It wasnt comp it was definitely the opposite, low skilled players who could counter spy with simple communication, even if spy had all his nerfs removed he still wouldnt be viable in competitive
>For years, comp gays scream about how you should always use the default weapons because they're the best >Valve proceeds to nerf every single unlockable so they're not even worth using as sidegrades and are all almost useless
Fun game. At this point I pray every day the backpack servers will die so all the hats will go away since everyone's just using stock weapons anyway.
natascha is the sleeper best heavy weapon because it makes scouts, spies, and pyro's cry
if only he had a secondary that made snipers not bully him out of the game to go with it
I'm still fricking seething, it was so much fun I'd get the rocket jumper and frick around shooting this thing at them as they try to runaway and fry themselves.
>love and war
anything post engineer update is sub-par.
Also for worst updates I'd have to replace meet your match with invasion, and gun mettle with the tough break update because it broke the most weapons.
I forgot Invasion was even a thing but that's a community update so it sort of exists in its own bubble, and I feel like Gun Mettle deserves more blame over Tough Break since it introduced a lot of what TB brought in
What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp. The crit downgrade doesn't matter if your medic isn't running kritzkrieg and the building damage doesn't matter because the charge shot shoots flying frenchmen that straight up disables buildings letting your team mop up the sentry nest with little to no resistance. The cow mangler is a brilliant weapon, more than viable.
>What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp.
This is where the entire argument falls apart.
The game should not be balanced around 1% of the communities moronic un-intended playstyle.
Nerfs happened because Valve wanted to chase those fat eSport profits, so they listened to compgays on how to balance their game for 6v6 and Highlander tournaments.
DR was pretty good when you're playing on a choke fest map and you had no other way to get behind the enemy team. Besides that though there wasn't much use for it.
It's funny because the primary issue with that was DR spies using Engineer building gibs to do that. Large ammo kits still didn't give 100% cloak, just 60%. They could have just made it not be able to pick up building gibs for cloak and dinged cloak gain from ammo by another 15%, but nope, Gaben only has a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
A lot of the weapons people b***h about being nerfed were blatant crutches; I guarantee your ass if they ever fix the Iron Shitter's projectile being x8 the size of normal pipes there's going to be Gankeredditors complaining about how Valve "patched the fun out of the game."
Even with it's supposed upsides I still hate using the thing. No bounce means you can't lob grenades around tight corners and the lowered fuse time means the grenades have less travel time too. It's just a shit weapon all round.
Grenade Launcer for your general exploding needs
Loch n Load if you hate sentries and love precision aiming
Loose Cannon if you like fun and Donkey Kong.
Honestly, people that use the iron bomber JUST because of its bugged hitbox are fricking idiots. The hitbox size difference is pretty much insignificant.
it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too. >+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you frick the engineer's wife. >-No random critical hits.
>it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too. >+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you frick the engineer's wife. >-No random critical hits.
It really is. Not having to worry about ammo means more time on the attack. The second charge shot can frick with people and outright kill them sometimes. And its lowered building damaged is 1. Not as bad when the secondary fire can also disable buildings which might as well be destroying it, and 2. If youre the only class capable of destroying a sentry in casual its probably a lost cause anyways.
I'm to tried to copy and fast the whole artifact spill, it's late tonight and I've been protesting at VALVE headquarters for a update all night so can you guys just pretend I was talking about the dedicated artifact fanbase please
Agreed. Compgays made them patch the fun out of the game.
It wasnt comp it was definitely the opposite, low skilled players who could counter spy with simple communication, even if spy had all his nerfs removed he still wouldnt be viable in competitive
frick this item
>For years, comp gays scream about how you should always use the default weapons because they're the best
>Valve proceeds to nerf every single unlockable so they're not even worth using as sidegrades and are all almost useless
Fun game. At this point I pray every day the backpack servers will die so all the hats will go away since everyone's just using stock weapons anyway.
unlockables were always a mistake and should simply be removed.
Frick YOU. It's STILL annoying. Do up a bag and drop dead motherfricker.
I still use it for MvM when I decide to play spy (replacing demo in usual meta)
I like to use the Natascha because it's causes direct damage to people's souls to be slowed.
This, it's also fun in team combat as it lines them right up for rockets
The natascha completely shits on sc**ts, I almost feel bad using it sometimes because they're just utterly fricked with no escape.
cant you just track better and murder scouts instead?
Shhhhhh!
tracking is hard.
natascha is the sleeper best heavy weapon because it makes scouts, spies, and pyro's cry
if only he had a secondary that made snipers not bully him out of the game to go with it
it's cool, heavy is very boring
do you see a sign on this thread that says dead ringer storage?
>Soldier can shoot at his feet and get kills but spies are not allowed to bamboozle peopl.
Yes. Spy players get the rope
Why tho?
3rd hardest class to play and nothing wrong with it
Because walking forward and pressing M1 should not be rewarded, much less a OHKO. Play a class that actually takes skill, like Sniper, or Demoman.
>complains about spy backstab
>the only thing that makes the spy good
Which is exactly why Spy should be removed from the game. Sniper does his job better.
This. Remove Spy, remove Heavy, remove Pyro, remove Engineer. Competitive 6v6 is the only true format worthy of being played.
Can't cope
I've forgotten what it was like
something like 450 crits with charges. Could kill a heavy and his medic GF with ease.
IT"S NOT FRICKING FAIR
>shoves you 5 inches forwards
Remove the useless shove and replace the M2 with the ability to toss out small medkits, now you got yourself a mid range/support hybrid weapon
*is kino in your path*
*gets on knees*
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I'm still fricking seething, it was so much fun I'd get the rocket jumper and frick around shooting this thing at them as they try to runaway and fry themselves.
Got reverted ages ago, get with the times grandpa
Valve didn't actually fix it.
It does a fair deal less damage.
Dr. Enforcicle was so much fun, probably the most fun I had in this game
Alas...
meet your match has been the single most worst update
TOP 3 WORST UPDATES IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
>Meet your Match
>Mannconomy/Polycount
>Gun Mettle (mostly for adding weapon skins and tiers)
TOP 3 BEST UPDATES IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
>Sniper vs Spy
>WAR!
>Love & War
>love and war
anything post engineer update is sub-par.
Also for worst updates I'd have to replace meet your match with invasion, and gun mettle with the tough break update because it broke the most weapons.
>replace meet your match with invasion
no
meet your match literally fricked TF2 so bad it's still feeling the aftereffects today
The quickplay update where they removed the server browser is what you're looking for.
I'm adding invasion, because it prevented valve from working with the community to fix their game for them.
I forgot Invasion was even a thing but that's a community update so it sort of exists in its own bubble, and I feel like Gun Mettle deserves more blame over Tough Break since it introduced a lot of what TB brought in
Glad this shit got nerfed.
Revert sandman, but leave the autistic spies in the grave
Today I will remind them
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Cowmangler, the worst fricking soldier rocket launcher.
>comp gays
>it's too spammy in comp, valve needs to lower the fire rate
What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp. The crit downgrade doesn't matter if your medic isn't running kritzkrieg and the building damage doesn't matter because the charge shot shoots flying frenchmen that straight up disables buildings letting your team mop up the sentry nest with little to no resistance. The cow mangler is a brilliant weapon, more than viable.
>What are you talking about the cow mangler is practically a straight upgrade in comp.
This is where the entire argument falls apart.
The game should not be balanced around 1% of the communities moronic un-intended playstyle.
>revert plugin fixes everything valve nerfs
>absolutely nothing feels OP anymore just fun
Was valve just moronic, like did the nerfs happen solely because of valve ruining everything?
Nerfs happened because Valve wanted to chase those fat eSport profits, so they listened to compgays on how to balance their game for 6v6 and Highlander tournaments.
DR was for room temp IQ tards who needed a crutch and encouraged a bad playstyle
DR was pretty good when you're playing on a choke fest map and you had no other way to get behind the enemy team. Besides that though there wasn't much use for it.
This thing was always a crutch for bad spies. Stop crying that you cant instantly reload your get out of jail free card.
It's funny because the primary issue with that was DR spies using Engineer building gibs to do that. Large ammo kits still didn't give 100% cloak, just 60%. They could have just made it not be able to pick up building gibs for cloak and dinged cloak gain from ammo by another 15%, but nope, Gaben only has a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
A lot of the weapons people b***h about being nerfed were blatant crutches; I guarantee your ass if they ever fix the Iron Shitter's projectile being x8 the size of normal pipes there's going to be Gankeredditors complaining about how Valve "patched the fun out of the game."
Even with it's supposed upsides I still hate using the thing. No bounce means you can't lob grenades around tight corners and the lowered fuse time means the grenades have less travel time too. It's just a shit weapon all round.
Grenade Launcer for your general exploding needs
Loch n Load if you hate sentries and love precision aiming
Loose Cannon if you like fun and Donkey Kong.
Honestly, people that use the iron bomber JUST because of its bugged hitbox are fricking idiots. The hitbox size difference is pretty much insignificant.
it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too.
>+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you frick the engineer's wife.
>-No random critical hits.
>it's practically a straight upgrade in casual too.
>+Has dope ass charge shot that gives minicrits on demand, deals afterburn, and lets you frick the engineer's wife.
>-No random critical hits.
absolutely moronic
It really is. Not having to worry about ammo means more time on the attack. The second charge shot can frick with people and outright kill them sometimes. And its lowered building damaged is 1. Not as bad when the secondary fire can also disable buildings which might as well be destroying it, and 2. If youre the only class capable of destroying a sentry in casual its probably a lost cause anyways.
Please tell me its downside, what keeps it in line with the other weapons, or makes it even worse than the other weapons?
I'm to tried to copy and fast the whole artifact spill, it's late tonight and I've been protesting at VALVE headquarters for a update all night so can you guys just pretend I was talking about the dedicated artifact fanbase please