gen 3 is in a limbo, I really only think that it can be grouped with gen 4
but I do believe that natures, abilities, and generally better movepools lead into modern design than early gen design. does anything run normal moves anymore?
I get your point but I feel gen 2 as distant mechanically from gen 1 as 3 is from 2. It had the special stat split, held items, 2 new typings, many battle fixes that stayed through the series (Hyper beam mechanics, crits rework, etc), breeding and friendship... I think Gen 1 to 4 exist in a continuum of generational changes, while 5 was the first to decisively break with the past and 6 onwards consolidated the change
I think each of the first four gens are pretty great to play, honestly. they each have a real sense of game design where you can kind of understand how diversity and limitations were considered
I love the later gens, too, but they really feel like kitchen sink designs. a little bit of restraint is good.
Gen 5 had basically zero changes from Gen 4 mechanically. It's mostly the arrangement of those mechanics that are different, which can lead to some issues occasionally. Compare that to Gen 6 with the major change to type matchups and the thing that would eventually codify the generational gimmicks designed to sell toys and the difference becomes obvious. That's not to say there's no crossover with the design decisions between Gen 5 and 6, but 3 and 4 also significantly contributed to the process that got us there and Gen 7-9's different directorial style sent things in a bit of a different direction anyway. I think honestly the major contributing factor to what is and isn't modern Pokemon is the release schedule more than anything, especially with how it negatively impacted Gen 7-9. It doesn't help that it took until Legends for them to make major changes to a significant number of the Pokemon models, they were using the same base quad models and probably the same source textures from XY to BDSP.
It's not Nugen, but it's not in the same category as gens 1 and 2 either. Gen 6 is when I would argue when nugen starts, but it still feels different from gen 8's and 9's type of nugen.
Actually, all Pokemon games are old gen because they're on a Nintendo system >NINTENDO Game Boy >NINTENDO Game Boy Color >NINTENDO Game Boy Advance >NINTENDO DS >NINTENDO 3DS >NINTENDO Switch
I think the best way is just to have more categories instead of trying to force larger groups with stretches >old
Gen 1 >transitional old
Gen 2 >new
Gen 3
Gen 4 >transitional new
Gen 5 >nu
Gen 6
Gen 7 >transitional nu
Gen 8 (SwSh, BDSP) >post-nu
Gen 8 (LA)
Gen 9
It has nothing to do with quality, which is where a lot of people get stuck. Focusing more on design ideas and dev interviews gives a pretty clear view of what they were thinking during each game, which is a better way of dividing them.
>Incompatible with Gens 1 and 2
It's not a retrogen
i just noticed
gameboy > gameboy advance
ds > 3ds
switch > switcheroo
It's Gameboy Advance > DS > 3DS
Gen 3 and Gen 4 connect.
Gen 4 and Gen 5 connect.
Gen 5 and Gen 6 connect (Until Bank shuts down)
>skipping GBC
gen 3 is in a limbo, I really only think that it can be grouped with gen 4
but I do believe that natures, abilities, and generally better movepools lead into modern design than early gen design. does anything run normal moves anymore?
Fake Out
Protect
Roar
Whirlwind
I get your point but I feel gen 2 as distant mechanically from gen 1 as 3 is from 2. It had the special stat split, held items, 2 new typings, many battle fixes that stayed through the series (Hyper beam mechanics, crits rework, etc), breeding and friendship... I think Gen 1 to 4 exist in a continuum of generational changes, while 5 was the first to decisively break with the past and 6 onwards consolidated the change
I think each of the first four gens are pretty great to play, honestly. they each have a real sense of game design where you can kind of understand how diversity and limitations were considered
I love the later gens, too, but they really feel like kitchen sink designs. a little bit of restraint is good.
Personally I think 5 is about the same mechanically and is a lot better than 3 and 4, but this seems controversial to say around here for some reason.
Gen 5 had basically zero changes from Gen 4 mechanically. It's mostly the arrangement of those mechanics that are different, which can lead to some issues occasionally. Compare that to Gen 6 with the major change to type matchups and the thing that would eventually codify the generational gimmicks designed to sell toys and the difference becomes obvious. That's not to say there's no crossover with the design decisions between Gen 5 and 6, but 3 and 4 also significantly contributed to the process that got us there and Gen 7-9's different directorial style sent things in a bit of a different direction anyway. I think honestly the major contributing factor to what is and isn't modern Pokemon is the release schedule more than anything, especially with how it negatively impacted Gen 7-9. It doesn't help that it took until Legends for them to make major changes to a significant number of the Pokemon models, they were using the same base quad models and probably the same source textures from XY to BDSP.
gen 5 is a gen 4 romhack
Gen 2 is a Gen 1 ROM hack
and Gen 3 sprites are very similar to Gen 2
Gen 2 is a direct sequel to gen 1, so it will always be grouped with it. Gen 3 is when the new generation new region etc. formula became standardized.
IMO you can divide Pokemon into
Retro: Gen 1 + Gen 2 1996-2001
The days of Pokemania
Classic: Gen 3 + 4 2002-2009
The post Pokemania days of the 2000s
Post Classic Gen 5: 2010-2012
The stagnation
Modern: Gen 6 + 7 2013 -2021
The downfall
Post Modern: Gen 8 + 9 2022 - Current
How we got here
t. Born in 1999
holy souly
It's not Nugen, but it's not in the same category as gens 1 and 2 either. Gen 6 is when I would argue when nugen starts, but it still feels different from gen 8's and 9's type of nugen.
Don't know how to tell you this, but DS is old now.
>Gens 1-2
Classic
>Gens 3-5
Golden
>Gens 6+
Modern
Though arguably, Gens 6-7 can be considered Silver Age now.
Lol 8 and 9 are better games than 6 and 7
8 has 0 remediable qualities.
I quit SwSh two hours in, gigantamax is one of the worst and laziest things ever.
And of course dexcut but /vp/ is always contrarian about that.
Only 9
Actually, all Pokemon games are old gen because they're on a Nintendo system
>NINTENDO Game Boy
>NINTENDO Game Boy Color
>NINTENDO Game Boy Advance
>NINTENDO DS
>NINTENDO 3DS
>NINTENDO Switch
>Gen 1
Not Genwar Bait
>Gens 2-7
Genwar Bait
>Gens 8-9
Nu-Genwar Bait
>Classic Era
RBY/GSC
>Advanced Era
RSE/FRLG/DPPt/HGSS
>Flux Era
BW/B2W2/XY/ORAS
>3D Era
SM/USUM/SWSH
>Open Era
SV
GBC Era
DS Lite Era
3D Era
I think the best way is just to have more categories instead of trying to force larger groups with stretches
>old
Gen 1
>transitional old
Gen 2
>new
Gen 3
Gen 4
>transitional new
Gen 5
>nu
Gen 6
Gen 7
>transitional nu
Gen 8 (SwSh, BDSP)
>post-nu
Gen 8 (LA)
Gen 9
It has nothing to do with quality, which is where a lot of people get stuck. Focusing more on design ideas and dev interviews gives a pretty clear view of what they were thinking during each game, which is a better way of dividing them.
hey i have that gba
modded an ips screen into it, fricking love it