>get accused of stealing characters animations from best selling game
>‘w-we didn’t steal it, we bought it fair and square from someone who stole it’
fucking kek
>get accused of stealing characters animations from best selling game
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I am happy to see their shit falling apart after all the shilling they did here. If you devs are reading this, fuck you.
>after all the shilling they did here
I have never heard of this game before some hours ago.
They were making threads the week before release, don't think the game got much beyond mention in unreleased/ea threads before and those were probably also the devs or their discord shilling
i will now buy their game
I only heard of the game after Asmongold made a video reacting to a review of it. I’m fairly certain most posts about the game were just people who saw that video.
>balkan slavmoron
>calling himself "ubermensch"
peak comedy
I got banned from their chudcord after posting that one webm
what game
Bleak faith
this game looks like the sort of thing id enjoy
pity they advertised on Ganker though, i dont buy games from fags that do that
Jank Faith: Forstolen
Bleak Future: Foreclosure
Underrated
>dev calls himself "übermensch" and posts justifications on discord
probably some irrelevant indie pixel shit
Elden Bling
Undertale
Dark souls clone #1488
Dark and Darker
Literal who
>Discord drama
Page 10. Now.
no
what are you going to do about it?
cope seethe and dilate
sneed
>dilate
why are you describing the thing you do discord chud?
I bought the game.
Thanks for your daily shilling, anon.
I still can't get over the fact that they suggested that From buy animations and don't make them all themselves. Utterly lol
???
have you looked at the email ring credits?
I hope the guy who made their trailers finds gainful employment at least, his work almost sold me on this mess.
The same trailer that has a "Activate Windows" in the bottom corner?
This one and the one before that. Art and music were fantastic and I'd suck a cock for this kind of soundtrack to be featured in an actual From game instead of the violent cacophony they usually have.
If their codemonkey was half as competent as the trailer guy, the game wouldn't be a laughing stock on the verge of legal trouble right now.
same, loved their trailers. Really good stuff.
it's not social media drama. It's about devs stealing shit from fromsoftware and feigning ignorance. They are going to get fucked.
Show me
with video games becoming easier to make, marketers will be a booming industry.
>"rotoscoping" 3d animations
that's not how it works though, it's piss easy to make a new rig follow the exact positions/rotations of another rig in motion. even with different bone setups. there's no creative input with this type of thing, it's clear copyright infringement
also
>tracing stuff "becomes your own"
this isn't right to begin with, it's a derivative work at best
copyright is very simple, use creativity when making something, get copyright on work. where is the creativity in tracing something? the pressure you put on the pen when going over someone else's lines? deciding if you trace on the inside or outside? remember, in court you'd have to convince a judge that those things are creative input, and it isn't an innocent until proven guilty thing, you're the one that needs to show stuff.
this feels like it should be a "all publicity is good publicity" moment but for some reason I don't think anyone could give less of a fuck about this game, dev can keep on being a little rat all she wants nobody will talk shit not because they have a point but because it's an amateurishly made meme game which is an achievement considering how many technical mistakes are there in souls games in the first place.
>devs pirate animations
>I pirate the game
Fair is fair
Watching footage makes me think it was fully intentional.
what game did they steal animations from
I shit you not, Elden Ring
No one played that, how did anyone notice?
dark souls 3, elden ring, maybe older titles.
also used ai shit
https://imgur.com/a/OdsmR4Z here is more stuff
There is literally nothing wrong with using AI to generate stuff.
You’ll hang in the Butlerian Jihad
this
anons said so, ai is the future and will make chud game developers obsolete, that's why they're seething so much about ai
can't wait for ai to generate a game from scratch without any kind of human input or prompt free of woke shit that's ruining not only gaming, but the fabric of society as a whole
>any day now, day of the rope
This, I can’t wait until we can produce mass amounts of copy paste soulless drivel
it will still have more soul than your propaganda disguised as a videogame, chud
I hate trannies, I hate diversity hires, and I hate AI. It’s just another form of outsourcing
oh no imagine if a large percentage of media available were copy pasted soulless drivel
what a terrible situation that would be, if it were the case.
>This, I can’t wait until we can produce mass amounts of copy paste soulless drivel
that would be different than right now .. how exactly?
You mean the entire MCU?
>"entertainment will be made by souless computers used by people who know absolutely nothing about game development,but thats okay because it will not be woke and there won't he any trannies!!!"
You have to be 18 to use this board.
only talentless uncreative waste of garbage posts stuff like this
>3D animations are not done frame by frame
Guilty Gear animations were.
Every keyframe was tweaked and bones scaled.
Basednds dumb and counter intuitive, but its how they got all the scaling of bones and bending of straight things (swords etc) to look good with their shader.
additionally, if you wanted to copy a clip of something while anumating your rig, you'd almost definitely have keyframes every frame. the calculation by the software (is it called tweening?) would likely mess it up.
>Basednds
wtf...
I meant "Sounds"
I dont even know how that happened.
>Guilty Gear animations were.
Not all of them. Very basic light attacks with no visual gimmicks were obviously not touched after the initial 3D animation. Even then GG animations weren't really done frame by frame, they first animated the standard 3D movements, then modified certain frames after the fact.
Fair enough.
It was a poor analogy and offtopic anyway since it has zero to do with rotoscoping.
Too bad it can't get copyright protection, so it has no monetary value
there is everything wrong with using it
if you disagree with that, whatever
You should then at least agree with statement that it should look as best as possible for sake of looking good. They look generic, like thousands of other ai generated stuff, boring, weak, not creative, there is literally nothing about them interesting except from few seconds of initial good look.
If you steal, at least do it good, they made absolute horrendous jank stuff and they couldn't even generate some good looking and fitting stuff for game which is hilarious.
>there is everything wrong with using it
Why?
Why?
What about it is wrong? Explain yourselves.
It speaks to a lack of care and investment in the game's quality on the part of the creator
In other words, it's soulless.
How so?
If anything it sounds like it speaks more to a lack of resources. You can't just learn how to draw for a game, that takes years and more than just effort to achieve.
>how could a neural net that just generates images from a database and regularly just reproduces images that already exist be soulless makes no sense
I have a feeling you are just a shill who is pretending to be stupid
>generates images from a database
you don't understand how diffusion models work, do you?
Its very clear you don't. AI image generators use image banks as reference and then recreate something that is very similar to it.
lol, no
VERY simply, they turn an image into noise (dots, retard - not sound) and use that process in reverse on different noise to generate an image.
or are you one of those retards that thinks people running SD locally download billions of images each?
LOL
LMAO even
How does that have anything to do with the care or investment into the game's quality from the part of the creator?
What other options does an average person trying to get into producing games have?
You go work at a soulless piece of shit company after 4 years of education to create actual garbage, you use ai generated art, or you learn to create your own art over several years and hope you have the talent to create something good even with years of effort, or you somehow just have the money on hand to hire an artist or artists to make your first game.
Enlighten me, are there other options?
You didn't tie into your previous post at all, the second one is a completely different argument.
>and regularly just reproduces images that already exist
source?
I have an impossible time recreating an image 1:1 with ai
>You can't just learn how to draw for a game
This mindset is why you will never accomplish anything meaningful
>never accomplish anything meaningful
except for making games
lol
seethe brainlet.
You can't, to say otherwise is a disservice and an underestimation of drawing as a medium.
I'm sure you can learn how to draw passable, or ok art with a few years dedication and knowledge and the same level of function as everyone else but actually making something appealing, with it's own art style, of competitive quality with actual artists in the field is not something you just set out and do in a handful of years.
Even with 5 years of prep, actual dedication, and some level of ability that's sort of a gamble, there's a good chance you could do that as long as you want and never hit the result you're talking about.
I don't think you draw or produce anything of worth at all, because you just don't know what goes into it.
that's not really an argument against AI art as a whole
you're saying current AI looks like shit, but it will only get better each year
that line of thinking is exactly why modern games are slop. modern devs are shit and dont know what theyre doing because ai can hold their hands
>"ai" is a thing for less than a year
>"everything wrong with the world is ai"
anon you're literally reaffirming your worldview via a bot
Pretty sure the government moving to prevent anything using ai to be able to be copyrighted, so more stuff for the public domain sounds great.
yeah, people were already declined copyrights for ai stuff.
Good! If people just stopped at "I just want a easily and convienient source of instant fanart and porn" I would applaud it but people thinking they're not only on the level of actual artists but deserve to get paid and have their shit displayed in galleries are actually mental
A.I this A.I that... HOWEVER can it do THIS?
not yet but one day probably.
unless the government nukes it.
no, but neither can you nor 99% of the dev teams around
Yes.
more style and sovl than anything ive seen since braveheart
you mean since Excalibur
anon, I don't know how to say ...but this looks bad. It may look good to laic but if you know stuff and see for a bit longer it becomes worse and worse.
>anon, I don't know how to say ...but this looks bad. It may look good to laic but if you know stuff and see for a bit longer it becomes worse and worse.
The same is true for the Elden Ring collage, but you aren't so anally retentive for that that you're coughing up feces like you do on ai. Pretending your tastes are so refined and others aren't, hypocritically at that, just makes you look a fool.
I don't know if you are baiting or being clearly retarded. Anyway, hope you get better and educate yourself.
Dunno anon, i like sceneries i'm making with AI tools.
Those are genuinely pretty cool, anon. What kind of filters or prompts did you use? I'm a sucker for the "fantastical nature mixed with building" look.
It's dreamlike diffusion + webui-pixelization. Very easy to create lower poly backgrounds and art with. I'm sure there are better dreamlike models at this point.
There is everything wrong with using AI shit.
Nobody cares about that, chud. Get a real job.
Not only is there nothing wrong with it - it's also damn impressive to generate game-worthy assets, textures or graphics with current state latent diffusion.
you can't copyright ai stuff which makes it not usable assets.
if you are goyslorper, it may be just right for you.
it's over, artslut
soon, the AI will draw your diaper furry porn better than you do, and your shitty 10 bucks a month patreon will be fucking obsolete
>you can't copyright ai stuff
I literally can, just don't be American I guess.
>you can't copyright ai stuff which makes it not usable assets.
You have no idea how game development works
>There is literally nothing wrong with using AI to generate stuff
Based
big fan of the open void to the left
They wanted the Dark Souls audience.
Is the game any fun though?
Massive lol at the THOUSANDS of contracted artists part, yeah buddy I'm sure that back when From made DeS they really could afford to outsource shit left and right
>discord screenshot
>no mention of what game you're even talking about
fucking have a nice day OP
TPBP.
>social media drama
go back gay
You can't copyright a sequence of rig keyframes
>copyright walk animations
>paid royalties forever
>never work again
©©©©
It's included in the game's copyright, you don't copyright a clip of a movie, you copyright the movie.
That's as nonsensical as saying you can't copyright a sequence of notes. Then go listen to the bass line of "I Want A New Drug" and "Ghostbusters", Huey Lewis and the News got millions from that. Or the one random sample De La Soul forgot to get approval for, the only one, and made almost negative money from their first album.
You retards don't know shit about copyright.
You can copyright notes and music, you can't copyright rig keyframes. Imagine my game had a calculator in it and I claimed copyright on the calculator and all its functions and became the owners of the mathematical abilities of a calculator. Or if the calculator depicted a certain equation like 24+85=109 and I claimed copyright on all instances of that equation ever.
That's alright, Serb, it's just money you stole
yes you can. It's intellectual property. It doeesn't matter if you bought it from someone else. They can rotoscope all they want, it will matter not to lawyers.
it doesn't help when they try to do something "new" on their own it ends up being giants exploding in inexplicable white light when you climb ontop of them and stab them - sometimes you just suddenly die as it happens.
>Rotoscoping
>In 3D animation.
>In-game 3D animations that are not pre-rendered.
kek no wonder the game is such a shitshow. Retard doesn't even grasp the basic animation terminology.
>whole defense boils down to whataboutism
Also that bro has no clue what rotocoping is.
>rotocoping
heh
Care to explain in detail why is it incorrect for him to use that term? I'm not even trying to argue here, but isn't rotoscoping just re-drawing something frame by frame from another source? So why wouldn't this apply to drawing a rig frame by frame from another source? It's the same principle.
>So why wouldn't this apply to drawing a rig frame by frame from another source? It's the same principle.
Rotoscoping is filming footage of a real actor or IRL object, then drawing on top of it frame by frame. You don't need to do that with 3D animation at all, video games you don't even pre-render the animations, the game renders the animations in real-time on the screen when you're playing. "Rotoscoping" a 3D animation is not a thing, and will never be a thing because motion capture already does that entire work automatically and with less effort.
This isn't entirely correct. A lot of 3D animators will still take video of themselves as reference for motions while still not using motion capture tech, though that isn't rotoscoping either.
Every animator uses reference reels. But thats not rotoscoping. They're not drawing on top of the reel. Disney has used rotoscoping in the past to make it easier to animate rigid complex objects, example Bambi's deer horns and Cruella De Vil's car were miniatures that were rotoscoped.
Happens to bigger games all the time. Blizzard and Grinding Gear Games got caught using stolen assets because they paid chinks on Fiverr for art.
mass effect had that one photo taken from google and got shit for it.
As for this game they have currently way bigger issues than assets. Mobs slide and have animation issues. Boss is super slow its like watching theater with overly slow "fighting" so the boomers can keep up with their eye sight.
i'm sensing a common denominator that would be easy to avoid
>use art as reference to learn then make works influenced by their favorite style - reference images used without permission
>ai uses art to learn then makes works in a specific style - reference images used without permission
I dont see the issue.
>I can't spot the difference between a person and a machine
AItards are gonna take us straight into the robot apocalypse
>>I can't spot the difference between a person and a machine
When it comes to art?
Correct. Mostly.
Spotting a robot irl though is pretty easy these days, but give it time.
for now, it's rather obvious what is AI generated and what is not.
But seeing how biggest tech companies are investing a lot into AI i doubt this is its final form.
>it's rather obvious what is AI generated and what is not
you'd never know anyway.
also, tell that to the art competitions won by master prompters
>morons think prompting is a skill or artform in of itself
Yes good sir I think the prompting for da bob and vegene ardist is the needful good sir when I put in gift cardt benchod code
>master prompters
I don't seethe or give a shit about AI art but that's the gayest term ever.
just ahead of the curve.
you watch - there will be careers formed around prompting.
influencers, streamers, crypto traders and prompters
the quadfecta of talentless wastes of life that either end up becoming millionaires or NEETS
>master prompters
please tell me you're baiting
you can't be this much of a gay
they are though.
promptung is a skill, no matter how much you tantrum about it.
and like any skill, there are masters.
>ashtcually I put a lot of hard work in typing and proompting
just own up to the fact that you're lazy bastards, there'd be more dignity to it
Trying to communicate with a retarded machine to make it produce your desired product probably does take plenty of practice and effort.
Oh my fucking god this is getting sadder and sadder with each day, this actually better be bait
I'll repeat IF YOU JUST SAID THAT ITS A SOURCE OF CHEAP INSTANT FANART OR PORN FOR YOU EVERYONE WOULD APPLAUD IT BUT NOOOOOOOO
wat?
>master prompters
you just made this shit up right
I did, but holy SHIT I'm using it in the future.
The big issue is that the law does care and you can't go to the US Copyright Office and demand a copyright for the art your AI spat out. It is public domain. So, I can just collect all your AI pictures in a book I titled "moronS AND THE moronS WHO NIG EM" and sell it and you can't do shit.
>for now, it's rather obvious what is AI generated and what is not.
When it comes to "surreal" art and backgrounds, not really. Hell AI generated UI are pretty good.
>obvious what is AI generated
Remember that sonic drawing artfags? Remember the SOVL?
no point in arguing with you retards, you literally just want to feel validated because you write "big booba asian by x artist y artist" inside of sd, and you will contort any reason or common sense in order to achieve this. you're like trannies, in a sense, but instead of men wanting to be women you're driveless and talentless gays wanting to be creative types. I'm surprised nobody has made a AIfag version of the ywnbaw copypasta. You will never be an artist. You have no talent, you have no skill.
>inb4 seething artfag
I can barely draw stick figurines.
You aren't arguing with us though.
You're emotionally screeching about a technology you don't understand, that mirrors the human process (the generation not the prompting) so closely that you shit and piss your pants while contriving reasons that its bad for an algorithm to do it but ok for a human to do it.
>You aren't arguing with us though.
Yes, that's literally the first thing I said in my post. There's no point in arguing with the delusional.
>that mirrors the human process
fucking lol, this is exactly what I'm talking about. you're so desperate to feel validated you will contort any and all common sense just so you can feel at peace with yourself, so you can look in the mirror and say "mmmh this exquisite piece I made by typing (turbomoron), by wlop, by bougereau is real art, I am a real artist, I am not a talentless gay flooding the internet with meaningless garbage"
you're as retarded as you are disingenuous.
I explicitly said I was referring to the generation of the images, but OF COURSE you try to misrepresent that as me saying prompting is the same as drawing.
just another seething moron, scared of a higher bar of entry into art.
>I explicitly said I was referring to the generation of the images
yes and so was I. the types that go "uhm acschualulauglyl prompting is a REAL skill, you chud." are a on a whole other level of delusional, something that makes my head hurt just by thinking about it
>just another seething moron, scared of a higher bar of entry into art.
see this is another fascinating parallel with trannies. both the aitard and the chud operate on a fundamentally delusional level. they need validation from other people, and the moment the other person denies them the validation their brain activates the defensive mechanism of calling the other person a meanie poopoo head. i'm both cases the other person is painted as a ignorant and angry individual, part of a radiply disappearing minority. the thought process is almost 1:1. i already told you I'm not an artfag and my drawing level is "5yo who just picked up a pencil for the first time" yet your brain just couldn't help itself. fascinating stuff
explain why machine learning from others' works is worse than people learning from the same source.
>Inb4 machine copies, humans add own touches to it
how do you know what is your own touch and what is something you saw somewhere else and just forgot its source?
if you have to write out an essay to damage control you already lost
retard devs keep your mouth shut and rake in that dough from desperate fromsoft fags who NEED ansoulslike game to satiate their ego
anyone who expected a 3 man studio making a large ambitious 3D game to not to heavily rely on outsourced assets from places such as the epic marketplace is an idiot
There was a kid who solo'd a racing game that was actually good. Was underage too. Raw autism power
That's not the point, everyone expects that what people don't expect is a tantrum about muh fromsoft MAY have done it too and comparing yourself to AAA studio for whatever reason, they turned what could have been a honest mistake of not knowing the animation was a 1:1 copy from somewhere else into some melodramatic damage control about a game that isn't nearly as good as it wants to be and this is somehow supposed to help them sell their game? How exactly?
>we bought it fair and square from someone who stole it
This is even more illegal. Fag just confessed being part of an criminal organization
people are ripping animations from popular game and selling them on the epic marketplace.
widespread issue that isn’t going away anytime soon.
bleak faith got caught because it was a hyped release but it may be a good thing the game is bombing.
fromsoftware would have went after their ass if the game was a blockbuster indie hit
makes sense
Where does that imply that they bought it from someone that stole them? It just says that they bought them.
The sellers rip the animations straight from the games
>Source: trust me bro, my review is enough evidence
Considering that the seller is "PersiaNinja", aka an Iranian, I don't doubt for a second that it's straight up ripped.
This just reads to me like the devs got ripped off by some third party chink and are paying the price even though they didn't know.
Then they should be shifting the blame to that third party instead of doubling down and claiming that fromsoft is buying animation packs too.
Rotoscoping 3D animations... This motherfucker is abusing the intelligence of his fans.
I wonder though, would it not be considered rotoscopung if you were animating your rig to match a clip of that movement?
I think rotoscoping in 3d animation is possible. Maybe it needs its own term, but the intent is fundamentally the same.
3D animations are not done frame by frame, this idea of rotoscope doesn't make any sense. I think I know what this gay is talking about, he must have seen his artists importing third party assets, models and their animations, and slightly modifying things saying it's OK.
I don't even know what game they're talking about, but from his answer I'm 100% sure they stole animations and just adjusted it to their models with the idea that if they changed it slightly it wouldn't be the same thing as stealing, but without having changed enough for it to actually look different, like that porn game Subverse, for example, which stole some assets from Honey Selectand and modified the topography, but not enough for the shape to be really different, when you put the hands of the Subverse characters together with those of Honey Select, you see that it's the same model.
>polmorons are still screeching about AI and thinking they can somehow "ban" it from creative spheres as if it's just some site you can shut down
Is it them?
Trying to control things they don't like is definitely them, but where'd this narrative come from, what does it have to do with them?
A part of them is genuinely afraid of AI because it threatens to destroy the remnants of their precious "traditionalism" and devalue human culture.
It's amusing how they end up repeating the same rhetoric unironic chud lefties like Sterling are spewing out in the process.
Have you consdered perhaps that maybe AI shit is just bad?
Good for me. Good for any indie dev. Bad for... chud furry artists?
>good for any indie dev
Yes, let's make the indie game scene ever more garbage by letting even retards who know nothing about art or game design get into it
Oh, you mean more indie games? Sounds awesome. Sure, a lot of them are always shit. But a lot of good comes out of it as well.
>dude, games made by people who actually have no idea what they're doing because they use all sorts of crutches and shortcuts? Sounds fucking awesome, sign me up!
Indie game scene is alreadu garbage because of the flood of shitty games and because even the "good" ones show a clear lack of experience, you want that amplified tenfold?
Amplified tenfold, both good and bad? Yes, absolutely. More asset flips for your autistic ass to screech at while i'm playing something like Astlibra again.
More like the bad massively outweighting the bad because every common moron who doesn't know 2 shits about making games gets into it for money and attention and lets AI do the job for him
If he gets money and attention this means he did well. While you're seething and lonely, as always.
Im not talking about getting money and attention, I'm talking about every fucking common moron shitting up the steam store with garbage games at a vastly accelerated rate because every single one will think he's gonna strike gold
Just look at the many many "survivors" games on steam and imagine hundreds more coming out daily
>every fucking common moron shitting up the steam store with garbage games
This happens for years and nobody gives a shit. A good project will find its way to the auditory. There are entire channels dedicated to discovering good low budget games on steam. Unless you have actual brain rot it won't be an issue for you either. Good games are priceless. Asset flip shit will be forgotten immediately.
*the bad massively outweighting the good
>Good for me
Sure, if you like eating shit.
The only good that will come of it is AI generated art for indie porn games.
>mentions eating shit then proceeds to talk about porn games
Sorry anon, unlike you, i have a working head on my shoulders. Asset flips, and low effort shit simply won't reach me. Good indie games will. I can't stop you from swimming in a cesspool of asset flips because it's clearly your conscious choice at this point.
>asset flips
Different person, but I guess I don't understand why this term is thrown around here as if it automatically means something is bad lately.
People do the same with rpgmaker too, or anything that uses a pool of ready made assets.
Why is that?
It doesn't really preclude anything from being good or looking good or having good music if it uses assets that weren't ready made for it, it can certainly be to it's detriment but it isn't universally so.
>Why is that?
Because most asset flips and rpgmaker games are lazy buggy garbage, like the game we're talking about in the thread. You're essentially asking why people generally think fanfiction is badly written. Because most of it is badly written.
>Because most
I think this is the thing I have issue with.
Most people are fucking stupid but I don't go around calling everyone stupid preemptively just because most of them are.
Your mistake.
It got tarnished by low effort "games". On its own RPG maker projects using some stock assets can be good, certainly. But they actually require creative input.
Hell Astlibra i've already mentioned in this thread used free music. And it's fucking amazing.
Yeah, I think it's just an image and association thing, but people here talk about it as if it's just a given or a rule.
asset flips originally meant another thing. it's like when a project failed and the devs made another halfassed game using the assets from the first failed project to get a quick buck
nowadays Gankerirgins literally use it for everything because most people are sub-80 IQ parrots who don't understand the words they use
The term changed because Steam got flooded with preset asset UE garbage that was quickly slapped together. Its similar to games with level editors, except people now try to scam others for money by selling their sloppy sandbox games.
>Sorry anon, unlike you, i have a working head on my shoulders. Asset flips, and low effort shit simply won't reach me.
Oh, so you won't consume anything AI-generated then.
Oh, i will if they are good. And there will be good projects using AI tools. Feel free to seethe about them in the meantime in your little cuckshed, though.
Sure there will, but 99.999% of them will be asset flips.
Pulling a random number out of your ass is not doing your argument any favors. Although this is the only thing you're left with, because your argument doesn't have any legs to stay on to begin with.
Alright, I don't really know what kind of mental gymnastics you have to go through to convince yourself that asset flips are a problem but AI generation, which is literally the same thing, isn't, but you continue to live in your delusional world.
I don't go through mental gymnastics because i don't consider asset flips a problem to begin with. You're given a myriad of tools to filter shit out, an entire segment of internet dedicated to exploring the indie segment and finding out good games, yet you're so fucking lazy and brainless you can't even use them. Well, swim in the rivers of shit while i'm playing good games. And i'm only going to get more good games when indie devs embrace AI tools.
>i don't consider asset flips a problem to begin with.
So why were you using them as a negative example?
Also we come back to the fact that you simply have no standards since you like asset flips and AI generated assets. Thanks for conceding I guess.
I can use something as a negative example without considering it a personal "problem" because, again, there's a billion of tools to filter out the trash.
My standards are pretty good and i enjoy good indie vidya. It brought me some of the best games in recent years. While you've been too busy screeching about shills, or AI art, or whatever you waste your life on.
OK so we agree that most AI generated games will be equivalent to generic asset flips and not worth the time to engage with. Thanks for conceding.
Not him but i really don't care about art if a non artist was able to make a good gameplay with 100% ai art i will be pretty happy.
You're trying to put words in my mouth yet again because your argument doesn't have any legs to stay on. A part of inde game development is always going to be low effort shit. But since AI will allow more people to get into industry, we will see a large torrent of good games too. Leave your "mosts" and "99%" in the garbage bin because those childish farts of logic don't work on actual human beings.
>You're trying to put words in my mouth
No? I said AI shit is going to be 99.9% terrible like asset flips. You agreed.
You're also doing some irrelevant sperging strawman about me not filtering things out that's not relevant too.
If 1 out of 10000 AI games is good, the tool is vindicated. You are just a witless imbecile unable to check if the game you are considering buying is a mere asset flip or it is actually good. It is good that you NPCs sheep get flooded with garbage you are too stupid to filter.
>If 1 out of 10000 AI games is good, the tool is vindicated
Sure, but it certainly wouldn't be revolutionary or worth sperging out about. And that game won't be good enough to justify not just filtering out AI generated games from your searches, since that one filter would get rid of the most bad games possible (unless the site you're using also has some filters for asset flips) besides maybe the soulslike tag.
Why?
How so?
It's like looking at plastic surgery. Just because they have a mouth and nose doesn't mean it looks right. It's not bad to enjoy AI, but if you can't admit that it looks off you are coping.
Well, if nothing else, 4chan loves to fight on the losing side against time quite a lot.
Doesn't feel like that concretely links it or anything, but it's an interesting take.
I think a dead giveaway is the amount of "pajeet" memes thrown around the AI threads. As if pajeets are not the first ones to lose their jobs over this tech.
this is so fucking funny
two retards typing like le wine sipping intellectuals about strawmen that exist only in their heads
wonderful, precisely what I expect to see in this shithole
>haha people smarter than me are such losers
I kneel
This is your level. You don't have any say in this matter.
>surrounded by goyslop
>You happen to share a view with someone you supposedly oppose? Checkmate! You're just like them!
Is there a fucking name for this? Because it's disingenuous bullshit. There's a fucking reason that a LARGE portion of people dislike AI mingling in the arts formerly reserved for the expression of the human soul. Die.
>Is there a fucking name for this?
guilt by association, a common logical fallacy usually employed by the mentally challenged
>a LARGE portion of people dislike AI mingling in the arts formerly reserved for the expression of the human soul
Yeah. There's a reason. The reason is called being a misinformed ape. Which is why we still have people screeching for gobernment to "shut it down" as if it's as simple as shutting down one website.
Your ilk should've learned something from the history of photography. But it's not like you're capable of studying any aspects of history.
bro can you stop with the larp? I'm begging to worry that you're actually not baiting
>mmmh read a book chud
literally just the same exact thought process as trannies
>Is there a fucking name for this? Because it's disingenuous bullshit. There's a fucking reason that a LARGE portion of people dislike AI mingling in the arts formerly reserved for the expression of the human soul. Die.
A large portion of artists and other creative people are incapable of creating worthwhile art. Those are the people who whine they deserve to be forced out if they're not truly exceptional.
your AI bugmen arent any better
pic related was part of some ai art dev team, and this gay wants everyone to live in pods and eat bugs, the perfect WEF useful idiot.
NTA but I always saw the anti AI thing as a leftypol hallmark. as I understood it, they always seemed to be the ones that stand to lose the most from the existence of the tech, as it destroys the market for entry level degerate coomer art.
now that you bring up the anti-trad nature of AI art, that makes sense too.
is anti-AI art truly a bridge between the two autistic groups? how odd.
you have american brainrot if you think the emergence of AI is an issue for left and right politics
Emergence of AI is not an "issue", it's an evolution you will have to accept because it's not going anywhere.
The fact it managed to unite two piles of autistic human waste is still funny though.
>quick, deploy the 4chan boogeyman narrative
Just sad
There's a bunch of various groups that hate AI, the largest group is definitely on twitter. There's boomer christians that hate it too, calling it demonic. There's even a lot of people working in tech who are obsessed with "safety" to the point of being authoritarian (they'd like to ban open source AI for example).
Liking AI is absolutely a minority position. It gets shit on relentlessly on reddit too. If you want to go against the grain and be counter culture (which is Ganker in a nutshell) then support AI.
>dude, its totally 4chan, twitter, boomer christians and reddit! They're all against us and if you want to be a based rebel you GOTTA support AI!!!
Nice narrative you got going there
ok but I still stand by what I said, it's literally true. I've seen threads on 4chan that shit on AI and I've seen a lot of leftists hate it too.
>If you want to go against the grain and be counter culture (which is Ganker in a nutshell) then support AI.
>like something because others hate it
peak slave morality
I'm merely pointing out how Ganker behaves most of the time. This place acts as counter culture. Which is true.
>If you want to go against the grain and be counter culture (which is Ganker in a nutshell) then support AI.
I don't care about going for or against the grain, I just think all of this fighting over it is stupid and almost entirely motivated by money or dementia.
Maybe AI morons shouldn't be spitting out bullshit like "master prompters" too
It's not /pol gay. It's the artfags. But keep perpetuating le /pol boogeyman meme
you realize that 4chan is quite happy to see artists, writers and other "intellectual" jobs shoved into a cesspit right? Are you stupid or something, 4chan loves AI.
I've been in quite a few AI threads on Ganker. One of the most common scares is the "muh death of human creativity", "death of human spirit" and other assorted bullshit only an actual polmoron will use. Some are actually afraid of Skynet because they are tech illiterate.
I agree that an actual 4chanfag should be happy about this tech. But we have actual flat earthers on this site.
It is you furry trannies the ones crying over AI though.
I'm neither a polmoron nor a Jimmy Sterling style leftie. Both of your groups deserve to rot in hell you dug up with your own hands.
u a fag
>only 4chanmorons care about human creativity
grim, really
What game?
I called this a serbian money laundering scam the second shill threads were popping up.
Glad to see I was not wrong.
Serbroaches are truly pathetic, and Kosovo is an indipendent state btw.
Kill Serbs. Behead Serbs. Roundhouse kick a Serb into the concrete. Slam dunk a Serb baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Serbs. Defecate in a Serb food. Launch Serbs into the sun. Stir fry Serbs in a wok. Toss Serbs into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Serb gas tank. Judo throw Serbs into a wood chipper. Twist Serbs heads off. Report Serbs to the IRS. Karate chop Serbs in half. Curb stomp pregnant Serbs. Trap Serbs in quicksand. Crush Serbs in the trash compactor. Liquefy Serbs in a vat of acid. Eat Serbs. Dissect Serbs. Exterminate Serbs in the gas chamber. Stomp Serbs skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Serbs in the oven. Lobotomize Serbs. Mandatory abortions for Serbs. Grind Serbs fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Serbs in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Serbs with a ray gun. Kick old Serbs down the stairs. Feed Serbs to alligators. Slice Serbs with a katana.
>half the post is explaining what rotoscoping is
>literally explains it wrong
so how is stealing animations any different from how AI art steals art styles?
Because actual humans did it so they must suffer 🙂
AI art is transformative. Those models don't have any of the works they are trained on, they are literally creating new images from latent noise.
They stole animation directly from another game. Not "got inspired", didn't use any AI trained on human or video game movements, just took the assets directly.
how do you steal an art style?
I really don't care. Good on them for stealing shit, I don't give a fuck. I wasn't gonna pay for it anyway, so I don't blame them.
have they addressed activate windows yet lmao
they censored it on the trailer from their own yt channel
lmao, i wonder how many cocks they'll have to suck to get IGN to censor theirs.
>already have to deal with low effort shit games
>now gonna have to deal with it again with low effort AI meme games
i mean i can accept this explanation, and it does shed a lot of light on how much of a hack from software is with repackaging the same fucking game 5 times in a row before bothering to do anything else.
>susbcribed to some bleak faith threads
>100+ notification
lmao
the devs should think of putting a shotgun in their mouths when they can't pay their debt.
Who the fuck rotoscopes 3D animation when mocap suits exist?
>random serb trash in discord
They should go back to exporting child sex slaves rather than trying to make games - it's just not their specialty.
Gamers are such mindless, tribal sheep who love to circlejerk and talk down to people to feel better about themselves (safely behind anonymity, I might add). I'm gonna buy this game now just to BTFO all you mentally ill, insufferable, whiny gays.
Hello mr dev
I bought the game on launch cuz the trailers looked cool but I refunded after one hours. Even if you ignore the stolen animation and the lazy ai art (which I couldn't, frankly) the game just isn't fun to play in the current stage. Needs another year in the oven
I also did the same as
and refunded in about 50 minutes. 30 of which were spent un-fucking the gamepad and 20 more spent realizing that the game is not fun.
Shit game for brainlets
Solved after first playtest
I am going to bump this thread just because dickless imbeciles sperging about muh tracing/copyright/corporate cock lodged up their tonsils
I haven't played the game and I probably won't but you trannies are due for a 100%.
One game is becoming a cult classic, and the other one is Elden Ring.
Seethe & dilate, fags. Seeeeeeethhhheeeeee :DDDD
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>3 based Uberserbs destroy the weeabo nipshit chud commune, and the butthurt reaches critical levels
KEK
https://imgur.com/cCNCm4k
So they copied that one animation while everything else is original?
Or did they rip more stuff?
there's a few examples kicking around in the thread right now, I reckon more will come as the autists play through and look for them
it's 90% free or stolen assets arranged in an interesting way
if this is illegal how is genshin allowed? it's the exact game as Botw
>Rotoscoping
What the fuck is he talking about lmao
he obviously means you cant just copy 3d animations like people think, you have to redo it from zero every if you copy something 1 to 1, you still have to do it frame by frame from 10 angles
>If I trace something that makes it mine
Actual lmao
AI art in a nutshell
>Muh rotoscoped anime!
There's been one show that used rotoscoping in known times and it looked like shit because of it. It was Aku no Hana.
>I can pirate vidya
>but devs can't pirate assets
hypcritical much?
certainly, certainly, if they can pirate then so can I
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6334346
ctrl c, ctrl v
>NOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S STEALING THAT'S THEFT OY VEEEEEEEY
There is a huge difference between using stock assets anyone can use and having assets made exclusively for you to use.
moron Faith dev if you are reading this (I know you are because you're shilling your shit game everywhere) you are a fucking creatively bankrupt hack. Your indieslop is not worth pirating.
>there's a difference, ok? it's... it's just different, ok? it's different because... because it just is, ok?
>this kills the /ic/ fag
Bearded Prince did nothing wrong. The kingdom's laws of succession are clear. Only one who has mastered the art of rock, paper, crossblades can rule the realm
THE KINGDOM IS ON THE BRINK OF STARVATION
MILLIONS WILL DIE
>ctrl-f .webm
>1 result
Who the fuck bought this trash to compare stolen animations?
News on console ports or nah?
Hes right though.
People have no idea on the scale of outsourcing in AAA games, www.artstation.com/keos-masons, there are thousands of companies like this that do assets for AAA games.
As for animation, there is no way to "rotoscope" or easy way to copy animations from a rig to rig, you can at most "eyeball" it and create something simillar from sratch.
>wahhh copyright infringement
What the fuck happened to this place?
reddit tumor that appeared around 2008 became metastatic after 2016
Kind of happens when that site grows to be about 50,000 times the size of this one. It is larger than Twitter.
Wow i didn't know Fromsoftware buy their animations from Epic Marketplace!
They probably get their soundtracks from fiverr
I would've just said. "I bought the animations, didnt know they were plagiarized, so whoops sorry guys"
Instead of a wall of text defending my fuck up
>Thread got autosaged
Guess a thread on game development made too much space for twitter drama thread