugly indian-tier blacks going on about their homosexual lives everywhere when you're trying to explore the world? >LITERALLY HITLER
Have you ever considered suicide?
You should.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Are they Indians or are they black? Which mania is the one taking over your mind?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Are they Indians
Modeled by indians. Maybe you should try reading the thread.
empty statements don't mean anything if you can't prove your claim.
Remember this when you seethe later.
lol I take it actual FF games are too old for you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
attacking the poster and claiming they're underage instead of proving claims doesn't amount to anything.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>read my deranged rewritten history mania where ff7 has no black people
No.
Play FF7 or frick off.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Repeating yourself while not addressing your claim is meaningless.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>READ MY RAMBLING INCOHERENT FANFICTION
No.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>read my deranged rewritten history mania where ff7 has no black people
No.
1 month ago
Anonymous
if you can only repeat empty statements, then you really have no argument.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anyone whose played the original game can tell you know. It's not hard.
1 month ago
Anonymous
empty statements don't mean anything if you can't prove your claim.
Remember this when you seethe later.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lol your number is comically getting bigger and bigger but you didn't leave yourself any room for more full points.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I played UO before Rebirth, where background NPCs are sometimes cooler than the player characters.
That is puting love in the game. Not this abomination.
I remember reading that article praising the game for its inclusion of gay interracial couples and thought it had to be exaggeration, it was honestly insane how many there were ingame lol
Even worse, they moved locations at times so if you walked by you would hear "updates" on their love stories
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sells about half of what Remake sold in the same timeframe
Well yeah, the PS5 is a fricking joke. I look down on anyone who owns one.
>save the brand
Nah too ugly and black now.
The rep has been in the gutters for years outside of the MMOs which is a different audience.
It's "too old for young people", "why do the men look like hosts", "music is no longer that great", "why aren't they basing them on celebs anymore", "why is it so sci-fi", "action combat sucks and i'm too old for it" and so on.
Guess you can add "looks like it was made by indians who only make ugly black people" to the mix.
Duh. Now, explain why Tears of the Kingdom sold 20M copies and Spider-Man 2 sold 10M. No, wait. I'll just give you the answer: Their fans like their games.
It kind of sucks because I was hoping that after the remake trilogy was done and over with, that they would make a true sequel. A FF7-2, if you will. Even if it just followed a modified AC storyline, I don't care, I just wanted a sequel(and then hope someone makes a de-make of it in the original ff7 psx style)
Honestly
They needed to release them each one year apart to keep interest and discussion up. At least people would've tuned in but now many are just pessimistic
After the abomination that was Remake, it's hard to fathom anyone buying Rebirth
I feel so badly burned by Remake that I want to unbuy every FF game I've ever bought
Im not buying a fricking PS5 to play this shit, simple as. Only game that make me even consider a console is GTA6 and ill probably get the cheap as Series S.
I have more hope for Fantasian being a real FF sequel due to the people involved than i'll ever have for any FF going forward with this homosexual ameriblack stuff.
It should just come to a proper platform. Having to play it on Apple shit feels weird.
Yep. It already felt like a zombie IP at the end of the PS2 era and now it feels like someone is digging up parts of it to have homoerotic relations with it's corpse.
Kind of sad really.
>Cosmo canyon homosexuals
There are native american and other south american native tribes that still execute or ostracize gays because they are "against nature".
But ofc the new Cosmo Canyon is just your progressive green party and a bunch of dirty hippie homosexuals. How are these people a balance between tech and nature?
This Twitter post is a response to someone essentially saying "Gamers like breasts, it's why FF7 rebirth will sell so well"
Not saying FF7 Rebirth is selling well, but this guy has no clue what the tail of the sales will be, he made this response because he was upset that someone said guys want attractive girls in video games.
Also I did beat it and it was pretty good imo. You kids care about sales too much.
I like breasts. Tifa is hot. Aerith is cute.
Women being cute or hot at the expense of one of the most beloved, if not the most beloved, story in JRPG history is not worth it. And they censored Tifa. Multiple times.
>He was lurking a twitter conversation about 7rebirth being fanservicey is the reason it sold copies and had to chime in with "UM ACKSHULLY"
lol what a giant homosexual.
The 2nd part doing worse than the first makes sense, surely Square must have realized this before deciding to do a trilogy? I wonder if sales will spike after the 3rd game is out and they release a complete edition.
By then it'll be a 60hours game just to complete with tons of tedious slogs and fillers.
It turn off more people that the shit writings it already have.
Remake and Rebirth already clock in over 100 hours for an average playthrough. From what they are saying Part 3 sounds just as long as Rebirth, so we could be in the 170 hour neighborhood.
It's amazing how you homosexuals don't understand that to "remake" something is to simply; "make it again with the same basic core elements", it has nothing to do with your subjective opinion of where Nojima is taking the story.
>he forgot to reply
Those core elements of the story have remained unchanged, moron. You're still an ex-mercenary who joins an ego terrorist group and have to stop a mutated half-alien super soldier from destroying the world, you just don't like the additions that make the game's story stand as a piece of fiction of its own. What you wanted was a remaster not a remake, and now you're obsessed with crying about it online like a manchild rather than looking at it objectively.
Yes, if you move the goal post and exclude the 750,000 digital PS5s. And before you say people can't buy a physical copy of a game for the digital PS5, Rebirth obviously isn't selling well digitally.
>walk to Asscreed tower past endless LGBT NPC patter >activate it to undo a bit of map fog
This is the peak gameplay pushed by the people who said turn-based was bad and outdated?
>this is so much better than having an overworld!
Which is especially stupid because FFVII was one of the games that best made use of the overworld for storytelling and worldbuilding purposes, if not the actual best.
V is my favorite game in the franchise, it has metric tons of fun things to do and feel like an incredible adventure, but none of those things top VII's use of the Overworld. >seeing the skybox change as Meteor comes closer >seeing the Weapons going around on a rampage >the darkening of skies around Midgar
V did some cool things with the landmasses overlaying each other as the world fuses, but VII is still above it when it comes to using the overworld to convey to the player the sense of "well damn everything's fricked now"
Low install base
Middle entry
Controversial story changes
Off the charts padding (even the battles are padded, Stagger system = more padding than an asylum cell)
Boomer franchise
It's not just the low install base considering XVI seems to have outsold it given the fact that they actually announced numbers for that one
Genuinely, I have not played the game, I want to ask, what's so fun about waiting for a bar to fill so you can decide it's time to push all your big damage buttons with a +30% damage bonus like some kind of MMO burst window?
How does this beat regular boss fights that don't depend on some arbitrary "there, you can do damage now" loicense like you get in other action games like the DMCs and the Souls and the Kingdom Hearts and the literally anything elses of the world?
There's nothing fun about it. There's also nothing fun about using a big move to hurt it but the game decided that it hit the HP threshold for its big cinematic Hollywood attack and all the damage you just did with your big move went right down the drain because it's invincible during it
>Low install base
I'm done with this cope at this point. Switch's big exclusives were selling way better when the console was around the numbers the Ps5 is supposedly at right now. At some point people just have to admit there is something fundamentally wrong with this gen, which is showing in the sales. Spider Man 2 is genuinely the only game that can be said has sold truly well being Ps5 exclusive
Good thing part 1 made enough to cover the trilogy budget entirely and anything else is just a bonus. You maggots deserve the rotting carcass that is modern gaming, getting part 3 and dipping out entirely, have fun with the same 5 live service games completely taking over. Have the joy of it, dirty fricking Black folk.
>Sony pays for most if the cost of all 3 games >other games have to wait for sales to pay for their game >square could take as long as they wanted because money is already a victory for this trilogy >morons obsessed with sales that they have no numbers for that don't matter that won't affect it winning goty
Award season is gonna be good here. I'll be spamming pictures of Tifa holding trophies.
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sells about half of what Remake sold in the same timeframe
Neither game comes close to what the original sold.
People underestimate how popular the original FF7 was, and they also underestimate how far the series has fallen. It takes a colossal amount of moronation to turn a 18.5 million sale IP into a 2 million sale IP.
Yeah and a frickton of those were people like me who played the first one not knowing it was total bullshit. Which is why the second one is selling like shit
Funny how that worked for them. I don't know why Square thought releasing the blandest rip off of Splatoon wasn't a bad enough idea on its own, that they needed to release it a week apart from the only actual big expansion Splatoon 3's had.
Also didn't help with those live service prices on outfits that were going for almost the same price as a brand new game all they had to do was copy Splatoon with their own hook but that's too much to expect from a company who both fricked up Crystal Chronicles and Chocobo racing's remasters.
FF7R2 and DD2 showed the absolute death of Japanese game.
Japanese game used to be great and on par with Western game in 2017, but how can they get mogged by Korean and Chinese black ship like Lies of P, Stellar blade and Black myth wukong? What went wrong? Japanese game was rival with Western game since 2017. But how can Japanese game fall even worse than PS360WiiU era, despite Japan's economy is restoring? Korean and Chinese black ship's Jet stream attack mogs entire Japanese game Lies of P, Stellar Blade, Black myth wukong.
Japanese game had no award in last year. TGA 2023 was a funeral, not festival for Japanese games. While Mihoyo got 2.
To care about West, At least we Westerners still make good game like Helldivers 2, Avowed,Hi-fi rush, Diablo 4, Halo infinity, AoE4,STARFIELD,
Modern warfare 3,Sea of stars,
BG3,Mortal kombat 1,
Spiderman 2,Remnant 2, Helldivers 2.
Phil Fish was right. Japan has no where to stand in gaming.
What is left in Japan?
Anime? BA will be the AOTS so Korea dominates anime, which Chinese donghua like MDZS and Link click failed to.
Comic? Webtoon is better and SL is more popular than KnY,JJK,AoT,SxF in Japan.
Weebstuff? BA has 1800 comicket booths and the most pics in pixiv.
Entertainment? Johnny's was decimated by gay sex and Korea makes them better, Kpop, movie and drama.
Car? Electricity? Korea makes em better.
Sports? Son Heung Min beats all.
Porn? Banned from Japan by new law on AV.
Japan is nothing. But vassal state of Korea and China.
Area 11 of Korea and China just like Code geass.
Japanese games are dead. The time is for China,Korea and West.
What i wanna ask is, Japanese game used to be great in 2017-20 but how can they fall so soon and get mogged easily by Mihoyo,Lies of P,Stellar blade and helldivers 2? No award for Jap game this year in TGA.
But blACK ship fleet from Korea and China's jet stream attACK of Lies of P, Stellar blade and blACK myth Wukong will decimate Jap games completely. Nowhere to stand in gaming for Japs. As Tomino concerned, Go woke go broke, Jjokpari. .
Shut up. Tomino's concern was right.
Jap anime and games gets fricked up by feminism and LGBT, not only working condition and China and Korea will take over, for China and Korea never gets woke. they have no LGBT. No ESG. They never kneel to feminsits.
Tomino is Anti-Woke as well as anti-war.
I almost bought remake because I haven’t played ff7, but then I found out the title is misleading and it’s not a fricking remake and it’s some fanfic bullshit instead. I’d imagine a lot of people were misled and thus didn’t buy the second game
Your thinking of a remaster which is the same game but slightly better visuals and maybe some qol changes. A remake is a compete rebuild under different circumstances, which is obvious for a ps1 game going to ps5.
Wait.... you thought it was a 1 for 1 remake after seeing it didn't have ps1 graphics? Jesus christ.
In this franchise alone. Final Fantasy Origins, Final Fantasy I & II Advance, Final Fantasy III DS, Final Fantasy IV DS, Final Fantasy V & VI Advance. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together, Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions. >those are remasters!
The idea of "remaster" has existed for maybe at most 10 to 15 years or so, and it exists for the sake of a dev justifying a high resolution texture pack on a game and selling it again, see Fable I. So no wonder all the 12 year olds in this place think that it's somehow how things always have been.
"Remakes don't have to have anything to do with the original, actually!" is homosexualry that has birthed BY Square apologists trying to paint a target around the arrow Square has shot with these games.
Imagine letting a Kigdom Hearts-style Nomura word frickery for marketing purposes redefine your complete understanding of reality rather than simply knowing what is true and what isn't.
Maybe Rebirth shouldn't be appealing to graphicgays.
1 month ago
Anonymous
someone has to push boundaries sure as frick isn't ever going to be Nintendo
1 month ago
Anonymous
>someone has to push boundaries
Why?
1 month ago
Anonymous
rdr2 made better volumetric clouds that you only see for one mission, this isn't impressive
1 month ago
Anonymous
Probably best to leave graphics to Western developers. JPs should just stop.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>someone has to push boundaries
Push boundaries at the expense of being incapable of remaking a 1997 game into a single game because "the world is too big"? Really?
Do you get how depressing that even is for any other future game of the franchise "pushing boundaries"?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Rebirth took me 140 hours to complete, it's safe to say that trying to make all of this into one game would not have been possible
1 month ago
Anonymous
they would have had to do a genuine 1:1 with very little expansion
and how would you make entire dungeons and towns 2-3 screens in 3D
pro tip: you can't
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Rebirth took me 140 hours to complete
Because it's padded. Cut irrelevant shit out.
140 hours is enough to finish the entire PS1 FF catalog. That's five games.
1 month ago
Anonymous
padded with quality and sovl
1 month ago
Anonymous
It's not going to be squeenix outsourcing shit to pajeets either.
1 month ago
Anonymous
yeah man those generic NPCs really tanked the entire experience
>pretty much every single Japanese IP is selling more now that they are going multiplatform >but since some multiplatform still performs poorly, it means this has no correlation with success
3rd party exclusivity is fricking moronic and Square will continue to bomb
>pretty much every single Japanese IP is selling more now that they are going multiplatform
Incorrect.
1 month ago
Anonymous
MH Rise started AS switch exclusive and sold 7m copies
Then came on PC and consoles and doubled the sales
1 month ago
Anonymous
So, you're telling me that MH Rise sold the most on the Switch?
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, I'm saying that without multiplatform they would have lost half the sales
1 month ago
Anonymous
But it sounds like they made the right choice making it a timed exclusive for the Switch, since that's where it sold the best.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Clearly not since the next game releases everywhere day one and even SB was not a timed exclusive anymore
1 month ago
Anonymous
You telling me Capcom regrets giving MH Rise as a time exclusive to Nintendo?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The game would have sold more being day one on all systems, so yeah
1 month ago
Anonymous
Explains why Capcom gave little to no shit with content on Rise they probably hoped it'd flop on Switch and when that didn't happen they decided to treat it like the red headed step child.
They fricking knew FF trilogies don't sell, they had a reference in the form of FFXIII and now they do it again EXCEPT now the parts are split between two different consoles. Rebirth not being available on the PS4 is a baffling decision, insane even. Did this Sony deal force them to keep it PS5-only?
>They fricking knew FF trilogies don't sell
Some moron had the grandiose idea of the midgar section as a standalone game and Square is now filled with nothing but yes men.
When the Gooch was still working in Square, they bounced ideas, often went back in stupid decisions, toned things down, split excessive ideas into different games (FFVII had so much shit that these elements would end up in Parasite Eve, Xenogears, FFVII and FFVIII).Plus the rule of "no sequels" made each game more complete, as they had to put everything to make the story cohesive in that one single game. They had one chance at making it right, no retconning or expanding convoluted shit at a later date.
It was just a better environment to make good games.
SE could release the sales data and put all this nonsense to an end, but they won't do it for some reason. I don't understand.
Why were they so comfortable announcing 3 million sales for FFXVI, but are being tight lipped about Rebirth? There is no way this sold under 3 million, right?
I'm not disputing there are half as many consoles, I'm disputing your notion that if the consoles doubled the sales of this game would as well. Do you think that's true of the entire library? That's ridiculous
Why is your response to "Few people played the second game after playing the first" "Well then why did so many more play the first?"? I'm genuinely confused. I'm one of the people that played later, I thought it fricking sucked, and I didn't play the second.
>Well then why did so many more play the first
Correct. After the initial launch and everyone knowing what the game actually was, why did it continue to sell? Why are the reviews so high?
Are you claiming you speak for everyone?
>Correct. After the initial launch and everyone knowing what the game actually was, why did it continue to sell? Why are the reviews so high?
Because everyone wanted to see what it was like? The frick? Tons of shit games have sold like hotcakes are you high?
>Are you claiming you speak for everyone?
I'm offering a pretty easy conclusion to come to, one fanboys seem to be pretty desperate to avoid.
People don't understand that exclusivity deals over the years don't only affect short term sales, but the long term reputation of the franchise. If a lot of people start skipping some titles, they still get less and less interested in the series. Plus you miss out on a lot of new fans.
Souls and MH have reached an audience on pretty much every platform, so from now on they will keep selling gangbusters everywhere. Meanwhile at this point FF only has a fan base on PS, and now that those are starting to leave too, they have nowhere to go.
This guy is quoting an article from Push Up, which cited analysis from Ampere Analysis. The analysis mentioned that FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players on its first day. We already knew that FF7 Remake sold 5 million copies in a month. link: https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-shipments-sales
Breaking down the analysis, we find:
>FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players in just one day. >It's likely that more than 5 million copies have been sold by now, after a month. >Stellar Blade is predicted to have 4 million players on its first day. >Within a month, Stellar Blade might reach 10 million units sold.
Louis Woldridge has spoken.
We won. Final Fantasy won. Nomura won. Stellar Blade won. Shift Up won. Gamers won.
I dont care. Anybody with two braincells can tell this is a long term investment. PC gamers will eat it up. Part 3 will come out and theyll be able to sell collectors bundles, PS6 next-gen versions, remake Dirge of Cerebus, rerelease Advent Children for the umpteenth time. Its already been boosting the shit out of the original game. FF7 has always been a money printing machine and will continue to do so for the better part of the next decade.
This guy is quoting an article from Push Up, which cited analysis from Ampere Analysis. The analysis mentioned that FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players on its first day. We already knew that FF7 Remake sold 5 million copies in a month. link: https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-shipments-sales
Breaking down the analysis, we find:
>FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players in just one day. >It's likely that more than 5 million copies have been sold by now, after a month. >Stellar Blade is predicted to have 4 million players on its first day. >Within a month, Stellar Blade might reach 10 million units sold.
Louis Woldridge has spoken.
We won. Final Fantasy won. Nomura won. Stellar Blade won. Shift Up won. Gamers won.
Can you read? Because I just explained why that doesnt matter. It still sells and in time it will be considered a masterpiece and continue selling. Besides, its been what, a month since release. Normies arent buying games like this on launch.
>P3 Reload, Relink, DD2, Unicorn Overlord, Like a Dragon and Pal World all do well >Rebirth flops
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mat Piscatella, the Video Game Industry Analyst and Executive Director at Circana has spoken:
>he believes FF7 Rebirth is doing great >Rebirth had two versions of the game charted among the top-selling games in February, despite being out only for a day.
Louis Woldwridge and Mat Piscatella are in agreement.
fine. i'll post the proof that tekken 8 with it's proudly announced 2 million sales has btfo stillbirth. >but muh only 3 days
almost all of it's sales are counted from preorders/day 1 sales. 91% drop by day 2.
>Tekken 8 released on January 26, 2024
Bro are you confused? Of course, it ranked higher on year-to-date chart on the right as it has a two-month head start compared to Rebirth, which was only out for a day at the time.
Tekken 8 announced its 2 million sales on 26th February, rebirth hasnt even out by then
Tekken is probably going to sell better in the long run tho
that's not the point. the point is ytd rebirth is below ytd tekken.
it doesn't matter how long tekken 8 has been out. we know it sold at least 2m and we know rebirth is below it, so we know rebirth sold less than 2m.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That is the whole point though, you're comparing 1 month tekken sales to rebirth even though by the time rebirth hasnt come out yet
1 month ago
Anonymous
1IQ. FF7Rebirth sold less in the same ammount of time. Therefore below 2M
1 month ago
Anonymous
>In the same amount of time >2 months vs 1 day
Schizo bro...
1 month ago
Anonymous
it isn't about tekken vs rebirth.
2m sales for tekken in known quantity.
rebirth isn't above tekken.
rebirth sales < tekken sales.
rebirth < 2m.
1 month ago
Anonymous
do you ever evaluate games on their gameplay or is it all autistic numbers for you
1 month ago
Anonymous
then the only game worth playing would be dwarf fortress
You have to realize something, Ganker is too stupid to understand shit like profit margins and budgets. They think that Square Enix was stupid to call games like Tomb Raider a failure when the reality is they spent so much money marketing the game and developing it that even with the massive amount of copies sold it didnt make any amount of money near worth while. Games like Rebirth need to sell well over 5 million to have any prayer of being worth it
i'm sure you will post a source anytime soon
>he's not a source when he's saying things I don't like
Should have released it on more platforms, snoybros were not prepared that their console gets a game.
PC here, I can emulate the original game with Reunion mods and script. I don't want the Demake.
>Two day old tweet
>2.2 million DAUs on day one
I remember this cycle with FFXVI as well. Sucks for ESL Xbox trannies. Back to TransboxEra and stay there.
Reading this troony era thread while eating dinner is pure delight. The cope is amazing.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/daniel-ahmad-zhugeex-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-is-underperforming-sales-wise-selling-about-half-of-what-remake-sold-in-the-same-timeframe.843192/
I remember some mod closing some zelda threads to avoid drama kek
Some of this cope is astounding. Imagine being moronic enough to say of something that should've been a one and done product to begin with
>this one would've sold better if they put less effort/content into the first one
Some of the rationalizations basically make sense to me though. No more Covid lockdowns, the PS5 still not having a huge owner base yet, it being a direct sequel to a previous game. Do those add up to a >50% drop in sales? Who can say.
the one favela monkey I have no quarrel with
>you fricked yourselves over by getting someone else to fund most of it!
>get sony to fund it at the cost of far less sales
if I give you $10 to move your lemonade stand to the alley instead of on the street, is that a huge win? The sales they're missing from not having PC outweighs what they gained from the deal, this can be inferred from the coping and sweating square had when ff16 and now ff7r failed to meet the hype.
I know money is hard for you, but I'll put it in third grade terms for ya. Alot of money now is always MUCH better than a lot money later.
>game sells well
>make lots of money
>game doesn't sell well (but you get paid upfront)
>make money but your future products make less money
the big exclusivity deals are not immutable, when it's no longer a good buy they'll stop getting them. If they've burned their brandname in the process of churning out contract obligations then the brand dies. Studios taking big but stupid deals makes sense if
>they can get the initial flow + sell well (the publisher will convince them this is the outcome and it usually doesn't happen)
>the product was going to be shit anyway and they got to fleece the publisher
>your brand is strong enough to withstand some flops and you can save face later
you simply don't understand the situation and think deal is made = deal was smart 100% of the time
Fricking moron
>always
So between a grand today and a billion next month you'd choose the former, then? moronic Black person.
They didn't "fund" most of it lmao, that's not how these exclusivity deals work.
>hurrr durrrrr didn't happen! Sony got it exclusive for ten bucks!
Executives are on record stating that because of Sony they didn't have to worry about money for this trilogy AT ALL and could spend as much time developing it as they needed to and didn't need to rush even one aspect of it like they have to for other games.
If they didn't have to worry about money or rushing anything then why did they outsource so much shit to absolutely bottom of the barrel pajeets like Lakshya Digital?
if they did fund most of the game, then it would've been a permanent exclusive
Why do the trannoids love final fantasy so much? I would've thought they'd find it problematic or something.
They like the recent one because it has more Blacks in it
should have released it during another plandemic.
People were fooled the first time, not now
I really think it’s this
for quite a while, people thought that ff7remake was an actual remake. Most normies don’t come to Ganker or gaming sites, they just saw it, were hyped because ff7 was a big game for them as a kid and bought it.
This game sounds more like a side game like crisis core. Also everyone is aware that it’s not a real remake.
I liked the first one except the ending being fricking stupid. Kinda sad about this game going to shit. We only get a proper square game like every 2 years (not counting square as a publisher).
>for quite a while, people thought that ff7remake was an actual remake.
All you need is working eyes to see its not a ps1 game
Snoys don't buy games
Microsoft disagrees, which is why they're porting their games to PS5.
There are half the consoles and it's a sequel, so it should be expected.
>Dragon's Dogma 2 has sold as well as Final Fantasy 7
Grim
Its truly grim. The industry is fricked. Gamers cant detect whats good and whats not. At the end of the day, it will be which game can be marketed better, not which game is better.
Everyone's preordering Stellar Blade so I would say the industry and gamers are just fine.
FFVIIR was marketed extensively. It didn't sell well because the first title let everyone know what the second would be
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DD2 is a much better than rebirth tho
I'm playing DD2fps rn and I'm having a BLAST
2.5 million sales, it handily beat Rebirth
But Rebirth is over 6 million right now
Having played neither, I'm guessing they're about as mediocre as each other, so seems fitting.
Rebirth is a great game
/ v/ is more happy about seeing games fail, than to see or play any good games at all.
Yes I am, it's a great feeling.
And we're gonna be seeing it more and more now that we're in a global recession.
What made you into such a broken person?
Society
Think about the shareholders
There are very few of those coming out now, very few people actually play a wide variety of things to begin with and certain individjuls have been trying to ruin games for people who like actual games for more than a decade now. What do you expect?
>just play the gachas or whatever I'm shilling!
No.
For people to be intelligent enough to tell the difference between something actually good or bad instead of hating everything just because they themselves are broken and will never actually like anything.
Horseshit. We're collectively happy that deceivers got their comeuppance.
If SE wanted to pull the rug out from everyone with a Reimagining instead of a Remake then you do it in the third fricking game in the trilogy instead of the first, because bamboozling people on 60-70 dollar purchase doesn't generally work more than once.
Want to know true comedy? If they told me outright it was going to be a reimagining instead of a remake I'd probably have bought both the games and been relatively okay with it. Instead they went the Black person route and lied and now hearing that their lying had consequences feels nice. There are many an instance of "Frick'em" used poorly or in the wrong but in this particular case it absolutely fits.
Frick'em, they get what they deserve.
>they get what they deserve
>your goty, sir.
TGA is a popularity contest. Since nobody bought Rebirth, who do you think's gonna vote for it?
Gone Home has like an 89 anon. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>Oh that guy sold you something for 60 bucks but it wasn't actually what you paid for?
>Get over it, you should go and trust him again and buy more product, he's a likeable guy!
You are utterly incomprehensible. If I sold you a 4090 when it was actually a 3090 you'd be upset right? Because as it stands right now you're telling me to not be upset about being tricked with an expensive purchase.
But if you had paid attention to the marketing of the game at all, you knew the game was not a one for one remake of the original. It’s called doing your research before you buy a product other than “Guy with big sword who I know is on the cover”. Do your parents still wipe your ass too? You played yourself.
I've seen some fricking lazy trolling in my time but you're pushing into the top 20 at least anon.
The frick out of here with that trash.
Nta but
>See a chair at IKEA
>It's a remake of a chair you used to have 20 years ago
>Same packaging and all as the original, just looking better
>Oh cool, gonna buy that for my dinner table
>Buy the chair
>Bring the package home
>It is missing two legs and the backrest
>Also it's lime-green rather than brown
>Wtf what is this shit?
>"Lol didn't you watch the ads, maketing, and discussion online about it? Also back of the package reveals it's just part of the chair and rest will be coming in 8 years or so"
>But this costs as much as the original chair...
>"Lol so? Do your own research you fricking moron"
Also can do car example etc. without wheels or radio or backseats of classic Ferrari or shit. Anyway, you are giga baka
no game that is actually a remake is named "Remake", moron
Your analogy is terrible - chairs are meant to be sat in. You’re right for being dissatisfied with a chair that doesn’t even have the proper construction to be sat on. But Remake is a game, and games are meant to be played. Can you play Remake? Yes - in fact, millions of people have. Do you like the changes? Well that’s a different story.
All I’m saying is video games are an industry where it helps to know a little about the game before buying it. And not everyone is going to like every game that comes out - if it’s not for you, I get that. But doing the most minimal amount of research prior to buying the game (literally just Google the game) would have told you it’s not a 1 for 1 remake, and you would still have your 60 bucks.
It’s more amazing you’re still seething 4 years later.
>shit game sold like shit
>not worth celebrating
games that have the funding to be great but fall to greedy out of touch boomers, yes
This game should fail. The entire trilogy is a mockery to the original game.
>hide all the Kingdom Hearts shit in Remake until the launch trailer
>people buy it
>some are mad about the changes
>newcomers have no clue what the frick is going on, lose interest
>the only ones buying the Rebirth are redditors
Since the project's leadership don't like to accept blame and keep shifting when asked who's responsible, they should all be fired.
You guys always b***h about that yet it's massively overblown. Like they are literally too chickenshit to ACTUALLY make it different and hide the clusterfrick at the very very end of the games.
>it's massively overblown
no it's not. I'm so sick of AC shit.
The only thing the overwhelming majority of FFVII fans wanted was a faithful recreation of the original. A change due to gameplay differences would have been received just fine, but most wanted teh same story beats with the same characters, and NOT another sequel. That is precisely why extended universe FFVII games sold progressively worse as time went on. That is why they stopped making them for years.
So what fans wanted was a replacement. Why would you want to replace something that’s already good?
the graphics are too clunky for zoomers, and they're too tech-incompetent to mod the PC ports
>the people who begged for remake were zoomers
anon..
Who said anything about replacing it? REmake doesn't replace RE1, I play both and quite enjoy them. The difference is one respected the original and brought it into a new era with better graphics and updated gameplay, while the other was just yet another sequel with off-the-wall antics that were never present in the original.
Because sometimes a good older game deserves to flourish with better tech and game design precedent available.
>analog movement would make control more intuitive and smooth
>faithful 3D renderings/adaptations of iconic would help iconic locales come to life in a way that the original's pre-rendered setpieces can't, especially Midgar... the operative word being "faithful"
Trials of Mana was a good game already, but the Remake elevates it to an even better experience that respects its original. But you know this and are trying to get "gotcha"s to stick to own the mean nasty nerds who dared to say critical things about FF7R.
I remember when shills resorted to semantics like "well ackshually you wanted a remaster. remake means they remade the game." That did nothing but piss people off even more.
>Like they are literally too chickenshit to ACTUALLY make it different and hide the clusterfrick at the very very end of the games.
This isn't helping the case at all
>People who wanted a remake got alt-timeline shit
>People who wanted alt-timeline shit still gets railroaded to same direction but with more padding
My dad who played FF7 on PS1 back in the day was just confused and lost all interest after Remake. He said the combat and graphics was cool but that the story didn't make sense and was just plain confusing(he haven't watched Advent Children or other FF7 "expanded universe" stuff). Also was confused that the game ended after Midgar.
He hasn't played Rebirth, but he in general doesn't play vidya much these days. Just played Remake at his friend's place.
I played the demo and lost all interest when they showed Shinra blowing up their own reactor with robots. And that was well before all the time ghost shit became common knowledge. All they had to do was remake the fricking game so it's amusing watching it come back to bite them in the ass.
I think the moment when I knew things were pretty fricked was when they actually went down in the elevator. The dialogue was good, but the elevator was wildly pristine and sterile, when in the original everything was all Akira-style with wires and all dirty and shit. I thought it must have just been a one-off because the enemies were all on-point. Then I realized that is the entire game. The ONLY things that are done well are the character models and the enemy models. That's it.
What a fricking shame.
They should had just made one game.
Square-Enix really beats SEGA in incompetence.
It's more greed than incompetence.
Square still thinks it’s the late 90s/early 00 and they are a leader in graphical performance. This results in games being way too expensive and take too long for how much they actually make. They’ve burned all their goodwill and they’ve fallen behind the big companies. You are right anon in that it should have been one game, but Square had to be “cutting edge” which means way more detail then you could do in one game. You can’t make the same overworld the first had in the style of game they wanted to make. Square needs to reevaluate who they are in the current landscape.
>Square-Enix really beats SEGA in incompetence
not even close. Sega shit's "major franchises" can barely sell 1 million copies while launching on 5 platforms.
Sega has doubled their total Yakuza sales in the timespan since Y6 launched.
they spent hundreds of millions on marketing for this garbage and still could barely sell 1 million copies while launching on PS4
Well yeah it's set in Murrica and it's full of shit denigrating the main character and making jabs about sexism.
I've never been more put off by a Sega title and I actually enjoyed Like a Dragon more than most.
Old Sega arcades being converted into daycare centers for Gundam players isn't a gotcha, anon.
wasn't it actually supposed to be in much more parts before they shortened it
also the fricks with games going in parts, Deltarun is also doing that
I really want to know who at square thought the "remake" should've been a pseudo sequel to the entire franchise as a whole by restarting and than fracturing timelines and have time ghosts
>they should all be fired
should be the case for all major studios.. boomers need to retire and let the younger generations take over
Should've made a switch version and gone full Clerith.
Good.
Sad part is the only lesson square will learn from this is getting another paycheck for EGS pc release.
Good
FFcucks deserve to lose
Remake was a better game.
who are these remakes even for? Real fans want the original because it was awesome as it was. New fans don't like this shit obviously. Who is the audience for this trash?
manchildren and FF7 fans excited to play FF7 for the first time.
>Real fans want the original because it was awesome as it was.
i guess those real fans dont play any other game just because it isnt ff7
The main group of people who would want a remake are those who liked the original. Going off script is not desired.
Whether they play another game in the series has nothing to do with it because you are talking about one single game and it's "remake".
me
The audience is the people who love the Compilation and want more of it.
Advent Children and Crisis Core at least had soul, especially the latter.
>defending AC and CC
at least VIIR has the cast act in character
And no soul, just slop.
>15+ years of pure maiden Aerith and emo Cloud
AC and CC had negative soul
yeah I love seeing everything rewritten and bloated to hell and back just so the characters can "be the same characters they always were"
That's a really high bar to settle for in the realm of final fantasy sequel media after all
Two flops
CC is just some babies first "final fantasy"
FF was ALWAYS kingdom hearts!
Anyway here's my 12 hour lore breakdown video explaining how the seven alternate dimensions in FFVIIR work.
>Kekarooo
How did /dbs/ manage to influence this website so much?
Before the PC Release and PS+ bullshit remake was already doing worse than any FF since PS1 (barring FF16 lol).
Rebirth is basically back to pre-PS1 level except with a humongous development team and sub studios, instead of a handful of guys in on office.
>Rebirth flopped
>XVI flopped
>XIV lost all the Wowfugees and is barely above pre-exodus 2021 numbers now
Unironically how do you save Final Fantasy at this point? Everything is in decline
do something fresh not fantasy shit #33847 like 16 was
>PERSONA 6 is about to embarrass Rebirth next year.
Lmao
Even Metaphor lmao I bet that shit's gonna make way more money than anything SE releases this year combined
Dawntrail has to sell well otherwise Squeenix is fricked unironically kek
They're about to file for bankruptcy
Two more weeks! Trust the plan!
And what does Dawntrail bring to the table?
Oh right a beach episode lmao yeap I'm sure SE is gonna be just fine
P3 hasn't broken 2m sales
SE might be shitting themselves and dying but fatlus still isn't even close to them
>next year
lol also P3R only sold 1M as a multiplat
Remake vs a highly anticipated sequel. Cmon now.
"Highly anticipated sequel" of a remake? Or are you talking about P6?
You do realize P5 by itself took 7 years to reach FFXVI's "gigantic first week flop" numbers?
Anon. Look at the visuals of P5 and look at the visuals of XVI.
Which one do you think cost more money to make?
The fact that P5 sold that much at all should paint a picture of just how much money Atlus made off of that game. SE didn't make jack shit off of XVI.
>Immediately move goalposts to profits
P5's popularity is completely overblown by smash rosterfats and twittertrannies, I don't care how much fatlus makes because they're one of the most israeli devs in the eastern hemisphere
Profits and netgains are the ONLY thing that matter to a company anon
The sales number is the baseline and XVI by SE's own admission didn't even meet it. You are the one who is moving goalposts LMAO
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/08/square-enix-bafflingly-backtracks-on-final-fantasy-16-sales-blames-slow-ps5-adoption
Issue is that Sony already paid upfront for all the FF flops, why do you think Square's only statement regarding XVI's shit sales was "well there's not that many ps5s out there"? They already got their money
That's not quite how it works anon. Sony co-payed for the development and a bonus for exclusivity, but the game is still very frickin expensive to make and it needs to make a certain amount in order to turn a profit.
If Persona 6 releases on the Switch 2 then Final Fantasy is fricking cooked.
According to a that Atlus leaker,. it is
Considering persona 6 is gonna be another "high school harem simulator with chuunis fighting god and pretend to be deep", then i would say persona 6 is gonna embarrass itself.
your visual novel garbage is still in dev hell for 5 more years.
metaflop lost to shiren 6. Shatlus is so poor that they have to nickel and dime their cult members with day one dlc and cut content.
now post shatlus profits. oh wait you can't because they are so poor
Japan doesn't play games anon kek I don't know what point you're trying to make
They play candy crush but that's it
Uma Musume's only in Japanese and it has made 2 billion in revenue.
Hmm and what do they play that on? Oh right phones lmfao
Japs don't play games anon.
Phones are more of a real gaming platform than the PS5 is.
I suppose you're right because PS5 has no games
I don't think it's reputation can be saved as a brand anymore. 13 and 15 being dogshit, 7 remake not being an actual remake, 16 being mediocre... it's not a trend at this point
Didn’t 16 sell well and got good reviews? I thought it was dogshit and couldn’t even get through half of it with its terrible combat system, but I was under the impression everyone was sucking squares dick after it, including metacritic
SoP2
You stop making so many Final Fantasy games so frequently and stop treating it like it's something you can use to suck money out of people. It's a big brand in the west but this isn't the PS1 and PS2 era anymore. People have been burned by XIII, XV, and FFVII:R now. The fans are there as evidenced by XIII's original sales figures but you just keep making awful decisions or stepping away from what makes Final Fantasy what it is.
Chocobo's Racing GP should have been such a simple thing to achieve. Why in the hell did it have a battle pass? Why did it have cosmetic microtransactions? This is what caused Crash Team Racing's remake to get panned. Just look at Mario Kart and its success. It has none of those, it just sells you new maps which come with additional characters and carts. How hard could it have been to follow that? You would have completely avoided the backlash for the insane prices and battle pass if you did that and it would still be a minor success today.
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remastered doesn't even have local co-op, something the original was entirely based around. Why would you do that when you already had to set up the system for online anyway?
Final Fantasy Dissidia NT is the complete antithesis to everything everyone liked about Dissidia. Why is it 3v3? Why is the RPG system gone? Why did they think this would be a success at all?
XV and XVI have moved away from the turn-based combat which has completely bit them in the ass as evidenced by Yakuza 8 and Persona getting bigger while their side games like Octopath Traveler show that people want turn-based. You have the ability to make these games turn-based, why are you so insistent on "appealing to the youth of today" and all that by making these pseudo action games where the RPG stuff barely matters at all?
It's like they don't see what people have been begging them for (A high fidelity turn-based FF game) and do everything but while constantly making poor decisions.
>It's like they don't see what people have been begging them for
is maintaining a healthy BMI really that hard for gamers?
Shouldn't have locked it to piss5 like morons. Instead of perhaps not being morons they just released it on any/all platforms at the same time, they'd have made their money. Would have bought it day 1 on PC.
>took less than half as long to make as Remake
>cost $10 more each copy than Remake
meh
Ill be honest here,
why didn't they just replace the graphics, and use the same every thing else? Maybe improved game play, fine. Added items, events, etc, fine. But they made too many pack-peddling changes for me (personally) to care.
because you can just download HD mods and get that for free
Remake was on PS4 and Rebirth is PS5 exclusive though, isn't it? A bit dishonest to compare those and pretend that variable doesn't exist. Why are sales and numbergays like this? Twitter screencap posts should illict a perma IP range ban
>SE says remaking VII as a single game is just impossible
>divvy it into 3 parts
>turn each part into some 60+ hour abomination of filler and padding
You know I'm beginning to think they were somewhat dishonest in that initial claim
no shit sherlock, they intended to milk as much as possible from their mindless fanbase
and it's not working lmao
Remake part 1 honestly isn't even that padded. But holy shit Rebirth is the MOST PADDED game I've EVER played in my fricking life. I am so glad I didn't buy it. I liked it, but holy fricking hell I have never felt so burnt out by tedious garbage in an RPG before
If part 3 is open world I will 100% not play it
nothing in Rebirth is as padded as the sector 5 and 7 slums, the drum, the crane section or the filler sewer section with the Noctis clone
You are lying Black folk. I did every single intel in every region, every single sidequest, and capped out all minigame rewards barring a few tedious ones in the saucer. I also didn't do girugamesh and the bandit shit, but otherwise did everything in the game and clocked out at about 90 hours. Remake, doing LITERALLY EVERYTHING took me about 50-60. The chadley intel isn't all too bad because they're relatively close together usually, but gongaga and cosmo canyon are fricking terrible. The proto relic shit, especially the dumb cactuar shit, REEKS of padding (follow beam to statue, get to statue, watch meaningless cutscene, go back, do training course, more cutscenes).
And good fricking god don't get me started on the side quests. Look, the dog escort is cool and quirky, cissnei is cool, and basically everything else is fricking awful.
Rebirth is the SINGLE most padded video game I have ever played in my life. I'm not even saying it's a bad game you fricks. It's good (up until the ending), but oh my fricking god if you don't think it's padded you're moronic
funny, i did everything, platinum the game and it took me 180 hours. Loved every single seconds. Maybe you are just moronic.
Anon, the people you are replying to are nuSE fanboys who consider every release a masterpiece. They dont care about the FF franchise going back where it belongs, about the games being universally good and entertaining.
if they just axed the open world and kept the old world map, the game unironically would have been a masterpiece
The open world is probably the most boring one that I've ever played. I think I might have even liked XV's world more.
all of that is better than being forced to chase rats in the sewers tbh
I did about 80% of the stuff and it took me 107 hours
sucks for you, you are missing on a great game
>most padded game
>never bought it or played it lol
>not even that padded
>turns a 2-3 hour section into an entire game with no new plot beats besides spoopy ghosts, alternate timeline nonsense and Sephiroth showing up early for no reason
>Sephiroth showing up early for no reason
>this autism again
that "build-up" scene only works once, as he's one of the most famous vidya antagonists. He was always the voice in Cloud's head
>he's one of the most famous vydia antagonists
Nobody knows who the frick he is besides being a pretty boy with a long sword. He's not even like Darth Vader, where they know the spoiler about the relation between the antagonist or the main character.
>ESL
nobody going into Remake and Rebirth doesn't already know what Septhroth looks like, not a single fricking one
>going into remake
Plenty of people, as I've already said, know little more than "pretty boy with a long sword".
>Rebirth
No one is even playing this shit
Black person, you still aren't comprehending what I said. What purpose does hiding his appearance serve when everyone knows what he L-O-O-K-S like?
Everyone knows how a great white shark looks like. Maybe you should talk to Spielberg about how he should have made Jaw differently.
No shit. My normalgay friends were hyped for the remake. The issue is it's not the full game just a part. I kept hearing the same reason why they're not buying rebirth.
It's not the full game. They're going to wait for all parts to be released and probably will be tuned up with modernized graphics.
Why do you guys care about sales? Part 3 is going to be made regardless.
>mobile FF7 game ends up outlasting "real" FF7 games
lol
Whoa you mean people don't want compilationshit full of uglified black gays exclusive to the PS5?
Say it ain't so. How could anyone ever have known beforehand?
When I thought about an expanded world of Final Fantasy VII for the remake, epic dance moves with Black folk and homosexuals where what I wanted most of all.
The FFVII experience is just incomplete without that. Who cares about some gay ass death scene or a memory sequence.
True.
Who wants to explore a cool world and Cosmo Canyon when instead of a western/native americans theme mixed with a bit of tech you can instead get gay blacks talking about having kids.
Truly the experience we all hoped for back in the day.
>ps5 only games
that's your problem they get memory holed so fast nowadays if your game is an exclusive. Spiderman 2 went and go, GoW ragnarok same, horizon only the devs remember about it
And Hogwarts Legacy and Resident Evil 4 Remake and Tears of the Kingdom and Pal World and Helldivers...
None of those games are exclusive besides TotK (also available on PC)
And no one talks about them anymore. Wanna know what games people do still talk about?
irrelevant
/vg/ turd worlders are not people dumbass
Sure, what games? You're not implying you just posted a list that contains one, are you?
"People" talk about gacha games more because they don't actually play the fricking things you moron. They're AFK/auto-play gambling simulators. Helldivers is the #3 most played game on steam RIGHT this very second.
Fricking moron
Well, if you wanna talk about games Steam users play, they sure have more in common with the live service gacha games than they do the single-player, cinematic JRPG.
>pc gayming
>literally no goof exclusives
>all those games that put ads in between their menus
when was stardew valley this high wtf what do people do in it
It just had an update
>wtf what do people do in it
That's the power of live service games. They just keep getting better as time goes on.
e-date
>Ganker Is jealous only PS5 owners can play the best game of the year again
You can tell pc is starving for games right now. Look at this shit
How come PS5 owners dont buy the game if its that good? Sounds like you're coping
>ps5 owners
I'll drop a little knowledge for you since you've undoubtedly seen the ff7 physical only Japan only sales used to "prove" it didn't sell well because switch games were ahead of it. There are 33.5 million switch owners in Japan. There are 3.5 million PS5 owners in Japan.
If the game was as good as shills claim it is they'd be buying PS5s en masse just to play it.
>dude just buy a ps5
>sold out for 3 years straight
What third world country do you live in where that's true?
>check online store
>they have hundreds of them in stock
You know the data in OP's pic is not only about japan right?
You speed read that and missed real data so that you could go back to the literal who on Twitter as a source with no numbers.
The PS5 is at 5.5 million in Japan. You wouldn't know it because nobody buys any games for it.
Just checked again. We're both off but my number is closer.
I was off by 15,000
Gacha shovelware will always be irrelevant.
Helldivers, Hogwarts Legacy and REmake 4 all did great and none of them were exclusives.
Forspoken, Immortals of Aveum, The Diofield Chronicles, Starfield, Steet Fighter 6, Exoprimals, Wo Long, Mortal Kombat, Asassin's Creed Mirage, Atlas Fallen, and Wild Hearts were not exclusives either.
And that's with the Tifa horny shilling, how low it would have been without it...
At the end of the day its just a remake. Aerith dies, Cloud wheelchair8ngr2, meteor etc, seen it done it
is selling half of remake really that abhorrently bad when the following things have changed
>no covid lockdown
>70$ price
>installbase is half of what ps4 was at that time
>world economy is all kinds of fricked up
I really don't think rebirth is a moneysink for them, its just not the infinite money printer they hoped it to be
they've already said part 3 development has been going on for a while and they are recording voice lines next month for part 3
I don't think they are going to downscale the budget, especially not after finally getting the 90+ mc score they've been chasing for a decade
Considering they are starting part 3 with all these factors, no its not terrible. I would atleast expect them to drop the Sony money and just put this shit out on PC same day.
if switch 2 is powerful enough they just need to pull a capcom and start making every single game they have multiplat
its clearly the future seeing as companies refuse to lower dev budgets and exclusives don't earn enough money
is half of what ps4 was at that time
There's 50 million PS5s out there. If you can't move more than a couple million copies on an install base of that size, that's on you. Another 50 or 100 or 200 million consoles wouldn't do shit.
it absolutely has an effect, i simply see it % based.
if 5-10% buy a specific game then at 80 million units thats 4-8 million which is completely in line with how it sold on ps4 (7million end of life)
with 40 to 50m units it being between 2-4 mil makes complete sense
NO FRICKING SHIT.
ITS A FRICKING SEQUEL TO ALL THE SPINOFFS THEYVE DONE IN 25 FRICKING YEARS. HOW DO YOU EXPECT NORMIES TO CARE AFTER REMAKE WHEN EVEN OG FANS WHO DIDNT CARE FOR THOSE SPINOFFS WHERE MAD, NEVERMIND THE TIMEJANNY FRICKERY.
And frick its not even the only thing FF7R is suffering from, the unpolished demo didnt help, its on one platform that sadly doesnt care much for JRPGs these days, and despite people saying otherwise, THERE WAS BARELY ANY POSTIVE WORD OF MOUTH.
>THERE WAS BARELY ANY POSTIVE WORD OF MOUTH.
There was plenty of negative word of mouth though.
WTF why does he have a surgical scar?
The AYO CLOUD poster really killed Rebirth on Ganker lol
No the content managed that.
>background NPCs
>content
>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND NAMELESS NPCS IN THE CORNER OF THE BAR REALLY MATTER
>what do you mean worldbuilding?
>i'm here to ignore the world and gobble wieners
Reminder that FF was never for c**ts like you.
>black people in ff7? This isn't accurate!
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
lol Helldivers 2 is more likely to win but go off queen
Helldivers will win the yearly fortnite award. It's too broken to win best of the year. Same reason for DD2.
>implying journos are gonna vote for a multiplayer game
>black people in ff7?
>why are they suddenly 95% of the population and they're all gay and ultra-ugly?
You are dramatic like a little schoolgirl
>Can't even break 90
Dd2 territory
Why are the NPCs in these games so fricking out of place? All of them look like generic GTA pedestrians or something. The main cast looks like a bunch of cringe cosplayers on their way to a convention next to them.
They're made by an indian outsourcing studio. See the credits here:
Same reason there are pajeets shilling this game.
all the background NPCs were outsourced
They unironically think this is what Westerners like
we've sunken this fricking far
>anon is unironically larping as that one guy who rings a bell whenever he sees something woke
imagine doing that for background npcs in a 50 hour RPG
>imagine caring about the world in a JRPG
Yeah imagine that.
What a massive tool you are.
>imagine caring about the world in a JRPG
When was ff7 a white man's paradise that you claim it was?
>what do you mean FF7 wasn't 99% black?
How about you try playing the actual game you underage c**t.
You're relying on hyperbole for a claim you know isn't true.
Again play the actual game.
You clearly never have.
>NOOOO HITLER SAVE ME FF7 DOESNT HAVE Black folk I KNOW IM REMEMBERING RIGHT
>you don't want to see ugly indian-tier blacks going on about their homosexual lives everywhere when you're trying to explore the world?
>LITERALLY HITLER
Have you ever considered suicide?
You should.
Are they Indians or are they black? Which mania is the one taking over your mind?
>Are they Indians
Modeled by indians. Maybe you should try reading the thread.
lol I take it actual FF games are too old for you.
attacking the poster and claiming they're underage instead of proving claims doesn't amount to anything.
Play FF7 or frick off.
Repeating yourself while not addressing your claim is meaningless.
>READ MY RAMBLING INCOHERENT FANFICTION
No.
>read my deranged rewritten history mania where ff7 has no black people
No.
if you can only repeat empty statements, then you really have no argument.
Anyone whose played the original game can tell you know. It's not hard.
empty statements don't mean anything if you can't prove your claim.
Remember this when you seethe later.
Lol your number is comically getting bigger and bigger but you didn't leave yourself any room for more full points.
I played UO before Rebirth, where background NPCs are sometimes cooler than the player characters.
That is puting love in the game. Not this abomination.
>stop noticing things!
ask the company they outsourced for them
moron
>Big black dude Mr T inspired gorilla man
>the right kind of black
>two gays in the background
>"The wrong type of blacks"
Correct.
You are a massive homosexual and shill.
Cry more and pray for something good to come out on pc this year.
>metascore
lmao yeah and I bet their score on Temu and Alibaba is super-high as well.
Nothing you can say affects it. Thats why you're so mad swearing that Barret is white.
Kek an actual Snoy console warrior. Maybe, just maybe, a lot of people didnt like the game that much?
Barry you know you we can just check the user score right. It's 8.9, which is very high
>WOW A 92? ITS ACTUALLY A 92! TAKE THAT!
yeah all those 0/10 votes totally came from people that actually played the game haha
why do brown people existing and working bother you so much
I remember reading that article praising the game for its inclusion of gay interracial couples and thought it had to be exaggeration, it was honestly insane how many there were ingame lol
Even worse, they moved locations at times so if you walked by you would hear "updates" on their love stories
Where?
I haven’t heard anyone outside of here actively shitting on it.
Most people are just like, “I don’t have a PS5 lol.”
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sells about half of what Remake sold in the same timeframe
Well yeah, the PS5 is a fricking joke. I look down on anyone who owns one.
Every single one of these threads starts with a new literal who from Twitter. This game is BG3 level fricking Ganker in the ass.
Who cares - it’s still magnificent and a gift to FF7 fans.
Resetera is already 8 pages deep.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/daniel-ahmad-zhugeex-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-is-underperforming-sales-wise-selling-about-half-of-what-remake-sold-in-the-same-timeframe.843192/
no matter which forum, everybody loves REEEEEEING about final fantasy and which direction it should go
>t-the switch 2 will save it!!
Is this the birth of a new cope?
it would 100% save the brand in japan atleast
don't think it would change much in the west
>save the brand
Nah too ugly and black now.
The rep has been in the gutters for years outside of the MMOs which is a different audience.
It's "too old for young people", "why do the men look like hosts", "music is no longer that great", "why aren't they basing them on celebs anymore", "why is it so sci-fi", "action combat sucks and i'm too old for it" and so on.
Guess you can add "looks like it was made by indians who only make ugly black people" to the mix.
Yeah ff7 with black people... I cant believe square is doing this to us.
Yeah, you zoomers should try actually playing FF7 and count how many blacks there are in it beside Barrett.
Man I wish square remade ff7 with no blacks at all like the original.
It'd be closer to the original than whatever shit you zoomoids are pretending passes for FF.
good games are system sellers
simple as
Name one from the past 10 years.
Lol SnoyEra is SEETHING
Those portbeggars are tendies and PChuds, but nice try.
Let's be real, FF14 wouldn't be doing well if it was locked to PlayStation either. inb4 muh "different type of game" did I fricking stutter?
Duh. Now, explain why Tears of the Kingdom sold 20M copies and Spider-Man 2 sold 10M. No, wait. I'll just give you the answer: Their fans like their games.
>spiderman
Much bigger ip in every way
>Zelda
There are 130 million switch owners.
If FF is a smaller IP, being multiplat wouldn't have helped. And there are 130M Steam users, but barely anyone picked up Remake VII.
>7.5 mil in 3 years for a jrpg is barely anyone
Steamies in denial
>7.5 mil in 3 years
Yea, it's not that big.
>jrpg
Oh, you wanna restrict the sales to the dying JRPG genre.
>he finally realizes he didn't read it right
Yea, I misread. 7R did sell well for a JRPG.
The game needed more noggers and alphabet people...
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Watch as SE makes it exclusive to the Epic store on PC just like they did with Remake,
nah, epic has stopped giving out cheques for store exclusivity unless they straight up funded the entire development like with alan wake 2
didn't Timmy's money run out years ago?
a lot of people had ps4s when remake came out
no shit, it's a sequel.
It kind of sucks because I was hoping that after the remake trilogy was done and over with, that they would make a true sequel. A FF7-2, if you will. Even if it just followed a modified AC storyline, I don't care, I just wanted a sequel(and then hope someone makes a de-make of it in the original ff7 psx style)
But remake is a true sequel
Can someone explain why this matters at all? This doesn't impact part 3 at all so I'm wondering why anyone cares about sales
Because Gankersetera loves screeching about muh sales numbers TORtanic 2 me smart you dumb!!!! ME SMART!!!!!!! YOU DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!
It's bizarre lol. Part 3 is already underway, do people think it's just not going to be made because of poor sales for part 2?
Someone explain the fricking logic here lol
They can't make it if SE has no money lol
That shit doesn't grow on trees, as they say.
SE has money, anon. I promise you part 3 is getting made regardless.
if games I don't like sell bad then my team wins
cück game
>PS5 only
And just like that 60% of people go "oh, I'll just wait then".
>i-its just because it's an exclusive
ror
rumao
Tekken 8 and DD2 have sold just about what Rebirth did at launch and they're multiplatform.
Now THOSE are flopperinos.
>These two are flops so Rebirth can't be!
Reeks of desperation anon
>so Rebirth can't be
Afraid it isn't.
Honestly
They needed to release them each one year apart to keep interest and discussion up. At least people would've tuned in but now many are just pessimistic
You're on Ganker shocked to see no positivity. A great game always sends this board off the deep end literally every other month.
After the abomination that was Remake, it's hard to fathom anyone buying Rebirth
I feel so badly burned by Remake that I want to unbuy every FF game I've ever bought
I will literally never buy:
Compilation-trash.
Blackwashed-crap.
A PS5.
So FF:Afterbirth fails on all counts.
You'll slurp it up like you did 7r on pc, top 5 best selling FF.
lmao
Seven point five million steamie sloppy second slurpers
b-but this doesn't count because Remake came to Epic first
I bet my left testicle that it did worse on Epic than it did on Steam.
luckily remake's verified steam purchase review scores are probably better than the fatlus sega turnbased slop, i hope.
No dice
>59k OVERWHELMING positive
vs
>21k very positive loool
turnbased wins... again.
>remake has way more recent reviews because it's way newer
god we need the IP counter back
Purifying air
Retribution is at hand
wow
Im not buying a fricking PS5 to play this shit, simple as. Only game that make me even consider a console is GTA6 and ill probably get the cheap as Series S.
>Aerith, does Johnny have a spot on the wall for our goty trophy!
>you betcha!
I have more hope for Fantasian being a real FF sequel due to the people involved than i'll ever have for any FF going forward with this homosexual ameriblack stuff.
It should just come to a proper platform. Having to play it on Apple shit feels weird.
homie so scared of black people, he's even scared of the virtual ones
FF is the definition of a Zombie ip at this point. A Walking Dead if you will
Yep. It already felt like a zombie IP at the end of the PS2 era and now it feels like someone is digging up parts of it to have homoerotic relations with it's corpse.
Kind of sad really.
Bow down to the best game of 2024, poorgay losers. Maybe another pity port will come your way if you beg hard enough.
>Cosmo canyon homosexuals
There are native american and other south american native tribes that still execute or ostracize gays because they are "against nature".
But ofc the new Cosmo Canyon is just your progressive green party and a bunch of dirty hippie homosexuals. How are these people a balance between tech and nature?
The Greeks were gay. Does that mean they were woke?
>The Greeks were gay
No, they were pedophiles.
Unless you're claiming that being gay is the same thing.
Greeks weren't gay. You were fooled by K.J Dover and Foucault.
I'm glad to see it crashing and burning.
Well-deserved for americanizing it.
It deserved to sell even worse.
This Twitter post is a response to someone essentially saying "Gamers like breasts, it's why FF7 rebirth will sell so well"
Not saying FF7 Rebirth is selling well, but this guy has no clue what the tail of the sales will be, he made this response because he was upset that someone said guys want attractive girls in video games.
Also I did beat it and it was pretty good imo. You kids care about sales too much.
I like breasts. Tifa is hot. Aerith is cute.
Women being cute or hot at the expense of one of the most beloved, if not the most beloved, story in JRPG history is not worth it. And they censored Tifa. Multiple times.
postan in a larry melty thread
>Barrett is based on Mr T
Actually Masahiro Chono.
who the frick thought episodic content was a good idea when it was already proven that people fricking hate it?
>He was lurking a twitter conversation about 7rebirth being fanservicey is the reason it sold copies and had to chime in with "UM ACKSHULLY"
lol what a giant homosexual.
The problem was the 7R wasn't fanservicey enough.
Good hopefully they cancel making any more of this IP ruining garbage.
>cancel a project that's already fully funded and printing money for a decade
>printing money
>7.5 million for first third of the project in 3 years
>majority of all production costs covered up front
They're swimming in money. Look at squares stock in the past 20 years, it goes up
>its a third of a project
>so it must've cost a third as much to make
>majority of all production costs covered up front
t. resetera moron who don't understand gamedev.
The 2nd part doing worse than the first makes sense, surely Square must have realized this before deciding to do a trilogy? I wonder if sales will spike after the 3rd game is out and they release a complete edition.
By then it'll be a 60hours game just to complete with tons of tedious slogs and fillers.
It turn off more people that the shit writings it already have.
Remake and Rebirth already clock in over 100 hours for an average playthrough. From what they are saying Part 3 sounds just as long as Rebirth, so we could be in the 170 hour neighborhood.
Can't wait for Square to release a director's cut with 80% of the padded content removed.
>direct sequel on a system nobody has
Shocking
>nobody has
It's amazing how you homosexuals don't understand that to "remake" something is to simply; "make it again with the same basic core elements", it has nothing to do with your subjective opinion of where Nojima is taking the story.
That pilpul was already worn out 4 years ago. Get a new script shill.
You're confusing remaster with remake. Rookie mistake.
>The story is not a core element
>he forgot to reply
Those core elements of the story have remained unchanged, moron. You're still an ex-mercenary who joins an ego terrorist group and have to stop a mutated half-alien super soldier from destroying the world, you just don't like the additions that make the game's story stand as a piece of fiction of its own. What you wanted was a remaster not a remake, and now you're obsessed with crying about it online like a manchild rather than looking at it objectively.
>REMASTER NOT REMAKE
Not buying your shit, shill.
The story already stood by itself, remake's version doesn't
Story's great to me but what would I know I played ff7 on ps1 before you were born.
I played it on release, what does that have to do with the claim that it can't stand by itself?
Retroactively censoring Remake did a nice number on Rebirth's sale numbers.
It's their own fault, nothing else.
It was pretty funny how they btfo their own shills with that move. All the Tifa bikini spam stopped almost instantly.
>ohhh noooo this is so censored!
Off by a million Jesus christ get your facts right before you post.
Yes, if you move the goal post and exclude the 750,000 digital PS5s. And before you say people can't buy a physical copy of a game for the digital PS5, Rebirth obviously isn't selling well digitally.
>>ohhh noooo this is so censored!
yeah, it all took that stupid moronic move to sink their sales. all for brownie points.
>walk to Asscreed tower past endless LGBT NPC patter
>activate it to undo a bit of map fog
This is the peak gameplay pushed by the people who said turn-based was bad and outdated?
>this is so much better than having an overworld!
Which is especially stupid because FFVII was one of the games that best made use of the overworld for storytelling and worldbuilding purposes, if not the actual best.
VII's overworld was worse than V and VI's
V is my favorite game in the franchise, it has metric tons of fun things to do and feel like an incredible adventure, but none of those things top VII's use of the Overworld.
>seeing the skybox change as Meteor comes closer
>seeing the Weapons going around on a rampage
>the darkening of skies around Midgar
V did some cool things with the landmasses overlaying each other as the world fuses, but VII is still above it when it comes to using the overworld to convey to the player the sense of "well damn everything's fricked now"
>wandering around with no direction is actually a good thing guys
GIHIHIHI homosexual FANTASY VII gayBIRTH GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
homosexual FANTASY VII AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FLOP homosexual VII FLOPgay GIHIHIAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>yet another clout chasing twitter dipshit making up shit about sales just to try to bait engagement
twitter was a mistake.
>twitter analyst
Low install base
Middle entry
Controversial story changes
Off the charts padding (even the battles are padded, Stagger system = more padding than an asylum cell)
Boomer franchise
It's not just the low install base considering XVI seems to have outsold it given the fact that they actually announced numbers for that one
The battle system is one of the best ever. They should have given me even more reasons to fight. There is literally no other game like it.
Genuinely, I have not played the game, I want to ask, what's so fun about waiting for a bar to fill so you can decide it's time to push all your big damage buttons with a +30% damage bonus like some kind of MMO burst window?
How does this beat regular boss fights that don't depend on some arbitrary "there, you can do damage now" loicense like you get in other action games like the DMCs and the Souls and the Kingdom Hearts and the literally anything elses of the world?
There's nothing fun about it. There's also nothing fun about using a big move to hurt it but the game decided that it hit the HP threshold for its big cinematic Hollywood attack and all the damage you just did with your big move went right down the drain because it's invincible during it
>waiting for a bar to fill
>he has to wait
>Low install base
I'm done with this cope at this point. Switch's big exclusives were selling way better when the console was around the numbers the Ps5 is supposedly at right now. At some point people just have to admit there is something fundamentally wrong with this gen, which is showing in the sales. Spider Man 2 is genuinely the only game that can be said has sold truly well being Ps5 exclusive
>first good game in 2-3 years
>undersells
Good thing part 1 made enough to cover the trilogy budget entirely and anything else is just a bonus. You maggots deserve the rotting carcass that is modern gaming, getting part 3 and dipping out entirely, have fun with the same 5 live service games completely taking over. Have the joy of it, dirty fricking Black folk.
Who cares? Sony money is keeping this project alive and Part 3 is already in development.
>Sony pays for most if the cost of all 3 games
>other games have to wait for sales to pay for their game
>square could take as long as they wanted because money is already a victory for this trilogy
>morons obsessed with sales that they have no numbers for that don't matter that won't affect it winning goty
Award season is gonna be good here. I'll be spamming pictures of Tifa holding trophies.
baitan in a larry melty thread.
>Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sells about half of what Remake sold in the same timeframe
Neither game comes close to what the original sold.
People underestimate how popular the original FF7 was, and they also underestimate how far the series has fallen. It takes a colossal amount of moronation to turn a 18.5 million sale IP into a 2 million sale IP.
A lot of those sales were probably from the $20 Greatest Hits copy and it was a full game for $20, not 1/3rd of it.
The original ff7 sold 10 million units. 7R is at 7.5 million and counting after 3 years.
Yeah and a frickton of those were people like me who played the first one not knowing it was total bullshit. Which is why the second one is selling like shit
don't worry, once the complete FF7 Remake collection comes out for 10$, it'll sell to 18 million
Unless they cut a significant part of the filler for a complete edition, absolutly nobody will finish the game
>buy game
>play for 10 hrs
>watching the rest of the cutscenes on youtube
i think this is how it'll go
SE should stop making these one and done games. Live service is where it's at.
How's Foam Stars and Ever Crisis doing again?
Foamstars was DoA as far as I'm aware. EC is holding on.
Don't worry, XIV will save them again.
You just reminded Foam stars existed then again didn't help SE that Side order came out the same month.
https://www.truetrophies.com/news/foamstars-ps-plus-player-count
Funny how that worked for them. I don't know why Square thought releasing the blandest rip off of Splatoon wasn't a bad enough idea on its own, that they needed to release it a week apart from the only actual big expansion Splatoon 3's had.
Also didn't help with those live service prices on outfits that were going for almost the same price as a brand new game all they had to do was copy Splatoon with their own hook but that's too much to expect from a company who both fricked up Crystal Chronicles and Chocobo racing's remasters.
FF7R2 and DD2 showed the absolute death of Japanese game.
Japanese game used to be great and on par with Western game in 2017, but how can they get mogged by Korean and Chinese black ship like Lies of P, Stellar blade and Black myth wukong? What went wrong? Japanese game was rival with Western game since 2017. But how can Japanese game fall even worse than PS360WiiU era, despite Japan's economy is restoring? Korean and Chinese black ship's Jet stream attack mogs entire Japanese game Lies of P, Stellar Blade, Black myth wukong.
Japanese game had no award in last year. TGA 2023 was a funeral, not festival for Japanese games. While Mihoyo got 2.
To care about West, At least we Westerners still make good game like Helldivers 2, Avowed,Hi-fi rush, Diablo 4, Halo infinity, AoE4,STARFIELD,
Modern warfare 3,Sea of stars,
BG3,Mortal kombat 1,
Spiderman 2,Remnant 2, Helldivers 2.
Phil Fish was right. Japan has no where to stand in gaming.
What is left in Japan?
Anime? BA will be the AOTS so Korea dominates anime, which Chinese donghua like MDZS and Link click failed to.
Comic? Webtoon is better and SL is more popular than KnY,JJK,AoT,SxF in Japan.
Weebstuff? BA has 1800 comicket booths and the most pics in pixiv.
Entertainment? Johnny's was decimated by gay sex and Korea makes them better, Kpop, movie and drama.
Car? Electricity? Korea makes em better.
Sports? Son Heung Min beats all.
Porn? Banned from Japan by new law on AV.
Japan is nothing. But vassal state of Korea and China.
Area 11 of Korea and China just like Code geass.
Japanese games are dead. The time is for China,Korea and West.
What i wanna ask is, Japanese game used to be great in 2017-20 but how can they fall so soon and get mogged easily by Mihoyo,Lies of P,Stellar blade and helldivers 2? No award for Jap game this year in TGA.
You will never have sex asiaticcel
But blACK ship fleet from Korea and China's jet stream attACK of Lies of P, Stellar blade and blACK myth Wukong will decimate Jap games completely. Nowhere to stand in gaming for Japs. As Tomino concerned, Go woke go broke, Jjokpari. .
Shut up. Tomino's concern was right.
Jap anime and games gets fricked up by feminism and LGBT, not only working condition and China and Korea will take over, for China and Korea never gets woke. they have no LGBT. No ESG. They never kneel to feminsits.
Tomino is Anti-Woke as well as anti-war.
SE is one of the worst mobile developers outside of China, they can't even compete with a visual novel studio much less the ccp
I almost bought remake because I haven’t played ff7, but then I found out the title is misleading and it’s not a fricking remake and it’s some fanfic bullshit instead. I’d imagine a lot of people were misled and thus didn’t buy the second game
Your thinking of a remaster which is the same game but slightly better visuals and maybe some qol changes. A remake is a compete rebuild under different circumstances, which is obvious for a ps1 game going to ps5.
Wait.... you thought it was a 1 for 1 remake after seeing it didn't have ps1 graphics? Jesus christ.
In this franchise alone. Final Fantasy Origins, Final Fantasy I & II Advance, Final Fantasy III DS, Final Fantasy IV DS, Final Fantasy V & VI Advance. Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together, Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions.
>those are remasters!
The idea of "remaster" has existed for maybe at most 10 to 15 years or so, and it exists for the sake of a dev justifying a high resolution texture pack on a game and selling it again, see Fable I. So no wonder all the 12 year olds in this place think that it's somehow how things always have been.
"Remakes don't have to have anything to do with the original, actually!" is homosexualry that has birthed BY Square apologists trying to paint a target around the arrow Square has shot with these games.
Imagine letting a Kigdom Hearts-style Nomura word frickery for marketing purposes redefine your complete understanding of reality rather than simply knowing what is true and what isn't.
>goes off of speculation, no real numbers
Remind me Barry, how many copies did Flospoken sell?
11
I'm surprised it sold 1 copy tbqh homie
It's utterly and completely over if you have to resort to semantic arguments that would make a rabbi blush to defend shit like this.
>HURR DURR I'M SURE THESE EXCLUSIVITY DEALS WILL HELP SELL FF
>meanwhile, MH going multiplatform:
>comparing exoprimal to MH or FF
It was multiplatform. So was this game.
And that game would have done even worse if it weren't multiplat. Cope lmao
Not if it were a Nintendo game.
Switch couldnt run rebirth at 5fps
Maybe Rebirth shouldn't be appealing to graphicgays.
someone has to push boundaries sure as frick isn't ever going to be Nintendo
>someone has to push boundaries
Why?
rdr2 made better volumetric clouds that you only see for one mission, this isn't impressive
Probably best to leave graphics to Western developers. JPs should just stop.
>someone has to push boundaries
Push boundaries at the expense of being incapable of remaking a 1997 game into a single game because "the world is too big"? Really?
Do you get how depressing that even is for any other future game of the franchise "pushing boundaries"?
Rebirth took me 140 hours to complete, it's safe to say that trying to make all of this into one game would not have been possible
they would have had to do a genuine 1:1 with very little expansion
and how would you make entire dungeons and towns 2-3 screens in 3D
pro tip: you can't
>Rebirth took me 140 hours to complete
Because it's padded. Cut irrelevant shit out.
140 hours is enough to finish the entire PS1 FF catalog. That's five games.
padded with quality and sovl
It's not going to be squeenix outsourcing shit to pajeets either.
yeah man those generic NPCs really tanked the entire experience
>pretty much every single Japanese IP is selling more now that they are going multiplatform
>but since some multiplatform still performs poorly, it means this has no correlation with success
3rd party exclusivity is fricking moronic and Square will continue to bomb
>pretty much every single Japanese IP is selling more now that they are going multiplatform
Incorrect.
MH Rise started AS switch exclusive and sold 7m copies
Then came on PC and consoles and doubled the sales
So, you're telling me that MH Rise sold the most on the Switch?
No, I'm saying that without multiplatform they would have lost half the sales
But it sounds like they made the right choice making it a timed exclusive for the Switch, since that's where it sold the best.
Clearly not since the next game releases everywhere day one and even SB was not a timed exclusive anymore
You telling me Capcom regrets giving MH Rise as a time exclusive to Nintendo?
The game would have sold more being day one on all systems, so yeah
Explains why Capcom gave little to no shit with content on Rise they probably hoped it'd flop on Switch and when that didn't happen they decided to treat it like the red headed step child.
They fricking knew FF trilogies don't sell, they had a reference in the form of FFXIII and now they do it again EXCEPT now the parts are split between two different consoles. Rebirth not being available on the PS4 is a baffling decision, insane even. Did this Sony deal force them to keep it PS5-only?
Considering it runs meh even on Ps5, it probably wasn't doable on PS4
>They fricking knew FF trilogies don't sell
Some moron had the grandiose idea of the midgar section as a standalone game and Square is now filled with nothing but yes men.
When the Gooch was still working in Square, they bounced ideas, often went back in stupid decisions, toned things down, split excessive ideas into different games (FFVII had so much shit that these elements would end up in Parasite Eve, Xenogears, FFVII and FFVIII).Plus the rule of "no sequels" made each game more complete, as they had to put everything to make the story cohesive in that one single game. They had one chance at making it right, no retconning or expanding convoluted shit at a later date.
It was just a better environment to make good games.
>When the Gooch was still working in Square
Not a game though
Which should've been the biggest red flag.
why didn't anyone stop the Gooch from wasting all of Square's money on Spirits Within?
Who tard wrangles the tard wrangler?
> FF6 sells more than FF8, FF9, FF10
top kek shit grap / source
the numbers are on wikipedia homosexual
funny cause XI made the most money until just recently, and technically you can play for free so physical sales are uneeded
SE could release the sales data and put all this nonsense to an end, but they won't do it for some reason. I don't understand.
Why were they so comfortable announcing 3 million sales for FFXVI, but are being tight lipped about Rebirth? There is no way this sold under 3 million, right?
Remake sold 3.5m in a week
If Rebirth is doing half of that, it only made 1.75m in a week. And then fell off
In Japan Rebirth sales still haven't matched XVI's first week, it's very likely it's sitting at 2.5 mil unless westoids bought it in droves
>Just release the sales data and there will be an end to the horror.
Ganker is the worst it has ever been. This isn't even funny in a morbid way anymore.
why are salesgays so unhinged and weird
add uk to the list of countries that stillbirth flopped in
>have half the userbase compared to ps4
>sell half as much
>nooo how could this be
fricking lmao come on
>game costs more
>sells half the copies
>with worse legs
Yeah all good here
>costs more
>when the engine and the assets are all already in place since the first game
cope moron
>I-it's because the absolute number of PS5's is smaller, yeah that's it
hahahaha, this shit is amazing, you people will do anything other than accept that a lot of people just did not like the Remake
100M PS4s during the peak of the pandemic vs 50M in a post lockdown age
I'm not disputing there are half as many consoles, I'm disputing your notion that if the consoles doubled the sales of this game would as well. Do you think that's true of the entire library? That's ridiculous
>lot of people just did not like the Remake
than why did it continue to sell
Why is your response to "Few people played the second game after playing the first" "Well then why did so many more play the first?"? I'm genuinely confused. I'm one of the people that played later, I thought it fricking sucked, and I didn't play the second.
you sure do post a lot about a game you didn't play
>Well then why did so many more play the first
Correct. After the initial launch and everyone knowing what the game actually was, why did it continue to sell? Why are the reviews so high?
Are you claiming you speak for everyone?
>Correct. After the initial launch and everyone knowing what the game actually was, why did it continue to sell? Why are the reviews so high?
Because everyone wanted to see what it was like? The frick? Tons of shit games have sold like hotcakes are you high?
>Are you claiming you speak for everyone?
I'm offering a pretty easy conclusion to come to, one fanboys seem to be pretty desperate to avoid.
>Why are the reviews so high?
Journos love Kingdom Hearts, and the ones that don't are afraid of rating a big studio game low
>in 2024 people still care about final fantasy, a franchise that has quite literally never been good
huh
That's what they get stupid homosexualards for not releasing on PS4 too.
Lemayo
>endless marketing for months
>sold less than DD2 even with the shitty performance and the mtx drama
That's fricking grim
FF13 trilogy all over again
I mean i think everyone saw this coming when people got aware of "Remake" not being an actual remake,
People don't understand that exclusivity deals over the years don't only affect short term sales, but the long term reputation of the franchise. If a lot of people start skipping some titles, they still get less and less interested in the series. Plus you miss out on a lot of new fans.
Souls and MH have reached an audience on pretty much every platform, so from now on they will keep selling gangbusters everywhere. Meanwhile at this point FF only has a fan base on PS, and now that those are starting to leave too, they have nowhere to go.
NOT SO FAST
This guy is quoting an article from Push Up, which cited analysis from Ampere Analysis. The analysis mentioned that FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players on its first day. We already knew that FF7 Remake sold 5 million copies in a month. link: https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-shipments-sales
Breaking down the analysis, we find:
>FF7 Rebirth had 2.21 million players in just one day.
>It's likely that more than 5 million copies have been sold by now, after a month.
>Stellar Blade is predicted to have 4 million players on its first day.
>Within a month, Stellar Blade might reach 10 million units sold.
Louis Woldridge has spoken.
We won. Final Fantasy won. Nomura won. Stellar Blade won. Shift Up won. Gamers won.
Gaming is healing...
Nomura is once again saving Square Enix
>Stocks going down
>No formal announcement
>The only actual sales data we see has it track lower than shit games like FFXVI and SMRPG remake
I dont care. Anybody with two braincells can tell this is a long term investment. PC gamers will eat it up. Part 3 will come out and theyll be able to sell collectors bundles, PS6 next-gen versions, remake Dirge of Cerebus, rerelease Advent Children for the umpteenth time. Its already been boosting the shit out of the original game. FF7 has always been a money printing machine and will continue to do so for the better part of the next decade.
That may have been true years ago but this game isn't selling well.
You're wrong see
Can you read? Because I just explained why that doesnt matter. It still sells and in time it will be considered a masterpiece and continue selling. Besides, its been what, a month since release. Normies arent buying games like this on launch.
Your opinion doesn't matter in light of poor sales. SE's going to start firing you pajeet shills next as the game is a flop.
So you cant read, got it.
Kenny Omega just said that when it's all said and done he thinks Remake/Rebirth/Re3 will be his favorite of Final Fantasy
its so weird everyone that plays the game loves it
Kenny also just said he liked 15 a lot more than most people did and Xenogears is his favorite ps1 rpg
awoken = abroken
2.2m accounts for digital and physical copies globally so it's safe to say 2.8m is the max.
>P3 Reload, Relink, DD2, Unicorn Overlord, Like a Dragon and Pal World all do well
>Rebirth flops
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
uh oh larry melty again
normalgays thought remake was the complete package
Thats what they get for not doing the most miniscule amount of research before spending $70 on a product.
>MUST CONSOOM
>DONT EVER READ BOX JUST BUY
>see game called "Final Fantasy 7 Remake"
>buy it
>actually it's just the first third of the game
Not defending normies but it was kinda moronic to not call it Chapter 1
>about half
Nobody ever says that shit if it actually is half or more.
So in other words it’s selling exactly like how XVI sold?
Well hopefully this convinces SQEENIX to abandon exclusivity.
Selling less actually
>be not turnbased
>be not bought
happens every tiem
Turn based is literal boomer gameplay. It's boring and mass audiences don't like it. Get with the times grandpa.
based on people who haven't bought, which is many, rebirth doesn't appeal to mass audiences either.
kek larry btfo
>Nintendie circle jerk
you guys must be desperate for content
when is your next major release again? oh...
i don't own a nintendo, but it did win in the end. again...
too bad its players lost bigly
I'm just gonna say kek to this because it makes the shills mad.
Mat Piscatella, the Video Game Industry Analyst and Executive Director at Circana has spoken:
>he believes FF7 Rebirth is doing great
>Rebirth had two versions of the game charted among the top-selling games in February, despite being out only for a day.
Louis Woldwridge and Mat Piscatella are in agreement.
We won.
post uncropped version, coward.
It's the uncropped version.
fine. i'll post the proof that tekken 8 with it's proudly announced 2 million sales has btfo stillbirth.
>but muh only 3 days
almost all of it's sales are counted from preorders/day 1 sales. 91% drop by day 2.
>rebirth is sub 2 million
big if true
>Tekken 8 released on January 26, 2024
Bro are you confused? Of course, it ranked higher on year-to-date chart on the right as it has a two-month head start compared to Rebirth, which was only out for a day at the time.
Tekken 8 announced its 2 million sales on 26th February, rebirth hasnt even out by then
Tekken is probably going to sell better in the long run tho
that's not the point. the point is ytd rebirth is below ytd tekken.
it doesn't matter how long tekken 8 has been out. we know it sold at least 2m and we know rebirth is below it, so we know rebirth sold less than 2m.
That is the whole point though, you're comparing 1 month tekken sales to rebirth even though by the time rebirth hasnt come out yet
1IQ. FF7Rebirth sold less in the same ammount of time. Therefore below 2M
>In the same amount of time
>2 months vs 1 day
Schizo bro...
it isn't about tekken vs rebirth.
2m sales for tekken in known quantity.
rebirth isn't above tekken.
rebirth sales < tekken sales.
rebirth < 2m.
do you ever evaluate games on their gameplay or is it all autistic numbers for you
then the only game worth playing would be dwarf fortress
i accept your concession.
I bet people think that tomb raider game that sold 80 gorilian copies did well too
You have to realize something, Ganker is too stupid to understand shit like profit margins and budgets. They think that Square Enix was stupid to call games like Tomb Raider a failure when the reality is they spent so much money marketing the game and developing it that even with the massive amount of copies sold it didnt make any amount of money near worth while. Games like Rebirth need to sell well over 5 million to have any prayer of being worth it
Bad game, deserved
So is this Larry guy just Eric in disguise? He seems to do a lot of unprompted crying about tendies.
Larry is a creation of Jimbo who is a sock puppet of Barry
keep up
probably. i call him larry because as all ff fans know: if you name your enemy, you win instantly.
Xbox cuck cope thread driven by Twitter engagement bait goes into autosage, a story as old as time.