Look for the last time, a 1 to 10 rating system IS a metric system, and its not my fault that a 10/10 wiener is exactly ten inches. If your 4/10 ass has a broblem with it then go write your own system 0 to 25, im sure it will be really popular
>A furlong is a measure of distance in imperial units and United States customary units equal to one eighth of a mile, equivalent to 660 feet, 220 yards, 40 rods, 10 chains or approximately 201 metres.
That's exactly the kind of thing that leads to human centric measurements. If football was standardized and popular all over the place 500 years ago we probably would have ballfields as a standard unit of measure. And the unit of measure would be three and a half feet short of the actual standard field size because autistic scientists decided to correct inaccuracies in the very first scientific measurement, but not adjust anything else to fit.
Imperial is the ideal measuring system for medieval europe based settings. >Traditionally, in the Middle Ages, an acre was conceived of as the area of land that could be ploughed by one man using a team of 8 oxen in one day. >it is one Chain by One Furlong >A furlong is the length that one team of 8 oxen can plow without resting >a chain is 1/10th a furlong
>a meter is the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second.
Which of these would you rather have to use if you and everyone you know is likely a subsistence farmer? One is based in the real world in a way to make the math you have to do in real life easy and the other is pure nonsense that's only effective if you own an entire 20th century university. If you're in a science fiction setting go metric. Otherwise Imperial is the only thing that makes sense and you would only think otherwise if you're sheltered from the world around you.
When was the last time that your adventures plowed through land using exactly 8 oxen for exactly 1 day.
Now when was the last time your adventures saw light or used light-based spells?
When was the last time your adventurers had the ability to measure the distance light travels in amounts of time so infinitesimally short that the neurons sending information from the eyes to the brain don't have enough time to fire?
If anything, a Light spell always producing the same amount of light would lead to a unit of measurement based on that. The Light spell can brighten a space that's exactly this wide, so we measure that end to end distance as a single lightmeter. Maybe the entire area that's lit is used as a measurement of volume. Every wizard can replicate this exact amount of light, so this becomes a clean reference for arbitrary measurements.
When was the last time your adventurers had the ability to measure the distance light travels in amounts of time so infinitesimally short that the neurons sending information from the eyes to the brain don't have enough time to fire?
If anything, a Light spell always producing the same amount of light would lead to a unit of measurement based on that. The Light spell can brighten a space that's exactly this wide, so we measure that end to end distance as a single lightmeter. Maybe the entire area that's lit is used as a measurement of volume. Every wizard can replicate this exact amount of light, so this becomes a clean reference for arbitrary measurements.
That hammering on the definition of a meter is missing the full story. The original definition was the distance between the equator and the poles divided by 10 million, to create a system centered around the natural world rather than man. However over time that definition proved to be inaccurate for certain scientific measurements so this new definition, which is pretty much the same distance but more precisely defined, was introduced.
That's what happens when you want an accurate system. Ironically the Imperial system is currently also defined in accurate meters rather than bullshit like >the width of your thumb >the length of your foot >a quarter of a glass of beer >the distance between your nose and thumb
If you really want the authentic medieval experience, that's what you go for. >Yeah, the next village is 6000 steps away. But then again, Johnny the merchant is a manlet...
>The original definition was the distance between the equator and the poles divided by 10 million
Now this is the schooling I remember, this fraction of a light-second shit is news to me, metric is based on measurements of the planet, so my thinking up until now was that every planet could have it's own metric system making it just as useless as imperial once earth ceases to be our only home.
Metric is already subsumed into Imperial, just like all the other systems that made any amount of sense.
The reason feet don't go cleanly into miles is because feet and miles come from two different systems and both of those systems were adopted into Imperial. Same with metric. We have meters, we just don't use them most of the time.
This is something only the americans keep enforcing on the world out of pure buttholery.
But as semi-related to /tg/ knowing imperial would be useful for isekai, as everything is backwards in fantasy.
Otherwise, frick you.
>medieval fantasy >using modern scientific measurements >not obscure niche measurements based around farming
In the imperial vs metric fights people forget that in the past you'd have specific types of measurements based on specific crops in specific seasons in specific regions that used specific types of baskets for harvesting them.
The difference between imperial and metric in their design is that imperial is meant to be easier for figuring out in your head for individual tasks that don't convert easily between each other, but metric is about being easier to figure out on paper and convert easier between different things.
A mile is for walking, yards don't translate to walking distances, yards and feet are for how far apart you plant your potatoes or how long the beams for your house are.
Your medieval fantasy PCs should use a mix of things, but they're not using any standard thing outside of wizard school. Have your wizard using arcane measurements like Celsius and meters, but your barbarian counts on his fingers and measures with his hands.
Anything else is for your players, and relative to what people at your table use.
>It's medieval, so you should use this archaic system instead
Those that mean I should also call an earthquake on Mars a marsquake if the game takes place in Mars? Seriously, that got be one of the stupidest excuse to use that garbage system.
>game doesn't realize that there's a difference between US customary and UK imperial >game doesn't have slightly different units in different portions of the same country >game doesn't have completely different units in different countries
>Implying metric is a consistent measuring system
28mm scale miniatures are supposed to measure precisely 28mm at eye level, they can be shorter if the dude is squatting or whatnot. I have been measuring miniatures and some product lines can be up to 38mm at eye level. You can't fricking tell me metric is so good when measuring sticks have a fricking error margin of 35%. FRICK YOU OP. I bet this wouldn't happen if scales were measured in imperial.
Metric was chosen as the scientific system because parts purchased from different countriess would measure different despite being sold as the same measurement. Turns out that miniatures are the same in metric. Ergo, metric ain't doing shit for them.
You're hopelessly stupid.
men can compare their heights by standing next to one another, ANY community can decide on a common foot by choosing an arbitrary member of the community, or by using the average grown mans foot, similar to how cubits and such were based on the king, noone is moronic enough to think you measure with your OWN ACTUAL foot, dipshit.
> ANY community can decide on a common foot by choosing an arbitrary member of the community
And that’s why you should buy bread in giantshirekeep instead of midgetham. They have bigger feet there, and by law the bagels must be one feet long and cost two silver eights.
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You're still failing to wrap your pea-brain around the concept
if a foot in buttfrickville you come from is 28 inches on our ruler than noone is selling footlong sandwhiches, they sell 6"s and charge you as much as a footlong in the village next over where the lack of inbreeding makes the largest foot a proper 12 inches.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So what you're trying to say is that we should measure sandwiches using inbred villagers' feet because it would be a lot cheaper to buy them than if we used an objective unit of measurement like centimeters?
1 year ago
Anonymous
You can read and re-read until you come of an age where your brain is sufficiently developed to process what you've just been fricking told, you dysgenic rotten crotch fruit.
1 year ago
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Taking statements at face value is a sign of autism anon.
Man, this shit is as moronic as >0 degrees Fahrenheit is really cold and 100 degrees Fahrenheit is really hot, 0 degrees Celsius is really cold and 100 degrees Celsius means you're dead >5 feet is short and 6 feet is tall
Black person, do you think I scratch my head in confusion if someone asks me if 35 degrees Celsius is hot or cold? Do you think I need measuring tape to check if 140cm is tall or short? Do you think that after decades of using metric I can't eyeball distance without thinking about someone's feet all day? Hell even if you want to shoehorn in your fetish there's >It's a meter bro, just imagine three feet >no thanks, I'm not moronic
>How much land can you plow in a day? >Uhh, 4046.8564224 Square Meters >but do you want me to calculate the exact composition of a cube of metal of a certain volume??
Using some moronic ass robot measuring system to pwn the Americans doesn't make you cool its just sad.
I love no one talking about how imperial makes sense for war games since the difference between inches is much more significant than the differences between cm or mm, letting the designers have less to worry about in terms of balance due to distances.
Metric for base and model size, imperial for in game measurements
it's also just easier and faster to measure in inches
I think inches and pounds feel so *intuitive * that most people could probably do it by sight or feel
as a leaf, these are the two imperial measurements I use most often. cups get an honourable mention, but they aren't as intuitive.
Now I am engineer by trade so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I find it easier and more intuitive to myself to say how long something is using metric.
That said, I still think imperial is good for TTGs mostly because metric is all about precision while imperial is good for generalized.
>cups get an honourable mention
Frick cups, it's one thing to have a casually used measurement that's imperial, it's quite another thing to name it as a entirely variable piece of common household crockery.
Also while inche are pretty big, measurement-wise, and thus is fairly easy to eyeball (my job is engineering measurement, there's a ton of legacy shit that means I deal with inches), pounds are fricking random and arbitrary as any other measurement
Cups are a self referencing measure from before we had standardization. This is cause most recipes scale infinitely, so long as you maintain the ratio. It doesn't matter what size of cup you use so long as it's two cups of flower to one cup milk and sugar for example.
Parts is a good one too, but then we get into the awkwardness of fixed size ingredients like eggs, or table and tea spoons. While cups aren't standardized they're at least within a bandwidth of max and min that's workable for a post Victorian mother of 4
>Game uses contemporary system of measures and weights instead of several in-universe exclusive system of measures and weights based on pre-history cultural cornerstones. like Royal's appendages or nearby convenient stones.
>Imperial went beyond the sky before metric
Even ignoring that NASA uses metric to this day, did you forget the soviets got to space first? What system do you think they used?
Does anyone support Metric for a reason besides their inability to use fractions?
Upthread Anon is b***hing about farmers but Metric square heads are using knockoff Imperial every time they cook or do carpentry. >b-b-but there’s a reasonable explanation for why 51mm is a standard size
Yes because it’s bloody 2 inches wide you nonce.
I grew up under metric, and the idea of multiplying and dividing by 10 is much more intuitive to me than whatever the conversion between feet, inches and miles is.
Small stuff? cm and mm. Larger stuff? m. Even larger stuff? Km. Not that complicated to grasp.
But say you've got no phone, no calculator, no ruler, etc.... how do you determine what 1 meter is? how do you teach someone how to measure that accurately? This is why imperial is as it is, an inch was something you could physically reference to in a hurry, and a foot is just a useful distance for everyday use made out of a whole number of those, etc.... you just find whichever finger joint (or whatever) is close to an inch and now you can create a ruler
>when you grow up with
Right... but this requires it to FIRST be measured accurately.
I have just told you to remove yourself from that system and begin it again with no modern tools.
I can do that with my imperial, you cannot with your metric without building upon my imperial (using an inch to make a foot, and three feet to make a yard and that roughing that to a meter)
>remove yourself from that system and begin it again
but why
1 year ago
Anonymous
your spaceship crashed and none of the debris is workable or is intact for you to use a straight-edge or measuring stick, you're separated from earth by light years, thankfully the terraforming process was done by remote decades ahead of time, so you've at least got an environment you can live in.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>in this extremely specific absurd imaginary scenario that favours my preferred system it wins over yours
what a surprise
how about this: you're a quadruple amputee and you need to measure stuff, where are your feet and inches now, smartass
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you're a quadruple amputee you don't need to measure anything.
1 year ago
Anonymous
if my spaceship crashed, spontaneously deciding to start moving around and measuring everything i see would be the last thing on my mind too
1 year ago
Anonymous
Accurately measuring shit you're building is going to be on your mind in the foreseeable future of such a scenario.
1 year ago
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Dude this i /tg/ that's a perfectly reasonable scenario for a sci-fi game that would justifiably be metric, to now need an improvised imperial system.
Do you not role play or are you a tourist?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why not just approximate a meter using their own hight as reference? So long as it divides by 10 he has another standard to work around
1 year ago
Anonymous
Who the hell measures their height in metres? >t. canuck
1 year ago
Anonymous
Canucks
t.184cm Canuck
1 year ago
Anonymous
Your local carpenter built your house in imperial.
Doors being either 30" 34" or 36" wide, your standard ceiling is 8' tall and every single drywall panel was 4'x8'. >t. canuck carpenter
Keep deluding yourself but the only thing metric about canada is the delusions trudeau's father forced on an unwilling population, roadsigns and school policies are something he could control so that's why you see that, Canada is naturally imperial.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, I also install the pipes in your house using imperial 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, 1 inch, 2 inch or 3 inch wide pipes. We use both in this country.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, we do the things that matter in imperial in every single use-case that the government left people free to choose their system.
The only adoption was in instances where government regulation forced the change.
We are imperial, our government is globohomo.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I agree with your distate about the government but by in large our food is measured in metric, weights for products are listed in both metric and imperial. like a lot of shit in the public sector at least uses both.
1 year ago
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Right, through government regulation for labels.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Labels yeah, but people still measure their food in kilos or pounds or whatnot. Unlabeled foods and fruits and veggies. Plus one of the main reasons the industrial sector and whatnot uses imperial at times is cause America exports a shitton of mechanical goods to us. More than all other industries I believe.
1 year ago
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Yeah but it wasn't chosen by the people, it's a result of these regulation decisions, I know when I was growing up scales and speedometers were all dual imperial/metric, but I do believe now both are just metric as a standard, but not because customers kept walking in and complaining that there was imperial on their dials (who doesn't like a multipurpose tool?) it's background government shit, like how hindi was made an official language in canada some years back and noone fricking put it in the papers or asked my vote on the matter.
1 year ago
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>ke how hindi was made an official language in canada some years back and noone fricking put it in the papers or asked my vote on the matter.
Please provide any documentation of this happening. The official languages aren't exactly a small thing to change and it's not something you can do clandestinely. Maybe they're making government documents available in Hindi (which is eminently sensible in many areas, along with many other languages).
1 year ago
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Well now I look like an ass, I can't find it again.
Yes anon, the measurement system with a backbone in unflinching scientific bureaucracy would be useless to a cave man, brilliant observation. However that is irrelevant, let me as you a question, how do you arrive at an inch? Because the modern inch does have a set value, same with the foot or mile, it's is exactly the same as the metric system, powered not by intuition or some human centric natural law you stroke your one inch measurement stick to at night, it is equally powered by simple unflinchingly bureaucratic institution. Do you know what things were like before metric? People used inches and feet, and every country had slightly different sizes for what those inches and feet were, it was chaos. There is no holistic "human centric" measurement that applies to all of us equally, there is no greater logic for this in "oh a foot is 5 sheplins, and 12 sheplins make a bogard, and there's 3 bogards in a millit" because no matter what abstractions you try to draw from a reference point, if the reference isn't standardized it's meaningless. so sure, 200 years ago an unwashed German peasant wouldn't be able to say how much a meter was, but they wouldn't be able to tell you what your yard was either.
But if you must know an abstract equally meaningless way to reach a metter it's about the size of 2 steps for the average man. Go frick yourself
1 year ago
Anonymous
>about the size of two steps for the average man
That's a frickton less accurate than going by average male knuckle bones, lmao.
And you seem to be confusing the germans for the french there.
1 year ago
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>No rebuttal to anything else
Pack it in boys the burger is moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
moronic is agreeing with what I say and then pretending I'm arguing about something else entirely to trick yourself into thinking you're a winner.
>how do you determine what 1 meter is?
My grandfather taught me a trick for that, a meter is roughly the distance between one shoulder and the opposite extended hand. It’s more useful using ropes though, but for everyday stuff I just eyeball it.
Still makes conversion between meters and cm easier, because unlike feets and inches, a cm is still one hundredth of a meter no matter the trick I may use to estimate said meter.
>1/100th
How do you accurately divide that unit into 100 even bits to determine your arbitrary centimeter?
My arbitrary foot is twelve knucklebones, I can easily carve a bit of wood into one of those and use that to notch a stick twelve or 36 times.
I generally don’t eyeball cm, but sure, my index fingernail is one cm wide. Happy?
The problem with imperial has never been the arbitrariness of the initial unity, a meter is not any less arbitrary than a foot or a yard. The problem with imperial is that a foot, an inch and a yard are incompatible with each other, that’s what makes it a headache to use! You don’t need pen and paper to know how many meters are there in 3.78 km, but try to know how many inches in 7.4 feet and the math is already not that obvious.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Right, which means metric is for scientific purposes, but imperial is for everyday use.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You keep saying that, but the rest of the planet does not have issues using metric for every day purposes. You instead keep crashing stuff in space trying to use metric for scientific purposes.
I feel the Ilm, Fulm, Yalm, and Malm are underappreciated takes on fantasy measurement. Allows you to generalize distances with a known similar measurement (imperial) while not actually using said measurement. With the really only important measurement being the Yalm as one stride by a person of average height.
Honestly, I can see both sides of the metric vs. Imperial argument (though I ultimately prefer the latter), but there is one thing that always annoys me: the existence of the hectare. What the frick even is a hectare? Why does it need to exist?
Look for the last time, a 1 to 10 rating system IS a metric system, and its not my fault that a 10/10 wiener is exactly ten inches. If your 4/10 ass has a broblem with it then go write your own system 0 to 25, im sure it will be really popular
>game uses metric instead of imperial
the duality of bones
I appreciate the reversed filename
A deceptive amount of effort was applied here.
>Game converted from one standard to another for a regional release
>Just changed every feet in the book to meters or vice versa
>they made the "conversions" using software without proofreading
>humans are now 5.8m tall
Scifi games use metric, historical games and games set in moronic countries use shit like firkins and pecks.
>A furlong is a measure of distance in imperial units and United States customary units equal to one eighth of a mile, equivalent to 660 feet, 220 yards, 40 rods, 10 chains or approximately 201 metres.
For me it's using sportsball courts for reference.
That's exactly the kind of thing that leads to human centric measurements. If football was standardized and popular all over the place 500 years ago we probably would have ballfields as a standard unit of measure. And the unit of measure would be three and a half feet short of the actual standard field size because autistic scientists decided to correct inaccuracies in the very first scientific measurement, but not adjust anything else to fit.
>using soulless imperial system instead of SOVLFVL units like 𒁕𒈾, योजन, or poronkusema
>poronkusema
Truly the best measurement. Too bad burgers won't be able to comprehend it because they think it's based on a fictional animal.
What about Poods and Funt?
Finns are gross
Imperial is the ideal measuring system for medieval europe based settings.
>Traditionally, in the Middle Ages, an acre was conceived of as the area of land that could be ploughed by one man using a team of 8 oxen in one day.
>it is one Chain by One Furlong
>A furlong is the length that one team of 8 oxen can plow without resting
>a chain is 1/10th a furlong
>a meter is the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second.
Which of these would you rather have to use if you and everyone you know is likely a subsistence farmer? One is based in the real world in a way to make the math you have to do in real life easy and the other is pure nonsense that's only effective if you own an entire 20th century university. If you're in a science fiction setting go metric. Otherwise Imperial is the only thing that makes sense and you would only think otherwise if you're sheltered from the world around you.
I will make sure to reflect this in my upcoming plowing-centered homebrew.
Damn, I'm really looking forward to this. Do you have any parts you can share now?
When was the last time that your adventures plowed through land using exactly 8 oxen for exactly 1 day.
Now when was the last time your adventures saw light or used light-based spells?
When was the last time your adventurers had the ability to measure the distance light travels in amounts of time so infinitesimally short that the neurons sending information from the eyes to the brain don't have enough time to fire?
If anything, a Light spell always producing the same amount of light would lead to a unit of measurement based on that. The Light spell can brighten a space that's exactly this wide, so we measure that end to end distance as a single lightmeter. Maybe the entire area that's lit is used as a measurement of volume. Every wizard can replicate this exact amount of light, so this becomes a clean reference for arbitrary measurements.
This will be kept ate the forefront of future iterations of plowing your mom.
That hammering on the definition of a meter is missing the full story. The original definition was the distance between the equator and the poles divided by 10 million, to create a system centered around the natural world rather than man. However over time that definition proved to be inaccurate for certain scientific measurements so this new definition, which is pretty much the same distance but more precisely defined, was introduced.
That's what happens when you want an accurate system. Ironically the Imperial system is currently also defined in accurate meters rather than bullshit like
>the width of your thumb
>the length of your foot
>a quarter of a glass of beer
>the distance between your nose and thumb
If you really want the authentic medieval experience, that's what you go for.
>Yeah, the next village is 6000 steps away. But then again, Johnny the merchant is a manlet...
>The original definition was the distance between the equator and the poles divided by 10 million
Now this is the schooling I remember, this fraction of a light-second shit is news to me, metric is based on measurements of the planet, so my thinking up until now was that every planet could have it's own metric system making it just as useless as imperial once earth ceases to be our only home.
Metric is already subsumed into Imperial, just like all the other systems that made any amount of sense.
The reason feet don't go cleanly into miles is because feet and miles come from two different systems and both of those systems were adopted into Imperial. Same with metric. We have meters, we just don't use them most of the time.
>metric uses imperial instead of game
This is something only the americans keep enforcing on the world out of pure buttholery.
But as semi-related to /tg/ knowing imperial would be useful for isekai, as everything is backwards in fantasy.
Otherwise, frick you.
>medieval fantasy
>using modern scientific measurements
>not obscure niche measurements based around farming
In the imperial vs metric fights people forget that in the past you'd have specific types of measurements based on specific crops in specific seasons in specific regions that used specific types of baskets for harvesting them.
The difference between imperial and metric in their design is that imperial is meant to be easier for figuring out in your head for individual tasks that don't convert easily between each other, but metric is about being easier to figure out on paper and convert easier between different things.
A mile is for walking, yards don't translate to walking distances, yards and feet are for how far apart you plant your potatoes or how long the beams for your house are.
Your medieval fantasy PCs should use a mix of things, but they're not using any standard thing outside of wizard school. Have your wizard using arcane measurements like Celsius and meters, but your barbarian counts on his fingers and measures with his hands.
Anything else is for your players, and relative to what people at your table use.
>It's medieval, so you should use this archaic system instead
Those that mean I should also call an earthquake on Mars a marsquake if the game takes place in Mars? Seriously, that got be one of the stupidest excuse to use that garbage system.
>Those that mean I should also call an earthquake on Mars a marsquake if the game takes place in Mars?
high level idiocy
>Those that mean I should also call an earthquake on Mars a marsquake if the game takes place in Mars?
That's just objectively what they're called.
>game doesn't realize that there's a difference between US customary and UK imperial
>game doesn't have slightly different units in different portions of the same country
>game doesn't have completely different units in different countries
>Implying metric is a consistent measuring system
28mm scale miniatures are supposed to measure precisely 28mm at eye level, they can be shorter if the dude is squatting or whatnot. I have been measuring miniatures and some product lines can be up to 38mm at eye level. You can't fricking tell me metric is so good when measuring sticks have a fricking error margin of 35%. FRICK YOU OP. I bet this wouldn't happen if scales were measured in imperial.
Are you mentally challenged?
Metric was chosen as the scientific system because parts purchased from different countriess would measure different despite being sold as the same measurement. Turns out that miniatures are the same in metric. Ergo, metric ain't doing shit for them.
>It's 5 feet, bro, just imagine five feet on top of each other.
>it's 2,5 meters, mate, like, you know.. 1 meter... but you add half... you know
Imperial was actually made with human interactions at mind unlike metric.
How big are the feet though?
The foot of any 6 foot tall man is going to be pretty much the same, golden ratios and all
So we're all 6 feet tall if we measure by our own feet?
You're hopelessly stupid.
men can compare their heights by standing next to one another, ANY community can decide on a common foot by choosing an arbitrary member of the community, or by using the average grown mans foot, similar to how cubits and such were based on the king, noone is moronic enough to think you measure with your OWN ACTUAL foot, dipshit.
> ANY community can decide on a common foot by choosing an arbitrary member of the community
And that’s why you should buy bread in giantshirekeep instead of midgetham. They have bigger feet there, and by law the bagels must be one feet long and cost two silver eights.
You're still failing to wrap your pea-brain around the concept
if a foot in buttfrickville you come from is 28 inches on our ruler than noone is selling footlong sandwhiches, they sell 6"s and charge you as much as a footlong in the village next over where the lack of inbreeding makes the largest foot a proper 12 inches.
So what you're trying to say is that we should measure sandwiches using inbred villagers' feet because it would be a lot cheaper to buy them than if we used an objective unit of measurement like centimeters?
You can read and re-read until you come of an age where your brain is sufficiently developed to process what you've just been fricking told, you dysgenic rotten crotch fruit.
Taking statements at face value is a sign of autism anon.
That's not what I asked gay boy. I asked if everyone is six of their own feet tall.
Man, this shit is as moronic as
>0 degrees Fahrenheit is really cold and 100 degrees Fahrenheit is really hot, 0 degrees Celsius is really cold and 100 degrees Celsius means you're dead
>5 feet is short and 6 feet is tall
Black person, do you think I scratch my head in confusion if someone asks me if 35 degrees Celsius is hot or cold? Do you think I need measuring tape to check if 140cm is tall or short? Do you think that after decades of using metric I can't eyeball distance without thinking about someone's feet all day? Hell even if you want to shoehorn in your fetish there's
>It's a meter bro, just imagine three feet
>no thanks, I'm not moronic
>How much land can you plow in a day?
>Uhh, 4046.8564224 Square Meters
>but do you want me to calculate the exact composition of a cube of metal of a certain volume??
Using some moronic ass robot measuring system to pwn the Americans doesn't make you cool its just sad.
You are moronic.
>game distances are only close, near and far
I play such a system.
Just use dozenal, baka
My fave game started using shapes instead.
It's not my fave game anymore.
RIP Killteam.
I love no one talking about how imperial makes sense for war games since the difference between inches is much more significant than the differences between cm or mm, letting the designers have less to worry about in terms of balance due to distances.
Metric for base and model size, imperial for in game measurements
it's also just easier and faster to measure in inches
I think inches and pounds feel so *intuitive * that most people could probably do it by sight or feel
as a leaf, these are the two imperial measurements I use most often. cups get an honourable mention, but they aren't as intuitive.
Now I am engineer by trade so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I find it easier and more intuitive to myself to say how long something is using metric.
That said, I still think imperial is good for TTGs mostly because metric is all about precision while imperial is good for generalized.
>thing I grew up with feels intuitive
No shit. Also your citizenship should be revoked for that garbage.
>cups get an honourable mention
Frick cups, it's one thing to have a casually used measurement that's imperial, it's quite another thing to name it as a entirely variable piece of common household crockery.
Also while inche are pretty big, measurement-wise, and thus is fairly easy to eyeball (my job is engineering measurement, there's a ton of legacy shit that means I deal with inches), pounds are fricking random and arbitrary as any other measurement
Cups are a self referencing measure from before we had standardization. This is cause most recipes scale infinitely, so long as you maintain the ratio. It doesn't matter what size of cup you use so long as it's two cups of flower to one cup milk and sugar for example.
I prefer the term Parts over Cups, myself.
Parts is a good one too, but then we get into the awkwardness of fixed size ingredients like eggs, or table and tea spoons. While cups aren't standardized they're at least within a bandwidth of max and min that's workable for a post Victorian mother of 4
>fixed
>eggs
Lol, not even within a single subspecies in a single coop on a single diet.
>warhammer derivatives use imperial
>BFG uses metric
Nani the frick?
>Game uses contemporary system of measures and weights instead of several in-universe exclusive system of measures and weights based on pre-history cultural cornerstones. like Royal's appendages or nearby convenient stones.
Unimportant non-issue. Homebrew it if you care so fricking much about such an arbitrary thing.
Yes, it's a common trope to use imperial as marker of less advanced countries.
Cope b***h, the flag on the moon is 4 FEET wide.
Imperial went beyond the sky before metric.
NASA used metric to go to the Moon, but nice try, and thank you for the bait
I'm saying they didn't go there without imperial measurements too, you're claim it was a metric mission is absurd.
>Imperial went beyond the sky before metric
Even ignoring that NASA uses metric to this day, did you forget the soviets got to space first? What system do you think they used?
Does anyone support Metric for a reason besides their inability to use fractions?
Upthread Anon is b***hing about farmers but Metric square heads are using knockoff Imperial every time they cook or do carpentry.
>b-b-but there’s a reasonable explanation for why 51mm is a standard size
Yes because it’s bloody 2 inches wide you nonce.
I grew up under metric, and the idea of multiplying and dividing by 10 is much more intuitive to me than whatever the conversion between feet, inches and miles is.
Small stuff? cm and mm. Larger stuff? m. Even larger stuff? Km. Not that complicated to grasp.
On paper that works great, the math is tidy.
But say you've got no phone, no calculator, no ruler, etc.... how do you determine what 1 meter is? how do you teach someone how to measure that accurately? This is why imperial is as it is, an inch was something you could physically reference to in a hurry, and a foot is just a useful distance for everyday use made out of a whole number of those, etc.... you just find whichever finger joint (or whatever) is close to an inch and now you can create a ruler
By eyeballing it dumbass, when you grow up with a system of measurement you are able to view things in that system
>when you grow up with
Right... but this requires it to FIRST be measured accurately.
I have just told you to remove yourself from that system and begin it again with no modern tools.
I can do that with my imperial, you cannot with your metric without building upon my imperial (using an inch to make a foot, and three feet to make a yard and that roughing that to a meter)
>remove yourself from that system and begin it again
but why
your spaceship crashed and none of the debris is workable or is intact for you to use a straight-edge or measuring stick, you're separated from earth by light years, thankfully the terraforming process was done by remote decades ahead of time, so you've at least got an environment you can live in.
>in this extremely specific absurd imaginary scenario that favours my preferred system it wins over yours
what a surprise
how about this: you're a quadruple amputee and you need to measure stuff, where are your feet and inches now, smartass
If you're a quadruple amputee you don't need to measure anything.
if my spaceship crashed, spontaneously deciding to start moving around and measuring everything i see would be the last thing on my mind too
Accurately measuring shit you're building is going to be on your mind in the foreseeable future of such a scenario.
Dude this i /tg/ that's a perfectly reasonable scenario for a sci-fi game that would justifiably be metric, to now need an improvised imperial system.
Do you not role play or are you a tourist?
Why not just approximate a meter using their own hight as reference? So long as it divides by 10 he has another standard to work around
Who the hell measures their height in metres?
>t. canuck
Canucks
t.184cm Canuck
Your local carpenter built your house in imperial.
Doors being either 30" 34" or 36" wide, your standard ceiling is 8' tall and every single drywall panel was 4'x8'.
>t. canuck carpenter
Keep deluding yourself but the only thing metric about canada is the delusions trudeau's father forced on an unwilling population, roadsigns and school policies are something he could control so that's why you see that, Canada is naturally imperial.
Well yeah, I also install the pipes in your house using imperial 1/4 inch, 1/2 inch, 1 inch, 2 inch or 3 inch wide pipes. We use both in this country.
No, we do the things that matter in imperial in every single use-case that the government left people free to choose their system.
The only adoption was in instances where government regulation forced the change.
We are imperial, our government is globohomo.
I agree with your distate about the government but by in large our food is measured in metric, weights for products are listed in both metric and imperial. like a lot of shit in the public sector at least uses both.
Right, through government regulation for labels.
Labels yeah, but people still measure their food in kilos or pounds or whatnot. Unlabeled foods and fruits and veggies. Plus one of the main reasons the industrial sector and whatnot uses imperial at times is cause America exports a shitton of mechanical goods to us. More than all other industries I believe.
Yeah but it wasn't chosen by the people, it's a result of these regulation decisions, I know when I was growing up scales and speedometers were all dual imperial/metric, but I do believe now both are just metric as a standard, but not because customers kept walking in and complaining that there was imperial on their dials (who doesn't like a multipurpose tool?) it's background government shit, like how hindi was made an official language in canada some years back and noone fricking put it in the papers or asked my vote on the matter.
>ke how hindi was made an official language in canada some years back and noone fricking put it in the papers or asked my vote on the matter.
Please provide any documentation of this happening. The official languages aren't exactly a small thing to change and it's not something you can do clandestinely. Maybe they're making government documents available in Hindi (which is eminently sensible in many areas, along with many other languages).
Well now I look like an ass, I can't find it again.
Anywhere else in the world beside US?
Yes anon, the measurement system with a backbone in unflinching scientific bureaucracy would be useless to a cave man, brilliant observation. However that is irrelevant, let me as you a question, how do you arrive at an inch? Because the modern inch does have a set value, same with the foot or mile, it's is exactly the same as the metric system, powered not by intuition or some human centric natural law you stroke your one inch measurement stick to at night, it is equally powered by simple unflinchingly bureaucratic institution. Do you know what things were like before metric? People used inches and feet, and every country had slightly different sizes for what those inches and feet were, it was chaos. There is no holistic "human centric" measurement that applies to all of us equally, there is no greater logic for this in "oh a foot is 5 sheplins, and 12 sheplins make a bogard, and there's 3 bogards in a millit" because no matter what abstractions you try to draw from a reference point, if the reference isn't standardized it's meaningless. so sure, 200 years ago an unwashed German peasant wouldn't be able to say how much a meter was, but they wouldn't be able to tell you what your yard was either.
But if you must know an abstract equally meaningless way to reach a metter it's about the size of 2 steps for the average man. Go frick yourself
>about the size of two steps for the average man
That's a frickton less accurate than going by average male knuckle bones, lmao.
And you seem to be confusing the germans for the french there.
>No rebuttal to anything else
Pack it in boys the burger is moronic
moronic is agreeing with what I say and then pretending I'm arguing about something else entirely to trick yourself into thinking you're a winner.
>how do you determine what 1 meter is?
My grandfather taught me a trick for that, a meter is roughly the distance between one shoulder and the opposite extended hand. It’s more useful using ropes though, but for everyday stuff I just eyeball it.
Still makes conversion between meters and cm easier, because unlike feets and inches, a cm is still one hundredth of a meter no matter the trick I may use to estimate said meter.
>1/100th
How do you accurately divide that unit into 100 even bits to determine your arbitrary centimeter?
My arbitrary foot is twelve knucklebones, I can easily carve a bit of wood into one of those and use that to notch a stick twelve or 36 times.
I generally don’t eyeball cm, but sure, my index fingernail is one cm wide. Happy?
The problem with imperial has never been the arbitrariness of the initial unity, a meter is not any less arbitrary than a foot or a yard. The problem with imperial is that a foot, an inch and a yard are incompatible with each other, that’s what makes it a headache to use! You don’t need pen and paper to know how many meters are there in 3.78 km, but try to know how many inches in 7.4 feet and the math is already not that obvious.
Right, which means metric is for scientific purposes, but imperial is for everyday use.
You keep saying that, but the rest of the planet does not have issues using metric for every day purposes. You instead keep crashing stuff in space trying to use metric for scientific purposes.
Inches are exactly the right size for 20-30mm tabletop wargames.
I agree. I'm not american but I actually use inches and feet for tabletop gaming (and for nothing else)
Metrick is a mistake because base 10 was a mistake. Simple as.
>having 10 digits was a mistake
I measure as much as I can in leagues.
As stated before:
Metric for accuracy, Imperial (at a table top scale) for guesstimation.
I feel the Ilm, Fulm, Yalm, and Malm are underappreciated takes on fantasy measurement. Allows you to generalize distances with a known similar measurement (imperial) while not actually using said measurement. With the really only important measurement being the Yalm as one stride by a person of average height.
>of metric game imperial uses instead
I have always used my feet, thumbs and armslegnth when estimating shit. Has always worked. Was actually taught to do this in school.
Honestly, I can see both sides of the metric vs. Imperial argument (though I ultimately prefer the latter), but there is one thing that always annoys me: the existence of the hectare. What the frick even is a hectare? Why does it need to exist?
The same reason that litres exist and you don't go immediately to cubic metres (or square kilometres): those're fricking huge.