>game is released. >balance is great and allows a variation of different skills, tactics and strategy

>game is released
>balance is great and allows a variation of different skills, tactics and strategy
>game keeps getting updated and updated adding more and more powercreep and being forced to double down on it
>game is now nothing like it used to be
Why does this always happen?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Z > OG

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Convinced the only people who pretend to like OG either haven't seen it or are looking for some sort of validation by pretending to be oldfags.
      both are shit though, toriyama singlehandedly ruined the entire shonen demographic forever

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Z > OG

        >Yes I am a Hispanic or Americamutt that watched DBZ on Toonami how could you tell?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m 20 years old, I read the entire dragon ball manga translated as well as dbz and I personally enjoyed the original dragon ball much more. Sorry but that’s just the way it is. I could say that you “only like dbz because you grew up watching it on toonami” it’s on the same level as ur argument except it’s probably true lol.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        og was a comedy manga like dr slump, and it was a very well done at that.
        z still made some sense in the saiyan saga and early namek, but later on shit got increasingly retarded and it ultimately lead to the shitshow that is super
        the cell saga remains my favourite though

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >og was a comedy manga like dr slump
          Only in the early parts of the first arc.
          >and it was a very well done at that
          It was literal toilet humor.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Imo the issue with Super is that it doesn't really have any of the stronger aspects of Z. I posted up here

          This. The show is extremely fucking tense in the Saiyan, Freiza and Cell/Android arcs. It's the weaker characters trying desperately to survive and get shit done while much stronger characters are hunting them down. This is when DB was at its peak imo, despite the sloppy writing. Yeah it was a cheap plot device to keep Goku out if the action for majority of these arcs, but it works. If you go through Kai or read the manga as well, you at least aren't being cheated like the OG anime does.

          , and I'm convinced that the supporting cast and the tense situations they had to endure was what made the series work.

          I never made it very far into Super, but it doesn't seem to capture what made DBZ work. The stakes don't really seem present, and the characters are mostly relegated to the Buu arc roles they fell into - boring regular people with jobs and being parents, and no sense of loss for them to deal with.

          I haven't watched/read these arcs, but the Goku Black and Moro arcs at least seem closer to what Z was like. Somebody out of everyone's league, while the protagonists try to prevent doomsday from occuring. However, not having Krillin and young Gohan holding down the fort, getting shit done and barely escaping death for most of these arcs really hurts it though. I'm not entirely convinced the neutered modern Vegeta or the modern retard Goku can carry the series alone. Goku worked well to resolve the arc, and Vegeta was exciting as a wild card character.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like OG, because it's a fun adventure more than a battle shounen.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it's because of zog

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah
      OG has a much better pace. The beginning of OG is some of the best animated stuff ever made, Bulma is gorgeous. And the end tournament is OG is like Yu Yu Hakusho.
      But obviously Z's super sayan stuff is the best, I mean you turn aryan and blast planets, nothing can top that. And Vegeta is the best character in the series.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        The OG is a slightly better constructed show, overall. But a relatively flat "meh" rating across the board.
        Z has A LOT of peaks and valleys, a solid half of the show is straight filler/stretch-for-time. I'd rather watch a highlight reel of Z than most of OG again.

        Sorry, I only talk to mangachads.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Holy fucking based. The adaptation for DBZ is fucking atrociously paced. The manga is much better unless you're an ADD riddled kid who NEEDS colors and flashing lights to be entertained.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your post is contradictory. ADHD kids wouldn’t be able to sit through Z due to how slow paced it is.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gokubro btw

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Convinced the only people who pretend to like OG either haven't seen it or are looking for some sort of validation by pretending to be oldfags.
      both are shit though, toriyama singlehandedly ruined the entire shonen demographic forever

      The OG is a slightly better constructed show, overall. But a relatively flat "meh" rating across the board.
      Z has A LOT of peaks and valleys, a solid half of the show is straight filler/stretch-for-time. I'd rather watch a highlight reel of Z than most of OG again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd rather watch a highlight reel of Z than most of OG again.
        this

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What highlights? Two guys screaming at each other for 20 episodes straight and now and then do a powerup that made the last 20 episodes obsolete?
          There's no stakes or and suspension in Z, because it's all just powerups.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Z is incredibly formulaic. Vegeta is either directly involved as a villain or ally in the plot causing issues for the Z fighters like letting Majin Buu awaken because he wanted to beat Goku's ass. Then it's just a constant back and forth between the Z fighters and villain(s) powering up.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There's no stakes or and suspension in Z
            i don''t know why people come on here and just tell fucking lies all day all the time.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              This. The show is extremely fucking tense in the Saiyan, Freiza and Cell/Android arcs. It's the weaker characters trying desperately to survive and get shit done while much stronger characters are hunting them down. This is when DB was at its peak imo, despite the sloppy writing. Yeah it was a cheap plot device to keep Goku out if the action for majority of these arcs, but it works. If you go through Kai or read the manga as well, you at least aren't being cheated like the OG anime does.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Watch Kai.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm totally opposite. I think the Original Series is more fun to watch in snippets and Z only really works episode at a time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a solid half of the show is straight filler/stretch-for-time
        When I watched kai for the first time (and as someone who hasn't read the manga), I was like, didn't this 300 episodes or something.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Z had better highs but worse lows than OG

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Point.
      Vegeta is the best character in DB
      Vegeta is not in OG dragon ball.

      Therefore:
      DBZ > OG

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The anime adaptation of OG was better paced and better directed, but Z is the more interesting and cool part of the story.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't 100 percent agree with your assessment but I get it. I'm actually embarking on a Dragon Ball Marathon. I'm only on the second part but I'm making good progress. I had a copy of the original aspect ratio and a remaster and while the remaster looks notably better I'll stick with the original so nothing is cropped out.
        >Dragon Ball
        >Dragon Ball Z
        >Dragon Ball GT
        >Dragon Ball Kai
        >Dragon Ball Sper

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't Kai just a recut of Z?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not them but yeah, it is. it basically cuts down on ALL the filler. even the good stuff like snake way that builds up suspense to "will goku make it there in time" and the fun stuff like fake namek

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anything after dbz is actual dog shit and not even worth watching if you like the original and z

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Super is the exact same shit as Z, only less fillers

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And the animation is DOG SHIT, fuck u, gaylord jackass.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, in some areas.

      https://i.imgur.com/ykOXImK.gif

      >game is released
      >balance is great and allows a variation of different skills, tactics and strategy
      >game keeps getting updated and updated adding more and more powercreep and being forced to double down on it
      >game is now nothing like it used to be
      Why does this always happen?

      I don't think the case is usually that balance came out good, it was that no one knew wtf they were doing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OG has better fights than Z. A lot of the fights in Z boil down to two characters locked in punching and kicking with them zipping everywhere. Dragon Ball has actual fights that require the characters to use a certain technique or think outside the box. When a character loses in DB, it's because they weren't skilled enough. When a character loses in DBZ, a lot of the time it's because their arbitrary number wasn't high enough to compete with their opponent's arbitrary number. The only solution to beating a bad guy is to get stronger.

      That said, DBZ has a few fights that are kino as fuck.
      >Goku vs. Frieza
      >Piccolo vs. 17
      >Goku vs. Majin Vegeta

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        the first goku vs vegeta was great and I'm shocked you didn't include it. Vegeta moves like he knows how to fight despite the amped up power levels

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, my memory of the Saiyan Saga is a bit of a haze. The fighting didn't start blending together until around the end of the Cell saga.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah I'd say while by that point there were a lot of those "filler clashes" of just random jumping around with blurs of punches, the series had fights here and there that were good. I mean who hated piccolo slapping cells special beam cannon

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >because they weren't skilled enough
        >looks at Goku vs Piccolo
        >looks at literally all of the 23rd martial arts tournament
        bro?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing will top
        Jackie chun vs goku
        Or all the tien bullshit those original tournaments had.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>Goku vs. Majin Vegeta
        That fight sucked. There’s a reason Goku vs Vegeta in the Saiyan saga is more fondly remembered.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That fight sucked.
          And it's relegated to practically a footnote in the manga.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Videl nakadashi.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tien arc up to the end of Frieza is peak dragon ball.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OG->Z->ignore GT->Ignore 90% of Super
      OG/Z>Super
      OG=/= >/< Z
      >=/= >/< OG

      • 2 months ago
        Chud/tranny/poltard/whatever else you retards keep calling me

        The fuck kind of math equation you spamming here?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          -> (order)
          X>Y (X something is better than Y something)
          Y>X (Y something is better than X something)
          X/Y (X is the same quality as Y)
          =/= (is NOT the same as)
          X=/= >/< Y (X is Not better or worse than Y)

          It's something you learn in grade school.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The end Arcs of OG are pretty good, Z is just powercreep. both follow the pretty boring formula of: big bad introduced, good character loses, good character does something to get stronger, good character wins.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      im convinced anyone obsessed with the original is just trying to be a special snowflake, DB wouldn't be as popular as it is today if it wasn't for Z but these retards don't seem to get that throught their thick skulls

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I liked DBZ more before everybody besides Goku and (occasionally) Vegeta was a completely useless jobber.

      OG was based. I loved the martial arts focus and the sense of adventure it had.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like OG, because it's a fun adventure more than a battle shounen.

        >muh adventure!

        Only 2 out of 5 arcs were adventures.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OG to the end of cell is a solid and complete story. Buu and on is complete fucking drivel that fucks everything up.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're not allowed to not like Buu anymore.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you're allowed to like the buu saga
          it sucks but you're allowed to like it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry, nothing will make me like the pink retard and the 900 pointless plot devices that went nowhere.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are very different but DG went to shit when they literally made it so anyone can resurrect by walking the dragon road or whatever

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Ball actually had fucking fights instead of brief skirmishes between giant Fuck Me beams.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    man the power creep from frieza beginning to end was fucking retarded, like look at gohan's
    starts at 1800
    increases by 7.77x to 14000 when guru unlocks his potential
    increases by 14x to TWO HUNDRED FUCKING THOUSAND after getting his shit kicked in by the ginyu force
    increases 5x to 1,000,000

    and keep in mind that while the namek arc lasted like a month, the ginyu fight and frieza fight were within a day of eachother, so gohan's power increases from 14,000 to 1 million pretty easily

    still, the thing I hate most was goten and trunks being so powerful

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Something something human-saiyan hybrids

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that Jackie Chun casually was able to destroy the moon before all the powerlevel bullshit and that master Roshi can dodge Jirens punches.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      dragon ball from namek onwards is like wrestling. shit happens to look cool. power levels are useless

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Toriyama never gave a fuck about power levels. That was only retarded fans

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Krillin was never a real match for Goku at any point, even this fight is mostly Goku fooling around and holding back

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Since when does goku hold back? I thought he loves to fight and challenge himself and others.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you watch the show? Goku holds back in almost every fight at first. He explains why against his first fight with Tien.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          what did he say his reason was? it's been like a decade since I watched through the series

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He likes to gauge their power or something goofy like that. Eventually if the opponent is strong enough goku will give it his all towards the end of the fight but he never starts like that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I decided to give OG dragonball a go for the first time earlier this year and so far one of my biggest disappointments is how kid Goku is already clowning almost everyone he's up against. I thought there'd be more struggle in it. I can't believe master Roshi was only barely able to beat him

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Buu > Saiyan > Frieza > Cell

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    OG Dragonball had lots of dicky, therefor OG Dragonball is better

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Chi chi
      >Mai
      >Suno
      >The Indian e-boi
      >Paur
      Pure kino

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      also lots of willy

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>game is released
    is great and allows a variation of different skills, tactics and strategy
    You have never played a competitive game. The vanilla version is always the most broken iteration. Everyone just sucks at the start so they don’t optimize.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I still believe that the Saiyan arc is the peak of the franchise
    >hero and villain from the last arc team-up to take on a new threat
    >the hero fucking dies in the process
    >previous villain ends up getting a change of heart due to the influence of the hero’s son
    >the characters you come to know and love almost all end up being helpless against the new villains
    >even though the hero shows up to make quick work of one of the villains, he still isn’t able to fully take down the last villain by himself and it takes a combination of luck and his remaining allies to score a victory after a brutal slugfest
    The Frieza arc also had some good moments, with Vegeta in particular showing off his cunning mind in order to take down most of Frieza’s army (didn’t like how the Cell arc characterized him as a meathead who just willingly lets Cell power-up) and teaming up with Gohan and Krillin just to survive though the ending felt kind of flat.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >didn’t like how the Cell arc characterized him as a meathead who just willingly lets Cell power-up
      Him letting Freeza power up was far stupider.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Saiyan arc will always stand in the top tier simply for remembering Yajorobe exists and having him be integral to the victory.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Saiyan arc
        Never heard of it.
        When is this?
        I know of the Sayajin arc though.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Saiyapeople arc, space warriors arc, you know what I meant.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          vegetable people

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I liked how they showcased Kaioken fucking up Goku so badly that a slap on the back from Yajirobe is enough to make him scream from pain. Saiyan saga honestly had some of the most narratively intelligent uses of power levels.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And then it was never brought up again or matters at all, brilliant writing!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Amazing how powerlevels were introduced solely to be treated as a joke, since the soulless spacemen who relied solely on numbers were getting clowned by magical humans who just "feel" the power with ancient Kung Fu training and shit.
          Then the fans latched onto powerlevels as a useful metric anyway.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I find it funny that people dichotomize OG vs Z when what they should be dichotomizing is everything from the beginning up through namek vs cell and buu sagas

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's not a single bad DB/Z arc. Not even Cell.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        *blocks your path

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going by the manga.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >literally immortal
          >somehow royally fucks that up
          The most retarded DBZ character of all time.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        buu

        I'm going by the manga.

        buu

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Buu was redeemed by the final fight

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not it absolutely was not
            I love buu himself, there's some great fights, I love adult gohan
            but the buu saga was a fucking mess

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cell is arc is bad
        >guys I just watched Terminator 2, here's Future Trunks
        >the main villains are this clown and some old guy
        >ok nvm my old editor said they suck
        >the new villains are robots the old guy made, these robots are easily stronger than super saiyans lol
        >wait my editor doesn't like them either, the new villain is a bugman who grows to become the #MostPowerfulBeingInTheUniverse
        >what's his motivation? well... he's the villain ok! don't worry about it
        >anyway, my back hurts so the manga art is gonna be kinda shitty for a while
        >'member the world martial art tournament?
        >anyway Gohan is now the strongest as I always intended and Krillin gets a robot gf, Goku decides he'd rather be dead than with his wife
        >i don't know what could possibly follow such a lacklustre ending so enjoy the second longest timeskip in the entire series
        The only highlight is Tien getting one last moment to shine

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you forgot the best part, about all the little flying cameras

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Naruto has the best shonen fights

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's when Goku, Bulma and Krillin were fighting soldiers and robotic pirates early in the manga.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Today, I will remind them

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      even goku is confused why he won

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is Goku above Gohan?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Krillin over Vegeta
      Based

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >works and provides for his family
        >spends enough time with his wife and kids to keep them happy
        >was willing to put his future wife above the entire planet
        Makes sense to me. Krillin’s a legitimately great partner.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >kid trunks and goten
      >men lusting over e-boi bad
      >women lusting over shota good
      What a clown world.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to go see it in theatres all by myself.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    member when the fights had martial arts and weren't just teleporting and energy blasts

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Roshi blew up the moon in the first World Martial Arts Tournament

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    22nd Budokai and Popo's training are peak Dragon Ball, no matter the era.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Americans that watched the dubbed show giving any insight of the story
    Lol, just lmao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      Videl nakadashi.

      >Nakadashi
      Why not Semen_inflation as well?
      I want her to feel her insides expand with each pulsation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Respectable, but I'm a simple man.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dr Slump is so bad compared to DB

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dragon Ball had never been super good.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Super wasn't good though.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    J

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Z edgelords and OG posers both kneel to the fanficchad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I love Ranch!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        kino other than they made pan's forehead 10ft tall

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So hotshot, you want to fight majin buu?
    >Fight you? No I want to kill you.

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